Shawna Nelson Became Obsessed with a Cop

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  • Опубликовано: 10 дек 2024

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  • @bridgetonowhere
    @bridgetonowhere 2 года назад +557

    how incredibly sad... the poor woman loses her parents and gets no support from her husband only to have him cheat on her with the woman who will murder her. rest in peace heather. you deserved better.

    • @dizzymindy6024
      @dizzymindy6024 Год назад +11

      Yes, it’s so sad. Poor Heather. The trauma of losing one parent is huge, and losing both so close together, I couldn’t imagine the pain.

    • @hillarybillary21
      @hillarybillary21 Год назад +2

      After 1983 she was free to leave. 1983 was when we were afforded full equal rights in the USA,, same as men. I feel bad for those who cannot help themselves, not women with no self esteem who are afraid of discomfort.

    • @overtherenowaitthere
      @overtherenowaitthere Год назад +17

      @@hillarybillary21 so you stopped feeling bad for women after 1983 we got it. you can leave now

    • @jonnyseablue6911
      @jonnyseablue6911 Год назад +2

      Not what she put her husband and kids through selfishly but again typical useless woman not taking accountability

    • @darma99
      @darma99 9 месяцев назад +1

      I hope her daughter is ok

  • @laurenecarter246
    @laurenecarter246 2 года назад +399

    So the poor womans parents both died
    She was grief stricken and depressed
    *HER* husband was having an affair
    But she was the one bullied and harassed and eventually murdered being absolutely innocent and having no knowledge of what was going on ... Poor Heather.

  • @edgaralanfrog
    @edgaralanfrog 2 года назад +2683

    The nerve of that woman to say to Heather, right before murdering her, “You ruined my life.” GIRL YOU WERE THE ONE SCREWING HER HUSBAND! You had a BABY with HER HUSBAND! YOU TATTOOED HIS NAME ON YOUR BODY! Aside from the text messages, how is she even gonna try and say she didn’t do all of it and murder Heather? That woman is a monster. And the added audacity to lie and say she had a sexual relationship with her best friend because she wouldn’t lie for her. Disgusting people; poor Heather and her daughter Victoria, may they both rest together.

    • @rastamuff1
      @rastamuff1 2 года назад +277

      The husband ruined both of their lives

    • @e.b.4379
      @e.b.4379 2 года назад +79

      She's a subhuman of the lowest category. I hope she gets her just deserts in prison but my heart always goes out to the children of the people involved. The nincompoop of a husband and his wench were better suited for each other. Heather seemed too beautiful and decent to be with someone like that!

    • @franceshaypenny8481
      @franceshaypenny8481 2 года назад +146

      @@rastamuff1 He lost everything because of his selfishness; I hope he's miserable forever.

    • @TheRhNegative
      @TheRhNegative 2 года назад +8

      Looovve your handle LOL

    • @absinthemindedJ
      @absinthemindedJ 2 года назад +178

      @charles gee his wife was so beautiful too. Like wtf?!...Shawna looks like a trucker.

  • @StuffBudDuz
    @StuffBudDuz 9 месяцев назад +31

    The cop who took the gun from the perpetrator's car was an accessory after the fact, a charge that would send an ordinary citizen to prison for at least five years. His charges get dropped and he gets to retire with a full pension. There is more than one tier of "justice" in our country.

    • @CharliStar
      @CharliStar 2 месяца назад

      That’s because the justice system is corrupt AF

  • @The_Darrell
    @The_Darrell 2 года назад +288

    Ignacio and Shawna deserved one another. It's unfortunate that Heather had those two losers in her life.

  • @virginiaviola5097
    @virginiaviola5097 2 года назад +371

    Moral of the story: guys, if you are ever tempted to do the boogaloo with someone other than your wife, either end the marriage first, or otherwise keep big boy in his cage. Cheating never ends well for anybody, most of all it seems for those who least deserve the consequences. RIP Heather and Victoria, I hope that they are reunited and blissfully happy wherever they are.

  • @janedoe5048
    @janedoe5048 2 года назад +100

    And for anyone who is curious, Victoria died in a car accident in which she was driving and she lost control of the car, slamming into a tree. She was 17 yrs old.

    • @katiekane5247
      @katiekane5247 2 года назад +6

      That sucks

    • @lovelight6973
      @lovelight6973 2 года назад +9

      Damn. Poor baby. My heart goes out to the family. 🙏🏻

    • @marycooleman3584
      @marycooleman3584 2 года назад +6

      How sad.. Horrible story :-/

    • @cmont4064
      @cmont4064 2 года назад +15

      Now that is truly sad, the only silver lining is that her mom was waiting for her, when Victoria passed. Thank you for sharing that info, I followed this case , was unaware of Victoria's passing. With Love from Washington State 💚🌲

    • @markzelinski4434
      @markzelinski4434 2 года назад

      Omg that family has the worst luck… My heart goes out! Wow! No words

  • @riggs20
    @riggs20 2 года назад +62

    I don’t know why but the thing that struck me as saddest is Victoria. Her mom was killed by her dad’s mistress, and then she ends up dying in a car crash. What a short and tumultuous life she had.

  • @ZombieSazza
    @ZombieSazza 2 года назад +2020

    It actually angers me that Michelle knew Shauna was going to murder Heather, and chose to do nothing. I really hate cases like this where someone clearly knows someone is going to die, and they choose to say nothing, they choose not to save that persons life, they choose silence, and that is just utterly despicable.

    • @VioletJoy
      @VioletJoy 2 года назад +129

      Sure shows what kind of person she is. They were two peas in a pod. I can't imagine knowing someone is going to be murdered and doing nothing to stop it.

    • @somerandommom5030
      @somerandommom5030 2 года назад +172

      Michelle joined Shawna in taunting and harassing Heather on multiple occasions before the murder. She helped Shawna plan the murder. Michelle was a mean, nasty person who deserved far more jail time than she got.

    • @pembrokelove
      @pembrokelove 2 года назад +57

      I can’t help but believe that Shawna really was in a relationship with Michelle. I know she lied about so much, but I can’t even imagine having that kind of loyalty to someone who was just your friend.

    • @fugginrambo
      @fugginrambo 2 года назад +9

      But she's kinda pretty

    • @tetherball34
      @tetherball34 2 года назад +41

      @FugginRambo If there is anything to learn is that looks can be deceiving. The reason why so many get away with a lot.

  • @jannyjanjan2487
    @jannyjanjan2487 2 года назад +4

    "The worlds smallest violin played along" World's biggest smile and chuckle from me! Thankyou Mike!

  • @mads597
    @mads597 2 года назад +159

    “Yes! It’s that stupid bitch!” ugh, the mix of anger and despair in that realization

    • @Breakbeat.
      @Breakbeat. 2 года назад +14

      As if they wouldn't be able to tell from her "running" away. I'm sure that was a sight to see.

  • @favnumber10999
    @favnumber10999 2 года назад +219

    People in the comments are saying "Ignacio will feel guilt" & "Ignacio will be haunted for the rest of his life." I doubt it.
    He strikes me as a narcissist. He doesn't hold himself responsible AT ALL. He's probably more flattered than anything & I'm sure he moved on almost immediately & never looked back. Sad but true..

    • @mushmouf1400
      @mushmouf1400 Год назад +30

      Talking about that tattoo like he wasn't geeked she got it

    • @derp8575
      @derp8575 11 месяцев назад

      His answer sounded forced. @@mushmouf1400

    • @Matilda-y
      @Matilda-y 5 месяцев назад

      True

    • @sed6657
      @sed6657 3 месяца назад +1

      Yep. Once a scumbag always a scumbag. He probably writes her in jail lol

    • @mattjack3983
      @mattjack3983 2 месяца назад +1

      There's everyone's favorite buzzword again! NARCISSIST! Yes. Everyone is a narcissist. Even tho most of you who use the word don't actually know what one is.

  • @tejanagenie
    @tejanagenie 2 года назад +283

    Mike, thank you for telling this story--which I'd recommended. I bank at the CU of CO and knew Heather; she was smart, kind, and competent in her job. She kept her daughter Victoria's drawings on her office wall. I was stunned when I learned of her murder. May Heather and Victoria rest In peace.

    • @benobrien4680
      @benobrien4680 2 года назад +3

      It's well sad her daughter passed away too.

    • @PrimateProductions
      @PrimateProductions 2 года назад +1

      How old was the daughter when she was killed in the car accident?

    • @jenniferw5095
      @jenniferw5095 2 года назад +2

      May they rest in peace. This is really sad. I hope the husband is taking great care of Ignacio's son. Thank you for sharing this with us and trusting Mike to tell it.

    • @fabiwilliams4644
      @fabiwilliams4644 2 года назад +1

      I hope she won't be forgotten. Such a tragic waste. She deserved so much better

  • @vanessamiller9202
    @vanessamiller9202 2 года назад +493

    Mike, you have without a doubt made your mark on crime channels on RUclips. If somebody asks in threads what the best crime channels are, you’re ALWAYS mentioned! Keep em coming!

    • @stewartmeetball3417
      @stewartmeetball3417 2 года назад +2

      This and dead rabbit radio are my two personal favourites here on RUclips

    • @shaneecuevas7990
      @shaneecuevas7990 2 года назад +4

      By far the best there is!

    • @impossivel2006
      @impossivel2006 2 года назад +13

      The bar is set way up. Mike put it there.

    • @mamapoch1915
      @mamapoch1915 2 года назад +8

      I've been watching his channel pretty much from the beginning and have always thought this.

    • @michaelflanagan1185
      @michaelflanagan1185 2 года назад +8

      Best crime channel in the game bruuuhhh!

  • @jeanined9060
    @jeanined9060 2 года назад +41

    Lol! “Why the underwear?” That comment made me truly laugh a lot! You are so cute! Please keep ‘‘em coming, Mike! You’re the best?

    • @Thankgot
      @Thankgot 2 года назад

      Same here socks n underwear 🤢

  • @ddlovesjc1
    @ddlovesjc1 2 года назад +43

    The husband is also to blame because he could have prevented all of this had he not been such a coward and been honest. We have no idea what he was telling Shawna when no one was around. While Shawna is to blame for her cold and menacing act, some of the blame (a lot) lies with Ignacio. Poor Heather, she deserved a life much better than this! My heart breaks for her!!

  • @DhavalShukla
    @DhavalShukla 2 года назад +1260

    Heather went through so much. Lost her dad, her mom, lost her husband to a vicious and vile woman, as she lost interest in life, lost her faith in mankind finding her husband had a love child with another woman. Then lost her life. She was lucky enough not to bear witness her own daughter's death I guess. I can only imagine how her years must have been. And how much her own husband failed her.
    I have no words for that crazy stupid woman who killed Heather. How can someone do this to someone.

    • @davidhutchinson5233
      @davidhutchinson5233 2 года назад +58

      It make you realize that we all need to care about each other more and cherish each and every day.

    • @morganpettipas9198
      @morganpettipas9198 2 года назад +7

      And how do you know she "lost interest in life, lost her faith in man kind"

    • @suzimonkey345
      @suzimonkey345 2 года назад +61

      @@morganpettipas9198 …because she was described that way! She was (understandably) incredibly depressed & called, “a shadow of herself”. Her reactions to so much incredible trauma was ‘normal’ & to be predicted.

    • @whitedragoness23
      @whitedragoness23 2 года назад +24

      @@suzimonkey345 sadly she might of been depressed if she didn’t piece together what her husband was doing…the other woman was practically in her face.
      Maybe and I’m assuming here, she was too depressed to really see what was going on. She did get back with her husband and described as just not herself

    • @jenerin905
      @jenerin905 2 года назад +23

      Depression makes you a shadow of yourself, but being gaslighted also does. You can't pinpoint the reason you feel reality is so off. I'm sure she thought she could trust her husband, but he probably used her mental illness against her to keep his lies going.

  • @user-ps2mi9ze5v
    @user-ps2mi9ze5v 2 года назад +388

    Shawna, as a police dispatcher, had to have some knowledge of how a murder investigation works. How incredibly stupid to think she could pull this off. Rest in peace Heather 🙏

    • @Novakane78
      @Novakane78 2 года назад +22

      I just retired from almost 16 yrs of law enforcement dispatching and no...we have not many clues inside the investigation process...we work in windowless radio facilities and the officer/deputies only show up once in a blue moon because they keep us as separate as they possibly can..some dispatchers (mainly women) hang out with the officers/deputies but talking about work is the last thing they do...
      Also Shawna being married to a cop doesn't mean anything either as they are reluctant to talk about work when they get home...they are mostly coming home to get drunk or bang or both then work another job for extra pay..and sometimes when they're on their beat they have several side clicks so they really don't talk about work

    • @scriminamp
      @scriminamp 2 года назад +12

      narcissist always make exceptions for themselves

    • @peterwelsh1932
      @peterwelsh1932 2 года назад +6

      Again, I wish there was a live onscreen toxicology report for all characters onscreen. Tweedle D and Tweedle double D must have been coked out of their minds right? Is this cocaine? Alcohol and speed? Xanax, Ritalin and ambien? I LOVE THIS CHANNEL. but, having lived with cops (sooooooo many times, idk why) almost all cases involve drugs. So all these stories and channels like this: they all leave out some very important things that we could all, that so many people need to learn from

    • @jlw839
      @jlw839 2 года назад +3

      @@Novakane78 that might be your center but my center is complete opposite. Disapatchers and officers are pretty close, obviously some don't socialize much but majority do. And we definitely don't have a windowless radio room. We have one wall of just windows with a balcony that we go out on regularly.

    • @Novakane78
      @Novakane78 2 года назад +2

      @@jlw839 I've worked at 2 different centers and visited 7 other agencies...they all fit the criteria I put forth...I was playing the odds lol

  • @hayden823
    @hayden823 2 года назад +310

    I know about this case years ago. It still makes me mad to this day hearing about this again. The gall of the mistress to abuse Heather and even flaunted the affair FFS. I also blame the douche bag husband of Heather. He and his mistress deserved each other and if anyone had to be murdered, you can choose from any of the two. Heather was innocent in all of this and she was murdered in such a horrible and senseless way.

    • @moni2624
      @moni2624 2 года назад +26

      Seriously tho but even after Shauna's Husband was going to look the other way and raise your love child as his own and you go do this SMH😠

    • @virginiaviola5097
      @virginiaviola5097 2 года назад +55

      @@moni2624 and it seems like she was going to try and pin the murder on him..driving his truck, wearing his clothes, planting evidence by throwing his shoes out of the window, using his gun, altering her voice to sound like a man...I guess that she thought having him locked up for murder and Heather dead it would clear the way for her to get back together with Ig.

    • @chrise.321
      @chrise.321 2 года назад +18

      @@virginiaviola5097 100% that was her plan!!

    • @dmreddragon6
      @dmreddragon6 2 года назад +15

      @@virginiaviola5097 - And STILL her husband arrived where she was stopped, knew what she did, seen how she was dressed, and still helped her get the gun out of her possession.

    • @anti-ethniccleansing465
      @anti-ethniccleansing465 2 года назад

      The murder was senseless and I’m sure very scary for Heather in that brief moment, but as far as murders go, I wouldn’t call this one terribly “horrible” like the OP said. Mike told us that Heather died right away - before she even hit the pavement, and there wasn’t any torture involved etc..
      If I was going to be murdered, I would definitely take this way to go out (with simply being shot a couple of times and dying immediately) over some of the extremely fucked up and absolutely horrendous murders we have seen on this channel in the past. At least there was no drawn out suffering in Heather’s death.
      RIP to her though.

  • @abeauuuu
    @abeauuuu 2 года назад +215

    The audacity she has to say to heather “you ruined my life” when SHE was the one who ruined heather’s by having an affair with her husband. Nobody asked Shawna to cheat on her own husband Lmao, she is the absolute farthest thing from a victim in this situation- even without accounting for the murder.

    • @teresayates8274
      @teresayates8274 Год назад +11

      I know right? Victim blaming is page one of the narcissists handbook.

    • @KanyeBreast4
      @KanyeBreast4 Год назад +10

      Not only did she ruin Heather's life, but she also TOOK Heather's life!

    • @Nylak-Otter
      @Nylak-Otter Год назад +4

      Because the husband had nothing to do with it, of course.

    • @jesselynds5411
      @jesselynds5411 11 месяцев назад +1

      that's narcissism and psychopathy 101, it's always the other party's fault

    • @pjnix5618
      @pjnix5618 9 месяцев назад +1

      Don’t forget that nasty husband in all of this mess ! But yes! Shawna- hands down gross and waaaaaay over confident individual.

  • @lisasim
    @lisasim 2 года назад +206

    In her interview, the "surprised" Shawna, sounds so much like Stephanie Lazarus. A true sociopath!
    Ignacio was so "shocked" that she tattooed his name on her body. He wasn't as shocked when he impregnated her and lied to her and to his poor wife.
    BUT WHY THE UNDERWEAR? Mike, hilarious as always. Love you! Take care of yourself!

    • @cmont4064
      @cmont4064 2 года назад +11

      And sadly his wife , then eventually his beautiful daughter, were both taken from him. When will ppl learn to break up with , separate themselves before getting one on the side , it hurts not just the partner , the family , the checkbook, it really hurts when your extra piece on the side is a physco!

    • @CovidConQuitTheCensorship
      @CovidConQuitTheCensorship 2 года назад +1

      Ooh ol' Steph takes a bit of beating 😬

    • @ziwi402
      @ziwi402 2 года назад +8

      I thought the exact same thing! The feigned attempt at spluttering over her words, it was so reminiscent of the Stephanie Lazarus interrogation. Chilling!

    • @jodielouise3209
      @jodielouise3209 2 года назад +4

      I thought that!!

    • @dorpth
      @dorpth 2 года назад +3

      You start to notice that ALL guilty liars sound the same.
      Lazarus was just the most extreme example.

  • @strummercash5601
    @strummercash5601 2 года назад +36

    Happy Tuesday, That Chapter Family!
    Praying we all make it to Friday with Mike.

  • @Nostalgic_1
    @Nostalgic_1 2 года назад +224

    I looked up Victoria and she is literally identical looking to her mother, Heather.
    May they both rest in peace.
    ♥️

    • @trailrunner925
      @trailrunner925 2 года назад +54

      Both were extremely beautiful. And the stupid husband threw it all away for a piece of ugly.

    • @madamefeast4824
      @madamefeast4824 2 года назад +1

      @@trailrunner925 Shawna is disgusting and her personality is worse. Yeah, I don't understand that one. I think some people just cheat regardless of who it's with

  • @WelfareChrist
    @WelfareChrist 2 года назад +71

    There's something about watching Shawna just flatly lie in court over and over that really gets under my skin. Not only is she twisted enough to do what she did, but she clearly believes she was in the right. Also imagine being her husband and ruining your life and career to help your wife murder another woman because she married the man your wife is in love with.

    • @AuntCathyPooh
      @AuntCathyPooh 2 года назад +3

      Reminds me of another recent court case involving a narcissistic compulsive liar... although that situation didn't end in murder I have no doubt it very well could have because she approached the subject with her freeloading friends 😔

  • @alexvicol4043
    @alexvicol4043 2 года назад +163

    Absolutly loving your style of story telling ! I'm romanian and I live close to the Ukraine border and this video came as a "normal thing" that I needed after seeing just tears and dispear all around me. Thank you!

    • @Tsiri09
      @Tsiri09 2 года назад +26

      You and those around you are in my prayers. Please stay safe as you can.

    • @saintlynnie4037
      @saintlynnie4037 2 года назад +12

      Praying for your country

    • @videoettaceo8900
      @videoettaceo8900 2 года назад +9

      💗🇺🇦❤️🇺🇲

    • @accuratealloys
      @accuratealloys 2 года назад +6

      Hang in there Alex.

    • @amandawilliams2266
      @amandawilliams2266 2 года назад +7

      Love and prayers for you and your country 🙏💕🇺🇸

  • @bonniea.1941
    @bonniea.1941 2 года назад +186

    Wow. She’s incredibly manipulative. Asking the cop to hold her hand and then hugging him really inappropriately. Yikes! 😱

    • @MDCxThePG
      @MDCxThePG 2 года назад +29

      I can't believe he actually acquiesced to her hug as well.

    • @whitedragoness23
      @whitedragoness23 2 года назад +17

      @@MDCxThePG to fool her to make her feel like she was in a safe zone. Everyone knew she was the killer

    • @reginamushi6582
      @reginamushi6582 2 года назад +26

      Whilst wearing Ken's underwear!

    • @bobshenix
      @bobshenix 2 года назад

      @@MDCxThePG My thoughts exactly.... he should never have even humored her by allowing that hug. Pathetic.

    • @karentalbot5798
      @karentalbot5798 2 года назад

      Bonnie Beatrice I so agree. Eeeeew!

  • @acaciablossom558
    @acaciablossom558 2 года назад +847

    It’s terrifying that people like Shauna just roam around being covered for by inaction until they ya know, murder someone

    • @KaladinVegapunk
      @KaladinVegapunk 2 года назад +32

      Honestly, but even if there's 400 red flags the cops can't intervene until they actually murder someone haha.
      I remember all the complaints and warnings they got here in town about Elliot Rodgers, luckily I was a few blocks away that night.
      Honestly though, kneeling down to be executed like that
      I'd rather maybe get shot somewhere else while I tried disarming them instead of just accepting a headshot :/

    • @VioletJoy
      @VioletJoy 2 года назад +7

      @@KaladinVegapunk Yeah, that would be a truly horrifying way to go.

    • @ZombieSazza
      @ZombieSazza 2 года назад +27

      Genuinely angers me that Michelle knew and chose to say nothing, she knew Michelle was 100% going to murder Heather, and chose to only say something _after_ an innocent woman lost her life.

    • @KaladinVegapunk
      @KaladinVegapunk 2 года назад +16

      Also wow how crazy, a cop plants or removed evidence? How unexpected! Hahaha
      Usually they're only helping out other cops or screwing over the poor

    • @NTSTAT
      @NTSTAT 2 года назад +14

      This case is even more sad because apparently after heather died, the dad moved to Florida with their daughter, Victoria Gaurrus. She died in a car accident before her 18th birthday.
      Maybe had he of kept his penis in his pants, not moved to Florida, his wife and his daughter would be here today. So frustrating but he probably lives with this every single day!
      Edit: hadn’t made it to the end and mike mentioned this bit!

  • @KristyKins
    @KristyKins 2 года назад +8

    5:03 about the losses she endured tugged at at my heart on a personal level as I can relate 100% to her emotional state though she had 1 person in her life (I'm currently grieving with NO support); her husband, & that instead of been supportive, he "resented" her feelings of grieving. I'm sorry for her losses & her passing. 🕯

  • @kamimartorella2990
    @kamimartorella2990 2 года назад +241

    I love this channel! I worked with Shawna Nelson as a dispatcher for Weld County and I was even a friend of hers outside of work for awhile (I had NO CLUE she was batshit crazy until this happened) I was questioned by detectives back in 2006 after this murder occurred and thankfully never had to testify as I hadn’t spoken to Shawna for over a year prior to this horrendous act. That Chapter retold this incident SPOT ON, all the way down to Shawna’s husband Ken saying verbatim that he and Shawna could get back together and he would raise Ig’s baby as his own. This happened so many years ago and it’s still hard for me to wrap my head around. Heather was innocent In this whole thing and did nothing but love her husband, she never deserved any of this!

    • @Dchong625
      @Dchong625 2 года назад +6

      Hey, while you were working with her did she ever seem off? Like did she ever say something’s that would throw you off?

    • @cocksure8430
      @cocksure8430 2 года назад +1

      @@Dchong625 Duh....

    • @kelliannbyrnes9335
      @kelliannbyrnes9335 2 года назад +15

      @@Dchong625 she did say she didn’t know she was a whack job when she hung out with her before this happened

    • @stinkybritches8174
      @stinkybritches8174 2 года назад +2

      No way! I worked with Shawna as a dispatcher as well!

    • @allthetime9406
      @allthetime9406 2 года назад

      my butt stinks

  • @aaronmcguire61
    @aaronmcguire61 2 года назад +399

    Watching Mikes character from 2-3 years ago compared to today is fantastic. Amazing to be able to watch someone evolve and create such brilliant content.
    Keep them coming Mike!

    • @VioletJoy
      @VioletJoy 2 года назад +24

      Right? He's hardly recognizable in the older videos. I wonder if he originally thought it would be disrespectful to be witty when telling murder stories. His humor makes these stories SO much better.

    • @cali.girllivinnnevada8
      @cali.girllivinnnevada8 2 года назад +11

      @@VioletJoy I think it’s probably because the Internet can be so sensitive…. You never really know how people are gonna perceive you, so I would imagine it’s terrifying.

    • @chrisw6164
      @chrisw6164 2 года назад +12

      He leveled up.

    • @sukai121
      @sukai121 2 года назад +7

      I know right!!! Such an amazing journey

    • @belle9438
      @belle9438 2 года назад +8

      I agree, I've re watched a lot of his content. He certainly has come into his own. He's more of a friend or family now to his viewers which is great. He's one of very few who has connected with his viewers. He has his own possy. Someone needs to come up with a name.

  • @amandacox4211
    @amandacox4211 2 года назад +223

    Have been married to a law enforcement officer for 36ys (now retired) and I'm a retired corrections officer and I can tell you sheriff's and police department's are quite the hotbed for affairs!! Someone really should do a detailed behavioural study on the why's, I'm sure it would be fascinating!!

    • @aliensun6144
      @aliensun6144 2 года назад +61

      With all due respect, the stereotype goes that usually those that decide to become police officers are people that feel the need to exert power over others, which they might’ve not had before. Or were bullies before themselves. Obviously not all, but I’d ignorantly say that it could very well be this insecurity that leads to the “need” to have an affair. Those who cheat are insecure, selfish, and need some shallow satisfaction. I do not wish to think this way about the majority of our police force, but if you’re even saying cheating runs rampant in these fields, I’d assume it’s a fault in basic human decency and morality.

    • @SHEEPLESUCK
      @SHEEPLESUCK 2 года назад +6

      @@aliensun6144 it's the old "Do what thou wilt" attitude

    • @local_authority
      @local_authority 2 года назад +16

      Because: rules for you and rules for me

    • @dmreddragon6
      @dmreddragon6 2 года назад +10

      Doing something you shouldn't be doing is a rush. Work affairs are also convenient, and can in itself be a bond.

    • @vdigiulio550
      @vdigiulio550 2 года назад +12

      It's the same with teachers and school personnel - same again with politics - there are many professions that seem to fuel inter-relationships. It's often because the people involved naturally understand the pressure of the job role/profession, the hours, the ins and outs, the intrigue, all the admin/paperwork and the pay issues, all of the professional development and travel opportunities etc. It's because all this is understood "without being said" and therefore you automatically have a sense of kinship and trust. This can then progress quickly beyond friendship into some kind of sexual relationship. Often it is honest - and people get married to those in the same or similar profession. Sometimes it is affairs and other types of inappropriate relationships (e.g. positions of power and trust).

  • @audreymuzingo933
    @audreymuzingo933 2 года назад +193

    This reminds me of the Stephanie Lazarus case, the female cop who killed her ex-lover's wife. Particularly the interview, with both women somehow having far worse acting skills than people with NO law enforcement background. Both of them thought they could be convincing with the whole "Oh I understand, you have to do your job" thing, to their coworker interviewing them, but from there just utterly FAILED at acting confused and shocked that anyone could think they did it. I don't think Lazarus tried the 'poor helpless little woman' thing with sobbing like this chick (she was more of a tomboy so she went more 'amused at the ridiculousness of all this' route that a dude would go). But both times, I'm watching and thinking, even with zero background information I would know this person is lying.

    • @cocksure8430
      @cocksure8430 2 года назад

      Yeah, but only Lazaurus pulled a face like a chimpanzee....it's true, watch the interview.😂

    • @itsmealanaa
      @itsmealanaa 2 года назад +8

      @@SeanTR420 it does matter what you know

    • @saintlynnie4037
      @saintlynnie4037 2 года назад +16

      Oh yeah, that interview was crazy to say the least. Acting like she can't remember pertinent details while recalling the most mundane bull crap with impeccable accuracy

    • @audreymuzingo933
      @audreymuzingo933 2 года назад +6

      @@itsmealanaa Of course it matters. If an interview makes it clear to police that a suspect did it, that wouldn't be enough to convict them but it would be enough to stop wasting resources on other leads and focus it all on getting evidence on this one. Mind you I"m talking only if they KNOW from the interview, and sure they have gotten it wrong before.

    • @Somegirl811
      @Somegirl811 2 года назад +6

      Yeah, it matters what you know. Police can bluff to try to get a confession, but if they guess wrong they ruin all their credibility and probably prompt the witness to get an attorney if they sense they're being tricked or lied to.

  • @Autumn_Forest_
    @Autumn_Forest_ 2 года назад +267

    Wow, if you look up Victoria Shea Garraus' obituary, she looked EXACTLY like her late mother! Oh, and she was buried with her mother. So very sad how they both died. Her dad must feel guilty for bringing that nutcase into their lives.

    • @lovelight6973
      @lovelight6973 2 года назад +22

      She did. A spitting image. Which I imagine that can't been easy. Probably like losing their daughter Heather all over again.

    • @AisforAlibi1
      @AisforAlibi1 2 года назад +67

      He never showed any remorse AT ALL. He came off wanting to look like he was just as much a victim as Heather.

    • @Autumn_Forest_
      @Autumn_Forest_ 2 года назад +16

      @@lovelight6973 Wow, I hadn't even thought of that! Poor grandparents/aunts/uncles!

    • @Autumn_Forest_
      @Autumn_Forest_ 2 года назад +8

      @@AisforAlibi1 I agree. Totally. You're probably right.

    • @fishbowlheretic
      @fishbowlheretic 2 года назад +17

      @@lovelight6973 both her father and her mother had passed before she was murdered.

  • @NissanSkyline901
    @NissanSkyline901 2 года назад +601

    So, is nobody going to bring up the fact that Ken removed the murder weapon from the car in order to try and protect Shawna, and not only did any charges brought against him get thrown out, but he actually got to retire from the police force?

    • @lynnhathorn
      @lynnhathorn 2 года назад +118

      That made me so angry that all charges were dropped for him, and got to retire, like what the hell??

    • @anti-ethniccleansing465
      @anti-ethniccleansing465 2 года назад +8

      _AND_ he dumbly did that when she was wearing all of his clothes to try to frame him for the murder, so that he would get arrested and she would get all of his assets and be free to get back together with Ignacio. What a pathetic simp!

    • @kwikky22
      @kwikky22 2 года назад +3

      Cops are above the law.

    • @emperornero2902
      @emperornero2902 2 года назад +1

      Idk if he was a dirty cop, but certainly an idiotic one. He's doing all that risky business for her while she's in the middle actively trying to frame him. This must be some kind of record.. the cuck heard 'round the world

    • @MrBrokentowels
      @MrBrokentowels 2 года назад +24

      Thinking the exact same thing!

  • @kendrakeehne9718
    @kendrakeehne9718 2 года назад +64

    That totally reminded me of Stephanie Lazarus, a Los Angeles police officer, who killed her ex boyfriend’s wife Sherri Rasmussen! Right down to the interrogation, where they both acted like they had no clue.

  • @lisahinton9682
    @lisahinton9682 2 года назад +9

    Wow, Ken removing the murder weapon from Shauna's car, then being allowed to retire from the PD. Just wow. Should've been brought up on charges and been imprisoned. Cops are held to a higher standard of conduct, and he goes and does this. Just wow.

  • @jarell89
    @jarell89 2 года назад +176

    Damn loses her parents back to back to disease then gets killed, leaves behind a child who then dies in an accident?! Geez. Prayers is all I can say.

    • @VioletJoy
      @VioletJoy 2 года назад +8

      Awful.

    • @xmiunax4385
      @xmiunax4385 2 года назад +15

      So sad that entire line just gone... and the crazy people who killed and betrayed her are still walking about

    • @kingayy9267
      @kingayy9267 2 года назад +25

      The only good thing is that, if one believes in an afterlife, they can believe that Heather, her daughter, and her parents have all been reunited on the other side.

    • @bigernie5711
      @bigernie5711 2 года назад +3

      i was looking for this comment. So awful

    • @beno1129
      @beno1129 2 года назад +3

      @@kingayy9267 How about when Ig dies? Does his daughter take time out to go reunite with him as well? Does heaven have shared custody arrangements? So many questions :)

  • @Tadama91
    @Tadama91 2 года назад +143

    I tend to breeze through the week without paying attention to what day it is. Then Mike uploads and I'm pleasantly surprised, like right now "Oh yea, it's TUESDAY!"
    Thank you for the great content!!!

    • @kimonojones8372
      @kimonojones8372 2 года назад +5

      SAME 😂 I was coming to make this exact comment. Mike is my calendar now

    • @menufrog
      @menufrog 2 года назад +3

      Nah, it's Wednesday 😉

    • @nbrangan
      @nbrangan 2 года назад

      I can't relate. I'm hanging out for Wednesday and Sat

    • @cuchuloholic
      @cuchuloholic 2 года назад

      Then after it’s over it’s just Tuesday again?

    • @glow1815
      @glow1815 2 года назад

      Same here lol I used to not care what day it is. Nope not anymore lol

  • @danielbrown1724
    @danielbrown1724 2 года назад +129

    You can seen the kindness and caring in Heather’s eyes, she didn’t deserve any of this 😔

    • @rosemarykennedy5430
      @rosemarykennedy5430 2 года назад +10

      She was beautiful. Such a shame that she was brought down by that rat and his psycho squeeze.

  • @PowMusic
    @PowMusic 2 года назад +64

    the hand hold and the hug was nauseating and creepy....I would have never. That should be against policy

    • @bethoneybee
      @bethoneybee 2 года назад +4

      Very cringe & strange. That would've been a big "no thanks" for me!

    • @goblingoochgobbler5759
      @goblingoochgobbler5759 2 года назад +9

      @@bethoneybee i’m sure he only agreed cause they were colleagues for years, but still endlessly creepy given the context

    • @Stripedbottom
      @Stripedbottom 2 года назад +4

      Wouldn't that be something that the lawyers could have a field day with? Preferential treatment, compromisin of impartiality, et cetera?

    • @Ghiwine
      @Ghiwine 2 года назад +4

      The detective was playing her game.

    • @didi012578
      @didi012578 2 года назад +1

      @@Stripedbottom Well she got the book thrown at her so I guess it worked out.

  • @lilbitsleepy2574
    @lilbitsleepy2574 2 года назад +314

    When the detective said witnesses placed her at the scene we got her most honest response with “How?!”
    She couldn’t believe they could see through her costume but it was more that everyone saw through her and her insane, stupid jealousy.

    • @ShannonDavis322
      @ShannonDavis322 2 года назад +7

      @babydoll
      I was thinking the same thing. I also was wondering what she was whispering at the detective when she was hugging him.

    • @dimestorediamond9840
      @dimestorediamond9840 2 года назад +17

      But how?! The killer was wearing men’s undies 🤣

    • @krisdiane
      @krisdiane 2 года назад +7

      @@dimestorediamond9840 😂😂😂
      Why his underwear?!

    • @chappy24
      @chappy24 2 года назад +2

      Lol she's was a 911 dispatcher how could she be so stupid

    • @troy4904
      @troy4904 2 года назад +2

      I noticed the “How!!??” immediately too

  • @PassTheMarmalade1957
    @PassTheMarmalade1957 2 года назад +183

    "I didn't murder my lover's wife, even though her husband was the father of my baby. You see, I was actually having TWO affairs, and I totally wanted to end them both and get back with my husband (when I have another man's name tattooed on my ankle.) My second lover is just angry that I spurned her, and the real killer is probably the husband who I was getting back with and who had no reason to hate Heather."
    Behold, a defense so boldly stupid it's almost brilliant.

    • @SiFi5478
      @SiFi5478 2 года назад +8

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @user-jy3zl2vp4b
      @user-jy3zl2vp4b 2 года назад +15

      Such an awesome recap! i have seen so many summaries....but yours is the best!

    • @angelapyle7301
      @angelapyle7301 2 года назад +3

      Right ! 😂😂😂

    • @elrichvolshebnik
      @elrichvolshebnik 2 года назад +6

      Did she try to frame her husband by wearing his clothes?

    • @vdigiulio550
      @vdigiulio550 2 года назад +7

      "...and the real killer is probably the husband who I was getting back with *or my other spurned lover aka my best friend aka my co-defendant*."

  • @losnfjslefn8857
    @losnfjslefn8857 2 года назад +777

    Poor Heather was grieving and depressed and her husband did nothing to help her, apparently. I get it, after Heather started to distance herself due to her depression, I'm sure it wasn't exactly easy on him either, but there's no excuse for cheating. If he didn't want to be with her anymore, then he should have just left her. It's sad that Heather ultimately ended up dying because her husband couldn't keep it in his pants.
    Instead of being a strong foundation for her in her time of need, he ultimately only thought of himself and his desires.

    • @anti-ethniccleansing465
      @anti-ethniccleansing465 2 года назад +15

      We don’t know whether or not Ignacio had been there for Heather and was a good husband for a long time after she began suffering her losses/developed mental illness. We don’t know how long Heather had been withdrawn for.
      Perhaps Ignacio was just really lonely/starved for emotional & physical affection because Heather was inconsolable and not getting better over time - and perhaps he didn’t tell her/leave her when he wanted to have that affair because he feared that she was so depressed/unstable that she might be suicidal if she were to suffer yet another heartbreak/big loss. She might have already been suicidal for all we know (it’s quite common amongst chronically depressed people).
      Point is, we shouldn’t make assumptions.

    • @jamierupert7563
      @jamierupert7563 2 года назад +91

      @@anti-ethniccleansing465 point is, for better or worse. As the OP said, he shoulda kept it in his pants, regardless.

    • @anti-ethniccleansing465
      @anti-ethniccleansing465 2 года назад +4

      @@jamierupert7563
      It’s so easy to judge people and situations you don’t know, isn’t it?
      I wonder how you would feel if people scrutinized your life and poor decisions (even though in this case, it might not have been a poor decision, because he deserved to live too, and if she was so detached from him for many years and was also suicidal, then him cheating might have been the only solution at the time to still continue living his life where it isn’t empty af for him too - people need love and affection in their lives - but doing it in a way where he didn’t risk his wife ending her life…. I bet the bank that there wasn’t a thought in his mind that Shawna would have been capable of doing what she did when he decided to cheat with her).
      I will say though that it was absolutely idiotic for him to not use protection with her… And he not only did it at least once the first time she got pregnant, but at least a second time as well.
      That was just absolutely _DUMB,_ and I cannot think of one reasonable excuse for that - it was just him just being in the heat of the moment and wanting it to feel as good as possible. No way around that!
      Anyways, I’m sure everything you do is totally moral and inexcusable no matter the circumstances, right? I am an atheist, but there is something to the Biblical line of “let he who is sinless cast the first stone…” (or something really close to that; you get the idea).
      No matter what he did, he was not responsible for the murder of his wife, and people like you who are insinuating that he was are fucked up. Shit in life is messy, and not always as black-and-white as people like you seem to believe. Nobody - _NOBODY_ - is perfect. And there is not always an easy solution to a huge problem.
      If she was suicidal, then this might have been the only solution for him to still continue living his life without getting extremely depressed himself, but still protecting her with compassion for keeping it a secret and not leaving her until she became emotionally stable enough to handle him leaving her.
      I have been cheated on before when I was in such a depressed despondent state for a long time that I can understand why they cheated on me and kept it a secret. It’s hard to blame when I was very checked out of participating in the relationship for so long because of my emotional state.
      It was a small mercy that they didn’t pour salt in the wound at that time by leaving me then (because I would _NOT_ have been able to handle that then), but they deserved to live too, and have a connection with someone else when I was utterly incapable of providing that for them for much too long.

    • @chellefell1331
      @chellefell1331 2 года назад +75

      @@anti-ethniccleansing465 he said at the beginning he was having affairs behind her back for years before this one

    • @user_angelmum
      @user_angelmum 2 года назад +11

      You hear of this happening a lot especially if people have lost a child .. the husband often doesn't know how to handle the wife's grief

  • @Lomojo31
    @Lomojo31 2 года назад +6

    I literally laughed out loud multiple times during this very sad story...while the thoroughness in details is awesome..the side comments and facial expressions are why I watch :)

    • @BobbiGail
      @BobbiGail Год назад

      Does anyone think she is a size 8? I normally wouldn't be mean... her lies are over the top, and include murder. All bets are off.

  • @MisplacedTexan
    @MisplacedTexan 2 года назад +1730

    FYI for anyone who needs to hear this…. Another person’s spouse is NEVER the love of your life.

    • @honigdachs.
      @honigdachs. 2 года назад +104

      You're telling me the grass is NOT greener on the other side?!

    • @MisplacedTexan
      @MisplacedTexan 2 года назад +221

      @@honigdachs. - Nope! It’s green where you water it!

    • @honigdachs.
      @honigdachs. 2 года назад +82

      @@MisplacedTexan I actually quite like that idiom, makes a lot of sense.

    • @lauradees4625
      @lauradees4625 2 года назад +19

      Yeah... don't step up in that mess!

    • @brandyjoiner9575
      @brandyjoiner9575 2 года назад +64

      Cheating is never the answer. And, if you truly feel that someone is the love of your life, you shouldn't have to trap them with threats and ultimatums. Either it's mutual or it's not. If not, then for your own sanity, just let them go. And if you or the other person are already in a relationship, then get out of it before pursuing yet another relationship. It ALWAYS ends badly!
      I've been married for over 20 years, and I can't imagine ever cheating. Like the OP said, the grass is greenest wherever it's being watered, so take care of the relationship you have. We all have flaws, and you can't expect a new relationship to be flawless, so nurture what you do have, or expect the same amount of problems with whatever new flame you decide to pick up.
      *End soapbox speech*

  • @bluetiger2468
    @bluetiger2468 2 года назад +595

    I just don't understand when someone is sleeping with someone else's husband and for some reason they think somehow that'll turn into a relationship. Even if he left his wife and stayed with her, usually when a relationship starts with cheating, it ends with cheating. Because if someone cheats to be with you, what is going to stop them from cheating on you with someone else?

    • @EricHamm
      @EricHamm 2 года назад +7

      When you reach the age they did, you options are limited so you become desperate. Desperate people make mistakes.

    • @juliusmonroe7119
      @juliusmonroe7119 2 года назад +30

      @@EricHamm well I had at 2 female friends when we were in our 20s who were both gorgeous, smart, had their life together except they were both dating married men. I tried to talk them out of it but they were in love. Needless to say it didn't work out.

    • @angiecuteass
      @angiecuteass 2 года назад +2

      Yep, classic!

    • @liligh
      @liligh 2 года назад +4

      Because it has happened

    • @simi6152
      @simi6152 2 года назад +1

      It sounds more like she was in lust and truly in love

  • @MsAliemm
    @MsAliemm 2 года назад +397

    Shauna seems like a woman who has been able to manipulate men all her life. Even in the interview room...reaching for the hand of the detective and then asking for a hug before being cuffed. She was soo shocked when her manipulations no longer worked on Ignacio that she completely unravelled...and as usual the innocent people suffered the worst.

    • @Psyopcyclops
      @Psyopcyclops 2 года назад +42

      Doesn’t surprise me. She was attractive when she was younger but as she aged she lost what made men interested in her and the only thing she had going for her was lost. She made a move on Heather’s husband because her own husband didn’t excite her anymore, and when he finally had enough of her too it sent her into a spiral. She went from a small town 10 to a 4 in the dark and her value was gone.

    • @hansolo631
      @hansolo631 2 года назад +25

      @@Psyopcyclops yea i find it bizarre she was so desperate to keep him... But not enough to lose all that weight. What is the logic?

    • @Triumph-nz8pt
      @Triumph-nz8pt 2 года назад +14

      @@hansolo631 Unfortunately there is no logic to most homicides like this. Also, that detective would have gotten read and removed from the case if he hugged a suspect during an interview in my department guaranteed. I don't care who she is.

    • @cosmokwong1262
      @cosmokwong1262 2 года назад +3

      Not sure why she wore her husband's underwear either.

    • @snikrepak
      @snikrepak 2 года назад +2

      Oh man, having ADHD, I don't pick up on those types of things, I would see past this facade faster than her mouth opens.

  • @ericalexander5890
    @ericalexander5890 2 года назад +13

    Mike has such a great way of putting things, like when he says Shauna was a "police dispatcher, she did the ol' yappin' away."
    It's what makes his delivery so much better than other true crime content creators.

    • @Robinson67
      @Robinson67 Год назад

      That was my favorite part

    • @BeaYglecias
      @BeaYglecias Год назад

      Yup! I love the way he delivers it all!

  • @Jenalee919
    @Jenalee919 2 года назад +54

    This one hurts so much. Happened so close to home. Bless her and her sweet daughter’s soul. Rest In Peace, Heather and Victoria.

  • @ayjay579
    @ayjay579 2 года назад +56

    This is the first true crime story I’ve ever heard where the cop husband wasn’t the killer.

  • @paulacullin8900
    @paulacullin8900 2 года назад +86

    Hey Mike, it is a big difference from like 3 years ago until now you seem so much more comfortable like you came out of your shell . I love the way you make us laugh during a sad story. Thank you for all your hard work. 👍💗

  • @alekss4201
    @alekss4201 2 года назад +27

    So sad that Heather's daughter also passed away. I can't ever understand why people think murder is an 'easier' way out than divorce.

  • @sarahwatterson5706
    @sarahwatterson5706 2 года назад +126

    24:21 Wow… Victoria was the spitting image of her mother. I had heard of this case before but I did not know that the daughter later died. The mistakes you make and the bad decisions you act upon sometimes have farther reaching consequences then you could’ve ever perceived. Whether Ignacio ever considered the damage he was doing, whether he cared or not, it’s hard to know. He certainly was a selfish man.

    • @anti-ethniccleansing465
      @anti-ethniccleansing465 2 года назад +27

      It’s so sad that her daughter died as well, but at least Victoria died after Heather did - Heather had already suffered so much loss, I don’t think she would’ve been able to cope if she lost her daughter too.

    • @braetonwilson4296
      @braetonwilson4296 2 года назад +1

      @@anti-ethniccleansing465 Are you really sad that Victoria died? Like really? Based on your youtube handle, it doesn't seem like you would approve of a mixed race Latino-white child. Why the fake sympathy now?

    • @anti-ethniccleansing465
      @anti-ethniccleansing465 2 года назад +4

      @@braetonwilson4296
      I would love for you to explain in full detail why you wrote that comment to me, as well as that specific interpretation of my username. This will be fun!

    • @braetonwilson4296
      @braetonwilson4296 2 года назад +3

      @@anti-ethniccleansing465 I've read several of your comments in other videos. Considering there are around a billion white people in the world, for you to claim that white people are being ethnically cleansed is a joke! It's hilariously false!

    • @jqbaker418
      @jqbaker418 2 года назад +3

      @@braetonwilson4296 Lame ass comment

  • @luccahg
    @luccahg 2 года назад +67

    I typically dislike true crime stuff; I'm the type that gets depressed by the news. Mike somehow makes it palatable. His voice and narration is amazing (and it doesn't hurt that he's not hard on the eyes!)

    • @anisezettecarey2448
      @anisezettecarey2448 2 года назад +6

      I Get Depressed But I Need To Know So I Can Be Paranoid… Smh I Gotta Know About Peoples Shenanigans

    • @littletechn8175
      @littletechn8175 2 года назад +2

      @@anisezettecarey2448 Are you me?

    • @luccahg
      @luccahg 2 года назад +2

      @@anisezettecarey2448 I feel you! I live in Ontario, so I'm always worried about the next serial killer lol. Is paranoia still paranoia if you live in a murder-prone place?? That Bruce Mcarthur shit terrified me.

    • @amazingsupergirl7125
      @amazingsupergirl7125 2 года назад +2

      I know! The closing kills me every time. So cute ❤️

    • @2FadeMusic
      @2FadeMusic 2 года назад +3

      @@anisezettecarey2448 But Why Do You Gotta Type Like This Though

  • @yowatchie
    @yowatchie 2 года назад +95

    Man I really don’t get how Mike consistently puts out 2 high quality videos a week but thank god he does.

    • @jaydentate6080
      @jaydentate6080 2 года назад +2

      It's hardly Brian surgery normal people work upto 12 hours a day stop bootlicking

    • @alexjones2143
      @alexjones2143 2 года назад +10

      @@jaydentate6080 we’ll stop bootlicking when you learn to spell.🤣

    • @chrisw6164
      @chrisw6164 2 года назад +5

      We are blessed to have so many great stories about murderers. Wait

    • @TahtahmesDiary
      @TahtahmesDiary 2 года назад +4

      @@jaydentate6080 Brian surgery is so specific to people with that name only tho, sounds hard to me 🤔😜

    • @jondough7823
      @jondough7823 2 года назад +3

      He does a fantastic job! Although, this appears to be how he makes a living. I would think making 2 videos a week is roughly the equivalent of working 40 hours a week..

  • @nimkal
    @nimkal 2 года назад +1

    Hahah good close-out Mike. "But why the underwear?!" - I agree lol. Thanks for another good video 😁

  • @yinyangyo9467
    @yinyangyo9467 2 года назад +170

    The way ignacio was smirking and smiling when he was on the stand talking about her tattoo, I think he really enjoyed having her besotted with him so much so that she would get his name tattooed on her as well as being extremely jealous. I think it really boosted his ego! His eyes were also really lit up! It's at 19:19 on this video

    • @randybobandy4000
      @randybobandy4000 2 года назад +52

      He looked so pleased with himself...it makes me sick.

    • @foreversocal1
      @foreversocal1 2 года назад +40

      He's gross

    • @foreversocal1
      @foreversocal1 2 года назад +48

      He has that air of superiority coupled with a resting smug face that only a cop would be comfortable displaying on the stand while testifying in their wife's murderer's trial.

    • @sweeneytodd011
      @sweeneytodd011 2 года назад

      That short moment along the with his behaviour in this sad story confirmed to me this man is a complete selfish p*/k! A vile person considering he talks so smugly when he should be ashamed, while not totally his fault it is still without doubt Heather was murdered and his own draughter grew up without a mother along with Shaunas three children one by him due to his actions without the which none of those things would have happened.
      He seems like he has learnt nothing at all.
      (I'm not in anyway excusing the others involved btw)

    • @janethalken8269
      @janethalken8269 2 года назад +20

      So true! Like he was looking down on her? It makes you wanna be the lawyer asking him. So if she was so crazy, why did you put your family at risk? If you're so rational then why'd you go for it? Just ICK

  • @TheGGShow77
    @TheGGShow77 2 года назад +120

    Absolutely MAKES MY DAY when Mike realeases a new sorrid tale of murder, lies, and deceit! Brilliantly narrated! 🤘

  • @Khaotic450
    @Khaotic450 2 года назад +50

    Poor Heather. 💔 The lady went through so much pain and heartache only to be betrayed by the man she loved and was verbally abused in the street by stoat faced Shauna and her idiotic friend Michelle, who happily testified against her (Colour me surprised). Those pair of klutz and Ignacio are pure poison. Ken removing the murder weapon from the vehicle didn't help things either. Those 3 feeling sorry for themselves, when in reality Heather was the victim of all their senseless acts and decisions. May Heather and her daughter, Victoria rest in peace. This world is far too cruel sometimes. Thanks for the video Mike.

  • @nutterman
    @nutterman 2 года назад +2

    I’m from Greeley and you’re right. For as long as I can remember its been a drug ridden, gang ridden, violent little town. I know a lot of stories from there that Mike could make some great videos from.
    BTW, love you Mike. You’re a Master Storyteller! Watch you all the time ✌🏼💙🤘🏼

  • @CapReview
    @CapReview 2 года назад +50

    Interesting fact: this case and the Randy Baker case that Mike talks about were both prosecuted by the weld county district attorneys office. The same district attorney office that investigated and got Chris Watts

  • @jimschleich8753
    @jimschleich8753 2 года назад +159

    Ken disposses of murder weapon, is charged, charges dropped, retires. WITH FULL PENSION AND BENEFITS. He should be in prison also, he committed a SERIOUS crime. Instead he's living well on the taxpayers dime. This is what's wrong with law enforcement: it's so very, very gang/mob operated, protect your own and FTW.

    • @suzyworster8193
      @suzyworster8193 2 года назад +2

      Not true. The gun was never found. The charge against Ken Nelson was dropped and he later left the Department.

    • @jimschleich8753
      @jimschleich8753 2 года назад

      @@suzyworster8193 Someone disposed of the weapon. The fact that they couldn't (or didn't or chose not to) prove it was him does NOT prove that he didn't do it. See: "Russian Collusion" for more on this!!

    • @suzyworster8193
      @suzyworster8193 2 года назад +2

      @@jimschleich8753 Ken didn't have to prove he didn't do it. They had no evidence that he did do it. Have to have proof or there's no case. I said the gun was never found. Wasn't advocating his innocence or guilt.

    • @janethalken8269
      @janethalken8269 2 года назад +3

      @@suzyworster8193 you sound like ken's new gf? Do you have some evidence or facts besides what was reported, because it doesn't match up.

    • @suzyworster8193
      @suzyworster8193 2 года назад +3

      @@janethalken8269 I work in law. I'm simply going with oh, you remember, innocent until proven guilty? That long forgotten concept?

  • @jaslene816
    @jaslene816 2 года назад +384

    Almost feel as though she was trying to frame her husband for Heather's murder. Wearing all of his clothing down to underwear, deepening her voice, using his vehicle. If blood splatter soaked through the clothes it'd be on his clothes and underwear. Unless he had a solid alibi that would be some damning evidence. She clearly didn't like him and probably only went back with him to make Ignacio jealous. If Heather was dead and Shawna's husband was in jail for the murder Ignacio would be alone. Shawna probably made herself believe he'd come running back into her arms. She was sloppy with everything because she was cocky. She probably heard lots of crime cases over the years from her position in law enforcement and marriage. Really have the feeling she took steps to set up her husband.

    • @ZombieSazza
      @ZombieSazza 2 года назад +58

      I’ve absolutely no doubt that was her intention, that way she could disgrace her husband and get rid of him, and have a fairytale romance with Ig. She was living in some coocoo land for sure

    • @kaylas.3094
      @kaylas.3094 2 года назад +41

      yesss I believe the same thing. she wanted to get rid of heather AND her own husband so that in her delusional/psycho mind her and Ignacio could be together with no one coming between them.

    • @nyxspiritsong5557
      @nyxspiritsong5557 2 года назад +12

      That's what I thought as well.

    • @grantlowe8382
      @grantlowe8382 2 года назад +12

      Without a doubt!!

    • @mingiinimene3335
      @mingiinimene3335 2 года назад +25

      Only problem (besides the fact that the husband might have an alibi) is that husband would not have a motive. If he had wanted to kill anyone, it would have been the his wife's lover or his wife. Why would he kill Heather?

  • @sandrawebster4552
    @sandrawebster4552 2 года назад +4

    Thanks Mike for your investigative skill plus your sense of humour cheers 😊I'm hooked

  • @heyheytaytay
    @heyheytaytay 2 года назад +42

    This has some Stephanie Lazarus vibes to it including the interrogation video with the repeated "I don't know"
    The psychotic possessive madness of some people is still truly shocking.

    • @claudinejames7731
      @claudinejames7731 2 года назад

      It is truly scary. She was deluded and every time Detctive Garraus led her on she got more and more deluded, so it ended in murder. Sad, very very sad for Heather and her daughter

  • @debasmitade3474
    @debasmitade3474 2 года назад +66

    That Chapter has become a habit. What would we do without you Mike? Thanks for being sooo regular with your contents! ❤ from India.

    • @shivasgirl1609
      @shivasgirl1609 2 года назад +3

      Stop kidding yourself. I'm talking about your "habit". That's a full blown addiction you got yourself there. Lol

    • @bridgetjones5695
      @bridgetjones5695 2 года назад +1

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦🏻‍♀️🙈

  • @lady_k5588
    @lady_k5588 2 года назад +46

    Here's what you can say about Greeley: It's filled with cows. Tons and tons of cows creating tons and tons of cow poo. Those two things make the town well known in Northern Colorado. If you smell cow, you say "Welp, Greeley's at it again."
    I just started laugh-crying because you said twenty-turd. It's positively perfect!

  • @angels0auras
    @angels0auras Год назад +3

    So cruel. Trying to frame her innocent husband. Killing several birds with 1 bullet. She's a classic Sociopath.

  • @majordolbyscat
    @majordolbyscat 2 года назад +115

    He put his marriage with Heather in danger for THAT she-beast?! Sweet Mary and Joseph, what good is a blind policeman anyway!? Tragic what happened to Victoria as well. Thank you for the great content as always.

    • @tigerprayers2824
      @tigerprayers2824 2 года назад +7

      Belly laugh!

    • @dmreddragon6
      @dmreddragon6 2 года назад

      Look at all her husband tolerated, and did for her...she had something working for her.

    • @claudinejames7731
      @claudinejames7731 2 года назад +1

      What a fun user name you have! You rang my lord?

    • @KillerQueensRyche
      @KillerQueensRyche 2 года назад +1

      I'd bet he put anyone in danger for some strange with any she-beast.

    • @tropezando
      @tropezando 2 года назад

      Most people be average looking, and most people be fucking, why is everyone surprised

  • @friebs1687
    @friebs1687 2 года назад +34

    Thank you Mike for your videos. I just was recently diagnosed with kidney cancer at 34 years old. Your videos get me through. Takes my mind off the fact. You're really great at what you do. Thank you and bless you good sir.

    • @axiss5840
      @axiss5840 2 года назад +5

      That SUCKS!
      Stay strong, you can get through it!

    • @Jess-ex8fc
      @Jess-ex8fc 2 года назад +4

      sending you my best wishes!

    • @trineseDMVbeauty
      @trineseDMVbeauty 2 года назад +4

      ❤️🙏🏾

    • @nazzy101
      @nazzy101 2 года назад +2

      sending you lots of love and healing. its gonna get better, it gets better each day.🖤

    • @user-pampam70634
      @user-pampam70634 2 года назад

      God bless and be with you as you go through this horrible time in your life. May He give you peace and comfort through this, He can heal you, just call out His name, Amen💙🙏💙

  • @annakev8088
    @annakev8088 2 года назад +35

    Her family had the audacity to sit back there and disapprove of the verdict 😂😂

  • @lightbeingform
    @lightbeingform 2 года назад +4

    That poor cop having to give shauna a hug 😬😬😬

  • @DianaPrince777
    @DianaPrince777 2 года назад +27

    Hey you! I love it when I forget it's Tuesday or Friday and Mike pops up on my notifications. 😁 Have a great day, That Chapter Family!

  • @emilyk1926
    @emilyk1926 2 года назад +22

    Poor, beautiful angel. Heather seemed so bright and it hurts to know that she had to suffer so much even prior to her death, and then had to die in fear. Rest well darling ❤️

  • @mckenzimiller4282
    @mckenzimiller4282 2 года назад +246

    It annoys me how innocent Heather's husband acts, as if none of its his fault. As if he didn't have a 3 year affair and birth a whole baby with her.

    • @whitedragoness23
      @whitedragoness23 2 года назад +41

      He needs to accept the blame, he was the whole cause of his wife’s death. Yes his lover pulled the trigger but he never should of stepped out of the marriage and this would of never happened.

    • @Psyopcyclops
      @Psyopcyclops 2 года назад +17

      A whole baby? As opposed to half a baby?

    • @mckenzimiller4282
      @mckenzimiller4282 2 года назад +12

      @@Psyopcyclops my guy🤦‍♀️🙄

    • @FranticAnimations
      @FranticAnimations 2 года назад +15

      An affair is no excuse to murder someone.

    • @yukiefromoz2573
      @yukiefromoz2573 2 года назад +4

      @@Psyopcyclops I was about to ask, is it possible to birth half a baby? 🤣

  • @ThirstyEye
    @ThirstyEye 2 года назад +2

    6:12 "... She did the ol' 'yappin' away' " LMAO.

  • @builtinsuspicion
    @builtinsuspicion 2 года назад +94

    I find it fascinating that whenever someone cheats & then ends the relationship the innocent party (Heather in this instance) always gets blamed & all too often attacked & killed. Why do the jilted lovers hardly ever go after the one that jilted them? Love triangles never work out well, rather leave your spouse than cheat is what I believe. Anyway another fantastic case delivered in true Mike fashion. Thank you as always and take care.

    • @alexandraschuster9700
      @alexandraschuster9700 2 года назад +5

      It boggles my mind that the single party is always blamed for a man's deceitful ways. It is infuriating that people insinuate that because she involved with a married man. Such a comments "wel she was involved with a married, but cheating is not a reason to be murdered"
      And the one's that make such a comment are women. All of them taking it personal as if their married lives are in constant state of demise. Why these men are free of accountability? As if they were hypnotized by these jezebels

    • @SavvyMuhon
      @SavvyMuhon 2 года назад +11

      @@alexandraschuster9700
      …are you defending this woman?

    • @alexandraschuster9700
      @alexandraschuster9700 2 года назад

      @@SavvyMuhon to tell you the truth I have no idea what was the comment about. I forgot what was it all about. I don't remember the story.

    • @Shyknit
      @Shyknit 2 года назад +2

      Because they probably still want the lover and see the other person as competition

    • @MrPaxio
      @MrPaxio 2 года назад

      not even actual marriage works out well most of the time, so why waste time instead have fun with two womams, maybe move to asia and have THREE! maybe four, or six!

  • @4Mr.Crowley2
    @4Mr.Crowley2 2 года назад +93

    Ugh…Shawna calling *anyone* a hag, especially Heather - who was much more attractive (poor woman should have dumped that creep “husband”) - is so pathetic. Look in the mirror girl. Ugly through and through…also threw her best friend under the bus…of course. Shawna was such a loyal person >eye roll<
    Also, it was tragic to learn of the poor daughter’s fate!

    • @franceshaypenny8481
      @franceshaypenny8481 2 года назад +18

      I know right, Shauna is hideous, Heather was stunning! And Ignacio was as plain and ordinary as can be. If only Heather hadn't been so lovely and forgiving, she might've left him and saved her own sweet life, and maybe that would have saved Victoria too. This is the damage that adultery / homewreckers cause; a ripple effect of misery.

    • @intrepidtomato
      @intrepidtomato 2 года назад +6

      @@franceshaypenny8481 So this. F.... that husband too. Shrugs ad smirks his way through his statements. Disgusting.

    • @virginiaviola5097
      @virginiaviola5097 2 года назад +7

      With love I pray that Heather and Victoria are together in a beautiful place where no harm will ever befall them, that they have in heaven the life that they deserved to have had on earth.

    • @MrRyan-wu4jx
      @MrRyan-wu4jx 2 года назад +8

      Nacho definitely outkicked his coverage when he landed Heather. Amazing he’d not be content with that and decided to hook up with some skank.

    • @Proverbs31_25
      @Proverbs31_25 2 года назад +2

      crimes like this are proof that a marriage & wedding & cheating lying disloyal piece of shit spouse =murder

  • @byrock08
    @byrock08 2 года назад +34

    You are the absolute best when it comes to telling true crime stories, and other stories (i.e. The Captain, etc). I've been watching for almost "tree" years. I love your channel. Thanks for all your hard work on producing, writing, and researching these stories. Keep up the great work.

  • @alexthiele5032
    @alexthiele5032 Месяц назад

    I love when Mike says, “If you can believe that.” after telling us something completely believable.

  • @catherinethorpe4717
    @catherinethorpe4717 2 года назад +34

    She wanted her husbands blamed and jailed for the crime, he'd be gone along with Heather, leaving her available to comfort Ignasious during his terrible loss. Purrrfect she thought.

  • @michalinarochna9552
    @michalinarochna9552 2 года назад +12

    Thank you Mike for being a distraction in these hard times

  • @MegaDublinguy
    @MegaDublinguy 2 года назад +146

    Mike does it again in his own inimitable way!
    It's tragic that Heather had to die because Ignatio has to get his jollies instead of supporting his wife through the painful loss of two parents in such a brief space of time. If Shauna had to shoot someone it's a pity it wasn't him instead of Heather. Or better still herself.

    • @truesnuh4781
      @truesnuh4781 2 года назад +3

      Then their daughter dies in 2015...wow...I have no words.

    • @carewser
      @carewser 2 года назад +2

      yeah, the saddest thing was the most innocent person of them was the one that got murdered

    • @MegaDublinguy
      @MegaDublinguy 2 года назад +1

      @@carewser Too true!

  • @Onlyasking-b3s
    @Onlyasking-b3s Год назад

    I'm always so glad to find one of your videos that I haven't seen. The way you narrate it keeps us from getting so depressed at this world. I hope you have a wonderful life

  • @janetdear6429
    @janetdear6429 2 года назад +48

    😱 shockingly sad story, may heather and her daughter rest in peace, 🙏 another great video thanks Mike 🖤

  • @squeegel3904
    @squeegel3904 2 года назад +53

    5:10
    THIS. Hit home. I have literally experienced the same, in reverse order.
    Hi my name is Glenn, and over a period of 2 years, my life changed drastically.
    8 months after moving to a new town with my girlfriend of 5 years, she broke up with me.
    My mom passed away the following september from cancer, and my dad this last october from a heart attack.
    To say everything affected me greatly is an understatement. It took me a year to remove my mom from my contact list, and when I did it really fucked me up. I am definitely not the same person I was 2 years ago.
    Dont take family for granted, tell your family you love them.
    Also, thank you Mike for providing such quality content. You are a gem, and have helped me put up with my life over the past year.

    • @alexandraschuster9700
      @alexandraschuster9700 2 года назад +5

      I am sorry what you are going through. A broken heart it is already traumatizing enough to fall in a deep depression. Add all your family loss it is devastating..
      I suffered PTSD for 3 years straight. I felt I was outside my body. Everything sounded as if I was in a tunnel. I was completely unable to feel grounded. I avoided people when a deep depression took over. I couldn't get out of bed for 7 months. My body felt so heavy as I was made of lead. The only place I went to was to buy food for my dogs. Even when in public I couldn't hold my tears falling of my face. I was married for 14 years+ they were very unhappy. The good moments were scarce, until there were none. He went to work and called me from work to informed me he didn't love me anymore. I knew that moment he was cheating. Because, only when there is a third party they have the disconnection, dismissiveness, numbness to drop such a devastating bomb. I am happy now on my own. I Learned to love me again, and get to know me in the present time. This has scarred me for life, because I am unable to let a man close to me. It's been 8 years and I am ok with that. I have unconditional love of my dogs. I don't need anything else.

    • @alexandraschuster9700
      @alexandraschuster9700 2 года назад +2

      Wishing you a healthy healing process

    • @Secret_Soul_Survivor
      @Secret_Soul_Survivor 2 года назад +1

      I'm sorry for your losses. I lost both my brothers 3 years apart and even though it was nearly 6 years ago I still can't remove their numbers I don't think I ever will...😢💔

    • @anthonyb2282
      @anthonyb2282 2 года назад +1

      I'm sorry to hear that you've had to experience such pain and sadness. I lost both of my parents within a 2 year span ( 2013-2015). I hope that you continue to find healing as time passes.

    • @ronmexico6241
      @ronmexico6241 2 года назад

      It helps me to help others, not drink and stay busy....

  • @gothictdk3792
    @gothictdk3792 2 года назад +176

    Did anybody notice that there was an actual family that is gone? Not only is Heather murdered, Heather’s Father & Mother died, and her daughter died in car accident when she became a adult. I never heard of such damnation of bad luck. Lord have mercy🙏

    • @cocksure8430
      @cocksure8430 2 года назад +4

      Now, if you were a good Christian you'd say she must have done something to deserve it, for god to punish her so.

    • @gothictdk3792
      @gothictdk3792 2 года назад

      @@cocksure8430 No😞

    • @jjplaw2576
      @jjplaw2576 2 года назад

      @@cocksure8430 Or that the family is together in Heaven.

    • @jedross2136
      @jedross2136 2 года назад +1

      @@cocksure8430 I don't think they see death as a punishment. Judgement and punishment happens after for them.

    • @PyrrhusBrin
      @PyrrhusBrin 2 года назад

      @@cocksure8430 no need to be so bitter

  • @SarahLBanks
    @SarahLBanks Год назад +2

    “Dipping his wick!!” 😂😂
    I haven’t heard that comment for quite awhile. 😁😂🕯

  • @fredajordan5704
    @fredajordan5704 2 года назад +167

    This whole mess could have been avoided so easily....Ignatio, you carry a big amount of guilt in this here, have fun living with it.

    • @anti-ethniccleansing465
      @anti-ethniccleansing465 2 года назад +6

      Cheating doesn’t deserve having a spouse be murdered, dude. Stop blaming Ignacio for Shawna and Michelle being CRAZY beeyotches.

    • @bobshenix
      @bobshenix 2 года назад +24

      @@anti-ethniccleansing465 No it doesn't.... but the fact remains Heather would still be alive today if Ignacio never had that affair. An affair that went on so long and even produced a child (potentially two if you count the aborted one).

    • @anti-ethniccleansing465
      @anti-ethniccleansing465 2 года назад +6

      @@bobshenix
      So? People have affairs all the time. They amount of times they end up in murder is probably less than 99.9% of the time!
      Someone cheating does not make them responsible for the person they are cheating with killing their spouse when they literally had no involvement in the murder whatsoever.

    • @KatrinaDancer
      @KatrinaDancer 2 года назад +15

      @@anti-ethniccleansing465 The law and morals don't always match up. He isn't legally guilty but he is partially responsible morally. His mistress however is both legally and morally responsible. They both sound like terrible people 🙄

    • @anti-ethniccleansing465
      @anti-ethniccleansing465 2 года назад +3

      @@KatrinaDancer
      He is only morally responsible for cheating, but there could have been an understandable reason for that, so perhaps not even that. He is _NOT_ morally responsible whatsoever for his wife’s murder.

  • @j.o.1509
    @j.o.1509 2 года назад +104

    Again it gives me the chills: How many people are out there planning and executing a murder for their selfish reasons AND how many KNOW about those plans and choose to say NOTHING?? ! I wonder...

    • @amp279
      @amp279 2 года назад +1

      48 Hours did an investigation on this, I think it was called
      'Click for a killer' they ended up disrupting/uncovering several murder for hire plots.

    • @DekkarJr
      @DekkarJr Год назад

      Millions, and also millions.

  • @alisn.7998
    @alisn.7998 2 года назад +314

    Did anyone else notice that Ignacio smirked when discussing the tattoo of his name on Shauna’s ankle? Creepy guy, feeling smug about it. He was the cause of his wife’s murder almost as much as the woman. What a poor excuse of a man. Weak in every way. I hope he was shunned by his police associates and others, afterwards. And the murderer…she seems utterly narcissistic. Talk about me, me, me! Disgusting person.

    • @hansolo631
      @hansolo631 2 года назад +35

      I felt bad for her husband... Having another mans brand on your wife and raising his son. If he does right by that kid then he has to be an incredible person

    • @hansolo631
      @hansolo631 2 года назад +14

      @@mar-shagazorpazorp6431 Look at the end of the day, raising the kid of the guy who fucked the absolute brains out of your wife and turned her into a crazed loveslave for him, is a tall order. There's no way around that. He's not a robot I presume. He deserves credit for it.

    • @scorpion-lg4ic
      @scorpion-lg4ic 2 года назад +10

      @@hansolo631 I agree with you. Children should be considered innocent of their parents wrong doings, that is 100% true. I think most people feel that way. However, there are people that take things out on children...man and woman have 6 kids, man leaves because it's too much struggle so the mother takes out her sadness and anger at the dad on the kids he left behind. Or lady is pregnant, she dies in childbirth so the father takes out his heartache at losing his woman on the child that was born. It shouldn't happen to an innocent child....but we have all seen stories where it has happened!! So I agree, I'm glad her husband did step up to raise the child of his wife and her lover. He could have put the child in foster care but I'm glad the children are being raised together. I just hope that it is a healthy environment for all of them and they get all the love and mental health support they all need...children and grownups.

    • @dickdiamonds3410
      @dickdiamonds3410 2 года назад +11

      Shunned by his police associates? I doubt it. 40% of police beat their wives. Look it up

    • @krisdiane
      @krisdiane 2 года назад +30

      Yeah, that was disgusting. He tried to stop himself from smiling, but he was obviously so damn amused by her obsession with him.

  • @ktilleyhappiness
    @ktilleyhappiness Год назад +2

    I just love Mike! He’s cute and he’s funny and he does a good job! And also Mike, you go ahead and play with your intro!! Do it!

  • @rullmourn1142
    @rullmourn1142 2 года назад +20

    Hi Mike, thank you for keeping me sane during the plague years.

  • @Beefer-e4j
    @Beefer-e4j 2 года назад +32

    After ALL OF THIS, Heather and Ignacio’s daughter died in a car wreck… what an absolutely sad, just devastating set of events.. he’s left to love with it all I guess.

  • @modusartsgroup
    @modusartsgroup 2 года назад +18

    This case could be made into a 10 episode Netflix original series and there still wouldn't be enough time to include all the in's and out's and twists and turns. Great job, TC!

  • @paranoid_android33
    @paranoid_android33 Год назад +1

    I heard this on a podcast. I wanted to see what the characters look like. Yes, characters lmao! Anyway, so glad to see you covered it!

  • @cali.girllivinnnevada8
    @cali.girllivinnnevada8 2 года назад +113

    Mike has very quickly made Tuesdays and Fridays 2 of the best days of my week❣️
    Thanks Mike….I ❤️ ya!
    P.S.
    Hope the goo crew has a great week 🤗

  • @shawngagnon4983
    @shawngagnon4983 2 года назад +15

    The pace,tone and humor are the perfect combination. Love the way you’ve grown throughout. Hope you don’t stop anytime soon

  • @1980Triumph
    @1980Triumph 2 года назад +142

    The husband is just vile, no remorse for the sheer terror he inflicted on his wife. It is clear that Shawna is an absolute monster but he is just as sick. I understand his frustrations and dealing with her was probably awful but HE ruined what little bit of life she had left and got her killed, ruined that baby who now is growing up without either parent and just as sad is the daughter who died. That woman's legacy and line are now dead. Sad and disgusting.

    • @ir0n392
      @ir0n392 2 года назад +17

      He’s wrong for cheating definitely, but no one but shawna “got her killed”. The husband had no idea that having an affair with this woman would result in her being killed. By your logic I could say “she shouldn’t have married him, marrying him got her killed”.. don’t try to put her death on anyone but the killer, I’m sure he feels bad enough

    • @karascene13
      @karascene13 2 года назад +18

      @@ir0n392 I see what you're saying, but the guy is a piece of shit. He probably thinks he's hot shit because a girl would murder just to be with him. He probably takes it as a compliment. 🙄

    • @iclickedbecauseiamtiredofs4630
      @iclickedbecauseiamtiredofs4630 2 года назад +10

      @@ir0n392 nope he is ABSOLUTELY at fault🙄. IF you allow a dog you WILLINGLY know has rabies into your home & your child gets bitten & passes away it is NOT the fault of the 🐕 The company YOU keep CAN 'keep' you UP or DOWN as well🙄🤦‍♀️🤡

    • @darkdefenderok9032
      @darkdefenderok9032 2 года назад +6

      @@ir0n392 He PLAYED STUPID games and WON STUPID prizes! Had he been a LOYAL, COMPASIONATE and UNDERSTANDING husband he wouldn't be in this situation. HE took a VOW. HE BROKE THEM. He was to ARROGANT and stupid to think with the brain in his head instead of the one between his legs. Was it WORTH it? BOTTOM LINE! If he was LOYAL to his wife, THIS would have NEVER happened and she would STILL BE HERE! He most DEFINITLY has blood on his hands. Actions have CONSEQUENCES!

    • @darkdefenderok9032
      @darkdefenderok9032 2 года назад +6

      @@karascene13 No, you should not SEE what Ayman is saying. Heather's husband was a PEICE OF SHIT! Had he kept his vow's HE MADE and dedicated his life to his wife and mother of his child, SHE WOULD STILL BE HERE! He played STUPID games... played them with a PSYCO and won STUPID PRIZES. When you CHEAT it's a gamble you have to take. WHY the Hell did he make vow's he could NOT keep? HE should NOT have married Heather. HE'S the ONE who broke the vow's. HE was the sneak. HE SHOULDN'T have married her, marrying HER got HER KILLED, OBVIOUSLY HER marring HIM got HER KILLED!!! OBVIOSLY the mistress is a SHIT SACK but to dismiss the HUSBAND that strayed away in THE FIRST PLACE is laughable! They're BOTH on the SAME playing field. HE HAS BLOOD ON HIS HANDS, HE alone BROUGHT this MONSTER into their lives. PERIOD.

  • @ATB2025
    @ATB2025 2 года назад

    Thanks!