Mike, I'm 67, my son is about to turn 36. He called me for my birthday yesterday and during our conversation he happened to mention that he loves watching a true crime RUclipsr. Seconds later, we realized he and I have both been watching you for about a year. It made me birthday even more special, realizing he and I both love YOUR humor and your excellent way of filling us in on a crime story. ❤
Yeah. After my therapist told me that she put her fish in the freezer to painlessly euthanize them because she was moving, I was taken aback. I get that we kill fish all the time to eat them, but killing a pet seems different
People who are cruel to animals are always inclined to treat humans as badly when they think they can get away with it too. Animal abuse in a household is nearly always linked to domestic abuse against spouse and/or children.
@@lesleydickson7746 what’s strange is that otherwise she was a very empathetic and lovely lady. When my friend’s neighbors moved I took in their fish, even bought a second tank to separate them because the male bullied the female and had even taken her eye out before I got them. And I don’t even like fish!!! They were fantail goldfish. Mad-Eye Tina outlived Bruce, she made it to 12 years cause I treated them well. People are ignorant and keep fish in tiny little tanks which is abvsive, that’s why they kill goldfish in months when they’re supposed to live over a decade
I'm a hospice nurse. My favorite patient and I both watch your channel to unwind, so now we watch (I listen) together while I'm doing his treatments and caring for him. It's a nice if not a bit morbid way to bond with someone.
I’m a retired palliative care nurse, that connection is so important for both of you. I’m struggling a bit here to find the exact words, but it is about humanity, and keeping that alive. The person who is ill is still a person, and that can get a bit lost, in that they can become the illness and the person gets forgotten...I experienced this many, many decades ago when my best friend was diagnosed with breast cancer, a battle that sadly she ultimately lost at 34 after a valiant 6 year battle, and I’d get so angry on her behalf with all the people close to us, because she was being spoken of only in regards of her illness, and I’d think “her name isn’t cancer, her name is Kim”...probably why I ended up working in that field. And there is the part of how emotionally difficult hospice is....you don’t want to become clinical and detached, but at the same time you need to be able to keep doing your job...finding that halfway point that recognises that you are both human beings is key. Sounds like you are an awesome hospice nurse, and your patient is very lucky to have you..and another yay for Mike and ThatChapter! ☘️ God bless.
K, this made me cry 😭😭😭 like a baby. Sending love, light, and blessings. Thank God for people like you. My father did at home hospice. I just love this for you and your patient
She has manipulation skills. She's convinced men to marry her even though she has children. Not a lot of men are thrilled with that Prospect. But I agree, you would think the courts would have tested her.
We're from North Texas and you hear a lot about us because we got a big ass state that used to be a big ass country, the lone Star State. The reason you can't have your cake and eat it too is self-evident you can either have your cake or you can eat it and once you eat it you don't have it anymore it's gone you've eaten it and will s*** it soon welcome to America.
@@codyallensiebert They are NOT allowed to release her medical information to the courts without her consent though. That’s what HIPPA laws are for. And they can’t force a woman to take a pregnancy test either.
When looking up this case I found that another Michelle Williams killed another Greg Wiliams while he had fallen asleep and tried to say it was a robbery. The parallels between the two cases are super eerie.
It always shocks me to hear 'parent's' throw their own kids under the bus to save themselves. Seriously WTAF is wrong with them! I've only heard of it a couple of times but, in both cases, it's been the 'mum'. Just proves what low life's they are.
The fact that she was able to delay going to prison because she was “pregnant” is such BS!!! I know several women who had to have their baby in jail or prison…and they were handcuffed to their hospital bed while giving birth! And those women weren’t in custody for murder, let alone anything violent! Why was Michelle so special?? It’s just crazy to me! On the other hand, I love this channel & you too Mike!
"She had it made" apart from a severe personality disorder. Eveeythiny in her life will be tainted , turn to shit, unless she's able to get superior topnotch of the line therapy and drugs, though the chances getting access and finding the one with the best outcome (oh and she has to want to actually help). No, she was always going to end up a killer or certainly would hurt anyone she crosses path with.
Hey now, she has been deemed innocent by the court. That means she's obviously innocent. It's fine. We're fine. People are safe with her on the loose. Male DV victims are treated fairly in the court.
(20:51) A criminal mastermind at work: "No one would ever suspect if we 'bone' up in the attic!" That dog Michele seemed to always be desperately seeking male attention.
Can you make a video about Nick Cordova? He was shot and killed in his office back in 2020 during a FaceTime call with his wife and kids who saw everything. There is a very clear photo of the suspect, but still two years later, police have no leads. With your platform you could give this case a ton of exposure and potential help solve it.
I laughed out loud at the end when Mike said "she was sentenced to 60 years in prison." Almost as much as I laughed at her eyebrows in that 48 Hours interview. 😂
I'm sorry, are we supposed to believe that she woke up in the middle of the night thinking there was a break-in and she did NOT wake up her bodybuilder-husband?
Yah, ``no diggity, no doubt!'' That, or I woulda woke up, said, ``wow, that was really loud,'' and went back to sleep, ha-ha! ``Probably a train derailed or a car crashed somewhere in the neighborhood.''
Yeah, I don’t think even most man, if they had an adult partner in the bedroom, would just go check it out alone, and not wake the other person, to warn them that someone might be in the house, ask them to have a phone or gun ready, etc.
Re- Her getting up without waking partner.. Depends how eg independent or fearful by nature you are, or how deep ur partner sleeps etc maybe 🤷♀️.. I get up & check on stuff, quietly, by myself all the time.. I wouldn't wake my other half unless I definitely saw a time-sensitive danger.. Even with a danger that could wait I wouldn't wake him.. 🤔 As far as with peeps I've known this is pretty normal.. 🤔 With every comment anyone says "is not normal" , it's important to stop first and think "is it though?” Don't let the current popular narrative make you look upon objectively normal behavior as abnormal, as it's a slippery slope to where, one day, when most peeps do this ( innocently ) yours & others completely normal behaviour becomes a reason to label you unfairly "abnormal" too.. 😁☮️🌏
@@scoopwoop8196 Your point is my point.. If it's not about an "objective" right or wrong, then their choice is not "abnormal".. It's a personal belief of what I or you decide today is normal for us.. Which changes person to person. So calling people "wrong" in these situations just means you shouldn't complain/ say anything when you get told you are "wrong" or "abnormal" for your individual non- objectively wrong choices.. It's sorta like calling someone wrong for having a different fave colour. You shouldn't complain if they say you are wrong in your choice of colour.. Or hats or jumpers etc.. 😁☮️🌏
I love that she's like "no I didn't do it- I only said I did because I could get a plea deal.. if I said I didn't do it I could get 50-100 years.." *gets 60 years after footage plays in court*
Karma can be truly beautiful in all its forms. When it takes an action that can only be by intelligent design, something we couldn't possibly think of, i have a little giggle at the sense of humour in the delivery of justice.😂
It amazes me how many people are slow enough to commit murders in their own home with their own weapon and then have the nerve to tell the cops…Yea somebody broke in, no weapon, took ours, knocked me out as is usually the case cause ofc I can’t remember anything and while im out I wake up to my significant other shot in the head and oh yea the robber that broke in who wasn’t really a robber because he didn’t take anything he also left the gun behind because duh why not you have to believe me officer I swear💀just absolutely the dumbest load of crap ever makes absolutely no sense. Robber comes in takes nothing kills husband leaves money guns and the wife behind…completely logical
This story is insane. Seriously how can anyone be so greedy. You'd think she would be grateful after struggling with her children after her first marriage. It's never enough for some people.
@@meilei8716 my mother is like this as well. She ended up with a similar fate to Michelle. It’s the best thing that could happen to the both of them. I hope you’re able to create distance between that side of your family and yourself, it’s hard to do but is definitely for the best ❤️
@@helene02184 im not trying to judge promiscious people, but ones like her are extremely dangerous, she wanted to sleep around with whomever yet wanted a "serious" relationship and was killing her exs who probably and sadly figured out her schemes and they lost their lives
I work as a housekeeper at a beach resort...and I love listening to "That Chapter" while I'm cleaning, doing laundry, taking out trash, restocking supply closets, ect. Although I do sometimes get weird looks when I answer questions out loud, or laugh randomly at the stupidity of the criminals/killers. Michele's "acting skills" in the police interview definitely made me laugh out loud!!! 😂🤣😂
I am glad to hear that she played herself and got a longer sentence. What a horrible person. She had someone that was good to her and her greed and selfishness got in the way. He bought her a business but it was never enough. She deserves what she got and more. May she rot in prison.
@@bobjones4469 she initially didn't admit guilt and could have gotten a lighter sentence and she refused. She faked a pregnancy to delay sentencing. She tried to set up her son. She deserves what she gets.
I loved when she talked herself into a life sentence when she was basically in the clear. Most prosecutors wouldnt have give such a generous deal & she blew it. Most likely because she actually LIKED how that 48 hours interview came out, so she wanted to care about her public image more than her sentence. Which destroyed her image & her sentence! Very poetic
"You have to let me out of jail because I'm pregnant with twins at 44. No need to check, why would anybody lie to get out of jail?" That's one hell of a legal system!
It's Texas, they love babies that don't even exist because some guy that doesn't exist up in the clouds talked to them... just a little crazy sandwich there in texas
@@patinsley They believe in a baby fathered by that non-existing guy in a non-existing heaven which also never has proven to have really existed. So what? Uteri are holy to them. One way only, mind you. Sex is disgusting. Unless you produce babies.
That was quite a satisfying ending. So many of these stories illustrate the difference between intelligence and wisdom. This man was intelligent enough to build wealth, but profoundly foolish to marry such an obvious and utter piece of trash.
Narcissists can escape a lot of consequences - until they can’t at which point their fragile ego guarantees they will rot in a cell. The teary “I’m not a killer” interview no one will remember was worth her life to her. They can’t stop the spin and once there is a magnifying glass the spin is embarrassing at best.
I am addicted to this channel. The presentation is perfect. The right balance of humor and respect is maintained. Mike was able to make me interested in stories about crime where I otherwise had no interest. That's the power of a good storyteller and since I discovered this channel, I've watched...every single episode. Thank you for the work, Mike.
Great episode! I was disappointed with the shortest insurance dance ever but considering the insurance company cut her off, cutting the dance short makes sense.
If she’d focused as much energy on literally anything other than being a trapeze artist with men, swindling and spending other peoples money- she’d probably have a great quality of life.
@@TheAcenightcreeper lol ??? I can only speak on the context of the video. It’s not ‘because she’s a woman’. She just happens to be a woman and is the subject of the video - she seems driven, greedy, enterprising. She could’ve done something else. I didn’t say she has redeeming qualities. Just that she could’ve used her cunning and fake crying to climb a different ladder that wouldn’t cost a man and children their lives. Not changing her personality, just REDIRECTING her energy. I don’t understand why you’re splitting hairs. And I would say the same for any other sociopath/m*rderer. I also believe some people are just meant to be what they are, because there has to be another side to every coin. Have a great week!
That's how my mother is. Never left one without having another waiting in the wings. She was an abusive monster as well. I'm surprised she never murdered anyone. I thought she was going to murder me a few times. Been no contact with her for 10 years. She's dead to me. RIP 🧹
Unfortunately for some, blood isn’t always thicker than water. I hope you have found a great support system and good for you for knowing you don’t deserve that bullshit and moved on. 🖤
I know, my next door neighbor always rubbz his dogs red rocket on the window to agitate me and mi birds, we scream and scream at em but all he does is squeeze harder like it's a pastry bag.
weird that they didn't sentence her because she was pregnant. I work at the county jail and we have pregnant inmates and if they get sentenced they still go to prison, baby bump and all.
Maybe because she was in her forties and pregnant with twins. That's a very high risk pregnancy. It requires a lot more checkups and whatnot. Are prisons equipped to deal with that? I was wondering why nobody bothered to check whether she was actually pregnant. If someone looking at two decades in jail told me something that could keep them out of there I'd definitely check the facts.
@@nessagirl1911 being in her 40s and pregnant with twins has nothing to do with it and neither does being high risk. All inmates needing specialized care are taken to outside facilities. We've had tons of pregnant junkies and they are considered "high risk" and they all get care while in custody. And im pretty sure a pregnancy test was performed, claims like those are not just taken at face value.
Check out MrBallen on youtube. He and Mike avoid doing same stories, and Ballen is just as good a storyteller. Has like 300 vids, amd now a podcast. Need the 2 of them to collab soon!
I can recall the first time I heard Mike sign off his video case with "I love you" and how much that warmed my heart to know that genuine and kind people still exist in the world. For that Mike will always have my subs.
@@karaamundson3964 he has a very unique sense and I enjoy how he attempts to balance the severity of some of his cases with blank stares and elongated sentences. His intro is ALWAYS different and I love not knowing how he will ask us to "Give it a go". 😉
This case gives me chills. I was in a relationship with a narsissictic, sociopathic, pathological liar that I unfortunately impregnated with twins. The big problem was, she wasn't very good at her craft so I always caught her in lies a and she would NEVER admit that she was lying. I found out that she was sleeping with my brother for 4 years for money. I left, trying to get my life put back together,. I do the best I can for my kids, and haven't looked back. I miss my brother way more than I'll ever miss her. I'll never speak to him again. I don't care how hot the person is, there's lines you don't cross with your own blood.
That happened with my ex wife and probably my best friend and it’s the same. Years later I actually miss him but I’m still not forgiving him nor speaking to him.
I've never heard of being able to stay out of jail because you're pregnant. They put plenty of pregnant women in jail and treat them like absolute garbage.
That's one thing that always blows my mind about some of these greedy monsters It's one thing to plan this bullshit out and steal the kids parent away, but to also do it in the house with them permanently traumatizing them There's even a few cases where they have the kid find the body, the doctor one and bible thumper creeper case, it's really messed up
Honestly though, YET again we have a "mastermind" who thinks they can BS the cops and willingly goes into the interview, even if she wasn't guilty they'd still browbeat her into confessing haha That whole multiple story thing wouldn't happen if she just refused to talk to them haha, it isn't inherently suspicious
Yeah fr... she even tried to blame one of her son's for the murder 😬. Wow. How would that make u feel as her son...no wonder they went into the military to get away from dear ol "mom" as soon as possible. Bet she spends the rest of her life in prison doin that hard time; no visitors, no one to answer the collect calls and no money on the books for commissary! Well deserved.
Hey Mike- Mark here from Oz (Melbourne). Must say I’m loving That Chapter. I particularly enjoyed the Michele Williams piece. Having episodes that run for 20-30 minutes is just perfect. Keep up the great work
There was a lot of privilege on this case... Why didn't they have take a pregnancy test to ascertain if she is pregnant or not. I have also seen many cases were women have given birth in custody ... Why was she any different?? Why was her bond reduced?? She lied and tampered with evidence why wasn't she charged for that?? I felt like the first interrogation the cop was trying to coach her
Remember the black woman who was allowed to stay out of prison so she could support her Olympic gymnast daughter? Or the black teen who home invaded and murdered an elderly man admittedly “for fun” who was sentenced to probation (he also had to write an essay about how he would never do it again). I’m betting you didn’t. Would you say it was privilege that allowed such circumstances? The justice system is all over the place. You’ll find people of all varieties-ethnicity getting easy outs and others of all ethnicities who are treated unjustly.
@@7eyesopenwide168 the first case you mentioned, the black woman in question had a delayed prison sentence not "staying out of prison" and it was an embezzlement case, not a murder case (I'm not saying embezzlement is ok, I'm saying murder is worse). As for the second case you mentioned, I can't find it. Can you tell me how to find it? also at no moment did L N say it's a white privilege thing, they just said it's a privilege thing and this is about a woman who married a rich man. Also, when it comes justice system and privilege, you have to look at statistics not individual cases to know if there's a problem. Sure you can find cases of any ethnicity getting lucky or the opposite, it doesn't mean that suddenly justice system as whole treats everyone equally.
@@7eyesopenwide168 It's more of "women's privilege" when it comes to justice system. I'm a woman btw and I feel like women often get off really easy, especially pretty ones 🙄
I just want to say that your videos are the highlight of my week. Mike, and the writers, and camera people, and the editors of this channel...Thank you all. And anyone I didn't mention, because I'm not sure how this is put together, Thank you as well. We all love the That Chapter crew.
The editing is just so superb, but subtle one might almost miss it.. That look of the judge, that eyeroll from the juror, the life-insurance-party-music cut off. just so perfect.
I suggest that Mike keeps the full insurance policy bit in everytime please. It's the best part. Also if you want to get out of those tree regions and try a new state look up and do a vid about Shanda Shayer. It's a big one
I'm a 60 year old woman and I am a construction worker. I work in the hot Florida sun ( yes, I live in Florida. I know) anyway, I love nothing better than to come home from work and watching your videos! It's the highlight of my day!!! Thank you Mike! You Rock!!!!
I can just imagine her antics in prison now - having affairs with guards, destroying their lives, pretending to get pregnant even though she's well into her 50's by this point. Judge would be like, ''Ms. Williams, you've been in menopause for a bit now, so you can't be pregnant.'' Michele: 'Yeah, but it was a super menopause; the kind that puts babies in ya - so can I get out of jail now, my menopause babies need me.''
That doesnt really make a difference, everyone doesnt react the same. Some ppl just dont cry- or cry often. You cant expect anyone to "act" a certain way. Ive gone to funeral after funeral since high school (many of them were for friends that died while we were in high school- suicides, car accidents etc) & havnt ever cried at any funeral including theirs. I had 2 dogs that I'd had for 13yrs both die within 5 months of each other a few years ago & dont remember crying. The only time(s) I ever recall crying is when Ive been extremely mad & couldnt do anything about it
@@kristiskinner8542 the point isn’t that someone doesn’t cry, but that they are making the sounds and facial expressions for crying, but no tears are actually flowing. It’s a desynchronization in body language indicative of deception. Yeah, some people actually cannot produce tears for various medical/medication reasons, but there’s no reason to assume that here.
It's no crime to be married twice, be a narcisstic sociopath, etc. But when you said she poisoned her 2nd husband's dog when he insisted on a divorce after he caught her cheating, that is a crime. That dog probably trusted her, and would have looked after her and out for her. I hope she never, ever gets out. Ever.
Love seeing a toxic liar like this get exactly what they deserve through nothing but self-destruction. She was so accustomed to manipulating her way through life, she thought she could get away with it forever. Time after time, she made it worse by trying to evade even the accountability that was far too lenient for her. People who live their life avoiding all accountability deserve worse than prison.
Narcissists who kill people usually think they're smarter than everyone else. But they are stupid enough to actually think they can get away with murder. With forensics today and DNA technology the chance of actually getting away with hurting someone is growing increasingly smaller. The big issue in the 70s and 80s was everytime the police got close to catching someone they could just leave the state and law agencies didn't communicate. Today you leave tiny pieces of you everywhere you go and with phones, dashcams, doorbell cameras you can't go anywhere without someone catching you on video.
Glad this toxic pos with the crazy eyes finally got locked up. She was good for nothing good really. Chronic lying and having sex were her specialties. Yuk.
@@brickhouse3282 Yip, politicians get away with bare face lying their whole careers .. implementing policies that affect all of us badly..yet they never face retribution for crimes against humanity .. we can only hope 🙏 karma catches up .
Or they screw up a case because they are connected to the suspect in some way. Those cases are so disheartening especially when an innocent is locked up.
My parents used to say, "as you go through life, you are going to meet various idiots, but a complete idiot is quite rare!" Well, she's one and got just what she deserves!
@@Tastykake83lol My jaw was pretty much on the ground during this whole segment. It reminded me of that Dave Chappelle's skit where the white guy was able to basically come in whenever he wanted to and Turn himself in.
Mike, just wanted to let you know that for the first time in my life I turned on notifications and it was for your channel. I know it's like "wow some guy on the internet turned on notifications" but seriously I don't do that for everyone, literally just you! Hope you or anyone reading has a fantastic day!
She lost me when she said she heard a noise like someone was breaking in and she got up to investigate. Since when has that ever happened? A 200+ lbs man who most likely owns 47 guns (TEXAS) is laying next to you and you the woman don't try and wake him up, and just go confront a possible armed robber. yeah right.
Whether you're innocent or guilty, when the cops start getting verbally aggressive, insisting that you're guilty, the only words out of your mouth should be, "I need to speak to my attorney."
Uh...actually, If I've learned anything from Mikes videos it is... 1-Never talk to the cops without an attorney present even if you have nothing to hide...and ... 2-Never take out life insurance on yourself unless you want to die!
The fact that she was convicted by her own words after receiving the deal of a lifetime and almost getting away with murder makes me 100% believe in karma.
@@jonathanlgill Basically this; in the US you need beyond a reasonable doubt and if the jury is hung, there's a mistrial, or something similar she could walk and leave immune to further prosecution (for this case.) It's the reason Rittenhouse was acquitted despite.... everything...
Thx Mike. This one was disturbing. It was oozing out of her pores that she was lying and ironic that she got a sweet deal, and messed all that up. The Defeat by karma packs the ultimate punch.
@@quantumjourney1 Ironic is when someone definitely expects events or in this case ( a murder) to go in their direction but the result goes completely sideways. Usually because of their own doings. (Basically Confident Expectations that don't work out for that person) is an ironic position.
Ah yes, that saying about the cake :) I like the original version ("You can't eat your cake and have it too.") much better, because the meaning is more clear when put that way.
My mothers name is also Michelle williams and she went to prison for 20 years for 2 counts of attempted murder. She cut 2 ppls throats 😐 Shes out now and lives in Utah
😱great God I'm so sorry! I always think about the children in these cases...I hope with all my heart that you have found a safe & loving place to be. Sending peace & love ❤
“And Michele… she was a very SECKSUAL woman…” the look on your face when you said that was hilarious. The laughs make the storytelling that much better.
Detective: Your story doesn't add up. The way we see it, either you killed him or he killed himself. Michele: You got me. He killed himself, and I cleaned up afterward. Detective: That's more like it. Sign here and you can leave.
They weaved in the suicide story to get her to change her story. Once they did that, they knew they had her. They just need the evidence to prove it all.
I love how these people when testifying or giving interviews “whimper” with no tears, then go back to normal. Then whimper, Normal. Whimper, Normal. Never any tears. It’s always the same whimpering without any feelings bubbling up.
I think the people that suffered the most in this story are her children. I actually feel sorry for them, could you imagine growing up with a woman like this as your mother. If you can blame one of your own sons for murder, what else were they blamed for while growing up. She's just plain evil & manipulative & finally got what she deserves.
I’m so confused with all these people killing their spouses. My husband died unexpectedly and I’m heartbroken. I would do almost anything just to hold his hand. I had 35 years and I’m grateful that he’s my human. These asses are evil. These people just throw people away. I just want my boring ass life back. I know where he’s at and that gives me comfort and I pretty sure I know where these killers will end up.
Bella, I’m saddened by your loss, and all the things you won’t be able to do with your husband in the future. I’ve been married 4 times, almost all of them great guys who I’m happy to still be friends with. Thankful that these psychopaths are few and far between, but it’s disturbing to say the least. Take care.
Girl I'm right here with ya I lost my boyfriend of 15yrs to a hit & run 7 months ago. It happened a mile & a half from our house. I want my boring ass life back too. More than fucking anything!!!!! I feel ya girl. I don't understand it either but my heart goes out to you❤
Hi, I totally understand, my hubby died suddenly on 20th october 2021.I didn't even get to say goodbye bless him. I miss him every second of every day, I had 17 and a half years with him that I am so grateful for but I would give anything to just do normal daily things together and be back in the world I belonged to with him not this new empty one without him ,take care hugs Dee xxx
On 2/10/22 my hubby had a cardiac cath test and failed miserably. Next day quadruple bypass. His birthday was on VD and due to come home. I woke up that day not feeling great and went to Patient First. Covid. Ugh!!! He spent another night in hospital then went to his sisters till that Sun. He turned 56. The doctors couldn’t believe he never had a massive heart attack on me. We have been together since 1990. My heart dropped hearing all this. They told me this was all genetic. (Both sides heart problems). I couldn’t imagine my life if he left me right now. I’m so sorry you lost your husband. It hurts you to the core!!! These people don’t value others. They don’t care about the other persons life. To shoot him in the head like that? It’s vile. May she never get out. She doesn’t deserve to breathe the same air we do.
Hi you, i am a retired nurse, i love my husband dearly. I would do anything to care for him forever. I get ya. I am awake tonight, hearing my beloved husband breathing in his sleep. We have been together for over 20 years, he is my love.
When you're so narcissistic that even though you already have a plea deal that guarantees your release in 5 years, you can't resist being on TV and land yourself 60 years .... 🤦♂️
Her inability to stick to a single story or admit her guilt and take the lighter sentence reminds me of Kathleen Soliah (aka Sarah Jane Olsen). She was a member of the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA), terrorizing California in the 1970's. She was eventually caught after 25 years on the run, hiding in plain sight. First she denies she is Kathleen Soliah, and she had a great following telling the courts it was sooooo long ago and she should be absolved, or they said she was not Kathleen. Then she realizes she could go to jail for a very, very long time because a security guard died in one of her gang's heists. So she agrees to plead guilty to a very minor charge, walks out of court, goes up to a microphone to greet her adoring fans. They were gobsmacked that she admitted to being Kathleen Soliah and a member of the SLA. Therefore, to placate them and retain her celebrated hero/antihero status, she claimed she wasn't Kathleen and wasn't actually guilty of anything. The judge called her back into court and yanked her plea deal. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot be both guilty and not guilty of the same crime. Do not play games with the justice system. Sociopath, party of one...person who thinks she's smarter than everyone else.
I remember the SLA. I was a kid, but understood most of their terror. Do you believe Patty Hearst was kidnapped, or joined willingly. I don't believe she was kidnapped.
I missed the point of her murdering him. Don't get me wrong, I believe she did it but I don't get the motive. He treated her well and had everything she wanted. Why? The insurance that maybe she'd get? She is a foolish and evil person.
She spent his money faster than he could make it and they were having money problems. She wanted to liquidate his assets and get his life insurance but that didn’t work so well.
Hearing about stories like this remind me that even families that seem to have it all could have some serious issues brewing beneath the surface. I've don't envy anyone, anymore. Thanks Mike!
That clicked me for when a girl stabbed her boyfriend to death in my town and if you go to her page, it's all about how she's a "handful but she loves hard" and more bullshit quotes about love
Same here. I’m lucky enough to have grown in what’s basically a mcmansionville (it’s got an old downtown, but everything else is mostly post-70’s mcmansion divisions, with some sprinklings of generic pre-80’s divisions), and I’ve grown from thinking “Aw man, I hope to have a big ass house and shit loads of money” (I partially grew up in a 60’s ranch), to now not even envying much beyond maybe their wealth/money, if they even actually have that and are not deep into debt just to have that flair of “See??? We’ve got it all, folks!”. Too much drama and bullshit we’d see from their otherwise “extravagant” lifestyles.... And yet, so many people think that achieving a similar lifestyle will actually solve their problems. 😶
Never stand in the way of an enemy when they are destroying themselves. This narcissist could have been out in 5 years but couldn't help herself and did that interview and landed herself 60 years. Bravo for stupidity!
Classic move by the interrogator to use the Alternative Question: "Did he kill himself and then you covered it up?" This is really just a ploy by the interrogator to get her to admit her original story was false. Then when the autopsy results contradict suicide, they know exactly who was responsible.
How the HELL did they postpone her sentencing without verifying her pregnancy? You know, I watch A LOT of true crime channels, this one is BY FARRRR the most entertaining!!!! 😂😂
@@Eeveelyn if i had to guess it would have been a high risk pregnancy so to avoid her losing them im sure they woulda backed off a touch, still shoulda confirmed it though :/
@@chowlinlow I didn't think about that but that makes sense. I just don't get how someone can simply claim to be pregnant and at high risk and not be checked by a doctor. It's so odd how she was treated in such a different way in so many aspects of her case.
I have seen my share of dumb criminals but this woman really outdid everyone else. She shot herself in the foot and then picked up her injured foot and stuck it in her mouth and gagged on it. That takes skill, you know. She's very special
Imagine your mother getting with your best friend who is 15 years younger than her after only a year or so of he last husbands death. Not often these cases involve women but holy shit when they do it’s twisted
Mike, I'm 67, my son is about to turn 36. He called me for my birthday yesterday and during our conversation he happened to mention that he loves watching a true crime RUclipsr. Seconds later, we realized he and I have both been watching you for about a year. It made me birthday even more special, realizing he and I both love YOUR humor and your excellent way of filling us in on a crime story. ❤
Hahaha, better late than never! Happy belated birthday, Lou!
Happy belated birthday!
Love this! Happy birthday 🎊
Happy birthday 🎂 🥳 for yesterday ..x
That? Is completely beautiful.
Happy birthday!
Killing his fish and poisoning his dog is a good indicator that she's not quite all there and best off running away as fast as possible.
Yeah. After my therapist told me that she put her fish in the freezer to painlessly euthanize them because she was moving, I was taken aback. I get that we kill fish all the time to eat them, but killing a pet seems different
People who are cruel to animals are always inclined to treat humans as badly when they think they can get away with it too. Animal abuse in a household is nearly always linked to domestic abuse against spouse and/or children.
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim I think I’d be looking for a new therapist!😳
@@lesleydickson7746 what’s strange is that otherwise she was a very empathetic and lovely lady. When my friend’s neighbors moved I took in their fish, even bought a second tank to separate them because the male bullied the female and had even taken her eye out before I got them. And I don’t even like fish!!!
They were fantail goldfish. Mad-Eye Tina outlived Bruce, she made it to 12 years cause I treated them well. People are ignorant and keep fish in tiny little tanks which is abvsive, that’s why they kill goldfish in months when they’re supposed to live over a decade
@@lesleydickson7746 If your therapist's name is Dr. Lecter, leave the State, change your name, don't look back.
I'm a hospice nurse. My favorite patient and I both watch your channel to unwind, so now we watch (I listen) together while I'm doing his treatments and caring for him. It's a nice if not a bit morbid way to bond with someone.
I’m a retired palliative care nurse, that connection is so important for both of you. I’m struggling a bit here to find the exact words, but it is about humanity, and keeping that alive. The person who is ill is still a person, and that can get a bit lost, in that they can become the illness and the person gets forgotten...I experienced this many, many decades ago when my best friend was diagnosed with breast cancer, a battle that sadly she ultimately lost at 34 after a valiant 6 year battle, and I’d get so angry on her behalf with all the people close to us, because she was being spoken of only in regards of her illness, and I’d think “her name isn’t cancer, her name is Kim”...probably why I ended up working in that field. And there is the part of how emotionally difficult hospice is....you don’t want to become clinical and detached, but at the same time you need to be able to keep doing your job...finding that halfway point that recognises that you are both human beings is key. Sounds like you are an awesome hospice nurse, and your patient is very lucky to have you..and another yay for Mike and ThatChapter! ☘️ God bless.
K, this made me cry 😭😭😭 like a baby. Sending love, light, and blessings. Thank God for people like you. My father did at home hospice. I just love this for you and your patient
@@virginiaviola5097 😭😭😭 sending you love and prayers
Bella I'm a home health aide, I totally get that. 💜🖤 Thank you btw we don't get that enough in our line 🥰
Just you saying "My favourite patient" gave me a warm hope for humanity. I thank you we need more people like you in nursing.. : )
How they didn't even make a pregnancy test before getting her out to house arrest, is mindblowing to me 🤨
I agree
The incompetence of law enforcement can never be underestimated.
I know! They just took her word for it and just let her out. How odd.
That is unbelievable to me.
She has manipulation skills. She's convinced men to marry her even though she has children. Not a lot of men are thrilled with that Prospect.
But I agree, you would think the courts would have tested her.
She hit herself in the face with a wrench.
Not hard enough, or enough times, unfortunately.
Why in the name of Captain James T Kirk would she do such a horrible thing like that to herself?
😂😂😂😂😂
She's smiling in the photo like heyyy I got hit with a wrench and my husband's dead yay
We're from North Texas and you hear a lot about us because we got a big ass state that used to be a big ass country, the lone Star State. The reason you can't have your cake and eat it too is self-evident you can either have your cake or you can eat it and once you eat it you don't have it anymore it's gone you've eaten it and will s*** it soon welcome to America.
@@mariakelly1059 because, Charlie, she's a nitwit 🤣
They didn't confirm she was pregnant? You know there's a test you can do and everything.
Right? They just took her word for it? What kind of circus are they running there?
Probably something to do with HIPPA laws, I’d assume.
@@whitneyangelie3682 there’s nurses and drs in every jail.
@@codyallensiebert They are NOT allowed to release her medical information to the courts without her consent though. That’s what HIPPA laws are for. And they can’t force a woman to take a pregnancy test either.
@@whitneyangelie3682 the jail can and will make u take a pregnancy test.
When looking up this case I found that another Michelle Williams killed another Greg Wiliams while he had fallen asleep and tried to say it was a robbery. The parallels between the two cases are super eerie.
Wow, you're right! Lots of similarities, except the other Michele Williams left a lot more incriminating evidence behind.
And then there is Michelle Williams, the actress, who played a role in
Dawson's Creek. 😏😏😂😂😂
@@marie_84 And Michelle Williams, the Destiny's Child singer.
@@abundance8074 who is destiny or her daughter?
@@marie_84 and that same Michelle Williams who played a role in Shutter Island where she killed all of her children. Incredible movie!
'So she had a young boyfriend, a fitness business, fun nights out, and, uh, court dates.'
I died.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
The young boyfriend is the only winner of this story, got to bang the milf and wasn't murdered.
@@stuckonmute9227 Now _that's_ _funny_ right there!
...and a yougourtbusiness!
I feel really sorry for her son's. I can't imagine knowing your own mother tried to set you up for murder charges. That kind of betrayal is horrific.
It always shocks me to hear 'parent's' throw their own kids under the bus to save themselves. Seriously WTAF is wrong with them! I've only heard of it a couple of times but, in both cases, it's been the 'mum'. Just proves what low life's they are.
And then she went ahead and dated her sons best friend 😅😓
The 'apostrophe' really took a hit in this comment thread, huh.
@@wilmz68 poor apostrophe....RIP. such a sad day.😆
@@wilmz68 🤣🤣🤣
Hey Mike!!! Its always a pleasure to see you again. Its like seeing an old friend. You always bring a smile to this senile old man. LOL
Haha thanks very much Christopher!
Oh honey, this is a Wendy's 😉
Rest in peace, Gregg!
Hi Dave!!!
@@mamacito1795 that meme doesn’t work here
The fact that she was able to delay going to prison because she was “pregnant” is such BS!!! I know several women who had to have their baby in jail or prison…and they were handcuffed to their hospital bed while giving birth! And those women weren’t in custody for murder, let alone anything violent! Why was Michelle so special?? It’s just crazy to me! On the other hand, I love this channel & you too Mike!
Did the other women have the same kind of $$$ for super annoying lawyers?
She had it made. Wealthy husband who loved her, loving kids, her own business. What a narcissist.
Women like this are not uncommon at all.
"She had it made" apart from a severe personality disorder. Eveeythiny in her life will be tainted , turn to shit, unless she's able to get superior topnotch of the line therapy and drugs, though the chances getting access and finding the one with the best outcome (oh and she has to want to actually help). No, she was always going to end up a killer or certainly would hurt anyone she crosses path with.
I think you're confusing the word narcissist with the word shithead.
Hey now, she has been deemed innocent by the court. That means she's obviously innocent.
It's fine. We're fine. People are safe with her on the loose. Male DV victims are treated fairly in the court.
@@aq1184 What are you talking about? She was found guilty. Did you even watch the video?
“You remember him? Michele tried to bone him in the attic.” I swear I almost died laughing 😂
If I saw her naked in the attic I'd immediately castrate myself!
@@michaelwight2289 😂😂😂😂oh shit😂😂😂😂considering who that nut it. I could understand that response 😂😂😂
(20:51) A criminal mastermind at work: "No one would ever suspect if we 'bone' up in the attic!"
That dog Michele seemed to always be desperately seeking male attention.
Absolutely true !
@@lynnestelle1996 English?
Can you make a video about Nick Cordova? He was shot and killed in his office back in 2020 during a FaceTime call with his wife and kids who saw everything. There is a very clear photo of the suspect, but still two years later, police have no leads. With your platform you could give this case a ton of exposure and potential help solve it.
This sounds both tragic and fascinating. I'd like to hear more on this too.
Where did this happen? What city and state?
I’ve never heard about this and i agree, these platforms can be the catalyst to justice.
shouting out this
If Nick Cordova was a white female with blonde hair the media would be all over it.
@@cherylrojo8270 Gilbert, Arizona
I laughed out loud at the end when Mike said "she was sentenced to 60 years in prison." Almost as much as I laughed at her eyebrows in that 48 Hours interview. 😂
And her snaggle front teeth! Good god! She looks old and haggered. Not the least bit attractive.
You know you've messed up when having your eyebrows perma-inked to resemble Surprised Pikachu is only the second-worst decision you've made in life.
😂😭
😆
Savage! True but savage 😂😂
😆😂
Rolling. Excellent comment.
When he says "My name is Mike" we all have to say "Hi Mike" back because we're all addicted to this channel.
✌️
I'm not the melting type but I do, just hearing him say that. Mike is so convivial.
I’m like “I know who you are, Mike! Wazzup!”
@@karaamundson3964 Convivial is officially the new word of the day, Thank you for helping to explained my vocabulary 🙂
So true!! Hi 👋 Mike!!
I'm sorry, are we supposed to believe that she woke up in the middle of the night thinking there was a break-in and she did NOT wake up her bodybuilder-husband?
that's probably why she changed her story to suicide
Not only that but what criminal just drops the murder weapon and the assault weapon on the ground after committing a crime?!
Yah, ``no diggity, no doubt!'' That, or I woulda woke up, said, ``wow, that was really loud,'' and went back to sleep, ha-ha! ``Probably a train derailed or a car crashed somewhere in the neighborhood.''
The moment I heard that I knew the story was total bullshit
That’s exactly what I thought at the beginning of all of this 😂
The fact that she says she got up to check on a possible intruder without waking her husband kinda gives her away quickly
Yeah, I don’t think even most man, if they had an adult partner in the bedroom, would just go check it out alone, and not wake the other person, to warn them that someone might be in the house, ask them to have a phone or gun ready, etc.
Re- Her getting up without waking partner..
Depends how eg independent or fearful by nature you are, or how deep ur partner sleeps etc maybe 🤷♀️..
I get up & check on stuff, quietly, by myself all the time..
I wouldn't wake my other half unless I definitely saw a time-sensitive danger..
Even with a danger that could wait I wouldn't wake him..
🤔 As far as with peeps I've known this is pretty normal..
🤔 With every comment anyone says "is not normal" , it's important to stop first and think
"is it though?”
Don't let the current popular narrative make you look upon objectively normal behavior as abnormal, as it's a slippery slope to where, one day, when most peeps do this ( innocently ) yours & others completely normal behaviour becomes a reason to label you unfairly "abnormal" too..
😁☮️🌏
@@claudiaarjangi4914 it's not normal by average standards. it's YOUR normal.
@@scoopwoop8196 Your point is my point.. If it's not about an "objective" right or wrong, then their choice is not "abnormal".. It's a personal belief of what I or you decide today is normal for us..
Which changes person to person.
So calling people "wrong" in these situations just means you shouldn't complain/ say anything when you get told you are "wrong" or "abnormal" for your individual non- objectively wrong choices..
It's sorta like calling someone wrong for having a different fave colour. You shouldn't complain if they say you are wrong in your choice of colour..
Or hats or jumpers etc..
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Oscar Pistoruis
I love that she's like "no I didn't do it- I only said I did because I could get a plea deal.. if I said I didn't do it I could get 50-100 years.." *gets 60 years after footage plays in court*
After her lawyer got her a good deal (unfair, but part of the justice system).
Karma can be truly beautiful in all its forms. When it takes an action that can only be by intelligent design, something we couldn't possibly think of, i have a little giggle at the sense of humour in the delivery of justice.😂
It amazes me how many people are slow enough to commit murders in their own home with their own weapon and then have the nerve to tell the cops…Yea somebody broke in, no weapon, took ours, knocked me out as is usually the case cause ofc I can’t remember anything and while im out I wake up to my significant other shot in the head and oh yea the robber that broke in who wasn’t really a robber because he didn’t take anything he also left the gun behind because duh why not you have to believe me officer I swear💀just absolutely the dumbest load of crap ever makes absolutely no sense. Robber comes in takes nothing kills husband leaves money guns and the wife behind…completely logical
Remember she thought she was smarter than everyone else. She is pathetic, a rock has more sense than her. Can’t fix stupid!
What also kills me is how long she got away with all of it. Is that because it was Texas I wonder?
@@christar9527 I gotta love how you say: "What kills me..." Irony! 😆
Yeah wow it's a tiny world and everyone isn't like you
and of course leaves a witness after showing theyre capable of murder.
This story is insane. Seriously how can anyone be so greedy. You'd think she would be grateful after struggling with her children after her first marriage. It's never enough for some people.
My mother’s family is like this.
she probably thought she was such a special little peach and deserved everything in the world. that everyone was just in the way. disgusting.
@@meilei8716 that really sucks, stay away from them that's toxic.
@@meilei8716 my mother is like this as well. She ended up with a similar fate to Michelle. It’s the best thing that could happen to the both of them. I hope you’re able to create distance between that side of your family and yourself, it’s hard to do but is definitely for the best ❤️
@@helene02184 im not trying to judge promiscious people, but ones like her are extremely dangerous, she wanted to sleep around with whomever yet wanted a "serious" relationship and was killing her exs who probably and sadly figured out her schemes and they lost their lives
I work as a housekeeper at a beach resort...and I love listening to "That Chapter" while I'm cleaning, doing laundry, taking out trash, restocking supply closets, ect. Although I do sometimes get weird looks when I answer questions out loud, or laugh randomly at the stupidity of the criminals/killers. Michele's "acting skills" in the police interview definitely made me laugh out loud!!! 😂🤣😂
I work front desk at a hotel in a beach resort town and I do the same thing 😂 (ocean city new jersey)
OMG I do the same thing 😂😂😂 ppl look at me like, who are you talking to 😂😂😂 I'm like oops I forgot nobody else can hear this
I’m a pet sitter and I do the same!😍
I am glad to hear that she played herself and got a longer sentence. What a horrible person. She had someone that was good to her and her greed and selfishness got in the way. He bought her a business but it was never enough. She deserves what she got and more. May she rot in prison.
She's a user...3 husbands....poor guys
Yeah, rot in prison with criminals Just. Like. Her.
Longer sentence? You mean she didn't get life? Oh right, this is America and she's a woman, makes sense.
@@bobjones4469 she initially didn't admit guilt and could have gotten a lighter sentence and she refused. She faked a pregnancy to delay sentencing. She tried to set up her son. She deserves what she gets.
I loved when she talked herself into a life sentence when she was basically in the clear. Most prosecutors wouldnt have give such a generous deal & she blew it. Most likely because she actually LIKED how that 48 hours interview came out, so she wanted to care about her public image more than her sentence. Which destroyed her image & her sentence! Very poetic
"You have to let me out of jail because I'm pregnant with twins at 44. No need to check, why would anybody lie to get out of jail?"
That's one hell of a legal system!
It's Texas, they love babies that don't even exist because some guy that doesn't exist up in the clouds talked to them... just a little crazy sandwich there in texas
Right???🤔
@@patinsley They believe in a baby fathered by that non-existing guy in a non-existing heaven which also never has proven to have really existed. So what? Uteri are holy to them. One way only, mind you. Sex is disgusting. Unless you produce babies.
@@patinsley you're full of it
@@ronnieallie8490 Full of what? Truth?
That was quite a satisfying ending. So many of these stories illustrate the difference between intelligence and wisdom. This man was intelligent enough to build wealth, but profoundly foolish to marry such an obvious and utter piece of trash.
I usually recoil at calling any human being 'trash' as we are all created in the image and likeness of God.
But in this case I'll allow it. : )
@@Zapp__Brannigan watch this channel enough, you’ll realize there are PLENTY of human piles of trash walking the streets.
Well said Sir !
The idiot couldn't stop lying 🙄 and she ended up with a life sentence instead of getting away with murder.
@@Zapp__Brannigan You obviously don’t know God, as your belief and the whole religion is mixed with Roman paganism.
Narcissists can escape a lot of consequences - until they can’t at which point their fragile ego guarantees they will rot in a cell. The teary “I’m not a killer” interview no one will remember was worth her life to her.
They can’t stop the spin and once there is a magnifying glass the spin is embarrassing at best.
I am addicted to this channel. The presentation is perfect. The right balance of humor and respect is maintained. Mike was able to make me interested in stories about crime where I otherwise had no interest. That's the power of a good storyteller and since I discovered this channel, I've watched...every single episode. Thank you for the work, Mike.
My favorite sentence-Let’s give it a goo.
SAME.
Watched every single episode myself lol LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE ONE !!! GOOD DAY MATE 😎
Well said!
He had me pissin laffin with his swearin. 😂
Great episode! I was disappointed with the shortest insurance dance ever but considering the insurance company cut her off,
cutting the dance short makes sense.
Ikr, actually that made my fuckin' day on a whole nother level
Yea it keeps getting shorter and shorter. I love it!
Hahaha
Ikr? I love the dance
@@matthewstahler6525 No, we want it much, much longer
If she’d focused as much energy on literally anything other than being a trapeze artist with men, swindling and spending other peoples money- she’d probably have a great quality of life.
So much of this.
Agree.
Can't take the trailer out of her
@@TheAcenightcreeper lol ???
I can only speak on the context of the video. It’s not ‘because she’s a woman’. She just happens to be a woman and is the subject of the video - she seems driven, greedy, enterprising. She could’ve done something else. I didn’t say she has redeeming qualities. Just that she could’ve used her cunning and fake crying to climb a different ladder that wouldn’t cost a man and children their lives. Not changing her personality, just REDIRECTING her energy. I don’t understand why you’re splitting hairs.
And I would say the same for any other sociopath/m*rderer. I also believe some people are just meant to be what they are, because there has to be another side to every coin. Have a great week!
Very doubtful.
"And from there the gravy train said, Choo Choo MotherF***er's!". I died, I think I cracked a rib I laughed so hard!🤣🤣🤣 God love ya hunny!!
That was hysterical!! 😂😂
That's how my mother is. Never left one without having another waiting in the wings. She was an abusive monster as well. I'm surprised she never murdered anyone. I thought she was going to murder me a few times. Been no contact with her for 10 years. She's dead to me. RIP 🧹
Unfortunately for some, blood isn’t always thicker than water. I hope you have found a great support system and good for you for knowing you don’t deserve that bullshit and moved on. 🖤
You described my Dad!
I know the feling
No contact in a Decade? Maybe she has killed a few people.
I know, my next door neighbor always rubbz his dogs red rocket on the window to agitate me and mi birds, we scream and scream at em but all he does is squeeze harder like it's a pastry bag.
That look on her face when the verdict came back...boy she realized at that moment the world didn't revolve around her 🤣🤣
Love your channel, it’s amazing to see how your confidence has grown. Your spit my coffee out funny.
I did the life insurance dance the either night to explain it. Good stuff
The confidence comes from his humongous 13.5" hanger!!!!
Right?!? He makes me make the weirdest noises I haven't heard before. (And when any other channel mentions life insurance, I see Mike 🕺)
If you was from America...you'd understand
What about Mike's spit is funny?
Looks like she’s gonna learn to live with those “ criminals” after all. That was really a can of worms to straighten out Mike. You did a good job.
weird that they didn't sentence her because she was pregnant. I work at the county jail and we have pregnant inmates and if they get sentenced they still go to prison, baby bump and all.
She is a manipulator. And she holds a booty pass.
Exactly! Diane Downs went though her whole trial pregnant. And just like this lady, tried to use her pregnancy as a tool for leniency
Maybe because she was in her forties and pregnant with twins. That's a very high risk pregnancy. It requires a lot more checkups and whatnot. Are prisons equipped to deal with that?
I was wondering why nobody bothered to check whether she was actually pregnant. If someone looking at two decades in jail told me something that could keep them out of there I'd definitely check the facts.
@@nessagirl1911 being in her 40s and pregnant with twins has nothing to do with it and neither does being high risk. All inmates needing specialized care are taken to outside facilities. We've had tons of pregnant junkies and they are considered "high risk" and they all get care while in custody. And im pretty sure a pregnancy test was performed, claims like those are not just taken at face value.
I was literally thinking the same thing. I was so confused on how tf she was so special that she didn’t have to be in jail 🤔🤔
I started watching Catching Killers on Netflix because I’m desperate for new true crime stuff but nothing compares to Mike and TC. ❤️
Yeah, me too. Just finished binge watching that. Bit of a disappointment.
Right! It fills the void but it’s not the same
Same!!!
Check out MrBallen on youtube. He and Mike avoid doing same stories, and Ballen is just as good a storyteller. Has like 300 vids, amd now a podcast. Need the 2 of them to collab soon!
Me too!!
I can recall the first time I heard Mike sign off his video case with "I love you" and how much that warmed my heart to know that genuine and kind people still exist in the world. For that Mike will always have my subs.
Mike is genuine, funny, & convivial to us, caring to the victims...
And punches like a ball-peen hammer on the perps.
It's a lovely combination.
@@karaamundson3964 I will never not laugh at the word “ball-peen”. Some of us never grow up lol!
@@karaamundson3964 he has a very unique sense and I enjoy how he attempts to balance the severity of some of his cases with blank stares and elongated sentences. His intro is ALWAYS different and I love not knowing how he will ask us to "Give it a go". 😉
There have definitely been times where I needed to hear I was loved, and Mike came through! Special guy.
Genuine and kind people do exist but clever public relations people also exist who will charm the socks off of you for subscribers.
This case gives me chills. I was in a relationship with a narsissictic, sociopathic, pathological liar that I unfortunately impregnated with twins.
The big problem was, she wasn't very good at her craft so I always caught her in lies a and she would NEVER admit that she was lying. I found out that she was sleeping with my brother for 4 years for money.
I left, trying to get my life put back together,. I do the best I can for my kids, and haven't looked back.
I miss my brother way more than I'll ever miss her.
I'll never speak to him again.
I don't care how hot the person is, there's lines you don't cross with your own blood.
That happened with my ex wife and probably my best friend and it’s the same. Years later I actually miss him but I’m still not forgiving him nor speaking to him.
I was about to say, Hope you cut that douche canoe too. Some people are cruel & selfish. Hope things have improved after losing the dead weight.
Its taken 20 years, but I speak with my sister, but not the ex husband. Nope.
@@notpub I think it’s worse for brothers for some reason. I can see some women maybe getting over it but not a single man would. EVER
We're twins your's?
I've never heard of being able to stay out of jail because you're pregnant. They put plenty of pregnant women in jail and treat them like absolute garbage.
I'm more surprised that they didn't seem to make her do a test to prove her pregnancy. Just sort of took her word for it.
@Taraji Probably not. Probably a pregnancy thing….probably
the title doesn't have master manipulator for nothing
She had money AND “clients”….. In addition to having the “Complexion for the protection, for the collection” in the state of Texas. 🤷🏾♂️
@@lisafoos8976 Well…… 🤣😂🤣
The first judge's eye roll...pure gold 😂 and the prosecutor's sarcastic green martians being guilty..boss level 💐
How sad for her kids to have a mother like that. My heart goes out to them
That's one thing that always blows my mind about some of these greedy monsters
It's one thing to plan this bullshit out and steal the kids parent away, but to also do it in the house with them permanently traumatizing them
There's even a few cases where they have the kid find the body, the doctor one and bible thumper creeper case, it's really messed up
Honestly though, YET again we have a "mastermind" who thinks they can BS the cops and willingly goes into the interview, even if she wasn't guilty they'd still browbeat her into confessing haha
That whole multiple story thing wouldn't happen if she just refused to talk to them haha, it isn't inherently suspicious
It's the kids that always suffer 😭
Yeah fr... she even tried to blame one of her son's for the murder 😬. Wow. How would that make u feel as her son...no wonder they went into the military to get away from dear ol "mom" as soon as possible.
Bet she spends the rest of her life in prison doin that hard time; no visitors, no one to answer the collect calls and no money on the books for commissary! Well deserved.
I have to wonder if they're any better than her Tonya.That old saying about the apple not falling far from the tree is true most of the time.
Hey Mike- Mark here from Oz (Melbourne). Must say I’m loving That Chapter.
I particularly enjoyed the Michele Williams piece. Having episodes that run for 20-30 minutes is just perfect. Keep up the great work
Hello fellow Australian 👋
"The gravy train said choo choo mother fers" 😂😂 the way you just drop these bits of hilarity is just fantastic! Keep it up Mike! I love you!
Yes! Lmao that was glorious 🤣 absolutely beautiful
@@somerandomperson5521 where is it?
Had me rolling! 😂😂😂
@@summertime35 it's towards the beginning, I had to replay it I got such a kick out of it
There was a lot of privilege on this case... Why didn't they have take a pregnancy test to ascertain if she is pregnant or not. I have also seen many cases were women have given birth in custody ... Why was she any different?? Why was her bond reduced?? She lied and tampered with evidence why wasn't she charged for that?? I felt like the first interrogation the cop was trying to coach her
I was thinking that I've seen a fair few instances where pregnant women have gone to jail and given birth.
Remember the black woman who was allowed to stay out of prison so she could support her Olympic gymnast daughter? Or the black teen who home invaded and murdered an elderly man admittedly “for fun” who was sentenced to probation (he also had to write an essay about how he would never do it again). I’m betting you didn’t. Would you say it was privilege that allowed such circumstances? The justice system is all over the place. You’ll find people of all varieties-ethnicity getting easy outs and others of all ethnicities who are treated unjustly.
@@7eyesopenwide168 the first case you mentioned, the black woman in question had a delayed prison sentence not "staying out of prison" and it was an embezzlement case, not a murder case (I'm not saying embezzlement is ok, I'm saying murder is worse). As for the second case you mentioned, I can't find it. Can you tell me how to find it?
also at no moment did L N say it's a white privilege thing, they just said it's a privilege thing and this is about a woman who married a rich man. Also, when it comes justice system and privilege, you have to look at statistics not individual cases to know if there's a problem. Sure you can find cases of any ethnicity getting lucky or the opposite, it doesn't mean that suddenly justice system as whole treats everyone equally.
@@7eyesopenwide168 It's more of "women's privilege" when it comes to justice system. I'm a woman btw and I feel like women often get off really easy, especially pretty ones 🙄
@@littletechn8175 race is bit complicated to say its about race,females defo get preferential treatment in murder cases which drives me mad
she absolutely played the entire justice system for fools.
I just want to say that your videos are the highlight of my week. Mike, and the writers, and camera people, and the editors of this channel...Thank you all. And anyone I didn't mention, because I'm not sure how this is put together, Thank you as well. We all love the That Chapter crew.
From my understanding, it’s all Mike! X
I’m pretty sure mike does this by himself, which is honestly amazing
Okay Mike you HAVE to tell us if you do all this by yourself. That’d be so impressive
Get a life for chrisake ….
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Fr lol. I like this channel but the highlight of my week???
Can you just imagine the defence attorney, getting her such a great deal and then she opens her mouth...
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@@SouthPawGirlie NDN 🙄
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Shows people have the right to remain silent but not the ability to!
The editing is just so superb, but subtle one might almost miss it.. That look of the judge, that eyeroll from the juror, the life-insurance-party-music cut off. just so perfect.
Yes! Mike's observation of detail is amazing. Especially when cranking out two videos a week!!
Oh absolutely! Subtle but so brilliant 😆 ( That toothy smile Mike did, just like her’s LOL 5:41 )
I suggest that Mike keeps the full insurance policy bit in everytime please. It's the best part. Also if you want to get out of those tree regions and try a new state look up and do a vid about Shanda Shayer. It's a big one
Went from her thinking she would be out in 2 years to 60 years - is what she deserves
Imagine my utter SHOCK at learning he had a big fat life insurance policy!
I'm a 60 year old woman and I am a construction worker. I work in the hot Florida sun ( yes, I live in Florida. I know) anyway, I love nothing better than to come home from work and watching your videos! It's the highlight of my day!!! Thank you Mike! You Rock!!!!
Mad respect!!!!
@Jay Browne Been there-Done that!
I would LOVE to go to Florida. Disney, alligators and the craziest crazy in All of America, sounds wildly entertaining. ❤️❤️
I hope you’re never in one of those videos. Please please please stay safe there.
@13th Dwarf lol
I can just imagine her antics in prison now - having affairs with guards, destroying their lives, pretending to get pregnant even though she's well into her 50's by this point. Judge would be like, ''Ms. Williams, you've been in menopause for a bit now, so you can't be pregnant.'' Michele: 'Yeah, but it was a super menopause; the kind that puts babies in ya - so can I get out of jail now, my menopause babies need me.''
Lmfao XD 10/10 (y)
Actually it is possible for women in their 50s to get pregnant. But carry on....
@@pickiesmccoy6816 The point is she'd claim the impossible, and expect to be believed.
@@pickiesmccoy6816 shit, Daryll Hannah is currently pregnant with Neil Youngs baby...AT 61!
@@bethanyhanna9464 My point was, it wasn't impossible. Which part was beyond your comprehension skills?
Hey Mike, I couldn’t decide which crimetuber i was gonna watch tonight but your always the winner brother
Notice how no actual tears were shed every time she's on camera.
Yup,That's Always A Good Indicator. 🙂
@@ExtraterrestrialExcrement she looks like my ex and sounds like her but its not lol ...she wasnt a piece of shit like her thou...she was just jealous
Oh she was probably very convincing to all with dikk in the brains, because it seemed like she got away with so much with ease.
That doesnt really make a difference, everyone doesnt react the same. Some ppl just dont cry- or cry often. You cant expect anyone to "act" a certain way. Ive gone to funeral after funeral since high school (many of them were for friends that died while we were in high school- suicides, car accidents etc) & havnt ever cried at any funeral including theirs. I had 2 dogs that I'd had for 13yrs both die within 5 months of each other a few years ago & dont remember crying. The only time(s) I ever recall crying is when Ive been extremely mad & couldnt do anything about it
@@kristiskinner8542 the point isn’t that someone doesn’t cry, but that they are making the sounds and facial expressions for crying, but no tears are actually flowing. It’s a desynchronization in body language indicative of deception. Yeah, some people actually cannot produce tears for various medical/medication reasons, but there’s no reason to assume that here.
I was happy being criminally ignorant living in Ontario....then I started watching That Chapter 😳
The way she was trying to describe what happened reminded me EXACTLY of how Sherri Papini explained things. Same cadence and mannerisms. Crazy….
Oh wow so she does! Creepy! And by the WAY! I love love love your username! 😂😂😂
It's no crime to be married twice, be a narcisstic sociopath, etc. But when you said she poisoned her 2nd husband's dog when he insisted on a divorce after he caught her cheating, that is a crime. That dog probably trusted her, and would have looked after her and out for her. I hope she never, ever gets out. Ever.
Yeah I'm with u. Killing a dog is the lowest form of scumbaggery.
narcissistic sociopaths often have a history of animal abuse, so
Completely agree!! Don’t bring dogs into your messy relationships!!
Let her rot!!!
@@adamgardiner5869 killing dogs is awful, but if you think that's the lowest form of scumbaggery, you are living some sheltered life friend
Yes, and the fish... What an evil persona... 😡
Fun fact, one reason "Flordia Man" is so famous is because Florida has fewer rules to protect criminal privacy than other places lol
Love seeing a toxic liar like this get exactly what they deserve through nothing but self-destruction. She was so accustomed to manipulating her way through life, she thought she could get away with it forever. Time after time, she made it worse by trying to evade even the accountability that was far too lenient for her. People who live their life avoiding all accountability deserve worse than prison.
She belongs in politics, of course she would get away with it for 50 years...like somebody else we know.
Narcissists who kill people usually think they're smarter than everyone else. But they are stupid enough to actually think they can get away with murder. With forensics today and DNA technology the chance of actually getting away with hurting someone is growing increasingly smaller. The big issue in the 70s and 80s was everytime the police got close to catching someone they could just leave the state and law agencies didn't communicate. Today you leave tiny pieces of you everywhere you go and with phones, dashcams, doorbell cameras you can't go anywhere without someone catching you on video.
Glad this toxic pos with the crazy eyes finally got locked up. She was good for nothing good really. Chronic lying and having sex were her specialties. Yuk.
Huh
@@brickhouse3282
Yip, politicians get away with bare face lying their whole careers .. implementing policies that affect all of us badly..yet they never face retribution for crimes against humanity .. we can only hope 🙏 karma catches up .
I’m oddly still shocked when people think they are smarter than authorities 🤦🏼♀️
Well to be fair some are but we don't hear about it. Also some get away with serious crimes but their ego gets them caught by getting sloppy.
Narcissism is a helluva drug!
These authorities weren't smart at all
Often times it's that authorities are lazy, dumb and corrupt......
Or they screw up a case because they are connected to the suspect in some way. Those cases are so disheartening especially when an innocent is locked up.
I love when I stumble onto a video you posted I haven't viewed. It's like finding 20 dollars in the clothes washer.
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Nothing quite like stepping on your own crank with the golf shoes THAT HARD.... She just kept on doing it to herself over & over & over again.
My parents used to say, "as you go through life, you are going to meet various idiots, but a complete idiot is quite rare!" Well, she's one and got just what she deserves!
Your parents knew of what they spoke.
Watching her self destruct with her lies was everything she deserved. Hopefully she never gets out.
RIP to him and I hope his children can heal.
I can’t believe they let her delay her prison sentence because she was pregnant without confirming her pregnancy was real. 🤦🏼♀️
Kinda amazing they never confirmed it, lol
My thoughts exactly
And even if the pregnancy was real...how many women are pregnant and give birth in prison...why is she so special? Lol (rich...white..) lmao
@@Tastykake83lol My jaw was pretty much on the ground during this whole segment. It reminded me of that Dave Chappelle's skit where the white guy was able to basically come in whenever he wanted to and Turn himself in.
ESP at her age!!
I have never seen someone fake tears worse than her.
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Mike is a fantastic storyteller. He keeps honing his craft and getting better.
Turdy turdy
And the way he roasts the killers, chefs kiss 💋
@@GamingIncMasterTroll tree times on the turdy-ith
@@GamingIncMasterTroll Turdy tree **
@@morganpettipas9198 tru aktully
Mike, just wanted to let you know that for the first time in my life I turned on notifications and it was for your channel. I know it's like "wow some guy on the internet turned on notifications" but seriously I don't do that for everyone, literally just you! Hope you or anyone reading has a fantastic day!
same! also, my first and only Patreon ever :) you and everyone have a good day too!
Firstly that 911 call was pathetic.
Secondly her 'crying' was just as unbelievable. Not even one tear.
She lost me when she said she heard a noise like someone was breaking in and she got up to investigate. Since when has that ever happened? A 200+ lbs man who most likely owns 47 guns (TEXAS) is laying next to you and you the woman don't try and wake him up, and just go confront a possible armed robber. yeah right.
Whether you're innocent or guilty, when the cops start getting verbally aggressive, insisting that you're guilty, the only words out of your mouth should be, "I need to speak to my attorney."
facts
Yeah and if you're considering doing an interview on national TV while being indicted for murder, also - consult your attorney.
Say "I invoke the 5th Amendment" and say nothing else until you get a lawyer.
Uh...actually, If I've learned anything from Mikes videos it is...
1-Never talk to the cops without an attorney present even if you have nothing to hide...and ...
2-Never take out life insurance on yourself unless you want to die!
Yep. Facts y'all
The fact that she was convicted by her own words after receiving the deal of a lifetime and almost getting away with murder makes me 100% believe in karma.
what i dont get it--... why didnt they go initially with trial by jury anyway? i mean they still had the same evidence...?
Or stupidity.
@@lilyesp5652 Maybe her changing stories some more and faking pregnancy was enough to cast her in doubt.
@@jonathanlgill Basically this; in the US you need beyond a reasonable doubt and if the jury is hung, there's a mistrial, or something similar she could walk and leave immune to further prosecution (for this case.)
It's the reason Rittenhouse was acquitted despite.... everything...
How cool is that !! Mike's a cool lass
Thx Mike. This one was disturbing. It was oozing out of her pores that she was lying and ironic that she got a sweet deal, and messed all that up.
The Defeat by karma packs the ultimate punch.
Karma and narcissism.
Defeat by karma. That’s a good one. Haven’t heard that. Good on ya!
@@manwithnoname3024 Thx MwNN. Have a great week😊
Not what ironic means but sure
@@quantumjourney1 Ironic is when someone definitely expects events or in this case ( a murder) to go in their direction but the result goes completely sideways. Usually because of their own doings.
(Basically Confident Expectations that don't work out for that person) is an ironic position.
Ah yes, that saying about the cake :) I like the original version ("You can't eat your cake and have it too.") much better, because the meaning is more clear when put that way.
My mothers name is also Michelle williams and she went to prison for 20 years for 2 counts of attempted murder. She cut 2 ppls throats 😐
Shes out now and lives in Utah
That's crazy! Hope she's doing better mentally now. 🙏
Were you hoping Mike was gonna tell your mom’s story?
Damn if we learned anything stay away from Michelles
😱great God I'm so sorry!
I always think about the children in these cases...I hope with all my heart that you have found a safe & loving place to be.
Sending peace & love ❤
I live in utah. 😳
Do you happen to know where she is in utah? Or should I just avoid all michelle's for the rest of my life?
“And Michele… she was a very SECKSUAL woman…” the look on your face when you said that was hilarious. The laughs make the storytelling that much better.
Ya he’s gei
Secksual 😂😂😂
@@indieandchristyfeltman5510 Yes, that part was funny.
@@mollyk5557 , I was thinking that also.
@lisa foos ,,, Cause men find store mannequins attractive , that's why 😇😇😇
Detective: Your story doesn't add up. The way we see it, either you killed him or he killed himself.
Michele: You got me. He killed himself, and I cleaned up afterward.
Detective: That's more like it. Sign here and you can leave.
Dwight privilege 🤦♀️
They weaved in the suicide story to get her to change her story. Once they did that, they knew they had her. They just need the evidence to prove it all.
Most cops are dumb af
They knew from the jump that she did it. She walked right into their trap. I love watching dumb murderers
I love how these people when testifying or giving interviews “whimper” with no tears, then go back to normal. Then whimper, Normal. Whimper, Normal. Never any tears. It’s always the same whimpering without any feelings bubbling up.
I think the people that suffered the most in this story are her children. I actually feel sorry for them, could you imagine growing up with a woman like this as your mother. If you can blame one of your own sons for murder, what else were they blamed for while growing up. She's just plain evil & manipulative & finally got what she deserves.
I’m so confused with all these people killing their spouses.
My husband died unexpectedly and I’m heartbroken.
I would do almost anything just to hold his hand.
I had 35 years and I’m grateful that he’s my human.
These asses are evil.
These people just throw people away.
I just want my boring ass life back.
I know where he’s at and that gives me comfort and I pretty sure I know where these killers will end up.
Bella, I’m saddened by your loss, and all the things you won’t be able to do with your husband in the future. I’ve been married 4 times, almost all of them great guys who I’m happy to still be friends with. Thankful that these psychopaths are few and far between, but it’s disturbing to say the least. Take care.
Girl I'm right here with ya I lost my boyfriend of 15yrs to a hit & run 7 months ago. It happened a mile & a half from our house. I want my boring ass life back too. More than fucking anything!!!!! I feel ya girl. I don't understand it either but my heart goes out to you❤
Hi, I totally understand, my hubby died suddenly on 20th october 2021.I didn't even get to say goodbye bless him. I miss him every second of every day, I had 17 and a half years with him that I am so grateful for but I would give anything to just do normal daily things together and be back in the world I belonged to with him not this new empty one without him ,take care hugs Dee xxx
On 2/10/22 my hubby had a cardiac cath test and failed miserably. Next day quadruple bypass. His birthday was on VD and due to come home. I woke up that day not feeling great and went to Patient First. Covid. Ugh!!! He spent another night in hospital then went to his sisters till that Sun. He turned 56. The doctors couldn’t believe he never had a massive heart attack on me. We have been together since 1990. My heart dropped hearing all this. They told me this was all genetic. (Both sides heart problems). I couldn’t imagine my life if he left me right now. I’m so sorry you lost your husband. It hurts you to the core!!! These people don’t value others. They don’t care about the other persons life. To shoot him in the head like that? It’s vile. May she never get out. She doesn’t deserve to breathe the same air we do.
Hi you, i am a retired nurse, i love my husband dearly. I would do anything to care for him forever. I get ya. I am awake tonight, hearing my beloved husband breathing in his sleep. We have been together for over 20 years, he is my love.
When Mike uploads and you have the afternoon off, you know it’s a good day.
Thanks for always supplying, Mike! ❤️
It's cold outside, but having a goooo of this new upload.
Yes! Or even during work if it's slow I love filling the time with a new episode!
I literally laughed for minutes with tears coming out of my eyes when the mugshots of the Floridians were shown. Omg 😅😅😅
When you're so narcissistic that even though you already have a plea deal that guarantees your release in 5 years, you can't resist being on TV and land yourself 60 years ....
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Her inability to stick to a single story or admit her guilt and take the lighter sentence reminds me of Kathleen Soliah (aka Sarah Jane Olsen). She was a member of the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA), terrorizing California in the 1970's. She was eventually caught after 25 years on the run, hiding in plain sight. First she denies she is Kathleen Soliah, and she had a great following telling the courts it was sooooo long ago and she should be absolved, or they said she was not Kathleen. Then she realizes she could go to jail for a very, very long time because a security guard died in one of her gang's heists. So she agrees to plead guilty to a very minor charge, walks out of court, goes up to a microphone to greet her adoring fans. They were gobsmacked that she admitted to being Kathleen Soliah and a member of the SLA. Therefore, to placate them and retain her celebrated hero/antihero status, she claimed she wasn't Kathleen and wasn't actually guilty of anything. The judge called her back into court and yanked her plea deal. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot be both guilty and not guilty of the same crime. Do not play games with the justice system. Sociopath, party of one...person who thinks she's smarter than everyone else.
She is now free though.
The death penalty is meant for vile, unrepentant people like her.
VERY WELL SAID 😁
I remember the SLA. I was a kid, but understood most of their terror. Do you believe Patty Hearst was kidnapped, or joined willingly. I don't believe she was kidnapped.
@@roxannemoser She was definitely kidnapped. That was never in question.
What a genuinely vile, irredeemable person.
I just about choked when you said Ontario. No wonder I hate living here lol.
I missed the point of her murdering him. Don't get me wrong, I believe she did it but I don't get the motive. He treated her well and had everything she wanted. Why? The insurance that maybe she'd get? She is a foolish and evil person.
She spent his money faster than he could make it and they were having money problems. She wanted to liquidate his assets and get his life insurance but that didn’t work so well.
Two things, how messed up can humans be & how incompetent can some of these police investigations be. Well I’m just happy that justice was served
Hearing about stories like this remind me that even families that seem to have it all could have some serious issues brewing beneath the surface. I've don't envy anyone, anymore. Thanks Mike!
That clicked me for when a girl stabbed her boyfriend to death in my town and if you go to her page, it's all about how she's a "handful but she loves hard" and more bullshit quotes about love
@@tl5399 crazy a f
It happens quite a lot. They are putting on an act for the public.
@@christar9527 They sure do. And the fact that they can keep the act going (in some cases is years) is mind boggling...
Same here.
I’m lucky enough to have grown in what’s basically a mcmansionville (it’s got an old downtown, but everything else is mostly post-70’s mcmansion divisions, with some sprinklings of generic pre-80’s divisions), and I’ve grown from thinking “Aw man, I hope to have a big ass house and shit loads of money” (I partially grew up in a 60’s ranch), to now not even envying much beyond maybe their wealth/money, if they even actually have that and are not deep into debt just to have that flair of “See??? We’ve got it all, folks!”.
Too much drama and bullshit we’d see from their otherwise “extravagant” lifestyles.... And yet, so many people think that achieving a similar lifestyle will actually solve their problems. 😶
Thank you,Mike your old videos🎉 mean a lot
Never stand in the way of an enemy when they are destroying themselves. This narcissist could have been out in 5 years but couldn't help herself and did that interview and landed herself 60 years. Bravo for stupidity!
@Your Uncle's Mailmam I've always been curious, do dogs really like biting mailmen's asses or just the pricks?
@Your Uncle's Mailmam No need to be an asshole.
I believe she would have done herself in one way or another, but at least whoever was her next victim is now safe.
Classic move by the interrogator to use the Alternative Question: "Did he kill himself and then you covered it up?"
This is really just a ploy by the interrogator to get her to admit her original story was false. Then when the autopsy results contradict suicide, they know exactly who was responsible.
Reid techniqueeeeeeeee love to see it
Great technique. Makes them think they have a way out.
“She’s not a career criminal.”
It’s true, murder is her hobby.
When she said she got up to check on the intruder/strange noise, while her husband slept: i assumed she was lying
Hey you
And welcome
My name is Mike!
@@MilliPSN His name is Mike.
Let’s give it a goooo
How the HELL did they postpone her sentencing without verifying her pregnancy? You know, I watch A LOT of true crime channels, this one is BY FARRRR the most entertaining!!!! 😂😂
Also it's common to have pregnant women in jail. I don't get why they postponed the sentencing in her case.
@@Eeveelyn if i had to guess it would have been a high risk pregnancy so to avoid her losing them im sure they woulda backed off a touch, still shoulda confirmed it though :/
@@chowlinlow I didn't think about that but that makes sense. I just don't get how someone can simply claim to be pregnant and at high risk and not be checked by a doctor. It's so odd how she was treated in such a different way in so many aspects of her case.
@@Eeveelyn yes that too! Like wth?!
@@chowlinlow oh yea, I thought that may be the reason why they let her go home.
YES! So satisfied with the ending. Phew, so many twists and suspense!
I have seen my share of dumb criminals but this woman really outdid everyone else. She shot herself in the foot and then picked up her injured foot and stuck it in her mouth and gagged on it. That takes skill, you know. She's very special
Imagine your mother getting with your best friend who is 15 years younger than her after only a year or so of he last husbands death. Not often these cases involve women but holy shit when they do it’s twisted
I know there are more men who murder, but I agree the cases are almost always more interesting and wild when it’s women who kill.