100% prediction accuracy so far, Am i being to bold with this prediction you think ? Subscribe and lemme know below x Also as a fellow hardcore franchise fan if your going to hate me for choosing freya over Kain please acknowledge i said arguably . I didnt say definitively im aware this is a debate :P
Haha yeah I get that , northern / British and when I tried to slow it down I got told off by the community who likes the little big personality character
Dragoon Jumps have had so little animation lock that its basically negligible for almost a year now, and the large amount of OGCDs is part of what I like about playing it. I really hope SE doesnt fuck it up. Also look I like Freya but to argue that shes more iconic than Kain is actual crazytalk when "Kain's Lance" is one if not THE best spear in at least 3 mainline titles, including Freya's own game, and multiple spinoffs
I said "arguably" acknowledging people have different opinions. I would however bet my house Freya is more known then Kaine outside of hardcore franchise fans. And judging by the response so far I think I'm right. ( I am also a hardcore franchise fan though i personally woudnt call him more iconic )
When I heard that I had a record scratch moment. Maybe its because I'm over 40, but Kain is who I think of when I hear Dragoon. Do people really think of Freya as the iconic Dragoon? *insert Principle Skinner meme*
I am all for FFIX's precious little mouse making a reappearance, but i must admit, I've always feared that burmaceans were a forgone hope due to the qiqirn and qitari.
I thinkt here more proof then preventitive tbf ! She doesnt have to be a complete likeness. People forget Cait Sith made an appearance in ffxiv. Still a cat but differant
I can see it with the job gadge... Could also see them having it mess with the aura too... Don't expect to let dragoon give a Regen though.. gdi WHENS THE ff9 announcement!! I needed it
What are you smoking Dragoon is by far the most fun melee dps in the game. Sure we can't fight in midair- very few games let you though, and FF14 sure isnt made for it.
Ain’t got any carrots or strawberries to pay off the lop mafia best I can do is cabbages. Spending resources for jumps like red mage does for slashing is an interesting idea It would certainly help in situations where you burn your gap closer for extra DPS without feeling as awkward if you get a set knock back mechanics.
I'll be honest, with no prior experience with previous FF dragoons, I always thought Dragoon in 14 was a decent class - definitely slow at lower levels but once it hit that 70 - 80 it took off and feels great to play. I didn't even know it was getting a rework. But maybe its just because Drg was the DPS I started the game off as and leveled fully. That being said, if it is getting a rework, I hope it feels as powerful as Reaper does when using enshroud.
Its just dated. I feel bad for dragoon in general cause its basically impossible to give us a real dragoon in an mmo because of its focus on aerial combat. Im glad its getting looked at though and hopefully theyll give it more flabour
I don't play the class currently, but I love spears/pole arms. I think it would be great if Dragoons transitioned to becoming Dragon Knights as out poster boy has been moving that way since Stormblood. Another poster here mentioned its not likely they'll have a regen, but it 'd be cool if a regen became a raid buff.
I just think its lining up so perfect for ff9 to make so many changes moving forward. Im trying to believe in this prediction so hard that it manifests XD
Honestly, I'm looking forward to the Dragoon overhaul. Like the summoner and scholar, it's one of those classes where the devs really can't decide which way to go with it. They really do need a solid AOE attack before 40. >_> Side note, I find it hilarious that despite how far he runs from krille and tataru, our captain of fan service never seems to be able to escape them for long. 😁
I love this idea! Showing love to Zepla was awesome! I would love to see Freya in FF14 or our Universes version of her! Great vid, keep up the good work! ;)
Haha yeah i adore zepla she is a bean, I thought it would be funny to make people think i was about to do my typical insult thing but then spin it into a compliment haha
The visuals being based on someone doesn't make them the most iconic to the fan base . I think you'll find more people leaning toward for Freya then Kain . Tbf he was also fairly generic for his time also the quote was " Arguably "
which makes no difference what so ever ? Are you really this mad i didnt say Kain. He was from the sprite era outside of hardcore fans most people now are to young to even no who he is compared to Freya. Stop being salty on the internet my guy i said " arguably " for a reason
@@MythSamaelFFXIV You are the one who sound mad. Relax bro. Just because you are too young to know Kain doesnt mean he isnt the superior iconic dragoon. Most people are too young to even KNOW WHO FREYA IS. Hahaha
Yeah, DRG Rework is needed. I'll hold my opinions on whether its good or not. People hear rework and they spaz the f out due to Astro and SMN EW Reworks. I'm not too worried in the job being made simpler though, since Yoshida said he's made the game too "stress-free" in which I think he meant challenge.
Tbh i play atm Dragoon very often in the last weeks/months but yeah.. I hope the make Dragoneye to something like the Dancepartner, the current Dragoneye with Macro is absolutly awful to play even for someone like me with a good ping (under 40ms). I hate to double weave macros, i was thankfull for the salted earth rework on DRK in EW (stop lie to yourself in 99 of 100 fights you can place the aoe on the spot where you stand and you have no problems.. that is just a lazy attempt to copy "Death and Decay" from the WoW Deathknight) The other thing is Stardiver, all jumps has animation locks but you can double weave them with good ping.. its possible to use one jump and one "normal" oGCD even if you have a 100 Ping or even use two jumps like the normal gap closer and the "Fire Gap Closer" with rly good ping.. but Stardiver.. even if the Animation is cool as fuck ngl the oGCD is a disaster.. its impossible to double weave even with a very good ping and 2.5 GCD.. and always a early weave because a late weave will ruin your GCD Uptime. And the last point.. imagine you have to play a DPS with.. Kaiten but it dont cost gauge but have 40s CD.. No Mercy or Fight or Flight from GNB/PLD.. a raid wide dps buff and Devilment from Dancer but you have to use a Macro or target switching to give it also another Player.. sounds fun right? Thats the current Dragoon
I feel this in my soul , obviously I didn't go to complicated into how broken it feels right now cause I aim to make these videos approachable to players of every skill level but I'm hoping the rework is a fix aswell
@@MythSamaelFFXIV what exactly was the "rework"? They removed a dive that already did what they said the move was gonna turn Into, a gap closer. The move was already already a gap closer with the damage. What they're doing is just removing an entire damage ability from dragoons kit. There was no point in removing the damage. It also makes no sense considering dragoons lore.
Dragoon plays just fine. You have two melee combos that make perfect sense for their role, 3 jumps for various roles being fulfilled, and a resource spending combo that also makes sense. If I had to rework dragoon I would remove one of the jumps, probably spine, and make the other two added into a combo likely replacing vorpal thrust since it does nothing currently. I’d then replace doom spike with the other jump, the AoE one. Afterword you can remove Geirskogul and replace it with Nastrond entirely, then disabling the ability until your second charge of the eye is actually available. This cleans up the job pretty well I think.
Did they fix Jump? It was my favorite dragoon move. Now it’s this lame teleport thing… I come back to the game today after being gone and they ruined jump in my opinion. It use to look really cool and was fun to pull off. Not today though.
@@MythSamaelFFXIV I like the old animation. It looked cool. The move need not be quick, but it should look awesome and be fun to use. That’s what drew me to job to begin with.
@@xNightHawk32 what about being able to control when you land and have it feel more classic. also massively boost our biggest jump's damage. no way it should ever be on par with true thrust which animation doesnt inspire a whole lot of "wow". at least to me
shadowbringers dragoon was literally perfect no I do not care that it wasn't jumping Blood of the Dragon's decaying meter was rewarding and generated adrenaline give it back.
No... shes not anymore, sorry. I just want Dragoon to be... a Dragoon. Like the ones in the HW trailer. I refuse to believe the devs couldnt make the drg airborne most of the time during battle, after all: Aion managed that back in 2007! No excuse there :P Anyway, I dont expect a groundbreaking rework... but I just want something appropriate to the job fantasy. Right now, drg is a guy with a spear who happens to have more gapclosers than the other jobs - except mnk.
I agree completely there needs to be more aerials that aren't just ogcds . Just a shame it is an mmo I really don't no how else they do that without a 3d battle space
@@MythSamaelFFXIV Hmmm... how about finisher combos in the air? Those would be normal gcds and neednt be animation locked... Ah well, we will see in two months how the rework is done.. when they release the job trailer ^.^
"...dragoon can never feel like a real dragoon in an mmo. it's basically umpossible to have an aerial specialized dps in an mmo without a 3d battlespace." correction, it is not possible in the kind of mmo that ffxiv is. with an action combat system it is very possible to have a 3d battlespace.
What's the correction , u just agreed with me ? I said it's basically impossible to have an aerial specialised DPS in an mmo without a 3d battle space Your correction was an action combat system could have a 3d battlespace...but that doesn't correct any of my point lol?
@@MythSamaelFFXIV since you just said "in an mmo" in the first part, i assumed that you meant that mmos in general couldn't have 3d battlespaces with the second part
I did say arguably :P Though i think so yes. Whilst Kaine is iconic to the mega franchise fans, Freya is more popular and known to more casual fans who werent alive / playing during the sprite era.~ Im a hardcore fan and i generally prefer freya for her aesthetics, and story.
Fair enough. Just see kain I’m way more promotional art and even before I ever knew or played final fantasy i recognized Kain without knowing his name or anything else. When I even think of a dragoon his look and armor immediately come to mind for me
Its all part of the character I like to portray. My style isn't for everyone, but thanks for assuming your opinion of it was a blanket everyone was under. Totally not toxic :)
100% prediction accuracy so far, Am i being to bold with this prediction you think ? Subscribe and lemme know below x Also as a fellow hardcore franchise fan if your going to hate me for choosing freya over Kain please acknowledge i said arguably . I didnt say definitively im aware this is a debate :P
I'm glad you added subtitles, because it is a pain in the ass to me to understand what you say
Haha yeah I get that , northern / British and when I tried to slow it down I got told off by the community who likes the little big personality character
The most iconic dragoon in the series?
Kain: “am I a joke to you?”
Hey I said "arguably" and unfortunately there is an entire generation that never played the sprite games !
Estinien is literally a Kain cosplayer, even has a similar moral ambiguity arc, switching between being a protagonist and antagonist.
Dragoon Jumps have had so little animation lock that its basically negligible for almost a year now, and the large amount of OGCDs is part of what I like about playing it. I really hope SE doesnt fuck it up.
Also look I like Freya but to argue that shes more iconic than Kain is actual crazytalk when "Kain's Lance" is one if not THE best spear in at least 3 mainline titles, including Freya's own game, and multiple spinoffs
I said "arguably" acknowledging people have different opinions. I would however bet my house Freya is more known then Kaine outside of hardcore franchise fans. And judging by the response so far I think I'm right. ( I am also a hardcore franchise fan though i personally woudnt call him more iconic )
When I heard that I had a record scratch moment. Maybe its because I'm over 40, but Kain is who I think of when I hear Dragoon. Do people really think of Freya as the iconic Dragoon? *insert Principle Skinner meme*
@@wraithalcon I'm only 25 so safe to say it's not an old person thing lmao, glad I'm not the only one
I am all for FFIX's precious little mouse making a reappearance, but i must admit, I've always feared that burmaceans were a forgone hope due to the qiqirn and qitari.
I thinkt here more proof then preventitive tbf ! She doesnt have to be a complete likeness. People forget Cait Sith made an appearance in ffxiv. Still a cat but differant
Don't forget that we have two playable cat-person races.
I can see it with the job gadge... Could also see them having it mess with the aura too... Don't expect to let dragoon give a Regen though.. gdi WHENS THE ff9 announcement!! I needed it
I to need it, the leak suggests its a softer remake with THE OLD COMBAT SYSTEM !
@@MythSamaelFFXIV even better!!!!
The only character we need to represent Dragoon is our boi Estinien! (he's the Azure Dragoon!)
He's pretty much just fan service since heavenward though he needs more development
What are you smoking Dragoon is by far the most fun melee dps in the game. Sure we can't fight in midair- very few games let you though, and FF14 sure isnt made for it.
I'm inclined to disagree hence it's being reworked this expansion . It's Hella janky ATM and could use the ework
Ain’t got any carrots or strawberries to pay off the lop mafia best I can do is cabbages.
Spending resources for jumps like red mage does for slashing is an interesting idea It would certainly help in situations where you burn your gap closer for extra DPS without feeling as awkward if you get a set knock back mechanics.
they wont let me leave :'(
DRG is my favourite class in FFXIV if SE fucks up this rework I'm going to have to switch to dark knight main to drown my sorrows
I think youll be okay.I have a feeling
I'll be honest, with no prior experience with previous FF dragoons, I always thought Dragoon in 14 was a decent class - definitely slow at lower levels but once it hit that 70 - 80 it took off and feels great to play. I didn't even know it was getting a rework. But maybe its just because Drg was the DPS I started the game off as and leveled fully.
That being said, if it is getting a rework, I hope it feels as powerful as Reaper does when using enshroud.
Its just dated. I feel bad for dragoon in general cause its basically impossible to give us a real dragoon in an mmo because of its focus on aerial combat. Im glad its getting looked at though and hopefully theyll give it more flabour
I don't play the class currently, but I love spears/pole arms. I think it would be great if Dragoons transitioned to becoming Dragon Knights as out poster boy has been moving that way since Stormblood. Another poster here mentioned its not likely they'll have a regen, but it 'd be cool if a regen became a raid buff.
I just think its lining up so perfect for ff9 to make so many changes moving forward. Im trying to believe in this prediction so hard that it manifests XD
@@MythSamaelFFXIV The MythSam Dragoon primal xD
Honestly, I'm looking forward to the Dragoon overhaul. Like the summoner and scholar, it's one of those classes where the devs really can't decide which way to go with it. They really do need a solid AOE attack before 40. >_>
Side note, I find it hilarious that despite how far he runs from krille and tataru, our captain of fan service never seems to be able to escape them for long. 😁
Yeah the level 40 requirement for aoe is actualy fucking painful especially in the older dungeons with more trash between bosses
Why dont they just bring back ring of thorns for the below level 40. Then let it evolve to doomspike.
I love this idea! Showing love to Zepla was awesome! I would love to see Freya in FF14 or our Universes version of her! Great vid, keep up the good work! ;)
Haha yeah i adore zepla she is a bean, I thought it would be funny to make people think i was about to do my typical insult thing but then spin it into a compliment haha
"Most iconic dragoon"
Kain is a joke to you? The entire visuals of dragoons are based on KAIN.
The visuals being based on someone doesn't make them the most iconic to the fan base . I think you'll find more people leaning toward for Freya then Kain . Tbf he was also fairly generic for his time also the quote was " Arguably "
@@MythSamaelFFXIVFirst result to final fantasy dragoon on google is Kain, so...
which makes no difference what so ever ? Are you really this mad i didnt say Kain. He was from the sprite era outside of hardcore fans most people now are to young to even no who he is compared to Freya. Stop being salty on the internet my guy i said " arguably " for a reason
@@MythSamaelFFXIV You are the one who sound mad. Relax bro. Just because you are too young to know Kain doesnt mean he isnt the superior iconic dragoon.
Most people are too young to even KNOW WHO FREYA IS. Hahaha
You'd really be willing to ruin my "Dragoons in Eorzea can't jump" T-Shirt?
Im sorry , but Jump IS DRAGOONS they have to give it more and make it more
Yeah, DRG Rework is needed. I'll hold my opinions on whether its good or not. People hear rework and they spaz the f out due to Astro and SMN EW Reworks. I'm not too worried in the job being made simpler though, since Yoshida said he's made the game too "stress-free" in which I think he meant challenge.
Yeah im not worried either all the signs point to this expansion being amazing
I think they will rework or remove some parts that atm to clunky like.. make Dragoneye to Dancepartner etc
Tbh i play atm Dragoon very often in the last weeks/months but yeah..
I hope the make Dragoneye to something like the Dancepartner, the current Dragoneye with Macro is absolutly awful to play even for someone like me with a good ping (under 40ms). I hate to double weave macros, i was thankfull for the salted earth rework on DRK in EW (stop lie to yourself in 99 of 100 fights you can place the aoe on the spot where you stand and you have no problems.. that is just a lazy attempt to copy "Death and Decay" from the WoW Deathknight)
The other thing is Stardiver, all jumps has animation locks but you can double weave them with good ping.. its possible to use one jump and one "normal" oGCD even if you have a 100 Ping or even use two jumps like the normal gap closer and the "Fire Gap Closer" with rly good ping.. but Stardiver.. even if the Animation is cool as fuck ngl the oGCD is a disaster.. its impossible to double weave even with a very good ping and 2.5 GCD.. and always a early weave because a late weave will ruin your GCD Uptime.
And the last point.. imagine you have to play a DPS with.. Kaiten but it dont cost gauge but have 40s CD.. No Mercy or Fight or Flight from GNB/PLD.. a raid wide dps buff and Devilment from Dancer but you have to use a Macro or target switching to give it also another Player.. sounds fun right? Thats the current Dragoon
I feel this in my soul , obviously I didn't go to complicated into how broken it feels right now cause I aim to make these videos approachable to players of every skill level but I'm hoping the rework is a fix aswell
Kimahri, is the most iconic Dragoon
ooo that is a shout
Adjust(shorten) the animation lock for stardiver and we're good.
Well the dragoon in the benchmark trailer certainly looked interesting so i guess well find out soon enough what theyve done to the jumpie boy
Thats the best animation for drg if u dont like it switch jobs
Reminding me of Freya's story in FF9.
(slams table)
EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!! 😢
Im sorry but the people need to almost remember !
To be forgotten is worse than death
I love freya quotes! haha thats a bro fist moment
Im pissed that they're gonna remove spineshatter dive
Yeah I liked the rework in general though tbf
@@MythSamaelFFXIV what exactly was the "rework"? They removed a dive that already did what they said the move was gonna turn Into, a gap closer. The move was already already a gap closer with the damage. What they're doing is just removing an entire damage ability from dragoons kit. There was no point in removing the damage. It also makes no sense considering dragoons lore.
Yeah but the job flows alot better now and it feels like dragoon have a bit more of there identity back as the aerial class its suppose to be
Dragoon plays just fine. You have two melee combos that make perfect sense for their role, 3 jumps for various roles being fulfilled, and a resource spending combo that also makes sense. If I had to rework dragoon I would remove one of the jumps, probably spine, and make the other two added into a combo likely replacing vorpal thrust since it does nothing currently. I’d then replace doom spike with the other jump, the AoE one. Afterword you can remove Geirskogul and replace it with Nastrond entirely, then disabling the ability until your second charge of the eye is actually available. This cleans up the job pretty well I think.
I think dragoon is very clearly dated in almost every aspect. I understand that current dragoon is functional but my god it needs a rework.
Definitely doesn't play fine.
Dragoon has always been my #1.
Currently, gameplay wise, it is the bottom of the barrel.
I think this was a good video on the RUclips video watching platform and I am making a comment to say it
Thank you!
FF IX remake? just for that have like good sir
I swear itll be announced before Dawntrail. Its there, to many leaks, to much noise, to many referances
I think Dragoon is flawless right now at 90. I hope they don't make it soulless and braindead.
I think it's got alot of issues but hopefully they give it a decent rework
ill say the rotation is clean and that's good but the iconic Jump skills seem all over the place.
DRG main, it works well, and the rotation fells statisfying. Maybe Life surge is kinda eh, but the rest works perfectly well.
@@Clavitz1 Sorry, dragoons jump 🤷
Did they fix Jump? It was my favorite dragoon move. Now it’s this lame teleport thing… I come back to the game today after being gone and they ruined jump in my opinion. It use to look really cool and was fun to pull off. Not today though.
With it being so central to the dragoons job cannon i imagine it will be made better in dawntrail with the upcoming rework.
@@MythSamaelFFXIV I like the old animation. It looked cool. The move need not be quick, but it should look awesome and be fun to use. That’s what drew me to job to begin with.
@@xNightHawk32 what about being able to control when you land and have it feel more classic.
also massively boost our biggest jump's damage. no way it should ever be on par with true thrust which animation doesnt inspire a whole lot of "wow". at least to me
shadowbringers dragoon was literally perfect no I do not care that it wasn't jumping Blood of the Dragon's decaying meter was rewarding and generated adrenaline give it back.
_GIVE IT BACK_ >:(
I coudnt agree more honestly !
what language is this? i think there are just random sounds.
Hmmm strange no on else does but no im northern and british so sometimes i talk kinda fast
You aren't zero punctuation. Slow down, mate.
Not trying to be , just northern . Kinda fits the little big personality I portray
The video is literally unwatchable he talks so fast. Even reading the subtitles feels like playing beat saber on the hardest difficulty with my eyes
Yeah, kind agreed. My stupid + audhd brain struggles to lock in and figure out what he's saying lol
@@blaidehwa😂😂😂
dragoon is perfect and doesn't need a rework square enix
DId you keep a straight face typing this xD !
No... shes not anymore, sorry.
I just want Dragoon to be... a Dragoon. Like the ones in the HW trailer. I refuse to believe the devs couldnt make the drg airborne most of the time during battle, after all: Aion managed that back in 2007! No excuse there :P Anyway, I dont expect a groundbreaking rework... but I just want something appropriate to the job fantasy. Right now, drg is a guy with a spear who happens to have more gapclosers than the other jobs - except mnk.
I agree completely there needs to be more aerials that aren't just ogcds . Just a shame it is an mmo I really don't no how else they do that without a 3d battle space
@@MythSamaelFFXIV Hmmm... how about finisher combos in the air? Those would be normal gcds and neednt be animation locked... Ah well, we will see in two months how the rework is done.. when they release the job trailer ^.^
Hoping the job trailer will drop tommorow during the 14 hour stream. I am waiting patiently
@@MythSamaelFFXIV keep your dingers crossed :)
my dingers are almost always uncomfortably crossed i assure you !
"...dragoon can never feel like a real dragoon in an mmo. it's basically umpossible to have an aerial specialized dps in an mmo without a 3d battlespace." correction, it is not possible in the kind of mmo that ffxiv is. with an action combat system it is very possible to have a 3d battlespace.
What's the correction , u just agreed with me ?
I said it's basically impossible to have an aerial specialised DPS in an mmo without a 3d battle space
Your correction was an action combat system could have a 3d battlespace...but that doesn't correct any of my point lol?
@@MythSamaelFFXIV since you just said "in an mmo" in the first part, i assumed that you meant that mmos in general couldn't have 3d battlespaces with the second part
Oh right no , there's no comma the statement was a whole
@@MythSamaelFFXIV ah, got it. that makes sense.
More iconic than Kain?
I did say arguably :P Though i think so yes. Whilst Kaine is iconic to the mega franchise fans, Freya is more popular and known to more casual fans who werent alive / playing during the sprite era.~
Im a hardcore fan and i generally prefer freya for her aesthetics, and story.
Fair enough. Just see kain I’m way more promotional art and even before I ever knew or played final fantasy i recognized Kain without knowing his name or anything else. When I even think of a dragoon his look and armor immediately come to mind for me
Why do the comments have 0 chill 💀
After seeing what they did with the FF1 and FF7 remakes I don't know how anyone would desire SE to remake THEIR favorite FF game.
... both the remakes reviewed incredibly well. thats probably why. Remember your opinion isnt everyones opinion dude
You burnt the house down with this take.
Dude breathe, unwatchable
Its all part of the character I like to portray. My style isn't for everyone, but thanks for assuming your opinion of it was a blanket everyone was under. Totally not toxic :)
How do I... block youtube channels?
first you have to learn how to be funny when trying to troll comment on youtube then you click the remove from feed button