Yea I own a 22 Tundra and I think a lot of this is preference. When I bought my tundra I’m 6’1 with the seat raised a bit and have enough headroom to where it’s a non factor. The turning radius sucks because of the new platform they designed on the truck. The 3 inches of the bumper sticking out is a non factor when you could get a bed step for like 70 bucks. I thought you were gonna talk about things that a lot of people use in their daily life. Plus let’s be real a majority of people spending 60k+ on their truck isn’t going to take in the woods, or work out of it either. They are going to be daily driven family style trucks. The new trucks are above and beyond the previous in all aspects aside from the nitpicks you listed in the video. I never would’ve bought a tundra if it didn’t have the amount of features and equipment the new ones have. Amazing JBL system, heated and cooled seats, heated steering wheel, pano roof, 14 in screen, wireless car play. All amazing features.
It's as though the '07 to '21 Tundra was built with an entirely different mission protocol. Sure, they're both pick up trucks, but our Tundras were stout, streamlined, and stronger than they needed to be. This new truck is like a tofu burger. It's answering questions no one is asking, and losing it's core values. It also looks like 2 pallets of building materials dropped off in a parking lot.
@@kedrevs4037 When the 2007 models were introduced they showed the Tundra working on West Texas Ranches pulling Gooseneck trailers full of cattle. On Construction sites pulling trailers with Machinery, Working in Mines and quarries. This 2022 model is aimed at the beach crowd who haul their surfboard to the beach or the person who uses it to commute to the city from their affluent home in the suburbs. TOTAL FAILURE by Toyota on this Hot mess 2022 model
The truck market has changed a lot since 2007, and they think they are catering to Truck buyers with the new redesign. They forgot that people buy Tundras because it is a reliable dinosaur that was still relatively cheaper than the competition. A top trim platinum/trdpro 2021 Tundra is about $54k, which is like a mid-level Ram Laramie/F150 XLT. This truck is 3-4 yrs late, and removed features that made it special, like a big 38-gal fuel tank, large 4.30 rear axle, excellent turn radius, bulletproof drivetrain, and looks that was mean, but modest. Toyota assumes that Truck buyers are similar to regular car/suv buyers. They are successful in those markets because the buyers see the vehicle mostly as transportation and luxury is a bonus, but most Truck buyers see their vehicle as a mobile functional tool
Agreed. It's almost as if Toyota is sending a subliminal message that they are looking to get out of the truck business all together... I work for a Toyota dealership, have driven the new version and in my mind it's a big FAIL.
I have the 2022 SR5 it's one awesome truck. I use regular fuel and it moves as fast as I want it to go. I gave my son my 2017 Tundra TRD4X4 it too is a great truck but loved gasoline, only issue with that truck. My 2022 rides so much better than the 2017, with that said the 2017 was built for off road my 2022 isn't it is a 4x4. It just seemed to me you were looking for issues that make little to no difference. The 2022 doesn't get Primus gas numbers, but it gets far better than the 2017. Just my thoughts, have a great week ahead.
They had a good reliable truck that was a fuel hog. Some weight reduction, direct injection, and a 10 speed would have been enough to keep consumers buying.
@@getexposedlmao Carbon builds up on the valves and requires the 'heads' to be removed to clean. Just another maintenance nightmare - as they created a solution to a problem that did not exist. Multi port fuel injection works - direct is non stop problems.
Keep up the honest reviews and that way folks deciding on whether to get the new ‘22 or not will have some things to consider… Luckily for me its: Long live my Gen2 and the V8!!
I'm with you you took the words out of my mouth!!! 2020 Tundra owner, and two 4runners 4th and 5th generations all bought new fully loaded 4x4's and I wish I ordered two Tundras instead of one before the chip shortage. Keeping them forever nothing like a 5.7 V-8 4x4 Tundra. Very roomy and comfortable!!!
It is just mind boggling how Toyota could screw this up this bad after years of hype and anticipation. I have told many people about how great my turning radius is on my 2020, to think that even this is now gone is unbelievable, no tow hooks, marginally better mileage Ugly as hell looks, I am sorry this is a hard NO for me. Love your videos.
@@rolandtariche4602 Turning radius is the Main reason I bought the 2021 tundra (that and the rear window roll down). When your a property manager in a city, turning radius is important
Except for the Camry everything they make has an ugly front. Too many Japanese making the decisions on styling. They want the front to look like Japanese Anime.
We just came out of a pandemic and parts are still in short supply, so are decent engineers worth their weight in gold. Everyone should stop buying anything, car or truck, until these issues can be resolved and things come back to normal, if you go to a supermarket you notice how crappy everything is being packaged? I've seen cereal boxes with the cardboard tabs glued on crooked, not by a little bit, and on a number of kinds of packaging. There's a rush to put out products in the face of high demand and low workers, car manufacturers are no different, all businesses have to make a profit, if they can't put out product they'll have to shut down.
That with the turning radius is really mind-boggling. TNGA-F is a global platform meaning it needs to perform in places with tiny roads. That was a massive oversight by Toyota.
I totally disagree with your assessment. I have owned both (2018 SRA W/TRD OFF Road Package) and just got my new 22 Tundra Limited W/TRD Off Road. My New tundra has just as much head room as the previous generation. Also you are wrong on the Head Room of other trucks. (Ram front 40.9 rear 39.8 GMC front 43.0 rear 40.8). My 6'4 boss got into my new tundra with the Panoramic Sunroof and had no problems. He also owns a 2021 tundra and he says the exact same thing as I did. With the new version you can get a 6.5 Ft bed on a crew max which wasn't available on previous generation. I do agree about the step on the tailgate. Also the turning radius is way better on the new tundra. You would know this if you have driven both on a daily basis instead of going off numbers put down on a sheet of paper. You shouldn't expect a dealership to tell you everything and if you are doing your research then you will be comfortable spending 60k on a truck with certain capabilities like I did when I purchased mine.
@@kedrevs4037 not at all. I used to work for a Toyota dealership and they make the best product in the world. Please tell me what facts I have wrong. Do you own a 22 Tundra? Because I do and I have gone through this truck with a fine tooth comb and it's a thousand times better than the previous generations
turning radius on paper should be more factual than your "feeling" of it. Either way a small change in turning radius is only going to hurt truly poor drivers, nothing wrong with a k turn or three
the 2 speed 4wd transfer case is like 200+lbs. That'll lower your payload by 200+lb, in addition if you have the 38 gallons vs 26 gallons fuel tank they will deduct from payload assuming you are full. Which is roughly 90-100lbs (12 extra gallons of fuel). So if you have the larger fuel tank and the 4wd option, its almost 300 lbs payload difference.
I saw it coming a mile away No tow hooks No way to step into bed tailgate down Beds smaller V6 with shit fuel economy when I’d have been ok with a 10 speed v8 Interior got smaller Tech is bad Seating didn’t get better or more comfortable Cost is outrageous Bad turning radius I got a 2nd year 21 Titan pro4x and love it and didn’t even pay50k
I'm only 5'8" and the grab handle was so freaking tight for my hands that the salesperson told me to just use the steering wheel to pull myself in because and I quote, "who even uses the grab handle" The power bed-step should've been standard in limited but instead it's not even available in limited. It's only available in platinum (not standard). Also they told me that if you want a/c power you gotta get the panoramic sunroof.
None of this will affect Toyota fanboys. They’re up there with Subaru folks. Diehard no matter what. Toyota makes great vehicles but they’re a bit overrated imo.
Agree 100% after reading all the hype on tundras i bought a new 2019, its an "ok" truck, not sure why people and toyota salesman act like they are made of gold
I have a 2022 SR5 2x2 Crewmax. The only issue you describe here that could be something you could claim you didn't realize or know after a walk around and a test drive is the power using lower octane fuel. I get more power than I need from my engine on 87 octane gas. It might be better with higher octane but I don't need higher performance than I'm getting and one of the big pluses to me is the fact that I get an average of 21 MPG in this truck around town which saves me money on gas. I don't want to lose that advantage by paying the higher price for higher octane if I don't need it. All the other "issues" you describe would be obvious when you walk around the truck and take it for a test drive. So if they are issues for you, obviously, it's not the truck for you! But I love mine!
I agree the rear bumper set up is odd. Everyone is integrating steps and Toyota decided to delete them? I also needs recovery hooks for the way I use my truck. I’m going to hold off and see if Toyota can figure this stuff out by ‘23 or ‘24. It’s time for a refresh already. 🤔
@@joseperezpaz9986 I'm not saying it's impossible but it will be a difficult feat, especially the front bumper. If anyone had a solution, I would think it would be Toyota through their TRD division, bcuz the absence of front recovery hooks on the 2022 Tundra is costing Toyota a lot of sales. People in snowy climates need both front and rear recovery points.
The reason i got the 20 Tundra...i want nothing to do with turbos. I love the V8 and it isn't as bad on fuel as so many claim. I love the box size on the 20 compared to my Tacoma. The lack of a step into the box is hardly a problem...you can get a step that goes into the hitch or i also have a 3 step ladder 🪜 in my box.
I’m glad you’re making these videos. I wish TFL and the other big channels would mention these things. I canceled my plans to get one when I saw how horrible this new design was. Toyota really screwed the pooch on this one.
I had the 2018 Tundra and bought the 2022 Tundra Limited a few weeks ago. This is a Great truck. The complaints in this video are minor. Yes not having tow hooks and a place to step on the bumper wasn’t the smartest idea but this is all around a great truck and Far better than a Ford, Dodge or Chevy. Maybe Toyota missed it on a few gadgets but this truck rides amazing, turns just as good as the previous Tundra that I owned and the interior is extremely comfortable and spacious still. Toyotas reliability and resale value is untouchable plus this is a great looking truck with So many more positives than negatives. People need to stop complaining about the small stuff and recognize a great vehicle.
@@100868ful You sound like a salesman. I'm glad you like your truck, but that doesn't change reality. The 2022 is more expensive and has went backwards in many ways compared to the previous generation.
@@100868ful only time will tell about reliability on this one, we all know how made in America truck holds its build quality. Paper specs what sell this 2022.
You guys sound like a bunch of women complaining about their purse pockets. When the first gen T100 came out, great truck but just not for everybody. You spoiled folks can never be satisfied. "I want everything I had and tons more." So typical. I'm still embracing the new powertrain and functional design for it. Ask Ford, they can never satisfy their customers completely either. If toyota still gives you QDR, and that's good for today's time, plus unmatched resale value, plus fuel economy matched with their competitors, then I think their short falls are as bad as others. Remember, they make incremental changes over time to make their trucks better. And they've always been behind the big three cosmetically and functionality, but hold their own. I can excuse their short comings like ford customers do. I'm sure they are aware what people think and like the T100, I don't believe they are trying to steal the truck market but give you a tool you can depend on.
Was seriously considering the new Tundra, but had some growing suspicions and observations about it's operations and backward changes. Thanks for the video. Will look elsewhere. Hopefully they can address those issues, cause I really do like Toyota.
Most of the issues he showed will be difficult to address without a complete redesign. The rear bumper issue is probably the easiest to address, and that will probably take a refresh (2-3 yrs) if even. I'm not sure about the tow hooks or lack thereof since the air dam is in the way.
I never buy brand-new designs because you are guaranteed to have to deal with some little defects and recalls. But if you have to get a 2022, I would recommend waiting for a bit and getting the TRD Pro Hybrid.
I've seen other reviews and they mention the subscription-based functionality of the software... I hate that.. really, if you're buying the vehicle, _everything_ should be there 100% 24/7, nothing of that subscription model crap.
87 Octane per the owner’s manual page 547 btw. Most people have this mistaken belief turbo engines require premium fuel. Ford EcoBoost engines get the same comments. I’ve owned both and the 2022 is better than the 5.7L off the line. It doesn’t sound like it is which I think it causing the confusion. The bed size is an interesting thought. I’ll have to do a direct comparison with a tape measure.
And Tim, if you add the added functionality that the new Tundra has in the bed, (Multiple cutouts for 2x6, Bed Lighing, Composite material, 400 watt plug) I still think that it is a much better bed and offers more utility than the previous generation. I don't like the decrease in space/size but I'll get over it I think.
@@SSMedic certainly it is a more useful bed than the prior gen. It does slope which I only started to notice after people started talking about it. Interestingly, I found I liked the slope after a recent snow fall. It kept the snow from building up in the corners and is helping it melt faster.
Tim thanks for the update, and I respect your input. But 87 being ok and achieving the highest advertised HP and torque numbers are two different things. That inconsistency is bothersome. Until someone dynos it, we won't really know.
@@Pickuptrucktalk And Tim to save you some time in the cold Nebraska winter, Toyota list the 2nd gen crewmax bed as 66.7"L x66.4" W and I just measured my depth at 23.75" with the spray in liner. Toyota lists the 2022 shortbed crewmax at 65.6"lx 58.7'W x 20.9"H
@@kedrevs4037 "But 87 being ok and achieving the highest advertised HP and torque numbers are two different things." I don't think these are different things. Whatever the manufacturer of any brand publishes HP and torque numbers, they base that on the recommended fuel used. For example, Nissan has best in class HP and torque WITH premium fuel and they denote that. The email you got was interesting for sure.
I don't like that the tailpipe comes out the drivers side and they use fake engine noise piped in. The fender flares don't even cover the wheel wells and does not provide good protection. They don't look right to me. The front and back bumpers are made from molded plastic like cars and the least tiny bump will destroy them. This truck I feel is more car like and is made for people who don't really use a truck much as a truck. Just some of my thoughts I was hoping for better. This truck lies between the Honda pickup and the current Tundra.
They copied all the other brands with cheapish styling and materials..it looks very similar to my pos Sierra. Same body panels and build quality..my new Sierra is the worst truck I've ever owned..these companies should be sued for poor quality products. Forget about all modern pickups, they are playing games right now. Go with a Tacoma or older model tundra..that's your only bet anymore. Maybe a f250 or ram25000 . The whole car market right now is collapsing
@@nocturnalme3549 I wouldn’t buy a car/truck right now but I lost an engine - need a vehicle asap. Trying to score something and then maybe trade in a year from now. The economy is in recession and I can see it collapsing end of year. Good for buyers. As you said, everything seems to be lacking in quality.
This is the "New Coke" of trucks, for any of you that were around when that took place. Coca-Cola changed the formula back due to CONSUMER Feedback (good for them BTW).
The tundra is probably what it is for its customer base, a commuter truck. I used to have a 2014 limited and never once had to use 4lo ever, needed a locking rear diff, crawl mode, front tow hooks, max out towing or payload. It just got me to the office 5 days a week and tow a boat on some weekends, haul some construction materials from Menards, etc. We traded it for a new 2016 Sequoia platinum as we added another baby to our family. So I drove a Honda Accord to work. There’s a part of me that still misses my truck so I’ve been intrigued by what people are seeing in the third gen. and we’ll see, might spring for the new tundra after a test drive, and if it’s not a good fit, I’ll likely get a sport sedan like a Lexus IS500 to daily.
@@kedrevs4037 right, it’s definitely not as capable if you’re doing weekend rock crawling, off roading, towing skid loaders and farm equipment around, etc. I’d go HD and diesel for towing. Guys are now reporting huge wastegate problems with the turbos in the new tundras that require the cab be removed just to fix it. Dangers of buying first production run. I personally dislike the idea of putting a Turbo gas in a truck, I really like a dependable V8 and wish they kept it as an option, with an 8 or 10 speed and get rid of the 4:30 gears, total overkill for a commuter truck that hurts gas mileage. Here’s a video just posted regarding the wastegate issues. ruclips.net/video/wC5QMExIPNI/видео.html
Unfortunately Toyota never designs anything from scratch to save money, especially trucks, always borrowing from somewhere they shouldn’t be, designs already dated at launch, then fanboys on a string for the next 15 years waiting for headlamps amongst other things that illuminate the road, aren’t you embarrassed Toyota, it’s not the American team that should be fired, I think the Japanese team needs to go, this is prevalent in many Japanese companies, also they underproduce so you can overpay, that little gimmick has served them well as the Sheeple keep coming back for more punishment, Allison not lost if they address the at least two dozen missing items this truck needs to complete let alone lead, after all the fluff videos, the truth emerges, this rig is far from taking the crown, not even a rear step bumper, CMONMAN
Your very informative, but can you stop knocking down the 2022 tundra. If you don't like it, then don't buy it. It will give everyone else a better chance of getting one. You seem very negative about the whole truck. Give it a chance. It's the future. Things will not be the same as they were before, so get use to change. There is nothing perfect in the world. I never heard anything good from you about this truck. Let the people decide for themselves. My dealer tells me everything, because I ask questions and if they don't then maybe you should shop somrwhere else. Most of the things you complain about, people don't care. I for one look for a family truck that will last a long time. Toyota has that reputation. I'm Toyota all the way. You have your own opinion and so does everyone else, but stop putting the truck down.
Whether people like this video or not, at the end of the day YOU are going to make the decision to whether to buy it or not. Don’t knock on the reviewer if it doesn’t fit your narrative, simply unsubscribe and go on your merry way :)
@@kedrevs4037 tell it like it is!!! I agree with you!!! 2020 Tundra owner and I'd rather have a v8 and pay for the thirsty v8!!! I am 6'3 and it's the most comfortable truck I've owned. I wanted to trade in my 4th generation 4 runner 4.0 v6 4x4 for anther new Tundra crewmax 4x4 but I'll wait a couple of years to see how v6 tt's hold. I hope it will also be as spacious as my 2020 4x4 trd offroad crewmax (no sun roof) I need the head room and leg room 6'3 250lbs.
Absolutely love my 2018 1794 edition. All the things he’s saying about the 2022 versus the previous generations is absolutely the truth. Toyota should not have been pressured to make it “better”. The old adage goes if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Under powered V6 engine, that needs twin turbos to get enough power….. a lot of buyers will have trouble with their lack of religious oil changes…re: turbo killer
Keep knocking down this tundra. To real tundra owners this new truck sucks, period. What a fat disappointment thinking it was going to be mind blowing but it was all hype…Trash
I am a huge fan of Toyota. I’ve owned a 4RUNNER, LandCruiser and a Tundra. I was waiting for the new Tundra to come out but after looking at it I’m actually thinking of going to a different brand. Never thought I would ever buy a truck that wasn’t a Toyota.
Michael to even go to another brand is a bad idea. I had the 2018 Tundra and bought the new 2022 Tundra Limited. As an owner for three weeks I can tell you that the small things mentioned in this video is none existent once you drive the truck. It’s amazing! Yes I know the rear bumper should have been designed better and they should have put tow hooks but to switch to Ford , Chevy or Dodge is a Huge mistake. I’ve owned them all and they are garbage. Yes Chevy has a cool tailgate and Ford and Dodge have some cool gadgets but the price you pay for a truck now a days it better be reliable and hold its value. The big three haven’t figured that out yet.
What makes me frustrated with Toyota is that they had literally forever to come up with the next truck and pretty much dropped the ball. It went from 2007 to 2021 with a refresh and couple other updates…Ford had like 3 generations of f-150’s in that same amount of time. You would think they could have done better…the 2nd gen Tundra will forever be the best…imo
You keep breaking my heart on a new Tundra! But I appreciate these comparisons showing these differences how Toyota went backwards in so many ways! Good videos!
Depends on what your needs are. The 2nd Gen has served me great, wish Toyota had built on it's capability. Improved MPGs might suit some, but there are too many compromises for my needs.
@@kedrevs4037 Great points. The lack of step on the tailgate leaves me scratching my head. Overall the new gen meets my needs moreso than my 18. Great fuel economy, more power, higher payload, greater towing and a truck that blows the 2nd gen away in the driveability dept. Always a few issues with a new gen tho. Worth a test drive imo.
I specifically bought a new Tundra in 2021 to avoid the new generation. The gas mileage is horrible. But I'm more than happy to deal with that in lieu of dealing with all the issues that has come with the new generation.. it strikes me as odd that the new Tundras went from impossible to get, to seeing 22s already on the lot selling as used... who makes a 4 wheel drive pickup without front tow hooks? 🤯
I bought a 2021 also. Traded a 2016 for it. One thing that i noticed right away was the tail gate is much lighter than the 2016. I'm guessing that they used much lighter gauge metal on the 2021. I am seeing 2-3 highway mpg improvement 21 vs. 16 so it seems that they used lighter materials for the entire vehicle. I would like to have the cabin upgrades that the 3rd gen offers but the V8 reliability is more important to me. I'm really glad that I got one of the last 2nd gens.
excellent information!! .. glad i saw this!.. i love my 2010 , very sad to see this, i was going to buy a new one . After seeing these steps backwards, with what I would consider very big design flaws, I've absolutely changed my mind!! Why in gods name did they do such a shit job in it's redesign!! Mine has been an absolute JOY to own, with rock solid reliability! haven't even needed to replace a bulb , still using the original serpentine belt! 125,000 miles. Breaks my heart... guess I'm just gonna keep mine and drive it till the wheels fall off!
I have the 2023 tundra sx px double cab. I love it. yeah the mpg is a bummer but overall it’s working great. Pulls fine. it’s a truck, I don’t have a problem climbing up into the bed just like all my older trucks.
The biggest concern I have with the 2cd gen tundra is it’s fuel consumption. it seems like the new tundra geared more towards leisure driving than a working truck.
If you want a working truck get a ford. Toyota had the luxury of not developing anything new for reliability. The moment they try something new, well. Its just ugly and sucks and seems like the enlarged some corolla/camry features for a truck interior
@@zzanatos2001 yup, they might not be super reliable like toyotas are but there's also a reason why Toyota doesn't have the payload or towing numbers to compare
@@wayned3137 it sure is. Where's the Toyota 2500 or 250? Wait?.... LOL OR what happened to the T150?! Wait, copied ford again there! The tundra has copied fords with interior and exterior since the early 2000's. The only one that hasn't is the 08-13. Then they copied the interior after that. Toyota can't even design a v6 that can be worked on with the cab of the truck on still. This new gen needs the cab taken off to do work. They can't compete. The only time I see tundra on the job site is when helpers start and they end up needing to upgrade to a real truck
One thing it's ugly doesn't look like a Tundra the last generation and generation before was much better than this one usually love Tundra trucks the 2022 is a huge disappointment.
I agree. Having owned Tundras for the last 12 years, their business was mine to lose, and they have. No easy way to get in the bed, and I don't mean a tailgate, just bumper steps would be fine. No tow hooks, smaller cab, worse turning radius. They missed so many simple things. Toyota was always top of my list. They are now below GM and Ford. I hope they fix this. If someone from Toyota sees this, people don't care about gimmicky front spoilers that drop down, and a button in the tailight for the bed. Look at the GMC AT4, and build that truck with your quality. It sis functional, has steps in the bumper, much wider bed, tow hooks, great factory tires, factory lift. Only complaint is the fuel tank is 24 gallons. It should be 30 or 32.
Owned three reliable tundras since ‘07. The fact that you have to remove the cab in the ‘22 to service something in the engine is disconcerting. All the gear in the engine bay is packed in there with little room to spare w/videos pointing this out. However, the truck ks amazing via testimony trickling in from owners. *Ford eco boost was an abysmal failure early on with mechanics concurring their dumpsters were full of failed engine blocks. Toyota’s TTV6 will be better.
@@oliverramclam6009 Toyo dealer buys back used ‘’21-22 Tundras with low mileage - pay seller almost what he paid when new. They re-sell them at or over sticker. They’re the only available trucks on their lots. Enterprise offered me $500 over KBB for my ‘12 with 120k miles. Used market is CRAZY
I agree and this is why i ordered a 2022 TRX. To be fair to Toyota the thing about regular fuel was indeed a misprint. I don’t think that should count as a knock.
My gen 1 has 225,000. And has been on most back roads of Death Valley and never had an issue also haul firewood in the mountains of sierra Nevada mts use about 3/4 at oil every 4,000 miles
The guy is obviously sour on the Tundras which is fine but he takes that bias and latches on to anything negative he can. So he goes into nonsense speculation a out the fuel with nothing to back it up.
Toyota flopped with this truck. Co worker bought one and he is very unhappy, mostly with the transmission shifting terrible. Dealer said their was nothing they could do. And the rear window leaks. He is going to try to trade it on a Chevy or Ford.
despite the shortcomings you mentioned here, I place a very high value on reliability and safety when I buy a truck. I would still buy this truck all day long over the competition, hands down. The composite bed is such an improvement over a steel bed.
I’ll chip in here I owned a 23 iforce max. I bought it thinking I was getting a reliable truck. It was not. it completely shut down on me at a stop light and not just because it’s a hybrid I mean it shut down like no gauges no lights nothing. It knocked itself out of gear backing out of a parking spot and let me tell you about the rattles omg the rattles. It was the fastest I’ve ever traded a vehicle in with the only good thing I can say being the resale value was decent. I personally went back to ram and will never buy Toyota again. Weird times we live in where a dodge is a higher quality vehicle than Toyota.
The front is horrible. It looks like it's eating it's front bumper. No tow hook's . I guess they needed more grill room. lol lol The rear with no step to get in the bed is comical. I guess you could carry a bucket . It will give you something to puke in as you look at it I guess .The side profile is 100% gmc. Big elephant ear vents on the inside and that toilet bowl center arm rest is beyond belief . The toyota designers had to be high when they thought this was a good look. oh what a feeling....uglyota .
That's definitely worse than I get in my 5.7 Tundra. I get 15 town 17-20 highway. The increase in price from last year's model is going to negate your savings at the pump. By the time you break even the unknown reliability will become a factor.
I have a 1993 Toyota still rolling, I been investing my money all my life not wasting it on cars and trucks and now I don't have to work to buy junk like this or have to ask anyone or anybody for the time of day. Fishing every day.
I was really looking forward to this redesign, but the Tundra has come off my shopping list. You actually missed one of the biggest missteps which is Toyota's move to subscription based connected services. This means you have to pay a fee to be able to use remote start and a bunch of other features of the truck. I think Toyota has lost me for good. I will give the refreshed 2022 Chevy Silverado 3.0 diesel a close look. It's the only full size truck I would consider buying at this point because of its excellent capability and fuel economy.
@@michaelgriffith2762 I could give a sh*t about the remote start, really. That's not the big issue with the new Tundra....there are many. The 'connected services' infotainment is nothing more than glorified spyware. The truck doesn't even have tow hooks. Thanks to the stupid rear bumper design, there is no integrated step to access the bed when tailgate is down...you have to buy a $500 accessory step. You can't special order a Tundra (or any Toyota) the way you want it, your only option is to buy a dealer spec truck with a bunch of overpriced accessories... and the list goes on and on. Fck Toyota. I'm done with them.
@@michaelgriffith2762 The dealer can choose to use one of their allocations to order your desired spec, but they don't have to and most of them won't...unless you add some accessories to sweeten the deal for them. In my experience, Toyota and their dealers are the absolute worst to deal with. I have special ordered over a dozen vehicles over the years from various brands exactly the way I wanted them with a small deposit and no questions asked, but Toyota simply doesn't operate that way.
The new Tundras no longer offer reliable 5.7 V8 N/A engine, but instead new, untested twin turbo V6’s (more strain and wear and tear on engine, more expensive to repair) and they’re ugly as sin. No thanks.
1 - bed depth got smaller 2 - cab got slightly smaller 3 - no bumper space to get into bed 4 - bigger turning radius 5 - smaller rear axle 6 - storage under back seat 7 - best performance comes with 91octane or higher.
I'd say Toyota did a dam good job as long as it still carry the same QDR and resale value, more capability and better ride quality, some of us won't complain.
@@365handle Muh rEsAlE vAlUe and ReLiAbIlItY. Toyotas not that great and you sheep who are brand loyal cause these problems. It's worse in class truck and just copied main features of the big 3 to try and compete while leaving behind everything the tundra was.
You claim Toyota is not going to tell you there is less headroom, but then you show Toyota's specs which do indicate less head room. Soooo, ya, they did tell everyone. In 2022 they changed from leaf springs in the rear to coils for a better ride. So it makes sense that the load ratings would change.
Fair, but I guess since you want to be so technical about semantics, this is based on your interpretation of the verb “tell”. “Tell” has verbal connotation and not a published connotation. Since we’re down to being technical smartasses that want to play GOTCHA.
@@kedrevs4037 I'm not being a smartass. You made this video claiming they were not telling people about the differences, as if there is some conspiracy or they are being dishonest. But in reality, they publish all of the data. It isn't Toyota's fault that you didn't read the specs.
I've gone form a second gen '19 to the '22 and I agree with a couple of the negatives, especially the loss of 1.5" of the rear seat leg room. What easily carried 4 adult males (or 3 good size kids in the back) is now very cramped for 4 adult males (or at least the two suckers in the back). The other issue is the lack of the step into the bed. Yes, even though I would use my rims/tires, it was nice to have that step. I guess I'll have to dole out a few hundred more for the power step. That should have been standard. Haven't noticed the steering radius being an issue, nor the sluggishness (I don't think it exists if you run 87 or better). The load it can cary has gone up by 200+#'s, so you should correct that error in the video. It also tows more. The bed is smaller, but I doubt I'll notice the difference. The only time I would have an issue is with the height. There were a couple times I was right at the top with a bulky item when I had the Gator Trax closed, but I went with a folding tonneau this time. There are a lot of positives though and overall I find it a better overall truck. Is it worth the $$? Probably not, but my '19 was totaled by a tree and I needed a new truck. Didn't even consider the others same in class. I've had a few Toyota trucks over the years and never had a problem. Worst issue was a vibration from my windshield when doing over 75 mph in my '07 Tacoma.
Appreciate the response and hope it continues to serve you well. Payload has gone up on the spec sheet, but not as much on the door stickers that I've seen. Most of the payload change is directly attributable to decreased fuel tank size.
RIP Toyota. So much for keeping these vehicles long term past warranty. Must remove cab from frame to replace those junky turbos. What I moronic design!
They built the 2nd generation as over built tougher than typical American trucks that last longer. Seems the 2022 is an SUV Toyota why would you have done this. It's certainly not a rugged work capable truck any longer.
You hit the nail on the head. I’m a Toyota guy, own a 2016 Avalon and 1980 FJ40. I was seriously considering a new Tundra as a tow vehicle for my 40 but I’m disappointed in the Tundra due to a car-like payload rating, lack of flat floor in the back, no bed access, no tow hooks, no V8, and interesting styling decisions. The Tundra might reach its tow capacity without exceeding its payload with a 120lb driver, no cargo, and a bed full of helium. I just ordered a new F250 Tremor with the 7.3L V8. Similar price point and three times the capability. My money went to Ford this time.
Two guys have the 7.3 in the Tremor package at work. Some Nitto Ridge Grapplers and that is a hell of a truck. Bet that 7.3 lasts a long, long time too.
I worked as a tech for Toyota since 1981, on and off to the tune of 32 years total time with them as a master tech. I retired March 2021. I special ordered a new F-150, extra cab, 5.0 in 2018. Ordered the 3.31 rear for mileage, it's got 10 speeds anyways... I have squeaked near 27 mpg's on the highway out of it. Average with normal driving, mostly highway is 20-22. 16-18 around town driving easy. And yes as low as 12 around town putting your foot in it all the time. BUT, overall I love it an at 4 years later am still delighted with my choice of the truck for my needs. I had an 04 F-250 with the 6.0 diesel before it. Never had an issue with it either! YOU ARE GOING TO LOVE YOUR NEW FORD!!!
I hope your SD treats you better than mine. I traded my 17 tundra in on one last year. Power steering leaked at 400 and again around 2000 miles when they finally replaced the pump. Needless to say I traded it in for a 21 tundra before I couldn't get one. I loved that truck though and never would have ditched it if I didn't have any of the aforementioned issues.
All those issues that you mentioned are getting fixed now and added on the 2023. I wish Toyota would have kept that as an option 5.7, or at least the 5.0 form the Lexus. Add that Hybrid system to improve the fuel economy. if I’m 6’4 and can seat behind me on the 2020 Extended cab, I tried the same on the 2022 and I couldn’t. I feel that Toyota did that on purpose to get people buy the Crew cab. That rear bumper is going to change quickly, they are getting a lot of negative feedback, make the less resistant to small accidents. In the old Tundra the bumper was modular.
But you forgot to mention that Tundra is way better than Ford, Chevy and Dodge in its category am I right? As a matter of fact, I am in the market of getting me a Limited crew max why? Cause it is TOYOTA!
I just rented a 22 tundra sr5 when I was traveling. Pretty decent truck. It felt like a bigger Tacoma. The no steps into the bed was pretty annoying. That one is a head scratcher for me. How do you design a truck without something like that. Amazing how that passed the design stage.
My 2019 Tundra Trd sport 5.7 is at the dealership awaiting parts to completely rebuild the rear differential! We were on the highway and noticed a whining noise coming from the rear of the truck when on the throttle only. It only has 11k miles on her! The mechanic at dealership said he heard the noise even louder when it was ran in gear on the lift. The truck is very lightly driven and has not even seen a salty winter as of yet. 2 recalls and now this in 11k miles. Thankfully it is covered under the drivetrain warranty 5yrs and 60k. Bad luck or? I have to say I am disappointed.
Great points. I don't like the worst break over and approach and departure angles. You have to spec SR5 to get 18 inch wheels. Tail gate remote sucks for me sometimes I want a locked truck with a unlocked tailgate. I don't like the feeling of a button for the tailgate. Rear shock are venerable to getting hit more than old gen.
Thanks for the video. Yea the dealership will never tell you anything negative, just everything you want to hear. Im happy with my 18 tundra. I will keep it forever and in the future 2-3 years maybe I'll then consider another Tundra and give my 18 one to my Son.
Toyota is going to hell in a hand basket cab of truck have to come off to repair or replace the turbos (what a bucket of worms). Ford F 150 bets hands down offers V8 normal asperated with good gas mileage Toyota get a brain.
All these RUclips Channel reviews fail to mention Toyota has merged Lancruser/ Tundra platforms. Toyota isn't trying to be like the big 3 American companies thank God. Toyota is the only manufacture that modestly rates payload/towing.
Perhaps you haven't realized the average Tundra consumer wants a truck with all the amenities of an SUV... For those of us that are Landcruiser enthusiasts though... 🔥
Tow ratings are recommendations, In 2007 when the Tundra came out with its tow ratings a certain manufacturer 3 months later revamped theirs to make it better than the Tundra without changing anything mechanically on their truck.In 2011 Toyota started to follow the J2807 Towing rating scale which the big 3 wrote. The funny thing is the big 3 didnt start following the J2807 ratings until 2018 .Manufacturers can set their tow ratings to whatever they want.The Tundra could easily tow 12,000lbs or more on their previous generation Tundra. The only thing that kept them doing that was a 5 bolt hub pattern.
It seems if you are buying a truck you have to go American made brands. The Americans have this area of the auto industry in their corner. Japanese can't really build a truck to keep up with Americans. And it's always a good idea to to wait a couple of years on a new model to get the bugs out on any brand.
Bought 5 new Tundras and drove Tundras for over a decade. I bought an AT4 Sierra with the 6.2 in late 2020 because Toyota pushed back the refresh again. This new model is a huge disappointment. The big screen is trying to distract from the shortcomings. You are better off buying a Ford EcoBoost if you want the 3.5 TT.
@@edgarmartinez1512 I do. I do not think it will be as reliable as a 2021 and earlier Tundra, but it has far more power, gets better mileage, and is nicer inside.
@@cstgx Right there with you. The GMC is so much nicer. I get an extended warranty on everything so I'm not worried. Love the GMC. I feel like I'm no longer stuck in the 80s.
Solid points. Had the opportunity to test drive a 22 Tundra last week, besides cabin interior improvements and MPG, it seemed like a step back as far as utility. Ended up with a 🐏
I had godd experience with one of the very first 2012 Ram Limiteds. Kept in for 6 years and 130k miles. No real mechanical issues. Had perpetual brake squeek, and a leaky sunroof in heavy rains that drove me nuts. But drove great when I traded it in on the Tundra in 2018. Really had a little buyer's remorse on the way home, missed the Ram for a few days, but really appreciated the Tundra after a while.
All I can say is good luck. I'm not going to buy another Ram anytime soon. 2017 Ram 1500 Sport: 4 transmission repairs 3 manifold blow outs, yes the 5th gen still has that going on. I'm also waiting for the Cam roller failure the 5.7L suffered from. 2 backup cameras 1 driverside mirror 1 front passenger window motor 1 map light, they had to replace the whole part, not just the bulb. 1 RF hub 2013 Ram 1500 Laramie: Air ride leaks, I would never recommend an airride suspension in a Ram Truck. 4 air compressors for the air ride 1 new engine due to roller failure 2 Transmission repairs 1 Passenger side mirror 2 RF Hub 1 Coil pack failure over cylinder 7 on the brand new engine at 52,000 mi, that was a fun drive to the dealership. That's why I'm buying a Ford with the 2.7L
Yea I own a 22 Tundra and I think a lot of this is preference. When I bought my tundra I’m 6’1 with the seat raised a bit and have enough headroom to where it’s a non factor. The turning radius sucks because of the new platform they designed on the truck. The 3 inches of the bumper sticking out is a non factor when you could get a bed step for like 70 bucks. I thought you were gonna talk about things that a lot of people use in their daily life. Plus let’s be real a majority of people spending 60k+ on their truck isn’t going to take in the woods, or work out of it either. They are going to be daily driven family style trucks. The new trucks are above and beyond the previous in all aspects aside from the nitpicks you listed in the video. I never would’ve bought a tundra if it didn’t have the amount of features and equipment the new ones have. Amazing JBL system, heated and cooled seats, heated steering wheel, pano roof, 14 in screen, wireless car play. All amazing features.
Very good. Problem is my ‘18 has all those things and better seats. Just took an aftermarket head-unit.
It's as though the '07 to '21 Tundra was built with an entirely different mission protocol. Sure, they're both pick up trucks, but our Tundras were stout, streamlined, and stronger than they needed to be. This new truck is like a tofu burger. It's answering questions no one is asking, and losing it's core values. It also looks like 2 pallets of building materials dropped off in a parking lot.
Man, that says it perfectly. I like "new and improved". Problem is the new Tundra is just new.
@@kedrevs4037 When the 2007 models were introduced they showed the Tundra working on West Texas Ranches pulling Gooseneck trailers full of cattle. On Construction sites pulling trailers with Machinery, Working in Mines and quarries. This 2022 model is aimed at the beach crowd who haul their surfboard to the beach or the person who uses it to commute to the city from their affluent home in the suburbs. TOTAL FAILURE by Toyota on this Hot mess 2022 model
The truck market has changed a lot since 2007, and they think they are catering to Truck buyers with the new redesign. They forgot that people buy Tundras because it is a reliable dinosaur that was still relatively cheaper than the competition. A top trim platinum/trdpro 2021 Tundra is about $54k, which is like a mid-level Ram Laramie/F150 XLT. This truck is 3-4 yrs late, and removed features that made it special, like a big 38-gal fuel tank, large 4.30 rear axle, excellent turn radius, bulletproof drivetrain, and looks that was mean, but modest.
Toyota assumes that Truck buyers are similar to regular car/suv buyers. They are successful in those markets because the buyers see the vehicle mostly as transportation and luxury is a bonus, but most Truck buyers see their vehicle as a mobile functional tool
@@fongvang935 impressive comment!
Agreed.
It's almost as if Toyota is sending a subliminal message that they are looking to get out of the truck business all together...
I work for a Toyota dealership, have driven the new version and in my mind it's a big FAIL.
I have the 2022 SR5 it's one awesome truck. I use regular fuel and it moves as fast as I want it to go. I gave my son my 2017 Tundra TRD4X4 it too is a great truck but loved gasoline, only issue with that truck. My 2022 rides so much better than the 2017, with that said the 2017 was built for off road my 2022 isn't it is a 4x4. It just seemed to me you were looking for issues that make little to no difference. The 2022 doesn't get Primus gas numbers, but it gets far better than the 2017. Just my thoughts, have a great week ahead.
I love my new tundra so far. Everything seems to be small issues everyone's talking about.
I agree...
They had a good reliable truck that was a fuel hog. Some weight reduction, direct injection, and a 10 speed would have been enough to keep consumers buying.
Direct injection sucks
@@gregkeller80 ok dual injection then.
@@gregkeller80 Can you elaborate why it sucks? Its a standard for any cars nowadays
@@getexposedlmao Carbon builds up on the valves and requires the 'heads' to be removed to clean. Just another maintenance nightmare - as they created a solution to a problem that did not exist. Multi port fuel injection works - direct is non stop problems.
1st gen tundra just can't be beat. 285k and drives amazing
Keep up the honest reviews and that way folks deciding on whether to get the new ‘22 or not will have some things to consider…
Luckily for me its: Long live my Gen2 and the V8!!
Hear you brother.
I’ll pass on the direction injection, but a 3.5L diesel engine would have been great for me.
My biggest problem with the new Tundra is I don't have one in my garage 🤨😁
Great job the truck sucks it’s weak I’m a Toyota man and I own a 2020 tundra pro if I had to buy another truck it would no longer be Toyota
I'm with you you took the words out of my mouth!!! 2020 Tundra owner, and two 4runners 4th and 5th generations all bought new fully loaded 4x4's and I wish I ordered two Tundras instead of one before the chip shortage. Keeping them forever nothing like a 5.7 V-8 4x4 Tundra. Very roomy and comfortable!!!
It is just mind boggling how Toyota could screw this up this bad after years of hype and anticipation. I have told many people about how great my turning radius is on my 2020, to think that even this is now gone is unbelievable, no tow hooks, marginally better mileage Ugly as hell looks, I am sorry this is a hard NO for me. Love your videos.
You don't buy a truck for it's turning radius. If you don't like the truck buy the competition instead of nitpicking.
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Turning radius is the Main reason I bought the 2021 tundra (that and the rear window roll down).
When your a property manager in a city, turning radius is important
Except for the Camry everything they make has an ugly front. Too many Japanese making the decisions on styling. They want the front to look like Japanese Anime.
We just came out of a pandemic and parts are still in short supply, so are decent engineers worth their weight in gold. Everyone should stop buying anything, car or truck, until these issues can be resolved and things come back to normal, if you go to a supermarket you notice how crappy everything is being packaged? I've seen cereal boxes with the cardboard tabs glued on crooked, not by a little bit, and on a number of kinds of packaging. There's a rush to put out products in the face of high demand and low workers, car manufacturers are no different, all businesses have to make a profit, if they can't put out product they'll have to shut down.
The poor payload and less interior room killed it for me! I guess I’ll drive my 18 to the graveyard!
That’s My Plan as well!!
But,I’ve Barely Broken Mine in,with Only 15.5 K Miles!
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Pretty subjective of you. I think its pretty nice, better than the 2021.
That with the turning radius is really mind-boggling. TNGA-F is a global platform meaning it needs to perform in places with tiny roads. That was a massive oversight by Toyota.
Best comment. The TNGA platform that Toyota uses reduced space across the board because of the global necessity that Toyota used.
I totally disagree with your assessment. I have owned both (2018 SRA W/TRD OFF Road Package) and just got my new 22 Tundra Limited W/TRD Off Road. My New tundra has just as much head room as the previous generation. Also you are wrong on the Head Room of other trucks. (Ram front 40.9 rear 39.8 GMC front 43.0 rear 40.8). My 6'4 boss got into my new tundra with the Panoramic Sunroof and had no problems. He also owns a 2021 tundra and he says the exact same thing as I did. With the new version you can get a 6.5 Ft bed on a crew max which wasn't available on previous generation. I do agree about the step on the tailgate. Also the turning radius is way better on the new tundra. You would know this if you have driven both on a daily basis instead of going off numbers put down on a sheet of paper. You shouldn't expect a dealership to tell you everything and if you are doing your research then you will be comfortable spending 60k on a truck with certain capabilities like I did when I purchased mine.
Are you a Toyota hired influencer? Nothing you have written about the facts are accurate.
BTW, what is GAWR for the rear on the inside of your driver door? Waiting to see some.
@@kedrevs4037 not at all. I used to work for a Toyota dealership and they make the best product in the world. Please tell me what facts I have wrong. Do you own a 22 Tundra? Because I do and I have gone through this truck with a fine tooth comb and it's a thousand times better than the previous generations
turning radius on paper should be more factual than your "feeling" of it. Either way a small change in turning radius is only going to hurt truly poor drivers, nothing wrong with a k turn or three
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Also don't forget this new model has SUBSCRIPTION ONLY REMOTE START! Thats right, monthly payments for life.
Subscription only HEATED SEATS ALSO!
the 2 speed 4wd transfer case is like 200+lbs. That'll lower your payload by 200+lb, in addition if you have the 38 gallons vs 26 gallons fuel tank they will deduct from payload assuming you are full. Which is roughly 90-100lbs (12 extra gallons of fuel). So if you have the larger fuel tank and the 4wd option, its almost 300 lbs payload difference.
I can get an f150 full size crew cab, short bed, 4x4 2.7 Ecoboost with payload package and 2200lb of payload.
I saw it coming a mile away
No tow hooks
No way to step into bed tailgate down
Beds smaller
V6 with shit fuel economy when I’d have been ok with a 10 speed v8
Interior got smaller
Tech is bad
Seating didn’t get better or more comfortable
Cost is outrageous
Bad turning radius
I got a 2nd year 21 Titan pro4x and love it and didn’t even pay50k
I have only owned Toyota since 1993. I couldn't agree with you more. Mpg is horrible
I'm only 5'8" and the grab handle was so freaking tight for my hands that the salesperson told me to just use the steering wheel to pull myself in because and I quote, "who even uses the grab handle"
The power bed-step should've been standard in limited but instead it's not even available in limited. It's only available in platinum (not standard). Also they told me that if you want a/c power you gotta get the panoramic sunroof.
Thank you for that.
None of this will affect Toyota fanboys. They’re up there with Subaru folks. Diehard no matter what. Toyota makes great vehicles but they’re a bit overrated imo.
The fanboys crack me up when they brag about the sound of the new engine. No one told them it was the scoming through the speakers like a BMW.
🤫 don’t tell them haha
Agree 100% after reading all the hype on tundras i bought a new 2019, its an "ok" truck, not sure why people and toyota salesman act like they are made of gold
I’ll be keeping my 21 TRD Pro lunar rock tundra over this
I have a 2022 SR5 2x2 Crewmax. The only issue you describe here that could be something you could claim you didn't realize or know after a walk around and a test drive is the power using lower octane fuel. I get more power than I need from my engine on 87 octane gas. It might be better with higher octane but I don't need higher performance than I'm getting and one of the big pluses to me is the fact that I get an average of 21 MPG in this truck around town which saves me money on gas. I don't want to lose that advantage by paying the higher price for higher octane if I don't need it. All the other "issues" you describe would be obvious when you walk around the truck and take it for a test drive. So if they are issues for you, obviously, it's not the truck for you! But I love mine!
Glad to hear it works for you.
I agree the rear bumper set up is odd. Everyone is integrating steps and Toyota decided to delete them? I also needs recovery hooks for the way I use my truck. I’m going to hold off and see if Toyota can figure this stuff out by ‘23 or ‘24. It’s time for a refresh already. 🤔
I can't travel off grid and camp in places I like to go without recovery hooks, it can make a relatively small predicament become a catastrophe.
I’m sure they will be making aftermarket recovery hooks
@@joseperezpaz9986 No chance. The frame horns are too recessed with that large overhung front fascia. It will be nearly impossible.
@@rebelcitysports1outlook747 was thinking aftermarket bumpers with recovery hooks
@@joseperezpaz9986 I'm not saying it's impossible but it will be a difficult feat, especially the front bumper. If anyone had a solution, I would think it would be Toyota through their TRD division, bcuz the absence of front recovery hooks on the 2022 Tundra is costing Toyota a lot of sales. People in snowy climates need both front and rear recovery points.
The reason i got the 20 Tundra...i want nothing to do with turbos. I love the V8 and it isn't as bad on fuel as so many claim. I love the box size on the 20 compared to my Tacoma. The lack of a step into the box is hardly a problem...you can get a step that goes into the hitch or i also have a 3 step ladder 🪜 in my box.
I'm with ya on that 5.7 ltr motor and honestly I don't expect great gas milage from a v8 I expect it to be a bit noisy and pull all my toys.
@@jessehenry3751 Is why I got it...tow our RV. Tacoma was working hard towing. Tundra is no slouch.
People who complain about fuel mileage on a truck should have bought a Prius instead
I’m glad you’re making these videos. I wish TFL and the other big channels would mention these things. I canceled my plans to get one when I saw how horrible this new design was. Toyota really screwed the pooch on this one.
Maybe they'll make some improvements in the update.
I had the 2018 Tundra and bought the 2022 Tundra Limited a few weeks ago.
This is a Great truck. The complaints in this video are minor. Yes not having tow hooks and a place to step on the bumper wasn’t the smartest idea but this is all around a great truck and Far better than a Ford, Dodge or Chevy. Maybe Toyota missed it on a few gadgets but this truck rides amazing, turns just as good as the previous Tundra that I owned and the interior is extremely comfortable and spacious still. Toyotas reliability and resale value is untouchable plus this is a great looking truck with So many more positives than negatives. People need to stop complaining about the small stuff and recognize a great vehicle.
@@100868ful You sound like a salesman. I'm glad you like your truck, but that doesn't change reality. The 2022 is more expensive and has went backwards in many ways compared to the previous generation.
@@100868ful only time will tell about reliability on this one, we all know how made in America truck holds its build quality.
Paper specs what sell this 2022.
You guys sound like a bunch of women complaining about their purse pockets. When the first gen T100 came out, great truck but just not for everybody. You spoiled folks can never be satisfied. "I want everything I had and tons more." So typical. I'm still embracing the new powertrain and functional design for it. Ask Ford, they can never satisfy their customers completely either. If toyota still gives you QDR, and that's good for today's time, plus unmatched resale value, plus fuel economy matched with their competitors, then I think their short falls are as bad as others. Remember, they make incremental changes over time to make their trucks better. And they've always been behind the big three cosmetically and functionality, but hold their own. I can excuse their short comings like ford customers do. I'm sure they are aware what people think and like the T100, I don't believe they are trying to steal the truck market but give you a tool you can depend on.
If I had a car company, my trucks would come with the slogan: "To serve purpose". And that is to be a truck, not a pavement princess.
Unless you can only have 1 vehicle and you want it to be both like the RAM 1500 is
Was seriously considering the new Tundra, but had some growing suspicions and observations about it's operations and backward changes. Thanks for the video. Will look elsewhere. Hopefully they can address those issues, cause I really do like Toyota.
Most of the issues he showed will be difficult to address without a complete redesign. The rear bumper issue is probably the easiest to address, and that will probably take a refresh (2-3 yrs) if even. I'm not sure about the tow hooks or lack thereof since the air dam is in the way.
I never buy brand-new designs because you are guaranteed to have to deal with some little defects and recalls. But if you have to get a 2022, I would recommend waiting for a bit and getting the TRD Pro Hybrid.
That’s gonna be even more fd up
@@zzanatos2001 WHY? How is the Pro Hybrid going to solve anything this reviewer claims as a downside?
I've seen other reviews and they mention the subscription-based functionality of the software... I hate that.. really, if you're buying the vehicle, _everything_ should be there 100% 24/7, nothing of that subscription model crap.
87 Octane per the owner’s manual page 547 btw. Most people have this mistaken belief turbo engines require premium fuel. Ford EcoBoost engines get the same comments.
I’ve owned both and the 2022 is better than the 5.7L off the line. It doesn’t sound like it is which I think it causing the confusion.
The bed size is an interesting thought. I’ll have to do a direct comparison with a tape measure.
And Tim, if you add the added functionality that the new Tundra has in the bed, (Multiple cutouts for 2x6, Bed Lighing, Composite material, 400 watt plug) I still think that it is a much better bed and offers more utility than the previous generation. I don't like the decrease in space/size but I'll get over it I think.
@@SSMedic certainly it is a more useful bed than the prior gen. It does slope which I only started to notice after people started talking about it. Interestingly, I found I liked the slope after a recent snow fall. It kept the snow from building up in the corners and is helping it melt faster.
Tim thanks for the update, and I respect your input. But 87 being ok and achieving the highest advertised HP and torque numbers are two different things. That inconsistency is bothersome. Until someone dynos it, we won't really know.
@@Pickuptrucktalk And Tim to save you some time in the cold Nebraska winter, Toyota list the 2nd gen crewmax bed as 66.7"L x66.4" W and I just measured my depth at 23.75" with the spray in liner. Toyota lists the 2022 shortbed crewmax at 65.6"lx 58.7'W x 20.9"H
@@kedrevs4037 "But 87 being ok and achieving the highest advertised HP and torque numbers are two different things." I don't think these are different things. Whatever the manufacturer of any brand publishes HP and torque numbers, they base that on the recommended fuel used. For example, Nissan has best in class HP and torque WITH premium fuel and they denote that. The email you got was interesting for sure.
I don't like that the tailpipe comes out the drivers side and they use fake engine noise piped in. The fender flares don't even cover the wheel wells and does not provide good protection. They don't look right to me. The front and back bumpers are made from molded plastic like cars and the least tiny bump will destroy them. This truck I feel is more car like and is made for people who don't really use a truck much as a truck. Just some of my thoughts I was hoping for better. This truck lies between the Honda pickup and the current Tundra.
That is an excellent comment with great points. I can't disagree thank you for contributing.
I’m a Toyota fan and owner.
So disappointed with the new tundra. The engineers were smoking crack when designing this one.
They copied all the other brands with cheapish styling and materials..it looks very similar to my pos Sierra. Same body panels and build quality..my new Sierra is the worst truck I've ever owned..these companies should be sued for poor quality products. Forget about all modern pickups, they are playing games right now. Go with a Tacoma or older model tundra..that's your only bet anymore. Maybe a f250 or ram25000 . The whole car market right now is collapsing
@@nocturnalme3549 I wouldn’t buy a car/truck right now but I lost an engine - need a vehicle asap. Trying to score something and then maybe trade in a year from now. The economy is in recession and I can see it collapsing end of year. Good for buyers. As you said, everything seems to be lacking in quality.
This is the "New Coke" of trucks, for any of you that were around when that took place. Coca-Cola changed the formula back due to CONSUMER Feedback (good for them BTW).
Great Analogy. I hope that means Toyota has plans to bring back the 5.7 in 10 months....do like a 3.92 10 speed with a hybridization.
The tundra is probably what it is for its customer base, a commuter truck. I used to have a 2014 limited and never once had to use 4lo ever, needed a locking rear diff, crawl mode, front tow hooks, max out towing or payload. It just got me to the office 5 days a week and tow a boat on some weekends, haul some construction materials from Menards, etc. We traded it for a new 2016 Sequoia platinum as we added another baby to our family. So I drove a Honda Accord to work. There’s a part of me that still misses my truck so I’ve been intrigued by what people are seeing in the third gen. and we’ll see, might spring for the new tundra after a test drive, and if it’s not a good fit, I’ll likely get a sport sedan like a Lexus IS500 to daily.
@@refineme if it suits your needs that is fine, doesn't make it more capable,
@@kedrevs4037 right, it’s definitely not as capable if you’re doing weekend rock crawling, off roading, towing skid loaders and farm equipment around, etc. I’d go HD and diesel for towing. Guys are now reporting huge wastegate problems with the turbos in the new tundras that require the cab be removed just to fix it. Dangers of buying first production run. I personally dislike the idea of putting a Turbo gas in a truck, I really like a dependable V8 and wish they kept it as an option, with an 8 or 10 speed and get rid of the 4:30 gears, total overkill for a commuter truck that hurts gas mileage. Here’s a video just posted regarding the wastegate issues. ruclips.net/video/wC5QMExIPNI/видео.html
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I was around for that one
Unfortunately Toyota never designs anything from scratch to save money, especially trucks, always borrowing from somewhere they shouldn’t be, designs already dated at launch, then fanboys on a string for the next 15 years waiting for headlamps amongst other things that illuminate the road, aren’t you embarrassed Toyota, it’s not the American team that should be fired, I think the Japanese team needs to go, this is prevalent in many Japanese companies, also they underproduce so you can overpay, that little gimmick has served them well as the Sheeple keep coming back for more punishment, Allison not lost if they address the at least two dozen missing items this truck needs to complete let alone lead, after all the fluff videos, the truth emerges, this rig is far from taking the crown, not even a rear step bumper, CMONMAN
Well at least you can get the long bed in a crewcab configuration. To me that's a
big plus.
Your very informative, but can you stop knocking down the 2022 tundra. If you don't like it, then don't buy it. It will give everyone else a better chance of getting one. You seem very negative about the whole truck. Give it a chance. It's the future. Things will not be the same as they were before, so get use to change. There is nothing perfect in the world. I never heard anything good from you about this truck. Let the people decide for themselves. My dealer tells me everything, because I ask questions and if they don't then maybe you should shop somrwhere else. Most of the things you complain about, people don't care. I for one look for a family truck that will last a long time. Toyota has that reputation. I'm Toyota all the way. You have your own opinion and so does everyone else, but stop putting the truck down.
I want Toyota to fix it. I certainly like change that includes progress. This truck is a regression, while other manufacturers are progressing.
That truck sucks. It’s weak and went backwards
Whether people like this video or not, at the end of the day YOU are going to make the decision to whether to buy it or not. Don’t knock on the reviewer if it doesn’t fit your narrative, simply unsubscribe and go on your merry way :)
@@kedrevs4037 tell it like it is!!! I agree with you!!! 2020 Tundra owner and I'd rather have a v8 and pay for the thirsty v8!!! I am 6'3 and it's the most comfortable truck I've owned. I wanted to trade in my 4th generation 4 runner 4.0 v6 4x4 for anther new Tundra crewmax 4x4 but I'll wait a couple of years to see how v6 tt's hold. I hope it will also be as spacious as my 2020 4x4 trd offroad crewmax (no sun roof) I need the head room and leg room 6'3 250lbs.
@Doppelganger I agree you took the words out of my mouth!!!👍👍👍👍👍
Absolutely love my 2018 1794 edition. All the things he’s saying about the 2022 versus the previous generations is absolutely the truth. Toyota should not have been pressured to make it “better”. The old adage goes if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
You guys don't like it then don't buy it. Enough said. Keep putting the Tundra down. In the long run it will be superior to all.
Lol. Thanks for the chuckle….
LOL
@@terryoliver5912 I know it bud
@@johnrambo4082 Typical whiney fanboy
@@thedesertdwellerfromutah4354 that's right
I've never had a problem turning into tight spots with mine again nitpicking or not knowing how to drive a truck
Under powered V6 engine, that needs twin turbos to get enough power….. a lot of buyers will have trouble with their lack of religious oil changes…re: turbo killer
Comment.....That's what happens when you go woke.....you get a snowflake truck.....LOLOLOLOLOL!
Not in sales. Just in certain areas like turning circle, and rear axle rating.
Keep knocking down this tundra. To real tundra owners this new truck sucks, period. What a fat disappointment thinking it was going to be mind blowing but it was all hype…Trash
Seemed to forget us buyers that picked them up because of their capability.
I am a huge fan of Toyota. I’ve owned a 4RUNNER, LandCruiser and a Tundra. I was waiting for the new Tundra to come out but after looking at it I’m actually thinking of going to a different brand. Never thought I would ever buy a truck that wasn’t a Toyota.
Hopefully Toyota gets some of the messaging and has left themselves some room to make improvements.
Go to Ram.
Michael to even go to another brand is a bad idea. I had the 2018 Tundra and bought the new 2022 Tundra Limited. As an owner for three weeks I can tell you that the small things mentioned in this video is none existent once you drive the truck. It’s amazing! Yes I know the rear bumper should have been designed better and they should have put tow hooks but to switch to Ford , Chevy or Dodge is a Huge mistake. I’ve owned them all and they are garbage. Yes Chevy has a cool tailgate and Ford and Dodge have some cool gadgets but the price you pay for a truck now a days it better be reliable and hold its value. The big three haven’t figured that out yet.
@@100868ful this guys a hater. He dedicates his whole life to bashing the new truck just so he can feel good about his 2nd gen.
@@Bosha92 ONLY an HD Ram. Avoid the 1500 series rams. The 2500 power wagon is phenomenal
What makes me frustrated with Toyota is that they had literally forever to come up with the next truck and pretty much dropped the ball. It went from 2007 to 2021 with a refresh and couple other updates…Ford had like 3 generations of f-150’s in that same amount of time. You would think they could have done better…the 2nd gen Tundra will forever be the best…imo
I've had my 2022 tundra for 2 months and it is amazing truck. I love it and would recommend to anyone.
Appreciate the comment, but I wonder how the guys with turbo issues would interpret that.
@@kedrevs4037 overall it sounds like an extremely small percentage of trucks that are doing it and they're getting fixed quickly as well.
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I don't think we know how many, and have not heard of any being fixed yet.
@@kedrevs4037 was watching a video about it and the youtuber was reaching out directly to toyota and that's what he was saying.
It’s taking people 4-8 weeks to get it fixed not that quick IMO lol
You keep breaking my heart on a new Tundra! But I appreciate these comparisons showing these differences how Toyota went backwards in so many ways! Good videos!
Depends on what your needs are. The 2nd Gen has served me great, wish Toyota had built on it's capability. Improved MPGs might suit some, but there are too many compromises for my needs.
@@kedrevs4037 Great points. The lack of step on the tailgate leaves me scratching my head. Overall the new gen meets my needs moreso than my 18. Great fuel economy, more power, higher payload, greater towing and a truck that blows the 2nd gen away in the driveability dept. Always a few issues with a new gen tho. Worth a test drive imo.
Your heart is going to shatter when you see what Toyota does to the 4Runner next year. I've been hearing rumors of a 4-cylinder turbo.
I specifically bought a new Tundra in 2021 to avoid the new generation. The gas mileage is horrible. But I'm more than happy to deal with that in lieu of dealing with all the issues that has come with the new generation.. it strikes me as odd that the new Tundras went from impossible to get, to seeing 22s already on the lot selling as used... who makes a 4 wheel drive pickup without front tow hooks? 🤯
Very well said.
I bought a 2021 also. Traded a 2016 for it. One thing that i noticed right away was the tail gate is much lighter than the 2016. I'm guessing that they used much lighter gauge metal on the 2021. I am seeing 2-3 highway mpg improvement 21 vs. 16 so it seems that they used lighter materials for the entire vehicle. I would like to have the cabin upgrades that the 3rd gen offers but the V8 reliability is more important to me. I'm really glad that I got one of the last 2nd gens.
Wow. Lots of great FACTUAL information on differences between the 22 and 21 Tundras. Thanks! Stocking with my 2020 SR5 4x4 for now.
Just bought a 2020 SR5 instead of a 2022 and don't regret a thing.
excellent information!! .. glad i saw this!.. i love my 2010 , very sad to see this, i was going to buy a new one . After seeing these steps backwards, with what I would consider very big design flaws, I've absolutely changed my mind!! Why in gods name did they do such a shit job in it's redesign!! Mine has been an absolute JOY to own, with rock solid reliability! haven't even needed to replace a bulb , still using the original serpentine belt! 125,000 miles. Breaks my heart... guess I'm just gonna keep mine and drive it till the wheels fall off!
I can't believe how far out the back tail light lens comes out so far. Are going to keep it or not? good video.
I have the 2023 tundra sx px double cab. I love it. yeah the mpg is a bummer but overall it’s working great. Pulls fine. it’s a truck, I don’t have a problem climbing up into the bed just like all my older trucks.
Hope it keeps serving you well.
Seriously contemplating canceling my order. Thank for the vid
The biggest concern I have with the 2cd gen tundra is it’s fuel consumption. it seems like the new tundra geared more towards leisure driving than a working truck.
If you want a working truck get a ford. Toyota had the luxury of not developing anything new for reliability. The moment they try something new, well. Its just ugly and sucks and seems like the enlarged some corolla/camry features for a truck interior
@@fsb_-bf3th I'm a Toyota guy, but my next door neighbor just got a new F-250 Tremor, and it's amazing.
@@zzanatos2001 yup, they might not be super reliable like toyotas are but there's also a reason why Toyota doesn't have the payload or towing numbers to compare
@@fsb_-bf3th that’s funny.
@@wayned3137 it sure is. Where's the Toyota 2500 or 250? Wait?.... LOL OR what happened to the T150?! Wait, copied ford again there! The tundra has copied fords with interior and exterior since the early 2000's. The only one that hasn't is the 08-13. Then they copied the interior after that. Toyota can't even design a v6 that can be worked on with the cab of the truck on still. This new gen needs the cab taken off to do work. They can't compete. The only time I see tundra on the job site is when helpers start and they end up needing to upgrade to a real truck
I will never buy a Toyota!💩🤮
One thing it's ugly doesn't look like a Tundra the last generation and generation before was much better than this one usually love Tundra trucks the 2022 is a huge disappointment.
Nothing in common with current gen, and that's not a good thing.
very subjective I think, I like the new styling over the old truck
I think I'll keep my gen 1's.
Simple, reliable workhorses.
They were the best Tundra they made.
I've had 3 1st gens. Get one with a good frame; do regular maintenance and they last forever.
The 2022 Tundra is Hideous. Not one thing I like about that truck. Last gen was such a sharp truck.
Totally agree! Bottom line - This new Tundra is a major step backwards.
I agree. Having owned Tundras for the last 12 years, their business was mine to lose, and they have. No easy way to get in the bed, and I don't mean a tailgate, just bumper steps would be fine. No tow hooks, smaller cab, worse turning radius. They missed so many simple things. Toyota was always top of my list. They are now below GM and Ford. I hope they fix this.
If someone from Toyota sees this, people don't care about gimmicky front spoilers that drop down, and a button in the tailight for the bed. Look at the GMC AT4, and build that truck with your quality. It sis functional, has steps in the bumper, much wider bed, tow hooks, great factory tires, factory lift. Only complaint is the fuel tank is 24 gallons. It should be 30 or 32.
Owned three reliable tundras since ‘07. The fact that you have to remove the cab in the ‘22 to service something in the engine is disconcerting. All the gear in the engine bay is packed in there with little room to spare w/videos pointing this out. However, the truck ks amazing via testimony trickling in from owners. *Ford eco boost was an abysmal failure early on with mechanics concurring their dumpsters were full of failed engine blocks. Toyota’s TTV6 will be better.
So glad I picked up a 21 this last November. It's sad to see Toyota go this direction. Hang on to them 5.7L boys...
My 15 trd ain't going anywhere
Same here. I was thinking about trading in but the saying is more electronics, more problems
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@@panicswitcharmy3754 I got the same truck !! Love it..how much miles u got on urs so far?
@@UAkovalchuk mines still a baby. I have 132000 kms. So like 90000 miles?
Im just glad I bought a 21 in September 21. Love the v8 and how simple everything is
Smart move.
SAME! I just bought a 2021 PLATINUM an I LOVE IT! V8 FTW!
@@Wtfmanlol And you got a good deal. The ‘22 MSRP is being gouged all over the place.
@@georgiafan6618 yeah these dealerships are crazy with the mark ups
@@oliverramclam6009 Toyo dealer buys back used ‘’21-22 Tundras with low mileage - pay seller almost what he paid when new. They re-sell them at or over sticker. They’re the only available trucks on their lots. Enterprise offered me $500 over KBB for my ‘12 with 120k miles. Used market is CRAZY
I agree and this is why i ordered a 2022 TRX.
To be fair to Toyota the thing about regular fuel was indeed a misprint. I don’t think that should count as a knock.
I’m so happy for you that TRX is going to be one beautiful truck. That is my dream truck also.
My gen 1 has 225,000. And has been on most back roads of Death Valley and never had an issue also haul firewood in the mountains of sierra Nevada mts use about 3/4 at oil every 4,000 miles
@@gringoreno sounds like you have a fantastic truck. Keep it until the wheels fall off.
The guy is obviously sour on the Tundras which is fine but he takes that bias and latches on to anything negative he can. So he goes into nonsense speculation a out the fuel with nothing to back it up.
thanks for the heads up. a game changer for sure. i own a 2011 and was considering buying a 22... ill check out the GMC for sure
You won’t be disappointed with the GMC. They have really stepped it up and are luxurious and spacious and way more capable.
Toyota flopped with this truck. Co worker bought one and he is very unhappy, mostly with the transmission shifting terrible. Dealer said their was nothing they could do. And the rear window leaks. He is going to try to trade it on a Chevy or Ford.
I’ve been a Toyota guy for the past 30 years now I’m starting to look at Ford sorry Toyota you all have ruined it
You won't regret it. See my response to "John Smith" a bit further up this page.
The legendary 5.7 v8 that could be taken pass 500k easily has been replaced with an v6 twin turbo that was first manufactured in 2017 what a shame
And the TTv6 is a mechanics worst nightmare they burn oil at 50k-60k
the new tundra is so ugly
despite the shortcomings you mentioned here, I place a very high value on reliability and safety when I buy a truck. I would still buy this truck all day long over the competition, hands down. The composite bed is such an improvement over a steel bed.
perhaps you should check out some of the posts on fit and finish problems, not to mention the turbo wastegate
Let us know how that turbo holds up for you.
I’ll chip in here I owned a 23 iforce max. I bought it thinking I was getting a reliable truck. It was not. it completely shut down on me at a stop light and not just because it’s a hybrid I mean it shut down like no gauges no lights nothing. It knocked itself out of gear backing out of a parking spot and let me tell you about the rattles omg the rattles. It was the fastest I’ve ever traded a vehicle in with the only good thing I can say being the resale value was decent. I personally went back to ram and will never buy Toyota again. Weird times we live in where a dodge is a higher quality vehicle than Toyota.
So disappointed in this new tundra
Yep, that is what i feel right now, but I have hope that Toyota will address problems before I need a new one.
Appreciate your video. Sometimes we need to hear the things dealers and won’t tell you!
The front is horrible. It looks like it's eating it's front bumper. No tow hook's . I guess they needed more grill room. lol lol The rear with no step to get in the bed is comical. I guess you could carry a bucket . It will give you something to puke in as you look at it I guess .The side profile is 100% gmc. Big elephant ear vents on the inside and that toilet bowl center arm rest is beyond belief . The toyota designers had to be high when they thought this was a good look. oh what a feeling....uglyota .
At 13 miles per gallon I would much prefer the 2022 model any day.
That's definitely worse than I get in my 5.7 Tundra. I get 15 town 17-20 highway. The increase in price from last year's model is going to negate your savings at the pump. By the time you break even the unknown reliability will become a factor.
Ford has the maverick if you want fuel savings..
No mention of turbo issues, which require TAKING BODY OFF CHASSIS (or pulling engine) TO SERVICE TURBO!!!!!! Dumbest engineering ever.
I have a 1993 Toyota still rolling, I been investing my money all my life not wasting it on cars and trucks and now I don't have to work to buy junk like this or have to ask anyone or anybody for the time of day. Fishing every day.
Also, the composite bed if hit and cracked on one side, the entire bed will need replacement !
I was really looking forward to this redesign, but the Tundra has come off my shopping list. You actually missed one of the biggest missteps which is Toyota's move to subscription based connected services. This means you have to pay a fee to be able to use remote start and a bunch of other features of the truck. I think Toyota has lost me for good. I will give the refreshed 2022 Chevy Silverado 3.0 diesel a close look. It's the only full size truck I would consider buying at this point because of its excellent capability and fuel economy.
Good luck!
You do know you can get an aftermarket remote start that works WAY better than the OEM key fob, right? For not much money either…
@@michaelgriffith2762 I could give a sh*t about the remote start, really. That's not the big issue with the new Tundra....there are many. The 'connected services' infotainment is nothing more than glorified spyware. The truck doesn't even have tow hooks. Thanks to the stupid rear bumper design, there is no integrated step to access the bed when tailgate is down...you have to buy a $500 accessory step. You can't special order a Tundra (or any Toyota) the way you want it, your only option is to buy a dealer spec truck with a bunch of overpriced accessories... and the list goes on and on. Fck Toyota. I'm done with them.
@@dlg5485 interesting. My dealer told me I can build a new tundra and they’d order it to my spec. It been a few weeks so maybe something has changed?
@@michaelgriffith2762 The dealer can choose to use one of their allocations to order your desired spec, but they don't have to and most of them won't...unless you add some accessories to sweeten the deal for them. In my experience, Toyota and their dealers are the absolute worst to deal with. I have special ordered over a dozen vehicles over the years from various brands exactly the way I wanted them with a small deposit and no questions asked, but Toyota simply doesn't operate that way.
The new Tundras no longer offer reliable 5.7 V8 N/A engine, but instead new, untested twin turbo V6’s (more strain and wear and tear on engine, more expensive to repair) and they’re ugly as sin. No thanks.
1 - bed depth got smaller
2 - cab got slightly smaller
3 - no bumper space to get into bed
4 - bigger turning radius
5 - smaller rear axle
6 - storage under back seat
7 - best performance comes with 91octane or higher.
+no V8 option !!
I'd say Toyota did a dam good job as long as it still carry the same QDR and resale value, more capability and better ride quality, some of us won't complain.
@@365handle Doesn't take much to impress you does it. You're the exact type of person Toyota had in mind to buy this junk when they went and ruined it
@@365handle Muh rEsAlE vAlUe and ReLiAbIlItY. Toyotas not that great and you sheep who are brand loyal cause these problems. It's worse in class truck and just copied main features of the big 3 to try and compete while leaving behind everything the tundra was.
@@jacobstrutner8232 there resale value is high because they feel sorry that people got suckered into buying the pile of junk
You claim Toyota is not going to tell you there is less headroom, but then you show Toyota's specs which do indicate less head room. Soooo, ya, they did tell everyone.
In 2022 they changed from leaf springs in the rear to coils for a better ride. So it makes sense that the load ratings would change.
Fair, but I guess since you want to be so technical about semantics, this is based on your interpretation of the verb “tell”. “Tell” has verbal connotation and not a published connotation. Since we’re down to being technical smartasses that want to play GOTCHA.
@@kedrevs4037 I'm not being a smartass. You made this video claiming they were not telling people about the differences, as if there is some conspiracy or they are being dishonest. But in reality, they publish all of the data. It isn't Toyota's fault that you didn't read the specs.
I've gone form a second gen '19 to the '22 and I agree with a couple of the negatives, especially the loss of 1.5" of the rear seat leg room. What easily carried 4 adult males (or 3 good size kids in the back) is now very cramped for 4 adult males (or at least the two suckers in the back). The other issue is the lack of the step into the bed. Yes, even though I would use my rims/tires, it was nice to have that step. I guess I'll have to dole out a few hundred more for the power step. That should have been standard. Haven't noticed the steering radius being an issue, nor the sluggishness (I don't think it exists if you run 87 or better). The load it can cary has gone up by 200+#'s, so you should correct that error in the video. It also tows more. The bed is smaller, but I doubt I'll notice the difference. The only time I would have an issue is with the height. There were a couple times I was right at the top with a bulky item when I had the Gator Trax closed, but I went with a folding tonneau this time.
There are a lot of positives though and overall I find it a better overall truck. Is it worth the $$? Probably not, but my '19 was totaled by a tree and I needed a new truck. Didn't even consider the others same in class. I've had a few Toyota trucks over the years and never had a problem. Worst issue was a vibration from my windshield when doing over 75 mph in my '07 Tacoma.
Appreciate the response and hope it continues to serve you well. Payload has gone up on the spec sheet, but not as much on the door stickers that I've seen. Most of the payload change is directly attributable to decreased fuel tank size.
RIP Toyota. So much for keeping these vehicles long term past warranty. Must remove cab from frame to replace those junky turbos. What I moronic design!
They built the 2nd generation as over built tougher than typical American trucks that last longer. Seems the 2022 is an SUV Toyota why would you have done this. It's certainly not a rugged work capable truck any longer.
Came for ridiculous Toyoda fan-boy comments, wasn't disappointed LoL
You hit the nail on the head. I’m a Toyota guy, own a 2016 Avalon and 1980 FJ40. I was seriously considering a new Tundra as a tow vehicle for my 40 but I’m disappointed in the Tundra due to a car-like payload rating, lack of flat floor in the back, no bed access, no tow hooks, no V8, and interesting styling decisions. The Tundra might reach its tow capacity without exceeding its payload with a 120lb driver, no cargo, and a bed full of helium. I just ordered a new F250 Tremor with the 7.3L V8. Similar price point and three times the capability. My money went to Ford this time.
Love that Tremor setup.
You are gonna love the 22’ tremor
Two guys have the 7.3 in the Tremor package at work. Some Nitto Ridge Grapplers and that is a hell of a truck. Bet that 7.3 lasts a long, long time too.
I worked as a tech for Toyota since 1981, on and off to the tune of 32 years total time with them as a master tech. I retired March 2021. I special ordered a new F-150, extra cab, 5.0 in 2018. Ordered the 3.31 rear for mileage, it's got 10 speeds anyways... I have squeaked near 27 mpg's on the highway out of it. Average with normal driving, mostly highway is 20-22. 16-18 around town driving easy. And yes as low as 12 around town putting your foot in it all the time. BUT, overall I love it an at 4 years later am still delighted with my choice of the truck for my needs. I had an 04 F-250 with the 6.0 diesel before it. Never had an issue with it either! YOU ARE GOING TO LOVE YOUR NEW FORD!!!
I hope your SD treats you better than mine. I traded my 17 tundra in on one last year. Power steering leaked at 400 and again around 2000 miles when they finally replaced the pump. Needless to say I traded it in for a 21 tundra before I couldn't get one. I loved that truck though and never would have ditched it if I didn't have any of the aforementioned issues.
Yeah I think I’m just going order a new 4Runner. I prefer proven reliability, not bells and whistles.
All those issues that you mentioned are getting fixed now and added on the 2023. I wish Toyota would have kept that as an option 5.7, or at least the 5.0 form the Lexus. Add that Hybrid system to improve the fuel economy. if I’m 6’4 and can seat behind me on the 2020 Extended cab, I tried the same on the 2022 and I couldn’t. I feel that Toyota did that on purpose to get people buy the Crew cab. That rear bumper is going to change quickly, they are getting a lot of negative feedback, make the less resistant to small accidents. In the old Tundra the bumper was modular.
But you forgot to mention that Tundra is way better than Ford, Chevy and Dodge in its category am I right? As a matter of fact, I am in the market of getting me a Limited crew max why? Cause it is TOYOTA!
I just rented a 22 tundra sr5 when I was traveling. Pretty decent truck. It felt like a bigger Tacoma. The no steps into the bed was pretty annoying. That one is a head scratcher for me. How do you design a truck without something like that. Amazing how that passed the design stage.
My 2019 Tundra Trd sport 5.7 is at the dealership awaiting parts to completely rebuild the rear differential! We were on the highway and noticed a whining noise coming from the rear of the truck when on the throttle only. It only has 11k miles on her! The mechanic at dealership said he heard the noise even louder when it was ran in gear on the lift. The truck is very lightly driven and has not even seen a salty winter as of yet. 2 recalls and now this in 11k miles. Thankfully it is covered under the drivetrain warranty 5yrs and 60k. Bad luck or? I have to say I am disappointed.
I would be too. That stinks. Don't see many posts like this about the 2nd gen
Great points. I don't like the worst break over and approach and departure angles. You have to spec SR5 to get 18 inch wheels. Tail gate remote sucks for me sometimes I want a locked truck with a unlocked tailgate. I don't like the feeling of a button for the tailgate. Rear shock are venerable to getting hit more than old gen.
Great Points, hopefully Toyota gets some of these things addressed.
What is your problem TOYOTA? I guess you just can’t stand prosperity!
RIP to the early adopters. Always wait a while till they get the kinks out
Toyota is pretty reliable, but this is sound advice. I generally made a habit about of buying late in the model cycle before the refresh.
Another American product that's like our citizens always looking for shortcuts and becoming more mediocre by the day.
Thanks for the video. Yea the dealership will never tell you anything negative, just everything you want to hear. Im happy with my 18 tundra. I will keep it forever and in the future 2-3 years maybe I'll then consider another Tundra and give my 18 one to my Son.
Toyota is going to hell in a hand basket cab of truck have to come off to repair or replace the turbos (what a bucket of worms). Ford F 150 bets hands down offers V8 normal asperated with good gas mileage Toyota get a brain.
Makes me appreciate my first gen way more now
Love the first gen. Been such a great truck,
First gen is best gen IMO. Love them so much.
I only average 11.4 mpg by the computer..im always pulling a small trailer...and when I pull my rv I get like 8 mpg
All these RUclips Channel reviews fail to mention Toyota has merged Lancruser/ Tundra platforms. Toyota isn't trying to be like the big 3 American companies thank God.
Toyota is the only manufacture that modestly rates payload/towing.
I have mentioned TNGA-F several times as have others. It is not a good thing if you want a truck, it is if you want an SUV with Truck skin.
Perhaps you haven't realized the average Tundra consumer wants a truck with all the amenities of an SUV... For those of us that are Landcruiser enthusiasts though... 🔥
Tow ratings are recommendations, In 2007 when the Tundra came out with its tow ratings a certain manufacturer 3 months later revamped theirs to make it better than the Tundra without changing anything mechanically on their truck.In 2011 Toyota started to follow the J2807 Towing rating scale which the big 3 wrote. The funny thing is the big 3 didnt start following the J2807 ratings until 2018 .Manufacturers can set their tow ratings to whatever they want.The Tundra could easily tow 12,000lbs or more on their previous generation Tundra. The only thing that kept them doing that was a 5 bolt hub pattern.
"Manufacturer".
It seems if you are buying a truck you have to go American made brands. The Americans have this area of the auto industry in their corner. Japanese can't really build a truck to keep up with Americans. And it's always a good idea to to wait a couple of years on a new model to get the bugs out on any brand.
Bought 5 new Tundras and drove Tundras for over a decade. I bought an AT4 Sierra with the 6.2 in late 2020 because Toyota pushed back the refresh again. This new model is a huge disappointment. The big screen is trying to distract from the shortcomings. You are better off buying a Ford EcoBoost if you want the 3.5 TT.
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I have a 2021 pro, do you like better your AT4 Sierra then the Tundra?
@@edgarmartinez1512 I do. I do not think it will be as reliable as a 2021 and earlier Tundra, but it has far more power, gets better mileage, and is nicer inside.
@@cstgx Right there with you. The GMC is so much nicer. I get an extended warranty on everything so I'm not worried. Love the GMC. I feel like I'm no longer stuck in the 80s.
My 22 is perfect, 🖕🏾 what he’s talking about
Solid points. Had the opportunity to test drive a 22 Tundra last week, besides cabin interior improvements and MPG, it seemed like a step back as far as utility. Ended up with a 🐏
Rams are known for electrical issues & bad transmissions
I had godd experience with one of the very first 2012 Ram Limiteds. Kept in for 6 years and 130k miles. No real mechanical issues. Had perpetual brake squeek, and a leaky sunroof in heavy rains that drove me nuts. But drove great when I traded it in on the Tundra in 2018. Really had a little buyer's remorse on the way home, missed the Ram for a few days, but really appreciated the Tundra after a while.
All I can say is good luck. I'm not going to buy another Ram anytime soon.
2017 Ram 1500 Sport:
4 transmission repairs
3 manifold blow outs, yes the 5th gen still has that going on. I'm also waiting for the Cam roller failure the 5.7L suffered from.
2 backup cameras
1 driverside mirror
1 front passenger window motor
1 map light, they had to replace the whole part, not just the bulb.
1 RF hub
2013 Ram 1500 Laramie:
Air ride leaks, I would never recommend an airride suspension in a Ram Truck.
4 air compressors for the air ride
1 new engine due to roller failure
2 Transmission repairs
1 Passenger side mirror
2 RF Hub
1 Coil pack failure over cylinder 7 on the brand new engine at 52,000 mi, that was a fun drive to the dealership.
That's why I'm buying a Ford with the 2.7L
Yep, some of you guys be expecting a rocket ship instead of a pickup truck so we can understand your feelings.
New tundra cabs are also much smaller
The much anticipated redesign is an epic fail. Count wait for their release, now you couldn’t give me one.
Unbelievable that there is no step into the bed of the truck.
Oh Waaaahhh. You definitely sound like the kind of guy that would be moving a valuable painting.