1) No upgradable RAM. It's soldered on the motherboard. 2) No upgradable SSD. It's soldered on the motherboard. 3) The touch bar actually makes you work with more actions than needed. The dedicated physical keys are still the fastest way to work. 4) Touch screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Touch bar. 5) Too many dongles required to actually make this machine productive out of the box. Sorry, but I can only see flaws that make this laptop an overpriced piece of kit. There are plenty of actual PRO laptops out there that can and do perform way better for the same price tag.
Mauro Sanna ...But perform worse due to not being as optimized as OS X. With well optimized firmware, you don't need 32 GB of ram and what do you do on your devices that requires you to have tons of storage?
No, they perform way better. I expect at least 32 GB RAM from a pro computer. Firmware has nothing to do with memory amount and its speed. I work as a professional CG artist and I know very well what a "PRO" computer should do and how it should perform. If I wanted an expensive toy, then yes, the Macbook Pro would have been... No, wait, there still is better hardware among the competitors. And by the way, I have been working with Macs since more than 20 years, professionally. I still own a Mac at home, and I own Apple devices. So I know what I am talking about. Apple just doesn't care anymore about theur Pro user base. Simple as that.
Obi Alfred Any Precision from Dell is fully upgradable, has professional GPUs (NVidia Quadro) and much faster CPU lineup. Other brands are also better thant the Appke Macboo Pro. Writing a list is pointless, just use your best friend, Google. If you work as a professional you will definitely know where and what to search for. You shouldn't even ask such a question.
You need a dongle to connect your iPhone 7 to your Apple Macbook, that's Interesting. So a Surface Pro can charge/sync/backup an iPhone while a Macbook can't 😅
+Amr Elnaka You always do everything the hard way ? You *COULD* replace the 'I need a dongle to sync' to 'I need a USB-C to lightning cable' for my iPhone now... and then I don't need a dongle.... but that would be too easy right ?
They keyword is "Use".. Gimmicks are usually not even fun to use and are just there to portray fake advancement. "Cool and fun" on the other hand is convenient and useful, it's just that you would survive without it.
"Ok guys, I'm gonna trash the Macbook Pro 2016, be warned Apple fans": Proceeds to make a >10 min completely apologetic video. These machines have some nice improvements, but there's several things wrong here (other than the lack of ports) First, the previous processors were really dated, so it was normal to expect a significant increase in performance, not just a marginal one. Second, you DO lose usability for not having function keys. You have to use them for many shortcuts. The point of shortcuts is that if you learn them, you can use them without taking the eyes off the screen just by mechanical memory. With non tactile response, contextualized virtual buttons, you must take your eyes off the screen and search the action you want to use. Just consider the difference between pressing crl+c (or the mac equivalent), to having to look at the touch bar, having to search the copy button on the touch bar, and then pressing and look again at the main screen. I use the function keys all the time, even just when I'm browsing. Now I can't imagine how impractical it must be for someone who has learnt +30 shortcuts for any professional program. So yeah, the touch bar could be a somewhat interesting feature if they hadn't taken off the fn keys AND the escape button. It's a stupid casualization of a supposedly pro machine.
***** "Just consider the difference between pressing crl+c (or the mac equivalent)" - that was an example for you to imagine why function keys are better than the touch bar. Try to imagine having to use the touch bar instead of Cmd+C.
Samuel Lakatoš Thanks. Yes this is exactly what I meant. I just used the copy shortcut because it's probably the most well known of all. But there are many examples with the fn keys. Even in chrome, f5 or f6 are very useful. And answering to another comment, yes, I have used mac computers plenty of times. I just don't own one and I don't know the shortcuts.
***** Wrong: support.apple.com/en-us/HT204436 Also, you could claim that it says there's an option to make the function keys permanent. True. But what's the point in having the same keys, but with zero tactile feedback then? Was it really so difficult to make space for another row of keys with an slightly smaller touchpad (which is gigantic), if they wanted to add the touchbar so much?
Syuna haha i know right. Apple should have taken away the Headphone jack on this 2016 Mac though. That'll show those apes. I mean who needs them. If you want one buy an Android or Windows.
Apple lost me as a mac customer back when they ditched the 17' Mac book pro as a person with a visual impairment 15' is just to small of a display and the 13' is almost impossible for someone like me to use
vladimir laws i see no issues on the iphone lineup, other than no 1080p screen on the ip7 and 1440p on the ip7+. the new cpu is like an intel laptop cpu, and that says alot (for a phone). ipads will be ipads, still the fastest pads out there. the imacs are still great AIO products, and that 5K screen is gorgeous irl. BUT! their macbook pro lineup pricing is way off specially in EU.
vladimir laws i sync wireless to my PC :) but yes, it SHOULD have been a lightning to thunderbolt cable in the box for the macbook imo for that price. thankfully i bought a usb-lightning-3.5mm adapter on ebay for 2.5USD
On my Phones(LG and Samsung) that i owned over the past 4 years i haven´t used the 3.5mm headphone jack at all...Wireless headphones is so good when you are out. On my Computers on the other hand, due to my soundsystem at home using it i think its good that apple still have it on there computers...
xnonsuchx they don't need to remove a headphone jack to make something "water resistant". Samsung managed to make their phone waterproof and even waterproof the headphone jack
Jeppe Werring But it takes time to diagnose *(Apart from the extension cord being hidden under the plastic cover)* them and see if they aren't just hoaxes.
Jeppe Werring But when you are buying an $1,800 laptop *(In some parts of Europe, it would cost about €3,500)*, then the costs for a set of dongles wouldn't hurt. Plus, USB 2.0 is kinda dying right now. There are already loads of USB C tech out there.
We Play Wax Intel created thunderbolt and own it apple only dominates it on there laptops because it follows there simplicity as well it's impossible to force everyone to custom proprietary plugs in a professional workstation system. Then there's some arctical I read about an ex Intel executive mentioning thunderbolt and why Apple is only company with it being that they are the only company with the structure and custom part cost wasn't that much for Apple since the profit margins were so high. Maybe other reasons such as kick backs, but otherwise no apple didn't design or create or patent USB type c or thunderbolt .. They can get away with closing things down and making custom chargers and cables on phones and tablets because that's the nature of those devices they always been like that (before smartphones and since) Side note: my Z170 skylake desktop has USB-type C with thunderbolt 3.0. Same with my asus gaming laptop... and yes it supports external GPUs as well.. both of these have had it before Apple combined USB C with thunderbolt.
The thing about the touch bar is that you have to look down to use it. That renders it useless for me since I already know my keyboard shortcuts by heart. That means I'm paying like $300 for something that isn't optional and is forced on me even if I won't use it. Also, I need that escape button.
David Karlsson Just wait two years and buy one used from a nice apple repair / second hand store. But everyone is right about this stupid bar, it needs to be tilted up and out towards the user several degrees so it's easier to use while working.
SweBass you know, he never said the world did, he only said that where he lived, due to time zone, it was uploaded late. stop being a hypocritical little shit, you and the rest of the people that liked your comment. no reason to be butthurt, and maybe pulp those those spiked roses out of your ass before replying.
Hey Jon, lil useful tip if you don't feel like clicking and deleting your cut clips. All you gotta do is press Alt [ or ] (depending on what you want to delete). Hope you see this and it helps!
The price performance ratio is reaaaaally bad on these new macbooks. You get so little for so much money! And the impudence of apple saying "thank you for overspending on our new macbooks, now please go over there and buy our adapter-set that, of course, is not included". Unbelievable. The new touchbar is a nice upgrade, if you look just at the macbook line. But if you know that you could have a full touchscreen with pen support, it becomes a gimmick.
L HK because gaming specs are essential for fast productivity. and we look at specs because we want to know if this piece of shit can handle work that professionals do, which by the way, they don't
Keyboard Warrior Actually. This is running MacOS. Which requires less power to run. It can do basically everything (except gaming) smoothly. What else do you want? Gaming specs are for gaming. Funny enough. You said you want to know if this can handle professional work but at the same time you said it can't. This is what we called biased.
Hey Jono, Its not so much that the touch bar is not a good update over the standard function keys, to me, it is that I have waited so long for a Macbook Pro update and how they integrated the touch bar is not good (its just not, admit it). I feel it would have been awesome to use some of that track pad real estate and add an AMOLED track pad that adds some extra functionality (most used function button on the side), as when I used this touch bar I had to look down and what I wanted to touch, where as with the standard function keys I can feel them and have muscle memory as to where they are so there is no need to look up (I felt myself using the onscreen options with the mouse over the touch bar). The touch bar should have been place above the track pad, or replaced the last line of keys on the keyboard such as the space bar, CMD keys etc....... then you will not need to look up and reach OVER the keyboard to add an emoji. I did purchase the Touch bar model, actually the exact model you showed in your video. I then changed this and took a maxed out Macbook Pro with no touch bar as that bar is not a game changer it is a gimmick, no matter how you sugar coat it, it does not warrant the price jump. I also have a Macbook (2016 model) and I find myself using this more than the Macbook Pro. At the end of the day when you are choosing an Apple product and have the money to purchase one, every spec and function MATTERS. Purchasing a Windows laptop you tend to make more exceptions to functionality as it is cheaper and generally has better specs (optimization of OS aside as apple is the best here). Should you have a Maxed out or standard older Macbook Pro only upgrade if you can sell it for a decent price. Love the videos, dont like that you, MKBHD, Austin etc....are all clones of one anther, same angles, camera styles and presentation, a little more personality would be great as if I watch an Austin video I automatically know you will have the same product to showcase and will be reading from the same script, only with some word changed. Dont be a sell out dude, this video overall looks like one big Apple commercial LOL, RUclips audience will call you out, we control shit.
How is it a commercial? LOL He backed up EVERYTHING he said with benchmarks. Everyone here is convinced there's some giant conspiracy and that there's no way a newer MacBook pro is actually faster than an older MacBook pro. You're all blinded by hating on apple.
You're the one blinded by apple (or either you need to improve your reading skills). He complained about the touchbar, not the performance (which btw, is still a fair complain, as the previous processors were really outdated, and a bigger improve was expected). He said he bought the non touch bar version to have the fn keys. How can be an apple hater if he said he bough a pro, replaced it by another version, and even more, he already had a macbook 12? He probably is an older mac user than you. Really, this attitude is just toxic. You can disagree with him, but not everyone who complains is a hater. Stop acting like a cultist.
New viewer here. If you are a one-man-band that cranks out these videos, mad props to you. Holy hannah. You know how to light, you know how to shoot, your mograph skills hit the right mix of info/intrigue. Clearly, you've got a good process down to knock these videos out quick. Great, great work, man!
I absolutely love your videos and I could not agree with you more. It feels like people are fighting progress, on every device from every company. We should appreciate the products and all that they are trying to do, especially if they are trying to move forward.
Joelbi, he uses a MacBook Pro. And justifies it because of Final Cut. In fact, he is responsible for many youtubers changing to FCPX (MKBHD, Austin Evans, and I believe Snazzy Labs more recently.)
As far as I know, once you buy an app through the Mac App Store, you can install it on as many of your personal* computers as you want. Personal here refers to belonging to and used by you according to the Terms and Conditions of the Mac App Store.
First time i'm happy to stay with my 2012 mbp quadcore i7 and lots of delicious ports like network usb oh all that goodness without a dongle in sight wel just one for my monitor haha
The new model is 46s and the 2015 is 1.46s so when copying a file seems like he did investigate a bit more. Besides were talking about a MacBook high price otherwise known as MBP I'm not calling it pro machine as a pro user meaning I make a living using computers de mbp's have bin going downhill in the pro department winds mid 2012 when all the ports like wired network have bin removed and the dongle fest started. Btw I'm not a fanboy but rather believe that these are tools rather than life changing/ altering tools ;-) these tests are in line with the targeted audience not real technical pro's but prosumers so I see no problem with this fashion of testing
I got this exact model with specs you mentioned, and it's great! The battery life lasts more than 10 hours, and I do gaming for about 2-3 hours, and it doesn't heat up that much. I have no complaints for this laptop.
Not a fanboy, but I really hate when anybody says a company like Apple is not innovative. Design, UI, and and convenience are all subjective matters that cannot be factored into whether something is innovative or not. Specs are objective and can be: and every iPhone has a faster processor, better battery, better screen resolution, and more complex AI and software than every previous iPhone. Therefore, objectively, they are innovating their phones. Like you said, people need to look at things for what they are..Not for what they want them to be. After all, what else do you want your fucking phone to do?
Captain Obvious but Apple isn't innovative anymore. Look at what companies like Samsung and Xiaomi are doing, then look at the iPhone... It hasn't changed in 3 years. The new MacBooks are pretty much the same as the old ones, while Microsoft are making awesome laptops and tablets. Apple used to lead the way when it comes to innovation, now they are constantly behind everyone else. Faster processor and better battery life isn't innovative, it's expected and every new phone has that. And the screen resolution on the iPhone is behind everyone else, it hasn't changed in years. Look at the Microsoft Studio... everyone was amazed by it and it's beautiful. I can't remember the last time Apple did something exciting, they've lost it in the last few years.
J Hughes Everything you've just said was completely subjective and only applies to you as an individual. Your own personal feelings. "I can't remember the last time Apple did something exciting." That applies to YOU. To some, the touch bar may be the most incredible thing they've ever seen. Irrespective of what other companies are doing, and regardless of if their tech is more powerful or less, every iPhone and mac is more powerful than the last and has been that way since Apple was created and since 2007 when the iPhone came out. From an objective standpoint, Apple is innovating it's tech, by the very definition of the word.
Captain Obvious The same thing applies to you, that everything is subjective. No need to get pissy when someone says "Apple ain't innovative". Isn't that obvious, Captain Obvious?
Remember in 2006 when the HP Pavilion came out. Fingerprint scanner "Touch ID", IR remote control "sits in the side slot", HDMI, Sd card slot, USB, DVD, Firewire, Ethernet, configurable RAM, & touch bar for media control. When Laptops where actually Laptops. Well 10 years ago .... Apple.
The problem isn't the touch bar. It's that they expect us to pay £700 more for it (Comparing it to last years 512GB 16GB Ram model) priced at £2000 vs £2700. They're so smug in their presentations when they really have no right to be; offering ok specs, very little innovation, barely any aesthetic changes, for extortionate money. 2015 macbook pro's were already a little overpriced by maybe £200-300 more than the equivalent PC because their build quality and design is top notch. I don't mind this and accept it. But really they have gone to far in making it possibly £1000 more than equivalent (or better) spec PCs. I used to be a fan. Not anymore.
So, performance-wise, if you extensively use adobe software the 2016 model is better, but if you make extensive use of almost any other piece of software, it's worse? Rather than being jaded, I think you reviewers are giving apple way too much slack. That, coupled with the fact that most reviewers have a "Herp derp Works for Me!" mentality and fail to take other usecases into account makes most of these reviews useless for the majority of the people you're criticizing. It's almost as if reviewers are making these reviews for themselves. Disgusting.
hahahahahaha. Yea, he should learn to 3d model, code, design building etc etc, learn all the respective programs and then review the fucking laptop. You're kidding right? That's why google exists. Just google something along the lines of "is mbp 2016 15 inch good for X". Jeeeez
Don't put words in my mouth. What I'm arguing for is that he shouldn't dismiss issues as minor or insignificant because they don't effect him personally. He shouldn't belittle people who rightfully criticize design flaws that effect them. What I'm arguing for is a well rounded review where the reviewer at least tries to be objective, not this shit.
I totally agree with what Jake said. He nails what I think about the whole RUclips tech community: There's way to much panegyrizing going on recently!! Yes, we DO appreciate new innovative features, but that doesn't mean we simply ignore any other negative aspect about a new product. Thing is: Yes, the touchbar is pretty awesome, and I can see many companies taking useful advantages of it. BUT that doesn't make up for the lack of USB ports, SD card readers etc. If USB-C was a universal port that would suddenly make any other USB port obsolete, that would have been a wise decision. But it's 2016 for god's sake. Apple fanboys might argue that Apple is ahead of its time - too far ahead if you ask me!!
By the way, as an Android fanboy, I feel the same way about the Google Pixel. It's just not as good as youtubers make it look like, all fanboying aside!
Are you guys kidding me. ALL other youtubers are going hard on Apple and mention and emphasize all the downsides. Instead this takes it more lightly. Sure he dismisses some issues as minor as you said, but its not that he is lying or anything. Besides the price, which was always an issue, this machine is not much different than any other ultrabook out there. It might not be as innovative or good as the older models were for their time, but come on. Again, not saying that the review is not flawed, but most other reviews out there are not either. This just focuses on the brighter side.
I'm an art student and I excessively am using Lightroom and Photoshop from adobe and I work on huge files that can get up to 3GB a piece and I've been looking for a computer that will seamlessly support these programs! Your videos are super helpful in Apple research because there's such a wide range of opinions over Apple products already so it's hard to find a video with clear cut facts! Good job dude
You seem to be an Apple fan. Can you give your opinion about the Surface Book? I want to know what you think about the device and maybe compare it with the MacBook.
Another review not mentioning potential problems that buyers should be aware :-( (soldered ssd, sharing private data with apple repair people, no way to upgrade ssd, no way to copy your data if motherboard fails)
No way to remove battery immediately if something spills or crashes..No way to upgrade ram (soldered) ..Not user serviceable, very rudimentary and primitive os with locked down features..very small collection of applications.. I could go on and on..
Why do Americans use the word "super" for sentences that can use the word "really" for ex: really attractive, super sounds silly as fuck, shake my head.
The best, most thorough and most objective review of the new MacBook Pro online. I really appreciate the real world render tests, proving it is the fastest MacBook Pro ever made. Never mind Geekbench, this thing flies. I'm upgrading from my 2012 Retina, to a fully spec'd 15". Thanks for this review!
Look, I understand that you are a huge Apple fan. As a reviewer, you should be completely honest. This computer brought so many disappointments to Mac users. First of all, the touch bar is stupid, Pro users use keyboard shortcuts and it's much faster than expanding touch menus and trying to locate certain functions. You mentioned switching among tabs in Safari, I do it with control+tab and control+shift+tab. It's much faster than reaching out almost to the screen to tap it. Also, you got the trackpad which is much easier to reach. And please don't mention emojis because it's stupid. If I told you that there is a small touch peripheral pad that displays your emojis and it's 300$ would you buy it?? Yes, it's helpful to display emojis this way but it doesn't justify the price. With no power, older CPU, AMD graphics!!, and lots of dongles to worry about it's just not worth it.
This is not a "PRO" laptop. Apple feels the need to take away features that pro users often use. Dongles are not a solution. It just shows the MBP is now an incomplete laptop and can't be useful unless you buy more things. The fact Apple doesn't even make the iPhone, their own product, compatible is insane. You buy a $3K "PRO" laptop and you can't even plug in a hard drive, stick drive or ... anything. You can't even plug in your iPhone! So, you have to do your research and piece meal together a bunch of dongles. Boy, that's so portable, easy and sleek! Touch bar is a novelty but why loose all the function keys that pro users often quick key with? Why not ADD a touch bar and not take away keys? A touch bar will never be as fast as keys because you can't just go by feel. EMOTICONS? Really? Click-swipe with a mouse is seriously slower than that touchbar? Come on. Why not ADD "the future" ports to USB 3, and all the other ports? How about MORE ports? Isn't this a PRO laptop? Why no MAGSAFE? So you really only have 3 ports since power will often be used. Why bump the price even on the 13" MB that they didn't even change? Apple went backwards with this MBP. It's designed like it should be a Macbook or Macbook Air. There is nothing pro about it.
It's not really baffling but very cynical towards the users. Basically they de-contented, raised the price and only changed superficial things that appeal to casual users. Many photo and video pros use the SD slot, and that's gone. The thing that makes a laptop impressive is INTEGRATION. It's sleek because it can do everything from the chassis. This MBP is not sleek, not pro grade. I expect the next gen MBP will not have a keyboard and you will have to dongle it if you want to type. .. Wait, isn't that the IPad ? Yes, now you know where Apple is going with their Pro laptops. What surprises me are the positive reviews that do not fully address fundamental problems and just buy into silly apple hype
"Why bump the price even on the 13" MB that they didn't even change?" They did change the new non-touch bar MBP. It has the new thinner, lighter design, the new display, and the new ports. Just no touchbar and no touch id.
When a new Macbook Pro comes out your old one is not obsolete, the new one might not be to your liking but the new things became standard by the time you are ready for an upgrade. A fellow student of mine (I am studying physics) bought a spec-ed out MBP in 2011 and it is still fine. Mine might have a nicer Retina display but his is still long-lasting and well built and fast.
Honestly everyone complained last year how bad the speakers in the 13" Macbook Pro were and that the Retina Macbook is so much better, I really love the speakers in the 13", they are quite good. At home I have my iMac and that is 3 classes up the game and it competes with my hifi system. Some may complain that the 13" has no bass but I really appreciate that when it is night because it is much quieter for people in the other rooms.
this guy thinks hes super techie and uses numbers and fancy words to confuse people into thinking he knows what he is talking about. This video is empty, no actual information.
Touch bar pretty pointless in comparison to the touch screen Microsoft are doing... apple used to innovate. Then Steve Jobs died rest his soul and all those underdogs who he wouldn't shift for are now top dogs and dragging apple through a shit pool thinking this is innovative and fresh... and that sacrificing connectivity, sustainability, upgradeability for a few mm thinner macbook (-pro) is what its all about... I'm a creative and i shifted to Mac because apple catered to this industry more so than Microsoft now it seems they have lost that edge. R.I.P... p.s don't give a shite about anybody else opinion, thats your own i will not entertain it as my mind is set, and who are you to change it.
Dean Gatenby, who are you to dictate whether or not somebody would reply to your comment? It isn't revolutionary, although it's a nice addition. Touchscreen is another topic altogether. Not everybody would love it, although it is admittedly a nice addition. It'd probably cost at least $200 more for the touchscreen alone.
Not dictating... your volunteering... i was simply making it clear my mind was set, and another opinion wouldn't change it so don't try... are you attempting to try? An extra $200 for a full touch screen would be fine... for moe functionality, compared to the $299 you have to pay for a little gimmicky LCD you have to look at when using it. if you like then thats great... no idea what a professional would use it for given you have to focus on that when using it instead of on the actual screen. Whatever floats ya boat... my stance remains.
Steve Jobs was not keen on the idea of a touchscreen macbook. He saw it not being ideal to use such a thing on a vertical surface, hence the Ipad tablet.
Jonathan, you are so massively good with editing and video ideas. The music and yellow line is so brilliant and shows your professionality! Been a long time fan and everything just gets better and better, congratulations :-)
Yes, weighing in at 10 lbs and being the size of a dorm room refrigerator. Nobody buys a MacBook Pro for gaming, so what's the point of comparing it to a fat and heavy gaming laptop with 10 minutes of battery life to a thin and light productivity machine? Price is only stupid if nobody is willing to pay it. TONS of people pay for these laptops without even blinking. It's the same reason the whole luxury car industry exists. You can buy a fully loaded Kia for less than the cost of a base Audi that has fewer options and creature comforts, but you're still driving a fucking Kia. That's the point. Some people don't care if you can get more for their money elsewhere, they have a brand preference, and lots of times with good justification. Ever consider resale value? It's shit on PC. Macs hold their value really well. Factor that in and the price of a new MacBook seems less significant. What about reliability and customer satisfaction? And support? Apple always tops those charts when people like JD Power and Consumer reports gather info on such metrics.
You just forgot to mention THE MANY YES MANY BAD THINGS ABOUT MAC BOOK PRO 16. God for a biased review. il make a little list since u seem to forget ALOT. -Bad keyboard with almost no travel distance (not acceptable for writters) -High keyboard "smashing" sound (almost like punching hard plastic) -ALOT of USb 3 devices that is connected to an adapter over USB C.., makes WIFI stop working on mac pro 16 (yes this is an issue for many ) -Mag SAFE gone !! - Horrible at gaming.., Even low hardware req. games lag. (battlesiege unplayable. mafia 3 barely playable at the lowest settings!) 16 GB ram MAX. Alot of us "pro" users need atleast 32 gb ram for our software to run smoothly. Barely any repair-ability if some senors go wrong (as been reported as a problem *faulty sensors) but ready to pay alot to fix it when warranty goes out. -Overly High price compered to what the machine actually can do when the competition can so much more
I love your passion for technology. You are so right that people are no longer happy with new tech and always ready to hate... Let's just enjoy the tech! 🙌🏽
The test of coverting files has a lot to do with the storage writing and reading speeds, and like you showed us, its 40% faster than the MBP 2015, so your "tests" pretty much doesnt show that the MBP 2016 is faster than the MBP 2015. And your excuse of the touchbar being not a gimmick is just lame. Worst MBP ever.
zeus1117 Of course it has a lot to do with the cpu, but it has a lot to do with writing and reading speed too, if you have a super powerfull CPU but crappy reading/writing speed it will still be slow, since it has to read the file to convert it and then write it again in the hdd or sdd. In this case, the last year CPU is actually better (not by a lot), and the differences in converting speed has more to do with the writing/reading difference between the 2 MBP, in which the gap is bigger.
>so your "tests" pretty much doesnt show that the MBP 2016 is faster than the MBP 2015. There's nothing about "storage writing and reading speeds" that will speed up the conversion of a Premiere file of a few GB to the extend shown here. SSD read/write will make apps load much faster, because they are mostly bound by IO. The video rendering tests he did are bound by GPU/CPU. That said, even if that wasn't the case, the machine would STILL be faster than the MBP 2015 in those tasks. If your machine does a task in 20% less or even half the time, only an idiot would complain about whether it does it because of faster CPU or faster GPU or faster disk, or faster BUS etc. It does it in LESS TIME, period. >And your excuse of the touchbar being not a gimmick is just lame. Lots of professional musicians and video editors, for one, paid good money for such "gimmicks" in the form of the Lemur and other context-sensitive touch strips and panels. And the Optimus Prime keyboard which offers customizable OLED keys goes for $1000+ (the keyboard alone). >Worst MBP ever. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
foljs You have absolutly no idea of what you are saying, the Touch bar is indeed a gimmick, with almost no support from adobe and other editing programs (for now) and tou compare it with the Optimus Maximus keyboard which has amoled screens in every key and was used by gamers, NOT EDITORS, look at the reviews, it sucked for editing photos and videos because it was too cumbersome. And let be honest, only amateurs use MBP, real pros dont buy laptops.
Mathias Schroder Exactly. Nobody does serious work on a touchpad or touchbar. It's only something rough for on the go, or when you are not doing serious stuff. There are professional mice and Wacom tablets for example.
Apple has completely lost touch with reality, and fan boys like me (and most of you) look like idiots when we say stupid things like removing ports from a machine is "innovation" and "the future." Stripping ports from a computer is NOT innovation, it is a ChromeBook. For the foreseeable future, video cameras will continue to store video on SD cards. That means removing internal SD card readers from the MacBook Pro isn't readying us for "the future" at all, it is merely Apple prioritizing its image for pretty design over our need to get work done. Number of people laying awake at night wishing Apple would make the new MacBook Pro 11mm thinner: ZERO. Number of people who use internal SD card readers and ports, that will continue to need those ports for the next 3+ years? Pretty much everyone. Apple is the only company I know of where "Space Gray" is a newsworthy feature... and the world is laughing at us.
It seems like suddenly every youtuber in the whole universe 🌌 edit all video with the final cut and their is no other option left....and if all the film 🎥 markers are like this I might not able to see any movie in the past......just remember "Back to the future "
Sushant Neupane yes but how many times do you use them? There is the huge and good trackpad. With nice scrolling and gestures. WHILE you can keep looking at your screen. With the touchbar you HAVE to look at it and then resync yourself with the actual screen. You loose focus time imho. It's a gimmick.
I think that the the touch bar feature on the new MacBook Pro 2016 is kind like the 3D Touch of the last years iPhone 6s/6s plus, that at the very beginning people didn't like it at all and didn't consider it a revolutionary feature but as time goes by and more apps start updating using the touch bar for some of their functions people is going to end up loving it.
this guy is a apple fanboyish....hihihi. touch bar? hihihihi. what is the use touchbar for creativity?photoshop?premiere?.....macbookPROfit with prodongle
then wait this Laptop gets old as every laptop does, you will be not able even to switch volume higher/lower if it lags, guess u watching porn and somenone enters ur house/room .... *Disaster!..* :D
Jonathan, your reviews are the best on youtube. I watch them even if I am not interested in the subject of review because your tech quality - light, resolution, voice, composition - are really beautiful!
Brandon Teeter you literally have no evidence for any of the claims you made here. find some objective evidence then come talk. Skylake cpus are much better than the old broadwell processors in every way possible.
2014 and 2015 CPU: www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-4980HQ+%40+2.80GHz&id=2327 2016 CPU: www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-6920HQ+%40+2.90GHz&id=2699 And on Geekbench you can just read the chart browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks All other benchmarks show the same thing. The old one always wins.
Okay, performance, touch bar... good. But dongles. FUCKING DONGLES. Just because of that I am not buying this "for the future". I need to still be able to use my stuff that's other than apple, you are not making me buy every single one of your products. EVEN YOUR LAPTOP AND YOUR PHONE ARE NOT INTERCONNECTABLE, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING. P.S. I own a 13" 2015 MacBook Pro myself, so I know what apple products are all about, and 2016 MacBook is not worth it at all.
They are adapter cords. Dongles are something else entirely -- and most Pros have to use dongles all the time for video, music, etc professional software that requires it. Dongles take a whole USB port without doing anything apart from letting you unlock and use the software. Google iLok etc. That said, one only needs one "dongle" -- a dock with several USB, thunderbolt, etc ports and that's it. And in 6 months/a year's time there will be all sorts of USB-C supporting devices/cables anyway.
Just quit the whining on all the Dongles.... the only thing you actually need a dingle for is SD-Cards.... All other things can be replaced (and will be in the future)... how much of your OLD usb thumb drives are you still using ? USB-C / Thunderbolt 3 stuff will come to the market... Until then suck it up ! And yes, I do understand replacing stuff costs money, but if you can spend €2700 on a new laptop, spending another 2% to 5% on replacing a few cables won't break the bank either
Jan van der Kruijssen you shouldn't think that way. Youre thinking wrong. So if you have money to buy a expensive car that doesn't bring wheels, you can afford to spend more just because you buy an extremely expensive car???? Apple should think a little more. So they sale an iPhone that is used worldwide and they put the MacBook on sale now that you can't plug without an adapter???
Its not about rolling with the change. Its about what aspects of a product customers are comfortable with. Battery I think is the most important factor. Emojis are ok but people don't want to put their finger on the top every time they have to paste an emoji on the message box. A lot of people write code on the macbook pro (preferably) so they use the Esc key on the top left a lot. Now its gone getting used to touching on a screen will take longer to adjust. Also you didn't mention how long did your battery last with usage.
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Jonathan Morrison lol
lmao tell me thats not the best part of it?
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Honestly tho the best use I've been getting of the touchbar in my MacBook Pro is emojis in the messages app
Hey jonathan is it the high end model of 15inch 2016 macbook pro in this video?
1) No upgradable RAM. It's soldered on the motherboard.
2) No upgradable SSD. It's soldered on the motherboard.
3) The touch bar actually makes you work with more actions than needed. The dedicated physical keys are still the fastest way to work.
4) Touch screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Touch bar.
5) Too many dongles required to actually make this machine productive out of the box.
Sorry, but I can only see flaws that make this laptop an overpriced piece of kit.
There are plenty of actual PRO laptops out there that can and do perform way better for the same price tag.
Mauro Sanna
...But perform worse due to not being as optimized as OS X.
With well optimized firmware, you don't need 32 GB of ram and what do you do on your devices that requires you to have tons of storage?
No, they perform way better.
I expect at least 32 GB RAM from a pro computer.
Firmware has nothing to do with memory amount and its speed.
I work as a professional CG artist and I know very well what a "PRO" computer should do and how it should perform.
If I wanted an expensive toy, then yes, the Macbook Pro would have been... No, wait, there still is better hardware among the competitors.
And by the way, I have been working with Macs since more than 20 years, professionally. I still own a Mac at home, and I own Apple devices. So I know what I am talking about.
Apple just doesn't care anymore about theur Pro user base. Simple as that.
Mauro Sanna Can you name these laptops?
Obi Alfred
Any Precision from Dell is fully upgradable, has professional GPUs (NVidia Quadro) and much faster CPU lineup.
Other brands are also better thant the Appke Macboo Pro.
Writing a list is pointless, just use your best friend, Google. If you work as a professional you will definitely know where and what to search for.
You shouldn't even ask such a question.
Ajay Raghavendra Surface book is overpriced and not nearly as powerful as the MacBook
You need a dongle to connect your iPhone 7 to your Apple Macbook, that's Interesting. So a Surface Pro can charge/sync/backup an iPhone while a Macbook can't 😅
+Amr Elnaka You always do everything the hard way ? You *COULD* replace the 'I need a dongle to sync' to 'I need a USB-C to lightning cable' for my iPhone now... and then I don't need a dongle....
but that would be too easy right ?
Great review dude!
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I like you Jake. #NoHomo
Great that you've conquered this cancer of yours, dude!
"Cool and fun to use"
AKA a gimmick?
They keyword is "Use".. Gimmicks are usually not even fun to use and are just there to portray fake advancement.
"Cool and fun" on the other hand is convenient and useful, it's just that you would survive without it.
Dalir Khalili ... To use for one week until you forget about it
Slaythan he even whears an apple watch
his argument literly is this was kind of cool and fun
AKA can't help but be negative.
***** best arguement is the best
Great video Jonathan looking to switch from windows to mac and this was the video needed appreciate the video! keep going and take care!
*TLDW:* Save your time. Save yo money...save your soul from confusion, and buy yourself a refurbished 2015 Macbook Pro.
LeBeautiful if only I can find a fully loaded last gen without being used heavy
Vitz Kopelsko why? Gaming is for children and Windows is crap
Vitz Kopelsko there are not plugs everywhere and people in school and on the plane would look at me any think I'm weird.
"Buying a new MacBook Pro will not ruin your life"
But it will destroy my wallet
If you really want a Mac, get a 2014 instead. Same specs, cheaper, no overheating
"Ok guys, I'm gonna trash the Macbook Pro 2016, be warned Apple fans": Proceeds to make a >10 min completely apologetic video. These machines have some nice improvements, but there's several things wrong here (other than the lack of ports)
First, the previous processors were really dated, so it was normal to expect a significant increase in performance, not just a marginal one.
Second, you DO lose usability for not having function keys. You have to use them for many shortcuts. The point of shortcuts is that if you learn them, you can use them without taking the eyes off the screen just by mechanical memory. With non tactile response, contextualized virtual buttons, you must take your eyes off the screen and search the action you want to use.
Just consider the difference between pressing crl+c (or the mac equivalent), to having to look at the touch bar, having to search the copy button on the touch bar, and then pressing and look again at the main screen. I use the function keys all the time, even just when I'm browsing. Now I can't imagine how impractical it must be for someone who has learnt +30 shortcuts for any professional program.
So yeah, the touch bar could be a somewhat interesting feature if they hadn't taken off the fn keys AND the escape button. It's a stupid casualization of a supposedly pro machine.
jmiquelmb there is nothing the touch bar does that a touch screen wouldn't do better..... this is just apple being apple
jmiquelmb Ctrl + C had anything to do with F1?
***** "Just consider the difference between pressing crl+c (or the mac equivalent)" - that was an example for you to imagine why function keys are better than the touch bar. Try to imagine having to use the touch bar instead of Cmd+C.
Samuel Lakatoš Thanks. Yes this is exactly what I meant. I just used the copy shortcut because it's probably the most well known of all.
But there are many examples with the fn keys. Even in chrome, f5 or f6 are very useful.
And answering to another comment, yes, I have used mac computers plenty of times. I just don't own one and I don't know the shortcuts.
***** Wrong: support.apple.com/en-us/HT204436
Also, you could claim that it says there's an option to make the function keys permanent. True. But what's the point in having the same keys, but with zero tactile feedback then? Was it really so difficult to make space for another row of keys with an slightly smaller touchpad (which is gigantic), if they wanted to add the touchbar so much?
Here's why the Touch Bar is worth it: You can literally use the scrubber to scrub THROUGH ads before RUclips videos, even non-skippable 30-second ads.
Adblock m8.
Walter Kingstone really??
So true how much people struggle with change. Great point. Loving this review! Thanks! You just cost me $3,500...
+What's Inside? 😂
What's Inside? Hi
I wish they kept the ESC button as a physical button like the touch id thingy.
What's Inside? Are you giving away one?
Syuna haha i know right. Apple should have taken away the Headphone jack on this 2016 Mac though.
That'll show those apes. I mean who needs them. If you want one buy an Android or Windows.
When you're a college student and you really want one but student loans are heavy so you just spend time on RUclips looking at MacBook Pro videos
JaVvii3 same
JaVvii3 story of my life.
JaVvii3 better use that money on grammar classes.
Omg yes!
My life ryt now 😂
Apple lost me as a mac customer back when they ditched the 17' Mac book pro as a person with a visual impairment 15' is just to small of a display and the 13' is almost impossible for someone like me to use
Never trust a guy with a apple watch!
vladimir laws
If you hate Apple, then why are you here?
nah, i don't hate them i just dislike oh so many decisions they have made over the course of last 2-3 years!
vladimir laws i see no issues on the iphone lineup, other than no 1080p screen on the ip7 and 1440p on the ip7+. the new cpu is like an intel laptop cpu, and that says alot (for a phone).
ipads will be ipads, still the fastest pads out there.
the imacs are still great AIO products, and that 5K screen is gorgeous irl.
BUT! their macbook pro lineup pricing is way off specially in EU.
and how about the fact that d iphone released 3 m. prior 2 MBP cannot be connected without a dongle? (however great it may be)
vladimir laws i sync wireless to my PC :)
but yes, it SHOULD have been a lightning to thunderbolt cable in the box for the macbook imo for that price. thankfully i bought a usb-lightning-3.5mm adapter on ebay for 2.5USD
3.5 mm jack on MacBook but not in iphone is apple on high
Shubham Oza yes they are on high
Shubham Oza the jack is for audio production. You can't go wireless on that front.
MacBook Pro isn't trying to be waterproof.
On my Phones(LG and Samsung) that i owned over the past 4 years i haven´t used the 3.5mm headphone jack at all...Wireless headphones is so good when you are out.
On my Computers on the other hand, due to my soundsystem at home using it i think its good that apple still have it on there computers...
xnonsuchx they don't need to remove a headphone jack to make something "water resistant". Samsung managed to make their phone waterproof and even waterproof the headphone jack
It's neat how your first video was on the MacBook Pro and you've kept us up to date on it ever since.
I wonder how much Apple is paying this clown. He really seems to be blind at the main issues. "you get more" lmao.. Are you serious?
Steven C
To answer your question, Apple paid him $0.00.
Plus, he just got that laptop so give him time to find the problems.
give him time? there are already a ton of problems with it out of the box.
Jeppe Werring
But it takes time to diagnose *(Apart from the extension cord being hidden under the plastic cover)* them and see if they aren't just hoaxes.
ᏌᎦᏋ ᎿᖇᏫllᎶᏌᏁ 0⃣1⃣ here are some problems, only USB C ports, 3rd party dongles won't work properly with it.
Jeppe Werring
But when you are buying an $1,800 laptop *(In some parts of Europe, it would cost about €3,500)*, then the costs for a set of dongles wouldn't hurt.
Plus, USB 2.0 is kinda dying right now. There are already loads of USB C tech out there.
People complaining for Jon calling "Thunderbolt 3 port in USB C form factor" still think that Thunderbolt is a port invented by Apple.
Anish Somawar By Apple and Intel.
Its really not, Apple just wanted the port/technology and paid Intel to work on it, it's an Intel developed technology.
We Play Wax Intel created thunderbolt and own it apple only dominates it on there laptops because it follows there simplicity as well it's impossible to force everyone to custom proprietary plugs in a professional workstation system. Then there's some arctical I read about an ex Intel executive mentioning thunderbolt and why Apple is only company with it being that they are the only company with the structure and custom part cost wasn't that much for Apple since the profit margins were so high. Maybe other reasons such as kick backs, but otherwise no apple didn't design or create or patent USB type c or thunderbolt ..
They can get away with closing things down and making custom chargers and cables on phones and tablets because that's the nature of those devices they always been like that (before smartphones and since)
Side note: my Z170 skylake desktop has USB-type C with thunderbolt 3.0. Same with my asus gaming laptop... and yes it supports external GPUs as well.. both of these have had it before Apple combined USB C with thunderbolt.
2400$. For that price you can go for 1070 sli and 6800k
Tejas Shringare well atleast the PC beats your "lightweight" thing.
noone cares
Remnant Dreams i care though
well then go get a non portable gaming pc, youll be happy
The thing about the touch bar is that you have to look down to use it. That renders it useless for me since I already know my keyboard shortcuts by heart.
That means I'm paying like $300 for something that isn't optional and is forced on me even if I won't use it. Also, I need that escape button.
David Karlsson I imagine you'd memorize where the keys are per program but I get what you're saying. It's definitely a different workflow.
A slower and less productive workflow for me.
Moving my hands from the home row, looking down, tapping the touch screen etc.
David Karlsson even selecting menu by some clicks seems faster than using the touch bar..
David Karlsson
Just wait two years and buy one used from a nice apple repair / second hand store.
But everyone is right about this stupid bar, it needs to be tilted up and out towards the user several degrees so it's easier to use while working.
Apple really knows how to screw people.
You posted this so late, like 2am here on the East Coast. Haha.
Brayden Turner yea m8 2:22 AM
Isn't he on the west coast?
I thought they were from SoCal
So ok I guess? :p put the upload on at the end of the day
Ha ha only 9 pm here in Hawaii, we saw Trump get elected still on Tuesday night also
Brayden Turner you know, all viewers are not American. Stop thinking the world rules around you
SweBass you know, he never said the world did, he only said that where he lived, due to time zone, it was uploaded late. stop being a hypocritical little shit, you and the rest of the people that liked your comment. no reason to be butthurt, and maybe pulp those those spiked roses out of your ass before replying.
Hey Jon, lil useful tip if you don't feel like clicking and deleting your cut clips. All you gotta do is press Alt [ or ] (depending on what you want to delete). Hope you see this and it helps!
Strong work, best review I've seen. Appreciate addressing the benchmark issue
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Jonathan Morrison you did that with the touch bar?! SO INNOVATIVE cough cough hp pavilion
+RaFi TV Static touch sensitive control panels =/= adaptive OLED touch screen !
The price performance ratio is reaaaaally bad on these new macbooks. You get so little for so much money! And the impudence of apple saying "thank you for overspending on our new macbooks, now please go over there and buy our adapter-set that, of course, is not included". Unbelievable.
The new touchbar is a nice upgrade, if you look just at the macbook line. But if you know that you could have a full touchscreen with pen support, it becomes a gimmick.
why do we need a gaming dGPU on a non-gaming machine? Why do people always think of specs?
L HK because gaming specs are essential for fast productivity. and we look at specs because we want to know if this piece of shit can handle work that professionals do, which by the way, they don't
Because its 1700$ machine, maybe?
And because Nvidia Gfx card help to render faster video and 3D work.
Keyboard Warrior Actually. This is running MacOS. Which requires less power to run. It can do basically everything (except gaming) smoothly. What else do you want? Gaming specs are for gaming.
Funny enough. You said you want to know if this can handle professional work but at the same time you said it can't. This is what we called biased.
L HK The operating system doesn't determine how much energy the computer uses..... the internal parts do.
One of the best laptop reviews I've ever seen
Totally subscribed
0:19. Those subtle thumps were so satisfying.
haha!
Hey Jono,
Its not so much that the touch bar is not a good update over the standard function keys, to me, it is that I have waited so long for a Macbook Pro update and how they integrated the touch bar is not good (its just not, admit it).
I feel it would have been awesome to use some of that track pad real estate and add an AMOLED track pad that adds some extra functionality (most used function button on the side), as when I used this touch bar I had to look down and what I wanted to touch, where as with the standard function keys I can feel them and have muscle memory as to where they are so there is no need to look up (I felt myself using the onscreen options with the mouse over the touch bar).
The touch bar should have been place above the track pad, or replaced the last line of keys on the keyboard such as the space bar, CMD keys etc....... then you will not need to look up and reach OVER the keyboard to add an emoji.
I did purchase the Touch bar model, actually the exact model you showed in your video. I then changed this and took a maxed out Macbook Pro with no touch bar as that bar is not a game changer it is a gimmick, no matter how you sugar coat it, it does not warrant the price jump. I also have a Macbook (2016 model) and I find myself using this more than the Macbook Pro. At the end of the day when you are choosing an Apple product and have the money to purchase one, every spec and function MATTERS. Purchasing a Windows laptop you tend to make more exceptions to functionality as it is cheaper and generally has better specs (optimization of OS aside as apple is the best here).
Should you have a Maxed out or standard older Macbook Pro only upgrade if you can sell it for a decent price. Love the videos, dont like that you, MKBHD, Austin etc....are all clones of one anther, same angles, camera styles and presentation, a little more personality would be great as if I watch an Austin video I automatically know you will have the same product to showcase and will be reading from the same script, only with some word changed.
Dont be a sell out dude, this video overall looks like one big Apple commercial LOL, RUclips audience will call you out, we control shit.
How is it a commercial? LOL
He backed up EVERYTHING he said with benchmarks.
Everyone here is convinced there's some giant conspiracy and that there's no way a newer MacBook pro is actually faster than an older MacBook pro.
You're all blinded by hating on apple.
You're the one blinded by apple (or either you need to improve your reading skills). He complained about the touchbar, not the performance (which btw, is still a fair complain, as the previous processors were really outdated, and a bigger improve was expected). He said he bought the non touch bar version to have the fn keys. How can be an apple hater if he said he bough a pro, replaced it by another version, and even more, he already had a macbook 12? He probably is an older mac user than you. Really, this attitude is just toxic. You can disagree with him, but not everyone who complains is a hater. Stop acting like a cultist.
Irishartillery I was answering to the other user. In fact, I was defending you. Try to read this thread again.
New viewer here. If you are a one-man-band that cranks out these videos, mad props to you. Holy hannah. You know how to light, you know how to shoot, your mograph skills hit the right mix of info/intrigue. Clearly, you've got a good process down to knock these videos out quick. Great, great work, man!
Goddamnit Jon I was gonna go to bed 😂 shouldn't have refreshed my subscription feed but at the same time also glad I did.
just 10 min more! haha
what that song at 6:10
nope, definitely don't have an assignment to do....
another great vid! :)
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I absolutely love your videos and I could not agree with you more. It feels like people are fighting progress, on every device from every company. We should appreciate the products and all that they are trying to do, especially if they are trying to move forward.
strangely, i think i would use more emoji if they were more accessible
touch screen wud have been 10 times better.
have three friends that have touch screens. 2 Dont use them and the last one does because he has a surface and the keyboard is shit
Having a touch screen on a laptop is not very natural to use.
E55 BæMG having a touch screen laptop will make it more likely to have problems and will break.
sam croft i use a touch screen laptop daily and it just made my life easier. i never felt artificial.
Nesha Cruz i never had any problems.
Jonathan, answer this question please.
What kind of laptop you use?
I bet he uses a surface book :) lol
Joelbi, he uses a MacBook Pro. And justifies it because of Final Cut. In fact, he is responsible for many youtubers changing to FCPX (MKBHD, Austin Evans, and I believe Snazzy Labs more recently.)
who's still rocking a top spec 2012 macbook pro 15 inch in 2016?
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thejonasshow running on 2009 17" MBP top spec with SSD and 8GB ram . Does the job for me
me, selling it to buy this
Typing from late 2008, buying new 2016
I'm still on a base 13" mid 2010 MBP
i see you instal final cut on to every computer you have. when you buy fcp can you instal it on unlimited times onto a apple computers ?
As far as I know, once you buy an app through the Mac App Store, you can install it on as many of your personal* computers as you want.
Personal here refers to belonging to and used by you according to the Terms and Conditions of the Mac App Store.
isaacmijangos yes once you buy it is registered on to your APPLE ID
Yes. There is no authentication or stupid dongles. You just buy it, and then you can transfer it anywhere.
I love the way you say "and a headphone jack..." at 1:01 😂
You forgot this is a "pro" laptop,pros don't edit videos or write documents with emojis
Mambisi Zempare what. that's exactly what pros do. edit videos and write documents.
He meant emojis are not useful for editing videos or writing.
Why is everyone still hating on this? If you don't like it don't buy it and shut up -_-
Engusgames if you don't like it don't buy it just spit on it
Difference in geek bench score results from throttling, even though the new mbp has faster CPU and ram. This is because of thinness.
First time i'm happy to stay with my 2012 mbp quadcore i7 and lots of delicious ports like network usb oh all that goodness without a dongle in sight wel just one for my monitor haha
The new model is 46s and the 2015 is 1.46s so when copying a file seems like he did investigate a bit more. Besides were talking about a MacBook high price otherwise known as MBP I'm not calling it pro machine as a pro user meaning I make a living using computers de mbp's have bin going downhill in the pro department winds mid 2012 when all the ports like wired network have bin removed and the dongle fest started. Btw I'm not a fanboy but rather believe that these are tools rather than life changing/ altering tools ;-) these tests are in line with the targeted audience not real technical pro's but prosumers so I see no problem with this fashion of testing
Wow, 10fps more! Let me lay down $1000 for that SICK upgrade!
Still going strong with the base mid-2012 Macbook Pro.
Still better than my 2011 toaster...
nah, toasters are awesome.
At least you can cook yourself breakfast while you use your computer in the morning. Just flip it over and fry some eggs
does it have a touch display?
Panache Automotive no
I got this exact model with specs you mentioned, and it's great! The battery life lasts more than 10 hours, and I do gaming for about 2-3 hours, and it doesn't heat up that much. I have no complaints for this laptop.
1% of people are 'fighting' touchbar. 99% are fighting lack of ports and they are right!
Not a fanboy, but I really hate when anybody says a company like Apple is not innovative. Design, UI, and and convenience are all subjective matters that cannot be factored into whether something is innovative or not. Specs are objective and can be: and every iPhone has a faster processor, better battery, better screen resolution, and more complex AI and software than every previous iPhone. Therefore, objectively, they are innovating their phones. Like you said, people need to look at things for what they are..Not for what they want them to be.
After all, what else do you want your fucking phone to do?
Captain Obvious but Apple isn't innovative anymore. Look at what companies like Samsung and Xiaomi are doing, then look at the iPhone... It hasn't changed in 3 years. The new MacBooks are pretty much the same as the old ones, while Microsoft are making awesome laptops and tablets. Apple used to lead the way when it comes to innovation, now they are constantly behind everyone else. Faster processor and better battery life isn't innovative, it's expected and every new phone has that. And the screen resolution on the iPhone is behind everyone else, it hasn't changed in years. Look at the Microsoft Studio... everyone was amazed by it and it's beautiful. I can't remember the last time Apple did something exciting, they've lost it in the last few years.
J Hughes Everything you've just said was completely subjective and only applies to you as an individual. Your own personal feelings.
"I can't remember the last time Apple did something exciting."
That applies to YOU. To some, the touch bar may be the most incredible thing they've ever seen.
Irrespective of what other companies are doing, and regardless of if their tech is more powerful or less, every iPhone and mac is more powerful than the last and has been that way since Apple was created and since 2007 when the iPhone came out. From an objective standpoint, Apple is innovating it's tech, by the very definition of the word.
Captain Obvious The same thing applies to you, that everything is subjective. No need to get pissy when someone says "Apple ain't innovative". Isn't that obvious, Captain Obvious?
Captain Obvious That's not an objective standpoint. improved specs are not innovative. they're the bare minimum for a new iteration of a product
Remember in 2006 when the HP Pavilion came out. Fingerprint scanner "Touch ID", IR remote control "sits in the side slot", HDMI, Sd card slot, USB, DVD, Firewire, Ethernet, configurable RAM, & touch bar for media control. When Laptops where actually Laptops.
Well 10 years ago .... Apple.
I'm getting one this black Friday I can't wait
Dont forget to buy the 10 different adapters
Gallardo 5Million yea ik its gonna be a pain
S Lynch thanks dude this helped me alot.
_Umer _ np :>
_Umer _ did you get it?
The problem isn't the touch bar. It's that they expect us to pay £700 more for it (Comparing it to last years 512GB 16GB Ram model) priced at £2000 vs £2700. They're so smug in their presentations when they really have no right to be; offering ok specs, very little innovation, barely any aesthetic changes, for extortionate money. 2015 macbook pro's were already a little overpriced by maybe £200-300 more than the equivalent PC because their build quality and design is top notch. I don't mind this and accept it. But really they have gone to far in making it possibly £1000 more than equivalent (or better) spec PCs. I used to be a fan. Not anymore.
it should be *macbook pros not macbook pro's.
Nobody gives a fuck
***** cmon. I was kidding
True story! Here in the UK you pay even more than in the US and A. Ahh I forgot, tax issues... Right!
The way you edit your videos, that song animation, everything else just awesome. You, sir, are the best Tech video editor world has ever known.
never knew johnathan was this much of an iFanBoy
Yeah, the touch bar doesn't make my life worse. You're right. But when you ask me to pay so much more for it, it does.
A review with sanity and accuracy. Thank you. You got one more subscriber.
I don't know why I'm watching this video I'm broke as shit.
MacBook Pro 15 2016 should cost less than $1000 :P
So why the heck Apple don't use the massive touchpad as another screen, like in Nintendo DS? Or why is it so hard to make a touchable screen?
"Not going to make your life any worse" ...but it's going to cost you a few hundred dollars extra...
So, performance-wise, if you extensively use adobe software the 2016 model is better, but if you make extensive use of almost any other piece of software, it's worse?
Rather than being jaded, I think you reviewers are giving apple way too much slack. That, coupled with the fact that most reviewers have a "Herp derp Works for Me!" mentality and fail to take other usecases into account makes most of these reviews useless for the majority of the people you're criticizing. It's almost as if reviewers are making these reviews for themselves.
Disgusting.
hahahahahaha. Yea, he should learn to 3d model, code, design building etc etc, learn all the respective programs and then review the fucking laptop. You're kidding right? That's why google exists. Just google something along the lines of "is mbp 2016 15 inch good for X". Jeeeez
Don't put words in my mouth.
What I'm arguing for is that he shouldn't dismiss issues as minor or insignificant because they don't effect him personally. He shouldn't belittle people who rightfully criticize design flaws that effect them.
What I'm arguing for is a well rounded review where the reviewer at least tries to be objective, not this shit.
I totally agree with what Jake said. He nails what I think about the whole RUclips tech community: There's way to much panegyrizing going on recently!! Yes, we DO appreciate new innovative features, but that doesn't mean we simply ignore any other negative aspect about a new product. Thing is: Yes, the touchbar is pretty awesome, and I can see many companies taking useful advantages of it. BUT that doesn't make up for the lack of USB ports, SD card readers etc. If USB-C was a universal port that would suddenly make any other USB port obsolete, that would have been a wise decision. But it's 2016 for god's sake. Apple fanboys might argue that Apple is ahead of its time - too far ahead if you ask me!!
By the way, as an Android fanboy, I feel the same way about the Google Pixel. It's just not as good as youtubers make it look like, all fanboying aside!
Are you guys kidding me. ALL other youtubers are going hard on Apple and mention and emphasize all the downsides. Instead this takes it more lightly. Sure he dismisses some issues as minor as you said, but its not that he is lying or anything.
Besides the price, which was always an issue, this machine is not much different than any other ultrabook out there. It might not be as innovative or good as the older models were for their time, but come on.
Again, not saying that the review is not flawed, but most other reviews out there are not either. This just focuses on the brighter side.
I'm an art student and I excessively am using Lightroom and Photoshop from adobe and I work on huge files that can get up to 3GB a piece and I've been looking for a computer that will seamlessly support these programs! Your videos are super helpful in Apple research because there's such a wide range of opinions over Apple products already so it's hard to find a video with clear cut facts! Good job dude
Took 3 years.
Made shit.
Hey
You seem to be an Apple fan. Can you give your opinion about the Surface Book? I want to know what you think about the device and maybe compare it with the MacBook.
Another review not mentioning potential problems that buyers should be aware :-(
(soldered ssd, sharing private data with apple repair people, no way to upgrade ssd, no way to copy your data if motherboard fails)
No way to remove battery immediately if something spills or crashes..No way to upgrade ram (soldered) ..Not user serviceable, very rudimentary and primitive os with locked down features..very small collection of applications.. I could go on and on..
FYI - You can't use Linux on MacBook Pro 2016. It's hardware is unsupported (keyboard is SPI and not USB for example and much more issues).
are k portiblty and editing
Why do Americans use the word "super" for sentences that can use the word "really" for ex: really attractive, super sounds silly as fuck, shake my head.
The best, most thorough and most objective review of the new MacBook Pro online.
I really appreciate the real world render tests, proving it is the fastest MacBook Pro ever made. Never mind Geekbench, this thing flies.
I'm upgrading from my 2012 Retina, to a fully spec'd 15". Thanks for this review!
Look, I understand that you are a huge Apple fan. As a reviewer, you should be completely honest. This computer brought so many disappointments to Mac users. First of all, the touch bar is stupid, Pro users use keyboard shortcuts and it's much faster than expanding touch menus and trying to locate certain functions. You mentioned switching among tabs in Safari, I do it with control+tab and control+shift+tab. It's much faster than reaching out almost to the screen to tap it. Also, you got the trackpad which is much easier to reach. And please don't mention emojis because it's stupid. If I told you that there is a small touch peripheral pad that displays your emojis and it's 300$ would you buy it?? Yes, it's helpful to display emojis this way but it doesn't justify the price. With no power, older CPU, AMD graphics!!, and lots of dongles to worry about it's just not worth it.
This is not a "PRO" laptop. Apple feels the need to take away features that pro users often use. Dongles are not a solution. It just shows the MBP is now an incomplete laptop and can't be useful unless you buy more things. The fact Apple doesn't even make the iPhone, their own product, compatible is insane.
You buy a $3K "PRO" laptop and you can't even plug in a hard drive, stick drive or ... anything. You can't even plug in your iPhone!
So, you have to do your research and piece meal together a bunch of dongles. Boy, that's so portable, easy and sleek!
Touch bar is a novelty but why loose all the function keys that pro users often quick key with? Why not ADD a touch bar and not take away keys?
A touch bar will never be as fast as keys because you can't just go by feel.
EMOTICONS? Really? Click-swipe with a mouse is seriously slower than that touchbar? Come on.
Why not ADD "the future" ports to USB 3, and all the other ports? How about MORE ports? Isn't this a PRO laptop?
Why no MAGSAFE? So you really only have 3 ports since power will often be used.
Why bump the price even on the 13" MB that they didn't even change?
Apple went backwards with this MBP. It's designed like it should be a Macbook or Macbook Air.
There is nothing pro about it.
Cruz er omg yes, that's what I was thinking
Cruz er the fact that you only get a quadcore processor at 2000$ is also baffling
It's not really baffling but very cynical towards the users. Basically they de-contented, raised the price and only changed superficial things that appeal to casual users.
Many photo and video pros use the SD slot, and that's gone. The thing that makes a laptop impressive is INTEGRATION. It's sleek because it can do everything from the chassis.
This MBP is not sleek, not pro grade. I expect the next gen MBP will not have a keyboard and you will have to dongle it if you want to type. .. Wait, isn't that the IPad ? Yes, now you know where Apple is going with their Pro laptops.
What surprises me are the positive reviews that do not fully address fundamental problems and just buy into silly apple hype
agree completely. TLD is an idiot.
"Why bump the price even on the 13" MB that they didn't even change?"
They did change the new non-touch bar MBP. It has the new thinner, lighter design, the new display, and the new ports. Just no touchbar and no touch id.
When a new Macbook Pro comes out your old one is not obsolete, the new one might not be to your liking but the new things became standard by the time you are ready for an upgrade. A fellow student of mine (I am studying physics) bought a spec-ed out MBP in 2011 and it is still fine. Mine might have a nicer Retina display but his is still long-lasting and well built and fast.
The problem is that you have to pay WAY more, for something... like ... meh
For tabs, if you have your hand on the trackpad, are you going to move your hand or just use the mouse-trackpad
Woah never been here this early lol
SuperSibsGaming me too
SuperSibsGaming same
me too
SuperSibsGaming same here!
yesssss
Honestly everyone complained last year how bad the speakers in the 13" Macbook Pro were and that the Retina Macbook is so much better, I really love the speakers in the 13", they are quite good. At home I have my iMac and that is 3 classes up the game and it competes with my hifi system. Some may complain that the 13" has no bass but I really appreciate that when it is night because it is much quieter for people in the other rooms.
iPad (almost) PRO
Macbook (almost) PRO
whats next...?
Final Cut, Premiere....So BOOORING.... Take Logic X and make a REAL test !
Logic Pro X doesn't use any processing power when using the applications.
The motion graphics and composition on your videos are better than ever Jon.
this guy thinks hes super techie and uses numbers and fancy words to confuse people into thinking he knows what he is talking about. This video is empty, no actual information.
Touch bar pretty pointless in comparison to the touch screen Microsoft are doing... apple used to innovate. Then Steve Jobs died rest his soul and all those underdogs who he wouldn't shift for are now top dogs and dragging apple through a shit pool thinking this is innovative and fresh... and that sacrificing connectivity, sustainability, upgradeability for a few mm thinner macbook (-pro) is what its all about... I'm a creative and i shifted to Mac because apple catered to this industry more so than Microsoft now it seems they have lost that edge. R.I.P... p.s don't give a shite about anybody else opinion, thats your own i will not entertain it as my mind is set, and who are you to change it.
Dean Gatenby, who are you to dictate whether or not somebody would reply to your comment? It isn't revolutionary, although it's a nice addition. Touchscreen is another topic altogether. Not everybody would love it, although it is admittedly a nice addition. It'd probably cost at least $200 more for the touchscreen alone.
Not dictating... your volunteering... i was simply making it clear my mind was set, and another opinion wouldn't change it so don't try... are you attempting to try?
An extra $200 for a full touch screen would be fine... for moe functionality, compared to the $299 you have to pay for a little gimmicky LCD you have to look at when using it. if you like then thats great... no idea what a professional would use it for given you have to focus on that when using it instead of on the actual screen.
Whatever floats ya boat... my stance remains.
Dean Gatenby Not really attempting to try. Just adding facts in case somebody would stumble upon the thread.
Steve Jobs was not keen on the idea of a touchscreen macbook. He saw it not being ideal to use such a thing on a vertical surface, hence the Ipad tablet.
Hmmm didn't know that... but it is now very ideal, and he would have come round.
Jonathan, you are so massively good with editing and video ideas. The music and yellow line is so brilliant and shows your professionality! Been a long time fan and everything just gets better and better, congratulations :-)
$2399.... For that price you can get a 17" Gaming laptop with 1070 graphics, Hyper threaded Quad core, and double the storage and memory...
Edward Weagle here it is 3000€....you could ger a couple of computers for that money each of them more powerful than this
We Play Wax Of course, that is more important. I spend way more on travelling each year. So that is definetly more expensive then electronics :S
Yes, weighing in at 10 lbs and being the size of a dorm room refrigerator. Nobody buys a MacBook Pro for gaming, so what's the point of comparing it to a fat and heavy gaming laptop with 10 minutes of battery life to a thin and light productivity machine? Price is only stupid if nobody is willing to pay it. TONS of people pay for these laptops without even blinking. It's the same reason the whole luxury car industry exists. You can buy a fully loaded Kia for less than the cost of a base Audi that has fewer options and creature comforts, but you're still driving a fucking Kia. That's the point. Some people don't care if you can get more for their money elsewhere, they have a brand preference, and lots of times with good justification. Ever consider resale value? It's shit on PC. Macs hold their value really well. Factor that in and the price of a new MacBook seems less significant. What about reliability and customer satisfaction? And support? Apple always tops those charts when people like JD Power and Consumer reports gather info on such metrics.
TechnologyCatalyst You are in many things wrong, do your research first.
Do explain, I'll get my popcorn.
This video is slick so I subscribed 😄👍
So what do you think they will take out for 2018 year
model? Crazy!
You just forgot to mention THE MANY YES MANY BAD THINGS ABOUT MAC BOOK PRO 16. God for a biased review. il make a little list since u seem to forget ALOT.
-Bad keyboard with almost no travel distance (not acceptable for writters)
-High keyboard "smashing" sound (almost like punching hard plastic)
-ALOT of USb 3 devices that is connected to an adapter over USB C.., makes WIFI stop working on mac pro 16 (yes this is an issue for many )
-Mag SAFE gone !!
- Horrible at gaming.., Even low hardware req. games lag. (battlesiege unplayable. mafia 3 barely playable at the lowest settings!)
16 GB ram MAX. Alot of us "pro" users need atleast 32 gb ram for our software to run smoothly.
Barely any repair-ability if some senors go wrong (as been reported as a problem *faulty sensors) but ready to pay alot to fix it when warranty goes out.
-Overly High price compered to what the machine actually can do when the competition can so much more
With the Touch Bar, Apple has yet again set the innovation bar high.
(sarcasm)
I love your passion for technology. You are so right that people are no longer happy with new tech and always ready to hate... Let's just enjoy the tech! 🙌🏽
The test of coverting files has a lot to do with the storage writing and reading speeds, and like you showed us, its 40% faster than the MBP 2015, so your "tests" pretty much doesnt show that the MBP 2016 is faster than the MBP 2015.
And your excuse of the touchbar being not a gimmick is just lame.
Worst MBP ever.
Mathias Schroder converting files has more to do with CPUs. If the CPUs are similar THEN and only then counts the secondary point which is SSD speeds.
zeus1117 Of course it has a lot to do with the cpu, but it has a lot to do with writing and reading speed too, if you have a super powerfull CPU but crappy reading/writing speed it will still be slow, since it has to read the file to convert it and then write it again in the hdd or sdd. In this case, the last year CPU is actually better (not by a lot), and the differences in converting speed has more to do with the writing/reading difference between the 2 MBP, in which the gap is bigger.
>so your "tests" pretty much doesnt show that the MBP 2016 is faster than the MBP 2015.
There's nothing about "storage writing and reading speeds" that will speed up the conversion of a Premiere file of a few GB to the extend shown here. SSD read/write will make apps load much faster, because they are mostly bound by IO. The video rendering tests he did are bound by GPU/CPU.
That said, even if that wasn't the case, the machine would STILL be faster than the MBP 2015 in those tasks. If your machine does a task in 20% less or even half the time, only an idiot would complain about whether it does it because of faster CPU or faster GPU or faster disk, or faster BUS etc. It does it in LESS TIME, period.
>And your excuse of the touchbar being not a gimmick is just lame.
Lots of professional musicians and video editors, for one, paid good money for such "gimmicks" in the form of the Lemur and other context-sensitive touch strips and panels. And the Optimus Prime keyboard which offers customizable OLED keys goes for $1000+ (the keyboard alone).
>Worst MBP ever.
Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
foljs You have absolutly no idea of what you are saying, the Touch bar is indeed a gimmick, with almost no support from adobe and other editing programs (for now) and tou compare it with the Optimus Maximus keyboard which has amoled screens in every key and was used by gamers, NOT EDITORS, look at the reviews, it sucked for editing photos and videos because it was too cumbersome.
And let be honest, only amateurs use MBP, real pros dont buy laptops.
Mathias Schroder Exactly. Nobody does serious work on a touchpad or touchbar. It's only something rough for on the go, or when you are not doing serious stuff. There are professional mice and Wacom tablets for example.
this guy and mkbhd definitely got money from apple to be as positive as possible, im sure about this
agreed
No
That's literally illegal, so maybe it's just time to admit to your bias that makes everything unbiased against Apple look biased for them.
What Apple Watch band is he wearing during the unboxing?
Apple has completely lost touch with reality, and fan boys like me (and most of you) look like idiots when we say stupid things like removing ports from a machine is "innovation" and "the future."
Stripping ports from a computer is NOT innovation, it is a ChromeBook.
For the foreseeable future, video cameras will continue to store video on SD cards. That means removing internal SD card readers from the MacBook Pro isn't readying us for "the future" at all, it is merely Apple prioritizing its image for pretty design over our need to get work done.
Number of people laying awake at night wishing Apple would make the new MacBook Pro 11mm thinner: ZERO.
Number of people who use internal SD card readers and ports, that will continue to need those ports for the next 3+ years? Pretty much everyone.
Apple is the only company I know of where "Space Gray" is a newsworthy feature... and the world is laughing at us.
It seems like suddenly every youtuber in the whole universe 🌌 edit all video with the final cut and their is no other option left....and if all the film 🎥 markers are like this I might not able to see any movie in the past......just remember "Back to the future "
tusit21 no idea what you're trying to say here
This is actually fairly unbiased. Congrats
touch bar - useless crap
Sushant Neupane yes but how many times do you use them? There is the huge and good trackpad. With nice scrolling and gestures. WHILE you can keep looking at your screen. With the touchbar you HAVE to look at it and then resync yourself with the actual screen. You loose focus time imho. It's a gimmick.
this guy tries soooo hard to sell the new macbook pro. Apple fanboy ism to the max
I think that the the touch bar feature on the new MacBook Pro 2016 is kind like the 3D Touch of the last years iPhone 6s/6s plus, that at the very beginning people didn't like it at all and didn't consider it a revolutionary feature but as time goes by and more apps start updating using the touch bar for some of their functions people is going to end up loving it.
this guy is a apple fanboyish....hihihi. touch bar? hihihihi. what is the use touchbar for creativity?photoshop?premiere?.....macbookPROfit with prodongle
then wait this Laptop gets old as every laptop does, you will be not able even to switch volume higher/lower if it lags, guess u watching porn and somenone enters ur house/room .... *Disaster!..* :D
That's my main issue with this. It's meant to be disposable. And I don't know how I feel about buying a disposable product for that much.
Jonathan, your reviews are the best on youtube. I watch them even if I am not interested in the subject of review because your tech quality - light, resolution, voice, composition - are really beautiful!
The 2015 model does actually out perform this one on every benchmark.
Brandon Teeter no it doesnt, and he just proved that
Kevin Anand No. He did not. The old cpu, (4980HQ) is a better cpu in every possible way. Just because he skued the results doesn't mean he is right.
Brandon Teeter you literally have no evidence for any of the claims you made here. find some objective evidence then come talk. Skylake cpus are much better than the old broadwell processors in every way possible.
2014 and 2015 CPU: www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-4980HQ+%40+2.80GHz&id=2327
2016 CPU: www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-6920HQ+%40+2.90GHz&id=2699
And on Geekbench you can just read the chart browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks
All other benchmarks show the same thing. The old one always wins.
Brandon Teeter those are just benchmarks, which Johnathan proved wrong in this video. Real world performance matters more than benchmarks do.
Okay, performance, touch bar... good. But dongles.
FUCKING DONGLES.
Just because of that I am not buying this "for the future". I need to still be able to use my stuff that's other than apple, you are not making me buy every single one of your products.
EVEN YOUR LAPTOP AND YOUR PHONE ARE NOT INTERCONNECTABLE, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING.
P.S. I own a 13" 2015 MacBook Pro myself, so I know what apple products are all about, and 2016 MacBook is not worth it at all.
I would actually agree...
I use 2014 MacBook Air. All updates they did to the line so far didn't convince me to change my laptop for a newer one.
Agree. Utterly a mess. Its going to look ugly on my desk with a million cords coming out of it.
They are adapter cords. Dongles are something else entirely -- and most Pros have to use dongles all the time for video, music, etc professional software that requires it. Dongles take a whole USB port without doing anything apart from letting you unlock and use the software. Google iLok etc.
That said, one only needs one "dongle" -- a dock with several USB, thunderbolt, etc ports and that's it. And in 6 months/a year's time there will be all sorts of USB-C supporting devices/cables anyway.
Just quit the whining on all the Dongles....
the only thing you actually need a dingle for is SD-Cards....
All other things can be replaced (and will be in the future)... how much of your OLD usb thumb drives are you still using ? USB-C / Thunderbolt 3 stuff will come to the market... Until then suck it up !
And yes, I do understand replacing stuff costs money, but if you can spend €2700 on a new laptop, spending another 2% to 5% on replacing a few cables won't break the bank either
Jan van der Kruijssen you shouldn't think that way. Youre thinking wrong. So if you have money to buy a expensive car that doesn't bring wheels, you can afford to spend more just because you buy an extremely expensive car???? Apple should think a little more. So they sale an iPhone that is used worldwide and they put the MacBook on sale now that you can't plug without an adapter???
Its not about rolling with the change. Its about what aspects of a product customers are comfortable with. Battery I think is the most important factor. Emojis are ok but people don't want to put their finger on the top every time they have to paste an emoji on the message box. A lot of people write code on the macbook pro (preferably) so they use the Esc key on the top left a lot. Now its gone getting used to touching on a screen will take longer to adjust. Also you didn't mention how long did your battery last with usage.
That speaker comparison is outstanding!