Should there be a major concern’ with the Oilers defence? OverDrive - Hour 1 - 8/20/2024
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Jim Tatti, Frank Corrado and Al’s Brother discuss the Edmonton Oilers not matching the St. Louis Blues offer sheets on Philip Broberg and Dylan Holloway and Patrik Laine’s impact in Montreal, Chad Kelly starting against the Roughriders and more. They are also joined by TSN Edmonton Oilers reporter Ryan Rishaug to discuss the concern with the new look Oilers defence, why they decided not to match the Broberg and Holloway offer sheets, is there any future moves coming, Broberg’s ceiling as an NHLer, what Leon Draisaitl’s extension could look like in Edmonton and when should it get done and more.
Broberg played 10 freakin' games and everyone is treating him like he's Chris Pronger. If Ceci and Desharnais were any good, no one outside Oil Country would even know who Broberg is. $7M for those 2 tweener players on a team where veterans are taking pay cuts for a chance to win the Cup simply does not work.
Wery wery good said
I agree that it was way too much for Broberg, but they didnt really get any replacements for the 3 d Men they lost which is the bigger issue. As of now they are going into the season with Brown and Stetcher as their bottom pairing; which could be a disaster waiting to happen.
Seriously stop with the paycut thing... Oilers offer for broberg was 25% of what STL offered... do you see any veterans taking a 75% pay cut? Is mcdavids next contract expected to be 4 mil only when he should be like 16 mil?
@@crushdavis7048 , I keep hearing that Ty kid could be valuable. The rest of these guys just have to be serviceable to get the Oil to the trade deadline.
@@falarus , false. You're looking at it upside down. St Louis paid these kids 2.5x what they were even asking. Broberg isn't worth $4.5M, even Armstrong knows that.
Since when has there not been “a major concern” with Oilers’ defence?
1988.
'86?
@@BuckarooBandit138 86 lost the spot to Vinny. Multiple opportunities for him to seize a permanent spot but failed.
@@gonephishing100 '86 is short for 1986
@@BuckarooBandit138 Oops. 😂
Hyman 32, Kane 33, Nugent-Hopkins 31, Arvidsson 31, Henrique 34, Skinner 32, Janmark 31, Perry 39, Brown 30, Ryan 37, Gagner 35, Ekholm 34, Kulak/Brown/Stecher all 30 - that's a lot of players over 30 to lose out on Holloway and Broberg. We'll see how it plays out.
Yeah this is exactly how I’ve been thinking about it. And these guys’ value is really only decreasing with age. They could be in the decade of darkness v2 by the time 2032 rolls around.
Don’t think it plays out good
They go for it and then the whole team is blown out
The Noog is 31? Holy crap. Where has the time gone?
Isn't it the point having everyone peeking at the same time to win a cup. Then retool and rebuild so you can do it all over again. At this point, you want to do everything you can to make sure you win the cup. Paying 7mil cap to a couple of rookies hinders that. You can do a lot more impactful things with that money at trade deadline day, especially if there are a couple of good players will to take discounts for a chance at a cup. Win the cup first at all costs, worry about the future later. They did the right thing by not matching.
You have a TSN headline of “massive blow to Oilers organization” and a Sportsnet headline of “ Why declining to match offer sheets was the right decision”. Once again the eastern media is out to lunch. Like hell the Oilers brass are letting 2 largely unproven players to handcuff them while the leaders take less to win. Go ahead. Chase the bag in St. Louis. Both players will regret this and probably all ready do. I guarantee they thought they would be matched. To set a precedent and come out of it arguably in a better spot. Props to management. Shauger, lay off the summer sauce pal. The Oils blue line lost a guy that played as a 7th dman. 4.85 sheets per is larceny.
So exactly which leader is taking less? We'll see how much less they take when their contracts are due.
Cry.. a 7th Dman who played great in the finals. We got 2.. 1st round picks hitting their prime on 2yr contracts. Thanks
I like Holloway but he could never find a consistent spot on Leon's or McDavid's line. This is why they grabbed Arvidsson.
McDavid and Leon are gone after next year
@@huntingking23braindead comment
@@huntingking23No their not You sound like a hater
Broberg and hollway could NOT crack the top half of the team. The cup window is now not in 2 years. Best of luck to the newest multi millionaires
They did crack the top half of the team towards the end of the year, part of the issues is management wasn't giving them a chance. It showed that they can be good players.
😂😂 Thanks for 2 former top 15 picks hitting their prime
Any D core with Nurse is in trouble
Seemed pretty good last season being top 10 in goals allowed and then faired pretty decently in the playoffs.
Buhhhhhh no he didn’t.
@@Tairygreen Huh? The Oilers weren't top 10 in goals allowed, or they didn't make it to game 7 of the final?
Darnell is awesome, just a question of whether he is awesome enough to deserve his pricetag... it's a close argument imo
With the summer additions, and Matthew Savoie is about to light the league on fire, I suggest go watch his highlights and see the stats. If you factor that in, with Emberson also being an interesting upside trade, they will absolutely still be a powerhouse. Either way.
Keep telling yourself that bud. You lost your entire right side and replaced it with garbage.
Vancouver is going to destroy you if healthy just like we did all year until we lost our #1 goalie and still almost won😂
@@Bp79-or4kpstill almost won unfortunately isn’t a win
@Bp79-or4kp lol keep smoking crack man 😂 Vancouver? Hahahahahahahahah!! Sit down
Emberson will be lucky to even be on the team. The guy is in his 4th organization at 24 years old. He average 18mins a game in SJ not exactly great minutes, that's less than what Ceci averaged. If this guy was that good one of those teams would of kept him.
@@Bp79-or4kpyour still sitting in your moms basement in Burnaby crying
No..nothing to worry about here in Edmonton…D just needs to move bodies, carry pucks out of zone, keep cross ice blind passes down to zero, and stay out of tendy’s way so he can stop shots…standard priorities…doesn’t matter who the cast is in this movie, it will be entertaining!!
The Oilers squeezed themselves with the horrible Nurse contract. You could get 2 decent players for his contract alone. I do expect another move for a defenceman especially with those picks they acquired being used as a cherry on top.
The Oilers acquired a couple of draft picks from the Blues having successfully presented offer sheets to Dylan Holloway and Phil Broberg. That said, who knows if those picks will turn into bona-fide NHL players?
You claim the Oilers hurt themselves with the Nurse contract. As much as re- signing Broberg would’ve cost a huge amount and probably wouldn’t have been quite wise, it sure wasn’t wise for the Oilers to sign Nurse to a contract with a US$9.25-million per-season cap hit either. Ken Holland’s drafting record as Oiler GM also left much to be desired.
@@wainber1 It's so crazy that people are ranting about Holland's drafting record on a day that a team desired 2 of his picks so much they offer sheeted them.
And made a killing with the hyman contract... so it kind of balances out.
lost Ceci, 79, and broberg. NOT a big deal. WOW.
Why should there be a major concern over their defense? They dumped Ceci, who was most definitely a liability, more often than not. They also dumped Broberg, a comical level underachiever.
No, there should be no major concerns over their defense, so long as they take the money they saved from Ceci, dumping Broberg and Holloway, and use it appropriately.
Exactly
Lmao there the dumbest team in the league hiring Stan bowman and this all shows it
Your defense sucks.. you downgraded. Broberg played great in finals
This is definitely a move for the future for the Blues, but it also makes them better right now. Also brings more competition to camp.
it might also put them into cap hell poopery down the road.
@@Ace96x10 the contracts are only two years...in that time they'll also be rid of a few bad contracts they already have. I think they'll be okay cap wise.
@@CastisV You may well prove to be right.
@Ace96x10 it's a 2yr deal.. its not that serious 😂
@@ThundaCat7 Fair point sir. But... Have any of you thought about what if SL bends the knee to their Agents demands ( if they were to make such a demand) that both players get a 1000% raise half way through the season? What then!? Why has no one thought of that!!??
It is interesting how the Toronto media is concerned about the Oilers defense, when the Leaf's best d man in Rielly would be the 4th best d man on the Oilers.
Oilers Defense has always been a concern but it can be managed properly if they are smart and patient. There are many D out there waiting for trade deadline I suspect Oilers GM will make some moves then.
Armstrong's mother would have taken care of business and signed at least one of those RFAs before it came to this. This is probably Edmonton's last year of making a big run, because of the incoming Draisaitl contract, but it's not going to happen with this blueline.
something very likeable about al's brother love when he and odog get into it lol
No, I am not surprised, I've been saying against all podcasters predicting at least one match, that they will match none, from day one of the offer-sheets. You have to deter in the future the players who go for offer-sheets vs. career-opp and cups. I could've bet they won't match any, and it is good so.
I don't take hockey advice from someone who drinks cheeseburgers regularly...
And no one listens to Andy Reid......
Not gonna lie, when I first heard the guy talking I immediately thought it was John Goodman
Its funny how many ppl didn't think our Blueline was good enough at the start of the season and then into the playoff yet all of a sudden we lost the whole defense. We will be perfectly fine.
Yup. The D will get the Oilers to the deadline, then add a solid Dman once they know where the deficiencies lie. It's fine, stings a bit,but Cap is King. Now room for Bouch
You guys are so fucked lol
The 5:00 mark slightly precedes a claim made by Frank Corrado of the Oilers’ having not had this off-season, after changes to the roster via the offer sheets and other moves, a “Stanley Cup blue line.” In response it’s hard to know if the Oilers got better, worse or stayed pretty much the same with those moves. That said, I don’t see the 2024-25 Oilers likely finish the regular season as the Habs, after their 2021 Stanley Cup appearance, did the season afterward.
Their D needs work for sure.
Talking about ' how well it worked out' is also highly speculative. You don't know it worked out, they poker-ed and ended up with a triple overpay; so you can't say "how well it worked out for the Blues'
Jim Tatti is still going? I remember him from Global News “Sportsline”
I do as well although also Marc Hebscher, who would, with Donna Skelly, years later go onto cohost Square Off on CHCH-TV.
@@wainber1 I remember talking to Marc years ago at a box in the Sky Dome. He seemed pretty easy going.
Yes Guy! Damn, I remember those days too.
Need cap space for to re-up Bouchard and Draisaitl.
As an oilers fan we just lost halloway, mcloud, foegole, and broberg. All good young players with alot of upside, just got alot older with this team. Honestly don't know wtf the gm is doing
Edmonton slept on this!! Good luck Bowen! I personally think you suck!! Prove me wrong!
why? it's better without ceci
Ceci without Nurse as his partner was not bad at all. with him, he suffered. so did everyone who is paired with Nurse.
@@Ace96x10 Ceci has been a flaming pile of human garbage on defense since he entered the league. Guy is a liability. They got rid of Barrie which helped, but getting Ceci out too improves their chances a ton from a few years ago.
@@ThePalisky We agree on Barrie. We do not agree on Ceci. Oilers D is looking thin right now, and with the cap space , I don't see that changing anytime soon. Ceci might end up being missed when he's gone. Same as a ton of other players that "fans" didn't appreciate till they were gone.
@@Ace96x10 It's so crazy how the narrative on Ceci has changed in just a few weeks when people were saying Ceci was garbage and they needed to get rid of him and now that he's gone, he was a big part of the defense and his absence will hurt the team.
@@Marixa1979 Yes, there's reasons why he played ahead of a number of others in the Org indeed. The fastest Narrative change I ever saw from fans was with Koskinen. Writers and fans and other experts running him into the ground, Then he'd steal a game and win 2 close ones, and they'd say he might be a ok backup. Then he'd lose one to a top team when the oiler D was a joke and they'd demand he be run out of town. Lol, for 2 years. Even when he saved the season Smith missed months in. Ya, Comedy Gold)
They had positive stats and SCF experience. Pretty much everything a rebuilding Blues team might want to see.
I thought the microphone shadow was a sweat line on the marshmallow....
Why do these commentators and these major league channels keep breaking up the Janmark-Henrique-Brown third line.....I dont care what puckpedia or any other listing has them labelled as.....that line they signed specifically to stay together.
Kris Knoblauch and Paul Coffee zone defence is elite. The only concern is how good will the defence be. Likely top 3 if not the best.
😂😂 They're not on the ice
The Oilers payroll, like the Leafs, is being increasingly dominated by a few core players. Full credit to Doug Armstrong for taking advantage. ✔️
Wouldnt be surprised if Ceci ended up back in Edmonton at the trade deadline.
Despite Broberg's words, he did not look excited at all 🙂
Probably cause he had done a dozen interviews in an hour
GoOilersGo!!
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Major concern on D because they lost Ceci and Broberg Desharnais? No. They have replacements, and a deal coming later.
Sad to see them go but I see it as a win for Edmonton. They get cap space and they don't overpay for good prospects which might not work. See it as the Oilers sending them out to training camp, without paying a dime and in 2 years time, if they prove themselves go buy them back at 6m/8 year contracts. Well overpriced at present- let someone else like the Blues develop them further. I reckon if the Oilers came knocking in 2 years Holloway would come back.
Oilers let them walk because Bowman had NOTHING invested in them
He inhertited a cup winning team with no emotional baggage
Did it make sense how many first round pick rfa do the blues have in the next 3 years they just gave up any negotiating leverage they had in any defencmen or winger that had 10 points
Broberg>Nurse
that is all speculation, he(Broberg) has shown what you say for "a minute", that is not at all any proof
Honestly.. After hearing TSN support the woke Olympics. I don't really like listening to them anymore. They've lost my respect. The entire broadcast. Makes me think of them as Sportsnet.
everybody speak about Broberg as if he were the certain top 4D next to Nurse, but his numbers WERE WORSE last year than Ty Emerson, so don't understand the panic and the statues built now for Broberg!
Emerson is a joke, he is in his 4th organization at 24 years old. There is a reason why those other teams didn't want him. And playing defense is more than just stats. When they put him next to Nurse he actually made Nurse play better. he's a legit top 4 dman already but the team never used him that way until the playoffs which then everyone found out what he could do.
Eventually St Louis will find themselves in the same position as Edmonton. Each team has 1 less trading partner. As more and more teans use offer sheets it will effect trades more and more
Blues can actually manage the cap.. good luck w that take
broberg wanted out of edmonton. if we match he would have been a poison pill on the team. It sucks because i think he is going to be a stud. good luck in st.l...... holloway was more of a slap in the face of fans, he seemed to like it here and grow with the team.... oh well enjoy your money and watch the oilers win the cup in the next 2 years.
I'll give Holloway 2 years, then he might be traded to NJ maybe Vegas or Colorado
The Habs fans will eat Patrik alive when he plays his lazy style of play. He is in for a rude awakening! Marty will show him the end of the bench multiple times this year.
Is water wet? 😂
This is not a new concern
Oils defense was bad before this. Most overrated team in the NHL.
By what measure was the Oilers defense bad? Please explain.
Not at all end of discussion
No panic now we have cap to bring in atlest 1 realy realy good defensmen or 2 realy realy decent ones for this cap
Ya cause it's so easy to that. Good luck with that 100% Vancouver will be the one adding the best rental bank on it.
Don't they only have 950k?
Three weak defenseman, one mediocre defenseman,(Nurse) a fourth forward(Bouchard) , and one legitimate defenseman) Ekholm..this team will be lucky to get back to the finals with that defensive lineup.
Just wait and see what our cap we have now gonna be using for man i guess 2 good defensmen
Its better that you are starting to think before you are acting
Realistically, Ekholm is a number 1, Bouchard is a number 2 whether you think so or not, Nurse is 4-5 kulak is a 5-6 emberson is a 6-7 and brown is a 7. It’s definitely bad though, I hate it.
@@battlefieldoverlord6772 Bouchard high the 4th highest point total among D men. The guy is a number one
@@mikekari5095 For a one-trick pony.
This panel is absolutely terrible
Hall Laura Walker Michael Hernandez Timothy
My fuck they have to stop bringing this old guy on for the host. He knows absolutely nothing about sports and is reading from paper the whole time
Salty Leaf Fans man 😂 👎🏽
Cant wait for McDavid to leave so Oilers can be a bottom feeding team with all the annoying bandwagon fans gone too
How is TSN still relevant? Aside from World Juniors in December nobody follows these duds
TSN is miles better than Sportsnet. Sportsnet absolutely SUCKS!
@@AlbanianMan Some Sportsnet shows during the NBA-NHL off-season don't discuss hockey quite as much. I was able to find a couple of clips from a couple of different shows on Vancouver's Sportsnet 650's Twitter page, and that was just from within the past 12 hours, with plenty of discussion on the physical health of Canucks goalie Thatcher Demko. I wish the Fan 590 would have a bit more offseason coverage of developments around the NHL particularly surrounding Canadian teams.
Lol ok bud. Probably because you're watching the PWHL over the NHL. Im guessing your confused which gender you prefer to be called aswell.@@AlbanianMan
Everyone’s a fraud except Hayes to be honest.
Maby Oliers win a stanley but with Stan Bowman i sure hope not.
Toronto sports media shouldn't speak about any team ever until maple leafs actually get to say a final even 😂
Short of the raps winning the ship nobody in Toronto a winner 😂
So tsn quit hiring 5th liners to comment on hockey when their insight is really of no value and analysts who couldn't help any team with any comments ever 😂
Like give it up sirs
I like to watch those clips from radio shows that are made available via video if they happen to be about any Canadian NHL team. Last postseason I watched the Jets, then Leafs, bow out in the opening round, leaving the Canucks and Oilers as the only Canadian teams to win a playoff series. Considering how few playoff series the Leafs post-2004 have won (one), I like it when other non-Habs Canadian teams have playoff success (with the Habs having won more post-1967 Stanley Cups than any remaining Canadian team).
The Oilers are done. Offense yes, defense and goaltending no. McDavid will join a long list of great players to never get a Cup
You know nothing about hockey. After Knobloch took over, where did the oilers rank for team defence and goals against?
What are you talking about lolife
watch the next 4+ cups land in Edmonton
If Oilers can get rid off Darnell Nurse for sure Oilers can keep them with Oilers team.
Lots can happen before a trade deadline, but.. Ya D is a real concern. So is the Goaltending. Oilers would have won a cup this year with a solid starter. Losing Foegele and Holloway is a real loss indeed. Broberg at the 4.5 SL will now pay him had to be let go, but that to is a loss. This is starting to look like what happened to Chicago after they won their last cup.
In my opinion Edmonton had a winning recipe and now they've just destroyed their whole defensive core. Unfortunately, there is the problem with NHL players.They will always go for more money instead of sticking with a really good team to win a cup.
Funny how tsn for Toronto suc ks n u ts is so concerned about other Canadian teams when they should b worried about the gar bage leafs
Don’t get mad, get glad.
Not gonna lie, when I first heard the guy talking I immediately thought it was John Goodman