Off Grid waste management...BURN IT! Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 6 мар 2021
- In this video I detail how we handle our solid human waste, without a septic tank, compost pile or incinerator toilet. Look for my other videos about my toilet setup and another video showing this burn about 30 minutes in. Aggressive flame!
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This is way better than those expensive incinerator toilets that I’ll never be able to afford, thank you very much for sharing. I’m also not really interested in composting unless it’s vermicomposting. I would like to get a septic tank eventually but it’s not a priority right now.
Add a screen dome for a spark arrestor. Reminds me of the burn stack at a lumber yard
Good Tips! Thank you for sharing
Looks like you've actually invented another sort of incinerator like the toilet.
Maybe replace the pvc pipe with a perforated steel pipe or roll a piece of screen into a same size pipe? Just leave the perforated pipe in place to hold sawdust back with open center? Maybe throw some of your waste engine oil in the layers lol
I have added waste oil before as well as sensitive documents for security reasons. I tried a rolled up piece of 1/2" hardware cloth but it disrupts airflow to the point of being excessively smokey.
@@amicusfirepits could you extract heat with a water filled copper coil around the 55 gallon barrel? Or something like that...
This is a rocket stove ... it's a great design
You should market this Great process 👍🏻
2nd Comment:
Might using a cylinder of rolled expanded metal down the center hold a "chimney" better?
Expanded metal provides support, handles the heat, and restricts clumps from falling, thereby choking the flamefront.
Just a suggestion. 😊
That Rooster freaking loves you!! LOL!! Great video and great to keep your cool while filming... I would have been having a chicken dinner and then re-videoing...lol!
good information
Excellent. I am going tobdo the same but I am going tonadd a bit of wax. You might try adding melted wax as well.
I'm thinking 🤔 couldn't you mix the leftover compost with old mail and papers then break it all down with a mixer then add some quikrete in there just enough to hold it together to make a burning brick. I'm just thinking .
Interesting process. Wondering if you could throw the ashes to your garden as potash.
I'm sure it wouldn't hurt. The heat sterilizes the waste.
1 a chimney cover
2 why not use sticks and twigs to keep it burning
3 that's just what I needed! Thanks so much for sharing
I do add paper with sensitive information in the center to keep it flaming until it's self sustaining. The biggest obstacle is keeping the center column open for maximum airflow. Sometimes the sawdust can fall in and block the primary air inlet. If there's enough clearance underneath you can clear away any blockage and the extreme radiant heat downward will sanitize/burn the fall off.
Maybe a wire mesh center to help prevent collapse
looks like a great marshmallow roaster
Great video, thank you and can I make a suggestion? Would it be possible for you to put that thing on a slightly elevated metal cart with wheels so you can roll it out from under an elevated toilet??? And then you can simply boil liquids like a tea kettle before burning the solid waste inside???? I am looking for a way to just roll my incinerator out from under the bathroom and be rid of shavings, leaves, chips, urine seperators... just use the toilet like normal life with toilet paper and all and then boil the liquids out before burning the rest. My idea involves lathe and incasing the barrel in fire proof mortar, though... you know those metal grate flat bed carts you pull at the plant nursery? I'm thinking of some kind of dolly system like that.
Use the liquids from the urine as a fertilizer.
Personally I think he should just build a fire chamber underneath the barrel. And it would burn like a rocket stove.
G'Day mate
How did it make a fire
I B&B (bag&durn)in our wood stove as we do our biznes ,it gets Burned daily,in the summer when? Well we B&T it (bag&taus) throw it in the trash, anything that goes in the Woodstove becomes a feul!!
That's a good idea especially in the winter we all need something extra for the stove. After all there's the toilet that turns biznes into ash.
Video quality tips: An external microphone, especially a clip on one, would help dramatically. Also, don't be afraid of simple editing or changing the environment. Volume had to be very high to hear you, but the rooster was closer to the phone, so it overpowered everything else. Finally, long form videos are typically shot horizontally.
I wonder if you dumped a couple liters of diesel in the hole before you light it. It will continue to burn and get good and hot early to help ensure it stays hot enough to burn continuously. I say that because the military uses a diesel method when portajohns aren't feasible.
I have added some used oil and similar fluids between the layers as an accelerant. Once it comes up to Temp, it's pretty self sustaining. The sawdust keeps the process a little less objectionable. I've seen video of the jet fuel method, the constant stirring didn't appeal to me. 😷🫤
Just wondering if there would be any advantage to a rocket stove design, with the fire being fed from below...
Depends on the size of the rocket stove. Currently I only have to have a burn every six weeks.
Could this be hooked up to an RV tank hose so no buckets to empty?
Unlikely, the toilet itself is based on batch loads. You could use some sort of auger in a pipe to convey the sawdust and excrement to a separate holding tank. That's a lot more of a build than I'm willing to attempt. I only have to do this method of burning once every 5-6 weeks. The toilet bucket is switched out a couple times per week for 2 people.
What do you do with all these buckets of waste until it’s burn time? I wouldnt want buckets of poop all over my property just sitting around for weeks
I do have a designated shelter with good ventilation to keep them until I'm ready to burn them. The majority of the contents of the buckets are mostly the sawdust cover material anyway. So nothing too objectionable. Porta potties in my experience are far less sanitary than what I deal with every six weeks or so.
2 questions: Let's say today is "dump" day, the day you take a dump. How many days does it need to "dry" before you can burn it in the barrel? If your 5 gal. bucket is now "full" after today's deposit, do you let it dry out somewhere, somehow before adding it to the burning barrel?
Actually, human feces is over 90% moisture and basically nitrogen so technically the poo itself doesn't burn. The cover material (pine wood shavings) serves as the fuel source to sterilize and dehydrate the waste. Afterwards the ash is dumped on a compost pile. I hope this answers your question. As to the time frame, I don't have a specific drying period. Some of the buckets are 5 weeks old and others less than 5 days.
@@amicusfirepits Could you burn it the same day as you deposited it or you do need to wait for drying?
@@atubeviewer4942 I've burned contents on the same day. The pine shavings layered as described in the video provide the necessary heat to dry out anything wet.
Thank you for your video. Couldn't I just burn it daily in my regular burn barrel? That way I wouldn't have to go into storing or layering.
Daily burning may be possible. You may need an established fire to add it to or have to use an accelerant like the military does. They mix waste with jet fuel in remote areas where there is no infrastructure. Let me know how things work out please.
@@amicusfirepits thanks.
Interesting video. But why don't you just build a burn chamber underneath. An effectively make it like a rocket stove.. basically a small fire and then everything channels upward.
Instead of trying to burn down. Use the laws of nature AKA physics to your advantage.
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off-grid tip: if you use this method and you don't want to look at any feces, just pause the camera for those parts.
Q about the urine youve diverted, then what... Do you let that evaporate somewhere, or cook it to evaporate it, or have an area where you dump it on the ground?
My urine diverting toilet drains into an underground plumbing system that combines it with our grey water. It's held in a buried 40 gallon drum and that gets pumped up to an elevated leech mound. Each time the pump cycles it delivers 2 gallons to the mound. The sloped discharge pipe then drains back to prevent freezing in winter.
Its a shame you dont have some long charcoal pieces you can put in the middle. Spaced well apart you would still have airflow but the charcoal would keep it lit.
Any kind of diet you maintain to make the best burning poop
High fiber works best...LOL
Drink gasolene
Eat wood
So, what do u do with your plastic, metal, and glass?
I have a 92$ garbage bill every month. If I can reduce that by 60$ that’s 720$ per year.
We take anything recyclable to the local Fire station. They have collection dumpsters.
@@amicusfirepits I’m thinking of building my own compactor dump trailer and paying to dump once a year. Or perhaps twice. When compressed, it does not tale much space. I have an old garbage compactor to do each bag.
perhaps replace the pvc with an expanded rolled up metal tub so you don't need to remove it (I'd be afraid the chimney column would collapse during burning)
It has collapsed in the past. I've since used 1/2" hardware cloth to make a wire frame tube. I think the next upgrade will be some expanded metal. That should hold up a bit better.
I don't use gruise sewer sewer water toilet 16 inch high no liquid squat compost toilet
Is there any smells that come with burning it ? Like of you had neighbors would they know you were burning poo ?
Generally, I'll burn after dark and pay attention to wind direction. I have several buckets so I can select ideal conditions so as not to offend the neighbors. Any smoke I get smells more like wood smoke than anything else.
@@amicusfirepits thank you. We have been trying to find an alternative to our current method that isn't very efficient. This is much better. Thank you again sir
Does the poop smell as it's burning
The only discernible odor according to my wife, who has a stronger sense of smell is that of wood smoke.
55 gallons of smoldering burning poop conjures up unspeakable horrors.
I use a composting toilet utilizing tall draw-string plastic kitchen bags.
Nugget: I eat a 100% carnivore diet and poop only a tiny amount about every 9 days. I have done this for 3 years. I enjoy robust health and do not gain weight. In fact, in 3 years, I have lost over 100 pounds and kept it off.
When they work, incinerating toilets don't use that much energy, although they are more pricey than they should be. While this process may be effective, keeping buckets of dung around isn't something I'd really want to do. Also, seems like it takes a lot more time and energy for this option than using an incinerating toilet (not to mention the state where I live prohibits "burn" barrels), which is essentially what this is. We also have burn bans, which prohibit ANY kind of burning - even recreational.
If it ever came down to not being able to burn, I'd switch to composting. I believe I have the appropriate mix of carbon to nitrogen for that to work. Generally it takes a minimum of 6 months to make it safe as a fertilizer. That's going to need a lot more buckets, close to 60 in rotation unless I just create a large singular pile. The upside to having a pile would be the heat generated. Could use that heat in winter to warm the house or greenhouse.
Add a small amount of diesel to the sawdust
Why not have the tank inderneath the outhouse and everytime you use it you finish by poring a spoon of saw dust then when its full you remove the tank and fire it up.
We don't have an outhouse. Our toilet is inside with a urine diverter to keep as much fluid as possible out of the equation.
Is it legal to burn human waste in your area?
Incinerator toilets use propane or electricity. Their marketed primarily to RVs and boats, so commercially available products sold the Nationwide it has to be an acceptable method of waste disposal. So my general rule of thumb is never ask for permission always forgiveness, especially when dealing with local government.
Why not. Anything else can burn in the proper method. Better than having it stored away. But why not buy a small stove heater for winter use.
What happens to pee?
My toilet has a urine diverter. That along with all my grey water flows to a buried drum and a pond fountain pump delivers 2 gallons at a time to an elevated leech mound. However, some urine does get mixed in with the #2. That's why I layer wet and dry to keep the fire burning until all the moisture is evaporated.
just try not to breathe in poop smoke
Burn bro
You know what they did back in the day? They called it an outhouse. It looks like you have enough land. They used what they called a bedpan if they needed during the night.
Landscape dude. Not portrait. First rule of video.
Do NOT do this during fire season!
Too Long
I agree
Not very well thought out poorly executed attempt at protecting the environment from inoculation of disease vectors thus creating an incubation area of human disease infection.
The initial collection storage and transport will allow time and opportunity for incubation and migration. Many of the larger vectors will quickly develop and translocate freely. Microscopic vectors will travel through air column and evaporation. Quite frankly, holding the human waste in any environment where incubation or translocation within the human use areas should have a minimum exposure time limit. Seconds is ideal, minutes are moderately risky and hours are unacceptable.
The disease vectors excreted from human waste need to be dispersed quickly and efficiently into an adequately sized environment not utilized by humans and domestic animals. Think dilution. Or the waste must be incinerated immediately without potential for inhalation or other dispersal into the open environment.
The initial start up of the demonstrated incinerator revealed that disease vectors and loads of fertile eggs would be blown about the human use areas.
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Sooooo, farts are deadly?
@@etchediniron4249 High velocity spatter, flying fecal, and pin worm darts along with a copious volume of sewer gas could be a consideration but flying and crawling insects, birds, and small animals are sufficient enough. Regardless, human solid waste is the time to end additional life cycles - not to promote them. Do you know if strongyloidiasis can cover ground fast?
@@anthonyrstrawbridge I do know strongyloidiasis has a high mortality rate if left untreated. And can be in your system long before you’re aware. No doubt it’s dangerous. Do you think composting toilets with bio bags are any safer?