I think people complaining about the price don't understand how much money it takes to get a stamped steel factory and neccessary forged parts from paper to store shelves... Modern firearm manufacturing in the USA is focused on injection molding, CNC machining, and forging of mainly simple or high volume products... Basically the exact opposite of pre 1970s mass production methods... Honestly I'm surprised they made it to an actual finished, working, available product! Because most of these classic reproduction projects fail due to high costs and relatively low demand... I'm guessing they are making almost nothing profit wise until they sell several thousand units at the current price... Even then they may go belly up!
older milsurp firearms went for just change for a long time when `fact` is the quality/ruggedness far surpasses many modern weapons, which is one reason why they are expensive to produce even now. affordable originals in relevant calibers are great candidates for long term shtf weaponry
*MEH* I have a real one (a AYF-40) on a form-4 with the hooked charging handle and the factory leather fob to keep it from slam firing but never tried it though. However, I will say this is an extremely nice clone if you don't have $20,000+ to spend on a real one....they did a spot on job with the machined lightening cuts on the receiver and the telescopic recoil-spring. By the way, I bought mine back in 1988...it cost me $900 not including tax-stamp and transfer fee.
According to Ian of Forgotten Weapons… the reason that reproductions take so long to make is that the technical data package / blueprints are destroyed after WW2.
And they were all made in an era of state-funded arms manufacture and plentiful, cheap manual labor. Your standard Luger is a bespoke work of art compared to the $300 MIM guns you see today.
You'll have to forgive me if I call BS on that premise. We don't live in the Khyber Pass, with zero access to micrometers, 3D scanning or libraries. Reverse engineering ain't that difficult. Neat gun, though.
@@mariokart8054 The actual reason they're cheaper is because of volume of production, not because of anything else. If you wanted to make the amount of Luger pistols in 1903 that replica Lugers would sell in 2023 (that is, not many) and literally no other pistols, you'd get a pistol that costs probably around the same as it does today (very expensive).
These guys are doing phenomenal work making sure they're as faithful to the original designs as possible. Can't say enough good things about the dudes at DK.
D-K had tables at the Show of Shows in Louisville in Feb. If the variety of parts available is an indication of what they are working on besides the MP38, think MKb, MP43 series variations and FG...
They were junk when new. I actually was issued one in 1990 in Korea. Being a tanker it was leftover crap. I was able to get "reissued" (After bribery with the battalion armorer) a Vietnam dated M14 instead. (Yeah, a little long for a tank but worth the trouble) I could have gotten an M1 carbine as well. The crap leftover from the war was still on the books for issue/
Man, that is awesome. Looks very nice and realistic! I have a real German WW2 era MP-38, all the details and markings are spot on. Mine is also marked "AYF-41". Looks like an amazing replica!
That's very cool! I've only seen two original MP 38s in my life. One is/was in the US Army Ordnance Museum in Aberdeen, Maryland. The other was in a WWII reenactment in Pennsylvania in the 1990s. The same reenactment had an original MP 41 too, which was interesting to see.
They are very nice, incredibly well made. I have an original MP-38 myself, also have an MP-40. The MP-38 is my favorite gun in the collection. And by far the most expensive one. It's marked "AYF-41", meaning it was made by Erma in 1941. The last year of MP-38 production.
Very cool. I was thinking it would be about $3000. $4500 is a lot but I can definitely see how they got there. Hopefully it sells well enough for them.
@@Stop_Gooning The GSG MP40 is largely cast pot metal, with "barely good enough" internal parts. It is cosmetically similar to the MP40 but just about the cheapest semi-auto rifle they could get away with on the inside. See also the GSG MP5 and STG44. That's a relatively low-cost way of tooling up for manufacture, and commonly used on the Airsoft, blank-fire and non-firing replica market, which I think is how GSG got into firearms. This MP38 repro looks like it's manufactured as close to the original as possible, barring legally required changes. That was expensive in 1940 (thus the cheaper MP40) and is even more expensive in 2023. They're never going to sell a million of these, so those R&D costs have to be divided between far fewer units. If you're happy with a $600 "kindalookslike" gat, fine stick with the GSG. If someone wants a MP38 enough to spunk $4500 on one, that's their business. I can cut stuff just as well with a £10 Mora knife as I can with a £multi-hundred custom or limited-run piece of functional art.
There was a westgerman import in late 1990s in machined tooled manufacturing..gorgeous and about $3800 Then a mp40 in stamped maching...dont remember that price
Support this company guys, they plan to finally import the legendary BD42G, my all time grail gun I've wanted for years. Including stg44s, and other German WW2 guns in super high quality. The more of us buy from them, the cheaper they can make the product after they get tooled up. These ain't cheap guns to make!
I have the GSG Mp 40 and it is no where near like this one. It comes apart totally different and the internal parts are different as well. I paid WAY less for mine, but I still like it. Fun pistol to shoot.
For the price you'd pay for this, you can buy an original expert grade Gewehr 43 or soviet SVT-40, or you could get 3 Mauser k98s, 3 M1 Garands, or 1 k98, 1 M1 Carbine and 1 M1 Garand. It's a bit ridiculous at $4700.
just FYI the planter box behind you need some TLC also you might want to water your plants more often, and I had that same sunflower windcatcher back in 1970 in my dad's front yard, also regarding the MP38 that's a beautiful copy of Teutonic engineering!
1978, West Germany. I had an opportunity to qualify on German military guns. The G3 rifle, the pistol, former P38....Being a long time revolver shooter, had my thumb over the web of my right hand. Lol, first shot, slide left a shallow groove on my left thumb. Still a trace of the groove.
Great video Tim and if I could afford the price tag for one I would be first in line. For those of more modest means, there is the GSG, MP40 in 9mm for 600 and change. It is not as accurate of a replica as the MP 38 in your video however it is more affordable and used by a few reenactors. There are inexpensive replacement parts for the GSG version such as the threaded muzzle protector which enhances its appearance to be more authentic. It is by no means a direct copy however it is suitable for reenactors use. The collector value of the MP38 is by far greater however and I agree it is wonderful that a US made replica will be available for collectors.
Getting ready to head off to work, just find quarter of an hour to spend time with Mr MAC....... OH YES thank you Sir. Lovely vid even "LOVELIERER" gun, thank you, and thank you to the folks that have produced this gun, all the love from the UK.
I’m not so sure about the whole million dollar production facility,I’m under the impression that these are built mostly from imported parts made by SSD of Germany, with the receiver and final assembly presumably completed in the U.S. Being a pistol, 922r wouldn’t apply so not sure why they couldn’t just import them as pistols straight from Germany like IO Inc did circa 2008…, kind of a shame this new one now has the cross bolt safety but at least it looks somewhat discrete. Here’s hoping they would do the FG42’s
@@CoreyBaker-mz4ce From skimming over the available materials, it seems not impossible to import a single semi-auto fire-arm (pistol or rifle), just lots of forms and tax payments. Importing a commercial volume would seem to be "a bridge too far", which is why parts get imported and receivers are manufactured in the US, or another (not the original, just like the replica H&K MP5, G3 and G33 made by third parties) manufacturer entirely unconnected to the original foreign one makes them from scratch in the US.
We sent several 38's and they all kept getting denied one problem was weight of the firearm they said it was to much to be a pistol also it was to easy to put a stock on it.
Maybe suggest to them of having a faux stock in the folded position and not be able to deploy? That would look so much better than that hole. I would think so anyway.
These are actually mostly made in germany by Sport Systeme Dittrich by what is belived to be actuall WW2 manufacturing equpiment! They are the same ones who made the PTR-44 a couple years ago.
This will be big if the new modern mags fit originals. I own a real mp40. Like 5 years ago mags were about $160+ for just ok quality mags. I did find you can modify Belgium vigneron smg mags by sanding down the front and sides that fit in the mag well and they work in mp40s. Cheap but annoying to modify unless you have lots of time on your hand to tinker and test.
The balls to disassemble outside including the small springs is crazy rofl. I would've lost every spring and been crying 😂😂😂😂 crawling on the floor with a magnet!!!!
@@dillonc7955 MP5K with a foregrip is gonna be an AOW though which probably wouldn't sell that well. HK currently sells an MP5K(SP5K) without a foregrip, but it's extremely cost prohibitive.
@@dillonc7955 i haven't looked in a while, but there was a time you could get Turkish MP5 clones for $900 and the prototype foregrip is only like $60, just need a tax stamp for $200.
For the cost I think id rather spend $2,500 - $3,000 on one of the Czech-Point Vz.58 rifles to go with my Cz.52 pistol. If they keep the production going with no plans to stop that would be great for when I can just drop the money on one. I been wanting one of retro prototype AR15`s sold by Brownells in .308/7.62 Nato caliber but they stopped production after about two years which has me quite bummed out. On their website I see they already have a StG44 listed but nothing on their website has the ability to put in their cart everything including this just has a product page to read about it but no ability to purchase or a price.
I think machining is in this case cheaper for small series since tools and devices for stamping costs a lot of work- and developing time. Looks really nice done. But I personally would prefer firing from open bolt, if I pay a lot of money for a Mp40 i dont want it for precision shooting.
I think machining is just cheaper in general now thanks to cnc getting better and cheaper. Even new Ruger designs are heavily utilizing CNC parts vs the castings they are known for.
@@forrest225 I think it really depends on the number, as you said, there is a big progress in cnc, which made the difference in number you need to sell/make bigger.
The cost to make a new Luger you would be better off to go buy a original were only interested in manufacturing firearms that are pretty much unavailable to the market.
Just the sound going back together, you can hear the quality of " metal " being slammed together! You can not say that about the other " MP 40 " . I want one bad.
I would pay that price if the replica was the EXACT copy of the original. But all you get for $4.5K is just a cripple toy, looking like MP-38. I got my GSG for $500.00 and I'm happy.
It even SOUNDS like a classic gun. Could be listening to an Ian McCollum video. Good to know the capability to make guns like these still exists. Price is like a third of what an original MP-40 cost last time I looked. Even if it comes down a thousand I likely won't be able to afford it, I'm about to sell my M1 Garand and Colt 1911 to fund house and car projects but this is very cool. Glad to see something I like hit the market. Wonder if PSA will snatch these guys up and make some VG-5s or other last ditch German guns, I think those are neat and could be cheap.
I like to see more weapon clones dating back to WW1. I always wondered why the MP38 did not have a traditional handguard. Being a sub-machine gun designed to spray, the Germans decided the magazine should suffice as a foregrip
Bro we need to just delete the atf and make them all get jobs not infringing on rights and taxation without representation. As well as delete the illegal laws from the 30s and 80s these morons enforce over the 2nd amendment, and then we dont need binary triggers. Youll be able to get whatever you want man. The innovation will be so nuts our military is going to have ray guns right out of call of duty zombies in no time.
I honestly wish someone was making a version of the P38/P1 with a high capacity magazine. I like my P1's, but it's not a serious duty carry with the single stack magazine.
@@onelonecelt9168 you don't think single-stacks are viable defence guns? I don't feel underarmed with my 1911, 9 rnds. of .45 goodness.... 10 rounders in the pouch. 'Course, I stay out of inner cities, where belt-fed isn't enough!
@@JohnTBlock According to actual gunfights? It can take more than the 6-8 rounds commonly in concealed carry weapons. You can be rushed and put out of commission in the time it takes to reload. Feel free to carry what you like and can use well. Everyone is going to have a different opinion in this area, but I steer clear of areas I am likely going to need to employ a weapon if at all possible, like inner cities.
@@KaiserJoecks They are similar, and I have handled and fired Berreta 92's. I prefer the P1 design. The grip on the 92 is fatter( obviously I know, but bear with me, I have a point), than say a Browning Hi Power. So I suppose I should specify a P1 barrel and slide with grip width of a Hi Power. I also don't like the fact that the locking surfaces are exposed on the 92. The locking block is protected.
I'm curious what they changed dimensionally on the reciver, or what changes they made to how the FCG sits, because from what I understand that is in part the legal issue with some SMG clones that are made to be semi auto. If the tube reciver is identical, even if the gun is internally redesigned to be semi auto, ATF gets it on "...or the frame or receiver of any such weapon..." language and considers it a machine gun. I've heard rumor thats why some of the dimensions are different on the PSA STG44. But I'm not certain
@@heyheyhophop no that wouldn't quite do it as I understand it, because even if its firing from the closed bolt the reciver could still be identical and therfore in theory be a machine gun reciver. Maybe the tube inside diamater is technically just a bit larger or smaller so you can't fit a open bolt, bolt in the reciver and have it function?
A rill one fire's a bit faster than you were able to fire the Simi auto version and it was fun to waste 4 boxes of 9mm it just didn't last long enough! It took me longer to load the magazine once than 2 empty it 4 times
Wouldn't take much for this company to come out with the MP40 using the existing parts from this MP38. Only difference was the stamped metal receiver versus the milled piece.
I just learned that the MP-38 is a better gun than the MP-40 ! I e always wanted to own a MP-38 now . The thing I found that amazed me was a 500 round a min gun back in the 30s . When our soldiers showed up in Germany with a bolt action M-1 grand .. when they found the German guns way better they would throw there gun down and take the Germans guns all the rounds they could find . Off to fight them with there own gun . Just think about the Germans having this used against them . They would not know if it was the friend or foe ! I love this it’s so good to see the quality come up so far and really bring justice to what was back then . It’s just so hard to beat German engineering ! Just look at how long ago the Luger 9x19 gun and round was made it’s a household name for decades now . Even used in the guns that you were talking about . So being called Machine Pistol 38&40 both 9 mm parabelum . That words meaning is if you want peace prepare for war ! Arm yourself to the teeth no one will want anything to do with you ! Bringing you peace ! Great video !
The MP40 was the first mass-produced second generation submachine gun, making use of stamped sheet metal and polymer (a thermosetting phenol/formaldehyde resin patented under the trademark “Bakelite”). The MP38, which is functionally identical, used an expensive machined receiver made from a billet of forged steel. This made for an expensive and time consuming manufacturing process, which was a major impediment to mass production. Ok, history lesson over😂
I realize the market probably doesn't exist, but I'd be interested in a good P-38 clone. I'd have a lot of reservations about shooting a real one, and the main reason I'd own one is to be able to shoot it.
I agree $4k is a lot for your average firearm. However considering the R&D and just the machine work on that firearm and it's not hard to see why they cost what they do...
Why aren’t they producing them in Germany and importing them into the US like they did with the PTR-44? That was a rifle, this is a pistol (so no 922r bullshit). Would’ve made these even more authentic if they came from the country they were originally from.
I have to say as a WW2 GI fanboy/reenactor I would consider shelling out that kind of dough for a M3 grease gun copy. It to had a slow rate of fire and would be imitated ok by a semi auto copy.
A lower price in the future is highly doubtful, this would undermine the limited run and the very high price only a few can afford. They should have held back until fully running made a small special edition for collectors and then sold boatloads at a cheaper price to all of us clamoring for these.
Something like this should be used by police. Using M-4s with 5.56 is too much. I remember watching one video of the Los Angeles PD shooting some crazy drifter in a department store. They took him down with an M-4 but the bullets went through him and killed a lady hiding in a dressing room. A classic case of over penetration!
I hope they made sure full auto MP38 or MP40 parts(unregulated federally) won't drop into that receiver and function, if they will that's an illegal machine gun even in that configuration since it would be considered a full auto receiver(basically the same as semi auto parts in an M16 lower, still a machine gun legally speaking).
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The more I get in to old guns the more of a burning hatred I gain towards SBR regulations
And the Hughes Amendment, especially that one
@@jonahmarlow3816 that’s why Ronald Reagan is the WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY!!!!!
Metal detectors basically eliminated the need for sbr and sbs laws
Indeed! FJB/F-ATF!
@@jonathanbohm6489 as if there's anything wrong with concealing a gun? You shouldn't be allowed to prohibit guns from public spaces
I think people complaining about the price don't understand how much money it takes to get a stamped steel factory and neccessary forged parts from paper to store shelves... Modern firearm manufacturing in the USA is focused on injection molding, CNC machining, and forging of mainly simple or high volume products... Basically the exact opposite of pre 1970s mass production methods... Honestly I'm surprised they made it to an actual finished, working, available product! Because most of these classic reproduction projects fail due to high costs and relatively low demand... I'm guessing they are making almost nothing profit wise until they sell several thousand units at the current price... Even then they may go belly up!
People used to work years ago..i junked an old hammond organ from 1965. For guitar amp parts...the assembly was pure magic...those days are gone
I was completely stunned at the quality of this reproduction I was all-in till I heard the price tag LOL
Quality comes at a price, especially these days..
Yeah, that's up there, isn't it? Let's hope that price can come down someday. I do not need a copy that badly for my WW2 collection.
That’s why “correct “ clones never catch on
older milsurp firearms went for just change for a long time when `fact` is the quality/ruggedness far surpasses many modern weapons, which is one reason why they are expensive to produce even now. affordable originals in relevant calibers are great candidates for long term shtf weaponry
@@Beuwen_The_Dragondon't you have to competely replace the internals of the primary arms mp5s to get them to work reliably?
*MEH* I have a real one (a AYF-40) on a form-4 with the hooked charging handle and the factory leather fob to keep it from slam firing but never tried it though. However, I will say this is an extremely nice clone if you don't have $20,000+ to spend on a real one....they did a spot on job with the machined lightening cuts on the receiver and the telescopic recoil-spring. By the way, I bought mine back in 1988...it cost me $900 not including tax-stamp and transfer fee.
According to Ian of Forgotten Weapons… the reason that reproductions take so long to make is that the technical data package / blueprints are destroyed after WW2.
Or manufacturers don't even bother making reproductions due to the high manufacturing cost of said reproductions. As we see here.
And they were all made in an era of state-funded arms manufacture and plentiful, cheap manual labor. Your standard Luger is a bespoke work of art compared to the $300 MIM guns you see today.
You'll have to forgive me if I call BS on that premise. We don't live in the Khyber Pass, with zero access to micrometers, 3D scanning or libraries. Reverse engineering ain't that difficult. Neat gun, though.
@@mariokart8054 The actual reason they're cheaper is because of volume of production, not because of anything else. If you wanted to make the amount of Luger pistols in 1903 that replica Lugers would sell in 2023 (that is, not many) and literally no other pistols, you'd get a pistol that costs probably around the same as it does today (very expensive).
@@TheFanatical1 And how did they get production to such a volume? With cheap manual labor and state funding!
These guys are doing phenomenal work making sure they're as faithful to the original designs as possible. Can't say enough good things about the dudes at DK.
D-K had tables at the Show of Shows in Louisville in Feb. If the variety of parts available is an indication of what they are working on besides the MP38, think MKb, MP43 series variations and FG...
Thanks for checking out out booth it was a great show.
I think a reproduction of the M3 Grease Gun would be a hit.
It'd cost $4500.00 too, because of...reasons.
*machining. Damn spellcheck.
@@dangvorbei5304 lol yeah definitely even though they were meant to be cheap ass sheet metal shit lol i bet it would be that much
I was thinking that before I watched this video,my dad had one in korea.
They were junk when new. I actually was issued one in 1990 in Korea. Being a tanker it was leftover crap. I was able to get "reissued" (After bribery with the battalion armorer) a Vietnam dated M14 instead. (Yeah, a little long for a tank but worth the trouble) I could have gotten an M1 carbine as well. The crap leftover from the war was still on the books for issue/
This company is located like 25 miles away from me and I didn't know it existed until seeing the city and state engraved on the firearm.
Here in Poland we can buy a German made reproduction for Zl:2800.00 (Roughly US $500.00)
Wait, really?
Probably the GSG?
Yeah but id pay triple that to not live in Poland
@@sunnyztmoney Uncalled for, what an ignorant comment.
@@onenikkione Because you want to live in Poland? Then it is ignorant?
very cool
@@jasonroberts9357 what are you a democrat? Mind your own out of context business
Man, that is awesome. Looks very nice and realistic! I have a real German WW2 era MP-38, all the details and markings are spot on. Mine is also marked "AYF-41". Looks like an amazing replica!
That's very cool! I've only seen two original MP 38s in my life. One is/was in the US Army Ordnance Museum in Aberdeen, Maryland. The other was in a WWII reenactment in Pennsylvania in the 1990s. The same reenactment had an original MP 41 too, which was interesting to see.
You mean MP-40? Never seen one in real life. Met an old German soldier with his issued NAZI K-98 Mauser once in West Germany.
@@iamgermane the mp41 is another gun, very rare though
They are very nice, incredibly well made. I have an original MP-38 myself, also have an MP-40. The MP-38 is my favorite gun in the collection. And by far the most expensive one. It's marked "AYF-41", meaning it was made by Erma in 1941. The last year of MP-38 production.
Very cool. I was thinking it would be about $3000. $4500 is a lot but I can definitely see how they got there. Hopefully it sells well enough for them.
I got my GSG MP40 clone for $600...
If it's semi auto then there's no reason for that price tag.
@@Stop_Gooning The GSG MP40 is largely cast pot metal, with "barely good enough" internal parts. It is cosmetically similar to the MP40 but just about the cheapest semi-auto rifle they could get away with on the inside. See also the GSG MP5 and STG44. That's a relatively low-cost way of tooling up for manufacture, and commonly used on the Airsoft, blank-fire and non-firing replica market, which I think is how GSG got into firearms. This MP38 repro looks like it's manufactured as close to the original as possible, barring legally required changes. That was expensive in 1940 (thus the cheaper MP40) and is even more expensive in 2023. They're never going to sell a million of these, so those R&D costs have to be divided between far fewer units.
If you're happy with a $600 "kindalookslike" gat, fine stick with the GSG. If someone wants a MP38 enough to spunk $4500 on one, that's their business. I can cut stuff just as well with a £10 Mora knife as I can with a £multi-hundred custom or limited-run piece of functional art.
It looks like a mp-40 from a distance but the gsg gun don't deserve the name MP-40
You're only gonna larp with it anyway, so who cares. If you need to invade Poland you can always crank up a legit waffenfabrik.
There was a westgerman import in late 1990s in machined tooled manufacturing..gorgeous and about $3800
Then a mp40 in stamped maching...dont remember that price
Support this company guys, they plan to finally import the legendary BD42G, my all time grail gun I've wanted for years. Including stg44s, and other German WW2 guns in super high quality. The more of us buy from them, the cheaper they can make the product after they get tooled up. These ain't cheap guns to make!
I need one!!! I've watch this video 20 plus times now!!! Would love to see a dedicated FG42 video!!!
One day
Dude I love it, they really tried hard to get thing. Much respect.
Out of my price range, but I hope they take off!
Wheres the guy saying "How bout an MP38 in 5.7×28?"
Theres always one. Its a rule of nature.
Every time I watch his videos on new guns, I seem to want a new gun. Anyone else feeling it?
You mean a "new" old gun? Yea....
I have the GSG Mp 40 and it is no where near like this one. It comes apart totally different and the internal parts are different as well. I paid WAY less for mine, but I still like it. Fun pistol to shoot.
I bet it bump fires nicely!
I could see Tisas making a P38 clone 😁
For the price you'd pay for this, you can buy an original expert grade Gewehr 43 or soviet SVT-40, or you could get 3 Mauser k98s, 3 M1 Garands, or 1 k98, 1 M1 Carbine and 1 M1 Garand. It's a bit ridiculous at $4700.
Good video, been watching you for years , first video was your video on HK mr762
I want an STG44. I have a GSG Mp40 clone. It's fun.
@@___meph___4547 yep
The GSG MP40/9mm clone is an awesome little gun. Has been very reliable and accurate with everything I have seen put through them.
@@___meph___4547 Palmetto is working with the guys from HMG to get the HMG stg in production finally after 10 years……
I love that guns that were designed to be cheaply made and mass produced are coming to the market in 2023 for $4500.
@@chadhaire1711 This is an MP38 and yes the MP40 was the cheaply made version
@chad haire So the MP40 wasn't a simplification of the MP38 utilizing stamped sheet metal and other cost saving measures?
It looks really nice.
Fun Fact: the P-38 remained prevalent in use with German Border guards right up to the late 60s. I believe GDR (East German) border guards.
Bundeswehr used them too, as P-3 as far as i remember.
just FYI the planter box behind you need some TLC also you might want to water your plants more often, and I had that same sunflower windcatcher back in 1970 in my dad's front yard, also regarding the MP38 that's a beautiful copy of Teutonic engineering!
1978, West Germany. I had an opportunity to qualify on German military guns. The G3 rifle, the pistol, former P38....Being a long time revolver shooter, had my thumb over the web of my right hand. Lol, first shot, slide left a shallow groove on my left thumb. Still a trace of the groove.
Great video Tim and if I could afford the price tag for one I would be first in line. For those of more modest means, there is the GSG, MP40 in 9mm for 600 and change. It is not as accurate of a replica as the MP 38 in your video however it is more affordable and used by a few reenactors. There are inexpensive replacement parts for the GSG version such as the threaded muzzle protector which enhances its appearance to be more authentic. It is by no means a direct copy however it is suitable for reenactors use.
The collector value of the MP38 is by far greater however and I agree it is wonderful that a US made replica will be available for collectors.
Ty
Getting ready to head off to work, just find quarter of an hour to spend time with Mr MAC....... OH YES thank you Sir. Lovely vid even "LOVELIERER" gun, thank you, and thank you to the folks that have produced this gun, all the love from the UK.
Imagine gun companies begin reproducing WW1 and WW2 guns, i wouldve sold my house
Its not very profitable. Very niche market
@Detroit vs Everybody Look up the MP41. The stock is "sporterized". With a 16 in barrel, it would be 50 State Legal.
I'm there with you.
@@oldesertguy9616 With who? You agree with me?
Personally I wish I could get a Swedish K
I remember back in the late 90's when I was offered an original MP40 in Albania for 500 bucks.
@DR-qs4xk I didn't buy it, there was no way I could take it with me.
I’m not so sure about the whole million dollar production facility,I’m under the impression that these are built mostly from imported parts made by SSD of Germany, with the receiver and final assembly presumably completed in the U.S. Being a pistol, 922r wouldn’t apply so not sure why they couldn’t just import them as pistols straight from Germany like IO Inc did circa 2008…, kind of a shame this new one now has the cross bolt safety but at least it looks somewhat discrete. Here’s hoping they would do the FG42’s
If we could have imported them we would.
@@CoreyBaker-mz4ce From skimming over the available materials, it seems not impossible to import a single semi-auto fire-arm (pistol or rifle), just lots of forms and tax payments.
Importing a commercial volume would seem to be "a bridge too far", which is why parts get imported and receivers are manufactured in the US, or another (not the original, just like the replica H&K MP5, G3 and G33 made by third parties) manufacturer entirely unconnected to the original foreign one makes them from scratch in the US.
We sent several 38's and they all kept getting denied one problem was weight of the firearm they said it was to much to be a pistol also it was to easy to put a stock on it.
If you want an FG42 you can get a much better gun from Smith Machine Group, in either pattern. That gun actually works.
Maybe suggest to them of having a faux stock in the folded position and not be able to deploy? That would look so much better than that hole. I would think so anyway.
Too cool ! I'd love one . Love the channel. Always enjoy your reviews
i traded a mp5 for a mp40 several years ago. also have a real mp44 never regrated buying have gone up in value
These are actually mostly made in germany by Sport Systeme Dittrich by what is belived to be actuall WW2 manufacturing equpiment! They are the same ones who made the PTR-44 a couple years ago.
Really cool seeing them remade looking so close to the originals.
True.
I have the BB version and it looks fantastic!!!
Got a 1944 Walther P-38, a fun shooting pistol. Also have a GSG MP-40 which I SBR, another fun plinking gun.
This will be big if the new modern mags fit originals. I own a real mp40. Like 5 years ago mags were about $160+ for just ok quality mags. I did find you can modify Belgium vigneron smg mags by sanding down the front and sides that fit in the mag well and they work in mp40s. Cheap but annoying to modify unless you have lots of time on your hand to tinker and test.
They do fit originals
The balls to disassemble outside including the small springs is crazy rofl. I would've lost every spring and been crying 😂😂😂😂 crawling on the floor with a magnet!!!!
I was thinking the same thing about that little spring!..,
Fantastic! they should replicate too the MAB 38A
Beautiful gun. Way out of my price range. But I sure love it.
Hopefully they can do mass production and also copy the Stg44 in semi only, so that we can also touch them in France :)
Not to play this down, a mp38 is super cool, but I would love some cold war Era clones like a Walther mpl.
I'd love to see the MPL or the experimental MP5K with the built in foregrip.
@@dillonc7955 MP5K with a foregrip is gonna be an AOW though which probably wouldn't sell that well. HK currently sells an MP5K(SP5K) without a foregrip, but it's extremely cost prohibitive.
@@dillonc7955 i haven't looked in a while, but there was a time you could get Turkish MP5 clones for $900 and the prototype foregrip is only like $60, just need a tax stamp for $200.
Now THAT would be worth a tax stamp ! VERY cool ! Thanks Tim !
I helped bring D-K Production group to Monticello Ky
Really sweet, the cost is going to kill them though. Cheaper than a full auto but way out of the average shooters range.
We're sold out
That is one of the coolest guns I have ever seen.
For the cost I think id rather spend $2,500 - $3,000 on one of the Czech-Point Vz.58 rifles to go with my Cz.52 pistol.
If they keep the production going with no plans to stop that would be great for when I can just drop the money on one. I been wanting one of retro prototype AR15`s sold by Brownells in .308/7.62 Nato caliber but they stopped production after about two years which has me quite bummed out.
On their website I see they already have a StG44 listed but nothing on their website has the ability to put in their cart everything including this just has a product page to read about it but no ability to purchase or a price.
I mean if they make a M1941 Johnson or Johnson LMG for 4500, consider it sold
Very freaking cool Tim! Love your videos
I think machining is in this case cheaper for small series since tools and devices for stamping costs a lot of work- and developing time. Looks really nice done. But I personally would prefer firing from open bolt, if I pay a lot of money for a Mp40 i dont want it for precision shooting.
I think machining is just cheaper in general now thanks to cnc getting better and cheaper. Even new Ruger designs are heavily utilizing CNC parts vs the castings they are known for.
Yeah bro submachine guns are useless semi auto. Better than nothing but this is usa why are my human rights on the edge of eradication constantly?
@@forrest225 I think it really depends on the number, as you said, there is a big progress in cnc, which made the difference in number you need to sell/make bigger.
Im so glad that they stamped the eagle with a x its needed
Reproduction p08 Luger please
The cost to make a new Luger you would be better off to go buy a original were only interested in manufacturing firearms that are pretty much unavailable to the market.
Just the sound going back together, you can hear the quality of " metal " being slammed together! You can not say that about the other " MP 40 " . I want one bad.
Absolutely worth it
what I want is a Semi FG-42
Thanks for the review. When they make a clone of the The Beretta M38A count me in.
I would pay that price if the replica was the EXACT copy of the original. But all you get for $4.5K is just a cripple toy, looking like MP-38. I got my GSG for $500.00 and I'm happy.
Ouch... 💸
Don't worry. If I somehow come into any large sums of money, these guys will be some of the first ones to get it.
It even SOUNDS like a classic gun. Could be listening to an Ian McCollum video. Good to know the capability to make guns like these still exists. Price is like a third of what an original MP-40 cost last time I looked. Even if it comes down a thousand I likely won't be able to afford it, I'm about to sell my M1 Garand and Colt 1911 to fund house and car projects but this is very cool. Glad to see something I like hit the market. Wonder if PSA will snatch these guys up and make some VG-5s or other last ditch German guns, I think those are neat and could be cheap.
Id buy one but my state wouldnt allow it. I gotta support quality recreations of these classics
move
GSG made a pretty good copy of the MP40 that was imported by ATI, I believe.
Poor quality made by zinc alloy
My friend bought one, it’s garbage and jams constantly. Don’t buy an ATI.
I like to see more weapon clones dating back to WW1. I always wondered why the MP38 did not have a traditional handguard. Being a sub-machine gun designed to spray, the Germans decided the magazine should suffice as a foregrip
I think an MP18 would be neat.
This is the only firearm currently being made at this time that I want . It's the perfect SBR for me .
That is totally awesome 👌🏻 I have the GSG MP40 SEMI-AUTO I paid $600 I am planning on SBR it .
Would love to see a Kp-31 Suomi reproduced. Thanks for the video, Mac!
Man that is so cool!!
We NEED luger clones... not paying those prices and as they age they will eventually deteriorate
Now they need a binary trigger for it
No we need to repeal the NFA and GCA and have one thats full auto.
Bro we need to just delete the atf and make them all get jobs not infringing on rights and taxation without representation. As well as delete the illegal laws from the 30s and 80s these morons enforce over the 2nd amendment, and then we dont need binary triggers. Youll be able to get whatever you want man. The innovation will be so nuts our military is going to have ray guns right out of call of duty zombies in no time.
Although high, the price makes a lot more sense considering the cost to reverse-engineer and produce these than the price on a SCAR or semi MP5.
I’m so excited, I really hope DK imports more of SSD’s products especially the vg1-5 🤤
Great video!
I have a GSG MP40 clone
Sure would be cool if I could put an under-folder on it without having to pay $200 extra
P-38 is iconic, affected many future designs. It's also the only service pistol to eject to the LEFT!!
I honestly wish someone was making a version of the P38/P1 with a high capacity magazine. I like my P1's, but it's not a serious duty carry with the single stack magazine.
@@onelonecelt9168 you don't think single-stacks are viable defence guns? I don't feel underarmed with my 1911, 9 rnds. of .45 goodness.... 10 rounders in the pouch. 'Course, I stay out of inner cities, where belt-fed isn't enough!
@@onelonecelt9168 it’s called a beretta 92.
@@JohnTBlock According to actual gunfights? It can take more than the 6-8 rounds commonly in concealed carry weapons. You can be rushed and put out of commission in the time it takes to reload. Feel free to carry what you like and can use well. Everyone is going to have a different opinion in this area, but I steer clear of areas I am likely going to need to employ a weapon if at all possible, like inner cities.
@@KaiserJoecks They are similar, and I have handled and fired Berreta 92's. I prefer the P1 design. The grip on the 92 is fatter( obviously I know, but bear with me, I have a point), than say a Browning Hi Power. So I suppose I should specify a P1 barrel and slide with grip width of a Hi Power.
I also don't like the fact that the locking surfaces are exposed on the 92. The locking block is protected.
I'm curious what they changed dimensionally on the reciver, or what changes they made to how the FCG sits, because from what I understand that is in part the legal issue with some SMG clones that are made to be semi auto. If the tube reciver is identical, even if the gun is internally redesigned to be semi auto, ATF gets it on "...or the frame or receiver of any such weapon..." language and considers it a machine gun. I've heard rumor thats why some of the dimensions are different on the PSA STG44. But I'm not certain
Maybe this clone firing from the closed bolt is the answer
@@heyheyhophop no that wouldn't quite do it as I understand it, because even if its firing from the closed bolt the reciver could still be identical and therfore in theory be a machine gun reciver. Maybe the tube inside diamater is technically just a bit larger or smaller so you can't fit a open bolt, bolt in the reciver and have it function?
A rill one fire's a bit faster than you were able to fire the Simi auto version and it was fun to waste 4 boxes of 9mm it just didn't last long enough! It took me longer to load the magazine once than 2 empty it 4 times
1:13 I mean someone could try to clone them and make them somewhat attainable
Wouldn't take much for this company to come out with the MP40 using the existing parts from this MP38. Only difference was the stamped metal receiver versus the milled piece.
Good video, Tim
It seems to me that the MP-38 clone is out of the price point for Re-Enactors who do German Impressions for now.
I can't do German impressions. I always come off Austrian.
I just learned that the MP-38 is a better gun than the MP-40 ! I e always wanted to own a MP-38 now . The thing I found that amazed me was a 500 round a min gun back in the 30s . When our soldiers showed up in Germany with a bolt action M-1 grand .. when they found the German guns way better they would throw there gun down and take the Germans guns all the rounds they could find . Off to fight them with there own gun . Just think about the Germans having this used against them . They would not know if it was the friend or foe ! I love this it’s so good to see the quality come up so far and really bring justice to what was back then . It’s just so hard to beat German engineering ! Just look at how long ago the Luger 9x19 gun and round was made it’s a household name for decades now . Even used in the guns that you were talking about . So being called Machine Pistol 38&40 both 9 mm parabelum . That words meaning is if you want peace prepare for war ! Arm yourself to the teeth no one will want anything to do with you ! Bringing you peace ! Great video !
The MP40 was the first mass-produced second generation submachine gun, making use of stamped sheet metal and polymer (a thermosetting phenol/formaldehyde resin patented under the trademark “Bakelite”).
The MP38, which is functionally identical, used an expensive machined receiver made from a billet of forged steel. This made for an expensive and time consuming manufacturing process, which was a major impediment to mass production.
Ok, history lesson over😂
I realize the market probably doesn't exist, but I'd be interested in a good P-38 clone. I'd have a lot of reservations about shooting a real one, and the main reason I'd own one is to be able to shoot it.
Just buy a P1, they were made post war for years. They look exactly like a P38, except have aluminum frames.
@Cletus the Slack Jawed Yokel I knew about P-1s but didn't think they were so common. Thanks for the advice.
I agree $4k is a lot for your average firearm. However considering the R&D and just the machine work on that firearm and it's not hard to see why they cost what they do...
Why aren’t they producing them in Germany and importing them into the US like they did with the PTR-44? That was a rifle, this is a pistol (so no 922r bullshit).
Would’ve made these even more authentic if they came from the country they were originally from.
I have to say as a WW2 GI fanboy/reenactor I would consider shelling out that kind of dough for a M3 grease gun copy. It to had a slow rate of fire and would be imitated ok by a semi auto copy.
A lower price in the future is highly doubtful, this would undermine the limited run and the very high price only a few can afford. They should have held back until fully running made a small special edition for collectors and then sold boatloads at a cheaper price to all of us clamoring for these.
I'm about halfway through this video and I already know this gun is going to be outrageously expensive
Something like this should be used by police. Using M-4s with 5.56 is too much. I remember watching one video of the Los Angeles PD shooting some crazy drifter in a department store. They took him down with an M-4 but the bullets went through him and killed a lady hiding in a dressing room. A classic case of over penetration!
Very cool but im poor, so I bought the GSG MP40, I believe I paid 540ish. That was about a year ago now.
Just wait for the NFA to be repealed (soon) and you can start making 1:1 replicas, complete with fun switch.
I hope they made sure full auto MP38 or MP40 parts(unregulated federally) won't drop into that receiver and function, if they will that's an illegal machine gun even in that configuration since it would be considered a full auto receiver(basically the same as semi auto parts in an M16 lower, still a machine gun legally speaking).
lol @ that price.
This is for the people that already have everything and aren't broke yet.
That's a cool gun and can understand the cost but, for that price, I would have to go with a new JP PSC-5 instead.