He Needs To Be REMOVED From The Church IMMEDIATELY… (Here’s What Happened)
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- Опубликовано: 23 апр 2024
- He Needs To Be REMOVED From The Church IMMEDIATELY… (Here’s What Happened)
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Many Christians say that we shouldn’t judge others.
This is one of the greatest theological misunderstandings that I come across. They often quote ” Judge, not, that you be not judged.” (Matthew 7:1). Yet, they neglect to quote the following verses, which tell us exactly how we are to judge, thus completely taking the verse out of context. There are also a number of other verses about judging, those who profess to be Christians, but are living in a way that is antithetical to biblical Christianity.
Below is a video that I did a little while back, which teaches:
- That we are commanded to judge these people
- Why we are to judge these people
- How we are to judge these people
Hopefully this helps to give people a better understanding on the matter.
ruclips.net/video/u2aRyF6UaWk/видео.html
Ps. Do you actually realise that you are judging me for judging?
I thought you said we can’t judge??? Now your judging me???
Do you see the irony…?
Check out the video link above to understand what the Bible says on the matter 🙂
Would you rather hear God bless you 1kx or Jesus forgives you 1kx? If they are either Judases or lost sheep, they'll hear God bless you towards others and hear Jesus forgives you and that will guide them towards repentance or permanent loss.
Agree, we are to discern those things around us according to God’s WORD., I.e, teaching/warning brothers in Christ of their actions according to Gods Word, Church discipline and/or leading people to Christ! YES, we do judge but we do not condemn the soul. Only God knows the heart of heart and He alone sends people to hell because they chose that path. By living to God’s Word we can lead people Christ, help brothers in Christ grow and help lead apostates in the church to Christ. I thought this was an excellent video!!!!!!!
You are justified by grace through faith period not by anything you do. Give up striving and just believe. Do not listen to enept theological wannabes
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It has been my experience that, ni-universally, no one who has judged me has ever judged me correctly.
I used to never believe it was right to judge because judging unrighteously was the only reference point I had for judgement. Now I know better, but I wonder if a lot of other people have the same experience I have.
This is hard one what should I do where can I go . What if a partner is pushing pressuring you to do it unmarried I don’t know what to do where to go I feel trauma bonded and no proper Christian support around
I would love to get married the way health is it doesn’t seem possible.
AMEN. 1 Corinthians 15:33 "Do not be deceived: "Bad company ruins good morals ".
Agreed. Unfortunately, we live in an age when countless millions have absolutely no idea that they are living in sinful lifestyles. So when they finally become active in a church community they think that the church is hateful if they ask them to repent and reform.
We live in an age of moral and ethical cowards, both outside and within churches.
It's a sad time for us all.
Hope you're having a good week.
I Have a sister-in-law who is living in this way and I don't know how to bring this up in a loving way. She just got baptized in the church. Please pray that I will find the words to say to her.
The Bible says that if we don’t know what to say then we ask the Holy Spirit and He will give us the word. I’ve had to pray for this many times and Jesus has always helped me through the Holy Spirit. 🙏🙏🙏. I’m praying for you ♥️
I just spoke to our daughter as well. It was easy for me because I told her me and her dad was young and didn’t know we were fornicating until the Holy Spirit spoke it to me at 19years old. He said we must marry. It’s going on 37years now. We married a year after I graduated high school. Our daughter waited 5 years with her guy. Then told me. I said baby Dad and I told you both about waiting and the honor of God it would bring on you both. I said I’m not judging you two. But I must tell you the truth. So we had the conversation. Be patient the Holy Spirit will guide you when the time is right. I spoke very lovely to our daughter about sex. She waited from high school to college. Right now I’m praying God will open their eyes regarding fornication and make things right in the eyes of God! Great message young man!
you know what to say!your scared of correcting her!THE WOUNDS OF A TRUE FRIEND ARE PAINFUL BUT GENUINE
You could always just try minding your own business??
@@perardua3552 then she will be responsible for her before God and forbid she dies in sin…😢 neither are good reasons for her to mind her own business!
1 Corinthians 15:33 (KJV) Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
100%
In another translation:
Bad friends corrupt good morals
Many times God warns against sexual sins.
The problem is that is all conservatives ever worry about. Never greed or bigotry, or the treatment of foreigners or the poor. I think it's a control issue.
This is a big eye opener video, thank you Matt! I struggled with so many unGodly relationships in the past, I truly repented them all and gave it to God, and God has truly delivered me from that! But while I was in all my bad relationships, I always felt convicted and guilty, I gave it all to God! I'm not that person anymore, praise God! I truly want to live my life pleasing to God!
Thank you for speaking out on this. We all need to. I noticed at the end that even the birds were strongly vocalizing their agreement! God bless you, Matt.
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Yes Godly discipline within the church by Godly oversight by the eldership has the goal for Godly sorrow over sin which leads to repentance and salvation (deliverance). This is an expression of Jesus love that never compromises the truth of His Word. Great reminder and challenge to church leadership.
Amen. Amen. Amen. God bless you brother, God bless you all here.
My friend, if you know this person, have a quiet word.
If you don't feel confident to or get a negative response, go and speak privately with your Church leader.
If your leader doesn't take action, get two or three witnesses and confront the issue head on.
God will bless you if you do the right thing.
Yes this is the best way!✝️🙏❤️
Yes. And it's also possible that the accusor has come to a wrong conclusion. It's wise to listen to all sides in a matter before jumping to a conclusion. This man/couple might be in a committed relationship.
@robertcain3426 I agree. It's prob wisest to speak to church leader privately first.
But someone feels so self righteous they’ve decided to post it on RUclips? I was very sad listening to this , I’m guessing they baptise babies there - need to separate from what’s of God and what’s of Man !
People don't realize that fornication and adultery are also on the Biblical lists of sexual immorality just as often as homosexuality. Just because they are more common and acceptable in the world than the other, doesn't make it less a work of the flesh or sinful. If a person living in a sinful and unrepentant lifestyle isn't convicted by the Holy Spirit, one wonders what is being preached from the pulpit!
True. But we don't know if fornication is applicable in this case. He/they might be in a committed relationship.
@@robertcain3426Then get married. That’s the Bible way.
@@Elaiyel What is marriage, if it isn't a committed relationship?
@@robertcain3426 So why not get married? It’s God ordained. If you’re not a born again believer, you won’t understand why believers are required not to have sex outside of heterosexual marriage.
@@Elaiyel What is marriage? It is a committed relationship. If they are in a declared, committed relationship, it is a marriage.
I have an issue with this as our modern world has no resemblance to the Biblical model. Nowhere in the Bible is it said that marriage involves a contract with the government. I would suggest that if 2 people swear a commitment to each other, and to God, and they operate as a married couple, and are Christians, I would say that they are not doing anything immoral. If they decided to separate then the same rules of marriage and divorce apply to them.
Well said
It still comes under fornication
Sex should only take place inside marriage
Anything other then that is compromising with the world
Amen. Truth there. It can be hard but only in approaching this Biblically can we truly demonstrate the love of Christ.
Amen, I agree
I agree with you whole-heartedly. BUT "shunning" is a hallmark of cults - such as Jehovah's Witnesses. Many churches wish to avoid being seen as a "cult" - so avoid confronting some issues. Also in the early church; the Christian community was tight-knit. For example in Corinth, there was only one Church - fellowshipping in many different homes, perhaps - but there would have been open communication between the various fellowships metting in different homes. If a person was disciplined for a specific sin, this would have been known through the whole Christian community in the city. Today, we have many different church denominations: if some one is disciplined in the way you suggest, he/she can easily move on to another church in the city/town. Thus this form of church discipline is unlikely to be as effective in today's church as it was in the early church. Of course, the ultimate goal of all such discipline is to bring a person to repentance and restoration in the faith...... as well as be a demonstration to others of the spiritual consequences of continuing to "live in sin".
As someone who has ministered in Congo over many years. I know that people can be "married" according to the tribal custom and traditions, without being legally "married". Legal "marriage" in Congo occurs in the town/city council offices in the presence of the Mayor (or his delegate). Christians who have been married according to tribal custom are considered to be "married" by the Church, even though they are not "married" legally. IN Australian churches, we do not have this distinction - though we do have people who live in "de-facto" marriage relationships recognised by the government.
Well it is so simple. If there is not conviction of living a life of sin, THERE IS NO CONVICTOR. This person should never been in staff or leadership. They need to repent and get saved and get their heart right with the Lord.
What spirit leads him to Church?
Thank you. Gospel truth there.
Absolutely. It's so difficult to find a church willing to stand on God's principles.
You are right. There are young people and children who could be thinking that this is ok. Following God is a serious commitment. If you love God you will want to do what is right as you become aware of His ways.
I like that phrase "Following God is a serious commitment".
These people if as a Christian. Truly saved they would feel deep conviction of these sins.
ARE THEY COMFORTABLE...? My girlfriend and I were like this,living in sin for many years...but the Holy Spirit convicted us, and we moved apart, stopped fornicating, until we went through marital counseling and classes and were married in the church...sometimes you have to let the Holy Spirit do His work. It’s VERY HARD to stop living this type of lifestyle when you’ve grown to LOVE the person... Matt, please be careful with this kind of video... I don’t want to see you get slammed in the comments... I think you need to pray for them, and give them a gentle talking to, or let the pastor deal with it. You don’t want to drive away good people, who have been practicing Christians...Who knows what their testimony will be in a few years... zI became an usher and my wife helps in teaching 2nd graders at church:.. We’ve been molded by the HS into servants of the Lord...
Jon, I totally agree with you. Being kept from being in leadership position is the proper way, however Matt has taken it upon himself to play Holy Spirit and what he is doing may possibly end up winning a whole family of souls into Satan’s camp. My thinking is this……With the backing of all of these Comments, Matt will be puffed up enough to charge ahead of God. It will throw this family toward satan, but God will have the Last Word and ultimately need to chastise Matt for his actions . Will Matt then repent for what he has done not only to this family, but to his home church AND for steering the entire internet world of Christians who are following his LEAD ? Sadly, Matt has stepped off the righteous path. ALWAYS allow the Holy Spirit to guide. ALWAYS.❤️
@@carolcole570 It seems like he is just following Paul's pattern in the Corinthian church. How should this problem be faced with people in the church?
@@johnsmit5999 I have always been taught that once we follow the scriptural procedures, we are to be sure that the person is not in a position of leadership. But, not to toss the person from the church, per se, since he HAS been reprimanded, but then it is up to the Holy Spirit to do His convicting the person, in order to keep him “ in the proper environment “ while allowing the Holy Spirit TO work. Take him FROM the environment TOTALLY , and most likely he will be lost for eternity. “ A sin is a sin is a sin. So, AS we are ALL sinners, our churches will be empty, if we pick and choose WHICH sins we feel GOD deems as THE WORST “. Hope I explained this right, because explaining is not my forte, John.❤️
A committed relationship IS marriage. Cheers
@@robertcain3426 UNTIL one of them dies, and the partner is not allowed to receive their Social Security. Until one partner gets a yen to leave his responsibilities of child support, house payments, all their debts behind as they abandon the partner they had been SO committed to . No LAWS will step in to protect the unmarried partner . Until the partner chooses to walk away with their life savings with no protection through the law . Robert, your foolish statement shows what a selfish person you are. And marriage is a Covenant, not just a commitment. Typically young folks still wet behind their ears will spew forth like you. But, you are an old geezer speaking such garbage. Shame on you.
Spot on Matthew! Thank you!
Agree…. We are seeing the Church of Laodicea
There’s a simple solution. You have a church, and a licensed preacher, so they should get married. Or leave the church.
Do you know when the Lord has joined a man and his wife together? If not, how can you accuse them of not being married?
Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.
@@EasChristianity. So tell us oh wise one! When has God joined them together!
@@johndisalvo6283 I don't know when the Lord decides to unite a man with his wife. Neither will I assume when.
@@EasChristianity. You are the one quoting “ don’t separate what God has joined together “ , and yet you ASSUME that God already has joined them together!!!!! And then you can’t even tell me when a man and woman are joined together!!!!!! You feel OK??
@@EasChristianity Excuses, excuses. They need to marry or leave the church. Their lifestyle can lead others, including the youth down a bad path.
Claiming "God is okay with it." Is a very dangerous road.
If the church loves them, it will give them the choice to make that commitment with God, or leave. God's love is tough, not soft. He will forgive, and He wants what is best for us, but we have to move to correct ourselves and accept what is best for us.
I've struggled with sexual sin for a long time. I used to be unrepentant of it, to not see it as a big deal. I simply wasn't saved. I wasn't convicted. Now, I still do struggle with this sin, but when I fall, I confess it to God, I confess it to at least one brother in Christ, and I repent. I hate the sin. That was the issue before. I didn't hate the sin.
Preach it brother! You have nailed it !
Your on point Matt
Problem is most have compromised. The leaders have sin in their lives and the congregations do to. These are the churches in revelation that Chist was talking to. Christ has told them all to repent. False doctrine has been drilled into their heads and they are blind because they are biblically illiterate. They have trusted men for their salvation instead of Christ and believe that they can approach God just however they want to. And they will end up like Aaron's sons.
EVERYONE has sin in their lives.
We all have sins, BUT... are we of a repentant attitude is the question!
I know we all have our own sins to repent for. I should have clarified that. It seems people tend to gravitate toward a doctrine they are comfortable with. Aaron's sons were instructed on how they had to approach God, but they chose to do it their own way. Same with people who ignore the sin in their lives. Trying to be comfortable. The Holy Spirit warns us and let's us know to seek God but we normally do the exact opposite and double down.
Someone who is truly repentant does not make a practise of sinning, there is a difference with struggling or living in sin, I left my boyfriend who was the love of my life, after being born again, I lost everything, my relationship, my old friends, my popularity, my entire life was in shambles, but I went back to my first love Jesus Christ that’s all I need, it’s worth more then anything in the world, and we can overcome, God will not allow us to be tempted beyond what we can bear, but we have a choice to make, there are no excuses, Jesus said “you will recognise them by their fruit” end of story. God bless
Thank you my brother in Christ I needed to here this ❤
Very well said. Thank you
I can't thank you enough for bringing up this topic, Matt. Couldn't this be one source of major problems in societies ?! The loose standards at church has put me into a jaw dropping state for a long time. How can they keep operating as if everybody is blind physically and spiritually?! This is something I have wondered but there is no one to turn to to ask and yet to get the answer. The society has become so skeptical with this up to a point they would laugh at me if I asked this. It is no laughing matter especially with the growing scandal inside the churches themselves. I truly need some enlightenment to get an answer for this circumstances. Again, thank you so much and God bless you abundantly 🙏🏻🎉
This is clear from God’s character, found precisely in Gods word, and is soiling of the fellowship. Clearly.
Hi! My church does church discipline how the Bible tells the church to,. It is done with great sadness and is not done swiftly. My ex-husband and I share the same house. I am his caregiver. He is disabled because of his heart conditions he was born with. He is 55 and we learned about these issues after he was in a car accident that brought it to light. We get along very well. There is nothing sexual just me caring for him . our church knows the situation . I have always been up front and told them if they had any questions I will answer them truthfully. We don't advertise or say that our church promotes this. We haven't been asked about it by others.
I do like to hear you explain things that are often confusing or ignored in the Christian community.
So MANY of you DON'T have a relationship with Jesus. Father gave me a waking vision of in the clouds, HE let me see how FEW of you have a relationship with Jesus. ALL were welcome but FEW showed up.
Totally 💯 well said 👏
I’m glad that you enjoyed the video. Thank you for watching.
You might be interested in another video that I did this week (on my other channel) called:
Ten Things I Was NEVER Told As a NEW Christian... (But Wish I Was)
ruclips.net/video/1pGBAKDTgXc/видео.htmlsi=jNgR9QdGPP6Y9aC4
Agreed! A unrepentant church member needs to be approached by the elders and helped to repent or removed from the church. Because it’s an example to the church that it is ok to continue to sin without repentance!
This seems to be one of the most overlooked sinful lifestyles in a normative church that tries to be biblical. But because the government deems two people living together as common law marriage these couples then try and force the church to accept it. If the couple is regularly giving money, more often than not, the leaders will overlook it and push for a marriage. If the couple refuses, these same leaders will still overlook it and just agree with the state. The one important matter these leaders are eliminating is the doctrine of repentance. If leaders do this they have compromised a long time ago. This and other issues in the church do not happen in a vacuum. No repentance, no turning from a practice of sin to a practice of righteousness (although not perfection), and no discipline, then there is no biblical new testament church.
I just went through your ENTIRE video library and you mention “love” exactly twice. It’s the GREATEST Commandment.
Is the “love” only for your Patreons?
Silly comment.
You obviously haven’t watched many of the videos!
And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. (2 Thessalonians 3:14)
Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. (2 Thessalonians 3:15)
The pastor needs to pull them aside and speak with them
Excellent message! I have a question: years ago, we had a Bible study that a couple attended. They were both professing Christians, but they were living in sin together. One of the Bible study attendees said she was offended that they were attending, and she quit the group and took a few members with her. The ironic part is that the backslidden woman was a member in good standing at the offended woman's church. The offended woman wasn't concerned about that at all. The backslidden couple were not in positions of authority at all. They were just attendees. Anyway, later on, the man in that group fell under conviction, ended the relationship, and came back to Christ. Did we do the wrong thing in letting them attend the Bible studies?
Yes.
That the video I was waiting to hear Great video
There are always consequences to sin. Our Father in Heaven, in the name of your Son, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, lead your people. So Be it.
This is the type of truth that all of us need. Call me out when I am outside of the Will of God. Admonish me so that my choice to be obedient to me Word is clear. This is one of the duties of the Church.
I agree with you on this. Do we trust what God says or the current public opinion? Although I'd give them a chance to repent first. Now if an unbeliever visits that's different, but if they call themselves a Christian, they must not live in obvious, persistent rebellion of God's commandments.
Do this couple consider themselves “married”. Ie they are in a committed relationship devoted to each other and came together for the intention of making a family? Do you realise there is no description of a “marriage” ceremony in the Bible at all? There are mentions of a man/woman leaving their parents to become “man and wife” under their own home for the purpose to raise a family and become “man and wife”.
The whole tradition of a marriage ceremony and everything that comes with it I think is very good for society.
But don’t confuse what was Biblically referred to as marriage then is not the same as society’s marriage in the modern day.
Marriage was the public recognition that two young people were devoted and betrothed to one another for the purpose to live with each other and raise a family.
Ceremonies and “certificates” came much much later.
Marriage is good - even necessary. But the thought you’d kick out someone from church for literally living a version of marriage that is the same as would have been typical at the time of Christ worried me.
When would you say the early church considered a relationship in fornication?
@@johnsmit5999fornication is from an uncommitted relationship.
@@johnsmit5999 I understand your point, but would you consider an amish marriage invalid, simply because it isn't certified by the outside world?
@@user-gn6iz7cf6s No, just like I am not sure that Rome certified the wedding that Jesus went to in Cana. There was evidently some wedding ceremony in Jesus' day. Joseph was minded to put away Mary because she was found with child which normally could only happen with fornication.
I think what you are saying is very true, I’ve trawled the Bible looking for marriage ceremonies but there isn’t one , it’s a union between two people I can’t find the words to say how dreadful this sounds- please please someone show me the ceremony?
Good for you! Remove the sinner/ fornication is condemned clearly it is Gods requirement our creator does judge this immorality. instruction is at Colossians 3:5
If you kicked everyone out of your church for sinning, your church would be empty. I'm sure if your congregation confronted them with your concerns, they'd leave on their own.
It’s not about everyone who sins. It’s about defiant sin with no intention of repentance, despite knowing it’s a gross sin.
Silly comment.
@@lionoffirerawhas the person actually said they recognise it as a sin and will carry on regardless? Or do they argue they are in a committed marriage in God’s eyes? I understand you would argue their interpretation of marriage perhaps - but that isn’t the same as wilfully and knowingly sinning
This happens in mega churches all the time, no accountability, they walk in on Sunday and enjoy the music and the soft message and feel good about themselves cause they went to church, but they don't get involved and aren't accountable to anyone. probably living in sin, partying etc...they are decieved, they don't realize they are still lost.
A very small presbyterian church I was briefly part of had a demon and drug possessed man repeatedly attacking people and I was the bad guy for insisting that something must be done.
Apparently not wanting satan to terrorize the church isn't "loving"
My first reply is only visible if you sort the comments by newest.
Wow. Those are some massive assertions over a LARGE group of people..did you have a second witness to these sins?
God came for sinners..and everyone will acccount for thERE own sins...Where is the Mercy of God. I HAD LEARN THE CHURCH IS YOUR HEART.....LET HELP EACH OTHER
One of the reasons this is so hard for folks is because it’s completely normal to “shake up” as my grandmother would call it, it todays society. People are going to churches every Sunday living like this and not even know how grievous this sin is 😩
2 Timothy 3-5-7 addresses how to handle these folks as well. It would also lead young and immature believers to think that life style is acceptable.
Luke 6:22 'Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.' Every day, we are to ask for forgiveness for our sins and if we say we are not sinners, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 'All welcome.' Sign displayed outside and announcement made inside many Churches which have had bestowed upon them a reputation for truthfulness. Pray in private and do not be like the hypocrites. Obey Jesus.
The minister should say to them that it is best if they get married that is what is expected just as we make a commitment to christ we make a commitment to our partner so i dont t see an issue if its handled in that way.
they sound married .. act married... kids are in a stable married household... he should find a better church .... commonlaw marriage is a common thing.
So why don’t they just get married?🧐
@@DiscipleofJesus312 maybe because its their business...
@@brojerhwg5206 so why should the church compromise on its standards because of someone else’s business? If you don’t want to follow the rules then don’t take part.
@@DiscipleofJesus312 that is THEIR business... not yours... gossiping about these folks is hypocrisy in action. the video producer and those doing the rah rah go gettem routine are the modern day pharrisees jesus gave stern words about no bueno, senor.. hint ... mind your own business . Who died and made you god?... try forgiveness and love... and stop judging others about things you have no interest in.
Unbelievable shame on this church for not pointing this out to them. They will be held accountable for this as people who are supposed to be delivering God’s word.
I have a friend who left his church over a member named Mary. She was single and always found her a little odd but couldn't put his finger on what. He found out she was a dude and asked the pastor what the story really was. He got the answer the pastor wanted to give and wasn't at all satisfied with it. Ultimately he left. This was long ago so I guess they were ahead of the game.
“Pastor Tim!! Marks wearing a DRESS!! Wanna explain??!!”
“Pastor Dave? We have a problem.. Mary is Mark. Wanna preach on that?”
Brother in Christ
Sounds to myself you know exactly how to resolve this issue of willful immorality. So go seek out the church elders for spiritual support while Rebuking these indeviduals involved via removing these people from the fellowship church body immediately
Lay society at large has embraced tolerance to an absurd level. It is an act of mercy to call out the wrong done by the wrongdoer, given what is likely to befall them if they don’t change their ways
God told me in a dream; “there’s no light left in the church”
I think I know the reason why so many churches seem to be soft on this issue and many others. Church attendance is down and when someone or even a family starts attending , the congregation is thrilled. Their church actually has people who want to be active and participate with them and if they (the minister or any of its members) say anything to upset these new attendees, their numbers are drastically reduced, instead of upholding what is right. They seem to cave in and just want new people to be there. I agree that something needs to be said about the new couple living together and not married, but prayer and timing needs to be in the forefront.
The problem here is that this is a person who has been in church for many years, and professes to be a Christian.
@@lionoffireraw Well that does present a different problem and I can see why you are extremely concerned. I will keep this family in my prayers, asking the Good Lord to intervene and to have them do what is right in the sight of God. May the Good Lord bless you and keep you.
@@lionoffireraw but how can it be that only NOW the elders removed him from his serving activities? If it is the second child and this person was in the church for so many years?
The Bible tells us how to approach this. I can’t remember where the scripture is but it says one person, a man (pastor) in this case needs to approach him privately and confront him about his sin in love, not condemnation or judgement. If that is ineffective, then two or three (pastor, elders, deacons, etc) need to approach in private to encourage him to turn from this sin. Explaining what the Bible says. Always in love and never judgement. If this is ineffective or he refuses to change his ways then it is to ask him to take sometime outside the church and pray about it. If he remains unrepentant then he may not be saved at all. Pray the Holy Spirit intervenes and convicts him or even brings him to real salvation if he’s not repentant.
2 Timothy 1-8 this are exactly the days fortold by the Apostle Paul if the Holy Spirit can not wake this people up i don’t know what or who will .
What days did Paul foretell??
@@perardua3552 Open the Bible to 2nd Timothy and read verses 1 thru 8 this are the last days .
@@user-ch2gj9nl8nno disrespect, but he said that 2000 years ago. It wasn’t a prophesy. He was referring to his own time.😊
If my partner and I are seperated. Are we still able to live in the same house but different rooms? 1 Corinthians chapter 5 v 5-8.
Should they be taken out of church leadership? Yes. Should they be removed from the church? No. Jesus didn't only accompany pure hearted people. He accompanied sinners, because he knew they needed healing. If we knew everyones sins that they werent repenting for, we would have next to no one able to come to church. Dont be like the pharisees!
1 Corinthians 5 speaks about this.
And there’s a difference between someone who desires to repent when they sin, and someone who doesn’t even care about repenting.
And so, there was a great crowd around the building, they knew Jesus was there and they were lined out the door and peaking in the windows.
A group of people brought their friend who could not walk to ask Jesus for healing.
Seeing that they couldn’t get in the door, nor thru a window, they proposed taking him in to Jesus thru the roof.
They carried the man to the roof and began ripping off the sheathing. Eventually they were able to make a hole big enough to fit the man thru.
They lowered him down gently, his heart raced with anticipation and his friends all watched in awe.
He finally reached the floor and met Jesus eyes. “Heal me, if you will..” the man pleaded.
Jesus looked at the man and said, “Sorry, I can’t help ya buddy. Only the sinless can be healed.” #notmyrule
Terrible comment.
Misses the entire point of the UNREPENTANT professing believer. It’s not about being sinless, but about being repentant in heart.
Violates 1 Cor 5.
Truly people today are biblically illiterate. They want a woke Jesus. Sad.
@@lionoffireraw well before you block my account, which I know you will because you can’t handle dissenting opinions, I’ll leave you with this:
“Facebook sent me an email saying that my account is under review because my previous video violated the community guidelines.
It’s crazy what they try to sensor. So if my account gets deleted, that is the reason why.” Matt
No..it’s not censorship.
“It is important for Communities to remain a safe space for people to connect. Communities are proactively monitored for hate speech and calls for violence using a combination of the latest technology and human review. If there is a Community found like this, it is taken down and if necessary, the authorities are alerted.
Posts that violate Community Standards on things like hate speech are removed and we remove any groups that consistently violate those standards. “
@@lionoffireraw also wrong. He entered the room in sin. Jesus told him to “Take heart your sins are forgiven.” Jesus then goes on to explain He has authority to forgive sin. And that it is easier to forgive sins than to heal. Meaning, it’s easier for Me to forgive him than to change his conditions. He saw the faith of the man’s FRIENDS (that He could heal) and the man was healed. The scripture makes NO REFERENCE to the condition of the man’s heart. It does not mention repentance. He did not go there seeking forgiveness. No one in the room mentioned sins or forgiveness. It was Jesus who knew his heart. No one expected Jesus to say anything about sin..They expected a healing..And yet, Jesus gave it to him. Because of His friends faith, and to prove He could do it. Jesus heals and forgives WHO He chooses and WHY He chooses. We are not saved thru repentance. He healed the man to prove to the Pharisees that He had authority to forgive sins. Not because the man repented. He forgave the sin and warned the man about sin.
“Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?” On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.” In other words, forgiveness before repentance/contrition. It is more important for you all to be forgiving than it is for people to show acts of contrition.
Jesus paid the price for sins I am yet to commit..I’m forgiven before I even do it. My repentance did not pay for my sins. I did not earn forgiveness by repenting. I am led to repentance by Jesus’ hesed-what He did on the cross..Because of what He did for me. Not because of what I did to Him, man, or myself. I’m not repentant because I chose Him. I’m repentant because He chose ME.
Is the woman in this situation also a regular attender? I am old enough to remember when a couple who lived together as husband and wife were not allowed to be married in the church with a big elaborate ceremony, white wedding gown, and all the privileges expected by a couple who followed the rules.
Secular marriage is not Biblical. When two individuals become one flesh through sex, that's marriage in the Bible. Its why virginity was valued in antiquity Judaism, and the man had either the choice to marry the woman or pay the father a massive fine, a concept that is none-existent in "modern Christians" who are almost all adulterers by the time they "marry" by the secular standard. To even marry a woman, who's past husband is alive is adultery, save very few exceptions.
If the couple in question is loyal to one another, and they are repentant Christians within the Biblical standard, not under phony secular marriage, then there isn't a problem. The atheistic state has absolutely no bearing on Christian marriage, it is insane I even have to say this.
Wives and Husbands
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Eph 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
Excellent comment! Well said.
The Church does not compromise their soul we all have choice and only the individual can compromise themselves. Everyone who enters the Church is a sinner we all come compromised , it's not a club of judgement or that all of us should be judged. The only judge is Jesus Christ who warns us against self righteousness.
Many Christians say that we shouldn’t judge others.
This is one of the greatest theological misunderstandings that I come across. They often quote ” Judge, not, that you be not judged.” (Matthew 7:1). Yet, they neglect to quote the following verses, which tell us exactly how we are to judge, thus completely taking the verse out of context. There are also a number of other verses about judging, those who profess to be Christians, but are living in a way that is antithetical to biblical Christianity.
Below is a video that I did a little while back, which teaches:
- That we are commanded to judge these people
- Why we are to judge these people
- How we are to judge these people
Hopefully this helps to give people a better understanding on the matter.
ruclips.net/video/u2aRyF6UaWk/видео.html
Ps. Do you actually realise that you are judging me for judging?
I thought you said we can’t judge??? Now your judging me???
Do you see the irony…?
Check out the video link above to understand what the Bible says on the matter 🙂
You can't continually live in sin and call yourself a born again Christian It's just impossible Favourite verse of so called Christian is Do not judge which is the most misinterpreted and out of context
For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Yes, we should use caution, but Paul certainly called out sexual immorality and even said "eject the sinner from your assembly so you can be a new lump of dough (unleavened, no sinful practice). "A little leaven, leavens the whole lump" meaning that if you let sin go as "ok", it will corrupt the community. Re: sexual immorality, Paul said not to even socialize (fellowship) with a person who claims to belong to Jesus, but engages in sexual immorality. It's unrepentant and they need to be treated as an UNbeliever meaning to call them to repentance. "What fellowship does light have with darkness?"
@@danielbu2611 1 Corinthians 5:7 (KJV) Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
@@matthewronson5218 Yep, that's the one.
@@danielbu2611 If one did not witness the act of sexual immorality, how can they accuse someone? Truly, I tell you, the verse means the accuser shall be scrutinized that severely.
@@EasChristianity In both cases here (the unmarried couple and the man in 1 Corinthians), the sin was not a secret. It was known. Of course, if it was not known and a brother suspected and inquired, that is not an accusation, but loving inquiry. If sin is occurring and the brother lies about it, they will be accountable to God, but in that case one would seriously have to question themselves about their commitment to repentance.
Which of the ten commandments did this man break and why do you feel that judgement is yours to mete out for anyone?
I wouldn't want to have anything to do with or your hypocritical church if they back you.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, you must be a saint, or so you think.
May God bless and forgive you.
There are more than 10 commandments and we read in Scripture that we are to flee from all sexual immorality.
If individual members of your church are going to call out the behaviors and “sins” of other members of your church, perhaps you should consider the words in James 2: 12-13….
“Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, because judgement without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.”
Seems to me that the best course of action is to mind thy own business.
Many Christians say that we shouldn’t judge others.
This is one of the greatest theological misunderstandings that I come across. They often quote ” Judge, not, that you be not judged.” (Matthew 7:1). Yet, they neglect to quote the following verses, which tell us exactly how we are to judge, thus completely taking the verse out of context. There are also a number of other verses about judging, those who profess to be Christians, but are living in a way that is antithetical to biblical Christianity.
Below is a video that I did a little while back, which teaches:
- That we are commanded to judge these people
- Why we are to judge these people
- How we are to judge these people
Hopefully this helps to give people a better understanding on the matter.
ruclips.net/video/u2aRyF6UaWk/видео.html
Vengeance belongs to God so if they dont change we'll then God will punish them one way or another they serving the enemy confront them then pray for them
My old church had a person serving in ministry who has recently become a transgender. So they removed the person from ministry. They changed the disabled toilet to a gender neutral one. And the person continues in the church, partakes from the Lords table and provides no biblical counsel in love. The sane church was taught the Bible is no longer the authority, So the cultures tolerance thinking prevails. I pray my family will flee this false church.
This video literally has nothing to do with transgenders.😮
That’s very sad to hear!
This is happening in every church but did Jesus kick Judus out? He continued His Communing and Intercession for all who would be found straying! Will you just do the same?
(Don’t tell him Joseph and Mary were unwed when the Lord chose Mary to bear his Son..)
That’s not a church situation.
1 Cor 5 addresses this issue in the video.
@@lionoffirerawgot questions says this: “In Paul’s case, in his apostolic authority (something we don’t have), he commanded an offender to be handed over to Satan. While we don’t have that authority, we can certainly still hold each other accountable, knowing the seriousness of immorality and sin.”
Still wanna hand him over to Satan? Because you don’t have that authority..😊
What is marriage? You say partner, which sounds like a marriage to me. Is he/are they in a committed relationship? And if it wasn't his partner, there would certainly be a problem.
I very much agree with this procedure but I wonder how many churches have actually practiced this? Pastors want to keep the income coming and if they dismiss believers for these sins, they might have to close. The problem I see is that leadership doesn't know what is going on in believer's lives to even call them out in this way.
They're supposed to be booted.
Jesus said we’re forgiven and sin no more. It is definitely a bad example for anyone else in the church. We have to be Very Careful about what kind of an example we’re providing our children. 🙏🙏🙏🇺🇸
Agree 100%. It's why I left churches altogether. If you're not going to follow the Word, and rather be a hypoocrit, It's no use being yoked to you. The pastor of the last church I attended, his daughter had an out of wedlock child at 16. He put it to a vote on whether he should be replaced, and everyone voted to keep him, and his daughter's situation and baby. If a man can't control his own family, he can't lead a larger flock. How confusing and " uncomfortable" for new believers to meet the unmarried and pregnant daughter of the pastor. Ridiculous. Money is probably involved. Big givers will cause most churches to overlook a host of sins.
Even good parents can't control their children, because the children have freedom of choice. The very reason our Savior doesn't force us to not sin. Do you know that pastors' families are a bigger target by our enemy?
I in no ways condone the behavior of anyone having sex outside of a marriage. But, once a child is conceived, that innocent child now becomes priority. And even our own Lord Jesus Christ has a purpose for that child and both parents in the child's life is best. Or, next best, having extended family in the child's life.
I would continue to strongly encourage this couple in the video to make things official. But we also have to remember that how marriage ceremonies look are cultural. The only problem I really have with the couple in the video is the admission of the female not being his wife. So, he is admitting he is not committed. We do have common law spouse laws in this(US of A) country. If they file their income taxes together, then are considered married.
I would question why he doesn't want to "make the commitment" and then go from there. Bottom line, he does need to make the commitment in some way, shape or form. Finding out why the lack of commitment addresses root issues. The shacking up is just symptoms of a deeper problem. He should not be in leadership or teaching position.
We also have to address the "Christian pastors" sticking their equipment(to put it discreetly) where ever they like. I would take a couple playing house over a grown man manipulating a person (because it's not just females) half their age or more, any day.
In essence, I know what you're trying to say is we only righteously judge others if they are living an unGodly lifestyle and show them the Godly way!
Very difficult to put someone out of the church though. I mean, do you have bouncers on the door to stop them coming to Sunday worship. The church building is technically private property not public, so you could enforce some trespass. But still, how do you physically stop someone from attending even when they won't repent?
Here's the deal. If your church excerises discipline properly yes, they can be barred. And if they are they have no reason to gate crash, why would they? If I'm not welcome somewhere I won't go. Even demons have to be invited. I personally know someone that fell out with their church they never went back.
Quick question: do you follow the 10 commandments? All of them? Do you keep the Sabbath?
Just a few truths…
The Bible does state that the sabbath was instituted for national Israel (Exodus 31:12-18)
(And there was no keeping of the sabbath prior to the exodus).
Moses' indication to Israel in Deuteronomy 5:15 that God had commanded observance of the seventh-day Sabbath as a memorial of Israel being delivered from its prior slavery in Egypt would seem to indicate that it had not been observed prior to that time.
Of the 10 commandments, nine of them are moral laws with the sabbath being a ceremonial law.
Even if we are to keep the Sabbath holy, We still do this today because every day is made holy in Christ. I also believe that we rest on the sabbath because our sabbath rest is found in Christ (Heb ch 7)
Colossians 2:16 talks about not having to keep days or Sabbath‘s. Some will say that that speaks about certain Sabbaths, but the fact that it mentions other days and ceremonies as well makes it clear that it is talking about the sabbath.
Romans 14 also says that some choose to keep one day more holy than others, and that they are allowed to, but we should make no distinction between days and that he hopes those that do keep certain days holy will receive their full freedom in Christ by recognising that all days are the same.
Also at the council of Jerusalem we see this was a place where it was discussed which old Testament laws the Christians would have to uphold. The sabbath is conspicuously absent in this very important council.
The sabbath is the only commandment in the new Testament which is never mentioned.
Many people say that the apostles worshipped on the sabbath, but this is not true. The verses they use is where they were actually in the synagogues on the sabbath and it says that this was because they were reasoning with the Jews to persuade them to follow Christ.
There are actually verses which say that the apostles broke bread on the Sunday and collected the offerings on the Sunday. This highlights Sunday worship, although I personally don’t think it matters on which day we do.
The sabbath was a foretaste of the rest that we now have in Christ!
Well, just tell the pastor to bring them both to the altar, and join their hands and have a church blessed wedding. Marriage licenses are a big joke, with the abomination being committed, just join them in a covenantal marriage before God and keep sure they stick to it. Write up a certificate in the church, like the Catholics do, and bind it before God. If they refuse to do that, then kick them out. They might not be able to afford marriage, either. It's a lot of hula-hoops, and certainly they have kids, so it's necessary to bless the family and keep it together. Make a big deal out of it, have a potluck rent horses. Or, just a ceremony like baptism. Whichever they choose, as the authority for marriage comes from God and the two's union, not the State.
I need help
This is a great conversation from a biblical point of you, but if everyone is fooled into thinking the woman is his wife, then everyone in the church will assume they are wonderful Christian couple. 😮
I know of a church that will not allow you to join because they are divorced! A Calvin church!
I agree with you!
God said to marry to have children!
Have you spoke to other members and have a group meeting with the Pastor and if you have deacons or elders!
I am so sorry for you because the church must agree with the laws of God!
God bless you Matt and your loved ones in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ!✝️🙏❤️
God did not say anywhere to marry to have children?
@@perardua3552 Be fruitful and multiply?
😠 People who disagree with this word have a problem with the WORD OF GOD which you CLEARLY stated! God is Holy and expects us to be Holy. Yes, we will sin... but we're talking about UNREPENTED SIN. Not new converts that need to be discipled. Big difference! (Old Testament, they'd be stoned to death outside the camp!) And, if it brings them to a place of repentance and obedience, they will rejoice. It's been my experience that God blesses obedience! God is Good! ❤
New subscriber, could you do a video about Acts 2:36-40
Hopefully, at some point, it’s a topic that I can cover. There is a lot to get through. Welcome to the channel, and I pray that it can continue to bless you.
I’ll post my other channel below, where I do scripted and edited teachings. Check it out if you like 😃
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youtube.com/@lionoffireministries?si=S6CZyBYoAvNE7GxT
I INTETIONALLY COMMITED THIS SIN! MAY GOD DELIVER ME FROM THE DEMONIC WARFARE I INTRODUCED KNOWINGLY..!
Jesus paid for all your sins eternally. You’re okay if you believe in Christ
Lion of Fire, as a Pagan I hope for your own sake and that of those around you that you will one day take into your heart the Bible verses at Matthew 7:3-5.
Many Christians say that we shouldn’t judge others.
This is one of the greatest theological misunderstandings that I come across. They often quote ” Judge, not, that you be not judged.” (Matthew 7:1). Yet, they neglect to quote the following verses, which tell us exactly how we are to judge, thus completely taking the verse out of context. There are also a number of other verses about judging, those who profess to be Christians, but are living in a way that is antithetical to biblical Christianity.
Below is a video that I did a little while back, which teaches:
- That we are commanded to judge these people
- Why we are to judge these people
- How we are to judge these people
Hopefully this helps to give people a better understanding on the matter.
ruclips.net/video/u2aRyF6UaWk/видео.html
Ps. Do you actually realise that you are judging me for judging?
I thought you said we can’t judge??? Now your judging me???
Do you see the irony…?
Check out the video link above to understand what the Bible says on the matter 🙂
@@lionoffireraw If you interpret an invitation to take your own inventory as "judging" you, that's your prerogative. As for the Christian bible, that's your point of reference, not mine.
Morning Matt.
Well Matt, You make it sound so easy. But you are completely correct. It’s sounds harsh for that person but we are here following Jesus and doing our best to live according to the word of the Bible. The Bible clearly shows this situation is wrong. This church involved is actually throwing the word of the Bible out the door and acknowledging to the congregation we don’t follow Gods word in this church let’s just be happy. This church is obviously a seeker friendly church with no conviction for the value of the Christian faith. As this person continues to flaunt his disrespect for Gods teachings, it is definitely time to move on.
I asked my Elders recently about gay people attending the church. Their response was clear, if the are seeking the word of Jesus they are welcome, short term, but if they continue to show no signs of coming to the Lord, and ceasing their lifestyle they definitely could not be a part of the church community.
So Matt you are spot on.
Great message. 🙏🙏❤️
I cannot find any traditional marriage instructions in the Bible , I can find that marriage is the union of two people, to pro create . From what. I understand the woman’ Father gives permission for that union and then they have a marriage celebration, informing all friends and family of the union. I can’t find anything about signing a register, pre nuptials ,or legally binding contracts . Can’t find anything about the bride being dressed in white , £20:000 receptions but worse I can’t find the actual ceremony? I can find parts of the Bible fitting to such a ceremony but no actual ceremony? If this man is not committing adultery and is committed to his wife and children through his committed relationship with her why are you all so uncomfortable with it ? Please examine your own hearts - this couple could be more committed to one another than many who have a bit of paper saying that they are legally married under the law - the law of what ? The law of Australia or the law of God ? If having a party 🎉 would make ya all feel more comfortable, why don’t you pay for it and bless the couple and the couple’s children instead of shaming and blaming! This man appears to be very involved with the church, loves God but perhaps like many is uncomfortable with law that is not of God but man made .
If you could only see just how judgemental you sound, it’s absolutely awful! Living in sin , no he isn’t living in sin if devoted to his partner! I wonder what you’d have to say about King Solomon? Yet you decided to pick out one member of your church who is faithful and devoted to his family but hasn’t got a man made license.
Its not that complicated. Read in Mathew 18:15-17 and here 17
"If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector."
And if you are tempted to a collectivistic interpretation against the word of our Lord, read 2 Corinthian 2:6 saying it is an individual matter.
Don't be so judgmental.
1 Corinthians 5 is probably the best comparison.
@@lionoffireraw The man in 1 Corinthian 5 is the same in the 2 Corinthian 2: rebuked by the majority. Only by the majority, not all, not the minority.
ROOT CAUSE ANALYS: _Cowardly pastor(s)_
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_"But the fearful ... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."_ - JESUS
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Cowardice is nauseating ... and hazardous.
🔥 To hell with fear! 🔥
_"But the fearful ... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."_ - JESUS
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Cowardice is nauseating ... and hazardous.
🔥 To hell with fear! 🔥
Long term prognosis: Not Good because congregations can’t keep their business out of other peoples bedrooms..
1 cor 5:5
Interesting. If it were me I wouldn’t get involved in this guy’s business. Leave it between him and God. I would only get involved if he were a close friend who is living that way.
I have a question, is it ok for Gays, Lesbians, or Transgenders to attend church or only ok if they are willing to repent and get delivered from that lifestyle? There's a church I visit that has a lot of homosexuals and they even do events tailored to them as if to say it's ok to be that way, but God truly condemns homosexuality, and we are still to love the sinner and hate the lifestyle!
If they profess to be Christians but don’t repent, they should not be allowed to attend. If they are unbelievers who are seeking, that’s different!
@@lionoffireraw Thank you, Matt, I was thinking the same thing! So I couldn't agree with you more! Thank you for confirmation!
What do you call marriage? Married by state or married by God?