ha ha ha! Great brit humor, like Glasdale did! quote of translated french wikipedia article on William Glasdale (lord and commander of English army on that siege, no article in english, strange): "During the siege of Orleans (October 1428 - May 1429), then last English commander of the Bastille of Tourelles, he treats, from the top of the bastille, Joan of Arc as "Bitch of the Armagnacs" in answer to the letter that she had sent to the English asking them to leave the siege of Orleans. During the fighting, he falls armed from the walls in the Loire and drowns. Shortly thereafter was taken the Tourelles by the French, led by Joan of Arc." Have a nice day all!
@DiscordChaos I know that. If you dont know what is that "Avatar of Khaine" I play game called "Warhammer 40.000 Dawn of War", the race Eldar have their champion, who is called by the same name. When you summon him, you win because he is really hard to kill, if you lose, you lose because he was your bulk force
la Hire is real, maybe the only one in that campaign who isn't real is Guy Josselyne, the beloving follower of Joan who serves as narrator and leader of the french forces in the last mission
@@scipioafricanus6417 wasn't that Savoy? Which was an imperial and not a French fief. But I'm no expert on the period. - in any case it's clearly a modern map with just the closest thing being labled burgundy. The map even lacks gascony etc, which would have been relevant.
if it was only that: It is pitiful how Spirit of the Law didn't see how bad are the maps in that campaign. You got eyes to compare with real maps? To not put any fortification on the bridge of Orleans while it was probably the best fortified bridge in entire history and because of that, the key of France (French historical article on Wikipedia about that bridge (doesn't exist in English: strange) fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_des_Tourelles ) but puting anyway ships to cross the river when just close to them the bridge is completely clear and empty: strange again!), and not understand that the cities cleaned on Loire were cities blocking the paths of ships to go in Orleans (so it was just part of the siege, taken for that and just before the first attack of the English, and it were again fortified cities made by the French blocking the bridges, not f shallows with brit forts away blocking nothing, I was born and live few km from that localities, in Angers, and i feel totally insulted by that stupidities and erasing of French defensive architectural work which were the best in the world in medieval time (never heard about the "châteaux de la Loire" ? ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teaux_of_the_Loire_Valley ) And he pretends to be Historian teacher here?)) like the reinforcement of Falstolf intercepted few km before to reach his goal, which was to take back Orleans, is f stupidity. And know that according to France, only 3 knights falled at Patay that day, not 100 (you should see French sources instead brit bad faith propaganda still current, when the british governement claims recently that the ring of Joan was English national heritage (shows how bad faith they are, if they don't believe of Joan magic, why ask for that which is obviously outrageously arrogant as Joan ennemies and filthy murderers only?). wikipedia article in French of the battle of Patay: fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataille_de_Patay No Burgundians also in Orleans siege (why a French pretender of the throne would have starve french people 6 months? To lose all credibility like the English did? You know that there were 3000 spontaneous militia following Joan army like the lords, after miraculous St Loup victory (french were fleeing (on decision of Dunois commander of the city and Alençon reinforcements, without consulting or even wake up Joan) the brits geting out that fort and Joan arrived on battlefiled to make them turn back and enter in open gate)? And Joan of Arc advices made always win all battles with crushing victory and with surprise effect with no possibility of knowledge of british position except guess and very surprising english moves like leaving the Tourelles (main fort in stone, a castle on the bridge took to the French, you cant obvioulsy not see in aoe2 shitty map as i already said) not well defended. Again a bad faith brit spiting on God and France, like at that time. It will avail Spirit of the law nothing good! QED PS: I advise you to see that, MUCH MORE well made (more sources, more precise, more acurate, destroy totally aoe2 official campaign): ruclips.net/video/WQZimRmHEuw/видео.html
There are a lot of interesting comments to make here... One point I'd suggest relates to how we categorise different groups at the time. For instance, SotL talks about both kingdoms being 'Catholic', and also talks about 'England' and 'France' as being the factions at war. However, those names are all retroactive. Spirit correctly notes that Joan didn't use a nationalistic symbol: she used a symbol of God. There's been a modern move, going back a century or more, to interpret Joan as a French patriot, but the idea of French patriotism as such would be alien to her. Further, talking about her enemies as just 'England' is a bit misleading: half of France had been allegiant to the 'English' throne for decades or more. There's a sense in which the Hundred Years' War is a French civil war in which one side merely happened to control England as well. However, even that way of putting it is a bit misleading: in the 14th and 15th centuries, politics was not about territory, homeland, or nation - it was about people. That is, the argument was not about whether England should conquer France - it was about whether the rightful king of France is Charles VII Valois or Henry II Lancaster (better known as Henry VI in England). Joan would have been fighting for the Valois claim and for God - not for an abstract notion of France. The 'English' part of France at the time, then, should not necessarily be viewed as under occupation, but rather as French people who had a different view about who the king of France was. Juliet Barker's book 'Conquest: The English Kingdom of France' tries to thread this needle pretty well. Nationalistic sentiments do start to arise near to the end of the Hundred Years' War and Joan plays a role in the birth of a notion of specifically French national identity, but we shouldn't read that too far back. Similarly, I always feel that capital-C Catholicism is a misleading term when applied to the Middle Ages. When we hear 'Catholic' today we think of the Roman Catholic Church in its modern form, as distinct from Protestants. But in the 15th century, the Reformation had not happened yet. The medieval church had not split into Catholics and Protestants yet. Speaking of medieval Christians as 'Catholics' means putting them on one side of a dispute that hadn't happened yet. Joan and priests of her day would have described themselves as 'catholic', and as good Christian men and women, but the Catholic/Protestant division was alien to them. Frankly we don't know which sides any of them might have taken in the Reformation, had they lived that long. Now a few more points... One element that always interested me, in contrast to this campaign and most depictions of Joan, is that according to Joan herself at her trial, she never killed anyone. She was not above occasionally beating someone with the flat of her sword, but as Spirit said, her primary role in combat was to run around waving a banner - more like a regimental mascot than a soldier. It always feels a bit wrong when the game unit depicts Joan with a sword fighting and killing enemy units: something that by her own admission she never did! This might have been for the best - a seventeen year old girl with minimal military training, however courageous, is unlikely to have stacked up that well against veteran soldiers. Spirit emphasised Joan's aggressive approach, and I think that's important. Kelly DeVries' 'Joan of Arc: A Military Leader' analyses Joan as a general or captain, and he suggests that Joan's major strength was that she was, for lack of a better term, a fanatic. French commanders in the 1410s and 20s had adopted an overly careful, methodical approach to warfare, and could be quite casualty-averse - perhaps an understandable move after they were slaughtered at Agincourt! However, Joan believed that God was on her side and therefore she could not lose - so her policy was to always attack, even in the teeth of seemingly-impossible odds. This repeatedly allowed her troops to surprise enemy commanders. Patay is a good example - while Joan herself wasn't there, a rapid, fierce attack allowed a small French force to overwhelm the English, whereas if the French had been more cautious and allowed the English to entrench, the battle might have gone the other way. It's worth also thinking a bit more about the politics here. Why would Charles' advisors, or even Charles himself, be opposed to Joan? The role of Burgundy is very important. In brief, before Joan came along, the Valois strategy was diplomatic: the aim was to flip Burgundy to the Valois side through negotiation and then hit the English with a combined force. From the perspective of the most prominent advocates of this strategy, notably Georges de la Tremoille, Joan was a dangerous wild card. When you're engaging in extremely delicate negotiations to try to woo a recalcitrant third faction, the last thing you need is this fanatic, aggressive, and honestly almost psycho young woman hurling French troops into every single obstacle in her way. So after the Siege of Orleans and Charles' coronation, Tremoille tried very hard to stop Joan from leading an army against Paris, deep within the English Kingdom of France. People like Tremoille often end up the villains when we retell the story of Joan of Arc. Some of that is reasonable - he certainly doesn't seem to have liked her very much, and he fell from favour after some dodgy military shenanigans in the early 1430s - but in hindsight the diplomatic strategy was not fruitless. Joan makes for a better story, but Charles VII successfully flipped Burgundy to his side at the Congress of Arras in 1435, and there's a decent argument to be made that it was this victory, not any of Joan's, that turned the tide and sealed the French victory in the Hundred Years' War. Anyway, nitpicking and writing small essays aside, thank you for the fun video! I enjoyed it and look forward to part 2. :)
I like this. People love to try and back-project and misappropriate history, but things were very different back then and even talking about "the french people" as we understand it today would be a stretch, all having distinct regional languages and cultures that hadn't yet been crushed by Napoleon to try and create a common "french" identity.
Heh, sorry, I was really into Joan of Arc for a few years and read a lot. I think the main takeaway here is that AoE2's Joan of Arc campaign is very much about patriotism, complete with the narrator at the end talking about his commitment to France. This is, for what it's worth, not an unreasonable take: in 1337, you wouldn't find much sense of 'French' or 'English' identity, but by 1453 you would. The Hundred Years' War was one of the causes of the rift between those nations. Notably, for instance, it's in the 15th century that English becomes the dominant noble language in England. Before that, English nobility would mostly be speaking French, or hybrid dialects called Anglo-French or Anglo-Norman. But the Pleading Act of 1362 established that law courts would conduct their business in English, and in the 1430s you find the Chancery Standard developing: that is, the use of English in legal documents, rather than French or Latin. If you're like me, you might have done Geoffrey Chaucer in high school English. He was writing in the late 14th century as well, in the middle of the Hundred Years' War, and he also played a significant role in spreading the idea that English could be a language of literature. It's fair to say that this was also related to the Hundred Years' War, the ongoing struggle with France, and the development of distinct French and English identities. So, at any rate - in Joan's life in the 1420s, there *was* the growth of a notion of France or Frenchness, as opposed to Englishness. Joan herself sometimes put it in terms of expelling the English. (e.g. at her trial she was asked if God hates the English, and she replied "Of the love or hatred God has for the English, I know nothing, but I do know that they will all be thrown out of France, except those who die there.") Even so, a general or universal French identity took much longer to develop, and I think it's important to bear in mind that the Hundred Years' War was primarily a dynastic struggle. The issue at hand was who had a rightful claim to the throne of France, and, well, it gets very complicated and the English claim isn't *that* bad. It's probably best to think of the Hundred Years' War as a stage in the development of distinct French and English national identities. tl;dr AoE2 portrays a rise in French pride and nationalism and attributes this to Joan of Arc, this is reasonable in some ways, but also a simplification. It makes for a good campaign, though!
And for people who wondering why ? ruclips.net/video/YNCkYrI4CP4/видео.html It is a funny video with english subtitles who explain when english kings become french. edit: Might be helpfull for saladin campains.
During the Battle of Patay, there was a brief discussion among cavalry vanguard commanders La Hire, Ambroise de Loré, Jean Poton de Xaintrailles, Arthur de Richemont, to wait for the rest of the forces to catch up, a common procedure, or charge in the face of overwhelming enemy numbers, no doubt influenced by Jeanne's fierce battle tactics they decided to charge which allowed the famous Frankish cavalry charge to work as intended resulting in what is known as the "Reverse Agincourt" - Battle of Patay. The enemy lost most of the longbow troops which would not be replaced for a significant period due to long time it takes to learn its use. Besides that the French would debut field artillery at Battle of Castillon luring the English into its fire for devastating effect finally crushing English ambitions on the Continent. They would be so traumatized by this defeat they would not dare attack France one-one-one again. St Jeanne d'Arc changed the course of history. Maid of Orleans - your troops gain +100 morale boost.
Really appreciate this video. When I was a kid, I played through the Age of Empires campaigns and learned about many of the events depicted before even entering Elementary School. I can't thank my dad enough for introducing the game to me. Now as an adult, I am playing through the campaigns and feeling a completely refreshed urge to learn history. After beating a campaign, its fascinating fleshing out the true events through reading and research. It makes me wish more games like this exist. Rambling over! Thanks again Spirit
"Ze blood on La Hire's sword is almost dryyy" Btw, Mark Twain did extensive research before writing his own version of Joan of Arc. Totally worth the read.
The mission select map is quite awful. Modern borders (while some of eastern modern France was in the HRE), with Burgundy being portrayed as Switzerland and England holding nothing in France.
Was looking for this comment. Just as I was about to give up, thinking "It's most likely all americans, really doubt they'd notice a flaw in european geography" I saw your profile picture, and I knew that if you commented *anything*, it had to be related to that. I was not disappointed :P.
I dunno, in my time traveling endeavors with Furious the Monkey Boy and knowing your history, I wouldn’t be surprised if Walpole didn’t just buy you back to life. I mean, he *does* have the funds to get an obscene amount of lockboxes for those stupidly rare revives.
Somewhat less relevant, but I was watching videos about Byzantine/Roman history, and comparing the city of Constantinople to what was portrayed in the campaings, I was kinda impressed they mostly got the geography right for that one.
This video could not have come at a better time... I have an AP Euro assignment about Joan of Arc and the Hundred Years War, so this REALLY helped me. Thank you so much for your in depth coverage of the topic!
When i played the Loire mission, i used my monks to convert Fastolf just after he taunted the french and used him to fight the english. I like to imagine it as a sort of alternative history scenario in which he was convinced of the Maid's mission and joined the french.
I remember spending hours reading Wikipedia going from name to name and being amazed at how each of the characters in the campaign was mostly a real person that existed. And indeed La Hire was a badass in real life too!!!
side note, if you do some scouting before moving any troops (in 'the Maid of Orleans'), you can actually stumble over some unclaimed transports and dock. even more interesting is that upon discovering them, your instantly given the 'careening' tech, thus doubling your troop space. so its not forgotten, just hidden as an easter egg, of sorts.
YES!!! Dude, I've been hoping you'd continue this series and I'm VERY happy to see the next installment is Joan of Arc! This is my favorite AoC campaign.
I am Spanish, and Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar is my favourite historic character. His life as it is foretold was shrouded with feats and myth. I recommend you to read "Cantar de Mio Cid". Though its reading could be difficult, it is worthful.
The AoE wiki states that he was kinda overplayed in most media. While I dont think he was as moral as Joan of Arc, he still might've been close enough for his rep. Hoping to see any of my favorite history channels cover him properly.
The Wallace campaign is one of the most inaccurate, though that’s more understandable due to it being a series of tutorial missions. Most notably, though, the Scots lost the Battle of Falkirk.
Hey Spirit, love your content! All I could ask for would be one last video to finish off the "Best X Civ" series and I feel like it should be "Best Naval Civ" Best regards, from Denmark
Thank you so much for making this video! I suggested it after the very first video of this series. Although this video is a little late. I needed it about 2.5 years ago for a seminar paper :) still great video, looking forward to part 2
the first set of campaigns were the best. Followed by conquerors. The others are interesting but varies in design, difficulty and some probably best left forgotten (literally) (edit: Unless we're talking about the Definite Edition version).
I'll never forget the first time I played through the siege of Orleans mission in Age of Kings and Joan got converted and I basically never used a hero unit in battle again in the campaigns until the Conquerors made heroes non-convertible. It's a fun piece of alt history fiction though to think, La Pucelle, hero of the English army 11
Well, the concern about George de la Trémoille was about to make peace with Bourgogne (wich was a opponent party in a politic disagree between Armagnac and the Bourguignons, in fact, king Charles VI was crazy and so his uncle (Philippe le Bon, duke of Bourgogne) wanted to rule as a regent). And so make peace was a priority for him, also for the Dauphin Charles. However Jeanne wanted to continue the attack and especially against the city of Paris. Also the commander of the french forces at Orléans was the count Jean de Dunois, the duke of Alençon was just a compagnon as many other (like la Hire (of his real name : Étienne de Vignolles), Gilles de Rais, Xantrailles, etc... for the most knowed)
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Joan of Arc in her 16 managed to unite the French
Me in 16 still trying to beat her campaign without using "Cobra Car"
I feel atacked 😂
"That's a different kind of French maid"
-Spirit of the Law
ha ha ha! Great brit humor, like Glasdale did!
quote of translated french wikipedia article on William Glasdale (lord and commander of English army on that siege, no article in english, strange):
"During the siege of Orleans (October 1428 - May 1429), then last English commander of the Bastille of Tourelles, he treats, from the top of the bastille, Joan of Arc as "Bitch of the Armagnacs" in answer to the letter that she had sent to the English asking them to leave the siege of Orleans.
During the fighting, he falls armed from the walls in the Loire and drowns. Shortly thereafter was taken the Tourelles by the French, led by Joan of Arc."
Have a nice day all!
Can i get one that is both?
A Halberdier impaled La Hire once.
After three agonizing days, the Halberdier succumbed to his injuries.
La Hire wishes to see some Sotl videos
The blood on La Hire's screen is almost dry
*La Hire montages intensify*
ruclips.net/video/toq5angPooI/видео.html
Aoe videos on la hires sub box is almost dry
La Hire is like Avatar of Khaine.
You loose him, you loose everything
@DiscordChaos I know that. If you dont know what is that "Avatar of Khaine" I play game called "Warhammer 40.000 Dawn of War", the race Eldar have their champion, who is called by the same name. When you summon him, you win because he is really hard to kill, if you lose, you lose because he was your bulk force
Hey guys, Spirit of the La Hire
Underrated
I can't unhear it.
😂😂
Nice
God sent you to only post this comment.
Dinosaurs? - Gone
Hotel? - Trivago
La Hire? - Wishes to kill something
If la Hire isn't real, we'll riot.
He is.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Hire
He was definitely real, and his depiction as a towering muscle bound death machine is fairly accurate as well.
He was areal, and he legit was the one who led the vanguard at Patay and crushed the English.
la Hire is real, maybe the only one in that campaign who isn't real is Guy Josselyne, the beloving follower of Joan who serves as narrator and leader of the french forces in the last mission
So he's The Hound but suave.
Came for La Hire montages
Was not disappointed 😊
lel
The best thing about the Joan of Arc Campaign map is that Swizerland has been labled "Burgundy".
I remember seeing a picture from an American news cast where they had labeled Austria as Switzerland. Pretty funny.
Western Switzerland was a part of burgundy at the time.
@@scipioafricanus6417 wasn't that Savoy? Which was an imperial and not a French fief. But I'm no expert on the period. - in any case it's clearly a modern map with just the closest thing being labled burgundy. The map even lacks gascony etc, which would have been relevant.
-Holy Roman Empire- Other
if it was only that:
It is pitiful how Spirit of the Law didn't see how bad are the maps in that campaign. You got eyes to compare with real maps? To not put any fortification on the bridge of Orleans while it was probably the best fortified bridge in entire history and because of that, the key of France (French historical article on Wikipedia about that bridge (doesn't exist in English: strange) fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_des_Tourelles ) but puting anyway ships to cross the river when just close to them the bridge is completely clear and empty: strange again!), and not understand that the cities cleaned on Loire were cities blocking the paths of ships to go in Orleans (so it was just part of the siege, taken for that and just before the first attack of the English, and it were again fortified cities made by the French blocking the bridges, not f shallows with brit forts away blocking nothing, I was born and live few km from that localities, in Angers, and i feel totally insulted by that stupidities and erasing of French defensive architectural work which were the best in the world in medieval time (never heard about the "châteaux de la Loire" ? ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teaux_of_the_Loire_Valley ) And he pretends to be Historian teacher here?)) like the reinforcement of Falstolf intercepted few km before to reach his goal, which was to take back Orleans, is f stupidity. And know that according to France, only 3 knights falled at Patay that day, not 100 (you should see French sources instead brit bad faith propaganda still current, when the british governement claims recently that the ring of Joan was English national heritage (shows how bad faith they are, if they don't believe of Joan magic, why ask for that which is obviously outrageously arrogant as Joan ennemies and filthy murderers only?). wikipedia article in French of the battle of Patay: fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataille_de_Patay No Burgundians also in Orleans siege (why a French pretender of the throne would have starve french people 6 months? To lose all credibility like the English did? You know that there were 3000 spontaneous militia following Joan army like the lords, after miraculous St Loup victory (french were fleeing (on decision of Dunois commander of the city and Alençon reinforcements, without consulting or even wake up Joan) the brits geting out that fort and Joan arrived on battlefiled to make them turn back and enter in open gate)? And Joan of Arc advices made always win all battles with crushing victory and with surprise effect with no possibility of knowledge of british position except guess and very surprising english moves like leaving the Tourelles (main fort in stone, a castle on the bridge took to the French, you cant obvioulsy not see in aoe2 shitty map as i already said) not well defended. Again a bad faith brit spiting on God and France, like at that time. It will avail Spirit of the law nothing good! QED PS: I advise you to see that, MUCH MORE well made (more sources, more precise, more acurate, destroy totally aoe2 official campaign): ruclips.net/video/WQZimRmHEuw/видео.html
"the blood on La Hire sword is almost dry."
"La Hire has been greviously wounded."
Love the little Medieval 2 Total War battle results. Good vid. AOE and Total War and my favourites
New video idea: "How many Spanish Villagers does it take to kill La Hire?"
you need fully upgraded 100 boyards (slavs) and 500 teutonic knights to at least deal 1 dmg to him
That's the argument of the unstoppable force against the immovable objects all over again
The newspaper at 5:07 is definitely worth a pause.
It's amazing how much effort Spirit of the Law puts in these videos
I came for Joan of arc.
I stayed for LaHire.
Damn, what great timing to make a video on the Joan of Arc campaign!
🤔🤔🤔 yes ...
Why?
@@rainbowevil maybe he's referring to the beta DE campaign happening right now? or something else entirely
@@cat2 Because of the beta DE campaign.
@ Right, Germany just wanted some land to feed their poor population. Entirely misunderstood, the Nazis...
La Hire is my *spirit* animal
😂😂😂
I think the Joan of Arc campaign was the first gaming experience that gave me feels...
Thank you for giving it some exposition. Great video as always!
El cid's campaign ending too hit me hard the first time :'(
I played it when i was 8,i still love the campaign and wish to Orleans to see her itching on the churches
@@MrToddino Attila the Hun was quite good too.
@@MrToddino me too.
There are a lot of interesting comments to make here...
One point I'd suggest relates to how we categorise different groups at the time. For instance, SotL talks about both kingdoms being 'Catholic', and also talks about 'England' and 'France' as being the factions at war. However, those names are all retroactive. Spirit correctly notes that Joan didn't use a nationalistic symbol: she used a symbol of God. There's been a modern move, going back a century or more, to interpret Joan as a French patriot, but the idea of French patriotism as such would be alien to her.
Further, talking about her enemies as just 'England' is a bit misleading: half of France had been allegiant to the 'English' throne for decades or more. There's a sense in which the Hundred Years' War is a French civil war in which one side merely happened to control England as well. However, even that way of putting it is a bit misleading: in the 14th and 15th centuries, politics was not about territory, homeland, or nation - it was about people. That is, the argument was not about whether England should conquer France - it was about whether the rightful king of France is Charles VII Valois or Henry II Lancaster (better known as Henry VI in England). Joan would have been fighting for the Valois claim and for God - not for an abstract notion of France.
The 'English' part of France at the time, then, should not necessarily be viewed as under occupation, but rather as French people who had a different view about who the king of France was. Juliet Barker's book 'Conquest: The English Kingdom of France' tries to thread this needle pretty well. Nationalistic sentiments do start to arise near to the end of the Hundred Years' War and Joan plays a role in the birth of a notion of specifically French national identity, but we shouldn't read that too far back.
Similarly, I always feel that capital-C Catholicism is a misleading term when applied to the Middle Ages. When we hear 'Catholic' today we think of the Roman Catholic Church in its modern form, as distinct from Protestants. But in the 15th century, the Reformation had not happened yet. The medieval church had not split into Catholics and Protestants yet. Speaking of medieval Christians as 'Catholics' means putting them on one side of a dispute that hadn't happened yet. Joan and priests of her day would have described themselves as 'catholic', and as good Christian men and women, but the Catholic/Protestant division was alien to them. Frankly we don't know which sides any of them might have taken in the Reformation, had they lived that long.
Now a few more points...
One element that always interested me, in contrast to this campaign and most depictions of Joan, is that according to Joan herself at her trial, she never killed anyone. She was not above occasionally beating someone with the flat of her sword, but as Spirit said, her primary role in combat was to run around waving a banner - more like a regimental mascot than a soldier. It always feels a bit wrong when the game unit depicts Joan with a sword fighting and killing enemy units: something that by her own admission she never did! This might have been for the best - a seventeen year old girl with minimal military training, however courageous, is unlikely to have stacked up that well against veteran soldiers.
Spirit emphasised Joan's aggressive approach, and I think that's important. Kelly DeVries' 'Joan of Arc: A Military Leader' analyses Joan as a general or captain, and he suggests that Joan's major strength was that she was, for lack of a better term, a fanatic. French commanders in the 1410s and 20s had adopted an overly careful, methodical approach to warfare, and could be quite casualty-averse - perhaps an understandable move after they were slaughtered at Agincourt! However, Joan believed that God was on her side and therefore she could not lose - so her policy was to always attack, even in the teeth of seemingly-impossible odds. This repeatedly allowed her troops to surprise enemy commanders. Patay is a good example - while Joan herself wasn't there, a rapid, fierce attack allowed a small French force to overwhelm the English, whereas if the French had been more cautious and allowed the English to entrench, the battle might have gone the other way.
It's worth also thinking a bit more about the politics here. Why would Charles' advisors, or even Charles himself, be opposed to Joan? The role of Burgundy is very important. In brief, before Joan came along, the Valois strategy was diplomatic: the aim was to flip Burgundy to the Valois side through negotiation and then hit the English with a combined force. From the perspective of the most prominent advocates of this strategy, notably Georges de la Tremoille, Joan was a dangerous wild card. When you're engaging in extremely delicate negotiations to try to woo a recalcitrant third faction, the last thing you need is this fanatic, aggressive, and honestly almost psycho young woman hurling French troops into every single obstacle in her way. So after the Siege of Orleans and Charles' coronation, Tremoille tried very hard to stop Joan from leading an army against Paris, deep within the English Kingdom of France.
People like Tremoille often end up the villains when we retell the story of Joan of Arc. Some of that is reasonable - he certainly doesn't seem to have liked her very much, and he fell from favour after some dodgy military shenanigans in the early 1430s - but in hindsight the diplomatic strategy was not fruitless. Joan makes for a better story, but Charles VII successfully flipped Burgundy to his side at the Congress of Arras in 1435, and there's a decent argument to be made that it was this victory, not any of Joan's, that turned the tide and sealed the French victory in the Hundred Years' War.
Anyway, nitpicking and writing small essays aside, thank you for the fun video! I enjoyed it and look forward to part 2. :)
This is really interesting. Any good sources to further study about the 100 years war? Thanks!
Great time and effort have gone into these paragraphs
I like this. People love to try and back-project and misappropriate history, but things were very different back then and even talking about "the french people" as we understand it today would be a stretch, all having distinct regional languages and cultures that hadn't yet been crushed by Napoleon to try and create a common "french" identity.
Heh, sorry, I was really into Joan of Arc for a few years and read a lot.
I think the main takeaway here is that AoE2's Joan of Arc campaign is very much about patriotism, complete with the narrator at the end talking about his commitment to France. This is, for what it's worth, not an unreasonable take: in 1337, you wouldn't find much sense of 'French' or 'English' identity, but by 1453 you would. The Hundred Years' War was one of the causes of the rift between those nations.
Notably, for instance, it's in the 15th century that English becomes the dominant noble language in England. Before that, English nobility would mostly be speaking French, or hybrid dialects called Anglo-French or Anglo-Norman. But the Pleading Act of 1362 established that law courts would conduct their business in English, and in the 1430s you find the Chancery Standard developing: that is, the use of English in legal documents, rather than French or Latin.
If you're like me, you might have done Geoffrey Chaucer in high school English. He was writing in the late 14th century as well, in the middle of the Hundred Years' War, and he also played a significant role in spreading the idea that English could be a language of literature. It's fair to say that this was also related to the Hundred Years' War, the ongoing struggle with France, and the development of distinct French and English identities.
So, at any rate - in Joan's life in the 1420s, there *was* the growth of a notion of France or Frenchness, as opposed to Englishness. Joan herself sometimes put it in terms of expelling the English. (e.g. at her trial she was asked if God hates the English, and she replied "Of the love or hatred God has for the English, I know nothing, but I do know that they will all be thrown out of France, except those who die there.")
Even so, a general or universal French identity took much longer to develop, and I think it's important to bear in mind that the Hundred Years' War was primarily a dynastic struggle. The issue at hand was who had a rightful claim to the throne of France, and, well, it gets very complicated and the English claim isn't *that* bad. It's probably best to think of the Hundred Years' War as a stage in the development of distinct French and English national identities.
tl;dr AoE2 portrays a rise in French pride and nationalism and attributes this to Joan of Arc, this is reasonable in some ways, but also a simplification. It makes for a good campaign, though!
And for people who wondering why ? ruclips.net/video/YNCkYrI4CP4/видео.html
It is a funny video with english subtitles who explain when english kings become french.
edit: Might be helpfull for saladin campains.
Spirit of the Law: Keeping Joan alive should be optional in this scenario.
The Viper: *Cries in agony*
Why?
"Get em." - Joan of Arc
Ah I see ur a man of culture as well
We need an Extra Mod to make this Joan of Arc's AoK voice line. In French, I suppose.
@@safe-keeper1042 in French it would be "Attrappez- les ! " 😂😂😂
@@housshil3675 more like "choppez-les" don't you think ?
@@silvergrove8517 yes "choppez les" fits better
During the Battle of Patay, there was a brief discussion among cavalry vanguard commanders La Hire, Ambroise de Loré, Jean Poton de Xaintrailles, Arthur de Richemont, to wait for the rest of the forces to catch up, a common procedure,
or charge in the face of overwhelming enemy numbers, no doubt influenced by Jeanne's fierce battle tactics they decided to charge which allowed the famous Frankish cavalry charge to work as intended resulting in what is known as the "Reverse Agincourt" - Battle of Patay. The enemy lost most of the longbow troops which would not be replaced for a significant period due to long time it takes to learn its use. Besides that the French would debut field artillery at Battle of Castillon luring the English into its fire for devastating effect finally crushing English ambitions on the Continent. They would be so traumatized by this defeat they would not dare attack France one-one-one again.
St Jeanne d'Arc changed the course of history. Maid of Orleans - your troops gain +100 morale boost.
I think I saw this comment on Extra Credit, but still a great info nonetheless
Chad La Hire vs Virgin Joan of Arc
*Virgin Sir John Fastolf
@@plutarchvonpluto6439 That's because "Jeanne la pucelle" literally means "Joan the virgin".
@@anneaunyme Sorry, now I get it
@Justin Bailey you're a creep
*THE BLOOD ON MY SWORD IS ALMOST DRY LA PUCELLE*
10:12 "It's too bad you almost have to keep her in the back"
Oh no, ask TheViper when he did the Joan's campaign, she was fineeee... Oh wait!
She's too soft and squishy to be in the front... XD
i like that you said "reamed out" with regard to the pronunciation of 'Rheims'.
Looking forward to the next Campaign vs History. Keep it up, SotL :)
The modern orthograph is "Reims and it's pronouced "r-in-s", in one syllable, but it is not simple to know how it was pronounced at that time.
hi missed the S in "Lys" tho. i am however glad he tried. he certainly did more than most people pretending to do researchs.
Spirit of The Law going from math/stats nerd to history nerd. Good times ahead :D (your french pronociation is pretty good)
+1, I appreciate the efforts to get the pronunciation correct. Most english-speakers don't care but this guy does.
Really appreciate this video.
When I was a kid, I played through the Age of Empires campaigns and learned about many of the events depicted before even entering Elementary School. I can't thank my dad enough for introducing the game to me. Now as an adult, I am playing through the campaigns and feeling a completely refreshed urge to learn history. After beating a campaign, its fascinating fleshing out the true events through reading and research. It makes me wish more games like this exist.
Rambling over! Thanks again Spirit
"Ze blood on La Hire's sword is almost dryyy"
Btw, Mark Twain did extensive research before writing his own version of Joan of Arc. Totally worth the read.
The mission select map is quite awful. Modern borders (while some of eastern modern France was in the HRE), with Burgundy being portrayed as Switzerland and England holding nothing in France.
Dead ? I faked my death and used a Cobra Car to escape. Then I made sure a wololo kept me at full health.
Was looking for this comment. Just as I was about to give up, thinking "It's most likely all americans, really doubt they'd notice a flaw in european geography" I saw your profile picture, and I knew that if you commented *anything*, it had to be related to that. I was not disappointed :P.
I dunno, in my time traveling endeavors with Furious the Monkey Boy and knowing your history, I wouldn’t be surprised if Walpole didn’t just buy you back to life.
I mean, he *does* have the funds to get an obscene amount of lockboxes for those stupidly rare revives.
Somewhat less relevant, but I was watching videos about Byzantine/Roman history, and comparing the city of Constantinople to what was portrayed in the campaings, I was kinda impressed they mostly got the geography right for that one.
Spirit will you make a campaign vs history on the Saladin campain or nah?
Yes please.
Seconded.
"let us show these infidel dogs of the West a sight the likes of which no son of Europe has ever seen!"
Favorite line of the campaign
I too second this request
Saladin campaign is a lot interesting
La Hire, what a legend
This video could not have come at a better time... I have an AP Euro assignment about Joan of Arc and the Hundred Years War, so this REALLY helped me. Thank you so much for your in depth coverage of the topic!
When i played the Loire mission, i used my monks to convert Fastolf just after he taunted the french and used him to fight the english.
I like to imagine it as a sort of alternative history scenario in which he was convinced of the Maid's mission and joined the french.
As an archeologist, I can confirm findings of dire wolf bodies with about 133 bodkin arrows stuck inside.
Please bring this format back! I liked your Campaign vs history series the most!
-What would be the first thing you do if you had a time machine?
-Go back in time to meet La Hire.
This game awakened my love for history as a kid. Loving this history series Spirit
I remember spending hours reading Wikipedia going from name to name and being amazed at how each of the characters in the campaign was mostly a real person that existed.
And indeed La Hire was a badass in real life too!!!
La Hire is the "Valet de coeur" in card games.
side note, if you do some scouting before moving any troops (in 'the Maid of Orleans'), you can actually stumble over some unclaimed transports and dock. even more interesting is that upon discovering them, your instantly given the 'careening' tech, thus doubling your troop space. so its not forgotten, just hidden as an easter egg, of sorts.
edit; ok, so you found it, lol. side note, always watch the video first, and comment after xDD
I came here only for La Hire. I'm not disappointed
YES!!! Dude, I've been hoping you'd continue this series and I'm VERY happy to see the next installment is Joan of Arc! This is my favorite AoC campaign.
This is awesome! Will you do one for El Cid in the future?
second this
Yes please
Yes please!!!
I am Spanish, and Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar is my favourite historic character. His life as it is foretold was shrouded with feats and myth. I recommend you to read "Cantar de Mio Cid". Though its reading could be difficult, it is worthful.
The AoE wiki states that he was kinda overplayed in most media. While I dont think he was as moral as Joan of Arc, he still might've been close enough for his rep. Hoping to see any of my favorite history channels cover him properly.
Finally the long-awaited next installment! This series is a very tasty icing to your already generous cake of content. Much love!
I've been waiting for another vs History video for months! Thank you!!!
Dude it's so awesome you do history videos on this.
Probably the best video sotl has produced in a while. Definitely the one I laughed at the most! Excellent stuff.
I love how you used my favorite Joan of Arc painting for the thumbnail of my favorite campaign, i love your videos, spirit!
Finally a new campaign vs history! I have been looking forward to another one for a while! Also 4:15 - 4:17 love those jokes
Very interesting and informative!
And your french pronounciation is pretty good too ;)
Thank you and keep up the good work!
Thank you deeply for making this
Throws me back to the videos of TheViper playing this campaign. Saying "oh no" 1000 times and failing a few times, too.
Man I was wondering if you ever would cover this campaign, thanks for doing so
Omg this is amazing! Please do the other campaigns!!!
Excellent, well done! These are the best videos and since has a lot of research on the background you should be triple rewarded!
my favorite AoE channel playing my favorite campaign!
Hell yeah those are probably my favourite videos on your channel !
man i can't wait till you get around to covering the Wallace campaign! Though we probobly won't be seeing any of it for at least another 235 days...
The Wallace campaign is one of the most inaccurate, though that’s more understandable due to it being a series of tutorial missions. Most notably, though, the Scots lost the Battle of Falkirk.
@@JurzGarz i'm aware. in 235 days is April 1st, that's the joke
Hey Spirit, love your content! All I could ask for would be one last video to finish off the "Best X Civ" series and I feel like it should be "Best Naval Civ"
Best regards, from Denmark
Thank you so much for making this video! I suggested it after the very first video of this series. Although this video is a little late. I needed it about 2.5 years ago for a seminar paper :)
still great video, looking forward to part 2
MvP of this campaign vs history series made by SotL:
La Hire - lol! (La Hire aside, the whole narration of the story here is awesome Spirit!)
new style of videos? I LOVE THAT
by the way, i also love the classic analysis, of course
One of your best vids yet!
Loved La Hire when I first played the campaign, still do.
I love the small dialogues you add XD
by the way, love how you say the names of cities in my country :'3
I played this campaign for the first time about 20 years ago and I am super nostalgic for it, I sometimes still play it and love the hell out of it.
wow I've just realized that the 100-years war was started at the most awesome year in modern terms. 1337
0:40 when you forget blacksmith upgrades
Great job, Spirit! Keep up with the historical videos.
This is awesome, you gotta do this for every campaign
so well researched! great job as always
Subbed. This is incredible work
How is your content so good wtf
the newspaper at 5:07 is hillarious
especially that last sentence : like such a thing is totally unthinkable to the author/journalist of the time
I REALLY like these "Campaign vs History" videos
I just wanted to comment that I have never played AOE before and for some reason I found your channel and enjoy watching your videos. 👍👍
Good timing. :) I bet it'll look much better in the Definitive Edition. ;) Great video!
Love these videos, so educational
Oh hell yeah I love these videos! Thanks for making the effort, I know you said it's way more work than other videos! ❤
La Hire could make use of some french maids!
3:57 Magical Dire Wolves that can't be shot with arrows... hahaha
That was amazing man! Loved the office joke. Can't wait for the next one! (Y)
ah I see you are also a man of culture
La hire is a hero, Spirit of the Law here is a legend.
This is what I've been waiting for!
Best campaign after Saladin's and Genghis Khan's.
7:45 what you came here for
What is the name of the short music?
the first set of campaigns were the best. Followed by conquerors. The others are interesting but varies in design, difficulty and some probably best left forgotten (literally) (edit: Unless we're talking about the Definite Edition version).
Excellent Choice!
Can't wait for the new civ overviews!!!
Love these videos!
I had a gut feeling about you doing this, glad I was right about it
good job sir, i just wonder who would dislike this kind of contents
8:50 I got distracted by the glitched apple texture... ooooof
I'll never forget the first time I played through the siege of Orleans mission in Age of Kings and Joan got converted and I basically never used a hero unit in battle again in the campaigns until the Conquerors made heroes non-convertible.
It's a fun piece of alt history fiction though to think, La Pucelle, hero of the English army 11
Best series ever. I really like Joan d'arch's campaign in AOC, and the historic character as a whole. Tell us more!
What an amazing video. Congratulations, and keep it up. Loved it, and will surely check your channel for more content.
Big Fan Of U Spirit
An excellent video with an excellent pronunciation of french words.
Great idea for the series!
Very informative, thanks!
Well, the concern about George de la Trémoille was about to make peace with Bourgogne (wich was a opponent party in a politic disagree between Armagnac and the Bourguignons, in fact, king Charles VI was crazy and so his uncle (Philippe le Bon, duke of Bourgogne) wanted to rule as a regent). And so make peace was a priority for him, also for the Dauphin Charles. However Jeanne wanted to continue the attack and especially against the city of Paris.
Also the commander of the french forces at Orléans was the count Jean de Dunois, the duke of Alençon was just a compagnon as many other (like la Hire (of his real name : Étienne de Vignolles), Gilles de Rais, Xantrailles, etc... for the most knowed)
Lol! I love your sense of humor! You make history hilarious.
Joan of Arc was by far my favorite campaign in AoE II. The sense of tragedy and noble purpose the narrator gives is what does it for me.
The most interesting of the campaings by far.