Shoemaker's listing of the reasons why the masjid al-haram = Jerusalem reads like the script of a video we did in 2021! However, his conclusion, as I understand it, that the Qur'an was written mostly to project the memory of Jerusalem onto Mecca, is unnecessarily complicated. It invokes Jerusalem because it is about Jerusalem.
Why use mecca as a decoy Jerusalem? Most likely because preserving the judaic 'culture' was more important than Jews preserving it themselves in the middle east (with out political or military power). If/when the Third Temple is build Islam and Judaism will be nearly indistinguishable in practice. Can the middle east support two places of Hajj? Without the influence of Islam its most likely that Easter would be the main holiday for 1billion people who are now muslims. That could be one reason?
I disagree on projection. It only mentions mkh once in the context of the Temple. The unbelievers are specifically doing only a single part of a Jewish prayer ritual in Q8:35, see my comment on clapping of hands. This must have occurred in a Jewish context. Mecca, KSA was created as a facsimile of Jerusalem after completion of the Quran. Not prior or during its creation.
@joebloggs1356 I suspect that the Umayyads (neo-Ghasanids) adopted religious mottos that appear in the Qur'an (some of which had an origin independent of the Qur'an) in support of a tolerant, indeterminate, Abrahamic outlook. They ignored the Qur'an as a canon, but with theoriginal Quranic movement gone and forgotten, it fell to story-tellers to explain its cryptic allusions with banal or fantastical tales. The Abbasids (neo-Lakhmids) realised the Qur'an's importance to popular Arab spirituality. They hoped that by embracing the Qur'an, but placing the narrative deep in the desert and painting the Prophet as an 'illiterate rapist and caravan robber, and the most obvious false prophet in history' (per DW) it could do little harm. The rest = history.
I went on the Hajj pilgrimage in 1999 - my first experience of Mecca. I recall hushed conversations between the men in my group about the lack of resemblance of the city to its Quranic description. Olives were mentioned; our group leader pointed out that they weren't grown in the city until much later, after Mohammad's life. There the conversation ended, with perplexed faces.
Exactly! Dan Gibson found a similar response when he attended a meeting with Saudi archaeologists. They admitted no early Islamic artifacts had been found in Mecca or Medina and then looked down at their shoes.
@@mr.angelosonassis3069 Even if we ignore Dan Gibson's view 100%, there are plenty of other pointers to Petra. For example, certain letters used in the Arabic character set were used in the 'Arabia Petraea' region (Jordan/Petra), and not to the south of this region. This is according to the Saudi scholars.
It has always been assumed that Kaaba means a geometric cube. In Arabic the word for cube is moka’ab. The word Ka’b could also be a round form for example the heel of the foot is called ka’b in Arabic and the bone that forms the heel is called kubba قبة which is also the Arabic word for dome…. Coincidence that the Dome of the Rock (called kubba al sakhra قبة الصخرة) is more of a round building covered by a dome ? Perhaps.
Mecca is 1000s of years old. It is the city where Muhammad was born. The ancient tribe of Quraysh that lived there is the subject of a large part of Muhammad's life and thus the Qur'an since he spent 13 years preaching to them, then 7 years fighting them,
Thank you Mel. The 'valley of Baka' is a good topic indeed. When the Persians settled the Jews in Judaea ca 550 BCE, they did so in Hebron, and the surrounding land (28 kms SSW of Jerusalem). The Jews would have built some holy sites in/around Hebron. They accessed the Temple Mount only about 160 BCE, because of the Hasmonean rout of the then rulers. The "first House" translates to Beit Ula (بيت أولا), an alternative place-name given to the _village of _*_Baqa_* in Hebron. In 637 CE, upon taking control of Jerusalem, in addition to erecting some structures on the Temple Mount, ‘Umar’s men built Abraham’s (Ibrahimi) mosque at Hebron in reverence to the Patriarch. They also built a mosque at Nuba (‘Umari mosque) in the vicinity, next to the village of Beit Ula (بيت أولا, lit. First House). In the 1872-1877 Survey of Western Palestine (by the British Government), this Beit Ula was considered as the Biblical Bethel (“House of El” or “House of God”).
Good work by Shoemaker. Perhaps he'll sharpen up his Ocean's Razor and soon concede that the simplest solution is that Mhmd is a title and not a proper name. After that, who knows? He might even conclude that the underlying Koranic texts principally arise from Syriac Christian writings.
Disagree on one thing: 'MHMD' is in fact an honorary EPITHET (such as 'augustus' - i.e. fortunate or chosen by the gods). An EPITHET goes with a TITLE (e.g. 'caesar augustus'). In fact that is what is on the Dome of the Rock inscriptions: 'MHMD Rasul-Allah (i.e. 'showered with delight is the Messenger of Allah'). Herein, 'Messenger' is the TITLE and MHMD is the epithet. Epithets are given to an honoured leader, and so they are also termed 'HONORIFICS'. Typical honorifics today are 'reverend', 'right honourable', 'his excellency', 'his Holiness'.
Aaaaaaand still the Quran is not denounced as a Wonder of God. Even now it is proving itself. How marvelous. Im eagerly awaiting an aramaic interpretation.
@DinoZero-u2k Aramaic-Syriac 'QERYANA' is a 'lectionary'. That is where al Hajjaj got the title of his collection of writings that he quickly threw together following the orders of his boss Abd al Malik.
All the references in Quran to 'the Messenger', including his priviliges and excuses against critics, make little sense if there wasn't a prophet. I am surprised Shoemaker holds on to the idea Mecca existed. My best guess is that the Arab rulers wanted to create a place of pilgrimage for all Arabs in between the North and South. The fact that a stone of Almaqah's temple in Yemen is incrusted into the Kaaba, that inscriptions show Yemeni's used 'Rhmn' to refer to God and Jesus, and that Sabaeans can go to heaven according to Quran seem like major clues for this. Mecca may not be smack in the middle, but it has a water source and is close to a port town for supplies. Or perhaps it was the believed burial place of Ishmael and Hagar like Dr. Robert Kerr thinks.
38:50 The Samaritans noted the place of Abraham's near-sacrifice of Isaac on Mt. Gerizim. It's just another interesting point how each group requires these acts to support their ownership of the religion. The Samaritans also prayed toward Mt. Gerizim which was another friction point during that time with Jews and Jerusalem which as similar, not exact, but similar, elements to Qur'anic arguments as to the direction of prayer.
Sola Qurana channel has a great series on the True Makkah. Though I would warn that you'd need to be pretty deep in the rabbit hole to understand some parts. But it's a great, eye opening series nonetheless
28:24 In my studies of the Samaritans, the region of Samaria is also described as a "watch tower" or an area used for "guarding." Just throwing that one out there as a point of interest.
22:11 I've recently read a book by Alan Dundes called " Fables of the Ancients," and he approaches the Qur'an from a folklorist's perspective. I recommend it as it contains an interesting non-SIN perspective given it was written in 2003. Anyway, long-story-short, the repetitive portions of the Qur'an, in his opinion, are evidence of it being passed down orally. This conclusion, to me, would indicate the opposite is the items which are "not repetitive" were "not" necessarily passed down orally. So, this section of the Qur'an mentioning Bakka could be a direct link to a written source. That written source being Psalms.
That first charter/plan/scheme devised/compiled for people to enjoy with compassionate justice, of blessing and guidance for all situations (word to word correct translation of the verse 3:96 of Surah Al lmran)
Hi Mel, what do you think of the Quranic verse 61:6: And ˹remember˺ when Jesus, son of Mary, said, “O children of Israel! I am truly Allah’s messenger to you, confirming the Torah which came before me, and giving good news of a messenger after me whose name will be Aḥmad." Yet when the Prophet came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is pure magic.” Isn't this reffering to a historical Mohammad? That when the Mohammad appeared among certain Arabs they rejected him?
Hi thank you for your work and research. My mind has been blown in the last year with listening to this historical critique on early Islam. As someone who loves history I'm eager to have this slice of history more defined in my mind and was wondering have you done or know someone who has done a video on the historical timeline as it really was in the 7th century especially just after the great war between the Romans and the Persians? Especially now that the SIN cannot be trusted.
Geologically nothing beats Petra as the original Mekka. Obsession with Jerusalem comes with the construct of the so called "night journey" (originally two separate events) and its false interpreatation.
Originally the kaaba was in Jerusalem, not in Mecca, and it was jewish. We have to remember that the quran was originally a preaching book of the Nazarenes (called "nasara" (نَصَرَ) in the quran) who were a jewish-christian sect (a "heretical" one for regular byzantine christians since they did not believe in Jesus divinity nor in Trinity). As Jews they practiced pilgrimage to Jerusalem, and their ultimate goal was to go to Salomon's temple. The Holy of Holies was located at the westernmost end of the Temple building and was a cube: 20 cubits by 20 cubits by 20 cubits. The inside was in darkness and contained the Ark of the Covenant. And it was located at the actual location of the Dome of the rock in Jerusalem. So originally the kaaba was in Jerusalem, not in Mecca, and it was jewish. This is also why the first mosques had their qiblas directed to Jerusalem and not to Mecca (which itself did not exist until the 8th century as proven by historical research)
32:14 actually to this day Judaism views Christianity as "avoda zara" - idol worship. Christians believe in the fulfillment of the divinity (the Holy Spirit, the mother and the child) . those who believe in the fulfillment depart from the foundations of the religion, therefore they are considered idolaters. Muslims, on the other hand, do not believe in multiple deities. also Byzantium are the inheritors of Rome who destroyed the temple. so surah 8:34-35 could refer to idol worshiping Byzantines who were the decedents of the temple destroyers and prevented believing monotheists from interring the temple area.
Selfyeshua: Try reading on Jewish expectation of a Messiah, a Savior, expected from Adam and Eve's time (Genesis 3:15 "He shall bruise you (the snake or devil) on the head, and you shall bruise him on the heel"). The Jews thoght of " the Angel of God" in the Torah as someone who was a God figure; the Angel showed his power a number of times. Read the book "Appearances of the Son of God under the Old Testament," by John Owen, edited and compiled by Douglas Van Doren. So for the early Jews, God was more than one. Please just LEAVE the man-made "tawhid" and accept true God. By the way, the quran says to "honor God and Mohammed equally. " Thus Tawhid is not consistent. Please leave this man-made religion.
You have adopted the Islamic misconstrual of the Trinity. The trinity, in resolution of the biblical data, is Father, Son and Spirit. IT IS NOT Spirit, Mary and Jesus. The inclusion of Mary is a typical Quranic mistake.
@@MHMDmeansJesu234Christ sorry, it wasn't a philosophical question. I'm just sharing my speculation why would Jews or unitarian's in the 7th century view Christians as the idol worshipers mentioned in surah 8:34-35. also, in Jewish historical memory, which was sill fresh, Byzantium was Rome. Christianity didn't change the Jewish negative view of this empire. let alone the empire who in her past practiced worshiping man as gods. for Jews it was more of the same
@@dagwould I'm glad you brought it up because yes, in the Quran there is a mistake about the 3 parts of god. but the roots of this mistake are based on a Jewish thought on the Christian fulfillment of the divinity through a holy spirit and a women who made the god child. Jews were countering personification of god not the trinity. Jews don't care weather its 3 or 30 or 300. its the making man born of a women into god which goes against Torah.
I think the material of the Qur'an has to do with Christianity than a Jewish view on Christ. There is a Qur'anic Christology. At the very least, Jesus is a high angel, perhaps the highest of angels who is divine but subordinate to God. When I say divine, I mean like a god, or from god. The Qur'an has contradicting theologies, or it seems so. For example, the Qur'an says Jesus knows the Last Hour, yet it also says Jesus knows not what the Father knows. There is an obvious important link between Isa and Allah in the Qur'an, and Isa, is more important than a traditional Jewish prophet. Prophets are chosen. Jesus was not chosen, but is from God Himself. This significantly separates the Jewish view from the Christian view. There is no adoptionism. Jesus is the Word of God and the highest of divine messengers. Jews would not have a Christological opinion that the Qur'an clearly expresses. There were many types of Christians and opinions in early and late antiquity Christianity regarding the nature of God, the nature of Jesus, and how they relate.
Jahannam is from Aramaic gē ḇen hinnōm, “valley of the son of Hinom”. Jannah comes from a semitic root meaning "defended." This term was also borrowed into Arabic, either from Aramaic or Persian (through another semitic language).
@@youtubeuser1993 in Genesis, the Garden of Eden is most times just called "ha-Gan", the Garden. And yes this same root in hebrew is also related to the meaning defending, shielding, but this would already be less connected to the usage of Paradise
So then it was Hajjar who ran between the two Mountains in search for water for her son Ishmael, and this line of abraham the are first inhabitants of Jerusalem.
Mecca is not a place/town as it was always assumed. If I may go on a limb here and read the verse where the word Maka appears in the Quran 48:24 it is clearly in a context of a battle. The expression used in Arabic is “batn maka” بطن مكة literally meaning the belly of maka and not the valley of Mecca like most translators fall back on. Maka is possibly a scribal error and should have been Ma’ka معكة with the glottal sound meaning a battle. (Many words were subjected to contortions when the text was arabicised from the Syriac.) So batn ma’ka simply means in the heat of battle. No more Mecca guys… problem solved!
Geometric cube was the cube of Al-Lat near Mecca, a Pagon goddess, Islam just took on other pre-Islamic ritual's practices like Hubal worship from the Qureshi tribe which I believe were from Yemen, they did 7 circulations same as Islam and Hinduism, Qureshi threw arrows at other Idols to please the god (Hubal) now Islam throw rocks. Looking at the people who wrote the Qurans they looked like Asians makes since why Hinduism is very similar to each other, lord Shiva is also known as Allah, they both have black stones, the Mecca Hinduisms is verry real it used to be a Hindu Shrine before Mohammed a lot of Hindu deities were worshipped there. It was a temple of a moon goddess before. You still can see the yoni-symbol. Tradition holds that it was originally a simple unroofed rectangular structure. A Hindu temple is a symmetry-driven structure, with many variations, on a square grid of padas, depicting perfect geometric shapes such as circles and squares. Pentagram sometimes seen at the top of a mosque and is a commonly known symbol relating to Islam. The five-pointed star reflects the Five Pillars of Islam which are central to the faith, and the crescent moon and stars are symbols relating to the greatness of the creator. The five points often represent the five elements of air, fire, water, earth, and spirit. For Wiccans the pentagram may also symbolize masculine and feminine, or the Triple Goddess (three points) and the Horned God (two points).It is a pagan religious symbol that is one of the oldest symbols on Earth and is known to have been used as early as 4000 years B.C. It represents the "sacred feminine" or "divine goddess" However, in modern American pop culture, it more commonly represents devil worship. As you join the dots to Islam you can see it grow into a cocktail religion taken on every religion under one identity Islam, this is how they were able to turn countries Islamic, they tried it on the Jews and failed hence they wage war on them till this very day, I believe they are the one religion the UN are pushing on the world stage, hell on earth. Before the Ottoman named the group / movement / cult / Islam I believe they were just a group known as the new Jews when the Abbasids took over Baghdad and changed pray direction to Mecca to say a new sheriff in town as a statement. Love ya brother Mel, keep up the nice work.
Any connection with the word Kabba and the jewish terms kabballah (meaning reception, tradition), cabal etc. Wiki says "A traditional Kabbalist is called a Mekubbal" ...sounds like mecca. Kabba - Mecca ..... kabballah - Mekubbal. Thoughts? Ex. Replacing the word Kaba, sura 5:97 "Allah has rendered the TRADITION ... home an upstanding for humans and the ..."
No Kaaba is كعبة, this would be spelt in Hebrew כעבה Kabbala in Hebrew is קבלה, and would be in Arabic قبلة So the only letters they have in common are b (ב ب) and the feminine noun suffix ة ה
The 'historical Mohammed' is unsearchable, because the source documents of Islam are hundreds of years later than the purported events and were written by central Asians, rather than by Arabs from the families and close associates of the Arabian revolutionary. Mohammed is likely a multiply-sourced, combined, literary creation. There may have been an Arab political leader who was the original role model of Mohammed, but later generations after the original 6th century Arab independence movement had different political needs, and so they 'developed' a Standard Islamic Narrative that flattered their dynastic political agendas.
If you are referring to the Ashtiname of Muhammad, There is no original copy It is easily understandable why Christians would forge this. According to the hadiths, there were 600,000 hadiths, 594,000 of which are forgeries. If Muslims were fabricating 99% of hadiths, maybe Christians forged a letter for self protection against the colonialist saracens
@@j2shoes288 The so-called Ashtiname of Mohammed has a number of ANACHRONISMS in it that prove it is not contemporary to Mohammed, and thus, it is obviously forged.
Interpretation of 17:7 is wrong. the first time was babylon second time is rome. there is no future warning. the only future mentioned in the quran is not a warning, but a blessing in verse 104.
Haggai 2:9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts. latter house -> kaaba peace -> salam -> Islam Haggai 2:7 And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts. „Haggai says the Messiah is the Desired of all Nations“ „the desire“ = „ḥemdâ“ ḥemdâ -> ḥemeḏ -> ḥāmaḏ = desire, greatly beloved (Arabic حَمِدَ praise, eulogize) -> maḥmāḏ = desire, beloved, delight, beauty, grace -> Muhammad Khātam Quran [33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and Khātam of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
@@martinjackman2943 Allah is the God who has been worshiped by moses and jesus. Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? אלהי (elāhī) is Aramaic which translates as “My God” إِلٰهِي (ilahi) is Arabic which translates as „My God“ Psalm 22:1 [[To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.]] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? „My God, my God“ -> „ēl ēl“ אֵלִ֣י אֵ֖לִי לָמָ֣ה עֲזַבְתָּ֑נִי Eli, Eli, lama azavtani Job 22:26 For then shalt thou have thy delight in the Almighty, and shalt lift up thy face unto God. „God“ = ĕlôha Daniel 2:19 Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven. The God = אֱלָהּ (ʼĕlâhh) Ezra 5:1 Then the prophets, Haggai the prophet, and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophesied unto the Jews that were in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of Israel, even unto them. „In the name“ -> šum (שֻׁם) „of the God“ -> ʼĕlâhh (אֱלָהּ) „of Israel“ -> yiśrā'ēl (יִשְׂרָאֵל) Hebrew : "בְּשֵׁם אֱלָהּ" (B'Shem Elah) "בְּשֵׁם" (B'Shem) means "in the name of' "אֱלָהּ" (Elah). Arabic: "بِسْمِ اللهِ" (Bismillah) "بِسْمِ" (Bism) means "in the name of" "اللهِ" (Allah).
)؛ﻜﷻ) ﺎݥﷴ فۊطﯾ ۵ﴽ ەڸڶڠ ݗاﺟﻸﭬ ۯݥٿݟ۱ۄأ ڭڸڶا غخ ݩݥﭬ ﷲړڼآﻐۿؐ نݦ ﭰوزݥڷاۆ اۂضﻟا ݨﺇ " In fact the Safa and the Marwah are just Allah's creation (state of the art), whosever pilgrimage or visit the house must not incline/stand in/ make rituals upon running around them' R m (2:158 true translation)
Mecca not becca .your not reading Arabic your going on persains translation. All give the correct translation. That first charter/plan/scheme devisedlcompiled for.people to enjoy with compassionate justice, of blessing_and guidance for all situations (word to word correct translation of the verse 3:96 of Surah Al Imran)
The answer to that is nowhere. As it means, as Yeshua told about temples and churches.. a person. And no person with the Qouran inside has been HOLY King Ragnar YAHUWAH
noun. ha· pax le· go· me· non ˌha-ˌpaks-li-ˈgä-mə-ˌnän. ˌhä-ˌpäks-, -nən. plural hapax legomena ˌha-ˌpaks-li-ˈgä-mə-nə. ˌhä-ˌpäks-. Definition: a word or form occurring ONLY ONCE in a document or corpus. (usually pronounced as 'HAY-pax le-GAWM-muh-nunn' in British universities).
Shoemaker's listing of the reasons why the masjid al-haram = Jerusalem reads like the script of a video we did in 2021!
However, his conclusion, as I understand it, that the Qur'an was written mostly to project the memory of Jerusalem onto Mecca, is unnecessarily complicated. It invokes Jerusalem because it is about Jerusalem.
Why use mecca as a decoy Jerusalem? Most likely because preserving the judaic 'culture' was more important than Jews preserving it themselves in the middle east (with out political or military power). If/when the Third Temple is build Islam and Judaism will be nearly indistinguishable in practice. Can the middle east support two places of Hajj? Without the influence of Islam its most likely that Easter would be the main holiday for 1billion people who are now muslims.
That could be one reason?
I disagree on projection. It only mentions mkh once in the context of the Temple. The unbelievers are specifically doing only a single part of a Jewish prayer ritual in Q8:35, see my comment on clapping of hands. This must have occurred in a Jewish context. Mecca, KSA was created as a facsimile of Jerusalem after completion of the Quran. Not prior or during its creation.
@joebloggs1356 I suspect that the Umayyads (neo-Ghasanids) adopted religious mottos that appear in the Qur'an (some of which had an origin independent of the Qur'an) in support of a tolerant, indeterminate, Abrahamic outlook. They ignored the Qur'an as a canon, but with theoriginal Quranic movement gone and forgotten, it fell to story-tellers to explain its cryptic allusions with banal or fantastical tales.
The Abbasids (neo-Lakhmids) realised the Qur'an's importance to popular Arab spirituality. They hoped that by embracing the Qur'an, but placing the narrative deep in the desert and painting the Prophet as an 'illiterate rapist and caravan robber, and the most obvious false prophet in history' (per DW) it could do little harm. The rest = history.
I went on the Hajj pilgrimage in 1999 - my first experience of Mecca. I recall hushed conversations between the men in my group about the lack of resemblance of the city to its Quranic description. Olives were mentioned; our group leader pointed out that they weren't grown in the city until much later, after Mohammad's life. There the conversation ended, with perplexed faces.
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Mecca resembles more and more Las Vegas these days.
Exactly! Dan Gibson found a similar response when he attended a meeting with Saudi archaeologists. They admitted no early Islamic artifacts had been found in Mecca or Medina and then looked down at their shoes.
I went with my Shaykh in 2001 umra in Ramadan and asked him about why it doesn't look anything like how its described.
@@Stardust475 So the upshot was what? Did your shaykh go silent? Refusing to admit your observations were correct?
@@mr.angelosonassis3069 Even if we ignore Dan Gibson's view 100%, there are plenty of other pointers to Petra.
For example, certain letters used in the Arabic character set were used in the 'Arabia Petraea' region (Jordan/Petra), and not to the south of this region. This is according to the Saudi scholars.
It has always been assumed that Kaaba means a geometric cube. In Arabic the word for cube is moka’ab. The word Ka’b could also be a round form for example the heel of the foot is called ka’b in Arabic and the bone that forms the heel is called kubba قبة which is also the Arabic word for dome…. Coincidence that the Dome of the Rock (called kubba al sakhra قبة الصخرة) is more of a round building covered by a dome ? Perhaps.
Interesting.
Bravo! the "holy house "in the Qur'an is obviously not the Kaaba in Mecca. Mecca did not even exist as a settlement in the 7th century AD.
Agree.
@@mr.angelosonassis3069 , your point? I wasn't addressing this topic.
@@mysotiras21 don't know how that happened. Tried to post it somewhere else.
@@mr.angelosonassis3069, no problem. YT is glitchy.
Mecca is 1000s of years old. It is the city where Muhammad was born. The ancient tribe of Quraysh that lived there is the subject of a large part of Muhammad's life and thus the Qur'an since he spent 13 years preaching to them, then 7 years fighting them,
Thank you Mel. The 'valley of Baka' is a good topic indeed.
When the Persians settled the Jews in Judaea ca 550 BCE, they did so in Hebron, and the surrounding land (28 kms SSW of Jerusalem). The Jews would have built some holy sites in/around Hebron. They accessed the Temple Mount only about 160 BCE, because of the Hasmonean rout of the then rulers.
The "first House" translates to Beit Ula (بيت أولا), an alternative place-name given to the _village of _*_Baqa_* in Hebron. In 637 CE, upon taking control of Jerusalem, in addition to erecting some structures on the Temple Mount, ‘Umar’s men built Abraham’s (Ibrahimi) mosque at Hebron in reverence to the Patriarch. They also built a mosque at Nuba (‘Umari mosque) in the vicinity, next to the village of Beit Ula (بيت أولا, lit. First House).
In the 1872-1877 Survey of Western Palestine (by the British Government), this Beit Ula was considered as the Biblical Bethel (“House of El” or “House of God”).
Good work by Shoemaker. Perhaps he'll sharpen up his Ocean's Razor and soon concede that the simplest solution is that Mhmd is a title and not a proper name.
After that, who knows? He might even conclude that the underlying Koranic texts principally arise from Syriac Christian writings.
Occam's Razor
Disagree on one thing: 'MHMD' is in fact an honorary EPITHET (such as 'augustus' - i.e. fortunate or chosen by the gods). An EPITHET goes with a TITLE (e.g. 'caesar augustus'). In fact that is what is on the Dome of the Rock inscriptions: 'MHMD Rasul-Allah (i.e. 'showered with delight is the Messenger of Allah'). Herein, 'Messenger' is the TITLE and MHMD is the epithet. Epithets are given to an honoured leader, and so they are also termed 'HONORIFICS'. Typical honorifics today are 'reverend', 'right honourable', 'his excellency', 'his Holiness'.
Darned autocorrect! Occam's Razor.
Aaaaaaand still the Quran is not denounced as a Wonder of God. Even now it is proving itself. How marvelous. Im eagerly awaiting an aramaic interpretation.
@DinoZero-u2k Aramaic-Syriac 'QERYANA' is a 'lectionary'. That is where al Hajjaj got the title of his collection of writings that he quickly threw together following the orders of his boss Abd al Malik.
All the references in Quran to 'the Messenger', including his priviliges and excuses against critics, make little sense if there wasn't a prophet. I am surprised Shoemaker holds on to the idea Mecca existed. My best guess is that the Arab rulers wanted to create a place of pilgrimage for all Arabs in between the North and South. The fact that a stone of Almaqah's temple in Yemen is incrusted into the Kaaba, that inscriptions show Yemeni's used 'Rhmn' to refer to God and Jesus, and that Sabaeans can go to heaven according to Quran seem like major clues for this. Mecca may not be smack in the middle, but it has a water source and is close to a port town for supplies. Or perhaps it was the believed burial place of Ishmael and Hagar like Dr. Robert Kerr thinks.
38:50 The Samaritans noted the place of Abraham's near-sacrifice of Isaac on Mt. Gerizim. It's just another interesting point how each group requires these acts to support their ownership of the religion. The Samaritans also prayed toward Mt. Gerizim which was another friction point during that time with Jews and Jerusalem which as similar, not exact, but similar, elements to Qur'anic arguments as to the direction of prayer.
Thank you, Mel, for this excellent commentary on Shoemaker and the ever clearer evidence for the Jerusalem "theory".
Sola Qurana channel has a great series on the True Makkah. Though I would warn that you'd need to be pretty deep in the rabbit hole to understand some parts. But it's a great, eye opening series nonetheless
28:24 In my studies of the Samaritans, the region of Samaria is also described as a "watch tower" or an area used for "guarding." Just throwing that one out there as a point of interest.
22:11 I've recently read a book by Alan Dundes called " Fables of the Ancients," and he approaches the Qur'an from a folklorist's perspective. I recommend it as it contains an interesting non-SIN perspective given it was written in 2003. Anyway, long-story-short, the repetitive portions of the Qur'an, in his opinion, are evidence of it being passed down orally. This conclusion, to me, would indicate the opposite is the items which are "not repetitive" were "not" necessarily passed down orally. So, this section of the Qur'an mentioning Bakka could be a direct link to a written source. That written source being Psalms.
That first charter/plan/scheme
devised/compiled for people to
enjoy with compassionate
justice, of blessing and
guidance for all situations
(word to word correct
translation of the verse 3:96 of
Surah Al lmran)
Hi Mel, what do you think of the Quranic verse 61:6: And ˹remember˺ when Jesus, son of Mary, said, “O children of Israel! I am truly Allah’s messenger to you, confirming the Torah which came before me, and giving good news of a messenger after me whose name will be Aḥmad." Yet when the Prophet came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is pure magic.”
Isn't this reffering to a historical Mohammad? That when the Mohammad appeared among certain Arabs they rejected him?
Hi thank you for your work and research. My mind has been blown in the last year with listening to this historical critique on early Islam.
As someone who loves history I'm eager to have this slice of history more defined in my mind and was wondering have you done or know someone who has done a video on the historical timeline as it really was in the 7th century especially just after the great war between the Romans and the Persians? Especially now that the SIN cannot be trusted.
Geologically nothing beats Petra as the original Mekka. Obsession with Jerusalem comes with the construct of the so called "night journey" (originally two separate events) and its false interpreatation.
I thought so.
Lots of MHMD’s in history. Not necessarily a Muhammad. Great video firmly locating the original Kaaba and Marwa & Safa mountains
Originally the kaaba was in Jerusalem, not in Mecca, and it was jewish.
We have to remember that the quran was originally a preaching book of the Nazarenes (called "nasara" (نَصَرَ) in the quran) who were a jewish-christian sect (a "heretical" one for regular byzantine christians since they did not believe in Jesus divinity nor in Trinity).
As Jews they practiced pilgrimage to Jerusalem, and their ultimate goal was to go to Salomon's temple.
The Holy of Holies was located at the westernmost end of the Temple building and was a cube: 20 cubits by 20 cubits by 20 cubits. The inside was in darkness and contained the Ark of the Covenant. And it was located at the actual location of the Dome of the rock in Jerusalem.
So originally the kaaba was in Jerusalem, not in Mecca, and it was jewish.
This is also why the first mosques had their qiblas directed to Jerusalem and not to Mecca (which itself did not exist until the 8th century as proven by historical research)
I am interested in when they first start using the site at Mecca was it during the Abbasid period or as late as the ottoman period
32:14 actually to this day Judaism views Christianity as "avoda zara" - idol worship. Christians believe in the fulfillment of the divinity (the Holy Spirit, the mother and the child) . those who believe in the fulfillment depart from the foundations of the religion, therefore they are considered idolaters. Muslims, on the other hand, do not believe in multiple deities. also Byzantium are the inheritors of Rome who destroyed the temple. so surah 8:34-35 could refer to idol worshiping Byzantines who were the decedents of the temple destroyers and prevented believing monotheists from interring the temple area.
Selfyeshua: Try reading on Jewish expectation of a Messiah, a Savior, expected from Adam and Eve's time (Genesis 3:15 "He shall bruise you (the snake or devil) on the head, and you shall bruise him on the heel").
The Jews thoght of " the Angel of God" in the Torah as someone who was a God figure; the Angel showed his power a number of times. Read the book "Appearances of the Son of God under the Old Testament," by John Owen, edited and compiled by Douglas Van Doren. So for the early Jews, God was more than one. Please just LEAVE the man-made "tawhid" and accept true God. By the way, the quran says to "honor God and Mohammed equally. " Thus Tawhid is not consistent. Please leave this man-made religion.
You have adopted the Islamic misconstrual of the Trinity. The trinity, in resolution of the biblical data, is Father, Son and Spirit. IT IS NOT Spirit, Mary and Jesus. The inclusion of Mary is a typical Quranic mistake.
@@MHMDmeansJesu234Christ sorry, it wasn't a philosophical question. I'm just sharing my speculation why would Jews or unitarian's in the 7th century view Christians as the idol worshipers mentioned in surah 8:34-35. also, in Jewish historical memory, which was sill fresh, Byzantium was Rome. Christianity didn't change the Jewish negative view of this empire. let alone the empire who in her past practiced worshiping man as gods. for Jews it was more of the same
@@dagwould I'm glad you brought it up because yes, in the Quran there is a mistake about the 3 parts of god. but the roots of this mistake are based on a Jewish thought on the Christian fulfillment of the divinity through a holy spirit and a women who made the god child. Jews were countering personification of god not the trinity. Jews don't care weather its 3 or 30 or 300. its the making man born of a women into god which goes against Torah.
I think the material of the Qur'an has to do with Christianity than a Jewish view on Christ. There is a Qur'anic Christology. At the very least, Jesus is a high angel, perhaps the highest of angels who is divine but subordinate to God. When I say divine, I mean like a god, or from god. The Qur'an has contradicting theologies, or it seems so. For example, the Qur'an says Jesus knows the Last Hour, yet it also says Jesus knows not what the Father knows. There is an obvious important link between Isa and Allah in the Qur'an, and Isa, is more important than a traditional Jewish prophet. Prophets are chosen. Jesus was not chosen, but is from God Himself. This significantly separates the Jewish view from the Christian view. There is no adoptionism. Jesus is the Word of God and the highest of divine messengers. Jews would not have a Christological opinion that the Qur'an clearly expresses. There were many types of Christians and opinions in early and late antiquity Christianity regarding the nature of God, the nature of Jesus, and how they relate.
Interesting how close the two place names are to Jannah and Jahannam. Heaven and hell.
Jahannam is from Aramaic gē ḇen hinnōm, “valley of the son of Hinom”.
Jannah comes from a semitic root meaning "defended."
This term was also borrowed into Arabic, either from Aramaic or Persian (through another semitic language).
@@youtubeuser1993Jannah not a garden then? See Saint Murad
Gey (Ben) Hinom is Hebrew
Janah is short for the Hebrew Gan Eden (Garden of Eden) and it is also the Jewish expression for paradise
@Victory1942 Could you source that? It sounds interesting, but I'm skeptical Jannah is short for Gan Eden.
@@youtubeuser1993 in Genesis, the Garden of Eden is most times just called "ha-Gan", the Garden. And yes this same root in hebrew is also related to the meaning defending, shielding, but this would already be less connected to the usage of Paradise
Wow ! Jerusalem Jerusalem city of the prophets. Thanks for uploading
Thanks for this.
So then it was Hajjar who ran between the two Mountains in search for water for her son Ishmael, and this line of abraham the are first inhabitants of Jerusalem.
*History simply destroys islam❤from Kerala*
… and Christianity, and Judaism, and….
@levantinian *history strengthens Christianity💪🏻💥*
@@s.mathew3375pffft 😂
@@levantinian grow up bro. Read books🤭
YESHUA AKBAR 😀
From the river to the sea make the world m&s l$m free
Mecca is not a place/town as it was always assumed.
If I may go on a limb here and read the verse where the word Maka appears in the Quran 48:24 it is clearly in a context of a battle. The expression used in Arabic is “batn maka” بطن مكة literally meaning the belly of maka and not the valley of Mecca like most translators fall back on.
Maka is possibly a scribal error and should have been Ma’ka معكة with the glottal sound meaning a battle. (Many words were subjected to contortions when the text was arabicised from the Syriac.)
So batn ma’ka simply means in the heat of battle.
No more Mecca guys… problem solved!
Geometric cube was the cube of Al-Lat near Mecca, a Pagon goddess, Islam just took on other pre-Islamic ritual's practices like Hubal worship from the Qureshi tribe which I believe were from Yemen, they did 7 circulations same as Islam and Hinduism, Qureshi threw arrows at other Idols to please the god (Hubal) now Islam throw rocks. Looking at the people who wrote the Qurans they looked like Asians makes since why Hinduism is very similar to each other, lord Shiva is also known as Allah, they both have black stones, the Mecca Hinduisms is verry real it used to be a Hindu Shrine before Mohammed a lot of Hindu deities were worshipped there. It was a temple of a moon goddess before. You still can see the yoni-symbol. Tradition holds that it was originally a simple unroofed rectangular structure.
A Hindu temple is a symmetry-driven structure, with many variations, on a square grid of padas, depicting perfect geometric shapes such as circles and squares.
Pentagram sometimes seen at the top of a mosque and is a commonly known symbol relating to Islam. The five-pointed star reflects the Five Pillars of Islam which are central to the faith, and the crescent moon and stars are symbols relating to the greatness of the creator. The five points often represent the five elements of air, fire, water, earth, and spirit. For Wiccans the pentagram may also symbolize masculine and feminine, or the Triple Goddess (three points) and the Horned God (two points).It is a pagan religious symbol that is one of the oldest symbols on Earth and is known to have been used as early as 4000 years B.C. It represents the "sacred feminine" or "divine goddess" However, in modern American pop culture, it more commonly represents devil worship.
As you join the dots to Islam you can see it grow into a cocktail religion taken on every religion under one identity Islam, this is how they were able to turn countries Islamic, they tried it on the Jews and failed hence they wage war on them till this very day, I believe they are the one religion the UN are pushing on the world stage, hell on earth. Before the Ottoman named the group / movement / cult / Islam I believe they were just a group known as the new Jews when the Abbasids took over Baghdad and changed pray direction to Mecca to say a new sheriff in town as a statement. Love ya brother Mel, keep up the nice work.
Any connection with the word Kabba and the jewish terms kabballah (meaning reception, tradition), cabal etc. Wiki says "A traditional Kabbalist is called a Mekubbal" ...sounds like mecca. Kabba - Mecca ..... kabballah - Mekubbal. Thoughts?
Ex. Replacing the word Kaba, sura 5:97 "Allah has rendered the TRADITION ... home an upstanding for humans and the ..."
No
Kaaba is كعبة, this would be spelt in Hebrew כעבה
Kabbala in Hebrew is קבלה, and would be in Arabic قبلة
So the only letters they have in common are b (ב ب) and the feminine noun suffix ة ה
Mecca is مكة, which in Hebrew is מכה
Interesting side note makka מכה in Hebrew means a plague, as in the 10 plagues מכות makkoth of Egypt
@@jons9446 Thanks for clarifying :) we move onward
The 'historical Mohammed' is unsearchable, because the source documents of Islam are hundreds of years later than the purported events and were written by central Asians, rather than by Arabs from the families and close associates of the Arabian revolutionary. Mohammed is likely a multiply-sourced, combined, literary creation. There may have been an Arab political leader who was the original role model of Mohammed, but later generations after the original 6th century Arab independence movement had different political needs, and so they 'developed' a Standard Islamic Narrative that flattered their dynastic political agendas.
There's an old monastery with the original letter from muhammad (as). How's that for no evidence.
If you are referring to the Ashtiname of Muhammad,
There is no original copy
It is easily understandable why Christians would forge this.
According to the hadiths, there were 600,000 hadiths, 594,000 of which are forgeries. If Muslims were fabricating 99% of hadiths, maybe Christians forged a letter for self protection against the colonialist saracens
@@j2shoes288 A fake made by the monks to protect them from assault.
@@j2shoes288 that's a fake letter
@@j2shoes288 The so-called Ashtiname of Mohammed has a number of ANACHRONISMS in it that prove it is not contemporary to Mohammed, and thus, it is obviously forged.
Interpretation of 17:7 is wrong.
the first time was babylon
second time is rome.
there is no future warning.
the only future mentioned in the quran is not a warning, but a blessing in verse 104.
Ishmaelite Replacement Theology. Persian influenced.
Haggai 2:9
The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.
latter house -> kaaba
peace -> salam -> Islam
Haggai 2:7
And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.
„Haggai says the Messiah is the Desired of all Nations“
„the desire“ = „ḥemdâ“
ḥemdâ ->
ḥemeḏ -> ḥāmaḏ = desire, greatly beloved
(Arabic حَمِدَ praise, eulogize)
-> maḥmāḏ = desire, beloved, delight, beauty, grace
->
Muhammad Khātam
Quran
[33:40]
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and Khātam of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
Nice! Good job!
This is just you asserting the reference is to the pagan Hubal/Monat shrine in "mecca" you could make the same claim about Gubekle Tepe or Stonehenge.
Salam does not directly translate to "peace"
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Salam (Arabic: سلام, salām) literally means peace, it‘s the arab version of the hebrew word „šālôm“ = peace
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Allah is the God who has been worshiped by moses and jesus.
Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
אלהי (elāhī) is Aramaic which translates as “My God”
إِلٰهِي (ilahi) is Arabic which translates as „My God“
Psalm 22:1 [[To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.]] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
„My God, my God“
-> „ēl ēl“
אֵלִ֣י אֵ֖לִי לָמָ֣ה עֲזַבְתָּ֑נִי Eli, Eli, lama azavtani
Job 22:26
For then shalt thou have thy delight in the Almighty, and shalt lift up thy face unto God.
„God“ = ĕlôha
Daniel 2:19
Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
The God = אֱלָהּ (ʼĕlâhh)
Ezra 5:1
Then the prophets, Haggai the prophet, and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophesied unto the Jews that were in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of Israel, even unto them.
„In the name“ -> šum (שֻׁם)
„of the God“ -> ʼĕlâhh (אֱלָהּ)
„of Israel“ -> yiśrā'ēl (יִשְׂרָאֵל)
Hebrew : "בְּשֵׁם אֱלָהּ" (B'Shem Elah)
"בְּשֵׁם" (B'Shem) means "in the name of'
"אֱלָהּ" (Elah).
Arabic: "بِسْمِ اللهِ" (Bismillah)
"بِسْمِ" (Bism) means "in the name of"
"اللهِ" (Allah).
I'm confused, so is Petra not the original Mecca??
TO 3:96 VERSE OF
TRANSLATIONS IN THE"AS
WITHREPLACED BEEN
UNLAWFULLY HAs" .'
“ВАККАН PROTECT THЕ
CENTER OF PAGANISM, ITS
IDOLS & RITUALS.
)؛ﻜﷻ) ﺎݥﷴ فۊطﯾ ۵ﴽ ەڸڶڠ ݗاﺟﻸﭬ ۯݥٿݟ۱ۄأ ڭڸڶا غخ ݩݥﭬ ﷲړڼآﻐۿؐ نݦ ﭰوزݥڷاۆ اۂضﻟا ݨﺇ
" In fact the Safa and
the Marwah are just
Allah's creation
(state of the art),
whosever pilgrimage
or visit the house
must not
incline/stand in/
make rituals upon
running around
them' R m (2:158 true
translation)
Since the Quran was revealed
in Arabic language so take the
Arabic language meanings not
the Persian language
The quran is telling you don't go the kabah it's called al masjid haram for a reason fobdeien not allowed
No one knows where the original mecca .it is not in Jerusalem.
Mecca not becca .your not reading Arabic your going on persains translation. All give the correct translation. That first charter/plan/scheme
devisedlcompiled for.people to
enjoy with compassionate
justice, of blessing_and
guidance for all situations
(word to word correct
translation of the verse 3:96 of
Surah Al Imran)
The answer to that is nowhere. As it means, as Yeshua told about temples and churches.. a person. And no person with the Qouran inside has been HOLY
King
Ragnar YAHUWAH
The quran come a plain Arabic language. No in classic arbic
noun. ha· pax le· go· me· non ˌha-ˌpaks-li-ˈgä-mə-ˌnän. ˌhä-ˌpäks-, -nən. plural hapax legomena ˌha-ˌpaks-li-ˈgä-mə-nə. ˌhä-ˌpäks-. Definition: a word or form occurring ONLY ONCE in a document or corpus. (usually pronounced as 'HAY-pax le-GAWM-muh-nunn' in British universities).