@@HatedSigmaCannot understand some who talk about it being like EQ, when they should be playing the real EQ if that is what is their selling point about this MMO. Kinda contradicts the message they send to others.
Alright I'll try it again! thanks for taking the time to make this video. I appreciate your video creation style as it seemed like a convo with a buddy who's playing and relaying feedback
What I sense is that initially they’re going to be a lot of people that don’t really fit with the original EQ world where everybody is extremely kind to each other because they understand that you can’t be a jerk or disorganized and make it and eventually only the hard-core gamers at this game is trying to attract will be left When I logged into pantheon, I asked a question and there was somebody that made an OOC that was a jerk to me and I just thought to myself just wait buddy you’re gonna realize very quickly and this type of game that if you’re a jerk you will not like this game because you need the other players so much.
As someone who hasn't played Everquest, but absolutely do love the artstyle of that game, I actually don't think the Pantheon one is that bad. I think when the game releases and you can really take the world in, without the stresses of wipes, I reckon it'll grow on people.
I agree. EQ to this day is just so charming with the aesthetic. Personally, it's my favorite ever. Interested to see the work continue on this game and where it goes.
Love the Everquest energy bleeding off this game. Just played my first major session, and love every second of it. It’s all of what I have been hoping for since Sony EverQuest Frontiers Online
I have a lot of respect for Brad McQuaid, the grandfather of MMORPGs, whose vision shaped an entire genre. But I can’t help wondering if he missed the mark by not making space for solo players-those of us who love the adventure but can’t always commit to a group. A world that could balance both the lone traveler and the team player would’ve been something special. Still, his passion for these virtual worlds outshines even the most dedicated players. That kind of love for what you create speaks louder than any commitment. His legacy is a challenge to anyone who comes after-to dream big and make room for everyone along the way.
The extreme group focus limits the market for the game which may come back to haunt them. Still, Embers Adrift which is also heavily group focused seems to have attracted enough players to be commercially viable so it may not be a problem.
I’m loving the bones of the game and the fluid and response feel of combat is amazing and hard for any game to get right … the rest of the polish will come I’ve tried 6 of the classes til level 10 so far and they are all great so far
Suggestion. If you really like cleric and they reset it when EA is not completed.. use that chance to make a different character and if you end up liking cleric then save that for 1.0, try not to burn out on 1 main character over and over.
Fair point. I like having both options. I like that there are characters in the open world running around doing stuff. A lot of games where you are in instances all the time feel bleak and empty outside. I know what you mean tho. EQ was a true sandbox and gave you many options. It's tough to recapture that magic
The Design Philosophy is closer to Pen and Paper Roleplayers and makes it a good game to do that, like UO was, but majority not caring to roleplay the game, but exploit it only as excel warriors. But here and there you meet one of the real players immersing more than min maxing ^^
Excellent! Can't wait to see what you think. The longer you give it, the more fleshed out it will become and even better if you're into that classic experience
The newest tlp for everquest is always hype and is a good social boost and always full groups of mains. But Pantheon is already solid and with more work it will be great!
Going to have to message the devs on Discord to get the coins back. Not your fault though, the text doesn't make it clear that those coins are sacred and should be banked if you don't use them right away.
I’m feeling like more people are playing shaman as healers in groups. Are there actually things that make a cleric better in a group as a healer than a shaman? I’m a level 12 cleric at the moment.
Cleric has very strong damage mitigation with shields and the AC/health buff at low levels. They have an easier time dealing with damage spikes, but having a shaman off-healing and providing debuffs along with a cleric main healing a party is a great combo. Also, shaman is very popular because it is a strong solo class and easier to level because of it has higher damage than cleric.
Great question. @little answered it very well. But yeah the synergy between the classes are amazing. Cleric has huge heals, with a lot of mitigation. Shaman has decent heals and HoTs (Heals over time) and is a good buffer. I'm not too deep into Pantheon but looking at it from an EQ perspective that they modeled the classes on, shaman has a lot of surviveability and versatility. Theyre good enough to main heal but their true strength is the utility they provide. I love having a shaman in the group. It surprised me in pantheon that they can rezz as well. But yeah ultimately no one compares to the raw healing ability of clerics.
without a doubt, Pantheon is the closest game to Classic EverQuest and Vanguard that i've experienced. very encouraged from what i've played. i just think it needs more and more content and still a bit of animation polish
Most definitely. 1000%. I didn't play Vanguard but I heard the stories. Personally I'm not a fan of the aesthetic. I hope they make it darker and grittier and work on the lighting and ambience. I think I just don't like Unity assets. I can't quite place it but I'm just not liking the style. The gameplay is great, but it all looks and feels bland and clunky.
Its fun but idk the world layout is kind of weird. It feels like I'm not seeing enough areas and variety. Like I'm in a box. There's not enough areas to explore either.
They have been adding in large chunks of content at a steady rate, so check back in a few months and they may have more zones opened up. They have also talked about having a zoneless world so hopefully the zone lines can go away and make the world feel more connected and less boxy.
Feels like an empty shell of a should be game, It’s depressingly bad for 10 years and 5 million $, i like shitty graphics, but these graphics look worse than eq 1 and eq 2
palkadin is the most op early...they drop yellows with ease....then I would say wizards are the next strongest in the early game...they kinda 1 shot just about everything for several levels...no clue how it shakes out later on...
Awesome! I have heard of Paladin doing really well. I really like this archetype. A tough tank, hard to kill, with a lot of healing capability, probably not a lot of damage, but can last a long time. I love grouping with paladins. Really iconic in EQ as well. And yeah Wizards are really strong, all other caster dps are complaining about paling in comparison. But the awesome thing is everyone brings something to the table!
Watched your review of the MNM stress test, agreed with you there and agree with you here too. Group play is about the only strong point of this game right now. Most other things, down to the animations and player identify, are disappointing to say the least. I dont understand whats been worked on for so long. Also the world seems more linear than even more modern MMOs.
Very fair point. I'm completely with you. I have high hopes for MNM. Small team and not as much funding, development time, etc. I know Pantheon suffered a lot of setbacks, but we are growing old and tired of waiting. It feels like a minimum viable product sometimes. I want the game to succeed and I support it, but there is a lot of work to be done. The skeleton and bones are good, just need more!
I've been generally enjoying Pantheon but I definitely feel like it's missing some level of style and heart that EQ has. I have no real nostalgia for EQ, my first time actually playing it was a TLP a few years back but the charming art just makes you want to explore more of the world, I don't get that as much in Pantheon. Also combat balance seems to be off, I don't really like how my cleric's actual healing is pointless, I mostly just roll my shield on the tank and pray they don't get blasted because I can only cast 2 or 3 heals before being completely oom. Hopefully they iron all of that stuff out to make it flow better.
Valid concerns... EQ had a lot of charm for sure, my favorite thing about it. And so memorable. I'm not big on the generic looking unity assets. I hope it will improve over time. Playing cleric also, it does feel like that at times. I was in a tough group where the big heals helped a lot. This is where Cleric can start to shine. I hope it grows on you! It's certainly growing on me. I wanna get a little higher and see how the class performs.
@ 1 bubble from 19 tonight. I have a war, sham, and chanter I play with regularly and we all compliment each other very well and it’s awesome. Lots of interplay between us. It’s so much fun. We just have to grab 2 dips and roll on. Using discord really helps. Camped the spiders in Halners Cave the time.
I have not played Ashes of Creation but I've been following it a bit. Wasn't it mired in some kind of controversy? I know one of the designers of the Omens of War EQ Expansion (Overlord Mata Muram + Citadel of Anguish raid) which I really enjoyed their work is working on the game, I'll most likely check it out!
@@12lippylucy I was really really excited for a new mmo, the trailer had me smiling cheek to cheek, I loaded in the game and just first words were simply What the fuck... Wiped it off my face, I'm having a hard time understanding how people are actually enjoying it quite frankly, I'm just toxic to try and argue against them, The communities turned me off from it
Fair point, i'll be sad when this happens. Maybe their plans will change or they will reconsider. Either way, it's one of those things, you can always jump in later when it's more fleshed out and defined.
It will happen. It's a mmorpg and is in early development. You can have people already at max level when they release the game. It's unfair for new players. So play the game when it is fully released.
Been playing it , the music and landscaping is great. However I think the effort in the actual characters is lame. Hopefully they are placeholders. The dwarf looks like a statue out of wow. A gnome should be small like how they were in EQ. I think they should put all their effort into the characters. All these years and nobody has really pushed the characters to a new level. I wanna see realistic animations, eyeballs that move, head tracking, kick ass emotes and some really good voice sounds. Nothing is more important then the characters. People should be amazed by some new ideas and technologies otherwise it's gonna be labeled as a clone. I'm not saying it has to be high definition graphics or moving hair. I'm saying these characters need to come to life and not look like a skinny paper doll staring off into space. The only one that looks good so far is the halflings. Again gnomes are supposed to be cute and small.
Absolutely, especially since we are our characters and have to look at them. It's more meaningful if you're truly invested in your character. Humans look terrible. Very generic. I hope this improves as well. Graphics aren't everything but I'm with you about the character models for sure
Few things I would like added. INGAME map with corpse marker. Quest markers to give you a general idea of where to go. Actual level indicators for mobs. Everything else is am good with.
Yeah maps aren't going to happen. If you are really struggling to find your corpse you can get a corpse summon from someone. You can also use the location command to get the coordinants before you release your body. Quest markers is also a no go. If you really need to figure it out go to shalazam or ask people in game for help. Its a social mmo. You are just asking for features from other MMOs that make them less social.
lol I feel your pain, the fun thing is, sometimes going on a corpse run and members from the community get involved and help eachother out can lead to some interesting moments and emergent gameplay, a group experience you didnt think you needed or could happen, but yeah it can be rough when time is limited, and can take a long time. I don't think we will see this in Pantheon due to their commitment to keep it old school
Anyone who is sad about this game having wipes has no clue what a complete mmo should look like. If they dont wipe characters when 1.0 comes out it would be completely silly. Not only do we not have every class and race, we dont have nearly any of thw starting zones finished. People dont seem to understand what early access is and means for this game. If there isnt a wipe in the 2-5 years that this game will be in early access I honestly think that would push me and many players away from trying this game out. People hate the idea of starting out behind
That would mean Pantheon was in development for 15+ years...for a game that looks like a 2003 game. This was the Devs last ditch effort to make a little money before shutting it down. So far they made about 140k. Which isn't going to be enough to continue anything.
EQ was like this once u hit lv 40ish. Fighting giants for plat, or running Velks from upper 40's-50's camping FF, Eyes, etc was one of the safest ways to lvl.. But why the devs made the early game so reliant on heavy group play was definitely the wrong move. In 1999, it was fine. In 2024, it's not. I think the devs should scale down all mobs at least until lvl 10 or when we get powerful enough to do our first actual dungeon. Then make grouping needed to get through it. Almost forcing ppl to group early while sitting in low level camps will probably have a negative impact moving forward. Just my thoughts as someone who played EQ for 6 years until EQ 2 & WoW came out.
Is not really ready for impressions since almost everything is most likely going to change in some way as it's no where near release. It's crazy that some people are playing alphas and betas then complaining about things they should know it's going to happen like wipes, down time and changes. The general community now days for alphas and beta games so nothing but cry. I'm glad the older gamers at least still realize what alphas and beta actually are. Good job.
playerbase changed alot unfortunately. Noticed that people will instantly leave group without giving any heads up. If 1 person leaves then suddenly 3 other people "gtg bye". There's no loyalty or coutesy like you would find in EQ. It's just not the same. WoW players with the PUG mentality pervades.
I have only been in two groups, a lot of the OG EQ players do have that mentality from what I've seen on Stormona. But yeah, as time went on, a lot of gamers picked up these bad habits lol. It won't get you far in Pantheon I don't think, but it's all very very niche.
sounds like you experienced a phenomenon. I haven't had this happen even once so far after playing for a few months at this point. (I pledged before it came out on steam)
I'm having fun grouping, that's the funnest part. Hopefully we get more updates soon because besides that there isn't a whole lot else. I'm glad you're enjoying it!
@@Slayheim The game reminds me of FF11.. The whole game was basically Grouping.. Raids/Dungeons/Soulslike basically.. this is what MMOs need to be successful.. WoW will eventually fall because it's going in the casual sense and making everything EASY as hell.. all you do on that game is Pull mob..pull mob.. kill boss.. done rinse and repeat.. Pantheon has the most potential I've seen in a VERY long time.
At least they got the crude graphics and the simplistic NPC behavior right. Must be hard to capture that 25 year old feel in a 2024 MMORPG. :) I would have at least like to see graphics similar to even Vanguard SOH instead of the cartoonish look.
Caves to the Human settlement isn't too bad if you can sneak past the camps in between but i've heard getting to Thronefast from Wild's End is rough lol. Truly classic :P
Pantheon is EQ 1.1, it is 90% the same game, the graphics are not as good as EQ2, there has been zero attempt to modernize the 25 year old mechanics of the original game, it is totally uninspired. I was expecting old school vibes and players being strongly encouraged to group, with at the same time a modern approach to MMOs, but it is just plain old EQ. The art style is terrible, the bank in the starter town looks so out of place that it is hilarious. People are playing it because nostalgia is a powerful drug but the game has nothing new to offer and of course it is like 25% finished. The second zone has invisible walls everywhere and is half empty.
You're close, we're not playing it for nostalgia, we're playing it precisely because it is so much like everquest. Given the current mmo scene, at this point we simply don't trust any developer to attempt to make such as you've described, an old school flavored game with modern conveniences. Even our community has a difficult time distinguishing between the modern conveniences that will counter the old design versus those that can parallel it. Trusting someone getting paid is even less likely.
@BlotterWizard I hear you, but you need logic to back up your claims. Nostalgia simply isn't an answer, it has nothing to do with what's happening. By your logic we are all nostalgic for everything we haven't yet advanced beyond. That's obviously nonsense, sometimes things are just good even though they were made in the past. It isn't Nostalgia to prefer an RPG to an action rpg. It isn't Nostalgia to prefer games with gravitas and high risk to reward ratio, to Arcade experiences. That's not what the word nostalgia means.
I dont get it. Its literally barebones, mobs, grind, basic character animations and world. Its basically Vanguard ...and the graphics are actually similar. Except it is 2025. I am just not seeing it. We are all just so desperate for a new MMO that we are rating things higher than it should be.
You’re not wrong-on the surface, Pantheon does feel reminiscent of older games like Vanguard, and it’s true that it’s not a visual powerhouse compared to today’s standards. However, I genuinely believe this game builds on those classic foundations in a meaningful way. It’s not just nostalgia-it’s an evolution. The combat, especially in a group, really shines. The pace feels deliberate and rewarding, and there’s something special about seeing classes synergize and relying on your team to overcome challenges. If you enjoyed games like Vanguard or EverQuest, I think Pantheon will resonate with you on a deeper level. Even the art style, while not impressive at first glance, grew on me as I ventured into different zones. There’s a subtle charm and personality to the world that isn’t immediately obvious. If you’re on the fence, I’d encourage you to give it a shot with a group. The beauty of Steam is that you can try it for up to 2 hours and still get a refund if it’s not for you. But who knows-you might find yourself pleasantly surprised like I was!
@@Slayheim I'm hopeful, I actually hope they put the work in to make this a great game. I know it's not a complete game and we all knew that when we bought it. But there's a lot of work to be done and I hope it's sooner rather than later. Right now, it's fun, I've yet to group I've lost tons of corpses. I've done the 20+ minute run to get to a new zone only to find out it's guarded by manticores, and I had to turn around and run back. But during that 20-minute run I saw no nodes, or mobs. Guess that was a part of the game that's not been completed yet. (sorry for the long message)
I’m part of the group that thinks after 10 years and 5 million $ this is a sad excuse of a state for the game to be in, EA is a oh shit we are broke and desperate to keep air in it’s lungs… I would rather they made intentionally shitty graphics, The style they chose is not the right one, Logged into eq2 and had more fun than Pantheon, But i don’t get to leave a review cause they can’t even give us steam keys for testing, It’s an empty shell of a game… Feel baited by the devs
Your words hit hard, part of me feels this pain and disappointment in a lot of ways. For me, I feel like I owe it to Brad to give this a fair shake, I hope it improves over time. The core is good, but a lot of work needs to be done. I totally understand your disappointment. Thanks for your thoughts!
Dude... show the game while you talk, and preferably some of the things from the game you mention. No one cares enough to watch you babbling for 15 min!
There is not a single reason to play Pantheon.. Rise the fuck out of my chair so i don’t get a bloodclot from afk farmer.. someone already almost died from a heartattack while streaming this snore chore
Been playing regularly for the past year and they keep releasing content, patching bugs, and adding and iterating on systems. Someone should tell them they’re not very good at scamming.
This comment made me LOL. I know your pain, a lot of us grew tired of waiting. I'm skeptical in some ways myself. I hope they can pull through, there is a lot of work still to be done. Once people make up their mind it's tough to win them back, and a lot of time has passed.
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It does appear so far that the older the era of Everquest you prefer, the more you will like Pantheon.
This is true!
Idk, the more videoes of Pantheon i see the more i want to stick to Everquest.
How many times over the years have I seen projects like this that were suppose to bring that original EQ feeling back!!!!!!
Except EQ still exists and its amazing and has 25 years of refinement! If you're gonna waste your time on a video game, go play EQ baby!
@@HatedSigmaCannot understand some who talk about it being like EQ, when they should be playing the real EQ if that is what is their selling point about this MMO. Kinda contradicts the message they send to others.
stared at the cat the whole time :D
lol, nice :)
Alright I'll try it again! thanks for taking the time to make this video. I appreciate your video creation style as it seemed like a convo with a buddy who's playing and relaying feedback
Thank you very much! that certainly means a lot to me.
Man that’s so cool you played original EQ. My wife and I play project 1999. I played from 2000-2006.
What I sense is that initially they’re going to be a lot of people that don’t really fit with the original EQ world where everybody is extremely kind to each other because they understand that you can’t be a jerk or disorganized and make it and eventually only the hard-core gamers at this game is trying to attract will be left When I logged into pantheon, I asked a question and there was somebody that made an OOC that was a jerk to me and I just thought to myself just wait buddy you’re gonna realize very quickly and this type of game that if you’re a jerk you will not like this game because you need the other players so much.
You're so right. Thanks, Coach! Really appreciate you hanging out in stream. Always awesome to meet a fellow OG EQ player!
As someone who hasn't played Everquest, but absolutely do love the artstyle of that game, I actually don't think the Pantheon one is that bad. I think when the game releases and you can really take the world in, without the stresses of wipes, I reckon it'll grow on people.
I agree. EQ to this day is just so charming with the aesthetic. Personally, it's my favorite ever. Interested to see the work continue on this game and where it goes.
Background music is a lil loud
Dang it, it sounded ok on my end, I'll be mindful of this in the future
The EQ music?
@@Slayheimvery mindful, very demure
i was on my phone with my airpods, but on pc it sounds okay, maybe still a lil loud but not nearly as bad
I think it's fantastic as a solo game too. Im at level 11 and it has been amazing. My character went from nothing and now he is a wrecking ball.
That's awesome, I don't feel it yet as a cleric lol
this might hold me over until monster and memories, cuz honestly that looks like the perfect game for our niche
Definitely. Can't wait to see what you think. I'm very excited about MNM too!
Love the Everquest energy bleeding off this game. Just played my first major session, and love every second of it. It’s all of what I have been hoping for since Sony EverQuest Frontiers Online
Awesome! Glad you're enjoying it!
I have a lot of respect for Brad McQuaid, the grandfather of MMORPGs, whose vision shaped an entire genre. But I can’t help wondering if he missed the mark by not making space for solo players-those of us who love the adventure but can’t always commit to a group. A world that could balance both the lone traveler and the team player would’ve been something special.
Still, his passion for these virtual worlds outshines even the most dedicated players. That kind of love for what you create speaks louder than any commitment. His legacy is a challenge to anyone who comes after-to dream big and make room for everyone along the way.
The extreme group focus limits the market for the game which may come back to haunt them. Still, Embers Adrift which is also heavily group focused seems to have attracted enough players to be commercially viable so it may not be a problem.
This made me tear up. Very profound... thank you for sharing these thoughts
I’m loving the bones of the game and the fluid and response feel of combat is amazing and hard for any game to get right … the rest of the polish will come
I’ve tried 6 of the classes til level 10 so far and they are all great so far
Awesome! Glad you've enjoyed it thus far!
Suggestion. If you really like cleric and they reset it when EA is not completed.. use that chance to make a different character and if you end up liking cleric then save that for 1.0, try not to burn out on 1 main character over and over.
True. But some people have a certain character archetype that they love to play as and will never get bored of it.
Great advice!
@@ryuno2097 true enough
Pantheon is pretty great overall. I just want less open world elites/group content. EQ didn't need that to be a social game. Dungeons are plenty
Fair point. I like having both options. I like that there are characters in the open world running around doing stuff. A lot of games where you are in instances all the time feel bleak and empty outside. I know what you mean tho. EQ was a true sandbox and gave you many options. It's tough to recapture that magic
The Design Philosophy is closer to Pen and Paper Roleplayers and makes it a good game to do that, like UO was, but majority not caring to roleplay the game, but exploit it only as excel warriors.
But here and there you meet one of the real players immersing more than min maxing ^^
Great video. I'm planning on starting next Christmas. I want them to get a year under their belts. My type of game though.
Excellent! Can't wait to see what you think. The longer you give it, the more fleshed out it will become and even better if you're into that classic experience
@Slayheim i am definitely into classic experience. I played original Everquest. Absolutely loved it. Looking for something close to that again.
The newest tlp for everquest is always hype and is a good social boost and always full groups of mains. But Pantheon is already solid and with more work it will be great!
Yep very great point and loving EQ Teek server and really enjoying Pantheon right now
@ were starting a guild on havensong do you have a discord link?
@@ThePhaidenme to I am going to try my best to get
More from eq to play pantheon and we will get them enough money to get the game done
I got guild wars 1 on steam sale all 4 packs for less then $20.
This game has 1/10000th the lack of replayability than guild wars, pantheon has no game to play 😅😅😅
Anyone know how to get your tokens for crafting? I lost them on a corpse when I first started and now I have no tokens.
Going to have to message the devs on Discord to get the coins back. Not your fault though, the text doesn't make it clear that those coins are sacred and should be banked if you don't use them right away.
I’m feeling like more people are playing shaman as healers in groups. Are there actually things that make a cleric better in a group as a healer than a shaman? I’m a level 12 cleric at the moment.
Cleric has very strong damage mitigation with shields and the AC/health buff at low levels. They have an easier time dealing with damage spikes, but having a shaman off-healing and providing debuffs along with a cleric main healing a party is a great combo.
Also, shaman is very popular because it is a strong solo class and easier to level because of it has higher damage than cleric.
Great question. @little answered it very well. But yeah the synergy between the classes are amazing. Cleric has huge heals, with a lot of mitigation. Shaman has decent heals and HoTs (Heals over time) and is a good buffer. I'm not too deep into Pantheon but looking at it from an EQ perspective that they modeled the classes on, shaman has a lot of surviveability and versatility. Theyre good enough to main heal but their true strength is the utility they provide. I love having a shaman in the group. It surprised me in pantheon that they can rezz as well. But yeah ultimately no one compares to the raw healing ability of clerics.
without a doubt, Pantheon is the closest game to Classic EverQuest and Vanguard that i've experienced. very encouraged from what i've played. i just think it needs more and more content and still a bit of animation polish
Most definitely. 1000%. I didn't play Vanguard but I heard the stories. Personally I'm not a fan of the aesthetic. I hope they make it darker and grittier and work on the lighting and ambience. I think I just don't like Unity assets. I can't quite place it but I'm just not liking the style. The gameplay is great, but it all looks and feels bland and clunky.
Cool. Then I'll wait for the game to come out of early access and is fully released to purchase.
I aint buying a mmorpg that is still in development.
@@ryuno2097 thats fair. dont blame ya
Its fun but idk the world layout is kind of weird. It feels like I'm not seeing enough areas and variety. Like I'm in a box. There's not enough areas to explore either.
They have been adding in large chunks of content at a steady rate, so check back in a few months and they may have more zones opened up. They have also talked about having a zoneless world so hopefully the zone lines can go away and make the world feel more connected and less boxy.
I know what you mean, it's very bare bones at the moment
Feels like an empty shell of a should be game, It’s depressingly bad for 10 years and 5 million $, i like shitty graphics, but these graphics look worse than eq 1 and eq 2
palkadin is the most op early...they drop yellows with ease....then I would say wizards are the next strongest in the early game...they kinda 1 shot just about everything for several levels...no clue how it shakes out later on...
Awesome! I have heard of Paladin doing really well. I really like this archetype. A tough tank, hard to kill, with a lot of healing capability, probably not a lot of damage, but can last a long time. I love grouping with paladins. Really iconic in EQ as well. And yeah Wizards are really strong, all other caster dps are complaining about paling in comparison. But the awesome thing is everyone brings something to the table!
Watched your review of the MNM stress test, agreed with you there and agree with you here too. Group play is about the only strong point of this game right now. Most other things, down to the animations and player identify, are disappointing to say the least. I dont understand whats been worked on for so long. Also the world seems more linear than even more modern MMOs.
Very fair point. I'm completely with you. I have high hopes for MNM. Small team and not as much funding, development time, etc. I know Pantheon suffered a lot of setbacks, but we are growing old and tired of waiting. It feels like a minimum viable product sometimes. I want the game to succeed and I support it, but there is a lot of work to be done. The skeleton and bones are good, just need more!
I've been generally enjoying Pantheon but I definitely feel like it's missing some level of style and heart that EQ has. I have no real nostalgia for EQ, my first time actually playing it was a TLP a few years back but the charming art just makes you want to explore more of the world, I don't get that as much in Pantheon.
Also combat balance seems to be off, I don't really like how my cleric's actual healing is pointless, I mostly just roll my shield on the tank and pray they don't get blasted because I can only cast 2 or 3 heals before being completely oom. Hopefully they iron all of that stuff out to make it flow better.
Valid concerns... EQ had a lot of charm for sure, my favorite thing about it. And so memorable. I'm not big on the generic looking unity assets. I hope it will improve over time.
Playing cleric also, it does feel like that at times. I was in a tough group where the big heals helped a lot. This is where Cleric can start to shine. I hope it grows on you! It's certainly growing on me. I wanna get a little higher and see how the class performs.
I play cleric also, got 17 last night!
Congrats! Wow, 17, you've been putting in work. How is it at that level?
@ 1 bubble from 19 tonight.
I have a war, sham, and chanter I play with regularly and we all compliment each other very well and it’s awesome. Lots of interplay between us. It’s so much fun. We just have to grab 2 dips and roll on. Using discord really helps. Camped the spiders in Halners Cave the time.
I might try it in about 6 months.
Have you played Ashes of creation.
I would buy it in May, wait for phase 3.
I have not played Ashes of Creation but I've been following it a bit. Wasn't it mired in some kind of controversy? I know one of the designers of the Omens of War EQ Expansion (Overlord Mata Muram + Citadel of Anguish raid) which I really enjoyed their work is working on the game, I'll most likely check it out!
This is EA after 10 years and 5 million $, don’t get your hopes up in 6 months they might add one thing 😂😂😂 and only one
@@BlotterWizard i had heard of this game a while back , didnt realize it had been 10 years... i think ill pass :)
@@12lippylucy I was really really excited for a new mmo, the trailer had me smiling cheek to cheek, I loaded in the game and just first words were simply What the fuck... Wiped it off my face, I'm having a hard time understanding how people are actually enjoying it quite frankly, I'm just toxic to try and argue against them, The communities turned me off from it
The only thinf stopping me from playing and being a customer is the progression wipes. Without that id be sold.
It's Early Access for a Game that will not be out for 2 years. The only wipes are going to be when new Races, Classes are introduced to the Game.
Fair point, i'll be sad when this happens. Maybe their plans will change or they will reconsider. Either way, it's one of those things, you can always jump in later when it's more fleshed out and defined.
It will happen. It's a mmorpg and is in early development. You can have people already at max level when they release the game. It's unfair for new players.
So play the game when it is fully released.
It won’t survive EA, It’ll be 10 years before it’s an actual game
Been playing it , the music and landscaping is great. However I think the effort in the actual characters is lame. Hopefully they are placeholders. The dwarf looks like a statue out of wow. A gnome should be small like how they were in EQ. I think they should put all their effort into the characters. All these years and nobody has really pushed the characters to a new level. I wanna see realistic animations, eyeballs that move, head tracking, kick ass emotes and some really good voice sounds. Nothing is more important then the characters. People should be amazed by some new ideas and technologies otherwise it's gonna be labeled as a clone. I'm not saying it has to be high definition graphics or moving hair. I'm saying these characters need to come to life and not look like a skinny paper doll staring off into space. The only one that looks good so far is the halflings. Again gnomes are supposed to be cute and small.
Absolutely, especially since we are our characters and have to look at them. It's more meaningful if you're truly invested in your character. Humans look terrible. Very generic. I hope this improves as well. Graphics aren't everything but I'm with you about the character models for sure
Few things I would like added. INGAME map with corpse marker. Quest markers to give you a general idea of where to go. Actual level indicators for mobs. Everything else is am good with.
Boooo those ideas
Yeah maps aren't going to happen. If you are really struggling to find your corpse you can get a corpse summon from someone. You can also use the location command to get the coordinants before you release your body. Quest markers is also a no go. If you really need to figure it out go to shalazam or ask people in game for help. Its a social mmo. You are just asking for features from other MMOs that make them less social.
@@StratPIGi played eq, will not play this because of corpse runs. im all for slow and difficult but some things are a mean boring waste of time.
lol I feel your pain, the fun thing is, sometimes going on a corpse run and members from the community get involved and help eachother out can lead to some interesting moments and emergent gameplay, a group experience you didnt think you needed or could happen, but yeah it can be rough when time is limited, and can take a long time. I don't think we will see this in Pantheon due to their commitment to keep it old school
lol
Anyone who is sad about this game having wipes has no clue what a complete mmo should look like. If they dont wipe characters when 1.0 comes out it would be completely silly. Not only do we not have every class and race, we dont have nearly any of thw starting zones finished. People dont seem to understand what early access is and means for this game. If there isnt a wipe in the 2-5 years that this game will be in early access I honestly think that would push me and many players away from trying this game out. People hate the idea of starting out behind
When you put it that way, makes sense lol.
That would mean Pantheon was in development for 15+ years...for a game that looks like a 2003 game. This was the Devs last ditch effort to make a little money before shutting it down. So far they made about 140k. Which isn't going to be enough to continue anything.
Nice. Level 5 tho...i wonder what 40 is like.
Time and Patience, we'll get there! I bet the classes will really fall into stride at the higher levels.
99% of the group content is camp farming. That gets old really quick and we want more dungeon crawling and world events. Games static.
Agreed, it needs a lot more work.
Embers adrift did this. Lots more moving through a dungeon, far less finding a certain room for the night.
EQ was like this once u hit lv 40ish. Fighting giants for plat, or running Velks from upper 40's-50's camping FF, Eyes, etc was one of the safest ways to lvl..
But why the devs made the early game so reliant on heavy group play was definitely the wrong move. In 1999, it was fine. In 2024, it's not.
I think the devs should scale down all mobs at least until lvl 10 or when we get powerful enough to do our first actual dungeon. Then make grouping needed to get through it.
Almost forcing ppl to group early while sitting in low level camps will probably have a negative impact moving forward.
Just my thoughts as someone who played EQ for 6 years until EQ 2 & WoW came out.
This game is doomed
@@BlotterWizard /wave
straight off Im super duper triggered by the EQ music in the best way possible, breaks out popcorn :)
Awesome! I love it too
Is not really ready for impressions since almost everything is most likely going to change in some way as it's no where near release. It's crazy that some people are playing alphas and betas then complaining about things they should know it's going to happen like wipes, down time and changes. The general community now days for alphas and beta games so nothing but cry. I'm glad the older gamers at least still realize what alphas and beta actually are. Good job.
playerbase changed alot unfortunately. Noticed that people will instantly leave group without giving any heads up. If 1 person leaves then suddenly 3 other people "gtg bye". There's no loyalty or coutesy like you would find in EQ. It's just not the same. WoW players with the PUG mentality pervades.
I have only been in two groups, a lot of the OG EQ players do have that mentality from what I've seen on Stormona. But yeah, as time went on, a lot of gamers picked up these bad habits lol. It won't get you far in Pantheon I don't think, but it's all very very niche.
sounds like you experienced a phenomenon. I haven't had this happen even once so far after playing for a few months at this point. (I pledged before it came out on steam)
the game is amazing so far!
I'm having fun grouping, that's the funnest part. Hopefully we get more updates soon because besides that there isn't a whole lot else. I'm glad you're enjoying it!
@@Slayheim The game reminds me of FF11.. The whole game was basically Grouping.. Raids/Dungeons/Soulslike basically.. this is what MMOs need to be successful.. WoW will eventually fall because it's going in the casual sense and making everything EASY as hell.. all you do on that game is Pull mob..pull mob.. kill boss.. done rinse and repeat.. Pantheon has the most potential I've seen in a VERY long time.
At least they got the crude graphics and the simplistic NPC behavior right. Must be hard to capture that 25 year old feel in a 2024 MMORPG. :) I would have at least like to see graphics similar to even Vanguard SOH instead of the cartoonish look.
Lol, yeah. I don't like the generic feel of Unity.
I thought the cat was part of the game
lol, nice
Nostalgic? Yes.
Easy or fun to play with friends? No. Starting areas too far apart for people who don’t want to start the same classes or races.
Caves to the Human settlement isn't too bad if you can sneak past the camps in between but i've heard getting to Thronefast from Wild's End is rough lol. Truly classic :P
Why you got eq music playing for a pantheon video?
EQ is my true love and I'm feeling nostalgic
Bring back memories
So sad about the graphics for me. I love the mechanics but the visual is difficult to get excited about.
Agreed, not a fan of the Unity assets.
It's a early access the Game is not done there will be wipes.
I'll be sad when this happens, looks like it won't be for a while.
@@Slayheim The game I'm playing is doing a wipe in either Jan. or Feb. I'm fine with it.
It’s not good but it’s not bad
Very fair point lol argue with that
It’s bad when you account 5 million $ and 10 years of work went into this empty shell of a game 😂😂😂
Its alpha, they are 100% wiping the servers when 1.0 drops. (in 10 years)
This game will never come out
This made me laugh lol
Me no money, me want game.
Money can always be earned. You'll get it!
Pantheon is EQ 1.1, it is 90% the same game, the graphics are not as good as EQ2, there has been zero attempt to modernize the 25 year old mechanics of the original game, it is totally uninspired.
I was expecting old school vibes and players being strongly encouraged to group, with at the same time a modern approach to MMOs, but it is just plain old EQ.
The art style is terrible, the bank in the starter town looks so out of place that it is hilarious. People are playing it because nostalgia is a powerful drug but the game has nothing new to offer and of course it is like 25% finished. The second zone has invisible walls everywhere and is half empty.
You're close, we're not playing it for nostalgia, we're playing it precisely because it is so much like everquest. Given the current mmo scene, at this point we simply don't trust any developer to attempt to make such as you've described, an old school flavored game with modern conveniences. Even our community has a difficult time distinguishing between the modern conveniences that will counter the old design versus those that can parallel it. Trusting someone getting paid is even less likely.
@@HallyVee Nostalgia is a lie, It’s the worst kind of bait you can chase, This game will disappoint you and ruin the joy nostalgia once gave
@BlotterWizard I hear you, but you need logic to back up your claims. Nostalgia simply isn't an answer, it has nothing to do with what's happening. By your logic we are all nostalgic for everything we haven't yet advanced beyond. That's obviously nonsense, sometimes things are just good even though they were made in the past.
It isn't Nostalgia to prefer an RPG to an action rpg. It isn't Nostalgia to prefer games with gravitas and high risk to reward ratio, to Arcade experiences. That's not what the word nostalgia means.
I dont get it. Its literally barebones, mobs, grind, basic character animations and world. Its basically Vanguard ...and the graphics are actually similar. Except it is 2025. I am just not seeing it. We are all just so desperate for a new MMO that we are rating things higher than it should be.
You’re not wrong-on the surface, Pantheon does feel reminiscent of older games like Vanguard, and it’s true that it’s not a visual powerhouse compared to today’s standards. However, I genuinely believe this game builds on those classic foundations in a meaningful way. It’s not just nostalgia-it’s an evolution.
The combat, especially in a group, really shines. The pace feels deliberate and rewarding, and there’s something special about seeing classes synergize and relying on your team to overcome challenges. If you enjoyed games like Vanguard or EverQuest, I think Pantheon will resonate with you on a deeper level.
Even the art style, while not impressive at first glance, grew on me as I ventured into different zones. There’s a subtle charm and personality to the world that isn’t immediately obvious.
If you’re on the fence, I’d encourage you to give it a shot with a group. The beauty of Steam is that you can try it for up to 2 hours and still get a refund if it’s not for you. But who knows-you might find yourself pleasantly surprised like I was!
KITYY KAT!!!!!!!
The graphics looked better in the game 5 years ago, what happened?
Good question. Fair point, I'm with you. I remember showcases of the game with Brad and graphics and ambience seemed better.
@@Slayheim I'm hopeful, I actually hope they put the work in to make this a great game. I know it's not a complete game and we all knew that when we bought it. But there's a lot of work to be done and I hope it's sooner rather than later. Right now, it's fun, I've yet to group I've lost tons of corpses. I've done the 20+ minute run to get to a new zone only to find out it's guarded by manticores, and I had to turn around and run back. But during that 20-minute run I saw no nodes, or mobs. Guess that was a part of the game that's not been completed yet. (sorry for the long message)
@@Slayheimbrads dead rolling over in his grave at the current state of the game 😅
played EQ On release untill about 2005 then played eq 2 for couple years as awell
Awesome! Always nice to meet a fellow OG EQ player!
I’m part of the group that thinks after 10 years and 5 million $ this is a sad excuse of a state for the game to be in, EA is a oh shit we are broke and desperate to keep air in it’s lungs… I would rather they made intentionally shitty graphics, The style they chose is not the right one, Logged into eq2 and had more fun than Pantheon, But i don’t get to leave a review cause they can’t even give us steam keys for testing, It’s an empty shell of a game… Feel baited by the devs
Your words hit hard, part of me feels this pain and disappointment in a lot of ways. For me, I feel like I owe it to Brad to give this a fair shake, I hope it improves over time. The core is good, but a lot of work needs to be done. I totally understand your disappointment. Thanks for your thoughts!
Dude... show the game while you talk, and preferably some of the things from the game you mention. No one cares enough to watch you babbling for 15 min!
The graphics suck !! They copied the code from Everquest and copy paste. HELP !!!! 😮😮😮
reconsider how many times you breathe and if you should save them for normal, good people instead of wasting yours
please
lol, this made me laugh
Remember to include the full day night cycle. Much bigger aspect than people realize.
I agree with you, billybob. The animation is basically taken from the original EverQuest. No originality. Horrible animation.
No, pantheon falls short on the fantasy, exploration and rewards compared.
There is not a single reason to play Pantheon.. Rise the fuck out of my chair so i don’t get a bloodclot from afk farmer.. someone already almost died from a heartattack while streaming this snore chore
Truth, Not enough honesty around Pantheon, This game is a scam 😅
This game is a damn scam, 10 years and this is what they have. Yeah, huge scam
How is a functioning and playable game that many people enjoy a scam?
Been playing regularly for the past year and they keep releasing content, patching bugs, and adding and iterating on systems. Someone should tell them they’re not very good at scamming.
Yeah it's not a scam it's not vapor ware, its just had a rough road map. They lost the captain at the head so things slowed down.
This comment made me LOL. I know your pain, a lot of us grew tired of waiting. I'm skeptical in some ways myself. I hope they can pull through, there is a lot of work still to be done. Once people make up their mind it's tough to win them back, and a lot of time has passed.
I've already enjoyed 50 hours and I plan to play much more. That makes it worth the price.
20+ the gold flows like water.