A classic and fun episode, showing the difficulties of reconciling geophysics, documents and what's in the ground. I was delighted to see that Carenza had another child after her mis-diagnosis of cancer about five years before this was filmed.
21:40 -- Full disclosure, I've seen this episode (and most episodes) multiple times, but this is the moment when this episode earned my eternal Thumbs Up. I liked watching Phil play his own Devil's Advocate causing others to stop and think about it.
The difference between British TV and American TV is the British are always so gracious about their history, good, bad, or indifferent. They never outright speak badly of their history. In the US we're practically on the verge of a second civil war because we don't collectively understand our nation's history, good, bad, or indifferent. Americans are very ignorant of their own history, I applaud Time Team and the citizens of the UK who took part in all the "big digs" for seeking out the 'understanding' part of their history.
There’s plenty to “speak badly” of in U.S. history. It’s a country founded on slavery, genocide, and theft. You’re right that ignorance of history is a problem, but it’s mainly a refusal of white Americans to admit these facts. Received wisdom about U.S. history in mainstream culture is far too rosy as it is. We need to be more critical.
Oh, there are those in Great Britain that deny their history especially the slavery aspect. Brexit was fueled by racism, Islamophobia. I used to watch the Royal Horse Guards until the host of the channel started using racist language towards the French and people of color.
The problem, if you want to characterize it as such, is that even in the 17th century using 17th century surveying instruments, Stewart would have made a map which was spot on. He just can't understand why whoever made those earlier maps couldn't have done the same. The other archeologists give him a hard time, but they all know from past experience that they ignore him at their peril. More often than not, he's right.
One of my favorite things about Time Team is how well they work as a TEAM. Everyone's expertise is given a chance to shine. Often, Mick's expertise or Phil's intuition hits on good answers, but just as often, the non-digging archaeologists like John or Stewart save the day.
@@e.h.3798 And that's one of the reasons I love this show, besides the archaeology: the teamwork and the way most of them both respect and challenge eachother to best use their talents.
Stewart being wrong is something I thought I'd never see! xD Tony plumbing new heights of rhetoric to describe how wrong Stuart was is hilarious too lolol
OK. Finally have to acknowledge I am a fan. And this is my favorite episode. Have been binge watching for three weeks. Especially since I am an "English Gardener" and appreciate what it meant to excavate at Kew. Thanks to all!
@@wanttopreach yes, you've said this. Repeatedly. And almost always out of context in response to the comment. All you have succeed in doing is showing the world your own narrow minded redundancy. Lol Lol Lol
The King never lost them. ‘knew right where they were. Unfortunately for his main army, among other things, it became trapped on a peninsula waiting for an expected fleet of ships that never made it.
When Tony said in the opening 'and where is it now' for some reason the first thought that popped into my head was 'it decided to move to the countryside for some peace and quiet'.
And, as if we somehow needed to be reminded again, the lesson here is *don't f-ck with Phil* 😂Seriously, the most plain spoken of the group is consistently the most astute one of the bunch.
I always liken Phil to a regimental sergeant major who got to the top through years of experience digging in the dirt/on the front line. The Doctors and Professors are the officers who've read a lot of books and are better educated, in theory, but both have a lot to learn from each other
It is always interesting to hear different perspectives on history than my own. My list of important historical events in the 1770s and 1780s would have been different. But it is good to see different perspectives.
I spent three years of my life in that magnificent garden. I wonder whether the incidence room is in the School of Horticulture, where I spent many a studying hour.
Love Kew Palace,thanks for the upload!...I watched a documentary with Dr. Lucy Worsley,where they discussed King George's madness as a mental disorder and that he was probably bi-polar.
Dr. Worsley's done a few documentaries touching on the Georgians, and you can hear the consensus opinion change from the older ones to the newer ones - something she acknowledges in the documentary I'm assuming is the one you saw. I guess this episode of Time Team predates the return to the opinion that he was indeed mentally ill.
Well it doesn't take relatively that long to blow a glass compared to say carving a silk stamping block...I went on a tour at Murano to one of the workshops and the guys were blowing through glasses and vases in minutes in the background while the workshop owner was talking and demonstrating
25:50 - the 1720's coin, from what I have heard, is bent because it has been presented as a love token. It's not uncommon for metal detectorists to find coins bent in this very distinct shape.
Yes I read a little about it. It was bent in that wavey shape to distinguish it from other coins and prevent it from going back into circulation as currency. If the receiver kept it, it meant that the love was reciprocated. Apparently quite a few have been found by Thames mudlarkers.
Honestly though, if my sons and potential heirs to the throne were wastrels and drunkards, I was surrounded with lying and flattering opportunists from all sides, and my doctors misdiagnosed and tortured me with sadistic and ineffective cures all the time, I'd rather be staying around and talking to trees and kangaroos myself.
I saw another show about this. I think since G3 was so personally austere, he didn’t believe in putting any money into his favorite personal house’s maintenance. He might also have been too nuts to realize the condition it was in. G4, who was a hip playboy, saw the house as dad’s corny old unfashionable shack, could have cared less and was not about to sink any money in it, so had it torn down.
Kew Gardens was in the Scifi movie Day of the Triffids. (1962) The interior of the greenhouse in the film was a studio set of course, but the greenhouse was were the action was suppose to take place.
How is it that the main house was so poorly built they had to tear it down, but those outer buildings are still standing strong? Did the builder cut corners on his work, or use cheap materials?
The outer buildings were made at one time while the main building was a building with multiple large additions. Large additions with stone/brick masonry buildings when placed nice and neat to the original will settle while the original wont and can cause major structural issues in the course of 100 or so years. The person that had the additions built is long dead at that point and the whole building may be completely out of style so a new owner may not have close emotional ties to it and decide the expense of fixing the cracks where the additions meet the original is not worth the cost to repair ontop of it looking ugly in their eyes. So new owner has it torn down. There is also many other issues with old buildings, no matter how well maintained there will always be problems that are costly to fix, modernizing the plumbing, some rot in woodwork, a leak in the roof that cant be tracked down easily with expensive tiles, anything imaginable really. Anyone that owns an old house knows the fun of finding something old that's broken.
Tonight on Time Team Heavy weight architect Chambers from 1700's taking on Stewart the landscape architect in a professional deathmatch. Its going to be a CART_O_GRAHIC APOCOLYSPE!
Tony found out before that if you go traipsing through Phil's trench without permission Phil will just about kill him. Trespassing in a freshly cleaned trench is a hanging offense according to Phil.
"And while the archaeologists work, historical re-enactor Trevor McNerdy will be attempting to do all the graphics on an original iMac, like our distant ancestors did".
Interesting when discussing the world in the time of George III, they ignored what was happening across the pond. As an American, that was my first thought.
Ok, look. I am a huge fan of Time Team, but come on. They just happen to locate their first find, and it just happens to be a stem of a fancy wine glass, and they just happened to have arranged to have a glass blower lined up to make a replica? A few too many coincidences there, guys.
Wonder how many of my fellow Americans disliked the toast at the end. Also those shrubs next to the disused privy looked quite lush. They must be eating like nobility, hehehe.
It's been compressed too many times. Every time someone copies it and re-uploads onto their personal channel, it gets a fresh compression on top of what it already had - sometimes using different compression formats. One of the most common problems with this is video-sound sync issues, along with general picture and sound quality.
As an American, and a third George myself , to George the 3rd, rather than cheers, I must say BOO ! Although, if he hadn't been so evil to us colonists I might not be living here now. So maybe only half a BOO.
Typical Stewart ignoring the facts right in front of his face. Everyone else works together but Stewart always wants to one-up every one and never concedes that his ancient maps and drawings might not be exactly perfect.
Robbinhobbin I have to commend Stewart though- he wants to figure out how & why the old maps were wrong, and correct the maps for posterity. In this case, he showed the the plan of the House was correct, but it’s orientation on the map was wrong. Seems everyone assumed the Palace was squared up with all the remaining buildings, but it just wasn’t the case - it was off by a considerable angle.
Why did they ever listen to Stuart? He was wrong way more than he was ever right. Always wrong. Always. How did that guy keep a job? Bout like a weather man.
More and more I get respect for Mr. Victor Ambrus the illustrator. What an artist!
Requiescat in pace, Victor.
A classic and fun episode, showing the difficulties of reconciling geophysics, documents and what's in the ground. I was delighted to see that Carenza had another child after her mis-diagnosis of cancer about five years before this was filmed.
I was thinking the exact same thing. She went through a terrible ordeal and my heart goes out to her.
21:40 -- Full disclosure, I've seen this episode (and most episodes) multiple times, but this is the moment when this episode earned my eternal Thumbs Up. I liked watching Phil play his own Devil's Advocate causing others to stop and think about it.
The difference between British TV and American TV is the British are always so gracious about their history, good, bad, or indifferent. They never outright speak badly of their history. In the US we're practically on the verge of a second civil war because we don't collectively understand our nation's history, good, bad, or indifferent. Americans are very ignorant of their own history, I applaud Time Team and the citizens of the UK who took part in all the "big digs" for seeking out the 'understanding' part of their history.
There’s plenty to “speak badly” of in U.S. history. It’s a country founded on slavery, genocide, and theft. You’re right that ignorance of history is a problem, but it’s mainly a refusal of white Americans to admit these facts. Received wisdom about U.S. history in mainstream culture is far too rosy as it is. We need to be more critical.
Oh, there are those in Great Britain that deny their history especially the slavery aspect.
Brexit was fueled by racism, Islamophobia. I used to watch the Royal Horse Guards until the host of the channel started using racist language towards the French and people of color.
The problem, if you want to characterize it as such, is that even in the 17th century using 17th century surveying instruments, Stewart would have made a map which was spot on. He just can't understand why whoever made those earlier maps couldn't have done the same. The other archeologists give him a hard time, but they all know from past experience that they ignore him at their peril. More often than not, he's right.
One of my favorite things about Time Team is how well they work as a TEAM. Everyone's expertise is given a chance to shine. Often, Mick's expertise or Phil's intuition hits on good answers, but just as often, the non-digging archaeologists like John or Stewart save the day.
Don’t ignore how Robin could often dig out documentation on the goings on hundreds of years ago.
@@e.h.3798 And that's one of the reasons I love this show, besides the archaeology: the teamwork and the way most of them both respect and challenge eachother to best use their talents.
Stewart being wrong is something I thought I'd never see! xD Tony plumbing new heights of rhetoric to describe how wrong Stuart was is hilarious too lolol
Such great investigative archaeology happens in this episode I love it . Phil H is a treat.
I imagine at some point Tony began mumbling "three days to find out" in his sleep.
Again, when Phil insists there’s got to be something! That’s our Phil Harding! Love him!
I adore Stewart! He works so, so hard.
OK. Finally have to acknowledge I am a fan. And this is my favorite episode. Have been binge watching for three weeks. Especially since I am an "English Gardener" and appreciate what it meant to excavate at Kew.
Thanks to all!
They celebrated the king that lost the American colonies, how funny LoL LoL LoL LoL!
@@wanttopreach yes, you've said this. Repeatedly. And almost always out of context in response to the comment. All you have succeed in doing is showing the world your own narrow minded redundancy. Lol Lol Lol
The King never lost them. ‘knew right where they were.
Unfortunately for his main army, among other things, it became trapped on a peninsula waiting for an expected fleet of ships that never made it.
When Tony said in the opening 'and where is it now' for some reason the first thought that popped into my head was 'it decided to move to the countryside for some peace and quiet'.
I was thinking more of holiday on the Spanish Riviera xD
as an austrailian myself its great to see some of our history no matter how small here on my favorite show time team
They celebrated the king that lost the American colonies, how funny LoL LoL LoL LoL!
Poor Stewart came a cropper in this one :)
Thank's for the great uploads.
Stewart in wrong but it's only remarkable because he has been right about everything else for so long.
And, as if we somehow needed to be reminded again, the lesson here is *don't f-ck with Phil* 😂Seriously, the most plain spoken of the group is consistently the most astute one of the bunch.
I always liken Phil to a regimental sergeant major who got to the top through years of experience digging in the dirt/on the front line. The Doctors and Professors are the officers who've read a lot of books and are better educated, in theory, but both have a lot to learn from each other
Phil is the man!
@@jesterboykins2899He is indeed!
I love how defensive Phil gets every episode when Tony starts making fun of his trench for not finding anything
It is always interesting to hear different perspectives on history than my own. My list of important historical events in the 1770s and 1780s would have been different. But it is good to see different perspectives.
Thanks for the upload
I spent three years of my life in that magnificent garden. I wonder whether the incidence room is in the School of Horticulture, where I spent many a studying hour.
Is it bad when you watch 20 seasons of Time Team in a few months time? Reruns here I come
Love Kew Palace,thanks for the upload!...I watched a documentary with Dr. Lucy Worsley,where they discussed King George's madness as a mental disorder and that he was probably bi-polar.
Dr. Worsley's done a few documentaries touching on the Georgians, and you can hear the consensus opinion change from the older ones to the newer ones - something she acknowledges in the documentary I'm assuming is the one you saw. I guess this episode of Time Team predates the return to the opinion that he was indeed mentally ill.
was what?
It was porphyria.
I'm amazed at how fast they got those wine glasses made. They couldn't have known that was going to be their first find.
***** They have three days to complete the archaeology. All the other footage could be shot either before or after the dig is complete.
+Celto Loco How long does it take you? Five minutes doesn't seem like such a long time.
I can hand blow wine glasses in fifteen minutes and once it cools overnight it's yours.
Well it doesn't take relatively that long to blow a glass compared to say carving a silk stamping block...I went on a tour at Murano to one of the workshops and the guys were blowing through glasses and vases in minutes in the background while the workshop owner was talking and demonstrating
@@talamioros right. I've been to Dartington!
According to the old maps, it’s As(Kew) Gardens.
25:50 - the 1720's coin, from what I have heard, is bent because it has been presented as a love token. It's not uncommon for metal detectorists to find coins bent in this very distinct shape.
Yes I read a little about it. It was bent in that wavey shape to distinguish it from other coins and prevent it from going back into circulation as currency. If the receiver kept it, it meant that the love was reciprocated. Apparently quite a few have been found by Thames mudlarkers.
Thanks again
Glass blowers, Smithies, Potter's, all artisans that have more talent in one tiny cell than I have in my entire body.
It's one of my auntie's favorite places, so I love visiting with her. Was sad to hear of the storm damage.
The sun dial is here:
51.483040ºN, 0.294362ºW
JOnathan Foyle is smart man. Greetings from Denmark in Northern Europe. I like England and the commonwealth countries ^^
Honestly though, if my sons and potential heirs to the throne were wastrels and drunkards, I was surrounded with lying and flattering opportunists from all sides, and my doctors misdiagnosed and tortured me with sadistic and ineffective cures all the time, I'd rather be staying around and talking to trees and kangaroos myself.
Goes to show Carenza's work ethic. She's very, very pregnant yet still on this site
phil does it again, forget your arty farty, lets dig a hole and see whats there, then follow the brick or stonework, good common logic wins again
I really can't comprehend why George's palace was allowed to fall to rack-N-ruin & have to be torn down. What a waste. Sad.
Because he is the king that lost the American colonies, how funny LoL LoL LoL LoL!
I saw another show about this. I think since G3 was so personally austere, he didn’t believe in putting any money into his favorite personal house’s maintenance. He might also have been too nuts to realize the condition it was in. G4, who was a hip playboy, saw the house as dad’s corny old unfashionable shack, could have cared less and was not about to sink any money in it, so had it torn down.
That's a love token.
Kew Gardens was in the Scifi movie Day of the Triffids. (1962)
The interior of the greenhouse in the film was a studio set of course, but the greenhouse was were the action was suppose to take place.
Guess even Stew can be wrong too. Its fact of life.
Was here Nov 2019
How is it that the main house was so poorly built they had to tear it down, but those outer buildings are still standing strong? Did the builder cut corners on his work, or use cheap materials?
The outer buildings were made at one time while the main building was a building with multiple large additions. Large additions with stone/brick masonry buildings when placed nice and neat to the original will settle while the original wont and can cause major structural issues in the course of 100 or so years. The person that had the additions built is long dead at that point and the whole building may be completely out of style so a new owner may not have close emotional ties to it and decide the expense of fixing the cracks where the additions meet the original is not worth the cost to repair ontop of it looking ugly in their eyes. So new owner has it torn down. There is also many other issues with old buildings, no matter how well maintained there will always be problems that are costly to fix, modernizing the plumbing, some rot in woodwork, a leak in the roof that cant be tracked down easily with expensive tiles, anything imaginable really. Anyone that owns an old house knows the fun of finding something old that's broken.
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Wait, what?! Stuart was wrong?? Well, his map was. This is a first, isn't it? I kept saying 'Stuart is never wrong, Stuart is never wrong...' hahaha!
Das große Glashaus schaut aus wie das in Schönbrunn in Wien. Wer war da wohl zuerst am Bauen?
I never knew 'ol King George lived in a white house.😂
Tonight on Time Team Heavy weight architect Chambers from 1700's taking on Stewart the landscape architect in a professional deathmatch.
Its going to be a CART_O_GRAHIC APOCOLYSPE!
Another one without Mick.
Mick was ill quite a lot and he loved his early medieval/dark age digs so wouldn't always join other digs. Plus he was probably busy a lot as well
Dr. Mick Aston had al lot going on otside Time Team, he was also a visiting professor at the University of Exeter, Durham, and Worchester
Again sound is way off I don't understand
Poor Stewart indeed!
19:30 'Phil, can I come in your trench'
...yikes
Tony found out before that if you go traipsing through Phil's trench without permission Phil will just about kill him. Trespassing in a freshly cleaned trench is a hanging offense according to Phil.
"And while the archaeologists work, historical re-enactor Trevor McNerdy will be attempting to do all the graphics on an original iMac, like our distant ancestors did".
A sundial is England😂😂
Interesting when discussing the world in the time of George III, they ignored what was happening across the pond. As an American, that was my first thought.
When you have a country that has been ruled by so many cultures you learn to be polite.
Never count Stewart out.
he suffered from Propheria IE the vampires disease
Stewart was actually wrong for a change?!
July 4, 1776! Freedom! Greetings from the other side of the pond.
Ok, look. I am a huge fan of Time Team, but come on. They just happen to locate their first find, and it just happens to be a stem of a fancy wine glass, and they just happened to have arranged to have a glass blower lined up to make a replica? A few too many coincidences there, guys.
The glassblower scene could have been filmed weeks later, and added to the episode as a 'filler'.
It's not such a stretch that they would anticipate coming up with LOADS of glass on a site like that. They only showed us a nice bit they found.
Wonder how many of my fellow Americans disliked the toast at the end.
Also those shrubs next to the disused privy looked quite lush. They must be eating like nobility, hehehe.
Once again, the sound is out of sync. Annoying.
It's been compressed too many times. Every time someone copies it and re-uploads onto their personal channel, it gets a fresh compression on top of what it already had - sometimes using different compression formats. One of the most common problems with this is video-sound sync issues, along with general picture and sound quality.
So upload them yourself?
And getting to watch ALL episodes here costs you how much? Right, so, not bad for the price right? Hmmmm.
As an American, and a third George myself , to George the 3rd, rather than cheers, I must say BOO !
Although, if he hadn't been so evil to us colonists I might not be living here now. So maybe only half a BOO.
You will remember this comment for decades to come.
21:40 Well, you would need a bloody big haha for kangaroos... just saying.
so more like a hoho then?
@@talamioros Dare I say, a hoo-ha?
normally Stuart is spot on.
Never feel sorry for the r!ch.
Never.
Time team assemble.....another survey/map from antiquity that's full of crap
Tonys Obsession are irritating every time
Sorry red brick is not pretty.
Typical Stewart ignoring the facts right in front of his face. Everyone else works together but Stewart always wants to one-up every one and never concedes that his ancient maps and drawings might not be exactly perfect.
Robbinhobbin I have to commend Stewart though- he wants to figure out how & why the old maps were wrong, and correct the maps for posterity. In this case, he showed the the plan of the House was correct, but it’s orientation on the map was wrong. Seems everyone assumed the Palace was squared up with all the remaining buildings, but it just wasn’t the case - it was off by a considerable angle.
They celebrated the king that lost the American colonies, how funny LoL LoL LoL LoL!
Your redundancy has become rather boring.
Why did they ever listen to Stuart? He was wrong way more than he was ever right. Always wrong. Always. How did that guy keep a job? Bout like a weather man.
Are we watching the same series?
Lay off the pies, Carenza.
she's pregnant not fat
sure
@alanrtment porter Well he was right in one way, she could lay off the creampies to avoid getting pregnant.
@@areyouavinalaff Idiot. The lady was indeed pregnant.