HOW TO FIX VAR!
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What we saying guys? VAR - keep it and fix it, or sack it off?
Spencer FC fix it. So broken!
Keep it and fix it imo
Sack it off
Fix it so the referee needs to have more control and only to go VAR in certain situations
Sack it off ruins everything
We should definitely be able to hear the communication between refs and stockley park. Would really help fans understand why refs make decisions
Also think that the clock should be stopped every time the ref goes to var
A K agreed!!
Agreed
They add time anyway so why stop the clock
It’s called injury time
@@moti775 and it adds time for the time that was wasted before
Like London buses is Spencer. Wait for ages and then BOOM two in no time.
@M C Like Yoda in first sentence I was.
Clarke class😂😂😂😂
Clarke innit
Very simple for me, give the VAR official 20 seconds of replays if it’s nothing clear and obvious the on field decision stands, if there is a thought issue the on field ref should go to the monitor and make the decision, currently just constantly undermining the officials.
i kind of agree with you. My biggest concern would be that fans would look more into the case afterwards and be upset if they felt like they got a goal taken away because the ref didn't spend more than just 20 seconds, you get me?
This is what I’ve been saying all season. It should be a quick look from the VAR official to see if anything could be blatantly wrong, then if he thinks it may be wrong he tells the onfield ref that and he goes and makes the final decision
William Resen yeah I completely understand I just think it’s rough on fans whilst at the games already, especially that there is no communication and a lot of questions with if the tech is even good enough to spot these fine margins.
I think 20 seconds is a bit too short but some kind of time limit would be good. For me with Offside specifically, I think if the referee cannot tell it’s offside without the use of lines then it’s not clear and obvious and go with the decision of the referee/linesman
Howezy the main purpose of var is to get decision right, it shouldn’t have a time limit because it can lead to rushed decision and error will occur more often
Spen doggy dog 2 days in a row this a blessing
2 days 2 imos, Double decent
Being completely serious the prem should take a page out of the mls’s book on how to use var, been in use for two and half years and has been used pretty properly
Spot on! VAR is one of the few things PRO Referees do right.
Franklin Moniedafe pretty much each of the top 5 leagues use it in the same way.
Var in favor of ur team: i love VAR
Var against ur team: i fckin hate VAR
Basically yes!
It’s never in favour of my team😂
beverley henden what’s your team?
beverley henden Except when it is...
That's pretty much with any refereeing decision
Do an IMO on your thoughts on the West Ham owners, they’ve had a lot of scrutiny lately
This is amazing two imos in two days
Double amazing Spencer is doing it
Him getting back with Alex is having an impact already 2 vids in 2 days omg. Daily vids coming back 😍😍😍
Agree on almost everything you’ve said here, apart from the offside factor. It is objective, however there’s been a question over if the cameras capture the exact millisecond the ball leaves a players foot. This seems like a small problem, but with such a minimal difference (as you mentioned for example 3mm) this is crucial.
Spence, what do you make of var in the Chelsea Vs Man United match
Spencer always has an Interesting Perspective.
13:59 The VAR team sometimes goes with that rule and other times doesn't, always subjective.
It seems like even the refs don't know how to interpret the rules sometimes almost like they've changed the rules for VAR...
LiVARpool tottenvar hotspurs
Lovin the uploads spence keep it up bro🤛
Cricket also has a appeal system if you don’t agree with a decision you can review it to see if it’s out or not out!😁
RandomGamer_ 27 he does mention Hawkeye
Fifa Playa Hawkeye he meant for Tennis, DRS Review is what it’s called in Cricket
Love imo, love 2 episodes in a row. One of these a week would be heaven!
I think the issue with using VAR to check offsides is that a video operates frame by frame, and players can go from onside to offside between frames. The ball might leave a player's boot between frames as well, so I just don't think the technology could ever nail an absolute line. Regardless, glad to hear someone talking about VAR in a level-headed way, another great video!
You’re wrong about your offside point, The officials can’t get the tough ones right 100% of the time as they can’t get the EXACT moment the ball leaves the players foot. There have been decisions given offside when the ball would have left his foot milliseconds later but if they gave it those milliseconds later the player is onside. Your other points are spot on but not this.
I mean the "easy" fix for this is to have a higher framerate on the camera that checks for this
I think the best way to sort this to change the offside rule itself, if any part of your body is onside then it should be given, more goals would be allowed in football rather than them taking goals out the game
@@oritemeit8815 theyd still have to do all the same measurements to see if any part of the body is level though so literally no change in time or problens
Ye but it would be way more clearer this time as it’ll be occuring way less often compared to the current offside rule, so it’d be giving more goals to the game... so ye it’d improve alot of things pal
Orite Meit this is an awful idea. Look at DaleJohnsonESPN on Twitter. Shows atleast 1 example and that would be even worse for the game.
Agree with a lot of points you made there. Especially acknowledging that its never the VAR being wrong but the rules or the people looking into it. My problem with the appeal system is that rules are not clear enough for it. Handball rule for example is not a black and white decision most of the time. By implementing the appeal system we force the ref to make a decision and decide whether or not the appeal was right or wrong but we can’t do that because it might be a 50/50 decision. What do you do in that instance? Do you just say oh well that’s unlucky you lose your appeal or does it force the ref into making more decisions they normally wouldn’t make. VAR is very important and we just have to be patient with it and not only acknowledge the things it decides wrong/not perfect but also the instances where it overturnes a wrong decision which seems to be a lot more often.
VAR can be summed up in these lyrics from The Clash:
🎵 Should I stay or should I go now?
If I go there will be trouble
And if I stay it will be double 🎵
m u star 44 alien yeah I know that song
Especially being a West ham he’s not got the opinion I thought😂
What’s that got to do with anything you mong
You are 100% on point here. Challenges would be amazing to the game and would be, as you say, another element to management
The problem with your proposal Spen is that if the incident is on the other side of the pitch then the manager will have no clue whether to appeal or not. If they use monitors to show the manager then they will just increase the time taken in VAR
2 vids in 2 days? Go on Spencer you mad man
Thanks for this Spen. It’s everything I’ve been saying for ages but from someone with more authority. Lol
Putting a mic on the ref is something I’ve said for about 15 years. It would stop decent not just because there would be evidence and repercussions, but it would also help fans be more informed about what decisions have been made and why, AND it would keep the referees in check because they know they’ll have to justify those decisions. The way it has been up until now, the refs can do what they want for 90+ minutes and then disappear down the tunnel without needing to justify anything. This is the reason managers go on camera and get in trouble for questioning the ref’s integrity/competence. Mic them up - force them to make honest and reasoned decisions. It works in a circle because this will foster respect for the ref and prevent players wanting to clash with the refs in the first place.
You’ve hit the nail on the head there Spencer. If people have problems with those offside calls it’s the offside rule they have a problem with not VAR
Oh no, we’re playing in the prem next season.
Me:Exuse me Mr Slaven Billic, bottle the league plz so we don’t have to face Vvvvvv Var
The problem isn't var it's the referees interpretation of what has happened
2 uploads 2 days love it
I’ve always believed an appeal system is the best way. Just like cricket I would the captain and the manager as well as players who were involved in the incident on whether it’s worth the appeal or not. Would put more worth on the use of picking the correct manager and captain who have a clear understanding of the rules.
Loving the IMO's, I hope more are coming in the near future
Spencer when you gonna bring back the Wembley Cup?
Aryan Virdi it’s done already
Aryan Virdi that ship sailed a long time ago and it won’t be coming back
Aryan Virdi lmao move on
What about spandex cup?
"Clear and obvious" is what the FA told us, being a millimetre is neither of them, also how can people stop the VAR recording on the perfect frame to make sure he isnt a millimetre either side
The perfect example of where VAR should be used was Cardiff against Chelsea last year, when the chelsea lad was about 2/3 yards off and the goal stood. Wouldn't take as long to check these decisions, and this goal decision was both "clear and obvious"
Adam 4401 yeah they should have a rule if it’s not really clear to the naked eye or like 0.4 mm offside and under is acceptable
No it really wasnt what they said. It is clear and obvious mistakes with matters of opinion but with offside/ball going over the line or out of play is a matter of fact not a matter of opinion hence why the changed the handball rule when they brought in VAR because they wanted it to be a matter of fact.. so clear and obvious doesnt apply to offsides...
Clear and obvious only refers to penalty’s handballs and red cards I believe so offsides are not covered by this. Also a player can either be onside or off so if a decision is wrong the technically it is a clear and obvious mistake
@@baileyvlogs7267 however, the advantage should always be in favour of the attacker, the minute they start getting lines out, the goal should stand. For a neutral, or an armchair fan watching the game then VAR is a good decision, but the reason football is different to other sports is the atmosphere that comes with it, and VAR is slowly killing that atmosphere. They cant keep taking 3/4 minutes over decisions, because it runs the atmosphere
@@ImSpeedyFTW as I say, there is still discretion over the perfect frame where the ball left his foot, if it is only millimetres between on and offside, how can the officials be sure that they have stopped the video on the perfect frame, as one frame later/earlier the player may have been onside, and the advantage should always be with the striker
Fair to say we disagree on many aspects of VAR and it's possible future, probably too much to leave in a comment, I might have to go old school and make a video response! Interesting to hear your thoughts though.
I think the same as you mostly but I think the handball rule should be changed because if a ball is belted at your hand from a foot away there’s not much you can do but with a few tweaks here and there I think it can work👍 keep up the good content mate been watching forever now glad to see you getting better
Rugby is my sport, the respect shown for referees and the ability to crack on regardless of the decision is awesome to see in sport. The TMO in rugby seems to executed extremely well. The referee can ask to see specific items, or the TMO can suggest that the referee take a look at a specific item. I think that right there is the key, specific items either asked for or suggested by the “VAR” and then the decision is made on the field by the referee/official, and the game cracks on.
A good way to determine whether the decision should be overturned is how long it takes to make the call. If it takes longer then 20 seconds then the original decision should stand.
The appeal system is a decent idea
I agree with everything you said! Only thing I want to add is that people get mad because of the inconsistencies of the referees. Which I could agree with as well; I'm not mad at the VAR but the inconsistencies from game to game.
Good vid mate 👍
So many people needed to hear your opinion I agree so much
Great IMO, I'm also Pro-VAR and think it's a great and fair way to look at contentious decisions. I also agree that it's a great tool and that instead of VAR changing it's the rules in which VAR in analysed needs to change.
I don't think VAR and the delays take anything away from football, it's there to make sure the best team on the day wins and in some ways, VAR can enhance the experience. For example, a goal is scored for your team, you are celebrating massively, most of the time you don't even realise that VAR is looking for the decision until you have stopped celebrating. If VAR rules out your team's goal then obviously it has been disallowed for a valid reason (I still agree some rules in football, not VAR need to change), if your goal stands then it's an extra incentive to have a mini celebration (especially if it's an important goal). However, if you have seen a stadium erupt due to a goal scored against your team and then VAR has chalked it off (again for a valid reason) then that's as good as scoring a goal itself and an incentive to celebrate and to stick it back to rival fans. As before this, you would have to just accept the decision even though it's not fair.
Think the appeal system is a little farfetched and would actually delay the proceeding more (i.e. you said possibly an analysis watching the game and calling it, I think this would cause much more of a delay). I understand the "spectacle" of it and your angle being that it is a managerial tactic, but it's a little too Hollywood and American for the PL. It works well in individual sports such as tennis because that is a very intimate sport in terms of space (half a court) and the decisions which need to be made (in or out), football is more contentious so waiting for an analyst/manager to call out a decision and then waiting for it to be analysed by VAR would take longer. Most importantly these appeal systems don't make it a fair game in a sport like football, in football, a goal can literally be the difference between promotion and relegation, points are so vital. Imagine using all of your calls and then losing a game and ending up getting relegated or losing a final because of it.
I do believe that slowly, through trial and error that we will see VAR improving and with less controversial decisions as we have seen in other countries who adopted earlier than the PL. I love your enthusiasm for change in the game and different approaches and ideas, I bet you're the kind of man that loves the old silver goal rule 😂
Yet again spot on. Btw whoever introduced the idea for 2 hand ball rules needs binning
Bang on Spencer, I’m a Chelsea fan and you saw what happened with Giroud on Monday, doesn’t matter if it’s a millimeter or five meters, offside is offside thats how rules work.
I agree about the delay. I was at Palace vs Arsenal when Aubameyang was sent off, all the ref had to do was walk 10 or so meters to go to the monitor, take 5 seconds to see that it was a red and we could have continued straight away, but instead, we waited about 3 minutes for the Stockley Park to check it out. Firstly, it took too long and secondly I did not know what was going on, it has to improve.
I don’t think the appeal system would work if I’m being honest, if a manager were to run out of appeals and someone was clearly offside then there would be an uproar on social media and in the stadium, but I like the whole idea of where it is like tennis where you watch to see if the ball was out of not and it builds excitement within the stadium
As a rugby fan as well, The football offside line seems impressive and is something we need in rugby
I was at the Chelsea game yesterday and the song that kept being sung was "its not football anymore" and I completely agree. the rule has to be changed. for Olivier Giroud's toe to be offside when he scores a header just doesn't make sense. also how the people at Stockley Park to not see Azpilicueta pushed by Fred to create a foul that get rid of our first goal is unbelievable and don't even get me started on Harry Maguire still being on the pitch. None of the United players seemed to have a problem with any of the Chelsea goals. IMO the 3 appeal rule has to be implemented or VAR has to be gotten rid of because at the moment its not the football anyone fell in love with
Bing bong you’re wrong
Tyler what dyu think i’m wrong abt
Spen u should be on 2 million subs by now love your vids
Love the imo, keep going!
As a football and rugby fan (more rugby) the speed rugby uses the TMO is very nice compared to the speed of VAR, you also could’ve mentioned the ref being able to communicate to the VAR team. Sometimes in rugby you get a dodgy tackle and the ref tells the TMO to check it during play that way play can be brought back without initially slowing the game down. I can see how this would cause issues in football however for things like offsides and penalty decisions can be worked sorted while play is going. The refs having microphones is a great idea because players may start treating the ref with respect rather then swearing at him.
I totally agree with your idea of the appeal system!
Yessss love the IMO series
my initial reaction on seeing this on my subscriptions:
Me: OMG you legend
VAR shouldn't be used to referee the game, the on pitch ref should make all initial decisions. VAR should ONLY be used if either the manager or captain of a team appeal against the decision.
I think 1x appeal for the captain and 1x for the manager would be enough to start with.
Completely agree with the mic and big screen replays as well. People in the stadium need to know what's going on.
Having watched rugby league all my life I think it sets the standard for the minimum Video Referee system requirements - unlike union, it doesn't have that conversational aspect between the two officials, but they still communicate with each other to detail decisions and this can be heard by the TV audience. In the stadium the fans are able to watch the replays and see everything the Video Ref sees, and if they aren't able to work out what the issue is from that, the referee gives a hand signal that associates to the call
Agree completely!
And always said appeals would be a great idea.
Keep it up Spenny ! I'm loving it !
Absolutely nailed it Spencer
TOTALLY agree with u mate!
What I think your missing is the offside cane in to stop goalhanging not take away goals for the matter of an armpit as it’s a fast paced game, Also the reason why football is a bigger and better game than rugby is it’s pure emotion in the stadium therefore for us as fans to have that emotion taken away is not good for the game
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with the offside rule i think it should not count if it is just a hand that is offside because you already can not score with your hand so what is the difference really?
The trouble people have with the offsides is they try and be so precise using the lines, but then that level of precision is not applied when picking the correct frame for when the ball leaves the player's foot
Love the IMO great quality professional football knowledge. I agree VAR has to speed up
Your videos are Always worth watching. Dont go changin Spencer
In Portugal they change the rules on handball. If there is a handball of a offensive player it doesn't matter if its intentional or not the goal is always disallowed.
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Quality video mate!
Serie a is actually considering an appeal system would be interesting to see if that goes through as it could perhaps spark the same idea in the prem
I get what you say about we need to think about teams who concede and then have it wiped. I’ll admit, I hate VAR, but against Shrewsbury, I was with my mates and the scenes when they had they’re goal disallowed was one of my favourites. For me it’s when you score and you don’t celebrate because you’re expecting that blue screen. I just don’t like the fact that the tenth of a millimetre is deciding games when it takes 2 and a half minutes to decide. VAR annoys me whether it goes for or against us, I’ve said this plenty of times. To be honest, I know VAR isn’t leaving anytime soon, but I hope we see massive improvements as someone who goes every week.
In the NFL a coach can challenge a the stop of the ball a touchdown etc. If they win the call is changed whatever it was, but if the original rulling on the field is up held they lose a timeout. They can only make 2 challenges per half. So maybe do something like that? You appeal to VAR and the call on the feild is upheld you lose a substitution.
Hey mate, I definitely agree with the Mic up the ref thing. I believe it would work really well. And players can’t be swearing at officials and neither can managers. And if they do I also agree they should be punishments for cursing. On the fence for VAR
Spen, check out some of the reviews from the aussie NRL last year, its everything you've suggested and we had our teething issues. Hopefully FIFA/FA can look into it.
Agree with the appeal system, mentioned it in an article I wrote a couple weeks back. Would add another dimension to the game and the constant checking of unnecessary developments, should be reduced as a result.
I like the idea of appealing but it would definitely have to come with the screens in the benches because otherwise you cannot tell and I don’t know if that would happen
Mic The Reffs! Like Rugby.
Least 15cm OR Further Is Offside!
Always respect your opinion Spence
Thanks for posting more again keep it up
Plz do more imo. I love this series like all of your other series
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There is one thing people are generally missing when discussing VAR. The camera technology is not ready for VAR yet. The cameras filming the premier League games run at 50 Frames pr second. between each frame the game "moves" 1.2 microseconds. for example, Sterling moves at top speed 13 cm between frames. This is a huge issue when it comes it offside desitions. The VAR room has a few seconds to decide in which frame the ball leaves the player passing the ball's foot. If they get that wrong by 1 frame that has en big impact on weather the player receiving the ball is offside or not.
The offside rule should be changed in my opinion to give some leeway to the attacker. Not much at all, but one I think we could all get behind and have kind of already agreed. The width of the goal line (marking) in my opinion should be the leeway for an offside as the rule was introduced to prevent from goal hanging essentially (clear advantage) .We can then use this in the same way as judging whether a goal has been scored, the ball went out for a throw or if if the ball is in the corner radius line when taking.
Only suggestion I've thought of myself that I think may have some legs when it comes to changing the offside rule. Would be sweet to see others thoughts on it.
Needs to stay, needs to change
Offsides is a tough one as frame rates on the cameras are too slow to know exactly as the ball has been played but I do feel they are doing their best with the technology they have so although it's annoying I accept it. I completely agree that it's the rules and the refs interpreting those poorly written rules that are the issue. Not the technology given them the angles to decide on it. Iv also beleive an appeal with the pace of the game wouldn't work. In games like Cricket, Tennis and the NFL appeals can be used as it's stop start and they can easily hold on while a appeal is made. We can't wait sometime 5 minutes for the play to stop or a throw to be given for an appeal to happen as everyone will have forgotten about it and want to carry on. What should happen is a VAR time limit. Give the VAR 60 seconds (maybe 90 for tight offside calls or serious foul play) If it's not decided in that time Go to the monitor for the on field ref. If he can't decide in say a further 60 seconds then clearly the issue isn't clear enough and the VAR hasn't gained enough evidence to overturn. So play on. The refs make mistakes but they are good refs, so given a second looking they will correct their own mistakes easily. Also 100% to the mic'd up system The decent will be tamed as the players know they're watched the same way rugby and cricket has calmed since mic'ing their refs and stumps etc. Plus we can understand what's being said and know why there's a fair reason to be patient.
When is wheel of futune coming back Spen?
Var is great, the thing that ruin it is the people like mike dean, George friend and John moss
I really LOVE the offsides for an armpit on the other side of the pitch or a millimetre offside. Why can't we get rid of humans altogether and just be controlled by cameras like our driving is monitored.
You must be like me in that if we are going to penalise anyone with no flexibility like forwards endure now then motorists should be fined the instant that hit 31 in a 30 limit or go 71 on the motorway after all RULES ARE RULES !!!
Had to write a research essay and decided to do it on the effectiveness of VAR. I agree that it is very slow but it’s accuracy is 95% but in the end it’s all subjective. I agree with Spencer on this one.
As an avid tennis fan, I’ve thought VAR should’ve adopted the 3 challenge system from the get go as well, but simply modifying it for football of course. By that I mean maybe making it three a game or two per half.
As far as the offside lines thing, I always thought they were pretty arbitrarily drawn and don’t seem to match with the camera angles shown. I thought they could put a small tracker on the players chest or something and have some lasers or sensors at each corner tracking the players exact position. Maybe hijack and modify whatever technology they use for heat maps perhaps.
I too think var is helpful, but needs a lot of refinement.
Spencer 100% agree with what you are saying and am two 100% for var when it go against my team I always put the shoe on the other foot
what about when players are given offside by parts of the body that they are not allowed to score with? Players move their arms forward when they start their runs and there's been a couple of incidents (I think one with Kane and one with Mané) where arms have been deemed offside when they cannot score with them
2 vids in 2 days yes
Get the decision up on the screens and mic the ref! 👏 That's exactly what needs to happen.
As for the offside rule, it's football. So if the foot of the player is offside, that's when they'll be breaking the rule. Not a hand or an arm like I've seen on some ridiculous offside VAR decisions
I think with time and enough teams getting goals for and against them, the effect on fans almost gets normalized because so far some teams feel cheated and they accuse others of getting the rub of the green
More videos please Spen
I like the idea of making it a strategic process and the gaffer needs to call for the appeal of VAR.
Great video! Very good points!
For example...how it effects time plus teams in history who have suffered such as Ireland, is what I did not put into consideration.
I think you are correct in by saying VAR is good, but the rules sometimes are. I for instance think there should be a better rule for offsides; i.e. If a goalscoring part of the body is clearly in front. Because i dont think an armpit being 0.5mm offside is fair to rule out a goal
With offside they should do it like umpires call in cricket