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Intrusive thoughts defeated this Jedi
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- We finally figure out in Episode 7 of the Acolyte why Jedi Master Torbin is so conflicted about his role during the Brendok Incident. It turns out he played a major role in instigating a completely unnecessary conflict between the Jedi and witches. The question I have is why?
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Torbin makes Anakin look like the most patient Padawan there.
😂😂😂
To be fair he was there for 7 weeks😂
@@lewis5645 He's a jedi... not a regular civilian.
@@davidphantom7350he's a child not a Jedi knight
@@davidphantom7350he is a teen, he is a Padawan and human... Luke if krwd Today warning in Empire, Anakin ignored Obiwan countless times..
I liked it.. not all Padawan are going to be Ashoka. She set the Bar HIGH
I'm pretty sure Mother Aniseya screwed up. She took Torbin's desire to go home and made it overwhelming which completely backfired. I'm pretty sure EP7 is about both sides screwing up.
That's kinda what I assumed to. She doubled down on his desire haha 😂
@@pineapplepapercraftsme too. My first thought when he went nuts was, “oops, looks like that witch magic backfired.”
Yeah they clearly showed visually that something was different in him after that mind trick. Like they followed it up with Indira trying to talk to him, but he just didn't say much, and then he meditated. Felt like he was really bothered and frustrated but did his best to keep himself calm until he snapped
Oh wow. That didn't cross my mind. Thank you.
@@pineapplepapercrafts Aniseya trying to go shadowform in front of a Jedi was a huge mistake too. He is trained to instinctively kill creepy darkside stuff.
1:21 Keanu Reeves as a silver-handed rocker/activist turned Jedi, who has to keep a spacecraft from dropping below 55 mph and exploding? I'm sold.
while chasing the holy grail of extreme stunts in the galaxy of course
Jedi Silverhand lol... Although Silverhand would probably have fallen to the sith real quick lol
Don't forget his loyal padawan, Bill S. Preston, esquire 😅
And avenging the death of his dog.
@@GenerationTech
"This is your fucking wake up call Sith! I am a Jedi Agent!"
"I know man! Ain't it wild?"
How did Torbin manage to go from padawan to master in 6 years?? Let's not forget he spent 10 years meditating in silence, so I doubt he would have been promoted during that time.
Man's asking the real questions
i think surviving kelnacca was his knighthood ceremony and than yoda visited him in his mind during his meditation with another promotion lol
Have you ever been so bored you want to kidnap? 😂
@@GenerationTechHonestly makes sense.
Anakin would turn in the force…if this show actually matters anyways……
I think the fact that it's stated Torbin is the son of paupers is actually pretty relevant to why he is the way he is. He may have had trauma from the poverty he grew up in that caused him to have an anxious attachment to the temple in Coruscant.
i think he was probably taken at too young an age to remember much
He’s from a mining world and also recognized that the elevator was a mining operation. This probably made him think of his home as well and reminded of how he thinks of Coruscant as his actual home.
Honestly, Torbin coming from a poor family, let us not forget pauper has always been used in lieu of plebian, then being able to go to a rich system like coruscant, his anxiety is justified. How would you feel in his situation? And what are you usually always told while working on the clock in any field? Get the job done and you can go home. If your job was a scouting mission in a remote area of the woods, you'd want to rush to complete your tasks too. Torbin is like a dude who just entered the workforce after graduating high school, working a landscape job weedwhacking in a thunderstorm.
I suspect Torbin got pushed by this witch getting into her head...the same way the wookie jedi was still affected years after the whole covenant of witches got into his
ah that's right he still drew all those crazy symbols good catch
I suspect it’s just bad writing
Might be the witches left the place WITH kelnaka :
I dont think he was crazy afterwards just bc he drew some symbols he seemed fine right after the incident in the ship…
@@tobik2627
This lol
I noticed people keep having to use some kinda of fill in the blanks fan theories to explain weak narrative gaps as some kinda copium
the message burned in the back of his mind was "It's Torbin time!"
I think its also a reminder that just because someone was raised to be a Jedi doesn't mean that they should be or will be a good one. Legends comics had plenty of short stories where a Padawan realizes this isn't for them and leaves. Part of his behavior is age/maturity related, but also, maybe this life just isn't for him.
Great video as always!
2 points, I think Torbin sat in the fact that his simple frustrations and yearning to go home that night ate at him over the last 16 years. I think he reflected over many years how his impatience caused the deaths of 50 people. Because the 4 Jedi covered it up, some sort of Jedi counseling may not have been available. Feeling immense guilt that he caused so much death finally and no place to turn to for support resulted in him taking the vow.
Also, I agree with everything you said about children and battle. But this was not a battlefield, this was a mission to a presumed dead planet that was thought to be uninhabited. On paper, it sounds like a textbook example of a safe field training mission to take a Padawan to get some experience.
Yes
Torbin 'Leroy Jenkins'🤣🤣🤣 "What the hell, Torbin". Yes, what the hell!
It didn't make sense what he did until the leeroy jenkins reference, this guy even looks like a WoW nerd. He was bored as F and homesick so he pulled a leeroy.
@@jaredm8991 I agree. I also think this mission of surveying certain sectors have been going on for a while? And he is a teen... So I understand his homesick. But Master Indara said he wasn't listening to her and not focusing on his training, in my words.
Let's face it.. these guy are the Jedi science survey team. One respected Master and a couple of minor Masters and a Padawan. Star Trek had them, Stargate had them. Someone has to go off and catalogue planets. I doubt that these guys were the rockstars of the Jedi when given this mission.
Exactly. There are still really awesome Jedi and nobody is saying that all Jedi are idiots or bad or incompetent, but that the institution and individuals are flawed.
At least he wasn't wearing a red shirt...
Why? Because LEEEEERRROOOYYY JEEEENKIIIINSSS
At least I got chicken!
I have to say, Allen, my favorite thing about this show is your videos covering it. The character breakdowns and the observations you make are excellent.
Plus I really enjoy your dry sense of humour.
Oh I think it's 100% because a Dark Side Witch rummaged around in his noggin'...
He wanted to go home, Sol told him they want to find a Vergence in the Force, they find out there's something "off" about the Girls and they might be the Vergence they sought and so his mind jumps to the conclusion "Get the Girls -> Finish the Mission -> Get home".
Perfectly "logical", especially if you're a Teenager who's homesick and just a day or so before got pretty much violated and messed with (and yes Aniseya absolutely and entirely fucked up here... probably thought they'd be more concerned about Torbins overall state than "the mission") and probably had lasting, at least psychological, damage from that.
Why he's with them? Pretty sure this wasn't supposed to be a combat mission at all, just a survey of the planet, find out why its ecosystem has regenerated and get back... that is absolutely something that you would take your Padawan on perhaps indeed as his first Off-World Mission.
facts...and this dude says it doesnt add up when we see torbin is clearly having internal issues caused by the witches
Yes
Yeah both reacted too quickly and while the jedi like torbin and sol were out of balance and flawed due to their emotions clouding their judgment this also stirred the pot
I think some classic Star Wars fans have a built in misconception that is also shared in some aspects of Tolkien fans. They think Jedi are "perfect" balanced and pensive beings all the time. In reality, despite being able to connect with the force, they are still human (or whatever they are) and they have emotions and are fallible. Likewise, in Tolkien, people sometimes think elves are perfect and always good. However, especially if you've read all the books, Elves are quite capable of cruelty, malice, and being just plain a-holes.
Most Jedi are good or are at least trying. But they're not perfect and they are in an imperfect institution with a few blindspots.
Projection and head canon. If you try to project YOUR interpretation of what a classic mythos should or should not be then it is no longer part of the classic mythos. Why do you think those IP's are so popular to begin with? Why does Star Wars have a fanbase numbering in the tens of millions on Disney yet this show is in non-mans land, is not even charting anymore? Sure mess around and project all you like onto work more talented minds have built but all you'll get is failure.
@@CarlWheatley-wi2clWatch the later seasons of the Clone Wars and you’ll see how flawed the Jedi can become.
@CarlWheatley-wi2cl I'm speaking about Star Wars over its entire franchise. In the prequels, which George Lucas made himself, we have obvious signs of flaws in the Jedi. That's kind of the whole point of that trilogy.
What make star wars and tolkiens world so great is that it's aöl down to ones interpretation. Licas had hsi idea. The jedi were supposed to be balanced. And it's where öuke achieved and proved yoda and obi wan wrong when they said vader was lost and could not be turned to good. Cause they were taught that once in the dark side no turning back
No one truly believe jedi are spotless pure good. The council denying anakin is already a tell sign.the problem comes more from that as a general concept, the jedis supposed to he a force of good, despite the flaws in individual. In acolyte however, thetes not a single jedi that's like using their brain and does things towards a greater good.
I think Torbin was still very troubled from the witche fucking with his mind
I feel Torbin's actions make sense. He was homesick and wanted to be part of something more, something he felt was important. The latter being what many teenagers & young adults long for.
This answer to why Torbin took the Barrash Vow works very well, to me. His impatient, childish actions led to the death of an entire witch coven. Those last words probably should've been, "I thought I was doing the right thing."
Unless you've only seen The Phantom Menace and specific Clone Wars episodes, how does someone rationalize that Jedi Padawans never wine!? Anakin, Ahsoka, Ezra, and Luke all wined or complained at some point.
I like your personal example, Alan. These people want to tell me that they, or someone they know, has never been on an unpleasant trip (temporarily or the whole time) that they didn't want to be on and either kept silent to keep the happy vibes going, made it obvious for others to tell, or tolerated it up to a point.
I imagine Sol also probably worried him at least a little, Sol was so convinced they were in some sort of grave danger, so it absolutely makes sense that in the moment he'd see his actions as saving the 2 kids, finishing the mission, and potentially uncovering some dangerous plot by a dark witch coven.
it makes more sense if you think about it outside of just "he wants to go home", but as a whole. he doesnt just want to go home he clearly expected he would be doing more high profile missions. instead hes stuck in the middle of nowhere doing survey work for who knows how long. getting the girls does more than get him home it gets him recognition. he can see this as his way to finally get to do the "important" things he thought he would be doing. this moment could make his entire life going forward. remember he was told how incredibly important the vergence in the force is. if he provides the proof then it would show how valuable he is.
then factor in that he doesnt know what might happen next if he doesnt get the girls. will they just be stuck there for years. decades? will then be forced to abandon the planet and his time there mean nothing. would he be a failure? all that swirling with whatever influence was planted in his mind.
the fact he is so skilled at this point also suggests he thought his life and missions would be much more than just picking plants.
Good point I hadn't thought of...that it was not just getting to go home but a little bit of glory too. Not great Jedi traits either way. Which is why it went badly.
On top being a sign of his *expectations* of what his missions would be, his skill with his lightsbaer might also be the result of a *bias* in his training.
Yord is a fully-trained jedi knight from the same era, and his approach to every problem is to just strong arm his way through; he absolutely *brandishes* the force to intimidate the Trade Federation into telling him where Osha's room is on their ship, his plan for getting information from Qimir at the poison shop is for the others to surround the building so he can stroll in alone like an old west sheriff and arrest him. Indara, Torbin's master and primary mentor, mostly teaches him through reprimand and immediately resorts to *physically grappling* with Sol when they disagree with each other on the ship after the fire.
From what we've seen so far, Torbin's approach of "fuck it, let's just go in and take the girls" doesn't really seem too out of line with the other jedi's (notably excluding master Sol, Osha, and Jecki who would all be informed by Sol's experiences and teachings from the brendock mission) more forceful and authoritarian approach in this era, except that he broke ranks to do it on his own.
I’m still convinced there’s an unanswered part of the flashback. Like some third party, maybe Sith, who caused the explosion that destroyed the coven’s hideout. And who rescued Mae from her fall.
This story is being told in 3 perspective, I think.
1. EP 3 Mae/Osha. 2. EP7 Sol 3. EP8 The truth will be reveal here.
@@babytoshiro7014 the problem with more flashbacks in the last episode is the lack of time we have to resolve everything. osha is with the fallen jedi, who we still have no backstory on besides the vague non-answers from episode 6, sal and mae are on their way, green jedi woman and her apprentice are on forest planet looking for sal thinking hes the one who has done all this, we don't know who the fallen jedi's dark side master is, and we still haven't gotten the answer to the whole question of the acolyte, how do you kill a jedi without a weapon? They also need to clean this all up to ensure no jedi who later ends up on the jedi counsel or any jedi currently on the counsel knows the truth about what's going on.
If it ends with sal falling to the darkside and taking osha or mea as his apprentice and killing everyone else, that could answer some things. the counsel would think its a fallen jedi that did all this and no one could tell them otherwise, green jedi woman and her apprentice would also have to die. it would anwser the question how to kill a jedi without a weapon, make the fall.
Yes, there is definitely another perspective to be shown. But I don't think it's going to be possible to wrap everything u[ in a satisfying way in just one episode.
I feel like there has to be. Some Sith (I'm assuming Qimir) was there to witness the entire thing and it will be revealed in episode 8. If he wasn't there, how would Qimir know that Sol attacked an unarmed person before? How would he know that he was hiding things from Osha? How would he know Sol was unable to save Mae (he mentioned Sol and Mae being back where they started when he was about to kill her in episode 5)? The only other explanation, is that Mother Koril is either his mother or his Master.
@@edwxx20001 In Rashamon style flashbacks are shown to give us different perspectives of the unreliable narrator. As i said EP 8 will be the present.
The episode was a relief to me, because i was afraid they were going to make the Jedi the sole cause of the fire or something.
I think Torbin was obsessed with the head witch, who had gotten into his head.
Torbin's issue is very reminiscent of young Anakin's teenage angst causing the Republic to fall.
yeah i'm glad it was just like a confluence of bad decisions and fear from both sides. It fits with the theme of the show, real well. But maybe they should've made it more obvious that Torbin was losing it. After doing the edit, you can see it more clearly, but again most people aren't going through the footage like me over and over again
Honestly I was half expecting them to get an order 66 from the high council or something to that effect.
Based on what I've seen cause I've been rewatching the season over again, Qimir and Mae are trying really hard to push the narrative that the Jedi murdered the coven and started the fire, and their trying really hard to push that narrative on Osha almost to the point of forcing her to believe it, despite the fact Korils agenda was 1, gaslight Mae, 2 have Mae start a fire, 3 Show hostility to the Jedi who were simply on a SCOUTING mission, 4, make it look as if the Jedi threw the first punch, despite the fact that Aniseya wanted no conflict, and Sol attacked purely out of instinct confusion and self defense
@GenerationTech I personally liked the episode. I think it did a good job explaining the rest of the incident. I'm glad it wasn't all on the jedi and was more...realistic of the truth of a situation. There are usually multiple sides but the actual truth of the situation very rarely leaves anyone involved looking completely innocent.
Also did a good job of increasing the character development of Sol. It gave a more clear picture of him. At least i think. Anyways look forward to your next video. GOD bless.
Who knew stone and dry rock can catch fire and combust so fast from a broken lantern 😂
It’s said that Aniseya could get in your head and stay there. I feel that she messed with Torbins head amplifying his desires to the point where he couldn’t think straight. Just how Kelnacca was still plagued by images 16 years later
I was 18 when I was conscripted so yea Torbin's mood totally reflect my mood when I am on my 7th day of field camp, no shower, MREs, feeling the sweat stain between my butt cheeks coalescence into god know what...I just wanna go home
and this guys is exactly why i will refuse military service when they are doing it in germany again in the next years.
Then you get possessed by a witch who amplifies your desire to go home using dark side force magik and suddenly you see an opportunity to make your desire to go home a reality.
Hey bro here 🫂
But he's a master isn't he? That takes years and years
@@kirbycooper9496 Yes. 16 years is when we see his older self. People keep saying it's 6 but it's not.
good intentions, unforeseen consequences all around:
-Mother Aniseya just wanted to protect her children and coven, so she gets into Torbin's mind to try to get him and the jedi out of Brendok. Unfortunately he sees taking the twins as proof as his best bet for getting back to Coruscant.
-the other witches just wanted to protect themselves from the jedi who they thought had evil intentions, but in defending themselves they exacerbated the conflict
-Sol just wants to save Osha (and to a lesser extent, Mae), and this leads him to killing Aniseya
-Indara wants to save Kelnacca from the witches' mind hijacking, but in doing so she accidentally kills all of them.
-Mae just wanted to burn the book, and instead she burned the entire base :(
All around. Everyone F up.
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I think Torbin was traumatized from being possessed and overcome by fear. The dark side was effecting everyone on that planet, especially the Jedi who have never encountered the dark side.
Tobin: LERRROOOOY JENKINS!
Leroy Jenkins: Bro, what are you doing?
Exactly Torbin was such an interesting character to watch for me, and with all that went on it was very cool to see his personality come out more and more.
He will always be Tomn to me….. always
LLLEEERRROOOOYYY JENKINS
At least in this show, the Padawan's were brought not to a "Battlefield" but just out in the field. going to Kelnaka there was no suspicion of an Active Sith, and if they are doing Science no fight would be expected ... seems reasonable to bring Trained/Senior Padawan's would make sense. Younglings are still kept at Jedi Daycare
The mother got into torbin's mind and exploited his desire to go home. He wasn't in control of his actions. This did however, backfire on the mother.
Im not sure, because I did not fully understand their powers and why the girls were important to their society
@@mightellethe powers of contrived writing
@@budgiecat9039stop watching if the show triggers you so bad snowflake
Backfire on the mother, yes; planted an infectious idea, yes; the mother's end goal for these actions? To scare off the jedi? But she was gonna offer Osha anyway. Perhaps she should have just talked about it rather than mess with a padawans' adolescent needs/wants! Seems an odd approach to showing a rash decision that ultimately brings a lifetime of guilt & shame.
@sornreed I feel that was similar to a reservuar dogs moment, where a standoff goes horrible
Having a witch in your mind once isn’t a good thing the threads that bind are hard to remove from your mind because it will take pieces of your mind with it and mother of the coven is still there influencing your thoughts and emotions
The pacing is definitely the main issue I have with the show. Also, I am loving seeing so many yellow lightsabers, they're really beautiful.
yeah yellow's cool gives me like old republic battery pack saber vibes
@@GenerationTechDo you know why yellow lightsabers aren't a thing past the High Republic? I've searched about it but can't quite pinpoint the why.
Torbon was messed up from being possessed, his mind was violated. It was terrifying and I understood it to still be in effect. It drove the Wookie mad too.
PTSD is something viewers have come to dismiss in media. Torbin's mind was violated and his actions caused the death of dozens. You don't just shake it off.
I think of soliders with PTSD. A single incident can cause it, and we don't criticize them for not being strong enough to shake it off. Indeed, they usually get an medal.
2:42 “I appreciate the acolyte trying to do something new and not being just full of member berries, that’s a trap.”
Nice 😏😏😏😂
Poor Alan swimming against the current trying to stay positive. But we start seeing cracks in his positivity...
"Alan - yes yes - your anger is gooooood!
Feel the frustration...
Join the toxic Fandom..." lol
what do you think was he really that homesick or was it the witch magic?
I'd say it's homesickness remember at this point Master Torbin is a still a kid who's spent his entire life in the Jedi Temple and it's possible he'd rather be at home than on a strange planet with a bunch of witches.
He was meeting up with his mum on the sly. She needs her meds and he’s her only carer.
Considering that earlier Mae and Osha also have weak and mercurial motivations (Mae trying to backstab Sol, even though she could have done it in episode 5 when he was unconscious) I bet on being homesick, aka bad writing option.
But the galaxy only takes like 20mins to travel from one to the other. If he that homesick he could take the ship home and have his replacement back within the same 3hrs
I think its both. I think Torbin has issues and after the incident his PTSD kick in. No amount of mediation help him.
I spit out my drink when I saw the title. Lmao
Lmao the actual Leeroy Jenkins footage mixed in is a nice touch. Great video, Alan
Seems like being a jedi was a cool job at one point that over-recruited until the pool was diluted.
It happened with baristas, weed trimmers, brewers, etc..
I'm really enjoying the themes here regardless of the flaws
Fans have been calling for Keanu as Revan for years
Just like in real life a horrible thing happened because of misunderstanding based on fear and paranoia
Yep and nobody steps in to break the cycle because sol made the first mistake by not just entering the place on his own and then it went back and fourth between the 2 factions till it was tooo late because nonstop assumptions and aggro individuals destroyed both groups .
@@Crocthunder very sad but also very true
"the poorly lit side of the force... they got soup"..... LMAO🤣
You can say they laid the groundwork with torbin, but it's a little hard to do in only a half hour show. Yes, anakin was an inpatient pad one.But we also got a whole lot more time to understand the context of it
First he was bored on an empty planet and wanted to go home, then he was traumatized by the scary witch coven that lives on this empty planet and wants to go home even more. Torbin's actions make sense if you consider the fact that trauma can make people do some really stupid shit.
The Tobin Leeeeroy Jenkins thumbnail maybe me holler.
Yeah, the jedi threw Ahsoka into the Clone Wars when she was about 13. That's crazy
You had me at Torbine. Turbine? Torbin?
I think it made total sense that she got in Torbin's head, and amplified his desires to go home. And then i could easily imagine it caused life long damage to him resulting in him taking the Barash Vow, and ultimately taking his own life.
Same with Kelnacca going out on his own living as a hermit. He obviously had life long trauma as well with how he was obsessed with the witch symbols.
In a world of literal thousands of Jedi, I can believe this small group could have issues and do all they did, without damaging canon or how we see the Jedi in general.
I think its funny the mandalorians seem to have more respect for their kids than the Jedi do
I liked this episode, and didn't really mind Torbin's moment (I just figured he was mentally compromised). But even if I didn't like any of it, I would like it now that I hear Leeeeeeeroy!
Keanu Reeves and Sam Witwer ... probably my top fan pic for a Darth Bane Rule of Two mini-series
Keanu Reeves as Revan.
Just to be fair here there's not much indication that this is a combat mission. Really it's supposed to be a planetary survey which would be appropriate for a young Padawan.
I thought it's 'Leroy Jenkins' in live action immediately. Lol 😅
"I didn't hate episode 7. I actually liked a lot of things about it, but ultimately, it was kinda a let down." Alan, having flashbacks to TFA.
Excellent
Obi Wans face in that scene gets me every time it screams “what did I tell you, this was going to go very well”
If sarcasm is a path to the dark side then I’m a goner
The possession was meant to highten his desire to go home, I think it is an unfortunate consequence that it came out in actually confronting the witches again.
I feel like Torren attacking was an unexpected consequence of the mother enhancing his need to want to go home.
“I have, I’m just kind of an idiot.”
I feel absolutely seen.
For me this show is great for depicting on each episode, our modern life reality. This episode is the case study of an unchallenged institution (the jedi) meddling with family affairs and customs.
It had to be the magic messing with him. He was homesick and sullen before that, but he was still doing his job. He’s also someone that should have been weeded out by Jedi “boot camp” as too emotional, and just been given temple duty.
As a Star Wars fan and a WoW player I approve of this.
It makes sense to me . 7 weeks in a forest with no proper food , bed , bathroom . Yea I’m getting those kids and gettin the hell of the planet too . Remember everytime he ask indara when they can leave , she kept saying long long time .
Torbin making master actually makes sense to me. I’ve always felt that there are many paths to becoming a master of the Jedi arts; Torbin seems to have taken a more spiritual path with his devotion to the barash vow.
King Tommen really wanted to get back to the Red Keep and see Sir Pounce.
@ 13:35 the look on Torbin's face is exactly the same as Ewan McGregor's character Renton has at the start of Trainspotting when he locks himself in his room to get off junk, then he looks in the mirror and kinda goes on autopilot & decides he needs just one more hit to get him through!
The one word title 💀😭
I just wanna thank you for the best laugh I've had in a LONG TIME! Although I can faintly recall the Leroy Jenkins reference many years ago, I had to youtube it to refresh my memory. And I swear, I painfully shot my drink out my nose, and cried real tears. But uhh...yeah...that's exactly what the hell Torbin did.
oh yeah spike was a real thing and a pain in the ass
torbin wasn't thrown onto the battlefield. bro was on a camping trip and decided to attack a nearby settlement. also how is he a child? the actor is the same as amandla, 16 years later he looks like he's 50 with 3 kids
I do like episode 7 of the Acolyte it does paint it less Jedi as bad guys and more as the good guys who land themselves into an emberising tragic misundersanding while Torbin overly homesick brat. The witches did have the right to worry about Jedi but they should have reached out to the Jedi let them know they were there too and ask what they were doing while misleading them help. The witches had a near prefect hand playing but they folded because they were in favor of the prefect 21 blackjack hand.
I don’t do gambling so please don’t get on my back if i am wrong, my point is the Jedi do share some of blame it is the witches who were mostly at fault for what happened and this what happens when let fear control actions even if it is justified fear.
@@thomasparque7834 Well its equal blame because Sol was overly protective of the twins which he knew little about. And just went overboard.
If we ever get an origin story for Yoda I vote Laurence Fishburne to play Yoda’s master.
“Adventure? Ha! Excitement? Ha! A Jedi craves not these things.”
On Obi-Wan's backstory, fanfic leans into Legends and the Jedi Apprentice novels about Obi-Wan's youth. He had his issues, but also suffered quite a bit of trauma too.
I reminded of Diablo 4 and Inarius as he and Torbin both have the same basic motivation, the current situation they’re in sucks to the point they will do anything to just go home. With Inarius we get the whole dialogue diolog of just how shit it’s been for him, with Torbin he been board for seven week doing mindless chores for no know reason. Yea it suck’s, but it not like we got some scenes or explanation that being on Brendock is misery to the point of extreme desperation.
I actually really dug this episode. Kalnacca using his claws in a fight was not a thing i was expecting to see. I expect he was incredibly ashamed when he came too, being a MadClaw would cause a wookie to go into exile.
Torbin fucking up so bad he went into a forever meditation. I would too if i was him.
i mean he didn't really scratch him as much as palm his face i feel, i feel like he should get a pass on that, its not like he purposely did it. I wonder if that's why he exiled himself ultmiately?
@@GenerationTech Thats what i got from it, even if it was unintentional.
Using your claws in a fight is a big No No for wookies. Its the ultimate shame.
In isolation it was an interesting look at unexpected consequences, but it wasn't really linking well with the rest of the series and didn't deliver any shocking revelation to justify the out of chronology story telling.
Heck, it may have been a better series with the 2 flashbacks as the pilot then 16 yr jump to the bulk of the series.
I think the reason for "alone time out in the woods, don't send people his way" is because the dude might be dealing with a coven of freakin Witches that were stuck in his spirit.... the doodles were probably a relapse and loss of his control over his own body... imagine living that kind of existence.... 24/7 having to supress a coven stuck in your mind that are lost to their bodies just as they are lost to each other?
@@ForestRaptor thats a cool concept tbf.
EP 7 is about both sides messing up; i also think Torbin is supposed to represent the people who immediately thought that Osha and Mae are breaking canon because of their birth. I have a feeling we still dont have all the pieces
Perfect Thunbnail! Well done.
Everyone needs to learn how to braid a wookie's hair. I imagine it would be very cathartic for everyone involved.
Good luck trying to get Zaalbar to get his hair braided 😂
I think Aniseya used Torbin's desire to go home against him, all she wanted was for the Jedi to leave them alone. This is why Torbin acted so rashly. I think her being inside his head also contributed to him taking the barash vow. And the experience with the witches also clearly fucked with Kelnacca's psyche.
Very first of all, thank you Alan for your video, insightful as usual.
Regarding "sending children to war zone", my POV is that this mission is never expected to be a "fighting" one, not even an adventurous one. It is more like a high-school student biology/anthropology field trip: you collect samples, draw illustrated pictures and diagrams of the environment, record observations on behavior, answers queries and little quiz from your teacher from time to time, and have some taste of wild camping, that's it.
The reason I used such analogy is that discovering vergence and potential force-sensitive being or force phenomena is one of the "routine" jobs of a Jedi Knight. It is almost one of the core tasks of Jedi: "collecting potential younglings, and for those too old to be trained, take a note and pay attention from afar for just in case". So every Jedi padawan should have experienced the entire procedures and even finish one on one's own (as part of the graduation examination).
Hence, from the very beginning, none of the members in the group had ever expected to have a violent encounter, not to mention battling and duelling and even killing other live beings.
Torbin's homesick is nothing special. Apparently he was born and raised in a "metropolitan" area and never used to wilder areas. And he should have already known this mission is no more than a "boring mandatory field class" to practice some very basic Jedi procedures/routines. Just like any teenagers he is simply bored and felt inconvenient at an unfamiliar environment.
And even the Jedi master and knights there were never prepared to face such an encounter. But it shouldn't be matter because there were Jedi codes to follow. It won't be the first encounter Jedi had in over a millenium, and won't be the first forceful and violent one. Standard protocol is not to interfere another ethnic group, and without their consensus as well as High Council order they should simply leave the planet for good,. Had Master Sol not jumped the gun, this trip should ha ended in a peaceful retreat with notes sent to Jedi temple.
Should be noted. They weren't even going to leave. They were told to avoid the cult, but otherwise had to stay and find the vergence.
Its possible that going to the washroom in the woods got to him... heck maybe he stepped in wookie doodoo one too many times in the last 7 weeks... 😮
omg yeah i forgot wookies are like carnivores too, probably eating all sorts of new animals and bugs lmao
His using the force and doesn't need toiletpaper.
Keanu Reeves and Hugo Weaving in a future Star Wars project? Hmmm...🤔
hugo weaving would also be invited for sure
Torbin was still under the witches control the entire time until the witches died. However, while Anasaya was alive, the core command she planted in his mind was an obsession to leave the planet. The obsession died when she did, but the aftermath of Brendok haunted Torbin the rest of his life.
We don’t know what Tobin discovered during his 6 year turn from padawan to Master. Whatever he found may have sent him into the Barash Vow for his guilt and to allow Mae’s pain to feel seen by at least one Jedi from Brendok. His apology was for all 4 of them, but he is the only one that took direct responsibility for what happened.
Indara doesn’t take responsibility, we don’t know if Kelnacha would have or not because of his premature death at the hand of the stranger, and Sol hasn’t taken responsibility as of yet either.
Mae knows what happened but Osha doesn’t. It’s not Mae that needs to hear his confession, but Osha. I theorize that Osha heard everything he said to Mae because of the helmet. Since she’s locked out the outside world, and her force sensitivity is returning, I suspect that it’s her wearing the mask as she goes after Sol. In the trailers we hear a monologue about “you killed my sisters” that we have yet to see. That’s one of my prediction for episode 8.
Theories:
Osha will be fighting the Jedi whilst wearing the mask. Perhaps it’s Mae that stops Osha from going full on Sith. Perhaps she and Sol come to an understanding about Brendok. She knows what she did, what Torbin and Sol did, but she may not have known that it was Master Indara that killed the rest of the Coven when she pulled Kelnacha out of the possession. I don’t think we’re gonna get more of Qimir’s back story. We should get the full story of the twins creation but it will probably be through one of the Jedi or Qimir telling Osha how she and Mae were created and why they were created. I’m hoping we get Qimir telling us the story or even Mother Koril. We didn’t see her body, so she’s not dead.
Mae was probably on Dathomir with Koril and the Night Sisters the remainder of her youth. After she became an adult, she could’ve left the witches on her own to pursue revenge against the Jedi. I doubt Mother Koril would have a problem with Mae pursuing her revenge. Or maybe the night sisters didn’t want Mae around the coven any longer. Perhaps they saw her as a problem that would bring the Jedi to Dathomir or maybe Mae’s aggression towards the other coven members may have gotten her exiled. Maybe she met Qimir there or he was present the night of the ascension. Somehow I don’t think he has anything to do with the twins creation. I think he’s pulled the truth from Mae’s mind. That’s why he knows so much.
I think we will get more on Vernestra and Mog’s shenanigans. We’ll get to meet the Senator that’s got a hard on for the Jedi. That Senator is going to be Darth Plagueis.
I saw it as the witches worked on a weak link in the team, got into his head, made those desires and fears greater, to the point he unthinkingly goes on his raid, which is almost what the sisters wanted to escalate.
Torbin’s behavior is exactly what happens when someone is in the clutches of a malignant narcissist and does not have the mental strength to resist the mind f they are laying down.
How dare you victim blame Harvey Weinstein's victims like that
Exactly! The whole cult is following the malignant narcissist that is Aniseya. She's gathered these disaffected weak force sensitive, around herself, filled them with stories of a different kind of force to make herself seem special to them, isolated them far away to make them dependant on her. Messed with dark side force powers she didnt understand much less control properly and when confronted led her whole cult to their deaths. She's Jim Jones and she got them all to drink the purple koolaid. She mind r@ped torbin and traumatized him so badly that he wasn't ever able to recover from it and killed himself
@@budgiecat9039dude you sound weird. Stay away from critical grifter.
@@babytoshiro7014 I'm not weird I'm cool 😎
Also don't try to gaslight. It's not snuggly.
Also what? Lol way to project. Seems like that guy lives in your head rent free 😂
@@budgiecat9039 you keep bringing up the same thing as if you care or that you were finger**. Either file a suit or stop projecting your insecurities... and also take your meds, bro
To be fair, Tobin wasn't supposed to be a "battlefield". He was very homesick and maybe not ready for the mission. Love the Leroy Jenkins reference!
Andara and Sol's conflict was interesting and shows there is no "one size fits all" way to train padawans.
Torbin having immense power but lack maturity. He was not ready. This is one of the drawbacks to Jedi teachings and has been seen before.
I actually think it's funny how many lessons are in this episode from each side:
Mother Aniseya could have not been so quick to try and destabilize the Jedi's united force by attacking their weak link. She didn't realize she would come to the decision to let Osha join.
Sol wants a destiny so bad he screw it up by overreaching for what the Force would have provided anyway. His instincts were spot on but he tried to Alter it and that's what leaves him the screwed-up state he is now.
Indara is trying to be the cool and aloof mentor and has a clear disinterest with emotional connection she is always fighting because of the Jedi code and that ultimatey leads her to make the mistake of assuming that tough love and strict reinforcement would work on Torbin. In a way she doomed him too.
Torbin is just the prime example of a dream killer for anyone who wishes they grew up in the Star Wars universe and got to be a Jedi. He shows us it takes the SMALLEST misstep such as homesickness to remind us why attachment is forbidden and why Jedi are supposed to never truly have a 'home'. The Force is home.
Kelnacca is awesome and powerful and really hate their decision not to translate his Shyriiwook so I can get ANY INSIGHT into him. He's a Wookie Jedi. Like the official third of all time and as such it would be interesting to see how he compares his thoughts on the Force with the others or even his boredom in the moment.
As Bombastic has pointed out. This might be someone's first introduction to Star Wars. We live in a time where one's first experience can be so many different Star Wars.
I like this idea. I think it is good for the franchise.
The only jedi Keanu should portray is Revan.
i want to see him break the internet and only play an unnamed stormtrooper.. just to see the outrage..lol
I'd be Ok with Exar Kun as well
YASSSS !! I second that !
No Keanu Reeves should not play Revan they should find someone else someone new a nobody
@@dougthepriestmusgrave5343 The Mysterious Stranger!
This poor Tommen actor, this is the second role I’ve seen him “sign out early.”
i mean he made it too a much older age this time at least
@@GenerationTech haha yeah! That’s a good point! lol
Still feeling the Vergence was effecting them all. Even Soul was acting almost desperate to 'save' the girls.
I enjoyed this episode. For young very well fit skilled boy "space cop" in his robes who is probably in the center of attention from females on Coruscant. Having to spend 7 weeks on desolate planet must be a nightmare. Yes he is very similar to Anakin in episode 3.
At least to me .
Also he made his loneliness sacrifice afterwards becuse thats the oposite of what he wanted before .
"A lot of Padawan don't get to survive their Get Scared Straight moment"
We saw this earlier in the show.
*cough cough*
Jecki
0:01 Alan's new renting room looks more nicer than the last one.
It's odd how all these different homes on all these different planets across the galaxy have the exact same window/table/mirror layout tho.... o.O
That's where the 180 million went lol (I'm kidding)
I never thought id be living through prequel drama all over again , when leslye said its inspired by ep1 I didnt think everything 😤
I do think that what some people already said it makes Torbins later suicide in the early episodes much more believable. The guy had over a decate to reflect over that he (in his mind) probably killed over 50 people due to his impatience and his initiative. And if the whole thing got covered up, who had he to talk with to ease his conscience and deal with the trauma? Noone, because that would break the covering up and lead to even more trouble. So Torbin was stewing in his own guilt and the further cocktail of emotions for 16 years, no wonder he took the easy way out once Mae offered it.
I don't think he would have otherwise killed himself though. When she showed up with a mission to kill him that was the game changer. Decided to take that into his own hands...not just to control his own destiny but lets her off the hook technically for his death.
@@sleinadb I do agree on that, absolutely.
Whos actually enjoying the show cuz i am
You recruit 18 year olds because if you wait till they’re in their mid 20s they’ll have wives, children, and careers. If you’re going to risk dying early, better to do it before you have a wife and kids.
Exactly! Plus it gives them discipline so that they have older soldiers teaching them consequence before they mess up their lives on their own. :)
Torbin was traumatized and wasn't thinking clearly. He literally got possessed by a witch.
I likely would have clicked and watched the video regardless, because you put out solid material that isn't overwhelmed with divisive takes, but the LEEROY! reference in the thumbnail guaranteed I clicked. 😅😅
The episode was realistic to me
Literally everyone F' up in this ep, Both sides can share the blame from Torbin to Master Indara to Sol.
From Mother Aniseya to her coven. I can't blame the kids because they are just kids. The adults really messed up.
It felt like truly something that could happen irl , just assumptions constant assumptions between people tears it all apart
@@babytoshiro7014 100%agree
@@Crocthunder yup the episode shows us why we shouldn’t assume.
@@dominicbroome9381 This I agree. Now we know why ST has the prime directive.