I recently spent 2-3 weeks playing with this exact combo, and came to the conclusion that it's really not worth it unless you enjoy emotional pain 😄 In the end, I just tuned the most I could out of it, without any major curve voltage changes. The performance is within spitting distance, and you the won't want to eat your own head anymore. Oh and re the not posting after too many setting changes with eclk, my board does exactly the same.... BUT if I leave it a minute, hold the power button down (to force shutoff), count to 5 in my head and power up again... it will POST with the settings I entered (many thanks to Gigabyte for making me waste 2 weeks finding this out, much appreciated 👍)
*Edit, Board developed a defective bios, randomizing bios options. Same motherboard, 7950x3D, I managed to squeeze out 37k vs 35k in R23, after a delid, FCLK@2200 and Mem@6400, VDDIO, VDDG @ 1.2v, SoC Auto, -12 CO (at the cost of light workload crashes) Managed a timespy world record, when paired with a 3080ti, water temp at ~25c. All thanks to Buildzoids Ryzen 7000 coverage
Got 37800 on my 7950x3d in R23 Cinebench just on 360 aio. 2100 fclk 6000 mem, scalar x10, pbo on, +200 override, VC - 40 on core 0-7 and -45 on core 8-15. Stable for last 3 weeks on these settings. Some cores boost up 5350mgz and ccd1 core go up to 5900 mhz
I want to mention, that the -12 CO applies to the 3D Cache cores, and I run -17 on the non-3d cores. Judging by the fact that I can never boot anything below -20, im thinking my core silicon isnt that great, but mem silicon is. But im not really sure, theres alot of "trying to hit a moving goal" with this gen. It boosts to ~5ghz on non-3d and 4.950 on 3d-cores
i have 7800x3d with EXPO, -30 Curve, PBO 85 and thermal throttle limit is to 85c. I have tested in Cinabench r23 for 30min, and i get 18143 with core max temp on 70.2c and a powerdraw at 87W. I go for low power and low temp with better performance than stock. I could prob min max more, but it took 2min to change, and i havent had a single bsod at all.
I've been wanting you to do a video on the 7000 series ECLK for months! I have been using the ASUS X670E Hero since launch day for my 7950X and (knock on wood) it's been a fantastic board thus far. The ECLK is a feature that I've been interested in using but I am an amateur when it comes to the ECLK so I'm beyond glad you posted this. This is a huge help even though the bios layout is different, the actual feature is the same. You are the man!
@@dmanpoole I ended up leaving it as default without OCing eCLK. After the most recent bios updates, stability and performance is solid with the 7950X/2x32GB Hynix with the X670E Hero.
Your indecision about AM5 board with eCLK could be a very interesting video. Lot o ppl have this same question. In your last AM5 board video you focused in IO. I know lot's of things about these board are overkill, but when you are shopping for a board that should last 2-3 gens overkills today could be the required in the future
Yes, you are correct. Overkill might be what's needed in the future. Like my AM4 X570i, its not relaly an overkill board, but it was quite good. I have run 4 CPUs on it, but it will end its life on 5950X.. I cant kindof justify swapping 5950X for 5800X3d, since 5800x3d costs as much as 7800x3d in Norway. So then if course I also dont want to loose the productivity cores. So I am building either 7950X or 7800X3d, 48 Gb 8000 MHz RAM, Asus X670E Gene board, RTX4090
X3D CPUs making OCing redunant beyond what manufacturer boosting algorithms are already acheiving. Suffice to say what's being delivered to consumers is cutting edge tech out of the box.
but for the lower clocking X3D CPUs I would rather have an option for overclocking. It would be better to have a locked voltage setting and an open multiplier instead. The 5700X3D, for example, has a 10% lower turbo clock.
Love buildzoid, but have to weigh in with my tons of hours curve optimizing a 7800x3D and recently fiddling with eclock. Most Import factor, at least for gaming, are temps. Taking doom eternal, I basically get 200-300mhz more and sticking to 5.050 mostly all the time, curve optimized on a custom loop than on the peerless assassin with Noctua Fans and curve optimized. Second important factor is, not to go too low on curve optimizing. Hard to detect, but clock-stretching is real and you will see drops in benchmarks and games which can stunt performance. Running per core negative offsets ranging from 25 to 32 depending on core.
The 13600k gotta be like the only current gen cpu that's strongly worth overclocking. Ive got mine at 56x4, 55 all core, 45 all core ecore and 50 on the ring which is +400-500mhz on the pcores +600mhz on the ecores and +500mhz on the ring. With that + a 6400 oc on the ram from 5600 and pretty tight timings on my favourite game to use as a cpu benchmark being valorant, I went from 750fps in the range to about 900fps comparing stock + xmp vs ocd cpu and ram.
While the clock uplift can look good, it's important to do a baseline benchmark where you look at average clock speed and check how often it throttles. Then you do an OC and you do new benchmarks, look at scores + average clock speeds and how often it throttles. The thing is that modern CPUs and GPUs are boosting the cores and this boosting ceiling while can be lifted, when you are gaming you are pumping heat into the GPU, into the CPU and you have a heat soak in a lot of components that can reduce your real life performance of your hardware. You can of course do 3dmark runs etc. but if you do, remember to use the newer and more demanding tests that utilize your CPU and GPU to their limits.
Probably lower ambient temp/better airflow/better cooling solution. My 7900X hits thermal limits way before any others, so my scores have been trending downwards since the end of winter as my apartment is getting warmer. That quick peak to 5.x GHz doesn't really do much except make the CPU hit 95C, it's what is sustainable for the other 90% of the run that drives the score.
@@giantnanomachine Could be, but then again... i got AC turned on for most of the day, and I also got the D15 (Noctua, air cooler) It should be able to handle my CPU, cus its like 70W-80W max. It could be the case, but that one is also pretty decent
The question if it actually makes a difference to OC a Ryzen system is easy, it’s not. The build in boost algoritme is already close to be optimal, and really stability is more importent.
Actually a true statement. I have had some good results with tweaking bios but ultimately the Ai Optimizer makes the best balances between power/performance+stability overall. And you dont even have to observe and report. Just use your system as needed and let the little robot do its job.
It is actually effective for me. I am using this cofiguration to my 7950x with asus tuf gaming b650+ which is relatively cheap motherboard, and it works great. This is my configuration: BCLK:107.125, Memory CLK:5999MHZ, CL28 at 1.4v, CO -10, fmax -550MHz, temp limit to 70C with dual tower AK620 air cooler. My result is shockingly great. Just look at this: CB R23 37600 at 70C, power usage under 120W in comparison with stock setting CB R23 36500 at 95C, power usage near 200W. My system is not always stable but this cofiguration is worth it.
Thank you for this testing! The X3D CPU’s are great for simulators. Being a long time overclocker I was wondering if this feature was viable in a reliable system. Bring on more USB 3 type A ports! 😂
I think cinebench defaults to low priority because if you have it set to anything else and try to look at hwinfo64, aida, or something else it will freeze up. Having cinebench set to a lower priority makes it so you can watch the sensors closer to real time. Does positive offset still work on curve optimizer with x3d CPUs? I thought they locked that down as well?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like if I'm planning a 7800X3D build and the only "overcloking" I plan to do with it is enabling PBO and EXPO, I don't need to stress out about the ECLK generator?
Well, sounds like the small performance improvement isn't worth the hours spent testing it for stability, at least not on the 7800X3D that's voltage limited. I think the ASRock B650E tai chi has an external clock gen, so I may have to give it a whirl at some point with the 7700X I have in it and see if it ends up being worth the hassle. On the one hand, I kinda miss the days of X79 where like you said you could wring out a whole extra 1GHz out of a chip easily, but on the other hand, it's because the manufacturers are already wringing out the majority of the performance headroom of their chips from the factory, and have basically done all the work for us, so I'm kinda ok with that.
Definitely an interesting approach, but yeah I would never run that daily. Also +$150 is kinda painful for a second clock gen and a few bios settings :/... I get there's probably some weird stuff going on in the mobo but 100% doesn't seem worth it. Thanks for the breakdown though!
Where is the Gigabyte B650E/X670E Tachyon? I have heard this talked about for ages but i dont see any listing or price. Even at Computex there were no prototypes. It sucks that there are so few 2 DIMM boards for AM5. Most are either A620 or mITX. Can someone please make a proper ATX 2DIMM board focused on memory OC with 10+ USB ports and 3+ M.2 slots? With 48GB sticks now available i could run 96GB on two slots. Soi i feel like for most people 4 slots are a waste unless you really need more than 96GB.
It is strange that you gain less than 1% between stock and -25 all cores CO in CBR20 I think you have clock stretching with +200MHz override. Did you try +50MHz instead ?
Everything I do with my 7800x3d, doesn’t really seem to do anything. After horsing around for a month, I’m back to expo on , some memory timing adjustment(Hynix timings in the bios, ddr5-6000 at 6200) and left it, and just game, with zero issues, crashes or issues, so I’m fine with it. Edit - ASUS x670e-e
ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F - 1709 R7 7800X3D Running BCLK 105 w/ LLC: 4 If higher than LLC4 it’s unstable. Single core is improved over stock Multicore is slightly improved Temps are improved as well.
It makes sense to overclock the kooked to the limit even at the factory. The CPU manufacturer, on the other hand, needs to sell a new product more than once to unfortunate overclockers.
I have a question: Can I overclock it using ELCK on a B650E mobo? (Asus ROG B650E-E to be specific) Or ELCK is a high-end feature that only supported on X - motherboards?
Yes……my observations also. Both CO and ECLK overclocking pretty much useless when you take the time involved into consideration. Time could be spent tuning ram timings instead and giving higher gains overall. Also, what works well for a day or so may just crash in a couple of weeks due to variable conditions (ambient temp, etc, etc, etc). What works in my basement may crash in your micro-environment.
As someone who has spent faaar too much time dialing in per-core CO on a 7900X - I fully agree. Ryzen 7000 really only seems to benefit from just throwing ALL the cooling at it so it doesn't thermally limit early, but messing with voltages or frequencies doesn't do all that much. The CPU will decide what it thinks is the best it can do at 95C anyway, and then just sit there. I'm still too scared to delid mine though.
So for a CBR20 there isn't much gain, but how would this help in games that benefit from cache AND clock speed. It would be interesting to see what you could get with that sort of a test subject.
Hi there, really great explanation, did not get till the end yet. Though I can see that my CPUID HWmonitor gives me 5325MHz with simply tweaking EXPO profile. Is there a chance that if I find ECLK on my tuf e670 to have further overclocking?
Expo should have little to no influence on CPU boost. It is specifically for memory overclocking………which “Expo” and “XMP” are…..memory overclocks. Like BZ says……it’s not worth the effort for the small performance gains realized and stability issues that can arise. Better off spending time tuning those “Expo” memory timings. If your X3D chip is boosting that high and it’s stable, leave it alone.
We are now getting 5% uplift on OC for CPUs, looking into the future it's about to go lower. We will be on that red line cause Moore's law is almost over, vertical transistor stacking won't do much when we are already on that red line.
Well its a toy for all but the 3D chips but is needed for 3D chips for a static fixed manual all core overclock cause multiplier is locked unlike the non 3D chips. SkatterBench says you can do eCLK overclocking can be done by disabling PBO and it is a fixed overclock.
Well actually manual overclocking even with that almost impossible. Though any overclocking except curve optimizer is locked on 7800X3D. Even PBO is locked though curve optimizer is part of PBO but increasing limits to get more voltage or higher clocks does nothing on newer BIOS versions. I suppose on right board with PBO somehow enabled or curve optimzier, an ECLK is a good thing to have if you want more than 5050MHz as CPU is locked to that. though that is almost artificial as 7950X3D 3D cache CCD can go to 5250MHz max boost. And only way to get that with 7800X3D is with eCLK
I had good luck with boosting the bclk up to 113 or 114 and putting a per core boost limit so it doesn’t go unstable. Edit: this was on my gene. At best I could get 5.25ghz all core in cinnebench. I have a delid with thermal pad and should try Liquid Metal.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I am running with bclk 107, effective clock 5.05ghz ish all core. This gives 13900ish in cr-23. highest I could get it was 14220 at bclk 113. I had stability issues elsewhere and it was a pain to tune. This was 5.25ghz effective core. Are you thermal limited or voltage limited? I have lots of thermal headroom but can’t seem to do anything to get more voltage.
Idk about y'all but I turned off precision boost and core performance boost and turned up CPU clock ratio to 54.00 and upped the voltage to maybe 1.2 and ran cinebench and got a 5.4 overclock with my noctua cooler at 80 - 81.5 degrees celsius with no crashed or anything
Pushing PBO negative curves may look good on Cinebench, but can also make games stutter IME. I think with AMD, the best we can do for a stable system is to just work on memory timing.
A tune might pass a stability test and still affect gameplay negatively. Because if the system is generating errors but is still stable (not crashing), it might affect gameplay. I only play Star Citizen and that’s a notoriously buggy game being in alpha. Pushing CPU, memory and GPU to the max will degrade the game experience. I leave my system stock now. I only use the recommended XMP timings for my memory and that’s it.
Run CPU and GPU intensive benchmark tools such as 3DMark, Cinebench, and Geekbench. Stress tested the system with OCCT and Prime95. And, after everything looks stable, played the game for long periods of time. Game won’t crash and frame rate is stable, but feels less smooth and will stutter more than untuned.
Those two prime results going down is strange. It's almost like changing the external clock is causing a desynchronization in the memory subsystem that is hurting performance. How was the memory latency?
I don't have an ECLK oc board, but with a 7800x3d im running full system BCLK of 102 and a PBO curve optimizer all core of -26. I get 5.15ghz in memtest, 4.95 in cinebench and somewhere in between for gaming. Get a decent bump to memory too (6120 MT/s vs 6000)
The MSI b650 P. Wi-Fi came with my 7800X 3D and 32 gigs of 6,000 CL36 flare X5 for 469 at Microcenter and it supports BCLK overclocking. It's running currently at 104.5 24 7
Hello everyone, I’m a first time pc builder and I have a question. I’m buying a r5 7600x this gen and for my next upgrade, I’m planning to get the next generatiom brother of the 7800x3d. The motherboard I’m getting is MSI B650 GAMING PLUS, it has 12 phase 75A. Do you think this board will be good enough?
i assume all this stuff is locked out to prevent overheating the v-cache? is it truly that sensitive? I want to get a 7800x3d but I don't want to lose the spice of dailying an OCed box
Certain high-end mobos will allow you to oc it properly (the Master does not do this), such as the Ace and the Hero, which allow for asynchronous eClk and then it reveals two bClks; you would change the frequency of only bClk2 (not bClk1), and that will affect only the cpu freq. Hope this is helpful. BTW, what mobo are you getting or do you have?
Thought you knew positive fmax offset dont work on the 7800x3d buildzoid.. On dual CCD 7900x3d and 7950x3d +fmax offset only affects the clockspeed on "frequency-CCD" (non v-cache dies) Your "+200mhz" does nothing in this comparison.. Its only negative fmax offset that works on v-cache CCD's
Great video with very similar results to what I've concluded after days of tinkering with the settings. The only thing I am still currently looking into are the Windows Powerplans. There seems to be more headroom for performance depending on the settings you access through Power Settings Explorer.
Is it possible to damage RAM with ECLK OC? I had 1 DIMM die the other day, got that replaced and yesterday was trying it again and like teh PC crashed, got back into the bios and only showed 16GB of RAM. Luckily a CMOS reset fixed that but I'm a bit confused as to what is happening. Any help is welcome.
So what i understood my oc works as i thought ... I got 7600x that easilly works at 2200 flck but cant even work stable at stock bios voltage and after long testing i set mine to positive CO 17 to reach 5500 MHZ. With that i lose multi core scores but single scores are better. I guess for gaming its still better solution ... ? Cinebench r23 multi score around 14900 and single 1980+-
This makes me feel slightly better about buying a MSI Carbon Wifi assuming a board of its price, with the next board up being completely overkill. Not having all overclocking features for the platform is wild to me. Intentionally withholding a feature in MSI's case. Disappointing at best.
My 7900 has -30 undervolt step in curve and +200 max turbo in pbo. I wish there was an easy way to just make the turbo +400 with positive curve. Currently my core voltage is 1.2V at turbo.
I set BCLK to 102 so i can run my mem at 6324MHz. 6400MHz has not been stable with reasonable voltages. CO -21, bellow -22 immediately crash in OCCT. but after all I still can't beat 405 Gflops in linpack.
My motherboard gigabyte B6 50 elite ax ice does not have this eckl setting in the motherboard bios. Is it named something different for this motherboard? I tried to follow along with video, but got stuck on that part.
my cpu really sucks, my 7800X3D CO-30 score is ~7300, basically your stock (and most test sites stock score) well in games its always 5.05 GHz so I guess it doesnt matter
I’ve got 2 different 7950X3D CPUs, both over clock really well… However, I’ve had nothing but nightmares with RAM. I’ve got 3 sets of really good DDR5, and I’ve had issues with them all on both CPUs. Not sure if it’s memory controller or RAM related at this point.
Did you try newest bios? Are your RAM kits QVL listed for your mainboard? If they are not QVL; you might have to tamper with voltage settings. Also: are you running 2 sticks of RAM?
Wasn't that SOC voltage over 1.30v? AMD and mobomakers should have that locked down now on new BIOSes. Older AGESA allowed something like 1.4 volts and IIRC some mobos ran at that voltage. I did not hear BZ mentioning SOC at all. So it shouldn't be an issue, either way.
@@MrPunkassfuck In this case if you use the CO on positive curve you add more voltage on SoC mainly during heavy loads when the boost works. For AMD Precision Boots there's no -200, this is just a way to set the minimum boost that is 25. My doubt is if ECLK have any impact on VID or Core voltage overall> Regarding the updates, some updates had work fine but another ones like ASRock and ASUS still have problems and in some cases still push the voltage limit further 1.4. Anyway was just my doubt. I have one and would like to hear from yours that have more experience using ELCK. Personally I've never used but I think a interesting method for OC. I don't know about the safety.
Considering it's locked at 5050mhz, your not doing anything. If you change PBO and do Curve Optimizer you can get it to report like 5300mhz but it's not really doing it. Only certain application report real clock speed, other are reporting false clocks.
Is coil whine proportional to FPS output and/or over volting of a GPU ?. There are so many reports of GPU's with loud coil whine that I'm wondering what card OEM's to avoid.
Coil whine is when certain power filtering components resonate at an audible frequency. This isn't related to performance or fps, this is related to just components used and the size and number of things like chokes. Louder cards may not have done mitigations to dampen or avoid whine, like more filtering or if the size of the component is causing it they may be able to change the size and number and get inaudible whine instead.
I’m not sure how but I’ve got my x3d past 6mhz it seemed to always hit above 5 easily. I thought something might be wrong so I removed all the overclocking but never had an issue with our without it
Without eclk and bclk, the 7800x3d will only hit 5050 MHz. What are your settings and how many cores are hitting 6GHz (I assume you meant GHz and not MHz).
Hero, Apex, Ace that I know of. When you select asynchronous for eCLK, those boards will then show 2 different bCLKs; the second one (bCLK2) adjusts only the cpu frequency (nothing else). That's the one you want to adjust... 104, 107, etc. Leave the first bCLK at 100.
Iam looking at the MSI 670E Carbon that doesnt have external clock generator, iam not planing to overclock the 7800x3d guys think its worth paying 130€ more for the Asus Hero 6070E to be future proof?
@@RKBenchmarker What are you talking about? This isn't intel. AM5 will probably be around another 4 Years. But yeah, i wouldn't stress about the ECLK either., X670E Hero User -> ECLK Boost doesnt work anymore. Stays to 5050 after BIOS Updates
@@Juliensfanboyy Yeah, you're right, I'm bouncing between systems and had Intel on my mind at the time lol. If he is not going to OC or use its other upgrades, the carbon is fine. However, the eclk asyn and bclk2 work fine. I had a WR CB23 7800x3d record with it on HWBot; 2nd place now... I'll have to work on that ;) 5050MHz will be the max you can get without using the eclk/bclk2.
@@Juliensfanboyy The boosts will never be sustained at 5.7Ghz, they're just short term until the temp rises enough. These chips top out at 4.7Ghz sustained boost with regular coolers, but can go higher with good coolers, but you're never going to get a sustained 5.7Ghz, even with great coolers. The point I was making was mine boosts to 5.3Ghz sustained, on all cores.
Not liking this Gigabyte X670 AORUS ELITE AX Gaming Desktop Motherboard AM5 motherboard at all. It won't recognize any of my Corsair Vengeance or Dominator RAM and halts on a red RAM error led. So far my experience with AM5 and DDR5 RAM has been 100% BAD. No video, no beep, nothing. Not tyring to overclock anything, just trying to get it to boot to a BIOS screen for the first time.
I recently spent 2-3 weeks playing with this exact combo, and came to the conclusion that it's really not worth it unless you enjoy emotional pain 😄 In the end, I just tuned the most I could out of it, without any major curve voltage changes. The performance is within spitting distance, and you the won't want to eat your own head anymore. Oh and re the not posting after too many setting changes with eclk, my board does exactly the same.... BUT if I leave it a minute, hold the power button down (to force shutoff), count to 5 in my head and power up again... it will POST with the settings I entered (many thanks to Gigabyte for making me waste 2 weeks finding this out, much appreciated 👍)
Must admit Gigabyte aren't winning any friends with their still bloody awful BIOS implementations...
*Edit, Board developed a defective bios, randomizing bios options.
Same motherboard, 7950x3D, I managed to squeeze out 37k vs 35k in R23, after a delid, FCLK@2200 and Mem@6400, VDDIO, VDDG @ 1.2v, SoC Auto, -12 CO (at the cost of light workload crashes) Managed a timespy world record, when paired with a 3080ti, water temp at ~25c. All thanks to Buildzoids Ryzen 7000 coverage
delid? direct die?
@@GewelReal Yes Indeed
Got 37800 on my 7950x3d in R23 Cinebench just on 360 aio. 2100 fclk 6000 mem, scalar x10, pbo on, +200 override, VC - 40 on core 0-7 and -45 on core 8-15. Stable for last 3 weeks on these settings. Some cores boost up 5350mgz and ccd1 core go up to 5900 mhz
I want to mention, that the -12 CO applies to the 3D Cache cores, and I run -17 on the non-3d cores. Judging by the fact that I can never boot anything below -20, im thinking my core silicon isnt that great, but mem silicon is. But im not really sure, theres alot of "trying to hit a moving goal" with this gen. It boosts to ~5ghz on non-3d and 4.950 on 3d-cores
Or yea, it adds the "whole" 5 fps in MW2 benchmark😂
Hey BZ, it's neat how the curve optimizer works! Lots of good information.
i have 7800x3d with EXPO, -30 Curve, PBO 85 and thermal throttle limit is to 85c.
I have tested in Cinabench r23 for 30min, and i get 18143 with core max temp on 70.2c and a powerdraw at 87W.
I go for low power and low temp with better performance than stock. I could prob min max more, but it took 2min to change, and i havent had a single bsod at all.
hey, try disabling PBO 85 C and just leaving the -30 curve offset. It should perform better.
I've been wanting you to do a video on the 7000 series ECLK for months! I have been using the ASUS X670E Hero since launch day for my 7950X and (knock on wood) it's been a fantastic board thus far. The ECLK is a feature that I've been interested in using but I am an amateur when it comes to the ECLK so I'm beyond glad you posted this. This is a huge help even though the bios layout is different, the actual feature is the same. You are the man!
Whats your cooling solution bro?
@@gustavorocha6004 using the H150i Elite Capellix in the 5000X case with ML Elite RGB fans from Corsair.
Hey bro which option did you end up using for your OC in the bios for eCLK?
Currently oc for better WZ performance
@@dmanpoole I ended up leaving it as default without OCing eCLK. After the most recent bios updates, stability and performance is solid with the 7950X/2x32GB Hynix with the X670E Hero.
I love how you named the 3rd section to “ near death “ 😂
I miss FSB overrclocking. That shit was so fun!
Your indecision about AM5 board with eCLK could be a very interesting video. Lot o ppl have this same question. In your last AM5 board video you focused in IO. I know lot's of things about these board are overkill, but when you are shopping for a board that should last 2-3 gens overkills today could be the required in the future
Yes, you are correct. Overkill might be what's needed in the future.
Like my AM4 X570i, its not relaly an overkill board, but it was quite good.
I have run 4 CPUs on it, but it will end its life on 5950X..
I cant kindof justify swapping 5950X for 5800X3d, since 5800x3d costs as much as 7800x3d in Norway.
So then if course I also dont want to loose the productivity cores.
So I am building either 7950X or 7800X3d, 48 Gb 8000 MHz RAM, Asus X670E Gene board, RTX4090
X3D CPUs making OCing redunant beyond what manufacturer boosting algorithms are already acheiving. Suffice to say what's being delivered to consumers is cutting edge tech out of the box.
Thats actually not that bad and incourage ppls to go with b650 motherboards for less money and you got same performance 😅
but for the lower clocking X3D CPUs I would rather have an option for overclocking. It would be better to have a locked voltage setting and an open multiplier instead. The 5700X3D, for example, has a 10% lower turbo clock.
Love buildzoid, but have to weigh in with my tons of hours curve optimizing a 7800x3D and recently fiddling with eclock.
Most Import factor, at least for gaming, are temps.
Taking doom eternal, I basically get 200-300mhz more and sticking to 5.050 mostly all the time, curve optimized on a custom loop than on the peerless assassin with Noctua Fans and curve optimized.
Second important factor is, not to go too low on curve optimizing. Hard to detect, but clock-stretching is real and you will see drops in benchmarks and games which can stunt performance.
Running per core negative offsets ranging from 25 to 32 depending on core.
200-300MHz at around 5GHz is 4-6%.
boosting X3D part. Great!
This was 7 months ago. I wonder if any of these new BIOS have made the ECLK overclocking better.
This was 14 months ago. I wonder if any of these new BIOS have made the ECLK overclocking better.
The 13600k gotta be like the only current gen cpu that's strongly worth overclocking. Ive got mine at 56x4, 55 all core, 45 all core ecore and 50 on the ring which is +400-500mhz on the pcores +600mhz on the ecores and +500mhz on the ring. With that + a 6400 oc on the ram from 5600 and pretty tight timings on my favourite game to use as a cpu benchmark being valorant, I went from 750fps in the range to about 900fps comparing stock + xmp vs ocd cpu and ram.
nicely done
While the clock uplift can look good, it's important to do a baseline benchmark where you look at average clock speed and check how often it throttles.
Then you do an OC and you do new benchmarks, look at scores + average clock speeds and how often it throttles.
The thing is that modern CPUs and GPUs are boosting the cores and this boosting ceiling while can be lifted, when you are gaming you are pumping heat into the GPU, into the CPU and you have a heat soak in a lot of components that can reduce your real life performance of your hardware.
You can of course do 3dmark runs etc. but if you do, remember to use the newer and more demanding tests that utilize your CPU and GPU to their limits.
I like the pasión you have! Thanks for sharing knowledge! 💪
I'm running a -35 undervolt on 6 cores and -30 on 2 fastest cores, and my score is just 6400. You are getting some nice scores there :P
Probably lower ambient temp/better airflow/better cooling solution. My 7900X hits thermal limits way before any others, so my scores have been trending downwards since the end of winter as my apartment is getting warmer. That quick peak to 5.x GHz doesn't really do much except make the CPU hit 95C, it's what is sustainable for the other 90% of the run that drives the score.
@@giantnanomachine Could be, but then again... i got AC turned on for most of the day, and I also got the D15 (Noctua, air cooler)
It should be able to handle my CPU, cus its like 70W-80W max. It could be the case, but that one is also pretty decent
Holy mackerel, the 7800X3D can undervolt with CBO to -35? That's amazing!
Yep, it works perfectly so far. Its been months too!
The question if it actually makes a difference to OC a Ryzen system is easy, it’s not. The build in boost algoritme is already close to be optimal, and really stability is more importent.
Actually a true statement. I have had some good results with tweaking bios but ultimately the Ai Optimizer makes the best balances between power/performance+stability overall. And you dont even have to observe and report. Just use your system as needed and let the little robot do its job.
Are there any noticable gaming gains?
For The 1% percent lows in 1080p/1440p I've seen anywhere from 10-20 fps increase.
It is actually effective for me. I am using this cofiguration to my 7950x with asus tuf gaming b650+ which is relatively cheap motherboard, and it works great. This is my configuration: BCLK:107.125, Memory CLK:5999MHZ, CL28 at 1.4v, CO -10, fmax -550MHz, temp limit to 70C with dual tower AK620 air cooler. My result is shockingly great. Just look at this: CB R23 37600 at 70C, power usage under 120W in comparison with stock setting CB R23 36500 at 95C, power usage near 200W. My system is not always stable but this cofiguration is worth it.
Thank you for this testing! The X3D CPU’s are great for simulators. Being a long time overclocker I was wondering if this feature was viable in a reliable system. Bring on more USB 3 type A ports! 😂
what simulator, DCS MSF says otherwise
I think cinebench defaults to low priority because if you have it set to anything else and try to look at hwinfo64, aida, or something else it will freeze up. Having cinebench set to a lower priority makes it so you can watch the sensors closer to real time.
Does positive offset still work on curve optimizer with x3d CPUs? I thought they locked that down as well?
precision boost overdriver scalar 10x does not degrade the cpu over time?
Apply -30 offset to compensate.
@@erkinalp what setting in the gigabyte bios do you change the offset?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like if I'm planning a 7800X3D build and the only "overcloking" I plan to do with it is enabling PBO and EXPO, I don't need to stress out about the ECLK generator?
Yeah you’re right
You are correct :) And I hope you will use CO (curve optimizer) as well - great benefits there :)
This is the way to go for most of us more casual overclockers for sure.
Well, sounds like the small performance improvement isn't worth the hours spent testing it for stability, at least not on the 7800X3D that's voltage limited. I think the ASRock B650E tai chi has an external clock gen, so I may have to give it a whirl at some point with the 7700X I have in it and see if it ends up being worth the hassle. On the one hand, I kinda miss the days of X79 where like you said you could wring out a whole extra 1GHz out of a chip easily, but on the other hand, it's because the manufacturers are already wringing out the majority of the performance headroom of their chips from the factory, and have basically done all the work for us, so I'm kinda ok with that.
Definitely an interesting approach, but yeah I would never run that daily. Also +$150 is kinda painful for a second clock gen and a few bios settings :/... I get there's probably some weird stuff going on in the mobo but 100% doesn't seem worth it. Thanks for the breakdown though!
Where is the Gigabyte B650E/X670E Tachyon? I have heard this talked about for ages but i dont see any listing or price. Even at Computex there were no prototypes.
It sucks that there are so few 2 DIMM boards for AM5. Most are either A620 or mITX. Can someone please make a proper ATX 2DIMM board focused on memory OC with 10+ USB ports and 3+ M.2 slots?
With 48GB sticks now available i could run 96GB on two slots. Soi i feel like for most people 4 slots are a waste unless you really need more than 96GB.
My 7800X3D is unstable even with eCLK 102 and +50 CO when I render in Premiere Pro. Thanks ASUS?
You probably lost silicon lottery quite a bit with that chip so it has only 2% margin, not 5%
Why you use asus after all the reviews and bad voltage on they motherboard?
@@lelouchabrilvelda1794 I don't want to sell it and buy a new one.
It is strange that you gain less than 1% between stock and -25 all cores CO in CBR20
I think you have clock stretching with +200MHz override.
Did you try +50MHz instead ?
Everything I do with my 7800x3d, doesn’t really seem to do anything. After horsing around for a month, I’m back to expo on , some memory timing adjustment(Hynix timings in the bios, ddr5-6000 at 6200) and left it, and just game, with zero issues, crashes or issues, so I’m fine with it.
Edit - ASUS x670e-e
This guy is in 2024 already damn
ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F - 1709
R7 7800X3D
Running BCLK 105 w/ LLC: 4
If higher than LLC4 it’s unstable.
Single core is improved over stock
Multicore is slightly improved
Temps are improved as well.
29:25 The 7800X3D has a fused max boost clock of 5050MHz, so a +200MHz boost clock is close to useless imo.
I was just hoping to learn more about undervolting to lower temps because of the occasional cpu spiking.
Esto se llama UnderVolt 😮
Nice, that's what I call "a proper OC", like in good ol' days when we messed with FSB :))
It makes sense to overclock the kooked to the limit even at the factory. The CPU manufacturer, on the other hand, needs to sell a new product more than once to unfortunate overclockers.
I have a question: Can I overclock it using ELCK on a B650E mobo? (Asus ROG B650E-E to be specific)
Or ELCK is a high-end feature that only supported on X - motherboards?
Did you consider trying to up the load line calibration instead of curve optimizer when you were OCing the eclk?
Great info here. Thanks BZ
Yes……my observations also. Both CO and ECLK overclocking pretty much useless when you take the time involved into consideration. Time could be spent tuning ram timings instead and giving higher gains overall. Also, what works well for a day or so may just crash in a couple of weeks due to variable conditions (ambient temp, etc, etc, etc). What works in my basement may crash in your micro-environment.
As someone who has spent faaar too much time dialing in per-core CO on a 7900X - I fully agree. Ryzen 7000 really only seems to benefit from just throwing ALL the cooling at it so it doesn't thermally limit early, but messing with voltages or frequencies doesn't do all that much. The CPU will decide what it thinks is the best it can do at 95C anyway, and then just sit there.
I'm still too scared to delid mine though.
4 words:
all core fixed clock
I was interested in doing this possibly in the future when I upgrade. Maybe not on the 7000 series but 9000 maybe
So for a CBR20 there isn't much gain, but how would this help in games that benefit from cache AND clock speed. It would be interesting to see what you could get with that sort of a test subject.
Hi there, really great explanation, did not get till the end yet. Though I can see that my CPUID HWmonitor gives me 5325MHz with simply tweaking EXPO profile. Is there a chance that if I find ECLK on my tuf e670 to have further overclocking?
Expo should have little to no influence on CPU boost. It is specifically for memory overclocking………which “Expo” and “XMP” are…..memory overclocks. Like BZ says……it’s not worth the effort for the small performance gains realized and stability issues that can arise. Better off spending time tuning those “Expo” memory timings. If your X3D chip is boosting that high and it’s stable, leave it alone.
We are now getting 5% uplift on OC for CPUs, looking into the future it's about to go lower.
We will be on that red line cause Moore's law is almost over, vertical transistor stacking won't do much when we are already on that red line.
Well its a toy for all but the 3D chips but is needed for 3D chips for a static fixed manual all core overclock cause multiplier is locked unlike the non 3D chips.
SkatterBench says you can do eCLK overclocking can be done by disabling PBO and it is a fixed overclock.
Well actually manual overclocking even with that almost impossible. Though any overclocking except curve optimizer is locked on 7800X3D. Even PBO is locked though curve optimizer is part of PBO but increasing limits to get more voltage or higher clocks does nothing on newer BIOS versions. I suppose on right board with PBO somehow enabled or curve optimzier, an ECLK is a good thing to have if you want more than 5050MHz as CPU is locked to that. though that is almost artificial as 7950X3D 3D cache CCD can go to 5250MHz max boost. And only way to get that with 7800X3D is with eCLK
I had good luck with boosting the bclk up to 113 or 114 and putting a per core boost limit so it doesn’t go unstable.
Edit: this was on my gene.
At best I could get 5.25ghz all core in cinnebench.
I have a delid with thermal pad and should try Liquid Metal.
what score are you getting?
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
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@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I am running with bclk 107, effective clock 5.05ghz ish all core. This gives 13900ish in cr-23.
highest I could get it was 14220 at bclk 113. I had stability issues elsewhere and it was a pain to tune. This was 5.25ghz effective core.
Are you thermal limited or voltage limited? I have lots of thermal headroom but can’t seem to do anything to get more voltage.
Also I turn off SMT since I primarily game.
@@plushquasar653I was gonna say how are you getting lower scores than my 5800x3d but you’re using half the threads. That’s impressive
Idk about y'all but I turned off precision boost and core performance boost and turned up CPU clock ratio to 54.00 and upped the voltage to maybe 1.2 and ran cinebench and got a 5.4 overclock with my noctua cooler at 80 - 81.5 degrees celsius with no crashed or anything
What cinnebench score?
Pushing PBO negative curves may look good on Cinebench, but can also make games stutter IME. I think with AMD, the best we can do for a stable system is to just work on memory timing.
Mind providing more info? You mean if you don't stability test properly and it's unstable it can cause stutters?
A tune might pass a stability test and still affect gameplay negatively. Because if the system is generating errors but is still stable (not crashing), it might affect gameplay. I only play Star Citizen and that’s a notoriously buggy game being in alpha. Pushing CPU, memory and GPU to the max will degrade the game experience. I leave my system stock now. I only use the recommended XMP timings for my memory and that’s it.
@@sphaera3809 Sounds to me that you didn't do proper stability testing. What software did you use to test stability of your overclocks?
Run CPU and GPU intensive benchmark tools such as 3DMark, Cinebench, and Geekbench. Stress tested the system with OCCT and Prime95. And, after everything looks stable, played the game for long periods of time. Game won’t crash and frame rate is stable, but feels less smooth and will stutter more than untuned.
Those two prime results going down is strange. It's almost like changing the external clock is causing a desynchronization in the memory subsystem that is hurting performance. How was the memory latency?
PyPrime and Ycruncher aren't score based but completion time so they are both faster with eclk than without it
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking i think you confused people with the -% in the gain vs stock charts, i knew what you meant :)
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Gotcha.
I don't have an ECLK oc board, but with a 7800x3d im running full system BCLK of 102 and a PBO curve optimizer all core of -26. I get 5.15ghz in memtest, 4.95 in cinebench and somewhere in between for gaming. Get a decent bump to memory too (6120 MT/s vs 6000)
What MB you have and what soc?
@@timkey87 Asrock Steel x670E. SoC 1.26v
the one concern with just using regular BCLK instead of ECLK is that it can sometimes brick SSDs as it overclocks the PCI-e lanes.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 104 didnt post for me. 103 got into windows but had stability issues. 102 has been flawless
@@robingrieves are those 2% worth the risk?
I don’t know about other 7000 x3d processors but the 7800x3d is fused to 5.05 so a positive frequency offset won’t do anything.
Yes. They did this only because they didn’t want to compete with 7950X3D lol.
At least I think my unit can easily reach 5.3GHz without increasing voltage if allowed.
@@PowellCat745run cpu sha3 aida benchmark and see insta bsod or restart.
The MSI b650 P. Wi-Fi came with my 7800X 3D and 32 gigs of 6,000 CL36 flare X5 for 469 at Microcenter and it supports BCLK overclocking. It's running currently at 104.5 24 7
Hello everyone,
I’m a first time pc builder and I have a question. I’m buying a r5 7600x this gen and for my next upgrade, I’m planning to get the next generatiom brother of the 7800x3d. The motherboard I’m getting is MSI B650 GAMING PLUS, it has 12 phase 75A. Do you think this board will be good enough?
Good enough for what? What is your use-case... only gaming, benchmarking, video editing?
@@RKBenchmarker Just gamin
@@bajlozi6873 Then yes 👍🏻
i think Super PI boost even better.. with affinities
i assume all this stuff is locked out to prevent overheating the v-cache? is it truly that sensitive? I want to get a 7800x3d but I don't want to lose the spice of dailying an OCed box
Certain high-end mobos will allow you to oc it properly (the Master does not do this), such as the Ace and the Hero, which allow for asynchronous eClk and then it reveals two bClks; you would change the frequency of only bClk2 (not bClk1), and that will affect only the cpu freq. Hope this is helpful. BTW, what mobo are you getting or do you have?
It is not so much overheating but voltage that the vcache is sensitive to.
Thought you knew positive fmax offset dont work on the 7800x3d buildzoid.. On dual CCD 7900x3d and 7950x3d +fmax offset only affects the clockspeed on "frequency-CCD" (non v-cache dies)
Your "+200mhz" does nothing in this comparison.. Its only negative fmax offset that works on v-cache CCD's
I think it's the same with 5800x3d
👍🏻
Good to know that not having it on my board doesn't really matter.
Offset is not offset, it's just the max frequency cap limit. You need to actually reach the limit in the first place to have use for it.
Great video with very similar results to what I've concluded after days of tinkering with the settings. The only thing I am still currently looking into are the Windows Powerplans.
There seems to be more headroom for performance depending on the settings you access through Power Settings Explorer.
I would like an explanation of how to set this up in Asrock.
Is it possible to damage RAM with ECLK OC? I had 1 DIMM die the other day, got that replaced and yesterday was trying it again and like teh PC crashed, got back into the bios and only showed 16GB of RAM. Luckily a CMOS reset fixed that but I'm a bit confused as to what is happening.
Any help is welcome.
What mobo do you have as it makes a difference in answering your question?
So what i understood my oc works as i thought ...
I got 7600x that easilly works at 2200 flck but cant even work stable at stock bios voltage and after long testing i set mine to positive CO 17 to reach 5500 MHZ. With that i lose multi core scores but single scores are better. I guess for gaming its still better solution ... ? Cinebench r23 multi score around 14900 and single 1980+-
This makes me feel slightly better about buying a MSI Carbon Wifi assuming a board of its price, with the next board up being completely overkill. Not having all overclocking features for the platform is wild to me. Intentionally withholding a feature in MSI's case. Disappointing at best.
can i ask wich cooler do you use
anything probably with two fans and fin stacks or AIO which is a water cooling cooler
How to do eclk on asrock x670e taichi?
With bclk
My 7900 has -30 undervolt step in curve and +200 max turbo in pbo. I wish there was an easy way to just make the turbo +400 with positive curve. Currently my core voltage is 1.2V at turbo.
Does asus x670e tuf support eclk ?
Wondering the same did you find out?
@@victorflores429 yes I have seen someone say that it supports it
If vrm is rated 50 amperes, how can cpu draw 100 amperes? Why dont they just put a single strong vrm instead of multiple small vrms?
I set BCLK to 102 so i can run my mem at 6324MHz. 6400MHz has not been stable with reasonable voltages. CO -21, bellow -22 immediately crash in OCCT. but after all I still can't beat 405 Gflops in linpack.
My motherboard gigabyte B6 50 elite ax ice does not have this eckl setting in the motherboard bios. Is it named something different for this motherboard? I tried to follow along with video, but got stuck on that part.
Most motherboard don't have this setting
is there any way to let the clocks stay always at 5.0 all the time like intel . ?
my cpu really sucks, my 7800X3D CO-30 score is ~7300, basically your stock (and most test sites stock score)
well in games its always 5.05 GHz so I guess it doesnt matter
Lol what about mine? -35 on all cores, and its 6400 score. Id be happy if I had 7300!
Does the x670e-plus wifi support eclk?
Whats the point of overclocking teh CPU when we are essentially gated by the performance of the GPU for gaming,
I'm guessing that feature isn't in the B650 chipset :p
I’ve got 2 different 7950X3D CPUs, both over clock really well… However, I’ve had nothing but nightmares with RAM. I’ve got 3 sets of really good DDR5, and I’ve had issues with them all on both CPUs. Not sure if it’s memory controller or RAM related at this point.
Can you get them up to advertised speeds? I think I got my gskill up there, I can check when I go home.
Did you try newest bios? Are your RAM kits QVL listed for your mainboard?
If they are not QVL; you might have to tamper with voltage settings.
Also: are you running 2 sticks of RAM?
Is there a way to make it boost 5ghz all cores for a normal use without eclkg?
Hey man,
Could this OC burn the CPU like we've seen in the recent days?
Wasn't that SOC voltage over 1.30v? AMD and mobomakers should have that locked down now on new BIOSes. Older AGESA allowed something like 1.4 volts and IIRC some mobos ran at that voltage. I did not hear BZ mentioning SOC at all. So it shouldn't be an issue, either way.
@@MrPunkassfuck In this case if you use the CO on positive curve you add more voltage on SoC mainly during heavy loads when the boost works.
For AMD Precision Boots there's no -200, this is just a way to set the minimum boost that is 25.
My doubt is if ECLK have any impact on VID or Core voltage overall>
Regarding the updates, some updates had work fine but another ones like ASRock and ASUS still have problems and in some cases still push the voltage limit further 1.4.
Anyway was just my doubt. I have one and would like to hear from yours that have more experience using ELCK. Personally I've never used but I think a interesting method for OC. I don't know about the safety.
Interesting
Considering it's locked at 5050mhz, your not doing anything. If you change PBO and do Curve Optimizer you can get it to report like 5300mhz but it's not really doing it. Only certain application report real clock speed, other are reporting false clocks.
I wish you testet the cpu in gamin with and without oc, that would be the real gains :D
Why didn't they just unlock regular overclocking for X3D? (I know roughly why, but it's just frustrating.)
Because it's very sensitive to any higher voltage. But there are safe ways around it.
Is there a way to overclock the APU only??
it's like this with literally any CPU for the last 6 years... (except of artificially downclocked ones like i5s)
Please,test it on 5.3Ghz with game vs stock speed.
Is coil whine proportional to FPS output and/or over volting of a GPU ?.
There are so many reports of GPU's with loud coil whine that I'm wondering what card OEM's to avoid.
Coil whine is when certain power filtering components resonate at an audible frequency. This isn't related to performance or fps, this is related to just components used and the size and number of things like chokes. Louder cards may not have done mitigations to dampen or avoid whine, like more filtering or if the size of the component is causing it they may be able to change the size and number and get inaudible whine instead.
Can you do a video for the 7800x3d ? I dont know why i get 85 degree with a 360 aio … is it normal ?
Depends what you're running, but yes it can be normal.
I’m not sure how but I’ve got my x3d past 6mhz it seemed to always hit above 5 easily. I thought something might be wrong so I removed all the overclocking but never had an issue with our without it
Without eclk and bclk, the 7800x3d will only hit 5050 MHz. What are your settings and how many cores are hitting 6GHz (I assume you meant GHz and not MHz).
could u test ddr5 8000 with the 7800x3d ?
Is there a list of boards that support external clock Gen? Pain in the ass searching.
Hero, Apex, Ace that I know of. When you select asynchronous for eCLK, those boards will then show 2 different bCLKs; the second one (bCLK2) adjusts only the cpu frequency (nothing else). That's the one you want to adjust... 104, 107, etc. Leave the first bCLK at 100.
Responsiveness
Iam looking at the MSI 670E Carbon that doesnt have external clock generator, iam not planing to overclock the 7800x3d guys think its worth paying 130€ more for the Asus Hero 6070E to be future proof?
No such thing as future proof, especially since the socket will be changing for next gen. Get what you want to use it for now is my advice :)
@@RKBenchmarker What are you talking about? This isn't intel. AM5 will probably be around another 4 Years.
But yeah, i wouldn't stress about the ECLK either., X670E Hero User -> ECLK Boost doesnt work anymore. Stays to 5050 after BIOS Updates
@@Juliensfanboyy Yeah, you're right, I'm bouncing between systems and had Intel on my mind at the time lol. If he is not going to OC or use its other upgrades, the carbon is fine.
However, the eclk asyn and bclk2 work fine. I had a WR CB23 7800x3d record with it on HWBot; 2nd place now... I'll have to work on that ;) 5050MHz will be the max you can get without using the eclk/bclk2.
strange my 7800x3d only does 6750 in CB20. stock settings on aorus master
What do you get in CB23?
Id like to see this OC on an asus....
For the algo
How does the ECLK work on the Taichi B650E board? Has anyone tried it?
It's bclk in. Bios
I don't need to do anything to boost my 7950x3d, it already boosts to at least 5.3 ghz by default.
You have 2 different set of cores. 8 with 3D Cache and 8 without. The ones without Cache boost up to 5.7 Ghz
@@Juliensfanboyy The boosts will never be sustained at 5.7Ghz, they're just short term until the temp rises enough. These chips top out at 4.7Ghz sustained boost with regular coolers, but can go higher with good coolers, but you're never going to get a sustained 5.7Ghz, even with great coolers. The point I was making was mine boosts to 5.3Ghz sustained, on all cores.
+boost doesnt work on this chip. skatterbench explained it
if only Intel wasn't so stingy about base overclocking...
Ι try this quide for oc 7600x but the better scor i run is manual oc to 5500 16100 with eclock my better score are 15500
podrias pasar la settings
Not liking this Gigabyte X670 AORUS ELITE AX Gaming Desktop Motherboard AM5 motherboard at all.
It won't recognize any of my Corsair Vengeance or Dominator RAM and halts on a red RAM error led.
So far my experience with AM5 and DDR5 RAM has been 100% BAD. No video, no beep, nothing.
Not tyring to overclock anything, just trying to get it to boot to a BIOS screen for the first time.
I had the steel legend, it wouldn't boot a screen while plugged into the g card, had to use igpu and update everything then it started working