I did it with the OC Strategy #3. I tested everything with Prime95 and FurMark after the settings and then went into my main game Escape from Tarkov for the final test. I didn't get any errors, crashes or blue screens and my Ryzen 7 7800X3D simply doesn't get warmer than 70° - thank you for the video! Greetings from Germany
You are a monster! Amazing OC video. So much quality info condensed in less than 40m. Many thanks for your the effort you put into making this available.
You are the best overclocker I've seen, and I've seen a lot of them...every one of yours oc's is thoroughly explained to the smallest detail...with you it's easy to understand how silicon valley works...thank you for that...!!!!👍✌️
Wow, @13:20 the correlation with X3D profile plus PBO with stock or PBO (only) is amazing. Seems like easy performance gain with more to come. That chip wants to fly. No wonder you had a great time with this chip.
@@CarnivoryHODL My Crosshair board has 3 X3D profiles that were added to the BIOS after the launch of the AM5 X3D chips. Be sure to check for recent new BIOS
@@ryanodneal7001 Where do you think I’d find it in the bios? I’m on gigabyte, not asus, so what were the x3d profile names and what menu were they on? Thanks so much!
I really like your way of explaining things and amazing that you share your OC:s with the world! The only thing i would personally prefer is that you made the OC on a non closed loop liquid. The majority of ppl doesnt have that good cooling so doing what you recommend with for example an AIO could destory the system.
Thank you for this incredibly useful information. Although I cannot find eCLK configurations on my MSI b650-P WIFI, this video inspired me to increase my base clock via the FCH option available to me. I performed a moderate increase of 102, which sped up the entire system just a touch. I used Ryzen Master to understand my best cores, and used HWINFO during gaming to infer the remaining cores capability. My CPUS cores in ordered of best to worst are 2,4,1,3,5,6,8,7 so I simply set a moderate curve optimizer of -5 and -0 for top 2 cores and +5 for the remaining cores. Very stable, no WHEAs, and increased boost clock to a bit over 5200. Thank you again!
Sensacional, objetivo e direto... À simplicidade nas explicações atigiu o apce da magnitude. Irei fazer no meu sistema, pois imaginei que não seria possível em tal processador. Fico super grato pelo ensinamenteo.
Great video, with tons of information. Recently built my first PC in over 20 years and my specific 7800X3D CPU can take a max negative curve optimization of -25 all core when running EXPO tweaked profile. -30 and greater seems to cause stability issues when benchmarking in AIDA64 Extreme.
Such a in depth video.....I am getting a 7800x3d with a msi x67e carbon wifi in the next week or so....hope I can get as close as possible to your results
Maybe you've covered this in another video, but can you explain your method for determining your per core curve optimizer offsets? (Or direct me to it) or is it exactly as it seems and is just a time consuming and tedious process if you truly want to have every core at the edge? I'm curious to know your process either way.
It very much is a tedious and time-consumption process. The specific tuning process depends a lot of the specific CPU, because I find that some CPUs are more sensitive to different types of workloads (SSE, AVX, etc). But my general process is pretty simple: Set negative all core curve optimizer, then check stability with Prime95 small ffts no avx for each core separately (affinity). I just check for 20sec because I'm only interested in whether it crashes immediately or not. Then, as long as all cores pass, further increase the negative curve optimizer in steps of 5. Then, when 1 core fails switch to per-core curve optimizer and back down on the one core that failed and keep going with the others. When you have a configuration that works for all cores, it's time to double check stability in various scenarios. I usually do: 1) Per-core SuperPI 32M, to check high-boost stability in light workloads 2) Prime95 small ffts all core non-avx, to check boost in non-avx heavy workload 3) Prime95 small ffts all core avx2, to check boost in avx heavy workload 4) Run all my benchmarks to ensure stability For 1, 2, and 3, you can easily spot which core is unstable and then just back down with Curve Optimizer for that core. For 4, it's more difficult, so I just back down 5 steps for all cores to build in margin.
@@SkatterBencher Thank you so much for taking the time to detail this out. I guess I need to reinstall prime95. It's been years since I used it last and I wasn't aware you could do per core testing. SuperPI will be a huge help too because my biggest issue always seems to be high boost light workload instability with my last few builds. Thanks again. You should consider making this into a video, I can almost guarantee there are a lot of people out there that would love to have this in your usual format as a visual walkthrough for getting the most out of their CO.
@@SkatterBencher Just started my 7800x3D build and I would like to say thanks for this. Got a question regarding 1/2/3 though, how exactly do we spot the failing cores? All cores pass with -30 for 5 mins each for non avx but when I start with avx2 with the same settings it crashes(bsod) immediately and I can't tell which core was doing it heh.
Hi ScatterBencher! Loved the info you have on the subject. I see in other RUclipsrs that they utilize VCore Load Line Calibration, example here ruclips.net/video/4JXvewurhks/видео.htmlsi=42P_zU-bgKR8f0Wy To my understanding. You’re essentially accomplishing the same end result by adding a positive offset to PBO curve optimizer correct? I just wanted to know if you’d recommend using the VCore Load Line Calibration or just use the curve optimizer by itself?
I suggestion only use loadline calibration if you're doing a manual overclock ("OC Mode") with AMD Ryzen CPUs. If you're sticking with Precision Boost, then Curve Optimizer is the right tool. I experimented with loadline calibration for Ryzen CPUs a while ago and found that adjusting the loadline calibration would make the CPU SMU automatically adjust the requested voltage to offset the loadline. So it cancels each other out.
I noticed your cpu soc voltage is 1.35v, with the recent news of the burning chips and expo problems, the manufacturers are hard locking the new bios versions to 1.30v max, was wondering your thoughts on this. Many users are manually setting the soc to 1.25v to be on the safe side at least until more info is known. Thanks for the video.
I've been trying to follow the news about the burning up a little bit (including some of the in-depth pieces). Generally, I'm a bit annoyed with the coverage because there's still lots of speculation and jumping to conclusions. Also, I'm not a fan of calling people "lazy" without evidence. It implies intentional malfeasance. My opinion is that 100mV difference will never be the difference between "guaranteed burnout" and "absolute safety", unless there is a specific hardware design flaw causing that. Going by the physical damage, it's clear some thermal protection is failing. That could related to a dysfunctional physical sensor in the CPU or some edge-case SMU firmware bug, or something different. But what's it's not is +100mV :). I look at the BIOS voltage limitations as a way to show customers something's actively being done about it and to shift the conversation to "it's those darned overclockers again". You know ... it's not "in spec" but "out of spec" behavior. I'm not confident we'll ever know the true root cause of this issue. And, honestly, I don't really care that much about the root cause being known by the public. I'm just a bit worried that this will further detract AMD from actively investing resources to enable great overclocking experiences.
since the x3D architecture is aimed at being a 'gaming' chip, would it not be best to have a config that allows 1 or 2 cores to boost high rather than an across-the-board medium uplift?
Ryzen Master has a Curve Optimizing feature that will give the most performant voltage curve per core. I recommend using it because it was very accurate versus my manual tuning would have saved a lot of hours of testing.
Ryzen Master on 7000 should only be used for viewing, pressing "Apply" garbles the BIOS nvram on some AM5 boards (all ASUS in my experience), and you wouldn't be able to boot until you clear CMOS.
Hi all. I have Rog Strix x670e-e gaming wifi mobo, 32 gb ddr5 6400 cl32 G.SKILL ram, ryzen 7 7800x3d. On current bios 1416 I am able to achive roughly 5335 mhz clock per core on my cpu. Using strategy #3 from this video, didn’t want to try manual core by core settings so did all at once. So my setup is also 6200 mhz, since 6400 mhz was not stable in DOCP I profile (mobo does not have EXPO for some reason, but it is esentialy same thing just different name for Asus). Precision boost overdrive - enabled, curve optimizer - all cores, negative, and i did 25 magnitude. Tried 30 did pass cinebench R23 but in idle crash, 35 magnitude crash instantly, and 25 was stable for me. I can probably go higher on some cores, and some not, but as I said, i didn’t want to do manual per core overclock. Managed to get around 3.25% (give or take) boost in performance (not counting gpu overclock) and from around 5000 mhz max core clock speed to 5335 mhz per core. Temps stable, droped i think 2-3 celsius from 88-89 to 86-87 in full load Cinebench 23. Idle startup is around 45-47, normal to heavy workload 65-75 celsius and veryhigh workload 86 celsius. Cinebench R23 score - before cpu overclock somewhere around 17400, after overclock 18051. I do not play highly intensive games, and even without OC i had enough fps in games, but did it anyway just to check the results and pass info here since there is almost none cpu overclock videos of this cpu after this fiasco with Asus and their burned up cpu and mobo. I couldn’t hit chinebench 23 scores he hit in this video, but i think that is due mobo diference (his is higer rank and have 20+2 A teamed power solution rate while mine have 18+2 , maybe clean windows 11 instalation, and some other thing, I don’t know, I am not expert, and don’t even know is that ever relevant for cpu overclock, but I have seen my cpu hit 18200 (give or take) score in Cinebench R23 when we put sistem together and did first few testings. Hope this helps someone.
there is a smidgen of extra performance in manually tuning memory, because EXPO profiles are not good enough. Although the effect of memory tuning is greatly reduced on x3d chips, its still greater than 0.
@@Dodgerca With zen 4, even if you add + voltage to curve optimizer it will not go past the hard cutoff. Temps also will hard stop at the maximum temp. Unless you really go out of your way to disable default protections, it's going to be rather difficult to kill one. The thing that works best for zen 4 is PBO + curve optimizing, maybe eclock if you have it on your board as well, and with these it's very safe.
The fact he uses asus makez me roll my eyes, would be nice if he used boards that werent overpriced in his tutorials, asrock has boards that are just as good for much less
So the real question. Does it has FPS improvements or just 1% 0.1% lows on games ? thanks for the video, I just build my rig yesterday. 7800x 3d , 64gb 6400 CL32 on a x670e RS Asrock mainboard.
Have you thought about delidding the CPU?? From other videos I've seen, at least for the non 3d variants, it seems to be more or less free performance, or free power/heat savings. Would be fun to see you maybe push this processor even more, or see how much lower temps/power draw you can get which is quite important for sff builds.
I'm very interested in doing this since mine runs on a fractal ridge case. The ihs seems to be too thick to allow height compatibility with coolers, so removing it already benefits heat transfer
I wish eclk was still effective on this cpu for multi core workloads, sadly not the case. Even if i copy your exact settings (theyre not fully stable for me) i dont get anywhere close your frequency, im getting 4620 effective in p95 avx disabled, whereas you were getting 4850. Would you know why exactly? Eclk is still good for single core tho Same motherboard A follow up video on this with a recent bios would be so cool, but it might be a lot of work, i understand
Great video. Helped me to understand what all the acronyms meant. My old 2600k was the last OC I have done. But it has been purring at 4.4ghz under an AIO for 10 years. It idles at lower temp than the 7800x3d which is also under an AIO. But seeing boost to 5150mhz using PBO2 curve at -30 and a 102mhz base clock. Ran p95 at up to 70c for 5 minutes. I am curious what I can undervolt to now to drop a few more degrees. I would like to know if I could OC just the boost. So it has a 5500mhz ceiling but idle and surfing the web only uses stock speeds for the most part.
Let's assume there are two V/F points: 5000 MHz at 1.25V and 4500 MHz at 1.15V. Now we use Curve Optimizer to undervolt the processor by 100mV. Then these two V/F Points will become: 5000 MHz at 1.15V and 4500 MHz at 1.05V. We get a lower voltage at a given frequency: 5000 MHz = 1.25V -> 1.15V We get a higher frequency at a given voltage: 1.15V = 4500 -> 5000 MHz
Newbie here, so from what I can take in, this is a rather hit and miss proceedure with the only monitoring feedback that its working is temperatures, but it could still render your system unstable or even damage your sockets because you are driving them beyond their specified power/current limits? So ultimately, you could be reducing the lifetime of your CPU and motherboard?
I've found that the tweaked expo profile from asus bios does actually provide substantially better memory performance at least in memory benchmarking, have you tried it and found any impact on cpu performance?
I've tried EXPO Tweaked (or XMP Tweaked) in one previous OC guide but can't remember which. I didn't see it have impact on CPU overclocking. But then again, I did not test very thoroughly.
Good guide although a little confusing. Right now ive set the bios overclock profile and also the curve optimizer but my chip will only do -20. stock max i can get is 17500 in cinebench r23. Think i lost the silicon lottery this time😢 but with these tweeks im at 5ghz all core new score 18766 sad the reviews basic scores was 18k oh well.
- My stock 7800x3d is getting 18466 in in cinebench r23, all cores boost to 4825 Mhz in multi cores, ....and any single core hit 5050 Mhz in hwinfo while browse net or youtube. - Mabe some samples are allready tunned by amd from default with best volttage;) !! - And with -30 on all cores i can hit 18836 points...so 18466 vs 18836..... no such such a big deal ...just a little few points and the speed of single cores still do not surpass 5050Mhz in game , so don't be sad about silicon lottery because is doesn't metter a lot in the case of 7800X3D!!! like in the cases of non x3d who can boost higher the single clock frequency. - Also here in this video i see he get only +200 points in cinebench r23 with -30 on all cores, cause i believe this chip being mostly for gaming do not benefit for increase of more higher single clock while using curve -30, like in cases of others ryzen 7000 non X3D, - Also most people put -30 and forget it and come and report it on forums, and call it stable while is not in most of the cases, - I just see on reddit 4 posts about those cases i'm talking about, a lot of peoples saying put -30 and call it stable but after other users ask them if they test them for 24 hours of prime64 or aida64 sha3 they come back and report they are getting error or crashes. - Also i see other 2 peoples saying them best core support only -5 to -10. - Is the same with my 7800X3D to ! with -30 on all cores i get stable cinebench r23 result, i get all core boost to 5050 Mhz in multi, but single core it's still the same 5050Mhz(the same single 5050Mhz that i was hitting with stock settings to!), also i get stable boosting, also i get sable safe browse net and games, but.......... after i read that posts on reedit i start testing and discover that after 1 -2 hours of prime 95 cpu cores start spiting errors on prime 95 and aida sha3 benchmark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - So i decide i will do not keep my cpu with errors reported on prime95 and call it stable like others! and so i have to dial back the best core to -7 !, the other 3 cores to -15/-21/-21, and only the 4 worse cores to -30 to -32!! and only after that prime 95 report 0 error after 5 hours!!! The temperature not such a big deal also to....., on stock 76 C on cinebench r23 multi, and with all cores at - 30 it's hit 79- 80 C cause is boost all cores at 5050 Mhz while on stock all cores boosting at 4825 Mhz, and on prime 95 i get same temp 55-62 C with -30 curve or with stock to!( all core boosting to 4675 -4700Mhz) , and at idle is -3 -4 C less , and in game -3-4C less to, still not such a big difference, oh yes and my aio is 360 in push pull configuration.
great video, many thanks! But "asus x3d oc profile" can be enabled independently from PBO2. So what happens if for example both "PBO CO" and "asus x3d oc profile" are enabled? which one is used?
Why did you choose Expo I vs Expo II? Btw, I just found your RUclips channel. I had read your OC information but did not know you had a RUclips channel. Visuals are always better than just words. Much appreciated.
@23:29 you said to raise Eclk until unstable and then increase positive core optimizer all cores. then check individual core stability and raise CO more for unstable cores. But in your settings you only had 1 core +10 and one -5. So how many restarts did you need to get there? And if you uniformly raised CO initially(as in the slide), how did you go about deciding which cores to reduce it on?
He starts at -35 and works up. First thing to know us his mobo runs his cpu at 1.35v most of us are running at 1.24v.... also because of how the boosts works this is how you get the highest frequency on all cores. You can also just go from 0 and works down by -5 each time. This is how i did it.
@@Jootn2kx I have a Gigabyte B650E Aorus Master. As long as the motherboard BIOS as async mode you should be good to go. Then just down to silicon loto at that point. i have tested out 7 AM5 CPU so far and only 1 has been able to run at 6400 Memory speed.
@@Jootn2kx Nice! I grabbed a 7800x3d this morning on newegg. Says it will be here tomorrow. I will test it out as well, still have 8 day return window at Microcenter on my 7900x3d.
Hey Skatter Bench, I delid my 7800x3d and confirmed it would post! I don’t plan to use Liquid Metal but PTM 7950. Do you think I could go up to the 1.2V limit with a voltage offset? I am hoping to get an all core OC above 5 ghz using pbo2 and bclk like you did here. Thanks for the detailed guide keep the content coming.
Not in combination with Precision Boost, because the PB algorithm relies on the voltage to estimate the appropriate frequency. With positive curve optimizer, you set the voltage for a given frequency higher. So if the algorithm determines a maximum allowed voltage, the actual maximum allowed frequency will become lower.
@@PREDATEURLT Yeah I don’t know about that one, EXPO/XMP on DDR5 is hot garbage so even if it’s *only* 10-20% cumulative you’ll more than notice the uplift in 1% and 0.1% lows.
@Triston Davis No. You don't notice a drastic difference on 0.1 or 1% lows. OC'ing CPUs and tightening timings on ram isn't as beneficial in games as it is for editing/production software. Gaming, you may gain 10fps after already having 110fps. You won't notice. Back when you used to have to solder CPU pins together to unlock them, you could go from 2.0GHz to 2.8GHz. You'd get a 40% uplift. Now people are all excited over 9 or 10% 😑 On my 4790K I went from 4.0GHz all core OC to 4.4GHz (10%) and gained 4fps at 1080p and 3fps at 1440p on AAA titles with a 1080 Ti. With CL7 1600MHz ram (later used 2,400MHz CL11).
Is it correct to affirm that the strategy 3 is the optimal strategy for anyone who does not want to consume time on fine tuning? Also, I heard that CO ranges from +30 to -30, yet you can still set higher numbers like in your case -35 but in this situation the actual applied value would be -30. could you please verify this piece of information and confirm to me if that's true or false?
OC Strategy #3 is the most balanced in terms of extra frequency and effort required. Correct! +30/-30 used to be the range, but on Raphael it's a bit different. In my Ryzen 7000 launch video I showed up to -300 (three hundred) worked. However, this can change with different AGESA code and I think now the range is more like +30/-60. skatterbencher.com/2022/09/26/raphael-overclocking-whats-new/#AMD_Precision_Boost_Overdrive_2
So for any of us on a b650 without ECLK, we're stuck with pbo 2 curve optimizer basically, right? I'm running mine all cores -35 with RAM at 6000 IF 2033 (as per buildzoid hynix timings) and seems stable, but doesn't boost past 5050 mhz, around 82° celsius cinebench r23.
I have a ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING WIFI but doesn't own a cpu for it yet. I wonder if this motherboard will have similar overclocking potential? Would a AIO 280mm be good enough for max overclocking this cpu? I don't think I can fit a bigger AIO in the case.
@@SkatterBencher Hum okey nice! I didn't have the time to watch the whole video in detail. I will do that now. But here in Sweden it became a paper launch and no accurate info on when they're suppose to arrive either sadly.
I have a tuf b650-e wifi and I noticed your motherboard has a higher power potention for overclocking I have a 7900xt is the difference between the boards worth the money or can you overclock it enough on this board that it will not hold up the gpu
Hello, what was your bios version ? 1101 is instable and does not allow me enable EXPO. When I do it it does not reboot stucks at black screen and if I load overclock preset it gives BSOD.
It is in the ROG X670E ocpak/octools, which you can find here: rog-forum.asus.com/t5/amd-600-series/x670-resource/m-p/901576 > ocpak/octools > DB Query > AMD V/F > Get Boost Curve.
I'm on a 5800x3d but plan on upgrading to a 7800x3d when the time is right- love all your videos you're a legend but I do have one question- does pbo on am4 introduce any sort of added system/input latency? I'm a competitve fps gamer and currently run my 5800x3d with SMT disabled no PBO etc. I guess in theory PBO/any overclock should actually lower input latency as it's effectively the same as having a higher IPC on a CPU? I spent years dealing with/learning about multi CCD core-to-core latency penalty w/ a 5950x before realizing that the slugish aim I was experencing in FPS games was actually the result of higher than usual DPC/system latency due to the fact the game was running on multiple physical + virtual cores and communicating across multiple CCDs. And i've recently started learning about processor IPC and how intel is generally better for gaming because of a higher IPC. What I can't wrap my head around is what is the 'definitive' way to determine which modern process- thanks in advance!
How about a modern update for this processor due to the recent BIOS updates bringing extra features and stability. Hopefully its something you'll be willing to consider. 🙏
Did you experiment with the max frequency boost setting on the 7800X3D at all? I was surprised to see it not mentioned in this video, considering how much detail and thought has been put into it.
I love your videos regarding undervolt and overclock! Amazing work! However I am stuck with one question I ask myself after looking at this video twice. For pure gaming purpose I assume you would go either OC Strat #1 (The easy way) OR OC Strat #3 which takes some more time to find the perfect negative curve I assume? Tyvm for any answer!
@@SkatterBencher I am in need of some advice if you can. I am pretty frustrated at this point as I run a -35 negative curve on all cores (it is actually stable both on light and heavy load) but I run into the VDDCR SOC VRM showing 1.240V - Is this safe? I updated to the very last bios firmware. I also believe that HWINFO shows wrong values because I have spikes of VDD 2.155v, SOC voltage 2.480and misc voltage 2.220
@@SkatterBencher Hey again. Yeah so I figured out those HWiNFO values only seem to have happend in combination with having AMD adrenalin overlay open at the same time which I simply forgot to disable as I completely wiped my PC after going from 5900x to 7800x3d but now all values seem to be fine and I believe I just panicked because the values were like 2x of what HWiNFO originally gave in the start which is quite concerning especially when HWiNFO was updated to last version and mobo firmware was flashed in the very beginning. Thank you for your time and reply tho!
I'm using the latest bios 1516, and it doesn't have the "core voltage" option for 7800x3d on the GENE board. I noticed that in the video you are using bios 1002. I'm afraid to go back to this old bios because of the melted cpu problems. Is there any hidden option to release the core voltage, or is it blocked in this bios? Is there any trick to release it?
EXPO I loads EXPO primary timings, frequency, and voltage but lets the motherboard optimize the rest of the EXPO timings EXPO II loads the full EXPO profile, including the primary and secondary timings, frequency, and voltage. EXPO Tweaked is EXPO I, but also adjusts some non-EXPO profile timings according to the motherboard auto-rules.
I have my eclk set to 105 -10 on all cores apart from core 4 wich is set to 0. Temp limit does not go above 83c in cinebench. Is this okay to use daily? I only use for gaming. Thankyou
Thanks man. This was an awesome resource for myself as an ASUS x670e-e Gaming WIFI MOBO + 7800x3D owner. I'm a novice at overclocking and didn't have a clue about which settings to tweak in the BIOS to get a good overclock or about which overclocking method I should use. By the expert way you compared the steps to each overclock method with the results, I can easily determine method 3 (PBO Curve Optimized) is the best one for me. That seems to be my sweet spot for thermals, results, and work invested. If also have GSKILL Trident NEO 5 DDR 5 6000 with EXPO memory. I saw that you used the EXPO1 setting for the memory but I have seen others use EXPO 2 for their overclock. Can you tell me why you used EXPO1 and what the difference between the 2 is? Thanks again brother. This was a tremendous help.
Cool, I use the same configuration as yours, were you able to lower the temperature of yours? Mine is on the 50° scale in a normal process, could you tell me?
@@Paulo0032 I have the same config too... playing metro exodus my PC-Case was getting way hot. Then I changed the curve opt. to -25 on all cores and limited the PPT to 85w. The game did not change and my PC case only gets warm now... The indicator on the x670E-E shows 50-52 ºC while gaming. I'm happy... and I didn't even try -30 or 75W. =D. Let's see if the system is stable first (did this change yesterday)
@SkatterBencher If a motherboard has eCLK, does that mean we can force the CPU to a fixed clock speed when gaming or does the voltage need to be fixed to stop the clock speeds from jumping up & down?
Technically 7000X3D does not support manual overclocking ("OC Mode") which provides the pathway to fixed frequency and voltage. However, you can mimic this behavior as I've shown in OC Strategy #5: Manual Overclock. TLDR: you disable Precision Boost to get a fixed CPU ratio instead of constant fluctuation of clocks.
Hi and thanks for your work ! Could you please tell us more about Shamino’s Boost Curve tool, where to get it and how to use it, I can't find anything about it on the web. Thank you and best regards.
It is in the ROG X670E ocpak/octools, which you can find here: rog-forum.asus.com/t5/amd-600-series/x670-resource/m-p/901576 > ocpak/octools > DB Query > AMD V/F > Get Boost Curve.
I want the great performance like I got while using 5800x3d Kombo Strike 3 for 7800x3d. All I want is to see my processor to keep its temperature under 70 while gaming 🙏 waiting your help
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Love the way you repeat the BIOS setup from scratch for each option. Plus the detailed descriptions. Great vid!
I did it with the OC Strategy #3.
I tested everything with Prime95 and FurMark after the settings and then went into my main game Escape from Tarkov for the final test.
I didn't get any errors, crashes or blue screens and my Ryzen 7 7800X3D simply doesn't get warmer than 70° - thank you for the video!
Greetings from Germany
I did strategy 3 but my soc is above 1.3 each time but if I limit it, I loose the performance gains. So basically unsure what to do.
@taketotheskies6950 you try letting Ryzen Master auto curve optimize. Can even choose per core and see what it determines to be stable.
@@lsik231l DO NOT let ryzen laster auto curve, it will crash your cpu. It goes too high.
You are a monster! Amazing OC video. So much quality info condensed in less than 40m. Many thanks for your the effort you put into making this available.
Incredible video. Thanks for making this!
Thanks Brett! I still remember remember when you joined our World Tour overclocking event in Cape Town many years ago! :)
Would appreciate a redo of this with the newest, post cpu issues, lower voltage BIOS, installed.
Agreed
@@redhood420 my thoughts exactly
Yes please
That would be awesome!
Definitely
Never have i watch a full 37 min video on youtube since 2006, you sir, are a great and simple person. I hope the best for you! Thanks a lot!
Best overclocker on RUclips, it isn't even a competition SkatterBencher is a BEAST.
I learned alot today. Thank you for your hard work.
You are the best overclocker I've seen, and I've seen a lot of them...every one of yours oc's is thoroughly explained to the smallest detail...with you it's easy to understand how silicon valley works...thank you for that...!!!!👍✌️
Wow, @13:20 the correlation with X3D profile plus PBO with stock or PBO (only) is amazing. Seems like easy performance gain with more to come. That chip wants to fly. No wonder you had a great time with this chip.
Is MSI the only Dev that has this option? Or will others? Can this be replicated? Have a gigabyte mb.
Do you think AMD kinda locked it, to make the 7950whybother3D. not look as bad?
@@CarnivoryHODL My Crosshair board has 3 X3D profiles that were added to the BIOS after the launch of the AM5 X3D chips. Be sure to check for recent new BIOS
@@ryanodneal7001 Big help, thanks! On latest bios now, but afraid to go to beta version.. Is yours a beta version?
@@ryanodneal7001 Where do you think I’d find it in the bios? I’m on gigabyte, not asus, so what were the x3d profile names and what menu were they on? Thanks so much!
Wow a lot of work has been invested into this video. SkatterBencher is a beast!
An unbelievable amount of detail in this video...
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Your understanding and presentation skills are very impressive. Thank you for sharing this information
Amazing video, thank you so much for taking the time to share your knowledge. You explain everything so throughly, very helpful.
By far the best explanation I've found. Great piece of work. Well paced, informative, doesn't make assumptions or skip stages. Well done!
god damn that was impressive. excellent work. thats a hell of a great chip
Welp. This went completely over my head. Still, i can tell this video is a labor of love. Thanks for the upload.
thanks for putting these amazing videos and tutorials out. really is the best out there!
Thanks so much, using the PBO Curve optimsed method I got a stable overclock and CPU temp reduction. Many thanks,
I really like your way of explaining things and amazing that you share your OC:s with the world!
The only thing i would personally prefer is that you made the OC on a non closed loop liquid. The majority of ppl doesnt have that good cooling so doing what you recommend with for example an AIO could destory the system.
You are always first lately, love it!
I try
Most professional video i've seen about this theme
Thank you for this incredibly useful information. Although I cannot find eCLK configurations on my MSI b650-P WIFI, this video inspired me to increase my base clock via the FCH option available to me. I performed a moderate increase of 102, which sped up the entire system just a touch. I used Ryzen Master to understand my best cores, and used HWINFO during gaming to infer the remaining cores capability. My CPUS cores in ordered of best to worst are 2,4,1,3,5,6,8,7 so I simply set a moderate curve optimizer of -5 and -0 for top 2 cores and +5 for the remaining cores. Very stable, no WHEAs, and increased boost clock to a bit over 5200.
Thank you again!
Hello my friend can we contact in discord can you send me your discord please
Sensacional, objetivo e direto... À simplicidade nas explicações atigiu o apce da magnitude. Irei fazer no meu sistema, pois imaginei que não seria possível em tal processador. Fico super grato pelo ensinamenteo.
agora me ajuda kkkkkk ensina
7800x3d in hand. Lucked out and got one that will do 6400 RAM. testing at 108.1 ECLK now and so far so good, tuning per core with OCCT.
SP score?
@@unknownuser7665 DIdn't end up being stable in OCCT multicore testing. More work this morning on it in the 107.5 range now.
Gigabyte B650E Aorus Master use this board?
I ordered one, but I haven’t picked it up yet, I’m afraid that it doesn’t support ECLK oc
@@jonjujek It does support it.
Thank you!
Great video, with tons of information. Recently built my first PC in over 20 years and my specific 7800X3D CPU can take a max negative curve optimization of -25 all core when running EXPO tweaked profile. -30 and greater seems to cause stability issues when benchmarking in AIDA64 Extreme.
Such a in depth video.....I am getting a 7800x3d with a msi x67e carbon wifi in the next week or so....hope I can get as close as possible to your results
does this mb has external clock generator? to oc bus to 105-110Mhz?
@@MrGrzegorzD It does not, you need to go up to the $700 x670e boards for that. I'm not sure about options on the lower end chipsets.
@@AerynGaming the B650E gigabyte master does have elck, I bought it because it should have it, it only also cost me 450 euros 😂
This video is still understandable at 2x speed. I congratulate You.
amazing video - very insightful!
So awesome it can get up to 5.6ghz. Can’t wait to toy w/ mine tomorrow. 😎
Yes 5.6 without a load.
Maybe you've covered this in another video, but can you explain your method for determining your per core curve optimizer offsets? (Or direct me to it) or is it exactly as it seems and is just a time consuming and tedious process if you truly want to have every core at the edge? I'm curious to know your process either way.
It very much is a tedious and time-consumption process. The specific tuning process depends a lot of the specific CPU, because I find that some CPUs are more sensitive to different types of workloads (SSE, AVX, etc). But my general process is pretty simple:
Set negative all core curve optimizer, then check stability with Prime95 small ffts no avx for each core separately (affinity). I just check for 20sec because I'm only interested in whether it crashes immediately or not. Then, as long as all cores pass, further increase the negative curve optimizer in steps of 5.
Then, when 1 core fails switch to per-core curve optimizer and back down on the one core that failed and keep going with the others.
When you have a configuration that works for all cores, it's time to double check stability in various scenarios. I usually do:
1) Per-core SuperPI 32M, to check high-boost stability in light workloads
2) Prime95 small ffts all core non-avx, to check boost in non-avx heavy workload
3) Prime95 small ffts all core avx2, to check boost in avx heavy workload
4) Run all my benchmarks to ensure stability
For 1, 2, and 3, you can easily spot which core is unstable and then just back down with Curve Optimizer for that core. For 4, it's more difficult, so I just back down 5 steps for all cores to build in margin.
@@SkatterBencher Thank you so much for taking the time to detail this out. I guess I need to reinstall prime95. It's been years since I used it last and I wasn't aware you could do per core testing. SuperPI will be a huge help too because my biggest issue always seems to be high boost light workload instability with my last few builds.
Thanks again. You should consider making this into a video, I can almost guarantee there are a lot of people out there that would love to have this in your usual format as a visual walkthrough for getting the most out of their CO.
I use OCCT and test 1 core at a time, takes forever but works.
@@SkatterBencher What about using Ryzen Master and running the per core optimizer, and either just using Master or entering the offset in your bios?
@@SkatterBencher Just started my 7800x3D build and I would like to say thanks for this. Got a question regarding 1/2/3 though, how exactly do we spot the failing cores? All cores pass with -30 for 5 mins each for non avx but when I start with avx2 with the same settings it crashes(bsod) immediately and I can't tell which core was doing it heh.
Hi ScatterBencher! Loved the info you have on the subject. I see in other RUclipsrs that they utilize VCore Load Line Calibration, example here ruclips.net/video/4JXvewurhks/видео.htmlsi=42P_zU-bgKR8f0Wy
To my understanding. You’re essentially accomplishing the same end result by adding a positive offset to PBO curve optimizer correct? I just wanted to know if you’d recommend using the VCore Load Line Calibration or just use the curve optimizer by itself?
I suggestion only use loadline calibration if you're doing a manual overclock ("OC Mode") with AMD Ryzen CPUs. If you're sticking with Precision Boost, then Curve Optimizer is the right tool.
I experimented with loadline calibration for Ryzen CPUs a while ago and found that adjusting the loadline calibration would make the CPU SMU automatically adjust the requested voltage to offset the loadline. So it cancels each other out.
I noticed your cpu soc voltage is 1.35v, with the recent news of the burning chips and expo problems, the manufacturers are hard locking the new bios versions to 1.30v max, was wondering your thoughts on this. Many users are manually setting the soc to 1.25v to be on the safe side at least until more info is known. Thanks for the video.
I've been trying to follow the news about the burning up a little bit (including some of the in-depth pieces). Generally, I'm a bit annoyed with the coverage because there's still lots of speculation and jumping to conclusions. Also, I'm not a fan of calling people "lazy" without evidence. It implies intentional malfeasance.
My opinion is that 100mV difference will never be the difference between "guaranteed burnout" and "absolute safety", unless there is a specific hardware design flaw causing that. Going by the physical damage, it's clear some thermal protection is failing. That could related to a dysfunctional physical sensor in the CPU or some edge-case SMU firmware bug, or something different. But what's it's not is +100mV :).
I look at the BIOS voltage limitations as a way to show customers something's actively being done about it and to shift the conversation to "it's those darned overclockers again". You know ... it's not "in spec" but "out of spec" behavior. I'm not confident we'll ever know the true root cause of this issue. And, honestly, I don't really care that much about the root cause being known by the public. I'm just a bit worried that this will further detract AMD from actively investing resources to enable great overclocking experiences.
@@SkatterBencher Thanks man, appreciate you taking the time to answer.😀
educated! your voltage reference and strategy is priceless. I would try tweaking and curving the voltages low enough for an air cooler.
It's very easy to aircool the 7800x3d
@@havz0r what are you talking about?
even a random grandma can aircool any recent gen CPU if vcore voltage set to 1.2V
Great material. Thank you!
since the x3D architecture is aimed at being a 'gaming' chip, would it not be best to have a config that allows 1 or 2 cores to boost high rather than an across-the-board medium uplift?
Id love a 6 core 3dv cpu with 1-2 super-cores,thats the dream cpu :O
Ryzen Master has a Curve Optimizing feature that will give the most performant voltage curve per core. I recommend using it because it was very accurate versus my manual tuning would have saved a lot of hours of testing.
For me, Ryzen Master has no option to optimize the curve. I heard that it's disabled for X3D CPUs. Got any ideas?
Looks like it is only for 5000 series
Ryzen Master on 7000 should only be used for viewing, pressing "Apply" garbles the BIOS nvram on some AM5 boards (all ASUS in my experience), and you wouldn't be able to boot until you clear CMOS.
Hi all.
I have Rog Strix x670e-e gaming wifi mobo, 32 gb ddr5 6400 cl32 G.SKILL ram, ryzen 7 7800x3d.
On current bios 1416 I am able to achive roughly 5335 mhz clock per core on my cpu.
Using strategy #3 from this video, didn’t want to try manual core by core settings so did all at once.
So my setup is also 6200 mhz, since 6400 mhz was not stable in DOCP I profile (mobo does not have EXPO for some reason, but it is esentialy same thing just different name for Asus).
Precision boost overdrive - enabled, curve optimizer - all cores, negative, and i did 25 magnitude. Tried 30 did pass cinebench R23 but in idle crash, 35 magnitude crash instantly, and 25 was stable for me. I can probably go higher on some cores, and some not, but as I said, i didn’t want to do manual per core overclock.
Managed to get around 3.25% (give or take) boost in performance (not counting gpu overclock) and from around 5000 mhz max core clock speed to 5335 mhz per core. Temps stable, droped i think 2-3 celsius from 88-89 to 86-87 in full load Cinebench 23. Idle startup is around 45-47, normal to heavy workload 65-75 celsius and veryhigh workload 86 celsius.
Cinebench R23 score - before cpu overclock somewhere around 17400, after overclock 18051.
I do not play highly intensive games, and even without OC i had enough fps in games, but did it anyway just to check the results and pass info here since there is almost none cpu overclock videos of this cpu after this fiasco with Asus and their burned up cpu and mobo.
I couldn’t hit chinebench 23 scores he hit in this video, but i think that is due mobo diference (his is higer rank and have 20+2 A teamed power solution rate while mine have 18+2 , maybe clean windows 11 instalation, and some other thing, I don’t know, I am
not expert, and don’t even know is that ever relevant for cpu overclock, but I have seen my cpu hit 18200 (give or take) score in Cinebench R23 when we put sistem together and did first few testings.
Hope this helps someone.
I was waiting for it!
Thanks for doing this.
The pleasure was all mine this time :)
there is a smidgen of extra performance in manually tuning memory, because EXPO profiles are not good enough. Although the effect of memory tuning is greatly reduced on x3d chips, its still greater than 0.
Almost ready to receive my CPU, I'll be trying all of this strategies for OC. Thanks for the guidance.
Good luck!
How likely are these strategies to brick your cpu? Ranging from ‘pretty darn low you’ll cook your cpu’ through to ‘try at your own extreme risk’?
@@Dodgerca With zen 4, even if you add + voltage to curve optimizer it will not go past the hard cutoff. Temps also will hard stop at the maximum temp. Unless you really go out of your way to disable default protections, it's going to be rather difficult to kill one. The thing that works best for zen 4 is PBO + curve optimizing, maybe eclock if you have it on your board as well, and with these it's very safe.
The fact he uses asus makez me roll my eyes, would be nice if he used boards that werent overpriced in his tutorials, asrock has boards that are just as good for much less
I have a asrock mobo and this was easy to follow, I used strat #3
@@puffyipsi have asrock taichi. Can you share your guide
So the real question. Does it has FPS improvements or just 1% 0.1% lows on games ? thanks for the video, I just build my rig yesterday. 7800x 3d , 64gb 6400 CL32 on a x670e RS Asrock mainboard.
Have you thought about delidding the CPU?? From other videos I've seen, at least for the non 3d variants, it seems to be more or less free performance, or free power/heat savings. Would be fun to see you maybe push this processor even more, or see how much lower temps/power draw you can get which is quite important for sff builds.
I've thought about it, but don't have the time to do it
I'm very interested in doing this since mine runs on a fractal ridge case. The ihs seems to be too thick to allow height compatibility with coolers, so removing it already benefits heat transfer
so 7800X3D is basically faster then the 7950X3D 3D cache enabled only?
Don't mistake a silicon lottery result for an average.
I wish eclk was still effective on this cpu for multi core workloads, sadly not the case. Even if i copy your exact settings (theyre not fully stable for me) i dont get anywhere close your frequency, im getting 4620 effective in p95 avx disabled, whereas you were getting 4850.
Would you know why exactly?
Eclk is still good for single core tho
Same motherboard
A follow up video on this with a recent bios would be so cool, but it might be a lot of work, i understand
Great video!
Great video. Helped me to understand what all the acronyms meant. My old 2600k was the last OC I have done. But it has been purring at 4.4ghz under an AIO for 10 years. It idles at lower temp than the 7800x3d which is also under an AIO. But seeing boost to 5150mhz using PBO2 curve at -30 and a 102mhz base clock. Ran p95 at up to 70c for 5 minutes. I am curious what I can undervolt to now to drop a few more degrees.
I would like to know if I could OC just the boost. So it has a 5500mhz ceiling but idle and surfing the web only uses stock speeds for the most part.
thanks for the video :D
I have a 7800x3D with asus b650e-I and I don’t have the overcooking presets options (I did update my bios to the latest version
So whats the best Setting for Gaming ? 7800X3D asus B650E E Gaming
Hi, I don't understand why you state at 16:02
Lower voltage for a given frecuency = Higher frequency at a given voltage.
Let's assume there are two V/F points: 5000 MHz at 1.25V and 4500 MHz at 1.15V.
Now we use Curve Optimizer to undervolt the processor by 100mV. Then these two V/F Points will become: 5000 MHz at 1.15V and 4500 MHz at 1.05V.
We get a lower voltage at a given frequency: 5000 MHz = 1.25V -> 1.15V
We get a higher frequency at a given voltage: 1.15V = 4500 -> 5000 MHz
Newbie here, so from what I can take in, this is a rather hit and miss proceedure with the only monitoring feedback that its working is temperatures, but it could still render your system unstable or even damage your sockets because you are driving them beyond their specified power/current limits? So ultimately, you could be reducing the lifetime of your CPU and motherboard?
Verry good work 👍✌️
Now the secret question, with witch settings you hit the 5.6 GHz as you show in the video at @34:40 ?
It's the PBO Eclk method, but with more Eclk :)
@@SkatterBencher Does it work also with a B650 motherboard?
Correct me if I’m wrong but if you set pbo to enhancement & then set it to your motherboard - the motherboard will limit the CPU’s potential ?
Early bird collects the clicks...
Good video 👍🏻
Thats insane! Thank you
We need a simplified way to get to your results, even if that means not getting up to the full 5.4ghz. Hell, I’d be happy at 5.2ghz.
CO-35
You're gonna blow up your CPU and MB.
you must be new here
I've found that the tweaked expo profile from asus bios does actually provide substantially better memory performance at least in memory benchmarking, have you tried it and found any impact on cpu performance?
I've tried EXPO Tweaked (or XMP Tweaked) in one previous OC guide but can't remember which. I didn't see it have impact on CPU overclocking. But then again, I did not test very thoroughly.
Thanks for sharing,awesome
Do is possible to do strategies #2 and #3 together? ASUS X3D OC Profile + Negative Curve Optimizer?
Good guide although a little confusing. Right now ive set the bios overclock profile and also the curve optimizer but my chip will only do -20.
stock max i can get is 17500 in cinebench r23. Think i lost the silicon lottery this time😢 but with these tweeks im at 5ghz all core new score 18766 sad the reviews basic scores was 18k oh well.
- My stock 7800x3d is getting 18466 in in cinebench r23, all cores boost to 4825 Mhz in multi cores, ....and any single core hit 5050 Mhz in hwinfo while browse net or youtube.
- Mabe some samples are allready tunned by amd from default with best volttage;) !!
- And with -30 on all cores i can hit 18836 points...so 18466 vs 18836..... no such such a big deal ...just a little few points and the speed of single cores still do not surpass 5050Mhz in game , so don't be sad about silicon lottery because is doesn't metter a lot in the case of 7800X3D!!! like in the cases of non x3d who can boost higher the single clock frequency.
- Also here in this video i see he get only +200 points in cinebench r23 with -30 on all cores, cause i believe this chip being mostly for gaming do not benefit for increase of more higher single clock while using curve -30, like in cases of others ryzen 7000 non X3D,
- Also most people put -30 and forget it and come and report it on forums, and call it stable while is not in most of the cases,
- I just see on reddit 4 posts about those cases i'm talking about, a lot of peoples saying put -30 and call it stable but after other users ask them if they test them for 24 hours of prime64 or aida64 sha3 they come back and report they are getting error or crashes.
- Also i see other 2 peoples saying them best core support only -5 to -10.
- Is the same with my 7800X3D to ! with -30 on all cores i get stable cinebench r23 result, i get all core boost to 5050 Mhz in multi, but single core it's still the same 5050Mhz(the same single 5050Mhz that i was hitting with stock settings to!), also i get stable boosting, also i get sable safe browse net and games, but.......... after i read that posts on reedit i start testing and discover that after 1 -2 hours of prime 95 cpu cores start spiting errors on prime 95 and aida sha3 benchmark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- So i decide i will do not keep my cpu with errors reported on prime95 and call it stable like others! and so i have to dial back the best core to -7 !, the other 3 cores to -15/-21/-21, and only the 4 worse cores to -30 to -32!! and only after that prime 95 report 0 error after 5 hours!!!
The temperature not such a big deal also to....., on stock 76 C on cinebench r23 multi, and with all cores at - 30 it's hit 79- 80 C cause is boost all cores at 5050 Mhz while on stock all cores boosting at 4825 Mhz, and on prime 95 i get same temp 55-62 C with -30 curve or with stock to!( all core boosting to 4675 -4700Mhz) , and at idle is -3 -4 C less , and in game -3-4C less to, still not such a big difference, oh yes and my aio is 360 in push pull configuration.
Great video.
great video, many thanks!
But "asus x3d oc profile" can be enabled independently from PBO2. So what happens if for example both "PBO CO" and "asus x3d oc profile" are enabled? which one is used?
Why did you choose Expo I vs Expo II? Btw, I just found your RUclips channel. I had read your OC information but did not know you had a RUclips channel. Visuals are always better than just words. Much appreciated.
No particular reason why I picked EXPO I over EXPO II. I usually stick with the first option unless there's some issues
@@SkatterBencher Ok. I asked because my research found that there are differences between the 2 and I was curious if Expo 1 was a better option.
@23:29 you said to raise Eclk until unstable and then increase positive core optimizer all cores. then check individual core stability and raise CO more for unstable cores. But in your settings you only had 1 core +10 and one -5. So how many restarts did you need to get there? And if you uniformly raised CO initially(as in the slide), how did you go about deciding which cores to reduce it on?
He starts at -35 and works up. First thing to know us his mobo runs his cpu at 1.35v most of us are running at 1.24v.... also because of how the boosts works this is how you get the highest frequency on all cores. You can also just go from 0 and works down by -5 each time. This is how i did it.
Nice work, I also got my 7900x3d to 5.4Ghz with a 106.4 ECLK and did a negative 100 clock on CCD1 so it would not go over 5.95Ghz and crash.
Nice, which motherboard do you need for that? does a simple one like a B650-plus or B650-m work too?
@@Jootn2kx I have a Gigabyte B650E Aorus Master. As long as the motherboard BIOS as async mode you should be good to go. Then just down to silicon loto at that point. i have tested out 7 AM5 CPU so far and only 1 has been able to run at 6400 Memory speed.
@@njasicko Thanks I think i'll order it i'll let you know my results on my 7800X3D lol
@@Jootn2kx Nice! I grabbed a 7800x3d this morning on newegg. Says it will be here tomorrow. I will test it out as well, still have 8 day return window at Microcenter on my 7900x3d.
Gigabyte B650E Aorus Master support overclock with ECLK???
Where to find this external clock in ASRock x670e board? Anyone? I did curve undervolt but can't find eckl anywhere...
this 3dx extreme profile isn't available on my Asus Strix B650E-F :C, my 7800x does not cross 5ghz,
Hey Skatter Bench,
I delid my 7800x3d and confirmed it would post! I don’t plan to use Liquid Metal but PTM 7950.
Do you think I could go up to the 1.2V limit with a voltage offset?
I am hoping to get an all core OC above 5 ghz using pbo2 and bclk like you did here.
Thanks for the detailed guide keep the content coming.
Did you try this?
@@benperkins2929 yes. Waiting for the cpu drama to resolve before I tune it though but it looks good so far.
@@benperkins2929 I am getting 5.1ghz all core with minimal tweaking. Not as good as I was hoping but really good overall.
@@plushquasar653 is that with the PBO ECLK method?
would doing the curve optimizer in the postive direction yield better results if I dont care about the extra voltage and temps?
Not in combination with Precision Boost, because the PB algorithm relies on the voltage to estimate the appropriate frequency. With positive curve optimizer, you set the voltage for a given frequency higher. So if the algorithm determines a maximum allowed voltage, the actual maximum allowed frequency will become lower.
CPU overclocking complexity is increasing precipitously.
I mean, it used to be WAY harder back then, then it suddenly got extremely easy (and boring)... And now it's getting a little bit harder again 😂
DDR5 overclocking has entered the chat.
@@PREDATEURLT Yeah I don’t know about that one, EXPO/XMP on DDR5 is hot garbage so even if it’s *only* 10-20% cumulative you’ll more than notice the uplift in 1% and 0.1% lows.
I just learned a new word, thanks!
@Triston Davis No. You don't notice a drastic difference on 0.1 or 1% lows. OC'ing CPUs and tightening timings on ram isn't as beneficial in games as it is for editing/production software.
Gaming, you may gain 10fps after already having 110fps. You won't notice.
Back when you used to have to solder CPU pins together to unlock them, you could go from 2.0GHz to 2.8GHz. You'd get a 40% uplift.
Now people are all excited over 9 or 10% 😑
On my 4790K I went from 4.0GHz all core OC to 4.4GHz (10%) and gained 4fps at 1080p and 3fps at 1440p on AAA titles with a 1080 Ti. With CL7 1600MHz ram (later used 2,400MHz CL11).
Is it correct to affirm that the strategy 3 is the optimal strategy for anyone who does not want to consume time on fine tuning?
Also, I heard that CO ranges from +30 to -30, yet you can still set higher numbers like in your case -35 but in this situation the actual applied value would be -30. could you please verify this piece of information and confirm to me if that's true or false?
OC Strategy #3 is the most balanced in terms of extra frequency and effort required. Correct!
+30/-30 used to be the range, but on Raphael it's a bit different. In my Ryzen 7000 launch video I showed up to -300 (three hundred) worked. However, this can change with different AGESA code and I think now the range is more like +30/-60.
skatterbencher.com/2022/09/26/raphael-overclocking-whats-new/#AMD_Precision_Boost_Overdrive_2
@@SkatterBencher Thank you for answering so quickly man!
So for any of us on a b650 without ECLK, we're stuck with pbo 2 curve optimizer basically, right? I'm running mine all cores -35 with RAM at 6000 IF 2033 (as per buildzoid hynix timings) and seems stable, but doesn't boost past 5050 mhz, around 82° celsius cinebench r23.
at the moment it seems like it. Hopefully somebody finds a work around.
I have a ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING WIFI but doesn't own a cpu for it yet. I wonder if this motherboard will have similar overclocking potential? Would a AIO 280mm be good enough for max overclocking this cpu? I don't think I can fit a bigger AIO in the case.
Depends more about silicon and cooling not that much about mobo
At worst, when overclocked this CPU pulls only 100W. Any decent air cooler will handle that.
@@SkatterBencher Hum okey nice! I didn't have the time to watch the whole video in detail. I will do that now. But here in Sweden it became a paper launch and no accurate info on when they're suppose to arrive either sadly.
I have a tuf b650-e wifi and I noticed your motherboard has a higher power potention for overclocking I have a 7900xt is the difference between the boards worth the money or can you overclock it enough on this board that it will not hold up the gpu
Hello, what was your bios version ? 1101 is instable and does not allow me enable EXPO. When I do it it does not reboot stucks at black screen and if I load overclock preset it gives BSOD.
Can this be done on the ROG STRIX X670E-A GAMING WIFI?? Good video
Excellent OC review as always, thank you! Quick question: where can anyone find the "Shamino's Boost Curve" tool for download? Thank you in advance!
It is in the ROG X670E ocpak/octools, which you can find here: rog-forum.asus.com/t5/amd-600-series/x670-resource/m-p/901576 > ocpak/octools > DB Query > AMD V/F > Get Boost Curve.
Please include Star Citizen in your test. In Arena Commander in particular. Thks dude.
is there a benchmark version available where I don't have to manually use fraps to get performance data?
I would like to understand if Asus has solved the DDR5 problem.
Would love a tutorial to curve per core from someone experienced.
You can use something like OCCT with its individual per core test.
ruclips.net/video/XjSRyb4sbSQ/видео.htmlsi=3r5ZYZOq7QzV7Cy6 Same strategy
I'm on a 5800x3d but plan on upgrading to a 7800x3d when the time is right- love all your videos you're a legend but I do have one question- does pbo on am4 introduce any sort of added system/input latency? I'm a competitve fps gamer and currently run my 5800x3d with SMT disabled no PBO etc.
I guess in theory PBO/any overclock should actually lower input latency as it's effectively the same as having a higher IPC on a CPU?
I spent years dealing with/learning about multi CCD core-to-core latency penalty w/ a 5950x before realizing that the slugish aim I was experencing in FPS games was actually the result of higher than usual DPC/system latency due to the fact the game was running on multiple physical + virtual cores and communicating across multiple CCDs.
And i've recently started learning about processor IPC and how intel is generally better for gaming because of a higher IPC.
What I can't wrap my head around is what is the 'definitive' way to determine which modern process- thanks in advance!
I'm wonder about new edition Ryzen 7 9800x3D how fast will You ahve it ? ther will be lower power consumpiont moore room to overclock 🙂
How about a modern update for this processor due to the recent BIOS updates bringing extra features and stability. Hopefully its something you'll be willing to consider. 🙏
No.
Which mobo is the most affordible with a ext clock gen?
Did you experiment with the max frequency boost setting on the 7800X3D at all? I was surprised to see it not mentioned in this video, considering how much detail and thought has been put into it.
That setting has for some reason been disabled by AMD on vcache CCD's, even for their flagship.
Fmax Boost Override doesn't work on X3D CCDs, unfortunately.
@@SkatterBencher weird that the menu option was still there then, it disappears with my 5800X3D
I love your videos regarding undervolt and overclock! Amazing work!
However I am stuck with one question I ask myself after looking at this video twice.
For pure gaming purpose I assume you would go either OC Strat #1 (The easy way) OR OC Strat #3 which takes some more time to find the perfect negative curve I assume?
Tyvm for any answer!
You're spot on :)
@@SkatterBencher Thanl you so much for your answer.
@@SkatterBencher I am in need of some advice if you can. I am pretty frustrated at this point as I run a -35 negative curve on all cores (it is actually stable both on light and heavy load) but I run into the VDDCR SOC VRM showing 1.240V - Is this safe? I updated to the very last bios firmware.
I also believe that HWINFO shows wrong values because I have spikes of VDD 2.155v, SOC voltage 2.480and misc voltage 2.220
VDDCR_SOC 1.24V is safe, yes.
Those HWiNFO values do seem off. Maybe there's a newer version available to download?
@@SkatterBencher Hey again. Yeah so I figured out those HWiNFO values only seem to have happend in combination with having AMD adrenalin overlay open at the same time which I simply forgot to disable as I completely wiped my PC after going from 5900x to 7800x3d but now all values seem to be fine and I believe I just panicked because the values were like 2x of what HWiNFO originally gave in the start which is quite concerning especially when HWiNFO was updated to last version and mobo firmware was flashed in the very beginning. Thank you for your time and reply tho!
I'm using the latest bios 1516, and it doesn't have the "core voltage" option for 7800x3d on the GENE board.
I noticed that in the video you are using bios 1002.
I'm afraid to go back to this old bios because of the melted cpu problems.
Is there any hidden option to release the core voltage, or is it blocked in this bios?
Is there any trick to release it?
Wish I could find these eclk etc setttings in my MSI mag b650 tomahawk wifi
It doesn’t have an external clock gen so you won’t have those settings
thanks for your nice video.I wanna know which motherboard could be the cheapest to change the eclk ，could you please provide an answer?
What is the difference between EXPO I vs. II vs. Tweaked?
Can not find any info on the profile differences on ASUS / G.Skills websites.
EXPO I loads EXPO primary timings, frequency, and voltage but lets the motherboard optimize the rest of the EXPO timings
EXPO II loads the full EXPO profile, including the primary and secondary timings, frequency, and voltage.
EXPO Tweaked is EXPO I, but also adjusts some non-EXPO profile timings according to the motherboard auto-rules.
I have my eclk set to 105 -10 on all cores apart from core 4 wich is set to 0.
Temp limit does not go above 83c in cinebench.
Is this okay to use daily? I only use for gaming. Thankyou
Thanks man. This was an awesome resource for myself as an ASUS x670e-e Gaming WIFI MOBO + 7800x3D owner. I'm a novice at overclocking and didn't have a clue about which settings to tweak in the BIOS to get a good overclock or about which overclocking method I should use. By the expert way you compared the steps to each overclock method with the results, I can easily determine method 3 (PBO Curve Optimized) is the best one for me. That seems to be my sweet spot for thermals, results, and work invested. If also have GSKILL Trident NEO 5 DDR 5 6000 with EXPO memory. I saw that you used the EXPO1 setting for the memory but I have seen others use EXPO 2 for their overclock. Can you tell me why you used EXPO1 and what the difference between the 2 is? Thanks again brother. This was a tremendous help.
Cool, I use the same configuration as yours, were you able to lower the temperature of yours? Mine is on the 50° scale in a normal process, could you tell me?
@@Paulo0032 I have the same config too... playing metro exodus my PC-Case was getting way hot. Then I changed the curve opt. to -25 on all cores and limited the PPT to 85w. The game did not change and my PC case only gets warm now... The indicator on the x670E-E shows 50-52 ºC while gaming. I'm happy... and I didn't even try -30 or 75W. =D. Let's see if the system is stable first (did this change yesterday)
@SkatterBencher If a motherboard has eCLK, does that mean we can force the CPU to a fixed clock speed when gaming or does the voltage need to be fixed to stop the clock speeds from jumping up & down?
Technically 7000X3D does not support manual overclocking ("OC Mode") which provides the pathway to fixed frequency and voltage. However, you can mimic this behavior as I've shown in OC Strategy #5: Manual Overclock. TLDR: you disable Precision Boost to get a fixed CPU ratio instead of constant fluctuation of clocks.
Hi and thanks for your work !
Could you please tell us more about Shamino’s Boost Curve tool, where to get it and how to use it, I can't find anything about it on the web.
Thank you and best regards.
It is in the ROG X670E ocpak/octools, which you can find here: rog-forum.asus.com/t5/amd-600-series/x670-resource/m-p/901576 > ocpak/octools > DB Query > AMD V/F > Get Boost Curve.
@@SkatterBencher Excellent thank you very much 🤘🤘🤘
FYI I've grilled my CPU by using the Get VF function of Shamino tools. Be careful.
I want the great performance like I got while using 5800x3d Kombo Strike 3 for 7800x3d. All I want is to see my processor to keep its temperature under 70 while gaming 🙏 waiting your help