@OakTownBizz-zm8rx hahahah I'm just saying. But also never heard Betsy bug before had to look it up and I'm now adding it to my vocabulary. Thank you hahahaha
Of all the things an Englishman would expect to see in an NBA video, Brass Eye was a million miles away. I already loved this channel but I am recommending it to my Partridge friends now.
I always thought that he was going to Miami after he made the announcement to not weat 23 for the next season. It was after a game in Miami and Miami was one of the teams that had retired 23 in honour of MJ.
I thought he was going to Chicago. Was a huge post MJ Bulls fan. The team they built through the draft, and by 2010 were ready to contend. When he applied to change his number from 23 to 6 it was pretty clear he was going somewhere.
Lmfao, knock it off. You got that from that dude video about all the little signs that were missed looking back. Don't pretend like you really thought or knew that back then.
As I got into European Football more, I find it INSANE how in Football your lauded if you go win trophies in different leagues and teams when in basketball your RIDICULED to know end for leaving your team 😅
@@Anarchyontheweb in football (soccer) if you can go to a team, and end up helping them win the league, a league cup, a European championship you are given your props. In the nba because it’s such a small league where you either play in the western or eastern conference, you get ridiculed and judged harshly for leaving the team that took you in, even if it’s one of the shit teams, that have been shit for years and seem to have no direction-aka the Cavs when LeBron was there for 7 years (2003-2010) and somehow never got another good player to help him out. Look at what happened as soon as Cleveland has another star (Kyrie) and some good role players (Kevin love) all he needed was some role players that would put up 8-14 points and another star. But for 7 years the Cavs couldn’t do anything, and people think LeBron should’ve stayed. Not all teams can be like the warriors or 80’s and 90’s bulls head office. The fact that the Cavs head office weren’t able to get any decent player that was on the level of LeBron for seven years and everyone could see how hard he was carrying the Cavs is crazy. You get one-two decent players and one that could see the potential for a ring if they do their part with LeBron is crazy.
You're right. Like, say Harry Kane leaves Tottenham this summer, I don't see Tottenham fans burning his shirt (unless he signs for Arsenal or something)
@@milk__teee Well yeah because the NBA is one league whereas football is multiple leagues in different countries, hate for football transfers only pours in when you go from to your previous team's rivals in the league, like from Borussia to Dortmund, or Barca to Real
@@AceTheSkylord For sure, if Harry Kane leaves England and plays spurs in the UCL he probably won’t get hated, but if joins arsenal he’ll definitely get booed.
This is when players were no longer at the mercy of owners, it was the other way around. The craziest thing is people don't even realize the decision raised MILLIONS for the boys and girls club
That’s irrelevant. He could have raised millions during his tenure in CLE. This was a glorified fund raiser to cover his tracks for cheating the grind.
@adg9042 That's an excuse. He had to have some type of help because in 2008-2009, they go 61-21 and the next year in 2009-2010, they go 66-16 so he had to have some help. LeBron just chokes and some short in big moments like he has always done
On the topic of superteams that were formed in NBA history, the Lakers in the late 60s and early 70s had 3 of the top 5 guys in the league (Wilt, Elgin, and West)
The thing is that Bosh was never a Top 10 player lol, in 2010 Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Dirk, Dwight, Cp3, KD, D.Rose, Duncan, Parker, KG, Deron Williams, Nash, Pau Gasol ect were better than him imo, Bosh was more like Top 20-Top 15
None of those players asked to join other superstars to get cheap rings and for the person above Gasol never asked to be traded to the Lakers. On the other hand this man has been tampering for years yet the league didn't do 💩 bout it And the fact that these guys called the Spurs a bunch of old guys in the 07 Finals is crazy none of those players were old by basketball terms. That Kobe vs lebron match up was set up already by thr league those years the cavs were 60 plus wins for two seasons straight n lebron winning mvp but yet the media would say he makes his teammates better tho lol that's a joke he has never made his teammates better. Lebron got exposed by western teams n showed the world the man doesn't have basketball Fundamentals like MJ n Kobe
Just had to pause for a second when you were talking on Mike Brown's firing. Mike Brown was and is a phenomenal defensive coach, and you can see that wherever he's been. Warriors defense was unreal with him as assistant. The Kings success this year starts on the defensive end, and he's grown a lot as a coach on the offensive side of the ball. He's crushing it and I'm rooting for him. Mike Brown on his first Cavs stint was, in a word, flawed. Granted, his personnel outside of LeBron wasn't great, but come playoff time the offense was always stagnant, and *always* defaulted to "hey LeBron, do something amazing". You can imagine why LeBron wouldn't be enthused about another season or more of that. On top of this, he was still figuring out how to read and apply mid-game adjustments and was simply outcoached in '09 and '10. The Magic series especially showed how SVG would be constantly adjusting and changing what wasn't working, while the Cavs continued the same old gameplan every quarter and every game. Given all that, there was not a lot of confidence that LeBron would want anything to do with him that summer. It's understandable that they thought that, coach of the year or not, firing him would give the Cavs a better shot at keeping LeBron in town. Great video though. Very thorough.
@@Love2Musgrave you guys are slow he was the second most popular player at the time behind Kobe 😂😂his final decision was big news that's how the media works you make a spectacle of these decisions. If Kobe had left in 2006 that would have more than likely got the same coverage.
As much as I was disappointed he wasn’t coming to Chicago after all, I did have the suspicion he wouldn’t come because at the time, the Bulls had every difficulty drawing big names to play for them. Couldn’t get Yao, Kobe, T-Mac, KG, Ray, they couldn’t get anybody until Pau FINALLY came, but left after 2 years which still shocked me that he even picked the Bulls after so much success in L.A. and then there was D Wade who also shocked me by leaving Miami to come to his hometown team and I was like “The Bulls are finally getting better at this free agency thing!” But that lasted even less longer than Pau and then Cleveland with D Rose happened and that was an eventual dead end, as well. So in retrospect, LeBron in Miami was a gift to every NBA fan who witnessed it all as it happened. Sure, the Bulls are still stuck with 6 titles partly because the Heat stopped them from getting 7, but they did all they did with STYLE! And like it’s said in the video… KD to Golden State doesn’t happen without LeBron to Miami. The Heatles gave birth to Dub Nation who culturally eclipsed Rick Barry, Wilt Chamberlain, Run TMC, and the “We Believe” crew led by B. Diddy.
I laughed so much at the "We had a much better reason to hate on Aldridge than Cleveland on Lebron, because Aldridge had a much better cast". Because it sums up why Lebron left so much. The cavs (and have been for the most part) were a really shit organization. You had one of the most generational talents and weren't able to build something decent with him, even making confrontations between players BEFORE he was even drafted. Then he blossomed into a perennial MVP candidate and made some good HEAD coach decisions (They could've done way worse than Mike Brown, but his coaching staff was horrible) but still have a shitty roster. They had really good pieces: Big Z, Varejao, Mo Williams. But at the end of the day, they weren't able to use those pieces to either further the roster or properly compete. Miami on the other hand is a team like the Spurs, always competing, and, most importantly, well run. People like to joke about LeGM but in most of his teams, the front office is a shitshow. Miami is the only exception for Lebron and he got to the finals 4 times, won 2, and faced some of the best teams we've seen in NBA history. Why? Because they had a specific culture they were following, had a great coach in Spo, who was backed by Pat Riley when Bosh and LeBron thought he wasn't the right man for the team, who re-watched the Mavs-Heat Finals of 2011 for supposedly TENS or even HUNDREDS OF HOURS to try and figure out why the lost and what he needed to do, so he ended up adapting the whole offense to not only create one of the first "position-less" teams in the NBA, making both D-Wade and LeBron the primary ball handlers and playmakers instead of the traditional point guard, but also the first to succeed with "small-ball". The front office also showed their class. They consistently pursued free agents like Ray Allen or made trades like for Rashard Lewis. They signed good veterans and took a chance on some players that were "problematic" (like Birdman who was coming from being waived and had to earn the spot in a 10-day contract) or with other issues (Greg Oden for example) because they had to do something to complete and further the roster after losing so many picks acquiring both Lebron and Bosh with sign-and-trades. They were able to make more good roster decisions with basically no first round picks until the year LeBron left where they had the 26th pick. It's always easy to root against the superteam, I don't blame anyone for doing so, but critiquing the players for trying to be successful is stupid. If LeBron would've never left, he would be ringless. Because even when he went back to Cleveland, the only reason they were able to make a decent team around LeBron was not of skill or competence, it was luck. They got the 1st Overall pick in 2011 because they accepted a salary dump trade with the Clippers (which are the dumbest team in history for sending an UNPROTECTED FIRST ROUNDER IN A SALARY DUMP), where they got Kyrie, who was the right choice, but they also selected Tristan Thompson with the 4th, over much better players like Jonas Valanciunas, Klay, Kawhi, Vucevic. The next Year they selected Waiters with the 4th pick, over Dame, Harrison Barnes, Drummond. On 2013, they got lucky again but selected Anthony Bennet (the other top options weren't superstars but every other top 10 player had a better NBA career with the likes of Oladipo, Cody Zeller, KCP and CJ Mccollum). Then they got lucky AGAIN, with the Wiggins pick. They had literally 2 1st overall picks, 2 4th overall picks, like 2-3 more late rounds picks and did SHIT ALL. And they were barely able to trade the 1st overall pick on 2014 for K-Love. The only good trade they made around that time was getting J.R Smith and Iman Shumpert. Cleveland has been a shitshow for the whole time.
Something I would love to see is someone who just DOES NOT announce their new team. NOBODY KNOWS. NOBODY TALKED ABOUT IT OUTSIDE THE ROOM. It's Opening night. you're looking through every game, waiting to see their jersey. Then suddenly everyone sees someone like Zion WIlliamson exiting the tunnel in a Mavs jersey and you're like... Holy shit... what...
He played in Cleveland for 7 seasons. Jokic just won in his 8th year in Denver. Giannis has spent 10 years in Milwaukee and won in his 8th season. Jordan won in his 7th season. Also the idea that Lebron had no help is nonsense. He had good solid players around him. The problem is NBA fans now believe a team must have 3-4 hall of famers and 5 all-stars on the team. Did the Cabs not make it to the Finals in 07? But trash team right? 🙄 Btw Boston's big 3 happened through trades. KG did not demand to go to Boston. Ray Allen didn't want to go to Boston at 1st. Lebron, Wade, and Bosh worked together to sign deals that made sure they all became free agents at the same time so the 3 of them could team up and go anywhere. They've openly talked about doing this. KG, Pierce, and Ray Allen did not do this. People forget that Wade was also a free agent and had looked at the Bulls.
@@roboninja3194who was the 2nd best player with LeBron the first time in Cleveland? People act like Jordan didn't have Pippen (who was part of the NBA's Top 50 players) and what did Kobe do between Shaq and Pau? And what makes you think that the Cavs would've picked an All-Star or All NBA player in the draft if he would have stayed?
@@southpawslim1and Pippen no where as good as DWade Pippen was drafted he also was not that good so he still lost with Pippen ppl acting like when Pippen joined the Bulls the Bulls started winning right away which is not Pippen became good because of MJ but ye leaving the Cavs was the right decision for him BUT the way he did it is wrong he formed a superteam if he did go to the Bulls or other good teams that needs another superstar to win it all he will not get crucified but when he got notified that CBosh is gonna go to the Heat he goes to the Heat and much worse they lost in their first year thats why his Heat run is his villain arc but his Cavs 2nd stint is his redemption arc The Lakers years are just cherry on top on solidfying his legacy
@@southpawslim1lebron has never had 2 other top 75 players on his team like Jordan did lol. Jordan had a super team too idk what this guys talking about
@quavogotfame7060 its justified hate in a way I guess, but the Cavs team LeBron had was trash..it's evident by the fact they were number 1! He left and they went to last place! Jordan's first retirement didn't have the same affect on the Bulls..Scottie almost made it to the eastern finals. All while Pippen wins Allstar MVP, Win 55 games and finish 3rd in MVP voting that year.
The no state income tax is a big factor to why the Big 3 teamed up in Miami. Lower taxes mean that taking a pay cut doesn't affect them as much as if they took it while going to a state with high taxes. Wade and Bron could've teamed up elsewhere like Chicago, where Wade is from but they chose Miami for that reason
Convincing players to sign to Cleveland would be a lot less crucial if they did a good enough job drafting, coaching, and training that they had a viable roster. Spurs and warriors, notable for not firing Mike Brown for no reason, say hi
You forgot to mention the Sopranos special the Knicks did just for LeBron to come play with them. Brought James Gandolfini and Edie Falco in for it too.
True but I will say he wasn't top 10 at the time more like top 12 and d wade quickly fell off due to injuries after 2011 so that "superteam" only really lasted one maybe two years😢
Do this Lebron retrospective for 2014 FA! Not as big but still big… also could do when he left in 2018 … I love the what ifs!!!!! Please more what ifs!!!!!!!!
I’m not a LeBron hater by any means, and I don’t blame him for leaving Cleveland because Cleveland thought that they had enough to win with him and they were never going to give him hell. Cleveland only started trying to build a good team after he left because they didn’t have LeBron that’s why there was a team there for him to come back to. So no, I don’t blame him for wanting to leave but it’s the whole super team thing that I think people take points away from. Like I think if he and Chris Bosh went to another team together. I think that would’ve been more acceptable to basketball fans. But this guy was supposed to be the next in line after Kobe Bryant, and it took LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris, bosh, and Ray Allen to get his first championship.
"A declining Dwayne Wade." Tf?! Wade was drafted the same season Lebron was. Wade is 2 years older than Lebron. And he was in no way shape or form in decline while on the Heat from 2010 to 2013-14.
He was still elite when Lebron and Bosh joined, but by 2014 and that finals against the spurs he was definitely not the same player and wasn’t going to be flash again.
The hour long special really shows his superstar status. I feel like there is pretty much nobody today that would draw that kind of interest the way that he did.
Everyone forgets that when LeBron and Bosh joined DWade and the Heat, there was only one other person on the roster. Mario Chalmers, and he wasn't at the infamous Heat introductory concert. Only Wade, Bosh, and LeBron were on stage.
The Bulls ended up having a better record than them healthy, and they beat the Bulls in the playoffs partially because they put LeBron on DRose. I think the Bulls would’ve been a better decision in the immediate and long run. He would’ve took some pressure off DRose likely preventing major injuries. And even though they wouldn’t have been able to get everyone they got in 2010 free agency, they could’ve afforded enough to still win.
To put Cleveland fans in perspective that’s like Damian Lillard going to a different team and the fans burning his jersey like he did everything he could
22:54 it would be the most Ja Morant thing ever to hold a Decision style hour long press conference and go “I’m taking my talents to South… Beale Street.” Then just crack up laughing!
I remember me and my friend being like 12 having arguments that he would join the Bulls because for some reason i was convinced as a kid that lebron was trying everything in his power to become the next Jordan to that extent😂 i was rightfully called an idiot. IMO im happy the Heat years happened
I wasn’t into basketball until the start of 2020(I know it’s embarrassing to say but 2k during quarantine is what got me into basketball) but as a kid I always remember my dad being happy when LeBron won the two titles he won with the Heat. My dad’s a huge LeBron fan and when I think LeBron I think of the Heat. Even if when I started watching basketball he was with the Lakers One day I plan to rewatch LeBron’s tenure with the Heat, to see what I was missing out on, but overall I think he made the right decision to go to the Heat
One thing that you didn't mention was there were leaks earlier in the day that he was going to go to Miami. Around The Horn and PTI both had segments talking about him joining Bosh and Wade with the heat. This made the sitdown interview thing even more annoying. It wasn't an announcement it was a confirmation.
Please re-watch that game 6. LeBron back then would get 27-7-7 whether he was playing hard or not because he was so physically dominant. (He also had 9 turnovers and shot 8/21 that game.) But if you can't tell the difference between that 2010 game 6 vs Boston and the 2012 game 6 vs Boston ...
I remember watching that shit and was thinking "he's not leaving Cleveland right" then yeah right when Wade and Bosh got on TV smiling and cheesing I knew it was over. I remember just turning it off and going back to playing GTA IV.
For the end of the video talking about players moving all the time. I didn't grow up in or near Sacramento but watching Demarcus cousins play was awesome so I became a kings fan. But then when he left I just stuck with the kings
Lebron quit in game 5 in the Celtics series at home with the series tied 2-2 not game 6 kids. And to say Lebron had no help in Cleveland is just be ignorant. The Cavs had the best record in the NBA in 2009-2010. Remember this was in the era before super-teams became a huge thing. The Celtics ushered in a new era. You still had one maybe two superstars and then role players. The Cavs did just about everything to turn over their roster to help James. Their roster included: Daniel Gibson, Daniel Green, JJ Hickson, Z, Lebron, Anderson Varejao, Antawn Jamison, Jamario Moon, Shaq, Anthony Parker, Leon Powe, Sebastian Telfair, Delonte West, Jawad Williams, and Mo Williams. That ain’t chop liver.
Cool but let's be honest they still ain't winning a chip and other than great defence from the cavs the other reason they got 61 games win and 66 games win is because lebron played mvp level bb both on the offence and defence.
Timestamps for those of you curious: 0:00 - 1:43 - Intro 1:44 - 5:26 - The Leadup 5:27 - 16:34 - The Meetings 16:35 - 23:03 - The Day of The Decision 23:04 - 32:47 - The Aftermath 32:48 - End - Legacy of The Decision
Am I the only one imagining what if LeBron Wade and Bosh formed their big 3 in Cleveland or Toronto instead of Miami and how their roster would be with the Cavs or Raptors and how the NBA market of those teams would change.... But of course LeBron and Bosh have reasons why they left the teams that drafted them (with the former returning in Cleveland in 2014 and left again in 2018 to join the Lakers after winning a title with the Cavs in 2016) Then James and Wade teamed up again in Cleveland in the 2017-2018 season but Wade wasn't the same in his prime but still have some gas in the tank (and he got traded back to the Heat midway).
bro, we should of been friends all those years ago cuz i’m from vegas, i didn’t have a team. i chose to be a massive lebron fan and i was sick of the shitty teams but more than anything, i was sick as fuck of all the kobe and jordan fans talking shit about lebron. i wanted him to leave. first we heard the bulls when broussard seemed confident. then the morning of the decision we heard miami. but i truly thought he was gonna stay. but i was ecstatic when he left. and i seemed to be the only one. i’ve never taken so much shit wearing my lebron heat jerseys. and when he finally won a title, it felt as if i won a title, that’s how much it meant to me. but i hated kobe and the lakers. i, like you, have found it difficult to root for the lakers even with lebron on that team. we should of been friends man, i needed you all those years ago. but man, as Blazers fans (worry about that) i’m surprised you guys haven’t made a video about the rotten luck. or maybe you have and i haven’t looked hard enough yet. but sam bowie over jordan, then oden over durant. like those aren’t pick and choose where anyone would of taken x, y, and z over giannis so you can’t blame them, that’s not what happened here. there were plenty of teams what would of taken durant and every other team in the nba would of taken jordan. there’s some other bad ones too, i remember my brothers and i talking about this. i’m sure you guys would remember, i don’t off the top of my head but there’s some other really egregious portland picks in recent memory. who’s to blame for all these misses? in a different reality, portland could be one of the premiere franchises in the NBA with multiple titles cuz great teams attract great players, it could of just kept of going and going, you never know.
Lebron was ultimately traded to Heat so the Cavs didn’t just let him walk. Cavs got 2 firsts, 2 seconds, a swap in 2012 and a trade exception. Raptors got the same thing for Bosh in rotating years.
@@youngboy2pacdrake that has nothing to do with what I said. I was just clarifying that the Cavs and raptors both did a sign and trade with Lebron and Bosh to receive compensation for losing their superstar.
My favorite thing about the decision is that there is a video of the Shrek from the Chicago production of Shrek the Musical and he literally threatens to eat LeBron if he didn’t join the Bulls
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“I’m gonna take my talents to South Beach and join the Miami Heat”
10/10 LeBron
Cleveland burns to the ground!!!!
He tried to copy Kobe n it didn’t replicate same energy 😂
@Gandix no he didn't and he's better than Kobe not even an argument
@@markdorsey5150 u Krazy den a Betsy bug
@OakTownBizz-zm8rx hahahah I'm just saying. But also never heard Betsy bug before had to look it up and I'm now adding it to my vocabulary. Thank you hahahaha
Of all the things an Englishman would expect to see in an NBA video, Brass Eye was a million miles away. I already loved this channel but I am recommending it to my Partridge friends now.
Thank You!
I always thought that he was going to Miami after he made the announcement to not weat 23 for the next season. It was after a game in Miami and Miami was one of the teams that had retired 23 in honour of MJ.
I thought he was going to Chicago. Was a huge post MJ Bulls fan. The team they built through the draft, and by 2010 were ready to contend. When he applied to change his number from 23 to 6 it was pretty clear he was going somewhere.
Lmfao, knock it off. You got that from that dude video about all the little signs that were missed looking back.
Don't pretend like you really thought or knew that back then.
@@LaidBack-- 😂
@@jpmnkydrose aint wanna play w him
You sound like LeBron when he said he looked to his boys and said he knew kobe was gonna drop 80 😭
As I got into European Football more, I find it INSANE how in Football your lauded if you go win trophies in different leagues and teams when in basketball your RIDICULED to know end for leaving your team 😅
Wtf you talking about 😂
@@Anarchyontheweb in football (soccer) if you can go to a team, and end up helping them win the league, a league cup, a European championship you are given your props. In the nba because it’s such a small league where you either play in the western or eastern conference, you get ridiculed and judged harshly for leaving the team that took you in, even if it’s one of the shit teams, that have been shit for years and seem to have no direction-aka the Cavs when LeBron was there for 7 years (2003-2010) and somehow never got another good player to help him out. Look at what happened as soon as Cleveland has another star (Kyrie) and some good role players (Kevin love) all he needed was some role players that would put up 8-14 points and another star. But for 7 years the Cavs couldn’t do anything, and people think LeBron should’ve stayed. Not all teams can be like the warriors or 80’s and 90’s bulls head office. The fact that the Cavs head office weren’t able to get any decent player that was on the level of LeBron for seven years and everyone could see how hard he was carrying the Cavs is crazy. You get one-two decent players and one that could see the potential for a ring if they do their part with LeBron is crazy.
You're right. Like, say Harry Kane leaves Tottenham this summer, I don't see Tottenham fans burning his shirt (unless he signs for Arsenal or something)
@@milk__teee Well yeah because the NBA is one league whereas football is multiple leagues in different countries, hate for football transfers only pours in when you go from to your previous team's rivals in the league, like from Borussia to Dortmund, or Barca to Real
@@AceTheSkylord For sure, if Harry Kane leaves England and plays spurs in the UCL he probably won’t get hated, but if joins arsenal he’ll definitely get booed.
This is when players were no longer at the mercy of owners, it was the other way around. The craziest thing is people don't even realize the decision raised MILLIONS for the boys and girls club
That’s irrelevant. He could have raised millions during his tenure in CLE. This was a glorified fund raiser to cover his tracks for cheating the grind.
@@TeezyfolKKzhe was in Cleveland for 7 years, they had a shit front office that wouldn’t get him help
@adg9042 That's an excuse. He had to have some type of help because in 2008-2009, they go 61-21 and the next year in 2009-2010, they go 66-16 so he had to have some help. LeBron just chokes and some short in big moments like he has always done
Yeah he raised millions, it was also less then what he made in a year. You can look at it in a lot of different ways but it was just a pr stunt.
@@Kings0424Had some help? LOL, when he left Cavs went on and win how many games again 😂😂😂
On the topic of superteams that were formed in NBA history, the Lakers in the late 60s and early 70s had 3 of the top 5 guys in the league (Wilt, Elgin, and West)
The thing is that Bosh was never a Top 10 player lol, in 2010 Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Dirk, Dwight, Cp3, KD, D.Rose, Duncan, Parker, KG, Deron Williams, Nash, Pau Gasol ect were better than him imo, Bosh was more like Top 20-Top 15
None of those players asked to join other superstars to get cheap rings and for the person above Gasol never asked to be traded to the Lakers. On the other hand this man has been tampering for years yet the league didn't do 💩 bout it
And the fact that these guys called the Spurs a bunch of old guys in the 07 Finals is crazy none of those players were old by basketball terms.
That Kobe vs lebron match up was set up already by thr league those years the cavs were 60 plus wins for two seasons straight n lebron winning mvp but yet the media would say he makes his teammates better tho lol that's a joke he has never made his teammates better. Lebron got exposed by western teams n showed the world the man doesn't have basketball Fundamentals like MJ n Kobe
@@SilentMovements305bud wrote a paragraph crying about lebron
West & Baylor were drafted there. Completely different circumstances.
@@demonNthesn0wyou ignored reading it…just to comment.
Just had to pause for a second when you were talking on Mike Brown's firing. Mike Brown was and is a phenomenal defensive coach, and you can see that wherever he's been. Warriors defense was unreal with him as assistant. The Kings success this year starts on the defensive end, and he's grown a lot as a coach on the offensive side of the ball. He's crushing it and I'm rooting for him.
Mike Brown on his first Cavs stint was, in a word, flawed. Granted, his personnel outside of LeBron wasn't great, but come playoff time the offense was always stagnant, and *always* defaulted to "hey LeBron, do something amazing". You can imagine why LeBron wouldn't be enthused about another season or more of that. On top of this, he was still figuring out how to read and apply mid-game adjustments and was simply outcoached in '09 and '10. The Magic series especially showed how SVG would be constantly adjusting and changing what wasn't working, while the Cavs continued the same old gameplan every quarter and every game.
Given all that, there was not a lot of confidence that LeBron would want anything to do with him that summer. It's understandable that they thought that, coach of the year or not, firing him would give the Cavs a better shot at keeping LeBron in town.
Great video though. Very thorough.
As a Cleveland native. I didn't put blame on him. Look at the roster. I was just disappointed he made an hour long special out of it
yeah defintely he shoudl have just made the decision but not like have a 1 hour 15 minute thng on espn
@@Love2Musgrave you guys are slow he was the second most popular player at the time behind Kobe 😂😂his final decision was big news that's how the media works you make a spectacle of these decisions. If Kobe had left in 2006 that would have more than likely got the same coverage.
The scariest part about LeBron possibly joining the bulls was that after they signed Bron they would've STILL had a max slot available.
As much as I was disappointed he wasn’t coming to Chicago after all, I did have the suspicion he wouldn’t come because at the time, the Bulls had every difficulty drawing big names to play for them. Couldn’t get Yao, Kobe, T-Mac, KG, Ray, they couldn’t get anybody until Pau FINALLY came, but left after 2 years which still shocked me that he even picked the Bulls after so much success in L.A. and then there was D Wade who also shocked me by leaving Miami to come to his hometown team and I was like “The Bulls are finally getting better at this free agency thing!” But that lasted even less longer than Pau and then Cleveland with D Rose happened and that was an eventual dead end, as well.
So in retrospect, LeBron in Miami was a gift to every NBA fan who witnessed it all as it happened. Sure, the Bulls are still stuck with 6 titles partly because the Heat stopped them from getting 7, but they did all they did with STYLE! And like it’s said in the video… KD to Golden State doesn’t happen without LeBron to Miami. The Heatles gave birth to Dub Nation who culturally eclipsed Rick Barry, Wilt Chamberlain, Run TMC, and the “We Believe” crew led by B. Diddy.
I laughed so much at the "We had a much better reason to hate on Aldridge than Cleveland on Lebron, because Aldridge had a much better cast". Because it sums up why Lebron left so much. The cavs (and have been for the most part) were a really shit organization. You had one of the most generational talents and weren't able to build something decent with him, even making confrontations between players BEFORE he was even drafted. Then he blossomed into a perennial MVP candidate and made some good HEAD coach decisions (They could've done way worse than Mike Brown, but his coaching staff was horrible) but still have a shitty roster. They had really good pieces: Big Z, Varejao, Mo Williams. But at the end of the day, they weren't able to use those pieces to either further the roster or properly compete. Miami on the other hand is a team like the Spurs, always competing, and, most importantly, well run. People like to joke about LeGM but in most of his teams, the front office is a shitshow. Miami is the only exception for Lebron and he got to the finals 4 times, won 2, and faced some of the best teams we've seen in NBA history. Why? Because they had a specific culture they were following, had a great coach in Spo, who was backed by Pat Riley when Bosh and LeBron thought he wasn't the right man for the team, who re-watched the Mavs-Heat Finals of 2011 for supposedly TENS or even HUNDREDS OF HOURS to try and figure out why the lost and what he needed to do, so he ended up adapting the whole offense to not only create one of the first "position-less" teams in the NBA, making both D-Wade and LeBron the primary ball handlers and playmakers instead of the traditional point guard, but also the first to succeed with "small-ball". The front office also showed their class. They consistently pursued free agents like Ray Allen or made trades like for Rashard Lewis. They signed good veterans and took a chance on some players that were "problematic" (like Birdman who was coming from being waived and had to earn the spot in a 10-day contract) or with other issues (Greg Oden for example) because they had to do something to complete and further the roster after losing so many picks acquiring both Lebron and Bosh with sign-and-trades. They were able to make more good roster decisions with basically no first round picks until the year LeBron left where they had the 26th pick. It's always easy to root against the superteam, I don't blame anyone for doing so, but critiquing the players for trying to be successful is stupid. If LeBron would've never left, he would be ringless. Because even when he went back to Cleveland, the only reason they were able to make a decent team around LeBron was not of skill or competence, it was luck. They got the 1st Overall pick in 2011 because they accepted a salary dump trade with the Clippers (which are the dumbest team in history for sending an UNPROTECTED FIRST ROUNDER IN A SALARY DUMP), where they got Kyrie, who was the right choice, but they also selected Tristan Thompson with the 4th, over much better players like Jonas Valanciunas, Klay, Kawhi, Vucevic. The next Year they selected Waiters with the 4th pick, over Dame, Harrison Barnes, Drummond. On 2013, they got lucky again but selected Anthony Bennet (the other top options weren't superstars but every other top 10 player had a better NBA career with the likes of Oladipo, Cody Zeller, KCP and CJ Mccollum). Then they got lucky AGAIN, with the Wiggins pick. They had literally 2 1st overall picks, 2 4th overall picks, like 2-3 more late rounds picks and did SHIT ALL. And they were barely able to trade the 1st overall pick on 2014 for K-Love. The only good trade they made around that time was getting J.R Smith and Iman Shumpert. Cleveland has been a shitshow for the whole time.
I mean KG did say "we knew LeBron couldnt beat the 5 of us" or something like that. Basically it was 1v5 & other teams knew it
Something I would love to see is someone who just DOES NOT announce their new team. NOBODY KNOWS. NOBODY TALKED ABOUT IT OUTSIDE THE ROOM. It's Opening night. you're looking through every game, waiting to see their jersey. Then suddenly everyone sees someone like Zion WIlliamson exiting the tunnel in a Mavs jersey and you're like... Holy shit... what...
This aint the wwe. Every transaction will eventually be announced
@@king96300 is it like a rule that is has to be or just cause
@trashcuber7654 transactions have to be announced in order for teams to know who is available on the market and who is not
@@king96300 makes sense lmao
@@trashcuber7654cool thought tho
The reason I think it’s acceptable for Lebron to join Miami is that Lebron was getting no help in Cleveland and Boston had a big three too
He played in Cleveland for 7 seasons. Jokic just won in his 8th year in Denver. Giannis has spent 10 years in Milwaukee and won in his 8th season. Jordan won in his 7th season. Also the idea that Lebron had no help is nonsense. He had good solid players around him. The problem is NBA fans now believe a team must have 3-4 hall of famers and 5 all-stars on the team. Did the Cabs not make it to the Finals in 07? But trash team right? 🙄
Btw Boston's big 3 happened through trades. KG did not demand to go to Boston. Ray Allen didn't want to go to Boston at 1st. Lebron, Wade, and Bosh worked together to sign deals that made sure they all became free agents at the same time so the 3 of them could team up and go anywhere. They've openly talked about doing this. KG, Pierce, and Ray Allen did not do this. People forget that Wade was also a free agent and had looked at the Bulls.
@@roboninja3194who was the 2nd best player with LeBron the first time in Cleveland? People act like Jordan didn't have Pippen (who was part of the NBA's Top 50 players) and what did Kobe do between Shaq and Pau? And what makes you think that the Cavs would've picked an All-Star or All NBA player in the draft if he would have stayed?
@@southpawslim1and Pippen no where as good as DWade Pippen was drafted he also was not that good so he still lost with Pippen ppl acting like when Pippen joined the Bulls the Bulls started winning right away which is not
Pippen became good because of MJ
but ye leaving the Cavs was the right decision for him BUT the way he did it is wrong he formed a superteam if he did go to the Bulls or other good teams that needs another superstar to win it all he will not get crucified but when he got notified that CBosh is gonna go to the Heat he goes to the Heat
and much worse they lost in their first year thats why his Heat run is his villain arc but his Cavs 2nd stint is his redemption arc
The Lakers years are just cherry on top on solidfying his legacy
@@southpawslim1lebron has never had 2 other top 75 players on his team like Jordan did lol. Jordan had a super team too idk what this guys talking about
@quavogotfame7060 its justified hate in a way I guess, but the Cavs team LeBron had was trash..it's evident by the fact they were number 1! He left and they went to last place! Jordan's first retirement didn't have the same affect on the Bulls..Scottie almost made it to the eastern finals. All while Pippen wins Allstar MVP, Win 55 games and finish 3rd in MVP voting that year.
Im 16 minutes in and Im loving every minute of this video. Its hilarious
My new fave channel, you guys are dope and your editing is on point
Appreciate it!!
The fact that this channel is as small as is astonishes me. Your videos are beyond entertaining
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In regards to player empowerment, imo I’ve always said idc if a player goes from one team to the next as long as it’s not a superteam.
The no state income tax is a big factor to why the Big 3 teamed up in Miami. Lower taxes mean that taking a pay cut doesn't affect them as much as if they took it while going to a state with high taxes. Wade and Bron could've teamed up elsewhere like Chicago, where Wade is from but they chose Miami for that reason
Convincing players to sign to Cleveland would be a lot less crucial if they did a good enough job drafting, coaching, and training that they had a viable roster. Spurs and warriors, notable for not firing Mike Brown for no reason, say hi
Love these retrospectives videos
Loving your channel. You’re vids are great. Can’t wait for this
Nice of you guys not to mention Delonte West.
This is easily the best nba RUclips channel
wrong opinion
You forgot to mention the Sopranos special the Knicks did just for LeBron to come play with them.
Brought James Gandolfini and Edie Falco in for it too.
No gabagool, that was the dealbreaker for Bron.
Just got yelled at by my boss for laughin so loud haha. The Gender Reveal for Free Agency had me dyin'!!!!
Dunking on people was basically the only thing Hickson was known for. Also that was Jim Gray interviewing LeBron not Bob Costas.
People be quick to discredit Bosh to say Lebron wasn't on a super team
True but I will say he wasn't top 10 at the time more like top 12 and d wade quickly fell off due to injuries after 2011 so that "superteam" only really lasted one maybe two years😢
Bro I got invested. You need to make a full "what if" video on lebron going to chicago
Thanks RUclips recommendations. This is fantastic lol the humor and edits are excellent
Do this Lebron retrospective for 2014 FA! Not as big but still big… also could do when he left in 2018 … I love the what ifs!!!!! Please more what ifs!!!!!!!!
I think those are both good stories with enough elements to fill a video. Him leaving Cleveland the second time i would love to see
1:03 the little flash of Durant is hilarious
dont forget that lbj wasnt the only one planning on chicago. dwade was planning to join lebron there.
duaine wade > kobe > mj
I’m not a LeBron hater by any means, and I don’t blame him for leaving Cleveland because Cleveland thought that they had enough to win with him and they were never going to give him hell. Cleveland only started trying to build a good team after he left because they didn’t have LeBron that’s why there was a team there for him to come back to.
So no, I don’t blame him for wanting to leave but it’s the whole super team thing that I think people take points away from. Like I think if he and Chris Bosh went to another team together. I think that would’ve been more acceptable to basketball fans. But this guy was supposed to be the next in line after Kobe Bryant, and it took LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris, bosh, and Ray Allen to get his first championship.
ray allen? bruh didn’t join the heat until after lebrons first championship
Maybe that was the plan all along… leave the trashfire, wait for them to build an ok team, then join said ok team, boosting them to championship level
idk how these guys aren't bigger... they are so entertaining
Just came here off of your Lob City retrospective. You sirs have a new subscriber and fan in me 🫡
"A declining Dwayne Wade." Tf?! Wade was drafted the same season Lebron was. Wade is 2 years older than Lebron. And he was in no way shape or form in decline while on the Heat from 2010 to 2013-14.
even wade said he was, wade knee is acting up before lebron came.
He was still elite when Lebron and Bosh joined, but by 2014 and that finals against the spurs he was definitely not the same player and wasn’t going to be flash again.
Respect DWade, he was a T5 player at the time they teamed up.
The hour long special really shows his superstar status. I feel like there is pretty much nobody today that would draw that kind of interest the way that he did.
Everyone forgets that when LeBron and Bosh joined DWade and the Heat, there was only one other person on the roster. Mario Chalmers, and he wasn't at the infamous Heat introductory concert. Only Wade, Bosh, and LeBron were on stage.
The Bulls ended up having a better record than them healthy, and they beat the Bulls in the playoffs partially because they put LeBron on DRose. I think the Bulls would’ve been a better decision in the immediate and long run. He would’ve took some pressure off DRose likely preventing major injuries. And even though they wouldn’t have been able to get everyone they got in 2010 free agency, they could’ve afforded enough to still win.
Wade was a top 5, if not, top 3 player at the time of the decision.
Thanks for including that Chris Morris clip 😊
another gr8 made vid keep it up yall
We will!
This video is full of misinformation 😭😭 far from great
Nah I gotta disagree on the huge portion part.
Most fans forgave him when he came back to Cleveland and finally gave them their ring.
Being a Cavs fan my whole life I can say with 100% certainty that JJ Hickson would dunk on people.
You’re channel too underrated man
Lmao I just found this channel and I’m loving it great content energy and editing
Correction: Kobe was still the best player in the world during the 2010 decision. But Lebron was the future going into the 2010's.
Wrong all wrong. LeBron had won 2 mvps before then to Kobe's 1. Not at all was Kobe better.
Lebron and D. Wade were both trying to get to the Bulls at that time but the deal never materialized.
wrong opinion lol nba casual fan
To put Cleveland fans in perspective that’s like Damian Lillard going to a different team and the fans burning his jersey like he did everything he could
All the wrestling gifs, need a wrestling related video outa these guys for the one time one day 🙏🏾
Yooo this channel fire keep makin vids love this material🔥🔥🔥Dan Gilbert is a cluck lmao the letter
27:45 Downplaying Bosh and Wade is crazy. They were for sure both top 5 in their positions
They’re casuals… :)
@@justasijus true opinion wade bosh lebron overrated
22:54 it would be the most Ja Morant thing ever to hold a Decision style hour long press conference and go “I’m taking my talents to South… Beale Street.” Then just crack up laughing!
Yall need more subs.
I remember me and my friend being like 12 having arguments that he would join the Bulls because for some reason i was convinced as a kid that lebron was trying everything in his power to become the next Jordan to that extent😂 i was rightfully called an idiot. IMO im happy the Heat years happened
I wasn’t into basketball until the start of 2020(I know it’s embarrassing to say but 2k during quarantine is what got me into basketball) but as a kid I always remember my dad being happy when LeBron won the two titles he won with the Heat. My dad’s a huge LeBron fan and when I think LeBron I think of the Heat. Even if when I started watching basketball he was with the Lakers
One day I plan to rewatch LeBron’s tenure with the Heat, to see what I was missing out on, but overall I think he made the right decision to go to the Heat
One thing that you didn't mention was there were leaks earlier in the day that he was going to go to Miami. Around The Horn and PTI both had segments talking about him joining Bosh and Wade with the heat. This made the sitdown interview thing even more annoying. It wasn't an announcement it was a confirmation.
I like the Cody Ko cameo
Amare stoudemire wasn’t in the 2003 nba draft?? Bro you guys got like 5-10 things wrong in here
KD’s move was so much worse
Please re-watch that game 6. LeBron back then would get 27-7-7 whether he was playing hard or not because he was so physically dominant. (He also had 9 turnovers and shot 8/21 that game.)
But if you can't tell the difference between that 2010 game 6 vs Boston and the 2012 game 6 vs Boston ...
I remember watching that shit and was thinking "he's not leaving Cleveland right" then yeah right when Wade and Bosh got on TV smiling and cheesing I knew it was over. I remember just turning it off and going back to playing GTA IV.
I subbed for the brass eye opening 😂
You two compliment each other usually two guys goofing on video are annoying but you guys are cool
I was the one who put the title card of the special on it's Wikipedia page.
DId I get the right shot of it I screenshoted it from a RUclips upload of the Full special.
Great video - won't take the JJ Hickson slander tho. JJ stood for "Just Jam" baby
MJ would have burned the building down with ever Bulls fan in it before letting James win a ring wearing 23.
5 minutes in and I can tell why this video has 250 k views instead of 2 million.
For the end of the video talking about players moving all the time. I didn't grow up in or near Sacramento but watching Demarcus cousins play was awesome so I became a kings fan. But then when he left I just stuck with the kings
That Dan Gilbert $17.41 factoid is so petty it's inspirational. Like I look up to being able to be that petty
Lebron quit in game 5 in the Celtics series at home with the series tied 2-2 not game 6 kids. And to say Lebron had no help in Cleveland is just be ignorant. The Cavs had the best record in the NBA in 2009-2010. Remember this was in the era before super-teams became a huge thing. The Celtics ushered in a new era. You still had one maybe two superstars and then role players. The Cavs did just about everything to turn over their roster to help James. Their roster included: Daniel Gibson, Daniel Green, JJ Hickson, Z, Lebron, Anderson Varejao, Antawn Jamison, Jamario Moon, Shaq, Anthony Parker, Leon Powe, Sebastian Telfair, Delonte West, Jawad Williams, and Mo Williams. That ain’t chop liver.
Cool but let's be honest they still ain't winning a chip and other than great defence from the cavs the other reason they got 61 games win and 66 games win is because lebron played mvp level bb both on the offence and defence.
You can’t understand it because players didn’t do those things until Lebron did it and Wade was a top 5 player in the league.
JJ hickson was a beast slick
Timestamps for those of you curious:
0:00 - 1:43 - Intro
1:44 - 5:26 - The Leadup
5:27 - 16:34 - The Meetings
16:35 - 23:03 - The Day of The Decision
23:04 - 32:47 - The Aftermath
32:48 - End - Legacy of The Decision
I was doing my Chemistry test, almost vacation. Men.... It was 12 yeras ago, I'm starting felling old hahaha
anyone else catch that vanoss reference?
so funny please keep making content
Lebron: " Yo, Mike I'd love to come to Chicago and play for the bulls but only if I can wear #23
Jordan: "Best I can do is #45"
4:16 can’t forget about Darko Milicic
Lebron had wade and bosh, but he had joel anthony, mario chalmers, old udonis haslem, and norris cole as role player
LeDecissión means the decision in french
and? why does that matter here
Am I the only one imagining what if LeBron Wade and Bosh formed their big 3 in Cleveland or Toronto instead of Miami and how their roster would be with the Cavs or Raptors and how the NBA market of those teams would change....
But of course LeBron and Bosh have reasons why they left the teams that drafted them (with the former returning in Cleveland in 2014 and left again in 2018 to join the Lakers after winning a title with the Cavs in 2016)
Then James and Wade teamed up again in Cleveland in the 2017-2018 season but Wade wasn't the same in his prime but still have some gas in the tank (and he got traded back to the Heat midway).
7:16 8:40 10:34 11:17 12:48 13:38 13:50 16:00 16:45 18:00 20:30 21:32 21:53 22:36 23:53 24:30 25:36 26:32 27:18 28:57 30:23 34:15
Mitchell was the only kid that was happy for LeBron leaving the Cav's
Fans need to chant "please retire" like wwe fans did to big shoe
8:04 is that Bishop T.D. Jakes?? 😂😂😂😂
He did the boys and girls club piece to make sure he got minimum amount of blowback for this BS.
The only thing more unforgivable than the decision are those sleeved jerseys.
bro, we should of been friends all those years ago cuz i’m from vegas, i didn’t have a team. i chose to be a massive lebron fan and i was sick of the shitty teams but more than anything, i was sick as fuck of all the kobe and jordan fans talking shit about lebron. i wanted him to leave. first we heard the bulls when broussard seemed confident. then the morning of the decision we heard miami. but i truly thought he was gonna stay. but i was ecstatic when he left. and i seemed to be the only one. i’ve never taken so much shit wearing my lebron heat jerseys. and when he finally won a title, it felt as if i won a title, that’s how much it meant to me. but i hated kobe and the lakers. i, like you, have found it difficult to root for the lakers even with lebron on that team. we should of been friends man, i needed you all those years ago.
but man, as Blazers fans (worry about that) i’m surprised you guys haven’t made a video about the rotten luck. or maybe you have and i haven’t looked hard enough yet. but sam bowie over jordan, then oden over durant. like those aren’t pick and choose where anyone would of taken x, y, and z over giannis so you can’t blame them, that’s not what happened here. there were plenty of teams what would of taken durant and every other team in the nba would of taken jordan. there’s some other bad ones too, i remember my brothers and i talking about this. i’m sure you guys would remember, i don’t off the top of my head but there’s some other really egregious portland picks in recent memory. who’s to blame for all these misses? in a different reality, portland could be one of the premiere franchises in the NBA with multiple titles cuz great teams attract great players, it could of just kept of going and going, you never know.
if he went to the Clippers he would have double screwed Cleveland. No Kyrie
I dont think anyone will ever have the essence and impact on a team like MJ, Chicago or not
They did not want to trade Hickson for Amare but trades him for Casspi in the offseason. The Cavs deserve all the bad things that happen to them.
As a patriots fan, I know how Cavs fans feel. I mean, Tom Brady isn’t a snake. But when he was a free agent I was TWEAKING
Wade was the 3rd best player in the world 27:42
Lebron was ultimately traded to Heat so the Cavs didn’t just let him walk. Cavs got 2 firsts, 2 seconds, a swap in 2012 and a trade exception. Raptors got the same thing for Bosh in rotating years.
no wrong opinion
@@youngboy2pacdrake 😂😂 1 opinions can’t be wrong 2 nothing wrong about what I posted
@@gandix5516 no lebron want go celtics in 2005 but after jordan told him dont lebron join heat in 2010
@@youngboy2pacdrake foreigner moment
@@youngboy2pacdrake that has nothing to do with what I said. I was just clarifying that the Cavs and raptors both did a sign and trade with Lebron and Bosh to receive compensation for losing their superstar.
- click on a Lebron James Video
- see Steve Coogan in a bald cap
Wildest 37 seconds of my life
Lebron to the bulls: i want to wear 23
Jordan: I took that personally
My favorite thing about the decision is that there is a video of the Shrek from the Chicago production of Shrek the Musical and he literally threatens to eat LeBron if he didn’t join the Bulls