Matt, thank you for your talk at Wollongong (29/1/25), and for you clear and courageous treatment of those unhappy with the Church's teaching on homosexuality. Pax
Matt, could you please consider having Rachel Wilson on for this topic. She wrote an in-depth book on feminism called "Occult Feminism". She seems extremely well researched on feminism.
I saw her first interview on this channel 1 year ago and she inspired me to go down the rabbit hole of Mary & her supreme example of femeninity and it was through this woman Dr. Carrie that I realized feminism is truly anti woman. And me exploring Mary, well let’s just say 1 year later I’m fully reverted back to Catholicism and it’s the best thing ever ❤ I’m grateful to God for faithful Catholics who obey His will and share their knowledge with others!!!
As a child, there is nothing more divine than a loving mother who is a good homemaker. The duties of a wife and mother are irreplaceable. God Bless all the homemakers out there!
I totally agree with you! From the 1970's on, it was offensive to be called a housewife! Women began having their careers and putting their children into daycare. Marriages and children began to suffer! Now, Women are choosing to stay home again. Sadly, it's only the middle class that can afford it. The cost of daycare can sometimes be more expensive then the women earns in a week! Families can downsize! You can't put a price on the health and welfare of your family and you can't get a do over! The sacrifices are worth it! 😊
I truly appreciate this conversation. I loved the last interview and going deeper into this topic is so helpful to me as a thirty year old woman who was told to wait for marriage and get as educated as possible when I was a child. All I wanted was marriage and family and to have a small farm, and that was totally shut down. And I did get my MS degree and worked super hard and yet now here I am ...married with kids and starting my small farm. I'm so much more happy. When I was pushing myself to get a job that would impress extended family I just felt oppressed and exhausted and depressed, and I also gave up so many hobbies during that period of my life because I was too overwhelmed with the work I was pursuing. I'm so glad that God led me to the Church and helped me to embrace my vocation. The women in my graduate school cohort said they hated kids and were super pro abortion/anti marriage and anti religion. They swore constantly and had crippling anxiety...it was so gross to hear them demean mothers. I said in response that I loved children and was excited to have my own one day. Then a lady in the group agreed with me. I'm so glad I spoke up. She no longer felt alone and I encouraged her. Encourage the women around you. More of them hate these lies than you'd think! Even my generation that's constantly thrown under the bus, most of us are throwing off the shackles of feminism because we see it's evil now too. Though there is a sharp divide: super duper feminist and super crunchy moms making their own sour dough and raising chickens!
Super crunchy moms, love it! Such a pure way to express exuberant imperfection. We love our families in the chaos. It doesn't look like a magazine. It isn't peaceful but that isn't the point right now. There are times and seasons in life. Toddlers are pretty crunchy 😂
As a father of 3 I'll take the crunchy mom's any day of the week... God Bless the intelligent women and men of the new generation that see through the evils straight to the Truth of Christ and family.
I met Carrie at a women's conference in Denver last fall. I was super skeptical when I heard she was a speaker but she completely changed my perspective. I immediately bought a signed copy of her book. The work she is doing is so important and her love for women and desire to help them find freedom is incredible.
I just want to say how powerful it was when you said Matt, for fathers not to withdraw affection from their children (especially daughters) when they are older/adolescents! I realized a while back how terribly damaging that was for me with my own father. He is such a good man, but did not know how to interact with us as we are becoming young women. It left me terribly wounded and love/affection hungry! It's only by the grace of God that I didn't fall into terrible relationships with men. It could have easily happened.
1:25:32 About the matriarch, properly understood, is in my view, all those older women, sharing advice, on different matters on household affairs, such as children, cooking, family, even marriage to the younger generation. I saw that in my mother, my aunts, grandmothers. They were together making dinner in the kitchen, and looking back, while us children were playing around, there were so much wisdom, and now, with feminism, is difficult to find much advice other than "get a divorce!" Every single time. Thank you for this talk... My reading list is getting longer and longer every time!
It’s amazing how many women go straight to the idea of getting a divorce. Just in general. I see it on Reddit all the time. Any woman having a problem with her husband or boyfriend…almost every response is leave him. Like dang…nobody learns problem solving anymore.
@@MaolsheachlannÓCeallaigh If I'm recalling correctly, St Paul encourages young women to look to the older moms the widows. Their elders. As a source of spiritual and practical wisdom
Yes! I miss the days sitting around my Nana’s kitchen table after the dishes were done, listening to my Nana, Mom, aunts and older female cousins; talking, bonding and sharing wisdom.
I love hearing about spiritual motherhood. I'm 27 and the only single one of my sisters, most of whom have multiple children. I love taking care of them and cooking big meals for the family. Just being in that role of caregiver is so fulfilling.
I tell my son and daughter, when the conversation comes up, that I would love to have a lot of grand children runny around at my funeral, sick I know, but I tell my son be a strong man be able to lead your household and support your wife, I tell my daughter prioritize your children share them with your husband trust him.
Absolutely fantastic! I'm halfway through and hooked. Thanks Carrie for all your research and interviewing here. Thanks, Matt for having her! Great discussion.
Porn Sites have millions of videos where the "situation" is openly incestuous, pedophilic, or horrifyingly taboo. How it is still legal in the year 2025, is crazy to me.
Love Carrie and her work. A group of us at our Parish are forming a study based on her two books on feminism. Based on this interview, it is now clear we will start with the second book first, as it delves deep into the first wave, and then go back to explore the richness of the original, more Mary themed book. Bravo Carrie!
Dr. Gress sharing her experience with a helpful grandmother at 1:23:00 was so beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing that for all of us who have been impacted by feminism. Thank you for having her on the show. God bless you all. 🙏🏻
This is not a contradiction of what was said about Christian mothers, but I am a chaplain and in the neonatal intensive care unit I have seen often poor women, some with tattoos, amazingly dedicated mothers, often (unusually compared to most in the unit) with 4 or more children. I think maybe those who haven't been so educated, who haven't lived middle class / professional lives might be the ones who have sidestepped feminism more than those of us who listen to podcasts like these.
Yes your right. I live in the UK and I set up and managed community projects. I have never heard any women using those services call themselves a feminist. Also in poorer families both men and women have to work, one man's wage cannot keep a family. I think there is a lot of idealistic nonsense been spouted on catholic channels about women as homemakers and the permanently happy man getting all his needs met when he returns home after a day out and about playing the warrior. Women of poorer classes always had to earn a living, long before feminism or socialism. With all the machines in the house to do all the heavy housework, where would such women be when the children have left home. We know that the devil makes work for idle hands.
@outoforbit00 I'm in the UK too. I found it interesting hearing about medieval times (not here, just remembered) and how women and men both worked, with different responsibilities around their (often subsistence) farms. Of course pre contraception all families would have been bigger and lots of work associated with the children too. I heard one historian say that the biggest difference we would notice between them and now was that fertile aged women would be either breast feeding or pregnant. I'm 56 now and most of my peers have had one or two children. It is a big reduction in family size over three generations I have observed and on reflection I do think there has been a loss and some of the points made here about feminism do resonate.
@auk7447 yes I agree, in fact I have lost a friend because I am quite vocal against feminism. Btw I'm Irish and grew up on a rural farm without machinery. I worked on the farm and in the bog from the age of five. Five children in our family and the neighbours had between 6 and 8. One family had 18 children and the mother RIP died young at the age of 52, she was exhausted by all accounts. Anyway many children in the middle ages didn't survive and many died during childbirth as did the mother. So we should revive the rythm method of contraception.
@@outoforbit00 ah thanks for sharing. I'm off to visit relatives in Galway on Thursday (Irish mother). We were mainly townsfolk. I'm hoping to go to the 'Christ and culture' event on 15th - looks very interesting. Good on you re the feminism critique. I remember seeing people working the bogs. Not so many now I think.
I love that you said previously that you weren’t thrilled with the numbers on her previous podcast but you’re still having her on again! Yay for goodness over profit.
Might be one of my favorite eps! This is such a good conversation, and it really helped me to understand how the feminist ideology has affected the way that I think about myself. Perhaps I don't want to be powerful, but I want to be filled with a quiet grace and humility. Beautiful.
More than anything I'd love to talk to you Dr. Carrie Guess and study more about this! Dr. Gress you are an inspiration and I truly believe in the work you are doing, as a catholic woman I despise feminism and pity those who follow it blindly. God bless
I think the reason beautiful matriarchs are so few and far between us that our mothers and grandmothers have been so bought into the feminist movement that they have grown to be resentful of their motherhood. They couldn't wait to be finished with their child rearing. They throw themselves into the complete self-indulgence of the "retirement lifestyle." They resent being asked to baby sit. They've "done their time." It's very sad! I personally can not wait to be a grandma!
Oh sweetie how I WISH I lived in the same town as one of my adult kids so I could babysit regularly! As it is I spend my summers cramming in as much grandkid time as I can!! We have 12 grandchildren, ranging in age from 18 to 10 months. I LOVE it!
My mother told me when I was in my teens not to expect her to watch my children. She also was openly resentful of men and constantly said negative things about them. Meanwhile, my father was a saint who sacrificed and worked to keep her home and send us to catholic school. It really damaged my relationships with men.
James’ wife here. I loved hearing Carrie talk about her experiences in deep solitary motherhood. I’ve felt this way too and hearing Carrie helped remind me that I am/was not alone in those feelings.
I don’t like that we are painting the picture that all women who stay home and have babies are happy! It’s not about happiness it’s about what is right. I know many women who choose not to stay at home precisely because they see the strife of us stay-at-homes moms. It’s like when people say NFP is easy. No it’s REALLY hard!! But IT IS GOOD!!!!
Thank you for this wonderful conversation. I find such purpose and fulfilment in making home - it's so good to know content like Dr Gress' is being created.
As a man, I’ve loved these conversations with Carrie. I have only sisters, both of my parents have only sisters, and out of 10+ cousins, all but two are women. Being more knowledgeable on feminism in a Catholic context will help me talk about faith with them. Please pray for my Aunt, who was my confirmation sponsor, and last year got into a huge argument with me about abortion. Please also pray for my darling Mother; who called me “brainwashed” on Christmas Eve for opposing abortion in all cases. She also purports to be Catholic.
Matt, thanks for the show. What do you think about moderating a conversion between Carrie Gress, Stephanie Gordon, Abigail Favale, etc. on the subject of feminism? Within the Church there seems to be much confusion about Church teaching concerning the roles of husband and wife, which was not a controversial matter before the rise of feminism. I think that open conversations on podcasts like yours will be helpful in seeing the truth more clearly and separating the wheat from the chaff. Thank you for pursuing the truth in a way that is honest and humble.
Question about the sub-conversation about marriage at the end: what happens if a woman inadvertently marries a man who is an alcoholic or has a similar problem? Sometimes women are forced into sole leadership in the family because the man actually is unreliable.
Maybe if our government would quit shoveling money overseas and to illegals we could easily support these exceptions. Instead we made a system to make eternal welfare the norm and eternal wars the norm. Why? Leftist utopianism.
If anyone wants an interesting read: Chesterton's Whats Wrong with the world has a large section on feminism that was my catalyst for realizing the rot of feminism highly recommend. 👍
St. John Paul the Great also wrote Letter to Women. This was a very beautiful and healing document I read in my early 20s that really opened up the role of women/myself in society. “In this work they exhibit a kind of affective, cultural and spiritual motherhood which has inestimable value for the development of individuals and the future of society.” (LtW 9)
Holy smokes "scraping the plaque off the teeth of strangers" that really stung. I would love to be married and have children and stay home with them and make a home, But, at 35, it would seem that God doesn't have that plan for me. So I am studying dental hygiene hahaha I have to be independent now, because who else will take care of me when I'm old? And, if I am going to be childless I want to make enough money to give to my siblings' kids.
I met my husband at 37, married him 7 months later, had my first child at 39 and my second at 42. We are married 20 years. God may have marriage in mind for you yet. Pray, pray, pray. May God bless you.
I got married at 36 and had my first child at 36. God’s timeline is not our own. Don’t lose hope! In the meantime, may I suggest just growing closer to him while you “wait” and learning to trust His will for your life is good and beautiful and perfect.
Fantastic conversation. Deep and thought provoking and edifying actually. Regarding the elderly man and woman scenario. If the complimentary life vocation to marriage is religious life, the gentle elderly man is like the young monk who retreats in the wilderness to conquer his passions and unpack the meaning of being a follower of Christ. He emerges in his latter years full of wisdom. His manner is indiciative that he has conquered his passions.
The problem I see a lot with this argument is you argue against feminism ok good but then when an alternative is proposed it’s usually a patriarchy that feminism has defined and created. If you’re saying feminism is wrong which but then about a whole construct that feminism created you’re lost. Men lording over women isn’t the answer either. Neither is women not having the same rights as men. Some rights that feminism holds aren’t rights like abortion.
The fact that Josiah assumes that Andrew Tate fans are not weak and self hating is a real mistake. They are probably weakest and most self hating of men.
Mark 10:43 Whoever wants to be great among you must be your servant. The devil tricks women to seek power over others and reject obedience, because in his envy, he is trying to stop them from becoming as great as they can be
As a Christian of the "Baby Boom" generation, please don't lump us all together, that's a mistake. Most of BB Generation were not radicals who opted for "free love" and general rebellion. Most were "Normies" who were trying not to be considered "too uncool" but weren't actually on board with everything Hippies embraced. Some of us were basic Normies who 'loosened up a little' because of the zeitgeist, and honestly, you just really had to be there to feel how compellingly idealistic and "new" it all felt. Anyway, most of us have looked back and said, "this part of it was Good, this part was just Evil." Yes, there are some hardcore's among us still, and yes, they tend to be more vocal perhaps, but -- for the sake of the truth, don't over-classify. I learned by my 30's, for instance, just from experience alone that Feminism was actually a bum steer for the Women it was supposed to be helping. And that it was a type of religion people just supposed you were a member of, because "of course!" you would be, but - I independently knew it was a lie, and that was before my conversion to Christ. Many of us, if we didn't already know it, learned that through sheer life experience. A little respect would be nice. I also hate the term, "Boomers," but I know the short-hand won't go away just because I don't. & Thanks for the space to opine ....😊
I think you have a great point. I was born at the tail end of the baby boom and my mom towards the beginning. Of course, didn’t the Baby boom generation get its name because there were so many of us? I am one of five kids from a Catholic home. I grew up in the seventies and the hard core militant feminists were kind of scary and not women that my sisters, friends and I wanted to emulate. It seems to me that their platform was embraced by the pro-abortion crowd; and as acceptance of abortion grew; so did the feminist platform. (I love to see Prolife feminists and secular Prolifers, but that’s really not my demographic.)
@mbfelty Yes, the term Baby Boom was due exactly to the high population of children born after the end of WWII, 1946-1962, with some variation +/- about it ending in early-to-mid-'60's. My mom, who was born in 1925, had said she loved the post-war decade the most, and many women also seemingly did, when the men came home, settled down into married life, and raised children. Sadly, many men came back with the wounds of war... How nice that you grew up in a Catholic home. I hope I can be excused for a bit of jealousy! I grew up in a non-denominational offshoot of Presbyterianism and am just finding a Catholicism I never knew existed, through the work of Dr. Brant Pitre. It's been a continuously thrilling journey! But yes, there was a very radical side to the 1960's-1970's that most young people of that generation did NOT just fully embrace. However, the seeds planted there seem to have sprung up to where many of those ideas became mainstream by the 1990's.
I started off early adulthood being pro choice (I’m 55) bc I didn’t fully understand the part where that’s someone else’s body and not mine,Believing the propaganda . So I voted for Bill Clinton twice and Michael Dukakis b4 him (‘88) and my second child was born in 1997 and I just decided even though my whole family (Chicagoans) always voted for democrats, I’m going to no longer be able to vote for the party that finds the killing of an unborn child perfectly fine and legal to do. I’m a strong woman who said no to marriage to cheater’s and have never been married, so I was lured in and thought to myself as a young woman (late 80’s/early 90’s) “No ones gonna tell me what to do with my body!” Until pregnancy and motherhood happened to me twice and realized how deeply flawed that way of thinking was!!!
I think that the craziest part of this whole feminist movement is that ever since Adam and Eve, men and women knew what it meant to marry and raise a family. Each had a role to play. Men were the sole providers and women kept the home and nurtured the children, which was the perfect balance for a healthy family! God knew what He was doing when He created men and women and they became one! Ever since the "womens lib" movement in the 1970's when we thought that we were smarter then God has everthing gone to hell in a hand basket! Now we need people like Dr. Carrie Gress to sit us down and explain to us the basic facts of man, women, and child! The most important of these facts are that it is wrong to kill your babies! It's even sadder that we need an explanation for this evil sin that the devil has convinced us that this is a human right! Thank God for Dr. Carrie Gress and those like her, for their patience and their love of God to help us "right the ship" that has gone off course! May God have mercy and bless us all! 🙏
How can Carrie Gress advocate for the stay-hom mother when she has a PhD, written several books, and is doing a lot of traveling, with a husband and 5 children at home? Is it a material contradiction?
Don't know about Carrie but for Helen Andelin who wrote 1970s Fascinating Womanhood, her daughter Dixie explained that Helen felt troubled by not being able to stay at home but believed her work was helping hundreds of thousands (now millions) of women become more feminine and her husband supported that and eventually wrote his own Man of Steel and Velvet for men, so they found a way to make it work and raise the kids as best as they could
She *is* a stay-at-home mother; she travels less than you might think. I actually know her and I can attest that it is a fine work-life balance and she absolutely prioritizes family; a lot of her writing and work happens in her "off time."
The only thing I can disagree with here is that she says nothing positive has been said about motherhood in 50 years. There has been one thing that was said good about motherhood and that’s single motherhood. Single mothers are praised and held up as a paragon in the United States. The denigration of the father is the centerpoint of feminism, and this is a huge reason why our society is in the state that it’s in today.
Matt, to answer your question about Pn as a young man, I can safely say that at least for me it absolutely was about the feeling and the pleasure. Many young men may have started out of trauma or something, but for me it started out as curiosity with my body because I was a selfish bastrd , but immediately became addiction because it sated a lack of intimacy which I myself bore from my inability to love other people. The simple truth is that I was (and still am) a genuinely evil person, and I became lonely from selfishness, so used Pn to abuse the way God designed my body to provide feelings of happiness and intimacy as a substitute. I also just loved the pleasure itself, although after about 5 years it became more of a chore. Edit: I am a returned Catholic now, and I am one hundred percent convinced my infant baptism and three years of regular communion before adolescence saved me. So, for anyone reading this don’t think that you can’t bounce back from it. After 8 years I became so numb that my body could only be aroused by homosexual Pn so if God can fix that he can fix anyone.
I went on Theology of the Home and unfortunately it will appeal to only a certain segment of women. I like to remember that Our Lady went through very unstable times and that she most likely was poor and lived simply. The products on the website are expensive for most people.
It will always be more expensive to purchase artisanal and fair trade goods compared to mass produced items. Buy what fits your budget and be inspired by but not covetous of things you can’t afford.
Matt, women who share on social media and make videos are shining a light and educating. Because the audience's mothers never taught them. You have critized this sort of content many times but never mention or explore the "why". I made content for years and have a sizable following on TikTok and it didn't take time from my children or husband or home. And I still get comments and messages a year after stopping regular content thanking me for showing how to bake bread or clean a bathroom, etc.
I would recommend the Fascinating Womanhood playlist by Beautiful Homemaking for anyone who wants to learn biblical femininity! Its based on the 1920s edition of Fascinating Womanhood and its changing my life 😊
Carrie Gress is a gift. I read her work and was stunned at the diabolical intent of feminism. We live in such strange times. The lies are told over and over. They are defended to the point where if you challenge the narrative, be prepared for the viscous assault. Keep going Carrie , we need your work and your personal example.
I wouldn’t say the first wave feminist are good and I will say they had alterer motives but they did advocate for good things. I’d argue they were doing that to gain a footing to push their other stuff
I think part of the problem with teaching modesty, is that some of us grew up with the purity culture that went way too far. I was taught that men wanted sex and women didn't, and I was so confused because I really wanted it. Anyway, I was always very modest, but I had a large chest and I was embarrassed numerous times by people who told me I was being immodest when I wasn't. Anyway. I don't know how to teach my daughter what the line is especially in regards to shoulders and chest etc.. I do my best, but I wish it were more obvious. I don't want to make my daughters feel bad about their bodies in my pursuit of teaching modesty.
Very Good interview, Carrie is definitely right. I remember Peter Hitchens mentioning some of the things she has mentioned regarding first wave feminism.
I think an important point is that not all women have to and will marry, and the civilized society should be able to accommodate that. For example, to make it safe and doable for a woman to live on her own - that's what we do have in our modern Western society, but that was not the case in the past. That means there has to be safety enough for woman to go/travel alone (when you think about, there's still places in the world where a woman shouldn't be walking alone outside of her house), and the access to work to make a living. In the modern West we are blessed to have these rights. In the past women had to either marry, or join a convent, or find other groups to live with. While for a man it was also difficult and far from ideal to live alone, it was, at least, feasible. Now, the subject of *religious life/entering the comvent.* Before the first female convents appeared around 4th C. there were consecrated virgins living in the world - women who decided not to marry but devote themselves to the Lord completely. But with the passage of times, they would naturally group together, similarly like hermits in the desert, forming small communities. So that's how convent life was established. However, soon it was thought that women can't live alone in the world at all, and the insitution of consecrated virgins living in the world disappeared completely until the mid-20th C.! Women were allowed this consecration only if they were already in the convent. Which is a different form of life that living in the world. Women were not trusted and not considered capable enough and always needing a male supervision. Whereas the insitution of the diocesan priest was very much blooming (that is, the priest who doesn't have to join the religious order to be ordained). That is the example of injust and unequal treatment of women. By unequal I mean in reference to their dignity. While of course, Christianity was much pioneering the better treatment of women, in comparison to women status in the antiquity, but they weren't immediately perfect, there was still a long way to go. So let's not pretend that the old times had it all figured out; rather, it's a work in progress. Even today, women's religious life is treated differently than men's. Women are much more paternalized and infantilized under the guise of 'obedience', whereas men's orders took to heart the notion of 'obedience in dialogue.' So, there's still a lot of room to improve understandinf of *equal dignity* of women, and the fact that they are adult persons who are capable and responsible, also spiritually.
I can personally say that feminism has lead to a degradation of the homemaker and stay with your own baby Mom. Amen will only step up if a woman takes her role as homemaker and mom seriously. Even then, many husbands want their wife to make money and place no value on home. That's been my personal experience
Are we supposed to go back to not being able to vote or open a back account? Not allowed to study at universities? Not having domestic violence shelters? True, third and fourth wave are not the answers….but a lot of good things came from the first two waves.
Carrie kills me because she has a PhD. Like... you *do* know that this would've been unfashionable for a woman just a generation ago. She doesn't know how good she has it. Luckily she has a caring husband
@@saoirseryan4141 Makes me believe it's a grift. There's no way she's this ignorant (unless she's a blind ideologue, which I suppose is entirely possible and preventer her from seeing the contradiction).
I'd be okay with both. I'd also be okay with relinquishing my advanced degree if it means we can abandon all the crud that came out of first and second wave feminism. I also don't think suffrage is as great a gift to our society as many seem to think it is. Dr. Gress has done able work on those topics in the past. I don't think Dr. Gress is grifting. She, like many of us, was sold a vision of reality that reduced women to mere function, and the more usefulness women manifested in society, the better. I've watched her publicly evolve on this topic for a number of years now - unpacking thought error and reworking one's own life to live in conformity to reality as God intended is the work of a lifetime. Grace is a beautiful gift that allows us to receive the truth fully and enthusiastically, and I am grateful for whatever grace I have received to do so in my own life.
Strong independent woman: throws out husband so needs parents to help care for kids while she works or doesn’t and then relies on patriarchal welfare system. 🤔
I find this interesting and I agree with a lot of the points. However, I am a historian and history teacher and I am curious as to what primary sources were used for the discussion about women who fought for the right to vote in the book. I am a conservative Catholic and I have traditional values. I am against abortion and the shame against men/the patriarchy, etc. But, I am so grateful for my right to vote. That is a right I will never take for granted. I disagree with communism and the other values that the women had during that period of history, but as a US citizen, I am grateful for the rights I have. So, in my opinion, I think there is some nuance to this. I am proud to be a woman and I want to be married and have children and be loving wife to my husband. But, the right to vote, have a bank account, and hold a job is all thanks to old school feminism. Not to mention, in Afghanistan, there are several laws AGAINST women. If I lived in Afghanistan, I would have to cover myself head to toe and I could not speak or read in public. I can't even get an education past 6th grade. So, I am grateful for the basic rights I have here. Beyond that, I don't support feminism. Haha! Anyways, just sharing my opinion. No ill intentions here, just wanted to contribute to the discussion! God bless y'all! ❤❤
I absolutely love what you do, and wholeheartedly agree on your opinions of the manosphere, but please for everyone's sake, stop using Andrew Tate as the mythical redpill boogeyman character. Is he bad? Absolutely without question. But he has not been relevant in public conversation for literally over a year. I highly encourage everyone to critique people that are CURRENTLY putting out vile, hateful manosphere content on a regular basis. There are many to choose from. IMHO, the more people use Andrew Tate as the "cultural fall-guy," the more it de legitimizes critiques against manosphere content. God Bless Matt, love your stuff.
1:31:40 Every time I’ve tried to give women advice or encouragement on RUclips in regards to motherhood, my comment gets deleted. There is such a systemic push to stop women from embracing their maternal side.
I couldnt watch this the whole way through as i understand there are many strands to feminism and the lady been interviewed here has dived into some very dark fringe stuff connected to the movement and read everything of from that. Feminism is an ideology amongst many others, including the so called enlightenment, which Mary Wolfencraft bounced of. One good thing that came out of feminism was fair wages for women. My aunts told me that when they worked in the same jobs as men they got paid less and that was happening as recent as the early 90s. Another thing, there is much idealistic fantasising around this topic in many of the Catholic talk shows. The permanently happy warrior husband coming home to his wife and getting every need met while the children are tucked away in bed and she looks so well dressed and beautiful. If yous care to look at the wages of lower paid jobs, they cannot sustain a family. Both husband and wife have to engage in paid employment. Now these poorer women in my experience here in the UK never call themselves feminists. Maybe because its the pastime of the chattering middle classes to keep trying to recreate reality. And another point, why are women only spoken of in terms of the work of motherhood. That would only take up less than 20 years of her life. Of course motherhood is the best thing a woman can be but she does not become defunct when the children have left the home.
Motherhood is life long. The work of being a mother never stops - especially once grandchildren come. And we use our maternal care in the community after our children are less needy - older women used to be the backbone of charities and social safety nets. Motherhood is the default setting of every woman, even if she never has biological children. We are created to nurture and should never stop doing it. PS - those "fair wages" are what created the two income trap that families are stuck in. Men's wages stagnated and inflation took off to the moon once we had duel income households
@Mrs_Homemaker women were working outside the home when years later the demand for fair wages came about. It really helped many women who would have ended up in prostitution.
I wish Matt would invite Claire Swinarski - she clearly has a strong opposition to Carrie because she is THE "Catholic Feminist". I personally don't understand her opposition aside from the fact that she is unwilling to rebrand lol, but I'd like to understand her opposition.
I wonder if we've ever had a First Lady in this country who has been an example of a "good woman," or someone we could hold up to girls as an example. The famous first ladies have been completely the opposite and especially the modern ones all led completely miserable lives.
Rosalyn Carter was quietly pro-abortion, and Nancy Reagan was not a good example. First, her Hollywood life was not particularly virtuous. Later in life as first lady, she was pro-abortion, consulted astrologists about her husband's presidency, and she was most certainly a feminist.
Matt really has a habit of interrupting and immediately talking over the guest as soon as a thought came to his mind. Can make it hard to listen sometimes.
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Matt, thank you for your talk at Wollongong (29/1/25), and for you clear and courageous treatment of those unhappy with the Church's teaching on homosexuality. Pax
Matt, could you please consider having Rachel Wilson on for this topic. She wrote an in-depth book on feminism called "Occult Feminism". She seems extremely well researched on feminism.
LETSSS GOOO!! She has transformed my whole perspective on the reality of femininity and the attack going on against women!! Her books are amazing!!
Amen! Her first talk on Pints blew my mind. It was the answer to so many of my questions and helped me make sense of what I was intuiting.
I saw her first interview on this channel 1 year ago and she inspired me to go down the rabbit hole of Mary & her supreme example of femeninity and it was through this woman Dr. Carrie that I realized feminism is truly anti woman. And me exploring Mary, well let’s just say 1 year later I’m fully reverted back to Catholicism and it’s the best thing ever ❤ I’m grateful to God for faithful Catholics who obey His will and share their knowledge with others!!!
God bless! Welcome home
“We’ve put so much energy into politics and almost none into culture” 🙌🙌🙌
Hey Matt, go ahead and have Carrie on as much as possible. She’s fantastic.
As a child, there is nothing more divine than a loving mother who is a good homemaker. The duties of a wife and mother are irreplaceable. God Bless all the homemakers out there!
I totally agree with you!
From the 1970's on, it was offensive to be called a housewife!
Women began having their careers and putting their children into daycare.
Marriages and children began to suffer!
Now, Women are choosing to stay home again.
Sadly, it's only the middle class that can afford it.
The cost of daycare can sometimes be more expensive then the women earns in a week!
Families can downsize!
You can't put a price on the health and welfare of your family and you can't get a do over!
The sacrifices are worth it! 😊
I truly appreciate this conversation. I loved the last interview and going deeper into this topic is so helpful to me as a thirty year old woman who was told to wait for marriage and get as educated as possible when I was a child. All I wanted was marriage and family and to have a small farm, and that was totally shut down. And I did get my MS degree and worked super hard and yet now here I am ...married with kids and starting my small farm. I'm so much more happy. When I was pushing myself to get a job that would impress extended family I just felt oppressed and exhausted and depressed, and I also gave up so many hobbies during that period of my life because I was too overwhelmed with the work I was pursuing. I'm so glad that God led me to the Church and helped me to embrace my vocation. The women in my graduate school cohort said they hated kids and were super pro abortion/anti marriage and anti religion. They swore constantly and had crippling anxiety...it was so gross to hear them demean mothers. I said in response that I loved children and was excited to have my own one day. Then a lady in the group agreed with me. I'm so glad I spoke up. She no longer felt alone and I encouraged her. Encourage the women around you. More of them hate these lies than you'd think! Even my generation that's constantly thrown under the bus, most of us are throwing off the shackles of feminism because we see it's evil now too. Though there is a sharp divide: super duper feminist and super crunchy moms making their own sour dough and raising chickens!
Super crunchy moms, love it! Such a pure way to express exuberant imperfection.
We love our families in the chaos. It doesn't look like a magazine. It isn't peaceful but that isn't the point right now.
There are times and seasons in life.
Toddlers are pretty crunchy 😂
@@alwaysathomeabsolutely! It's not Pinterest beautiful, it's so much more beautiful because love is there!
As a father of 3 I'll take the crunchy mom's any day of the week... God Bless the intelligent women and men of the new generation that see through the evils straight to the Truth of Christ and family.
Im a baptist but I have really been enjoying your channel! My wife and I are starting Dr.Gress's book this weekend!
I met Carrie at a women's conference in Denver last fall. I was super skeptical when I heard she was a speaker but she completely changed my perspective. I immediately bought a signed copy of her book. The work she is doing is so important and her love for women and desire to help them find freedom is incredible.
I love when Matt talks about his wife. His devotion , affection, and love for her shines bright when he speaks about her. It's so nice to see.
I wasn't expecting to see Josiah come out with the "I am Kenough" sweater. 🤣
What does it mean?
@stephencotter538 it's from the Barbie movie. Lol. Ken says it when he realizes he is more than just Barbie's accessory, but is a man!
@alissarehmert2502 lol great shirt to wear while discussing the problems/dangers of feminism 😂
The absolute irony
Allah said Josiah will owe me $666 if he's a spoiled boy from a rich Catholic family.
I just want to say how powerful it was when you said Matt, for fathers not to withdraw affection from their children (especially daughters) when they are older/adolescents! I realized a while back how terribly damaging that was for me with my own father. He is such a good man, but did not know how to interact with us as we are becoming young women. It left me terribly wounded and love/affection hungry! It's only by the grace of God that I didn't fall into terrible relationships with men. It could have easily happened.
1:25:32 About the matriarch, properly understood, is in my view, all those older women, sharing advice, on different matters on household affairs, such as children, cooking, family, even marriage to the younger generation. I saw that in my mother, my aunts, grandmothers. They were together making dinner in the kitchen, and looking back, while us children were playing around, there were so much wisdom, and now, with feminism, is difficult to find much advice other than "get a divorce!" Every single time. Thank you for this talk... My reading list is getting longer and longer every time!
Agreed. There is a good sense of the matriarchy, in my view.
It’s amazing how many women go straight to the idea of getting a divorce. Just in general. I see it on Reddit all the time. Any woman having a problem with her husband or boyfriend…almost every response is leave him. Like dang…nobody learns problem solving anymore.
@@MaolsheachlannÓCeallaigh If I'm recalling correctly, St Paul encourages young women to look to the older moms the widows. Their elders. As a source of spiritual and practical wisdom
Yes! I miss the days sitting around my Nana’s kitchen table after the dishes were done, listening to my Nana, Mom, aunts and older female cousins; talking, bonding and sharing wisdom.
I love hearing about spiritual motherhood. I'm 27 and the only single one of my sisters, most of whom have multiple children. I love taking care of them and cooking big meals for the family. Just being in that role of caregiver is so fulfilling.
I tell my son and daughter, when the conversation comes up, that I would love to have a lot of grand children runny around at my funeral, sick I know, but I tell my son be a strong man be able to lead your household and support your wife, I tell my daughter prioritize your children share them with your husband trust him.
I love Carrie’s work!! Thank you for bring her on the show again 🙏🏼!
Thank you for having Carrie on! I have The End of Woman and The Anti-Mary. Her voice is so needed.
Absolutely fantastic! I'm halfway through and hooked. Thanks Carrie for all your research and interviewing here. Thanks, Matt for having her! Great discussion.
Porn Sites have millions of videos where the "situation" is openly incestuous, pedophilic, or horrifyingly taboo. How it is still legal in the year 2025, is crazy to me.
Honestly the kinds of movies/shows out there with gross sex stuff like porn is telling
Why does a rabbi own pornhub?
Because it's a business!
Love Carrie and her work. A group of us at our Parish are forming a study based on her two books on feminism. Based on this interview, it is now clear we will start with the second book first, as it delves deep into the first wave, and then go back to explore the richness of the original, more Mary themed book. Bravo Carrie!
Dr. Gress sharing her experience with a helpful grandmother at 1:23:00 was so beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing that for all of us who have been impacted by feminism. Thank you for having her on the show. God bless you all. 🙏🏻
This is not a contradiction of what was said about Christian mothers, but I am a chaplain and in the neonatal intensive care unit I have seen often poor women, some with tattoos, amazingly dedicated mothers, often (unusually compared to most in the unit) with 4 or more children. I think maybe those who haven't been so educated, who haven't lived middle class / professional lives might be the ones who have sidestepped feminism more than those of us who listen to podcasts like these.
Yes your right. I live in the UK and I set up and managed community projects. I have never heard any women using those services call themselves a feminist. Also in poorer families both men and women have to work, one man's wage cannot keep a family. I think there is a lot of idealistic nonsense been spouted on catholic channels about women as homemakers and the permanently happy man getting all his needs met when he returns home after a day out and about playing the warrior. Women of poorer classes always had to earn a living, long before feminism or socialism.
With all the machines in the house to do all the heavy housework, where would such women be when the children have left home. We know that the devil makes work for idle hands.
@outoforbit00 I'm in the UK too. I found it interesting hearing about medieval times (not here, just remembered) and how women and men both worked, with different responsibilities around their (often subsistence) farms. Of course pre contraception all families would have been bigger and lots of work associated with the children too. I heard one historian say that the biggest difference we would notice between them and now was that fertile aged women would be either breast feeding or pregnant. I'm 56 now and most of my peers have had one or two children. It is a big reduction in family size over three generations I have observed and on reflection I do think there has been a loss and some of the points made here about feminism do resonate.
@auk7447 yes I agree, in fact I have lost a friend because I am quite vocal against feminism. Btw I'm Irish and grew up on a rural farm without machinery. I worked on the farm and in the bog from the age of five. Five children in our family and the neighbours had between 6 and 8. One family had 18 children and the mother RIP died young at the age of 52, she was exhausted by all accounts. Anyway many children in the middle ages didn't survive and many died during childbirth as did the mother. So we should revive the rythm method of contraception.
@@outoforbit00 ah thanks for sharing. I'm off to visit relatives in Galway on Thursday (Irish mother). We were mainly townsfolk. I'm hoping to go to the 'Christ and culture' event on 15th - looks very interesting. Good on you re the feminism critique. I remember seeing people working the bogs. Not so many now I think.
I love that you said previously that you weren’t thrilled with the numbers on her previous podcast but you’re still having her on again! Yay for goodness over profit.
Might be one of my favorite eps! This is such a good conversation, and it really helped me to understand how the feminist ideology has affected the way that I think about myself. Perhaps I don't want to be powerful, but I want to be filled with a quiet grace and humility. Beautiful.
More than anything I'd love to talk to you Dr. Carrie Guess and study more about this! Dr. Gress you are an inspiration and I truly believe in the work you are doing, as a catholic woman I despise feminism and pity those who follow it blindly. God bless
I think the reason beautiful matriarchs are so few and far between us that our mothers and grandmothers have been so bought into the feminist movement that they have grown to be resentful of their motherhood. They couldn't wait to be finished with their child rearing. They throw themselves into the complete self-indulgence of the "retirement lifestyle." They resent being asked to baby sit. They've "done their time." It's very sad! I personally can not wait to be a grandma!
Oh sweetie how I WISH I lived in the same town as one of my adult kids so I could babysit regularly! As it is I spend my summers cramming in as much grandkid time as I can!! We have 12 grandchildren, ranging in age from 18 to 10 months. I LOVE it!
Yes, this is so true.
My mother told me when I was in my teens not to expect her to watch my children. She also was openly resentful of men and constantly said negative things about them. Meanwhile, my father was a saint who sacrificed and worked to keep her home and send us to catholic school. It really damaged my relationships with men.
By far my favorite guest of yours!
James’ wife here. I loved hearing Carrie talk about her experiences in deep solitary motherhood. I’ve felt this way too and hearing Carrie helped remind me that I am/was not alone in those feelings.
I don’t like that we are painting the picture that all women who stay home and have babies are happy! It’s not about happiness it’s about what is right. I know many women who choose not to stay at home precisely because they see the strife of us stay-at-homes moms. It’s like when people say NFP is easy. No it’s REALLY hard!! But IT IS GOOD!!!!
I heard a talk by Carrie back in 2020. I've been hooked on her work since then!
Love this woman! The things she’s doing for the culture with her books and conversations is truly amazing!
Thank you for this wonderful conversation. I find such purpose and fulfilment in making home - it's so good to know content like Dr Gress' is being created.
so excited she's coming back on!!
This is a great conversation! I just wish I had learned all of this earlier in life 💔
As a man, I’ve loved these conversations with Carrie. I have only sisters, both of my parents have only sisters, and out of 10+ cousins, all but two are women. Being more knowledgeable on feminism in a Catholic context will help me talk about faith with them. Please pray for my Aunt, who was my confirmation sponsor, and last year got into a huge argument with me about abortion. Please also pray for my darling Mother; who called me “brainwashed” on Christmas Eve for opposing abortion in all cases. She also purports to be Catholic.
I have been so excited for this episode!!!
Amazing topic. Great talk. Looking forward to read Carrie’s books. Glory to God for your work Matt and Carrie. Pray for us.
Matt, thanks for the show. What do you think about moderating a conversion between Carrie Gress, Stephanie Gordon, Abigail Favale, etc. on the subject of feminism? Within the Church there seems to be much confusion about Church teaching concerning the roles of husband and wife, which was not a controversial matter before the rise of feminism. I think that open conversations on podcasts like yours will be helpful in seeing the truth more clearly and separating the wheat from the chaff. Thank you for pursuing the truth in a way that is honest and humble.
Erika Bachiochi too!
Carrie Gress is brilliant. Loved every minute!
Question about the sub-conversation about marriage at the end: what happens if a woman inadvertently marries a man who is an alcoholic or has a similar problem? Sometimes women are forced into sole leadership in the family because the man actually is unreliable.
Maybe if our government would quit shoveling money overseas and to illegals we could easily support these exceptions. Instead we made a system to make eternal welfare the norm and eternal wars the norm. Why? Leftist utopianism.
I mean, how funny was it when Josiah comes out wearing the i am Kenenough sweatshirt while discussing why young men are becoming more conservative. 😂
Just proves conservatism is a value set and core beliefs not externals like plaid shirts, beards, and tobacco
Hallmark movie script? That's actually also Jane Eyre😂
Loving this conversation!
Love Carrie, she is the best! she’s a “bloody monster!”
If anyone wants an interesting read: Chesterton's Whats Wrong with the world has a large section on feminism that was my catalyst for realizing the rot of feminism highly recommend. 👍
St. John Paul the Great also wrote Letter to Women. This was a very beautiful and healing document I read in my early 20s that really opened up the role of women/myself in society.
“In this work they exhibit a kind of affective, cultural and spiritual motherhood which has inestimable value for the development of individuals and the future of society.” (LtW 9)
Holy smokes "scraping the plaque off the teeth of strangers" that really stung. I would love to be married and have children and stay home with them and make a home, But, at 35, it would seem that God doesn't have that plan for me. So I am studying dental hygiene hahaha I have to be independent now, because who else will take care of me when I'm old? And, if I am going to be childless I want to make enough money to give to my siblings' kids.
@@Filiadeo did you get to the part where they talked about spiritual motherhood, education, and mentorship?
I met my husband at 37, married him 7 months later, had my first child at 39 and my second at 42. We are married 20 years. God may have marriage in mind for you yet. Pray, pray, pray. May God bless you.
I got married at 36 and had my first child at 36. God’s timeline is not our own. Don’t lose hope! In the meantime, may I suggest just growing closer to him while you “wait” and learning to trust His will for your life is good and beautiful and perfect.
Fantastic interview!
Fantastic conversation. Deep and thought provoking and edifying actually.
Regarding the elderly man and woman scenario. If the complimentary life vocation to marriage is religious life, the gentle elderly man is like the young monk who retreats in the wilderness to conquer his passions and unpack the meaning of being a follower of Christ. He emerges in his latter years full of wisdom. His manner is indiciative that he has conquered his passions.
The problem I see a lot with this argument is you argue against feminism ok good but then when an alternative is proposed it’s usually a patriarchy that feminism has defined and created. If you’re saying feminism is wrong which but then about a whole construct that feminism created you’re lost.
Men lording over women isn’t the answer either. Neither is women not having the same rights as men. Some rights that feminism holds aren’t rights like abortion.
Matt, amazing impression of the woman in the “What is a Woman” movie. 😅 20:16
I listened to her on Alex Clark’s podcast and I changed my life because of her work
Need to bring Timothy Gordon back on. He was saying this stuff years ago, even on your show! Was truly ahead of his time.
Sometimes this is much easier to hear from women. Tim Gordon has a tendency of coming off the wrong way you might say.
However, if he would allow his wife to go on the show, it would probably be really interesting!
@@victoriaeinbinder9487 yep another sign of feminist woman, not being able to be told something by a man without freaking out.
Unless it's her boss at work, then it's fine
@@victoriaeinbinder9487 they’re both heretical nutcases
29:57 Wow! I never saw it that way. How men and women are blaming/hating each other instead of looking for our common goals.
Literally 🤯
Praised be Jesus Christ!
The fact that Josiah assumes that Andrew Tate fans are not weak and self hating is a real mistake. They are probably weakest and most self hating of men.
Anyone else notice the Barbie sweater Josiah was wearing? 😂 During a chat on feminism...
As per usual, Tuesday for the win!
Free love is attack on the body --> our Lord and the church, which is our model for marriage: the occult is attack on Holy Ghost
Tip of the hat to you Matt for making the distinction between a Christian and a Mormon. They are indeed 2 different things
The Mormons disagree
We need to stop being treated as men 🙄 😤 😒
Do you make a good sandwich? 😅 sorry.
Mark 10:43 Whoever wants to be great among you must be your servant.
The devil tricks women to seek power over others and reject obedience, because in his envy, he is trying to stop them from becoming as great as they can be
As a Christian of the "Baby Boom" generation, please don't lump us all together, that's a mistake. Most of BB Generation were not radicals who opted for "free love" and general rebellion. Most were "Normies" who were trying not to be considered "too uncool" but weren't actually on board with everything Hippies embraced. Some of us were basic Normies who 'loosened up a little' because of the zeitgeist, and honestly, you just really had to be there to feel how compellingly idealistic and "new" it all felt. Anyway, most of us have looked back and said, "this part of it was Good, this part was just Evil." Yes, there are some hardcore's among us still, and yes, they tend to be more vocal perhaps, but -- for the sake of the truth, don't over-classify. I learned by my 30's, for instance, just from experience alone that Feminism was actually a bum steer for the Women it was supposed to be helping. And that it was a type of religion people just supposed you were a member of, because "of course!" you would be, but - I independently knew it was a lie, and that was before my conversion to Christ. Many of us, if we didn't already know it, learned that through sheer life experience. A little respect would be nice. I also hate the term, "Boomers," but I know the short-hand won't go away just because I don't. & Thanks for the space to opine ....😊
I think you have a great point. I was born at the tail end of the baby boom and my mom towards the beginning. Of course, didn’t the Baby boom generation get its name because there were so many of us? I am one of five kids from a Catholic home. I grew up in the seventies and the hard core militant feminists were kind of scary and not women that my sisters, friends and I wanted to emulate. It seems to me that their platform was embraced by the pro-abortion crowd; and as acceptance of abortion grew; so did the feminist platform. (I love to see Prolife feminists and secular Prolifers, but that’s really not my demographic.)
@mbfelty Yes, the term Baby Boom was due exactly to the high population of children born after the end of WWII, 1946-1962, with some variation +/- about it ending in early-to-mid-'60's. My mom, who was born in 1925, had said she loved the post-war decade the most, and many women also seemingly did, when the men came home, settled down into married life, and raised children. Sadly, many men came back with the wounds of war...
How nice that you grew up in a Catholic home. I hope I can be excused for a bit of jealousy! I grew up in a non-denominational offshoot of Presbyterianism and am just finding a Catholicism I never knew existed, through the work of Dr. Brant Pitre. It's been a continuously thrilling journey! But yes, there was a very radical side to the 1960's-1970's that most young people of that generation did NOT just fully embrace. However, the seeds planted there seem to have sprung up to where many of those ideas became mainstream by the 1990's.
I started off early adulthood being pro choice (I’m 55) bc I didn’t fully understand the part where that’s someone else’s body and not mine,Believing the propaganda . So I voted for Bill Clinton twice and Michael Dukakis b4 him (‘88) and my second child was born in 1997 and I just decided even though my whole family (Chicagoans) always voted for democrats, I’m going to no longer be able to vote for the party that finds the killing of an unborn child perfectly fine and legal to do.
I’m a strong woman who said no to marriage to cheater’s and have never been married, so I was lured in and thought to myself as a young woman (late 80’s/early 90’s) “No ones gonna tell me what to do with my body!” Until pregnancy and motherhood happened to me twice and realized how deeply flawed that way of thinking was!!!
Y’all need to check out Rachel Wilson’s work too. Goes into a lot of this. Great pod. Thank you.
I think that the craziest part of this whole feminist movement is that ever since Adam and Eve, men and women knew what it meant to marry and raise a family.
Each had a role to play.
Men were the sole providers and women kept the home and nurtured the children, which was the perfect balance for a healthy family!
God knew what He was doing when He created men and women and they became one!
Ever since the "womens lib" movement in the 1970's when we thought that we were smarter then God has everthing gone to hell in a hand basket!
Now we need people like Dr. Carrie Gress to sit us down and explain to us the basic facts of man, women, and child!
The most important of these facts are that it is wrong to kill your babies!
It's even sadder that we need an explanation for this evil sin that the devil has convinced us that this is a human right!
Thank God for Dr. Carrie Gress and those like her, for their patience and their love of God to help us "right the ship" that has gone off course!
May God have mercy and bless us all! 🙏
How can Carrie Gress advocate for the stay-hom mother when she has a PhD, written several books, and is doing a lot of traveling, with a husband and 5 children at home? Is it a material contradiction?
Don't know about Carrie but for Helen Andelin who wrote 1970s Fascinating Womanhood, her daughter Dixie explained that Helen felt troubled by not being able to stay at home but believed her work was helping hundreds of thousands (now millions) of women become more feminine and her husband supported that and eventually wrote his own Man of Steel and Velvet for men, so they found a way to make it work and raise the kids as best as they could
She *is* a stay-at-home mother; she travels less than you might think. I actually know her and I can attest that it is a fine work-life balance and she absolutely prioritizes family; a lot of her writing and work happens in her "off time."
@@aliehassan2670 oh yes I forgot to mention that, Helen also woke up early a lot to write her book
The only thing I can disagree with here is that she says nothing positive has been said about motherhood in 50 years. There has been one thing that was said good about motherhood and that’s single motherhood. Single mothers are praised and held up as a paragon in the United States. The denigration of the father is the centerpoint of feminism, and this is a huge reason why our society is in the state that it’s in today.
Religious sisters were some of the first women to get advanced degrees and become CEOs of hospitals and found schools!
Matt, to answer your question about Pn as a young man, I can safely say that at least for me it absolutely was about the feeling and the pleasure.
Many young men may have started out of trauma or something, but for me it started out as curiosity with my body because I was a selfish bastrd , but immediately became addiction because it sated a lack of intimacy which I myself bore from my inability to love other people.
The simple truth is that I was (and still am) a genuinely evil person, and I became lonely from selfishness, so used Pn to abuse the way God designed my body to provide feelings of happiness and intimacy as a substitute. I also just loved the pleasure itself, although after about 5 years it became more of a chore.
Edit: I am a returned Catholic now, and I am one hundred percent convinced my infant baptism and three years of regular communion before adolescence saved me. So, for anyone reading this don’t think that you can’t bounce back from it. After 8 years I became so numb that my body could only be aroused by homosexual Pn so if God can fix that he can fix anyone.
Carrie needs to be on the podcast more. She is amazing and her book is a gem.
I went on Theology of the Home and unfortunately it will appeal to only a certain segment of women. I like to remember that Our Lady went through very unstable times and that she most likely was poor and lived simply. The products on the website are expensive for most people.
It will always be more expensive to purchase artisanal and fair trade goods compared to mass produced items.
Buy what fits your budget and be inspired by but not covetous of things you can’t afford.
Next book: The Anti-Joseph; the manisphere exposed.
Matt, women who share on social media and make videos are shining a light and educating. Because the audience's mothers never taught them. You have critized this sort of content many times but never mention or explore the "why". I made content for years and have a sizable following on TikTok and it didn't take time from my children or husband or home. And I still get comments and messages a year after stopping regular content thanking me for showing how to bake bread or clean a bathroom, etc.
That's why, if by the grace of God I am ever blessed to have children, they will never see Home Alone.
I would recommend the Fascinating Womanhood playlist by Beautiful Homemaking for anyone who wants to learn biblical femininity! Its based on the 1920s edition of Fascinating Womanhood and its changing my life 😊
Nice sweater, Carrie.
It's in Evangelium Vitae not Veritatis Splendor.
And it says we are to promote a new feminism.
Carrie Gress is a gift.
I read her work and was stunned at the diabolical intent of feminism. We live in such strange times. The lies are told over and over. They are defended to the point where if you challenge the narrative, be prepared for the viscous assault.
Keep going Carrie , we need your work and your personal example.
I wouldn’t say the first wave feminist are good and I will say they had alterer motives but they did advocate for good things. I’d argue they were doing that to gain a footing to push their other stuff
What other staff?
I think part of the problem with teaching modesty, is that some of us grew up with the purity culture that went way too far. I was taught that men wanted sex and women didn't, and I was so confused because I really wanted it. Anyway, I was always very modest, but I had a large chest and I was embarrassed numerous times by people who told me I was being immodest when I wasn't. Anyway. I don't know how to teach my daughter what the line is especially in regards to shoulders and chest etc.. I do my best, but I wish it were more obvious. I don't want to make my daughters feel bad about their bodies in my pursuit of teaching modesty.
Tim Gordon was a pioneer on this topic. You should give him a fair shot and bring him on again.
I really liked the conversation, i just wish Matt would have let her speak more 😅
Very Good interview, Carrie is definitely right. I remember Peter Hitchens mentioning some of the things she has mentioned regarding first wave feminism.
I think an important point is that not all women have to and will marry, and the civilized society should be able to accommodate that.
For example, to make it safe and doable for a woman to live on her own - that's what we do have in our modern Western society, but that was not the case in the past. That means there has to be safety enough for woman to go/travel alone (when you think about, there's still places in the world where a woman shouldn't be walking alone outside of her house), and the access to work to make a living. In the modern West we are blessed to have these rights.
In the past women had to either marry, or join a convent, or find other groups to live with. While for a man it was also difficult and far from ideal to live alone, it was, at least, feasible.
Now, the subject of *religious life/entering the comvent.* Before the first female convents appeared around 4th C. there were consecrated virgins living in the world - women who decided not to marry but devote themselves to the Lord completely. But with the passage of times, they would naturally group together, similarly like hermits in the desert, forming small communities. So that's how convent life was established.
However, soon it was thought that women can't live alone in the world at all, and the insitution of consecrated virgins living in the world disappeared completely until the mid-20th C.! Women were allowed this consecration only if they were already in the convent. Which is a different form of life that living in the world. Women were not trusted and not considered capable enough and always needing a male supervision. Whereas the insitution of the diocesan priest was very much blooming (that is, the priest who doesn't have to join the religious order to be ordained).
That is the example of injust and unequal treatment of women. By unequal I mean in reference to their dignity. While of course, Christianity was much pioneering the better treatment of women, in comparison to women status in the antiquity, but they weren't immediately perfect, there was still a long way to go.
So let's not pretend that the old times had it all figured out; rather, it's a work in progress.
Even today, women's religious life is treated differently than men's. Women are much more paternalized and infantilized under the guise of 'obedience', whereas men's orders took to heart the notion of 'obedience in dialogue.'
So, there's still a lot of room to improve understandinf of *equal dignity* of women, and the fact that they are adult persons who are capable and responsible, also spiritually.
I can personally say that feminism has lead to a degradation of the homemaker and stay with your own baby Mom. Amen will only step up if a woman takes her role as homemaker and mom seriously. Even then, many husbands want their wife to make money and place no value on home. That's been my personal experience
Are we supposed to go back to not being able to vote or open a back account? Not allowed to study at universities? Not having domestic violence shelters? True, third and fourth wave are not the answers….but a lot of good things came from the first two waves.
Good things may have come .. but at what cost ?
Carrie kills me because she has a PhD. Like... you *do* know that this would've been unfashionable for a woman just a generation ago. She doesn't know how good she has it. Luckily she has a caring husband
@@saoirseryan4141 Makes me believe it's a grift. There's no way she's this ignorant (unless she's a blind ideologue, which I suppose is entirely possible and preventer her from seeing the contradiction).
I'd be okay with both. I'd also be okay with relinquishing my advanced degree if it means we can abandon all the crud that came out of first and second wave feminism. I also don't think suffrage is as great a gift to our society as many seem to think it is. Dr. Gress has done able work on those topics in the past.
I don't think Dr. Gress is grifting. She, like many of us, was sold a vision of reality that reduced women to mere function, and the more usefulness women manifested in society, the better. I've watched her publicly evolve on this topic for a number of years now - unpacking thought error and reworking one's own life to live in conformity to reality as God intended is the work of a lifetime. Grace is a beautiful gift that allows us to receive the truth fully and enthusiastically, and I am grateful for whatever grace I have received to do so in my own life.
@@anzot6903Are you serious?! What correlation does suffrage and financial independence have with things such as abortion and the sexual revolution?
2:14:00 You can see the dimmest lights better in the dark. Candles. The beauty of the stars and Milky Way. Etc.
Strong independent woman: throws out husband so needs parents to help care for kids while she works or doesn’t and then relies on patriarchal welfare system. 🤔
I find this interesting and I agree with a lot of the points. However, I am a historian and history teacher and I am curious as to what primary sources were used for the discussion about women who fought for the right to vote in the book. I am a conservative Catholic and I have traditional values. I am against abortion and the shame against men/the patriarchy, etc. But, I am so grateful for my right to vote. That is a right I will never take for granted. I disagree with communism and the other values that the women had during that period of history, but as a US citizen, I am grateful for the rights I have. So, in my opinion, I think there is some nuance to this. I am proud to be a woman and I want to be married and have children and be loving wife to my husband. But, the right to vote, have a bank account, and hold a job is all thanks to old school feminism. Not to mention, in Afghanistan, there are several laws AGAINST women. If I lived in Afghanistan, I would have to cover myself head to toe and I could not speak or read in public. I can't even get an education past 6th grade. So, I am grateful for the basic rights I have here. Beyond that, I don't support feminism. Haha!
Anyways, just sharing my opinion. No ill intentions here, just wanted to contribute to the discussion! God bless y'all! ❤❤
I absolutely love what you do, and wholeheartedly agree on your opinions of the manosphere, but please for everyone's sake, stop using Andrew Tate as the mythical redpill boogeyman character. Is he bad? Absolutely without question. But he has not been relevant in public conversation for literally over a year. I highly encourage everyone to critique people that are CURRENTLY putting out vile, hateful manosphere content on a regular basis. There are many to choose from. IMHO, the more people use Andrew Tate as the "cultural fall-guy," the more it de legitimizes critiques against manosphere content. God Bless Matt, love your stuff.
USA, France, & Germany, about once per decade:
"Need any more heresies or schisms?"
Holy See: "Nope, we're good, thanks."
1:31:40 Every time I’ve tried to give women advice or encouragement on RUclips in regards to motherhood, my comment gets deleted. There is such a systemic push to stop women from embracing their maternal side.
I think also modeling a strong loving and supportive relationship with your wife.
I couldnt watch this the whole way through as i understand there are many strands to feminism and the lady been interviewed here has dived into some very dark fringe stuff connected to the movement and read everything of from that. Feminism is an ideology amongst many others, including the so called enlightenment, which Mary Wolfencraft bounced of.
One good thing that came out of feminism was fair wages for women. My aunts told me that when they worked in the same jobs as men they got paid less and that was happening as recent as the early 90s.
Another thing, there is much idealistic fantasising around this topic in many of the Catholic talk shows. The permanently happy warrior husband coming home to his wife and getting every need met while the children are tucked away in bed and she looks so well dressed and beautiful.
If yous care to look at the wages of lower paid jobs, they cannot sustain a family. Both husband and wife have to engage in paid employment. Now these poorer women in my experience here in the UK never call themselves feminists. Maybe because its the pastime of the chattering middle classes to keep trying to recreate reality.
And another point, why are women only spoken of in terms of the work of motherhood. That would only take up less than 20 years of her life. Of course motherhood is the best thing a woman can be but she does not become defunct when the children have left the home.
Obviously you don't have children. Only 20 years? 😅😅😅😅
@@eves9638 it's not a good thing for a mother to look after her adult children full time, because she would have them rely on her rather than God.
Motherhood is life long. The work of being a mother never stops - especially once grandchildren come. And we use our maternal care in the community after our children are less needy - older women used to be the backbone of charities and social safety nets. Motherhood is the default setting of every woman, even if she never has biological children. We are created to nurture and should never stop doing it.
PS - those "fair wages" are what created the two income trap that families are stuck in. Men's wages stagnated and inflation took off to the moon once we had duel income households
@Mrs_Homemaker women were working outside the home when years later the demand for fair wages came about. It really helped many women who would have ended up in prostitution.
Damn!
Josiah broke it down so well!
Spitting truth in his Kenough shirt!
LOL
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Love her definition of feminism. But you two mention the poison spread by Marx, Emma Goldman, Betty Friedman, etc - I’m noticing a coincidence
I wish Matt would invite Claire Swinarski - she clearly has a strong opposition to Carrie because she is THE "Catholic Feminist". I personally don't understand her opposition aside from the fact that she is unwilling to rebrand lol, but I'd like to understand her opposition.
@@gerardoramirez115 oh yes that would be interesting
I wonder if we've ever had a First Lady in this country who has been an example of a "good woman," or someone we could hold up to girls as an example. The famous first ladies have been completely the opposite and especially the modern ones all led completely miserable lives.
What about Rosalyn Carter?
What about Nancy Regan? She seemed nice.
Rosalyn Carter was quietly pro-abortion, and Nancy Reagan was not a good example. First, her Hollywood life was not particularly virtuous. Later in life as first lady, she was pro-abortion, consulted astrologists about her husband's presidency, and she was most certainly a feminist.
A good movie to watch about dark feminism how it targets the young and how it affects the old is Young Adult w/ Charlize Theron.
Matt really has a habit of interrupting and immediately talking over the guest as soon as a thought came to his mind. Can make it hard to listen sometimes.