Liu Chong Lore & Faction Mechanics - Mandate of Heaven DLC | Total War: Three Kingdoms
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- A look at Liu Chong's lore, history, and faction mechanics for the upcoming new Mandate of Heaven DLC for Total War: Three Kingdoms!
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Luo Jun deserves a unique portrait.
Very interesting guy. I have read the book, watched the show and never heard about him. What a badass. I don't know if I will start with him, but I can't wait to restore the Han with him.
I love his story and his play style but I am also unsure if I will start with him just because Liu Hong’s empire management sim and playing as the yellow turbans are huge draws for the new DLC but I will definitely play him later as his lore, units, and trophy cabinet are all huge pluses!
@@SeriousTrivia Yeah, so far this dlc is shaping up to be quite interesting. When they talked about the yellow turban rebellion dlc in the past, I expected something more conventional, but they seem to be introducing lots of new things. The empire management part could be part of having the child emperor or something, for example.
The only source I could find about Chong's "祕法" is from Book of the Later Han:
"華嶠曰：陳愍王寵射，善弩。其秘法以天覆地載，參連為奇，又有三微三小，三微為經，三小為緯，經緯相將，萬勝之方，然要在機牙。其射至十發十中。"
which described Chong's "祕法" of shooting crossbow.
I don't fully understand that paragraph in Classical Chinese, but it seems like the key is the 機牙(the part of crossbow which hooks the bowstring) and the measuring/calculating of the distance and height.
However, since 祕法 simply means "secret method" it probably merely means that Liu Chong had his own secret way of shooting crossbow, not necessarily wrote a book called "祕法".
I can't decide if I will play Liu Chong or Lu Zhi first. They both look fun to play. Can't wait for this dlc.
We haven’t seen Lu Zhi yet but he is on the front line against the Yellow Turbans from the start so I would expect an action packed start. And you get the cool looking Huangfu Song from the start so pretty cool!
4:20 Shu Han fans in shambles right now
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I love these lore series on ancient china!
I feel like they should have Liu Chong have 80 points of stats with 20 for resolve, expertise, cunning, authority, or maybe 30 in authority and cunning and 10 for resolve and expertise. I just feel this way because of his crossbow and just for some extra flavor in his gameplay.
I think much like the Eight Princes, characters will be strong in terms of stats given because the empire is still strong and everyone is not a upstart warlord. So I actually expect 80-100 points of stats on the major characters
Love these lore videos. Thanks for posting!
Liu Chong's starting position in the 190 campaign may be the more challenging one as he may start with less territory n likely near both Yuan Shu n Cao Cao
Probably has all of Yingchuan and Chen Farmland, but on the plus side there is a free Luoyang for the taking.
Which is great you can murder yuan shu from the very beginning of the campaign
@@james-97209 This will be priority number one.
It implies that Liu Chong was a legitimate imperial uncle
Super official as he even still had his princedom intact so that also means he was the eldest son of the eldest son of the eldest son or the main branch of his branch that split off after Emperor Ming who didn’t pass it to Liu Xian who was his second born but instead to his fifth born simply because the Empress who was without child adopted the fifth born son.
So I am starting a new lore series tomorrow and you will see that during the late Han period, many of the emperor were picked from regional princes or even dukes because the lack of male heirs. Too bad most of the people picking (generals and eunuchs) wanted weak rulers. If they had wised up to the fall coming, Liu Chong would have been a great choice.
What do you mean Liu Bei is fradulent???? I could not have seen this coming.
amazing, i was looking for the lore of liu chong as well.
I think it is okay to translate Chinese 王 into king. In Holy Roman Empire, Kaiser(Emperor) was the head of state. But there was also a vassal king which is King of Bohemia. So it was possible to have a vassal king under the emperor in Europe, so translating 王 into King would still be okay.
indeed. Its like only prince in english because the british empire only had one title between dukes and emperors in the prince of wales. The consept of a emperor having a king as vassel is pretty commen on the mainland. Thou there was only one empire and many kingdoms became empires by the 19th century
@@electricangel4488 It's because the English demoted Wale's leadership first, then give it to royal relatives.
The slightly confusing translation is not exclusive to China, Many Slavic countries, and also ones from Austria and the HRE also had this issue with translating Prince. Slavic history had many Grand Princes and Prince who were essentially warlords only distantly related to the ruling dynasty..
That’s really cool to hear! At the end of the day when learning history, one realizes how similar we really are
Really, the confusion issue rests squarely and solely with english - the Kurfürst of the Holy Roman Empire, the highest-of-the-high of the Imperial noblity, are translated as "elector count", something that sounds like it's just a count (i.e. the traditionally second-lowest rung of the landed nobility).
Ya, I personally didn't find the title "Prince" confusing. It is the most appropriate translation. The competing translation "Duke" implies something more specific and thus incorrect in most cases; "King" would be inappropriate for reasons already touched on in the video. It's more just Medieval history is not really in the mainstream culture in the English speaking world.
I second what a lot of people say about the whole King/Prince confusion being mostly for english speakers. Even in my Spanish speaking perspective I can understand it because like Spain had kings but also had subordinate Viceroys (not exactly the same thing but similar concept) and the roman empire also had an emperor with many vassal kings since spanish and latin are very related it isnt too hard to understand
This video was really well done video! Look forward to seeing more from you! +sub
Luo Jun - What a cool dude.
Making me want to play as him but i need to beat my current Yuan Shao campaign first
ah shit. I didn't know about the lore of Yuan Shu and Liu Chong. Always thought Yuan Shu is just a funny guy. Now I made him my target on every playthrough.
if you post informative videos like this on chinese history regularly i would gladly donate 👍
Oh man! Seems like I need a Patreon!
i will wait patiently my lord
Serious Trivia,if say Cao Ang survived the battle and rejoined his father,would he have been the one to inherit his titles and lands upon the father's death?
Are there records stating Cao Ang was designated as heir or...?
yes he would be the natural heir as the eldest
Can't wait for this update. With the mod add ammo with authority Liu Chong will be so op.
I'm a Chan and I play cao cao because he rules over that land but now the prince of Chen is out I got to support my peeps 😗🎶
Hi great channel! And I appreciate you spreading the culture through telling lores about the game. I’m very fond of Chinese history myself with shitty gaming skill haha. Keep up the good work :)
you just know everyone is gonna gun for the upkeep trophies only.
Once your economy picks up I think the money doesn’t really matter (100% ammo for artillery though is going to be amazing)
Hey Serious Trivia, thanks for the lore video and nice content as always. I got a question based on what I got from the video regarding the descendants of the princes which do not have the chance to become the emperor of China: Lets consider Liu Bei background was true as he claimed, how often the descendants of the minor princes fall into poverty in ancient China ?
Depends on the dynasty. In the Han Dynasty, poverty wasn’t the worst outcome as death was probably more common if you wronged the emperor in some way. If Liu Bei’s claim was true then his branch lost the title of Prince of Zhongshan simply because the grade of gold they presented as tribute was not as pure as the emperor would liked. Emperors often looked for excuses like this to justly reduce the power of princes who could become a threat to the central government (think Eight Princes). In the Qing Dynasty, princes were required to live in Beijing and stayed in their mansions enjoying a nice stipend but were basically constantly watched. In the Tang Dynasty, you were given a nice title and nice piece of land in the area you are assigned to but you could not have any power or leave the land you were assigned to. Even let’s say your mother who is a concubine to the emperor dies, you are not allowed to return to the capital for the funeral.
In Chinese there is a line in a famous poem stating 不幸生在帝王家 which translates into its unfortunate that I was born into the royal family. As cool as it sounds, surviving as a kid in the royal household was tough, ruling a country was tough, and if you didn’t become the next emperor, your life was tough.
@@SeriousTrivia so basically liu bei was one of the lucky ones
"So I heard you liek crossbowz."
The two seem very much like Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang Is it possible that's why they aren't mentioned? As it would take spotlight away from Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang? Granted Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang both live longer.
you need to cross path with one of the three kingdoms to end up in the romance of the three kingdoms. Liu Chong and Luo Jun never crossed path with any of the three main characters so they never made it to the book.
Hey how do you know so much about Chinese history? It's certainty not general knowledge for sure!
General interest in history from a young age and lots of reading and research definitely helped. And I certainly didn’t just know most of this and needed to read up on it to make sure I know what I am talking about before making these!
Princes are not just the sons of kings in European royalty. They can be brothers or uncles of the king too. Just means direct or close relations to the current king or the previous one. For example, Monsieur le Prince, in France, was usually the Duke of Orléans and brother of the king. Disney is most responsible for today’s confused interpretation 😂
the issue with this is that....they got the title while the previous king was alive (so they were the son of the king).
Yep. Though places like Russia were more generous with the title and threw it around a lot more.
So, if his connection to the Liu family is shaky at best, then what's the most probable origin of Liu Bei? And how did he manage to legitimize himself as being related to the imperial family?
So when Cao Cao helped Liu Bei beat Lu Bu, the two were allies and Liu Bei went back to the capital at that time and met with the Emperor who was a puppet under Cao Cao. The Emperor desperately needed allies so even though Liu Bei had no proof, he was named as Imperial Uncle by the Emperor. Then Liu Bei took part in an assassination plot to against Cao Cao on the Emperor's direction but it failed and thus we have Liu Bei fleeing to Xu Province again which is the start of the Fates Divided DLC.
@@SeriousTrivia :Oooo I cant believe I never actually knew that! Thanks for clearing that up!
Yeah cao ang deserves pity defending his dad who was chasing chics and getting trouble w Chang xiu
RIP to my boy Dian Wei also.
i'd like to know more about this zhang kai character. he seems to be like yurt the silence chief from demon's souls. that is, a cold blooded killer!
thanks for the information. knowing the background of the characters reinforces the gameplay!
Check out this lore video I did covering all 6 of the original unique yellow turban characters from the old DLC. Zhang Kai's details are in it. ruclips.net/video/AB1fSVxgDWk/видео.html
@@SeriousTrivia thanks
I certainly wouldn't mind if you grow a channel specialized in Chinese history or lores in ancient China. Suggestion: list links to your sources in the description. (or even better, put reference number on screen in addition.)
For myself, this is a gaming channel first and the history is just here to enrich the gaming experience. I started the channel because playing these games is something I enjoy and if I have to end up citing everything and just focus on history, I think it will just turn it into something less enjoyable for myself.
@@SeriousTrivia Alright. That's understandable. Thanks for clarifying.
Shaky? wasn't his father a government official and his ancestor as a former heir or part of the family clan
Super super shaky! His claim is that he is the descendant of the line of Liu Sheng who was the prince of Zhongshan and he was born in 165 BC during the Western Han Dynasty about 16 generations back and the reason why he claimed this was because Liu Sheng had over 120 sons so it’s difficult to trace his bloodline back. There is a good chance, Liu Bei was a fraud who seized an opportunity and casted himself as royalty to gain support.
So there has been no DNA test to confirm that his claim is fake so far
His tomb has stayed unopened so such a test has not been possible
@@SeriousTrivia I'd say it's very likely that even if Liu Bei isnt actually an imperial descendant, he genuinely believed he was because it's something his ancestor claimed. So even if he wasn't actually of the Liu Clan he might have believed he was and so there wasn't any purposeful foul play on his part.
Wait I thought only Cao Cao's tomb was found out of the three warlords.
😂 who the heck are you I love your humor
Nice video! Shouldn't Prince be Duke in this case, since they are 1 level below the monarch?
Nope because in Chinese there is a level below the 王 called 公 who is more like a duke lol. It’s just confusing cause there is one extra level called the emperor so you have to rethink what king means
It should be seen as a king below the emporer
I tried to get the Silk Tassel trophy, but despite having over 15 units spear infantry, I can't unlock it. Does it have to be any specific infantry? I will be grateful for any hint what to do.
Which spear unit did you recruit? I am not super sure but I can give you my best guess depending on your situation.
@@SeriousTrivia Almost all, but I managed to determine that it must be Ji Militia. Anyway thanks for the good intentions.
So i can recruit him in the base game now?
After the DLC comes out he will be updated in the base game (he is actually in the base game already as a generic scout commander character which I found in episode 2 of my current Dong Zhuo campaign, so you can go check him out there)
@@SeriousTrivia Thanks for the reply bro, cant wait for the campaign when it comes out keep up the great work
Do we know Liu Chong's courtesy name?
we don't as very few people would actually call him that
Okay but why does Cao Cao start with Chen in 190?
Actually better yet,what was his path after the coalition fell?
Chen and Chenliu were two separate commanderies but the game map only has them as one so it’s a bit weird to fit both of them in. Cao Cao’s expansion path goes towards Dong and the Yan province
@@SeriousTrivia Damn,thanks
Who did he fight for Dong province(the town and iron mine in game,right?).
Did he fight the Yellow Turbans,the same ones he incorporates in his army?
Good guys here don't last long sadly :(
I find it strange they didn't anticipate any sort of retaliation from Yuan Shu. Knowing Yuan Shu and turning down giving him food alone would be a cause to heighten security.