Jordan Peterson and the Stories We Live In.
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- Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2024
- I look at the effect of Jordan Peterson on culture, the similarities in our though as well as my differences with him regarding the importance of stories. This essay was commissioned by Word On Fire with the original title: "Faith, Film, and the Stories we Live in."
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JP brought me back to faith after 30 years of nihilism and addiction. God bless him.
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HunIvan the racism and specifically antisemitism in that comment section is very telling. Every now and then I start to think that racism isn’t as big of a problem as the media wants us to believe and then I see things like that and I’m shocked at how blatant people still are with their bigotry.
@@arthritisankle oh man, get ready for the real deal. It was a lie they will tell until it's true. You attack people based on race, they will collectivize in self defense. Its fucking sad and soon will be if not already is inevitable.
@@arthritisankle There are only a few such people. They have only darkness in their eyes, so see only darkness. They have no faith, and spread fear about everything that doesn't perfectly align with how they imagine the world should be. It's not that they are wrong either. It's how they, like so many on "social" media, go looking for the negatives (which are always, always there), and then go "see, this guy is a fraud", when anyone with a shred of Christ in him knows that by that method, we should all just hold our lips shut. They are just using this tactic to spread their own agenda, which might or might not have a good point to it. They can't accept that different people can be honest and see things differently, so everyones a shill who doesn't align with them.
@Intercaust have you ever listened to Alan Watts?
Beautiful speech Mr. Pageau. Thank you for your contributions. I am a 23 year old who grew up in secular America and I must admit that Jordan Peterson introduced me to the Bible for the very first time. I was an atheist 3 years ago, then an agnostic and just two months ago I was baptized into Jesus Christ's holy Eastern Orthodox church. God bless you Jonathan, I will pray for you.
Welcome home
Would you be willing to reference the things that drew you to the Eastern Orthodox church as opposed to any other church? Much appreciated
@@youssefsammouh501 Apostolic succession is the thing that got it narrowed down to either Roman Catholics or Orthodox. The protestant world is so fractured and confused, that I was wondering for about a year which church to even go to first. It seemed hopeless. But once I learned about apostolic succession it made sense to me. Then I walked into an Orthodox church during the Sunday liturgy and was moved by it deeply. Started doing a bit more research, learned about the great schism and decided that Orthodoxy had the best case and the most beautiful traditions.
To me the only real choice is between the Roman Church and the Orthodox church. Protestants are totally cut off from their history, they are not part of Christ's mystical body.
@@TheFeralcatz Thank you.
You are extremely based my friend
Jordan is like the medo Persian Kings who sent the Israelites back and helped them rebuild the temple. The Holy Spirit works in mysterious ways indeed. From atheist to Orthodox and Jordan was a step along that path, I hope he makes a full recovery. Thanks Jonathan, God Bless and all the glory to Him.
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You mean King Cyrus.
@@Whats_in_a_name_1 Actually both peterson and trump are philosemitic traitors.
He led me to Orthodoxy, too.
Just read that story today, beautiful
I stumbled on this three years after it was posted, but I'm glad I found it.
JP + JP 😊
Man I've been in a crisis of faith, ever since the World turn against my Christian believes, even at the point of feeling ashamed of that very faith, like it was something wrong, in my university class after class I had to saw my professors and mates telling me with all sort of very compelling facts that all that was wrong with the World and society was because of my religion, for years I was on silence and doubt but never dispense of my faith because it was the only thing sheltering my from auto destruction. Then I heard Peterson and his articulate defense of religion and his invitation to take my cross and live by those stories and my life Is complete, I will defend my faith thanks to people like you and Dr. Peterson, I will be forever glad Man anda thankfull... Keep on that good work brother
Peterson brought me here three years ago. He set me on a path that led me back to the doors of the Church. Glory to God!
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glory to google too apparently.. they love him..
I noticed it too. No matter what I watch, I'm sent to a Peterson video every single time. It used to send me to fox news (funneling us to mainstream if we watch independent commentators, I assume). I thought it was because I watched him all the time a few years ago. The fact Google likes him kind of makes me paranoid.😂
@@RunninUpThatHillh it should
he is not a good guy
Same here! I don't like him now but his lectures led me to the right path, ironically not that which he follows!
Jonathon, Your essay cuts a swath of deep hope in a mire of despair. I believe with you that the story and truth of Christianity will emerge and is emerging. I’m so glad for the word of prophetic hope you spoke to Jordan and I am praying to that end. One important course of action you stated -‘Individuals must unite themselves to a body.’ I would love to hear you expand on this even more in the future. Please, please keep speaking in the public forum. Your voice is an essential one. Few have your depth. Thanks again.
This video synthesizes the three contributors to changing my life since 2018: Peterson, Pageau, & Barron.
I would recommend checking out Taylor Marshall! I have had a similar path and he definetly is worth looking into!
Glorious essay
"I am inevitable" - Jesus, 2020
🔴reality
🟠soul
🟡mind
🟢time
🔵space
🟣power
They mock his father in Avengers.
"I Am"
"Almighty Thanos"
"You will never be a god"
That's why it tickles me watching them get ragdolled. They know what they're up against is an impossible fight.
@@Menaceblue3 this reminds me of the chakras.
Wow just wow! It's fascinating to see how maybe and finally people want meaning in there lives. Been struggling with that thought, I grew up where if you have meaning you miss the mark, but the hollowness and emptiness I've had is so dark that one shouldn't stay there. The thought though "why care about a world that doesn't care for itself" still rings in my ears. It's a constant battle meaning vs emptiness.... Jordan Peterson after reading his book brought back some light, once finished my youngest sister died randomly, she went to bed like any other day and never woke up, that day will always live within me, I remember though if I hadn't watched Jordan Petersons lectures and read his book, I probably would have killed myself, and she was one of 5 funerals I had to go to in 2017. My sister was the one who told me about him, as if preparing me for the day she would die. I don't know, felt compelled to write this after your reading of your paper good sir...God bless and thank you for your thoughts.
I’m sorry for your loss. Losing family members is the thing I fear the most in this life. Please stay strong so that you can help others who go through this as well.
Absolutely fantastic. Well done.
Really appreciate this post, yes, "without that extra step, we melt like wax before the fire" . Wow what an analogy!!!! I share space with you in the Word on Fire Journal for this summer issue on film. I am the one with the article about renewing culture with the great classic films. Truly enjoyed your presentation of your article...
@Onalee McGraw that line comes from one of our prayers in the Orthodox Church. It's called the "Prayer to the Holy Cross (Let God Arise)" and is by St. Gregory of Palamas.
Thank you Jonathan Pageau for putting into words what some of us could not.
Because of Jordan peterson (and other personal events) I started going to church. And I go every week. And this is now a huge part of my life.
Your writing is beautiful. Please Jonathan, write books. It’d be such a win for so many people.
It’s amazing how intelligent and talented the man is. As Jordan Peterson has said, ‘Jonathan has a touch of genius about him’,
God Bless you, Jonathan. Thank you for everything you do.
This was one of the best talks on culture I’ve ever heard.
What a magnificent video, what an inspiring message you managed to convey! This is honestly one of your best videos, thank you so much, I have repeated certain segments so many times now!
Thank you Jonathon Pageau for commenting on the story we live in. I am impressed, and in total harmony with everything you have spoken about. The Christian Story is in my opinion the most beautiful and meaningful of all stories. As you said, it has motivated the people for generations... build cathedrals to its glory. As the story unfolds... we are called back to His Heavenly Mansion... the purpose of his incarnation.
A genuinely eloquent essay, Jonathan; both deeply thoughtful and moving. You have managed to not only inform your audience as an excellent teacher, but you've cut through the cultural noise, revealed the depth of meaning to be found in the Ancient Christian Faith, and posed a legitimate challenge that I hope Professor Jordan Peterson will appreciate and take seriously.
I know Jordan has been through a lot with his family, but I have felt like some of his emotions and struggles are coming from him grappling with a commitment to true Christianity. His honesty and intellect have brought him a long ways, but I believe it still takes faith and the authority of Christ to find the peace that passes understanding. Excellent essay.
Yeah, I couldn't help but wonder if his time in Russia exposed him to Orthodoxy a bit more. I'm sure that most of the workers at the hospital he was in were Orthodox Christians.
I love that at the end of his newest vlog to his fans, he said, very unironically something like, "and with the grace of God" and there was this heavy light to the words, as if he had found something divine in his recent journey to the underworld... but it could just be me projecting ;)
I think he's earnestly honouring the stories, and using his intellect and heart to fathom a truth that he can fully integrate as a whole without having to consciously defend as artifice.
I think he is seeking integrity, a religion based on a leap is not an option for him, he needs to build a path, a road to the straightest gates, else he will be judged to have fallen short of his potential - by himself and his god.
The reason I'm a fan of both Jordan and Jonathan is explained in this wonderful video. The contrast and comparison of Christian mythology and pop culture storytelling are inevitable and to a degree necessary.
While it greatly saddens me that Bishop Barron feels more comfortable with non-Catholics than Catholics, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your contribution. You are truly a shining light in this world Mr. Pageau. May God bless you and your family.
Thanks jonathan
A marvelous piece of writing! And a great reading of it. Thank you.
I have said many times that Target and Walmart are like ancient Greece or Rome where you have aisles of "Marvel" gods or "Star Wars" gods or whatever. We decorate our homes with them and advertise which temple we worship at on our cars and with out t-shirts. We see others of the same clan in public and feel a kinship. But what you say here is exactly the reality of that. It is false and shallow and missing the fullness of The Story. One of the major things that made my wife (and family, and friends) say, "There may be something to this Orthodox thing," as I was journeying into The Church was that my surroundings changed. Indeed my stories changed. My home is now full of the Saints, not the Starks, or the Stormtroopers. I am not denouncing anyone who still can enjoy those things. In fact I have been "picking up" things now and then as I can that I can enjoy with a clean conscience. Things not tied to past sins or selfishness but definitely in the realms of those myths I enjoy. Like Lord of the Rings, DUNE, and The Expanse. (Books) But for me the change has been as big of a shift as leaving the temple of Artemis and becoming a Christian.
Excellent! Thank you for sharing your essay!
Jonathan, Excellent essay! Thank you for sharing.
So Powerful!!! I’m sharing this message to everyone I know!
Good to share! I agree with you Robert.
We need to live in the story
I can barely speak after hearing Jonathan describe Christianity in the person of Christ!!!! It moved me to tears, inspired and convicted me as a Christian to participate, which is the last thing I want to do, but is my calling from Christ Himself. I am again amazed by Jonathan's ability to see and articulate the POWER OF THE SYMBOLIC WORLD. Trampling down death by death.
So glad jordan Peterson is healthy love that guy.
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@@hunivan7672 🐑
@@SalveMaria777 sheep are beautiful creatures
Well read, well written and well thought challenge to make. Bravo
deep as usual as it's great. tks for sharing your thoughts. Sometimes I get frustrated because in my despair of the enlightenment of Christ by my love ones I remembered that such a powerful and transforming gift isn't happen by reason but throug revelation given by the Holy spirit. Let's keep praying for JP and for our loved ones.
Wow. This is one of the most impactful videos I've heard in a long long time. Feels accessible to share with friends.
huge fan of you jonathan. big time loves to u and ur work my man thanks for everything u do in this world.
"Bad church architecture", that jumped out at me as for several years now when I see modern English churches I always thought, "Wow that building has NO spiritual character!" Good to know I am not on my own in thinking that!!
Amen, brother Jonathan! We must go further!
Masterful. Keep it coming.
Beautiful, thank you.
Whoa! I've been hoping for a collaberation between Jonathan and Bishop Barron. Didn't know you were in touch! Amazing ^^
Absolutely brilliant.
Thank you, that was beautiful....
Hope you and Jordan work together again. I watch Bishop Barron as well. God speed gentlemen.
Beautifully done, thank you for sharing!
2:03 Aww, two frens
Beautiful! Thank you! 💕🙏👏
We're living the death and gonna live the resurrection of Christianity.
interesting, glad jordan is still living , getting better each day
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Good message
This brought me to tears, honestly. You’ve just said everything I was trying to understand and practice everyday in my work as a screenwriter. Thank you, Jonathan, God bless you and your work!
STORIES MUST BE A PATH WE WALK.
DAMN..... now that's a metric for Great STORIES.....
THANKS. GOD BLESS
Thanks
Powerful. 🙌
This was beautiful Jonathan. I loved the last line.
The Dr bring back christianity? Jonathan, it's you! Thank you and God bless. 🙌🙏
Wow, an insanely beautiful essay. Thanks for sharing that with us
So happy to see our real life hero Jordan Peterson back and well.
"Let God Arise!"
Nice.
Great essay.
Many people mistake Odin's actions as being motivated by personal ambition (myself included at one point); there are books that propose him as a god of the left hand path. But if you read his story, it appears that actually, Odin does what he does all in preparation for Ragnarok. And this is essentially Peterson's message: sort yourself out and prepare for the flood or it will be worse when the day comes.
Notice on the Day of Ragnarok that Odin rides to face chaos personified in the wolf Fenrir, as does his son Thor, when he faces the Midgard Serpent. This too is a Peterson lesson, in always being brave in the face of Danger. Both Odin and Thor perish in Ragnarok, but due to their heroic actions, other gods in the linage survive.
The fact is, while different Christian and Jewish parties try to urge Peterson into their boats, I believe his spirit is Odinic and not Christian.
yes.. he is teaching selftranscendence and transformation.. that is odinic and faustian..
@@mostlydead3261
The Death and Resurrection of Christ are symbols of transcendence and transformation. Peterson did an Easter Special a few years ago when he spoke in-depth about it.
I've been watching Jonathan's content for about a year now. He has inspired me to explore the Orthodox tradition. Does anyone know of an Orthodox podcast?
Orthodox Ethos podcast
@@JackTimothy Thank you! Also, loved Samari Jack as a kid. Haven't seen it in awhile but I bet it holds up.
@@annkellett7592 Thank you!
Check out Jay Dyer, Norwegian Nous, Brother Augustine, Church of the Eternal Logos, Roosh V... All are laymen, except NN who is a deacon; also, Peter Heers, Father Spyridon, and so on
@@dzemperator Thank you!
Don’t have anything intelligent to say so I’ll just say nicely done!
For many millenials, Harry Potter and comic books have become narrative models for their lives.
I think because they do have a mythological substructure.
@@troller7779 Yes. The hero's journey from a to z. Look up Joseph Campbell
You need to have a conversation with Jordan again.
Thanks Jonathan.
EDIT Thanks Word on Fire.
Beautifully written and delivered, my brother. Glory to God.
omg I'm so happy he's better, I felt so bad for him :(
His wisdom seems to have returned with him too.
B.t.w the OM... word appears blasphemous...to me at least.
Just a heads up.
Very interesting to see capt. America and jordan peterson in the thumbnail after what just happened in the new capt. America comic book.
more of these!
7:32 Could you elaborate on what precisely you mean by "life becomes death" and "light that becomes darkness" and it's significance? Thanks.
This is fantastic, I wish i could translate it to share with my friends
This was great.
Chills twice. Must be a good story!
Where can I get a copy of your excellent essay?
Word on Fire ministries offers that publication for members.
Love the medieval mystery play allusion, as a PhD Theater History student!
God bless you, brother 💜🌷💜
Hi Jonathan, I'm a fan of your work, watch most of your videos, and am Orthodox, so please don't take this as me being a troll, but please consider the letter sent to you by Michael Witcoff about Jordan.
I don't know exactly what's in it, but I can guess, and I'm fairly certain he's coming from a good intention. As I understand he was hoping you would give it to Jordan, because even then it seemed Jordan was in a bad place or at least heading there.
The ending of this essay of yours says it best, I think, it highlights the fundamental problem. Keep up the great work and good luck with the comic!
Superb! More please, Jonathan.
Professor Kermit reconnected me with human history. I'm a child of this century, was born and raised an atheist, but there he stood, on the threshold between this world and another, or between ideology and the real world, and he showed me the way, like you guys talked about in the Metaphysics of Pepe video.
Interesting
THAT WAS AWESOME!
Baron and Pageau? Is this a crossover episode?
This video is where I learned I could trust you, for the most part
This is excellent Jonathan. God bless you. I hope you'll talk more about the saints in the future. Their lives are the empirical evidence of our faith.
Very good. Thank you, Jonathan. Your sister in Christ - Pam
very good...ultimately and like the bible says - we reap what we sew.
Such interesting timing with this video. On my own channel I've been contemplating the meaning of our stories in the this modern crisis.
Just started the video. I don't know that you and Peterson are that far apart with Peterson's idea of the "Psychological Significance of the Bible".
Breakdown these words and essentially what you get is the Logos (logical) of the Soul (psyche) and its meaning (significance) as it relates to the Bible.
In any case, the gap between you two is narrowing. At least in my mind/heart.
@Ryan McMorrow yes. I was breaking down the etymology of "Psychological"
Better way would of been the manifestation of the truth of the soul.
@Ryan McMorrow what word salad
So good! Thanks for the meta-articulation!
Hongera Bwana Jonathan! Mungu akubariki sana, sana.
Jonathan - what are your thoughts on Bevelyn Beatty?
Great question!
Great essay, always enjoy your content!
very interesting article, I love and admire yours and Jordan Peterson's ideas and work. However, I might be wrong, but I think all the Christ stories you mentioned had existed thousands of years before Christ, such as ancient Mesopotamian and Egyptian mythologies from which the stories of Christ have likely emerged from. The same as current pop-culture stories being a continuation of Christian storied and other ancient threads of wisdom and truth. I don't know, what do you think?
Que penses tu des propos de Carl Jung qui méfiait contre les dangers de l'inflation et de l'identification à la figure du christ ?
Great text. Thanks.
Thank you
My favorite part of the essay is @5:58. “...,That story.” Yes, that story cannot be ignored. No matter how hard we may try to, it will reassert itself because that story is the pattern of reality itself!
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