If this ship was at sea I would agree with your statement, but since it was tied up at the dock I’d say it’s not much different than a high rise parking structure. Sure it’s not exactly the same, but it doesn’t add that much more to the degree of difficulty. What this fire needed most, but did not get was firefighting foam. Foam makes water 3 to 5 times more effective at extinguishing fire. Plain, untreated water has high surface tension and doesn’t get fuels wet fast enough to cool before gas expansion cause the fire to spread. Notice the smoke churn as the fire stream pushes into the ship? That churn is a direct result of air entrainment. UL informs us that exterior fire streams draw in a lot (I mean A LOT) of air and oxygen. Much more oxygen than cool water. Fires feed off of oxygen. The gas expansion that results when the water is converted to steam mixes with the oxygen introduced by the fire stream which contributes to additional smoke development and flame spread. Foam concentrate has an active ingredient call Surfactant which bonds water molecules to carbon molecules making them too wet to burn and the gas to heavy to remain in the atmosphere. Oxygen can’t oxidize wet carbon so bye bye smoke and poisonous/flammable fire gasses. Hello fresh air for all to breathe. Chief Hughes Battalion 1 (retired) Chicago FD
@@jerryhughes5380 I should have mentioned that car carrier ships are the real challenge in firefighting. As I understand it, they're nothing like parking garages; the cars are packed in bumper to bumper, door to door, and because the deck heights are adjustable the overhead clearance is no more than the height of the tallest vehicles. It is very difficult to walk around a car deck in the best of circumstances and nearly impossible when it is filled with smoke. This fire was very similar to a 2020 one on a car carrier docked in Jacksonville. Several firefighters were seriously injured though none fatally.
@arrett918 History repeats itself. When the French ocean liner Normandie caught fire at its dock in Manhattan during WWII incompatible hose fittings prevented the FDNY from fighting the fire and the ship sank.
What a sad day for firefighters from around the country when you lose a part of your family. Prayers to all the famlies. I hope there is something learned from this to honor those hurt and lost to help the firefights with this type of fire. Thanks for sharing the day after....🤗🤗
Sorry for the losses taken place in Newark... Lil surprised that hose connectors were of different sizes and that was not known before this fire and connectors were not thought of before this tragedy. Respect for all firefighters' world wide
Why is no one in charge of this fire even considering the use of firefighting foam? Even UL tells us that only 5% to 10% of the water applied to a fire contributes to extinguishment.
I would assume that there are significant environmental impacts from firefighting foam. Additionally, the amount of foam needed to make an impact on the fire would be immense - the fire was burning uncontrolled on multiple decks that couldn’t be reached from the exterior.
Fighting shipboard fires is often WAY more complicated than firefighting on land.
If this ship was at sea I would agree with your statement, but since it was tied up at the dock I’d say it’s not much different than a high rise parking structure. Sure it’s not exactly the same, but it doesn’t add that much more to the degree of difficulty. What this fire needed most, but did not get was firefighting foam. Foam makes water 3 to 5 times more effective at extinguishing fire. Plain, untreated water has high surface tension and doesn’t get fuels wet fast enough to cool before gas expansion cause the fire to spread. Notice the smoke churn as the fire stream pushes into the ship? That churn is a direct result of air entrainment. UL informs us that exterior fire streams draw in a lot (I mean A LOT) of air and oxygen. Much more oxygen than cool water. Fires feed off of oxygen. The gas expansion that results when the water is converted to steam mixes with the oxygen introduced by the fire stream which contributes to additional smoke development and flame spread. Foam concentrate has an active ingredient call Surfactant which bonds water molecules to carbon molecules making them too wet to burn and the gas to heavy to remain in the atmosphere. Oxygen can’t oxidize wet carbon so bye bye smoke and poisonous/flammable fire gasses. Hello fresh air for all to breathe.
Chief Hughes
Battalion 1 (retired)
Chicago FD
@@jerryhughes5380 I should have mentioned that car carrier ships are the real challenge in firefighting. As I understand it, they're nothing like parking garages; the cars are packed in bumper to bumper, door to door, and because the deck heights are adjustable the overhead clearance is no more than the height of the tallest vehicles. It is very difficult to walk around a car deck in the best of circumstances and nearly impossible when it is filled with smoke.
This fire was very similar to a 2020 one on a car carrier docked in Jacksonville. Several firefighters were seriously injured though none fatally.
@arrett918 History repeats itself. When the French ocean liner Normandie caught fire at its dock in Manhattan during WWII incompatible hose fittings prevented the FDNY from fighting the fire and the ship sank.
What a sad day for firefighters from around the country when you lose a part of your family. Prayers to all the famlies. I hope there is something learned from this to honor those hurt and lost to help the firefights with this type of fire. Thanks for sharing the day after....🤗🤗
Sorry for your loss
And still it burns.
Nah it’s been out since last Saturday
How come no training on ships
Very Tracic loss of life😢. Rip brothers we got it from here.
Where is command post did the ship activate the watch quarter. An station bill??? What was the. Chain of command
you are the BEST videos of the FDNY !!!! Keep up the great work.2 lost FF :RIP
Fdny firefighters were killed
Pretty Tragic I passed by this when I was driving it was Smokey on the highway.
awesome footage an great job to all the brother from the fdny an nj firemana to
great video
Sorry for the losses taken place in Newark... Lil surprised that hose connectors were of different sizes and that was not known before this fire and connectors were not thought of before this tragedy. Respect for all firefighters' world wide
There was a international shore connection. Why was it not used!!!!!!
Speculation EV fire
Will some one tell
How very sad that two FDNY have died. The mess afterwards s going to be costly as well.
They were Newark NJ Firefighters, not NY.
The two firefighters that died were from Newark NJ fire Dept.
@@dennisbellinger333 thanks I didn't look it up and there's nothing in the description about specifics.
Pardon my ignorance can someone explain what happened...
Not that hard to use Google dude
Why is no one in charge of this fire even considering the use of firefighting foam? Even UL tells us that only 5% to 10% of the water applied to a fire contributes to extinguishment.
I would assume that there are significant environmental impacts from firefighting foam. Additionally, the amount of foam needed to make an impact on the fire would be immense - the fire was burning uncontrolled on multiple decks that couldn’t be reached from the exterior.
Can’t they seal off the car compartment and flood that one compartment?