Why Every Killer Plays Like It's a Tournament Now - Dead by Daylight
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I missed some things out to avoid the video being 40 minutes long but the main reason the sweat really blew up with the Vecna patch which I didn't explain well was pop pain res were the only decent gen regression left before the patch. If you want more detail, I'd highly recommend this video from Choy where he goes over all the previous killer meta's for the past few years. ruclips.net/video/gYEHUPcrq-I/видео.html& Though I don't agree with what he believes the killer meta will go to (eruption is just unusable in it's current state especially with the 8 gen kick limit).
I made this video since the Vecna patch, my matches have been horrific on both sides and I've noticed alot of discourse online about it. I anticipated this happening in the patchnotes but I see alot of people not understanding why it's happened so I made this video to try and explain it to those who don't understand (even though I will probably get the DBD mob on me for it). I will return to my regular style of videos after this and have another Sadako meme-esque video in the works for those of you who really enjoy those types of videos.
ur a genious bro how are u so underrated? litereally explained everything so well in 12 minutes!
10:22 What was monitor & abuse and Shadowborn shared a description
Other fov effects do not stack
Take this goddamn line and use this on perks that need the buff
Call of brine & overcharged did not need to stack together
Lol..dude that sht started in 2020! Since then Killers got critically nerfed in EVERY PATCH! There were some with a few buffs, too but even in the "big Killer sided" Update there were unessesary Nerfs in it!
And yes, Survs have those changes , too, but nothing that makes a whole character unplayable!
But we are on the samne Page!
Everyone who thinks this is Killer sided and overall people that started playing after 2020 wouldnt have left grey ranks in 2018!
FOR SURE!
Just make it shorter,people play to win not for fun kinda a cycle
This guy is pure genius at work. All skill, subscribed. Edit: "thank you"
Killer doesnt play meta build and plays casually leading to 0-1 kills. Gets tbag and ridiculled at end game chat.
This community is just toxic overrall no matter the sides they play.
@@rxntei4019 of course, however due to the simple fact its easier to meet toxic survivor due to the fact you facing 4 of them. And if one is gonna start bragging about other might also do it even tho they are not toxic themselft. this is just how psychology work
Played no perks no add on legion vs a 4man, they were insanely toxic all game and in the end chat "why no perks dumbass?"
Don't read endgame chat and just don't watch them teabag?
Skill issue otherwise
Nothing worse than someone playing a fun D tier killer like Ghostie and Myers playing as nice as humanely possible then seeing people bag at the exit gate.
Summary: Maybe if playing killer wasnt miserable half the time, then people wouldnt sweat
you guys would not of lasted a single day in 2020~ dbd holy shit lol
@@DeputyFish just because it was worse doesn't mean it's not bad
@@CErra310 its literally not its just a skill issue on your part
@@DeputyFish As someone who played since release and runs comp I can say you have no idea what you are talking about. 2016 DBD was absolutely terrible balanced but everyone was so incredibly bad and trolling that it felt balanced. Now since people got better at the game an already unbalanced game feels how it is - unbalanced. It is a skill issue on the survivor end. People run the most broken stuff and still die, thats just bad survivor skill. If you dont believe me Id like you to run as trapper against my team to understand that you have literally 0 chance to win even with full gen regression.
@@DBDChases LOL kid thats hilarious
it didnt feel balanced at all. you have nostalgia brain so badly
some killers had less than a 40% win rate
Survivor: Brings sabo-anti pick up/hook build
Also Survivor: Why am i being slugged????
@@StizzY8 because killers are being abused so much their basicly becoming afraid to pick up survivors and find slugging a straight up safer and better playstyle to win.
@@StizzY8its not innacurate mr survivor main
@@StizzY8I bet u t bag every killer u see huh
@@StizzY8this isn't better than @LappyAwoo dude
We are fucking adults people stop arguing like children T_T
Neither of you idiots are right
Normal design philosophy:
X (bad thing) happen > why? Because of Y > fix y
BHVR:
X happen > make it worse > now Z is bad > make it worse > now Y is bad > make it worse + make it easier to work around > X is back > repeat
hey bro, this math ain't mathing
you missed the part where they realse a perk that is entirely worthless unless you face exactly that strategy, like come on man, who needs to have hurt you if you run mad grit as a standart perk
@@iLooking123 time to math i guess
Warning: i have a life, and even though I am a science geek I am not fantastic at math, so all of this is completely arbitrary. This isn't a math equation, and abstracting this idea into this medium is very difficult. Do not read past this, for your own sake.
We have a game, with a fun value which is named_z_.
We want a fun game, so the higher the value of _z_ the better. Lets say, a good game dev should achieve a _z_ value of _3 or more_ (_z>=3_)
The value of _z_ is determined by this equation: _a+b+c=z_
_a_ represents game mechanics
_b_ represents the community
_c_ represents why you would play this game
(There's many more into making a good game but you read the warning)
_a_ is a simple, and dbd is a pretty simple game, so lets say it's equation is _a=1_
_b_ is more complex,
Ok
Im sorry i need to sleep and doing this on a phone sucks, what I was going to say is that b is based on c, and c is based on a, and b is the largest contributing factor to the success of this game. So when z is bad, b is why. The reason why it's b is because of c, and the reason why it's c is because of a.
The problem with bhvr is that instead of tracing the problem back to the causs, like if b had an issue, then they'd mess with a instead of tracing it back to a and fixing that.
That, and the fact that bhvr only tweaks the numbers instead of changing the equation, and this reluctance causes very little good change to happen.
Im not saying I could do any better of a job, but I'm one dude. That is a successful company with several people behind every tiny insignificant change they make to nerf the pig and somehow buff nurse. At least get more than one W a year.
Fuck this, my speech is slurring, im going to bed. If you got something from this, great. If you didn't, i don't give a shit. Go grab a hotdog, and a glass a water. Stay hydrated i guess and gn
@@smithbabies7886 what the hell, bro you typed Essay to answer a non answerable answer of mine. I just type it for joke. "math aint mathing". If you're getting offended by that. You're really geek.
Perfect description of these incompetent devs "work"
Honestly I just hate the whole beef survivor and killer mains have. It's a game, You're not in a squid game like tournament where losing means death. Survivors fail to read killer patch notes. I know I'm a killer main but Survivors don't realize how stressful it is sometime to play killer, like its a 4v1. Another issue is content creators and streamers who mainly play survivor that make people who follow them grow as toxic as they are, causing a butterfly effect where if you loose one match it's that sides fault and they're "Not good". There are a bunch of sore winners too on the survivor side as well. I'll be honest I feel like sore winners on Killer side are rare. survivors treat the killer like their entertainment and toss them away like toys like it's not a real person playing as the killer. They give up when stuff doesn't go their way and makes the killer just have a boring match. examples are stuff like sabo squads giving up when someone runs franklins or agitation and mad grit, or they just choose to hide from the killer till the match timer runs out.
Edit:War…War never changes.
Yes! Exaclty!
Fax bro and I play both sides and this is fax there are hardcore survivor mains who don’t understand the stress from killer and how it acc takes skill. From a survivor pov I only give up if there is an afk teammate or something throwing the game, if not I don’t just message the killers saying they’re bad or ez or teabag I have respect
Well, when you’re playing a role is normal to think that the other side is the problem. The anniversary just showed us how killers can be totally assholes for no reason. This is not a one vs them, killers can be trash too, but we can see people talking about survivors being the mean ones because 4 people scream louder than 1.
Both sides can be toxic and if you main killer you're only going to encounter more toxicity from survivors. It's why survivor mains feel like killers are more toxic. It's just probability. You're kind of adding fuel to that fire by perceiving it this way
@@firewall56 survivors be gen rushing for no reason
Something Ive dealt with as a killer main is, if I play a killer Im not great at or dont play much in high mmr to have fun, I get berated hard. Very hard. Like bruh?
when you're new to the game its even worse. every game = t-bagging till the last second of the timer 👍🏻
When I first got deathslinger my first game I went against a p100 Rebecca that teabagged and then proceeded to bully me in pm after the game. She only got away because her teammates body blocked for her multiple times at the end even after they seen her abusing boil over. She goes to tell me I suck and yada yada. I tell her it’s my first game as deathslinger and if you’re so good why is your MMR at my freshly bought killers MMR? That shut her up real quick
Well its not like you can choose what MMR you play in? But yea I totally understand what he's talking about I totally switched from Pop/Pain Res because even when using all 4 stacks of pain res and having at least one person on deathook and the gens are finished in 6 mins, and when you lose its almost never gg, its "Wow how bad are you" "Uninstall" etc, but the 7 games I won prior to that I gave hatch or the door.... Ive stopped giving hatch or escapes
What I find the funniest part of that is that it's always trash survivors.
So many times I face killers who are destroying the team to the point they could win at 2-3 gens left, but then have one fun chase with one survivor and decide to turn it into a 1v1s until all gens are done and to let everybody escape, yet endgame you'll have one survivor call them trash at the game ?! Like dude, you were dead on hook at 4 gens left without him tunnelling you, you went down in 10s everytime, stfu.
I honestly don't know if those people are so delusional they truly believe the killer was trash or if they're so pathetic their only joy in life is trying to start beef with randoms on video games.
@@Libellulaire Pathetic that they have to beef with randoms, Im a killer main but I play survivor too, and when I have like 5 hooks and they are at 2 gens I kick it into high gear to win, and then Im a "Sweaty Tryhard" but if I throw on a meme build and 12 hook, but lose at 8 hooks and get tbagged and called garbage lol
Survivors wasting time at Endgame by t-bagging instead of leaving: 😁
Survivors getting slugged for the exact same time duration: 😡
EGC is two minutes
Bleeding out is 4
Good try though
@@julianrosado1592 Finally some truth xD
I reserve that for killers who hump me or hit me on hook, tunnel me xD
I don't understand why survivors won't just leave sometimes. I am waiting for my golden BW play someday ❤
@@julianrosado1592one of these things are unnecessary 100% of the time and it’s not slugging 😁
Bro I only do it when the survivors piss me off. I literally was getting flashbanged blinking 2-3 times in a row and soon as I knock a survivor they flashlights me again it got so annoying so I literally just knock one and go on to the next and they kept reviving so I kept knocking until they all bled out. Honestly I was satisfied so I'm gonna keep it.
Killers play like their lives depend on it because they get no kills if they play casual. Survivors have so many tools at their disposal to get gens done quick. Deja Vu, Hyperfocus/Stakeout combo, BNP, etc. Killers pretty much have to play ruthlessly unless they want their games to last 5 seconds. I’ve played both sides, and I’ve seen how fast gens can pop from both perspectives. It’s why I don’t even mind if killers slug, or camp or tunnel near the end, because they need it to up the pressure at this point if they haven’t gotten kills by the endgame.
Edit: Not everyone wants to spend money to get 4 gen regression perks, and even with 4, that doesn’t slow things down a whole lot considering how fast gens will still go with all the good gen speed options survivors have.
Hey If you ran hyperfocus, bardic, stake Out, deja vu and you Manege to Hit great skillcheks only you can withe a bit of toolbox Help finnisch a Gen alone in 35 sec Sounds fair right? I acely never fehlt the need for korrupt more in my Matches than now....
Gens go so fast that survivors can literally fuck around, break totems and open chests and they can still win no problem, as killer not moving for a whole minute at the start of the match means at least 2 gens pop by the time you find a survivor, i've had multiple games where a gen pops in less than 30 seconds while i'm moving across the map and still survivors were mad as hell in chat because i tunneled one out of the game, because by the time i hooked someone once and then they got unhooked, 2 gens were gone and a third one was at 70%, of course im gonna slug the unhooker and chase the rescued survivor, i need everyone to stop repairing gens right now or the match is finished
@@LappyAwoothat's Cap but ok
@@shenelljohnson74 withe the right Setup from the surv Side and a good Spawn (next to gens) thats accely possible i'm a killermain and the sec i decide to Run a funbild in my Main (Bubba) 3 Gens are cocked bevor the First down the only Thing they have to do is preedrop every pallet to win AS Killer you can't do shit about IT resolting in all Gens done bye the time the Last pallet is droped:/
@@shenelljohnson74entitled survivor😢
Survivors be like: slugging is so unfair! It makes my anti-carry build useless! I was just spawming lound noise notifications at this safe loop on the edge of the map when the killer got me, and now he is not carrying me to a hook so I can free myself, so unfair.
Literally what i get in pm from boil over users 💀
@@SadStinkyevery time I use boil over and see a hook in front of me, I kid you not, I say “please be blind, please be blind, PLEASE, NOOOOOOOOOO, dammit.”
I just keep downing them in their corner until they bleed out. "You can't hook me!" ok I wont have fun taking a nap
No one said that
People aren’t saying it’s unfair. They’re saying it’s not fun
Finally, you're the first person who plays mostly survivor that actually understands the issues of this game and the butterfly effect this cause on the gameplay experience of those who play mostly killer
I play mostly killer for almost 7 years now and I never had a problem you know why? Because I don't treat games like a job I treat them as games meant to be fun if you are not having fun playing killer it's your fault not the survivors you can choose how you play or just meme around every now and then not every match has to be try hard mode
@@Dwightlockerhumper you don't have to play a game like it's your job to still not have fun 💀 the fun of dbd and most multiplayer games relies on both sides, so the way people play quite literally determines how fun a match can/will be. Losing is inevitable, but people, of course, like to win more than they lose, so when one side of players go OUT OF THEIR WAY to "play" with the other side, the game just becomes unfun. The last sentence is what the video is about lmfao, where less toxicity on both sides (in this case survivor) will decrease the need to try hard to win
@@Dwightlockerhumperpeople play dbd because they want a fun slasher game where both the slasher and survivors are both real people. When you put the balance out of whack and give the survivors the edge with buffed perks and proceed to nerf killers you inherently breed the need to play unfair. The survivors are taking away our ability to enjoy the game, why can’t we return the favour, at least that starts being fun again.
@Deadman7600. The survivors hardly have more powerful plays like 70% of the matches the killer comes out as the winner with 3 or more kills so how is it unfair for killers? Yeah maybe 1 or 2 match's out of a 10 hour play session but most match's you are winning statically it's not really unbalanced especially nowadays the only thing unbalanced is swfs and that about it. When I play killer I win almost every match and I play fairly as crap unless the survivors play unfair but that's like 1 match every other day most of the time survivors just mess around and lose the game for the whole team
@bringbackthedarkness Yeah but it's just not true there is more toxicity on the killer side because killers nowadays get butthurt and think they have to win every match like I told the other guy killers win rate is almost 70% so how are the survivors going out of thier way? And yeah, swfs are unbalanced as hell, but you won't get that many swfs and solo que is basically giving the killer the win survivors are stupid most match's so if you're not having fun it's probably because you are destroying 3 of the survivors while the 1 good survivor is looping you and your getting mad because you can't catch the one person
Yea new to the game and killer main. Getting my first bully squad was...a thing.
Whats worse is every single map. 8 games has been on the same out door map. Idk the name survivors go down in the open. Or away from hooks. Its insane
Is IT a Sandy big Open map withe many filler palats and a big Main bilding?
@@Just_a_Cat76the swfs love sending the killer there for some reason. It’s annoying and ugly
@@JustaJunkie438 yesss have you ever run for some reson the oni Windows perk ? I did for a fun Bild there Up to 5 or 6 pallets right next to ech other + terribl hitbixes making some Killers unabel to yous there Power
@@Just_a_Cat76 yeah they took the game and made it outside, except I prefer the game cause at least I can break all the loops and it doesn’t have a shack, eerie just has seemingly infinite pallets and windows to top it off
@@JustaJunkie438 yeah but the Game has over 70 pallets so i prever mac Millan or even cold Wind i Main bubba and the tomsen House can realy be on your Side If you know what your doing
I wish there were more perks like Grim Embrace or Pain Res. Not necessarily the gen regression/blocking aspects, but the idea that a perk can incentivize you to go for OTHER survivors instead of tunneling.
I feel it's such a healthy design for perks.
Yes, a killer can still benefit from such a perk even while camping or whatever, sure.
However, these sorts of perks DO still favor a playstyle of alternating survivors rather than tunneling, which I feel is really good for both the enjoyment of survivors and killers.
Friends till the End is another perk design I like for all the same reasons.
They should bring back old BBQ. Old BBQ and Chilli gave you double blood points if you hooked all survivors. I used to use it all the time and considered getting the 4 hooks a win with a real reward, so the games were more fun for me and for the survivors, since I could vary the other perks and wasn't super focused on just killing everyone. Then they got rid of the bonus BP. The remaining 4-hook perks aren't that exciting, and have no benefit beyond maybe giving me a chance to win this game, so I still need to be sweaty and try and exterminate the entire team.
We had perks like this. Such as BBQ and Chilli. But BHVR decided to nerf it. They also nerfed pain res. A lot…
So they seem to don’t want us to play said perks and just bring 4 aura nurse or permanent slug blight
Friends til the End is a cool perk but it is flawed.
1. If the obsession is using Distortion or just hides in a locker it invalidates the info the perk is supposed to give and often Distortion will have built another token by the time the killer hooks someone again if they chase someone at full health. Meaning some killers are just incentivised to continue tunnelling the one player they know just got hooked to continue applying pressure and hopefully burn through more Distortion token on the obsession.
2. If you hook the obsession sometimes it just keeps cycling back to a survivor who has already been hooked. I've had games as killer where I use FTTE to hopefully go to different survivors but there's always a 1/3 chance it just immediatelg goes back onto the player I already chased earlier, meaning the same 2 survivors keep getting revealed by it.
I think this could be mitigated if FTTE prioritised making players who have been hooked less to become the next obsession so that it avoids the issue of just going back onto the same player over and over while the other survivors manage to not become the obsession.
Distortion in general also needs to be looked at because it affects so many perks for being just 1 perk choice on survivor side and actively denying too much information from killers is detrimental to survivor team play. Yes, sometimes being able to stealth is nice, but people playing super immersed to a point of selfish self-preservation all match and not interacting with the killer just makes the experience worse for the remaining survivors always being chased instead.
@@sparkyanimations213BBQ & Chilli was being used for the bloodpoint gain rather than the aura read. The actual in game effect hasn't changed, it's still a solid aura read perk it's just people are no longer using it to get bonus BP anymore.
When survivors play like it's a tournament, it's perfectly fine but when Killer start playing like it's a tournament, then it's an issue.
i think if the majority of the 'survivor mains that never play killer' actually started playing killer, then maybe they wouldnt act so shitty. you wouldnt be so quick to dunk on them after a hard match if you know what it feels like
@@noahclark8076 That's the thing, most of them secretly know how bad it is to play killer. That's why they don't.
imagine a survivor seeing how hard it is to hit pinhead chain for the first time lmao
@@jeremymontel6010 I feel for Lich players personally. His spells feel pretty floaty to me.
@@Seoul_Soldier
Killer is as easy as it's ever been, self report some more
Honestly, the tunneling & slugging spree _started_ way back in 7.5.0 when BHVR thought it would be a good idea to put a hard-limit on gen-regression, effectively killing every slowdown perks that didn't give good value per activation (like Pop and Pain Res, both of which recently got even further nerfed, Pop into near-uselessness) and making the game incredibly more stressful for weaker/M1 Killers that simply don't have the mobility and/or lethality to deal with efficient Survivors. That change basically made no difference to the powerhouses (Billy, Blight, Nurse, Spirit etc.) but was a _serious_ blow to Killers like Trapper, Nemesis, Pig (poor her), Doctor, Demo and others.
When Pop & Pain Res, the last two viable choices, got nerfed, it cemented tunneling/slugging & camping as the go-to strategy for most Killers, creating the boring and annoying state we are currently in.
It started a bit ago I agree but you'd still get most matches that weren't slugging and tunnelling the moment the match starts. Nerfing pop pain Res was the final straw for alot of people playing killer (myself included) since there is no other way to gain pressure when you want to play killers who can't have super fast chase times back to back.
slugging is pretty fun, try playing 10 games of only slugging, it's so chaotic all the time. so many mistakes
I'm a nurse main for the reason of being gen rushed every game as any other killer but I see why the kick limit was added as I play a little bit of survivor I think the issue all just boils down to 3 gens as always but instead of trying to deal with that they nerf all gen regression 😊
@@jacobgeorge-xm9bq The system itself isn't worthless, but it should only kick-in when there's 2 gens left.
Hot take: you’re playing against toxic uses-meta-strats killers because you’re a toxic uses-meta-perks survivor.
Survivor main who complain 247 and never play killer really think they are the gods of ballence not like they would abuse broken stuff the second its released and that annoys me
People who make this comments are more annoying
cringe template can you like change it? "24/7 survivor main complain bohoo" cmon.. this has been used for years already
Most survivor mains are mentally ill
@@sebestein09Maybe it’ll change if it stops being true.🤞
I’m a survivor main and I agree. The ones who bitch the loudest maybe play killer once a month or never. And they always act like they have this deep understanding of the game
As a killer main tunneling is a useful strategy, so is slugging, and proxying hooked survivors to secure a few kills. However if the survivor mains want this kind of gameplay to stop, the devs need to pull they're heads out they're asses and stop nerfing gen regression perks, as well as others that make the matches last longer. Furthermore 4 man swfs with the same build to bully/troll killers deserve to get slugged, because dbd has gone from a horror game to a repetitive 1v4 where it's the killers fault no matter what the outcome. Toxicity will breed more if the devs keep holding the survivors hands through it all, mind you not all survivor mains are like this, but good majority will ruin your day if they get pissy after one loss.
as a survivor main I agree with that too many of us are toxic, I've always tried to run off meta builds and not be toxic.
I'm still often told I gen rushed killers even without any gen perks or toolboxs and I also don't want the games to be over too quick but if the killer isn't on me and non of my teammates are in need of heals or have any hexs we need to clease or a killer power we need to play around. what else am I supposed to do? I am genuinely confused.
the only other thing I can think to do is wait around a chase for a sabo or flashy save but that's also considered toxic, and kinda the same lvl of boring as holding m1 on a gen. I just don't find hiding from the killer super fun, I perfer running killers as it's the main reason I play survivor. /gen
If gen regression perks stay strong as they were, then killers are just going to continue using them while also tunneling slugging and so on. Keeping them as is solves nothing.
@@doompunk64 I'm not saying they weren't powerful, however lots of killers who depended on more than 2 gen defense perks were always gonna stall the game if survivors had no map memorization. This spike in slugging has been a result in the devs not paying attention to players who KNOW what they are talking about to make trials less of a pain in the ass, and more fun. But instead listen to the whiney ass blow bunny morons that complain about gen defense perks being too strong. As a result of the devs being half assed here we are, a slug fest where survivors are gonna complain to make unbreakable base-kit and killer players being left with no other alternative than to play more aggressive to fucking win.
@@doompunk64 You have never played killer before. Tunneling and slugging are usually because
A: The survivor was toxic
B: Adept Achievement
C: Gen rushed and need to get a few kills.
@@Ninjaknife11733you have never played killer before, tunneling happens when there isnt a good amount of gens completed and someone gets unhooked in a decent proximity to you, it is advantageous to let them get 1-2 gens popped, tunnel and get the second stage, and maybe get the other player who unhooked injured or downed, and maintain 3 gen while pressuring the 4th gen, not because a survivor was toxic, even if they were it's stupid to tunnel, toxic survivors pre throw pallets with windows, it is nice to get many pallets out the way, but outright tunneling till their death will make you lose the game, and being gen rushed has barely anything to do with it, it's circumstance, gen rushed, or no gens complete, if it is easier, and more efficient, a tunnel will happen. Idk man it's just crazy you said slugging happens cuz a survivor was toxic, like you got tbagged at one pallet so you slugged everyone? Tell me you suck at/don't play killer
People need to understand tgat slugging is viable when its not all four down, even three down is smart. You donr throw the game to get the hook letting everyone get up.
you also dont pick up when you know someone is flash saving
people go against a flash light squad then are shocked when they arent able to get any hooks, because instead of slugging they keep picking up the downs. Then they cry bully squad. I really feel like people just are not playing properly
@@FemboyKaiSaku Slugging is actually not a fun playstyle to everyone and the objective of the game for the killer is hooking survivors. Flashlight squads are unhealthy for the game in the way that they ruin the experiences of new killers trying to do what the game tells them to while experienced killers will slug and ruin the experience of new survivors to play around them. It's a lose-lose scenario.
@@Lovyxia how is slugging a bully squad and getting multiple downs not fun? I always find it fun going against those squads because you have to switch up your playstyle and get multiple downs, idc if its not fun for the survivors lol. When i play survivor if im going for flash saves i expect the killer to slug, thats how you counter it
Your point that it makes things more difficult for noobs, yeah of course it does. Because this game is not noob friendly. What about looping? a core mechanic of the game that you need to know to be able to survive, but the game doesn't tell you anything about it. So if survivors dont really know how to loop, low mmr killers vs low mmr survivors, usually the killer has a higher advantage.
plus in low MMR you aren't going to get bully squads like this often. Yea it happens but thats just how online games are. Its the devs fault for not explaining how to play
8:20 This made me think... Why does the UI not show each survivor's hook states to killer? What advantage would it give to them, slightly less counting?
So the killer can easily know who to tunnel easier that's the reason why that doesn't show
@@soloyapper769But if a killer wants to tunnel, he'll know who his target is regardless. You get unhooked, they're already on you.
@@botbhvr2319 yeah I know that but I was just saying the reason why there's no hook count on survivors instead of the cycle counter thing really
I've been playing for about 3.5 years, this video is pretty much on point. It's not killers all getting together and deciding to play "sweaty", it's just what the meta is right now.
Almost every gen regression perk is the weakest they have ever been, and there is now entity blocking preventing playing around 3-gens. Gen speed perks and items still give a massive benefit with little to no extra effort required by survivors. DS is bugged and stuns some killers for nearly 6 seconds and has not been killswitched. Perks like Adrenaline (which is currently the most popular it's ever been) and Hope actively punish killers who try to spread pressure and go for late-game plays instead of tunneling. And, like the video said, there are a bunch of perks like Deliverance or OTR or Reassurance that benefit survivors when they get hooked, so it's no surprise some people opt to slug instead. Additionally, the anti-facecamp timer and basekit BT make rescues essentially free unless it's end game or survivors refuse to heal.
These are the gameplay changes a lot of people wanted, and now that they're actually in the game and killers have to play differently to counter them, people are still blaming others and making excuses for why they lose. It's a classic example of "be careful what you wish for."
a way i help myself as killer when they three gen themselves is by using surge
I think you have to also look at how meta killers affect the survivor meta, both metas build each other, and the survivor meta has more limits, because if you make a alternative build there's a not minor chance you're gonna get a killer or worst a perk that can be used by any killer that counter said build, for example any build that require a moment of stealth will get countered by countless info perks, powers and add ons, and that happen for other builds, healing builds being countered by tunneling, plague, and legion, overcome based builds being counter by instadowns, hit and run, and sniper builds.
I hate to be that guy, but...
It's true if you make a full build around the idea of a certain way of playing, it can get full countered. A big however comes from when you have to remember it is 1vs4 and the chances of finding that specific combo to make a build completely inurt keeps getting slimmer and slimmer, where as killer mains have a much higher chance at running into these builds because there are more players to deal with. That's why when I encountered the meta get yourself off the shoulder of the killer and pick themselves up build, I switched to Oni with Agitation and Iron grasp to kick it in the balls for next time. I'd rather not, but it was necessary to secure any kills.
This summarized the current balance state of the game better than anything else I've ever seen imo. Something that further worries me is the completely insane buff Babysitter is about to get which will make it *another* extremely powerful "anti-tunneling" perk that's sole purpose is to run straight at the killer with because you know you're invincible.
All of the nerfs and changes over the last year or so have made it extremely difficult if not nearly impossible to play weak killers at max MMR-- the only way to make up for the lack of formerly decent perks on already bad killers is unfortunately to play sweaty and that makes me feel like an ass so I don't do it and instead I've just dropped a tonnn of killers I used to really like because they're too weak now. Nemesis used to be my #1 killer and I absolutely never use him now because 3 hits is wayyy too slow in modern DBD world. I use to love Ghostface as well and unfortunately an M1 killer without any chase ability is completely worthless at max MMR so I just can't play him.
Because of these changes and extremely strong perks on the survivor side too I'm absolutely seeing more killers play sweaty from the beginning of the match because it's the only way they can keep up if we sweat. If the killer is nice and the survivors are sweating the killer will lose and 90% of the time I see multiple teammates teabagging at the gates just to rub it in. So as much as it sucks to be tunneled at the beginning of the game I'm starting to be less angry and more just sad because I know the killer would likely have a miserable experience if they didn't tunnel me :/
Baffles me when you hear "Uuumm, actually I've played Killer and it's super easy I 4k every game" when in reality they have played maybe 20 games against the lowest possible MMR
This
Except killer is stupidly easy atm lol just run 4 slowdowns on S or A tier killers and you can turn your brain off
@@julianrosado1592 Having to rely on meta perks and S tiers isnt an argument for why a role is "easy", it literally proves that you need to play the best to even have a chance of winning against competent people, because how dare killers have variety and not get rewarded as much.
@@julianrosado1592 That's great if you're a meta sweatlord with no personality; but for those of us who want to enjoy our favorite B-through-D tier Killers and use fun, interesting perk builds, it becomes insanely tedious once you start facing experienced Survivors and/or sweaty meta perk Survivors.
That's like saying "Elden Ring is easy, just use Moonveil". Like, yes thank you, I know where the Win Button is, but I'm not playing the game for the sole purpose of seeing the victory screen.
@@julianrosado1592 blud Its deeper than that
From my understanding it’s more of a game balance issue and baggage issue. Game balance in the sense that since killers got their recent slowdowns nerfed (these perks being what felt like mandatory perks at the higher MMRs) killers now feel more inclined to build pressure in other forms like tunneling camping and slugging. Then comes the baggage. Let’s be real, no one wants to play nice after getting sent to Badham 3 games in a row by the sweaty 4 man BNP SWFs that t-bag at the exit gates and cal u slurs in the chat. A lot of players take that baggage into the next game onto what could possibly be a nice and innocent team of survivors. I’m not defending anyone, I understand why both sides sweat and why both sides feel miserable playing the side they play. Personally, I just don’t care anymore. I’m not incentivized to sweat when I play both sides and 2k hours later I don’t feel like I have to prove to anyone that I’m good at the game, I’m gonna use DBD for what video games are meant to be, that being entertainment. Sorry for the yap, have a great day
How dare you apologize for yapping about a good opinion. Take that back!
Just spend a day letting survivors 4-man out. They get to be happy (whether you care about that part is optional) and you get to lower your MMR. Win-Win.
@@ThedreadrogueYT I'm going to do a experiment by playing 20 games tomorrow. Where I will play without tunneling, slugging, and trying my best to not kill survivors. Also not look like I'm a friendly killer, and see how many games I will be riduculed by survivors at the exit gates.
yeah yeah, shut your yap. your understanding is flawed cuz youre no longer invested in the meta. the meta is where the problems lie and what causes players particular behaviors.
@@asakfs2791 First two weeks I started dbd I only watched timer till the last second every game, I was trying to learn basics and they taught me well. 👍🏻
I just feel good when something bad happens to my enemies 😁 and survivors making up arbitrary rules about "good" killers is so cringe 😂 I think the only people falling for that bs are those who get gaslighted by 4 survivors, anyone with dignity doesnt care about people who hate him
Remember when borrowed time also gave endurance to the person that unhooked the survivor on the hook. Fun times. Having to hit the survivor going for the unhook 3 times was something.
well, that's just false. OG borrowed time gave the unhooker and unhooked survivor the endurance effect ONLY if the unhooker was in the terror radius, and once activated, the perk deactivated for the rest of the trial. + old mending didn't exist, after 40 seconds the survivor would go down no matter what if it didn't get healed by someone or by themself. + the screen turned black and White.
@@DanoCDA You are correct. I might not have fully thought things through on the exact way it worked and how I worded it. But the idea was still there to get that survivor out. It was powerful and really something to deal with for killers of that time. Maybe not OG nurse perhaps. 40 seconds was still quite a bit of time as well. But a good team could make some real work out of that perk in those times.
Fun times...
People play like it's a tournament bc of mmr. Before mmr, it was never this sweaty. I miss those days 😢
you mean sbmm, yeah its like saying here is a fun party game, but we also want to have a pie from thoose dota folks. The fun cas guy and the 4k hour sweatlord will not have a pleasent talk.
@@nsreturn1365 sbmm and mmr are the same thing
I've seen a lot of people say this but I think that it would've happened sooner or later regardless of it.
The more familiar people get with a game the more they can create strategies to do things more effectively. Just look at what happened to the Texas Chainsaw game.
At that point it's not about being sweaty it's about being human. We love finding ways to make our tasks easier / more effective.
it was way sweatier and way glitchier lol
with broken perks and broken powers
So dumb how heavy the devs cater to sweaty 4-man squads.
Remember they dont play there own game.. Flashlight spam remember?
@@OneWhoKnowsThings6009 I wish I could be that bad at my job
They kinda have to. The majority of players are survivor players
@@ivansvalker7025 but if you cater to one side, the other dies, and one can't exist without the other
@Pikochabi the game is catered for the survivors. It's so obvious. They nerf everything for the killer and buff everything for survivor, as explained in the video. The game was made for survivors by survivors basically. Killer used to be fun. Now you gotta play like your mom's life is on the line
Seriously addicted to your channel! Keep 'em coming!
Remember, is one person agaist 16 perks.
One person agaist 4 items.
One person agaist 20+ pallets.
We have to start thinking about what is really "unfair".
I just recently found out the thinking mistake they make!
Its math!
The people that think this Game is Killer biased think: "5 Players in a Game, it is 20% per Player".
That is wrong!
This Game is asymetrical!
1 Game is 100%
50% Killer
50% Survivor
but we have 4 Survivors!
So each Surv has a worth of 12,5%!
THAT is the right match, that should be base of ALL Balance changes of this Game!
it is 50% vs 4 x 12.5% not 5 x 20%!
Every survivor plays like it's a tournament -> Every killer plays like it's a tournament -> Every survivor plays like it's a tournament...
i play like a decent human being and often even let the last survivor go if they are a good sport. until i get tbagged and taunted. Then i slug, tunnel and any other means necessary to make sure that they absolutely do not escape. I think thats fair
Games aren’t fun when it’s all about winning. I play fighting games and a lot of the fun is found in just playing around. A lot of people in the FGC are just hanging out and don’t really care if they win (not until money is on the line).
Ive played both sides for years gotten all the achievements and done it all. Id say for me it boils down to juat how people define a win and fun. For me just having fun with my build the players my challenge or friends. You cant 4 man outs or killa every match so go dont in the mind set that you need to get them. Going in with a relaxed mind set mixing up perks away from the meta makes it alot more fun and does throw people on both sides off and a shocking amount of people do repect the perk change up. A no mither build and end game build are my favorites.
What's your go-to endgame build?
Oni main here: I typically like to give the last survivor hatch or let them escape if theyve opened exit gate because giving newer survivors hope for escaping makes the games fun when there is a sense of fair play.
Unfortunately I've had many games lately, where SWF groups run a full sabo/boil over build and run map offerings for Hawkins or Eyrie.
The moment i see multiple map offerings, that's when fair play goes out the window and it's sweat time
oh my god, i literally mentioned on stream two says ago that diminishing returns should be implemented as a way to fix certain aspects of the game. I love that you mentioned that. You understand that it'd be a great idea
Maybe my MMR is low or something because I don’t encounter “tournament level” killers. Games feel normal to me. Been playing the game for over 4 years and play killer 60% of the time and survivor 40%. I got every achievement so I got a good understanding of every killer’s power, maps, and survivor perks. I still get goofy killers and I still have fun times with meme builds as killer.
There are so many fun builds out there. Like illusion doctor with insidious. There is allot of fun to be had in this game. But. When you are a bit competitive or wish to compete. Do something against what seem to be stronger survivors. You slowly might start nudging to run the more powerful and ''meta'' perks along the way. It does try to worm itself in there. After all for many killer can be frustrating.
I feel like the game is way more chill than the people who play it for a career say.
@@johntrains1317 In general. It is.
During the anniversary event i got it a lot, killers tunnelling the first person they hooked, slugging for 4ks etc. It got bad enough that i stopped bringing screech cobblers all together
I try and make sure I play hard but fair, since that's how I have fun. Usually it's a 2 or 1 out, sometimes I get unlucky or they pull off a good play and they manage a 4 out. I personally think this is how a match should be like.
However, for some ungodly reason, a lot of manipulative people with ego issues chose the almost powerless guy who runs from the big scary guy over being the big scary guy.
They complained and complained, and eventually they got an inch, and they ran a mile.
I hate how survivor sided this game is forced to be because of the players being unable to "suck it up" like how they force killers to do so many god damned times every match.
EX:
To efficiently and effectively tank a pallet stun, one of many to evade the killer, we need to sacrifice 2 perk slots to run two very specific perks that do not serve any other purpose.
In order to tank a hit, survivors have: mettle of man, we're gonna live forever, basekit borrowed time, dead hard, off the record. ONE perk, out of 16 possible perks they can have in 1 game to tank a hit in any situation (some have a prerequisite that makes them balanced), and one of them is fucking basekit.
This is, apparently, perfectly balanced. And I'd say, for like three of those examples, yeah, it is. But the fact that it's that little is not good.
Babysitter buff is coming, now killers cannot tunnel even if they wanted to, 30s haste only to catch upto surv and then one hit and surv will run away due to endurance I assume after babysitter buff a lot of killers will slug, so counter to this is running we'll live forever to pickup the slugged survivors as well
Small opinion here. I think that taking a protection hit should count as a conspicuous action and should cancel out DS. But bring the stun time back to 5s. I don’t think you should be able to use it offensively.
I defended the killer from being ridiculized and harassed in post game lobby and I ended up harassing back the other survivor after he kept provoking and tbagging doing nothing the whole game. Result? I got banned for 1 week for harassment. Nice job BHVR
It's so refreshing to see a true 50/50 main give an insight as to why killers play the way they do since survivor mains that have never touched killer are the very loud majority
I’m still waiting for them to make Call of brine usable again. It’s such a shame they nerfed a perfectly balanced perk and crushed it all because of bad killer design. I just want my gen regression back 😭
Yea it's just an information perk now. There are some niche use cases like as Nemi the notification will attract zombies or knight it works well since you can send his guard on the gens. But in general it's useless on most killers which hurts me alot because when I first started playing the game it was my gen regression perks of choice since I didn't have many killers.
It's kind of hard not to be forced to sweat when most survivors play like they'll die irl
Leaving my input as a 1k hour Billy main who plays very competitively (slugging, using techs, tunneling, etc.) I don’t personally do it because I need an ego fix and must dominate other people in a video game. I do it mainly because I’ve found the skill expression in dead by daylight is some of the most fun I’ve ever experienced out of a game. Not only that but winning feels especially fun it feels almost cinematic especially when there’s one gen left or even none. Having everything In your hands to fix your own problems leads to a lot of proud (and disappointing) moments, when you get a 4K YOU specifically feel that sense of accomplishment because you don’t have teammates who could possibly carry you. It feels very rewarding and exciting. Now despite playing very competitively. I do my very best to be polite, never BM, and usually give the last survivor hatch if I’m not on a bp goal or a rift mission tells me otherwise. I have always said that in this game the other side isn’t responsible for your own enjoyment. Blame the game not the player you know? Accepting that is a good step into learning how to properly enjoy dbd, I personally don’t even realize when I’m going up against bully squads anymore unless they make it really obvious with like T bagging and stuff. I usually just assume it’s really good coordination from a swf. If you start treating dbd like a regular video game and don’t acknowledge that on the other side is real people (to an extent of course) you will learn to enjoy the game a lot more and that advice applies for both killer and survivor players.
Maybe cuz survivor do gens in 5 minutes plus all the gen regression nerfs so that's why killers playing the way they do they don't have a choice if they wanna win
I think the per killer mmr is a problem, I’m not that good at the game and constantly get placed against insane high hour players who are on a new killer, and of course we get stomped because most of killer isn’t just their power. It ruins the survivor experience a lot. I also agree that gens are too fast but slowdown and regression just feels like shit, trying to do a gen while the killers 4 slowdown perks make it keep exploding and blocking itself is so boring and annoying. Lose lose situation
It's actually the low ceiling on MMR being an issue. Your killer MMR has a maximum range of how much lower it can be when you play killers you never or rarely played to make sure you don't count as a new player when in reality you're an experienced killer trying out an new one. The problem is that the MMR system has 3 categories of players and once you're in the good player bracket, which is extremely easy to get into, you can get anyone from decent players to the sweatiest tryhards on the planet in order to have the queue times as absurdly low as they are.
With gens I think the game just needs more objectives for survivors to do for variety. Spending a lot of time on gens is boring to survivors but when they go too fast there's barely a game being played as well.
I think thats just how it feels being bad at survivor my man.
Although I still like watching the game these problemmatic balance changes are why I stopped playing this game (yes I was a killer main but I played survivor often with friends). It saddens me that the game still suffers from the same core problems. Players of now a days you have my respect for hanging in there. Forgot to say I stopped 2 years ago.
You have my respect for choosing the Mirror‘s Edge Soundtrack as background music choice!
For me the biggest problem on DBD are the SWF, this game was not created around 4 survivors communicating throughout the game, they are also the most toxic of all because in my case when I start to beat them as Killer they simply let themselves win or disconnect, screwing the game to the other survivor/s who are playing alone. I would like people who play in SWF to have some penalty like repairing slower or having their auras revealed to the killer from time to time to combat them being on a Discord call.
The thing is, most swfs are not good. You go against four man's or three man's all the time because they're casual players tbat are etiehr not great or don't care if they win. The sweaty swfs that abuse meta perks and bully killers are a minority, which really woudlnt be hindered by such implementations.
Actually behavior said they were going to keep voice chat at launch of the game but decided to take it out to avoid the CoD lobby experience... But for some reason there's a type in game chat xD
At least for me that take doesnt make any sense bc im playing with my friends who have less hours than i do. I have significantly higher winrate in soloq than when im playing with them because guess what there are actually casual players who just wanna have fun in this game
@archbishopofthecrusades9579 dude I literally got an anti hook swf. They were literally asking for slugging. They brought offerings to make the hook separately and perks and perks to recover faster on the ground
@@armasapeethen why didnt you just slug them?
I do 2 things :
1.Slug everyone to death and the last one I hook to make some bp.
2.I camp from far away with Hillbily and the chainsaw revved at 90% constantly.
WHY?
Because when I tried to play normal, survivors would constantly bully me by destroying hooks, camping me while I pick survivors up to instantly flashlight me. Also what do you do when you find the recently rescued survivor and there is nobody in the area? Oh sure, you can't put them down cause they have "anti tunneling protection".
No, I refuse to give survivors a good experience. I will abuse the game and make this the worst unpleasant experience for them.
Nah, is not necesary to do that all the time, im a Billy main and i only do that on extreme cases (sorry if my english is bad)
That's kinda the problem with dbd. A survivor tbags a killer. The killer becomes toxic to the next survivors. The next survivors are mad and they become toxic to the next killer. It's just a cycle at this point.
This is exactly how I feel whenever I load into a lobby as killer and see two or more toolboxes, if I don't have slowdown, I get my ass handed to me. Then because I'm stressed, I can't lay correctly because three gens pop before I can even get my first down. And then I have people telling me in my stream to "not be upset" to which I always respond with, as you said in your video, "So you'd rather go against the Comp Nurse or Blight with Quad slow-down every match? Because that is what will happen if "weaker" killers keep getting shadow nerfed through perks being changed to "hamper" the highteir killers.
I agree with these points! Mainly, the meta will always exist and players will find it but how cool would it be for every perk to be balanced, playable, enjoyable for everyone. Playing killer can be a headache as you’re racing against time and juggling 4 people, even one flash light save or rescue can drastically change the pace/outcome of the game. For me luckily I enjoy a challenge/ I’m competitive so it’s fun
as someone who plays primarily survivor, thank you for this video, it was very well put-together and i appreciated your insight! i have noticed that when i do try and play killer that unless i run mostly gen regression i don't stand a chance, and i often end up against survivor bully squads. it's so unfortunate that people can't just enjoy the game without feeling frustrated by various mechanics. survivors don't like being slugged but killers also don't like being unable to hook - i've been on both sides and neither is fun!
Honestly this is why I just headon on Survivor. The game has gotten way to sweaty. Both sides are making it worse. I try to get 100 headons a night. I set a goal and do everything to get the headons. I know im not making it out the game and with this pressure gone its all about working together to get more headons. Most killers I go up against respect and like what we are doing.
What is this garbage u talking about
@@wittman9075 hes just insane :D
I end up relying on opression a lot because it hits multiple gens in one go in addition to another gen slow down. My main is Legion and I spend a lot of time forcing the survivors to reset with healers and adons to force this with a quicker bleed out. They need to rebalance so it's more balance for everyone. I keep asking for more fixes on thier bugs verses perk rebalances over and over. I want them to fix things like better map generations, lag, and hit validation. I don't like to play sweaty on either side and I find it really discouraging that they are forcing both sides to play more and more agressively which cycles back to perk changes over and over. I don't run the meta because I want to have fun, I have had to take a break from the game myself for this reason because the last several patches have made it really lopsided one way or another for both sides. At this point you get punished if you don't run the meta as either killer or survivor and that isn't fair for anyone.
I haven't tried oppression much since it's buff. I did try it once though and it did actually end up winning me the match, my issue with it is if you're playing vs really good survivors who are great at hitting skill checks it doesn't get you too much value. I have heard it works exceptionally well with surveillance though
I had to pause to say, that i agree with you about the reason to use gen cooldown perks. I started dbd just before the sadako ptb, and stopped for the most part at the xeno release. So not super long, and i also was limited in how much I could play. I played mostly survivor but kept trying killer to try to get the practice in to make the experience less frustrating and having 1 or 2 gen regression perks was literally the only reason I managed to get a hook before two-three gens were done, because chases were my weak point.
do you think basekit corrupt intervention would be a good idea? i think it would be a good start since the hardest time to get pressure as a killer is when the game starts and you have to find people, its kinda sad when you get an insanely quick first chase and down and 3 gens still pop anyways, it really breaks your mental for the rest of the match aswell
That’s the issue. Bhvr keeps giving us bandaid fixes like making perks basekit. They just need to redesign the whole generator system. They need to pull an operation health like Rainbow Six.
That would partially solve it but the core mechanic of the game is flawed. Gen regression perks are a bandaid to that. Any good killer going against a good team will lose 3 gens from 1 chase. This is where gen regression perks come in to mitigate that and prevent this. The core issue of the game is that when the game begins the killer will naturally be in the worst position as they have absolutely no pressure on the survivors whereas spawning in as a survivor u can spawn right next to a gen which immediately puts pressure onto the killer(this doesn’t factor in things to mitigate this like Corrupt on killer or a strong toolbox on the survivor side)
@@senatorarmstrong1233they said theyre trying something new soon
@@MrChoobbcan i get a source to that so i can read up on it? Or watch it. Whatever
The snowball potential every killer has mid match is insane. I just lose a game where only 3 people were on 1 and we had 1 gen left but because of star struck and friends till the end wraith was able to come back and kill us all because if we didn’t heal and rescue our team we would be 1 tap. He didn’t slug or camp. He just did what killer are supposed to and kept downing and hooking. We had no chance to do gens. And even if we did we still had to open gates and possibly rescue who was on hook. And the worst part is we couldn’t even tell each other a plan to get out of it because there is no communication. So sure gens getting done is bad but all it takes is 1 death, or fast pasted ping ponging between injured and downed survivors to make a comeback as killer. 1 gen slowdown is manageable but 2 or 3 makes it impossible for survivors to win. Literally impossible. Because it’s not like the perks hinder certain aspects of a killers power, nurse can still blink and teleport blight can still run vecna can still use 4 different spells. On top of the gen slowdown.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I would like to add that one of the biggest problems for killer players is the wild variance of the strength level of the killer characters. Characters like Trapper, need perks like Corrupt Intervention to allow time to set up, then they also need several slowdown/ regression perks to keep from getting washed-out. Then in the same game if you use a killer like Blight or Nurse, with that same load out, you will most likely steam roll the survivors.
I was shocked when they nerfed regression perks and even more baffled by buffing sabotage strategies. And now with how Brand New Part add-ons work, plus Sable's basement invocation (can't remember the name), and the new Tomb Raider perks that allows you to take charges off of gens, they'll be finishing the gens faster than ever with no counter play because it removes charges to finish the gen
I’m a survivor main and totally agree with you… you can’t understand how to play survivor EFFECTIVELY if you don’t understand how the killers work.
As a Killer main, I play Survivor due to experiencing the other side of the tracks... that and get into their mindset so I know what to expect. As for Slugging, it is a strategy. Same goes for Survs that go Sabo/Boil Over. I'll slug a little to apply pressure, and use that time to push Gens or Hook saves.
Here's my question about that What will happen if soloQ don't doesn't have those tools then what?
@shenelljohnson74 If a solo que player doesn't have those tools? Hard to tell if someone is the odd man out in a SWF, but I play normal with them...if a light slug to secure another down is warranted then go for it!
The one thing I've always pointed out, is no matter how hard BHVR nerf gen regression perks, it will never fix the issue with them, people can and will still use gen regression in mass or play in ways that are less fun.
It does nothing but make the problem worse.
Killers right now have less options than ever, and the most builds that are 'viable' still have glaring issues with them, people will always choose the path of least resistence, which is either playing 4 gen stall tunnelling right out the gate, or slugging everyone to death.
Now that's not to say gen speeds are the issue, its quite the opposite. I think gens as they are right now is perfectly fine, and this is coming from a killer main that adamantly refuses to run gen stall only ever bringing ONE on a killer I am less comfortable with or need something very specific, wether it be a tome challenge or a specific daily killer ritual I'm really bad at doing.
I will personally still die on this hill, the problem with gen speeds are the perks that allow gens to go faster, thats right, I'm ignoring toolboxes for the most part and gen speeds without items, as its mostly subjective and I'm not in enough of a position to argue whether they are too strong or too weak, since I mostly play without items, though I still think the commodious has no rights being better than the mechanics + purple toolbox.
Toolboxes ONLY become an issue when combined with specific perks, which are becoming more common place than ever.
For example.
Deja Vu is personally a prime example, it was a rushed out the door addressment to 3 genning before the regression limit was ever put in place, in my personal opinion, its overstayed its welcome, it served its purpose but its been left as is.
Stake out seems to get a lot of vitriol especially when combined with perks like hyperfocus, but for me I think its fine, if it were to be tweaked I think bumping up the time to gain a token to 25 seconds would be a decent middle ground without removing what it does.
Hyperfocus on its own much like stake out, is fine, because its very hard to maintain those maximum stacks due to how fast and laggy skillchecks can get with it, but when combined with stakeout and toolboxes, its way too damn fast.
Resilience, Now coming from someone who used to be a vault build enjoyer, I still think resilience is fine-ish, I don't think it should be rewarding you with gen speed for staying injured, because in my experience, its caused me to lose more games than escaping them from my teammates over-relying on resilience to get gens done.
I could go on with a lot more perks to name, but I'm not gonna make this comment any longer than it needs to be, I just think that perks that offer increased gen speeds either need to be toned down without completely butchering them and making them unviable, or BHVR needs to start reworking and tweaking more survivor perks so survivors feel less of a need to bring builds to counter act 4 gen stall andy's + slug boyo's before they can get the ball rolling.
Resilience is the only one I wouldn't change let alone nerf substantially, since its one of the few where its effect is minimal but has a massive risk on top of it, but some perks have way too much of a benefit to outweigh its risk compared other options.
Either give gen progression perks a penalty for their usage or tone them down, that's how I see it really, whilst at it buffing up or reworking niche, unusable or down right bad survivor perks that never see any application.
When people talk about gen speeds, generally they are in fact talking about the myriad perks and toolbox options, which are the actual problem. It happens all too often that I can't even end a chase before a gen pops, or even two, because they just fly by way too fast. Bardic Inspiration is definitely not helping matters either, as with just a little luck it can essentially turn good skill checks into great skill checks, and great skill checks into greater skill checks. I'm still trying to find out whether it stacks with Stake Out, but it knocks a lot of time off of gens regardless. And then there's BNP and Weaving Spiders, which *permanently* knock a chunk off the gens that killers have no way of regressing...
Maybe I can get on board with hyperfocus and stakeout together being an issue but deja vu only saves 5 seconds of a 90 second generator and resilience the perk that saves more only saves 8 but requires you to put yourself in a worse position for using its benefit so when people complain about those perks I really do not understand the issue there. Maybe the stacking of the 2 saving 13 seconds could be problematic but the more they stack these perks the less they can have to actually use in chase. Again hyperfocus stack out is problematic but the other ones I feel is a stretch.
@@AJRobin-qi5vu If they're focusing on gens then they obviously aren't going for chases. They also usually stack these perks with strong toolboxes and addons to speed it up even further, and will sometimes double team a gen to blast it out before you've got one down. "But then they haven't pressured other gens" you might say, however, the killer can't regress already finished gens.
@@Duothimir I get that I just think its weird that people think deja vu and resilience is the problem when resilience requires you to play risky to get the benefit (especially with sloppy in the mix) and dejavu is literally only 5 seconds off a gen. Also double teaming a gen gives slowdown even more effect so if the survs are doing that they are probably not playing efficiently. I really wish we were able to see more of the chucky video with that gen that was at 80 but I would think if they were that far on the gen in 1 minute of gameplay 2 of the survs we likely on that gen meaning 3 gens wouldn't pop fast which is the worst case scenario.
yuh fellow sadako enjoyer
Been playing blight lately cause he's fun. Been using mad grit iron grasp agitation and 4th perk changes. Been having so much fun with him. One of my most fun matches happened last night against 3 flashlights and a couple had flashbang too. Was playing my heart out and got the 4k. I'm relatively new and have less than 200hrs on killer and have less than 150hrs on survivor. blight is p3 and artist is p6.bubba is p3 the rest are p1. They were a really good team and got all the gens done but I played slightly better and found hatch and got the last person. They played well and looped well I thought I was gonna get 4 outted but they were too altruistic and my survivor backpack build carried literally. No regression, slowdown, lightborn or Franklin's needed
Thank you so much for understanding
I couldn't agree more with this random recommended video, but I can't overlook the fact that you play chess merchant. I hate that killer so much I'd rather get slugged every game than to meet her once every 20 games. Skull merchant in my lobby = insta dc
Bro chess SM doesn’t exist no more
Bro cares more about what someone did/played then the actual discussion at hand trying to put things into prospective of what player experience and why.
That’s super lame, just play the game. SM isn’t nearly as bad as she used to be and her counter play is easy.
@@combineecho5831stop the Cap especially on solo Q please stop
@@shenelljohnson74 go cry about it to behavior Like y’all always do
As someone who plays both roles, its insane how many arbitrary rules the killer has to follow. Don't tunnel, Don't leave people on the floor for more than 5 seconds, don't stand too close to someone that's been hooked, don't even LOOK at someone who's been hooked, don't run meta, don't play top tier killers, its insane how many rules survivors have in place for killers to not be considered toxic killers while survivors have almost none of them.
For context, I play a solo Killer main but my friends and I would play a three man fun survivor group. We never bagged, never broke hooks, nothing. We just had fun not even going for gens sometimes.
Most survivors want to feel the epic social clout of playing meta builds and pulling off "sick clips" like their favorite streamer without the investment of putting in time nor effort to get that good. 80% of Survivor complaints against Killers boil down to "play unoptimally so that I can have my fun playing overly optimally so I can feel good about how hard I pwned you".
Obviously, Killers are players too. Their job isnt to spend hours of their time being a Survivor's babysitter and making sure they get to pive out their power fantasy. Goodwilled Killers existed in mass but Survivors never thought about them. They just assumed all Killers were obligated to act to their liking and that any Killer who pursued their own end was automatically stinky and sweaty.
The goodwill has been lost, cry harder
all the killer nerfs and survivor buff make killer harder and harder
Dbd is time management, you have to force survivors to stop so you can do things
I have 5000 hrs in the game and i can tell you good survivors dont teabag unless the killer was being a creature or skull merchant, that aside, the issue youre having is with the playerbase basically being braindead:
Survs get killer that tryhards, get stomped, survs get killer thats just playing for fun, escape, have an ego trip without looking at hook count
Killer gets bad survivors and stomps, "haha bro im so good"
Killer gets good survs "its not me whos dogshit its the map/perks/swf/items/ping that needs le balance i played perfectly"
If you get teabagged alot as killer, it could be for 2 reasons.
1: You get shit on by average/bad survivors that unironically teabag
2: You play like a creature doing anything else in your power to win except actually chasing.
If youre the survivor that tbags alot its for these reasons:
1:You get always stomped when odds of the game are equal or against you.
2:When you are winning you get ego, throw the game and get stomped anyway
3:You get bullied by the killers that could deserve the tbagging
4:You finally escape and take it out on the killer who played chill/does not care/is new to the game
I’m a hillybilly main and I use plaything, bamboozle, bbq, and floods of rage for perks and for addons I’ll use the following 4 depending on how I’m feeling about the lobby apex muffler, iridescent engravings, spiked boots, and lopro. And I’ve have won many games and I’d say I have pretty high mmr but I don’t ever go out of my way to tunnel and camp before end game. And you can say I’m versing bots but I’m prestige 43 on Billy and I’ve only have lost maybe 5 to 10 games getting there. And what I’d consider loss is anything below 6 hooks.
its actually crazy how survivor sided the game is XD
Not only killers but when I play a killer is basically a swf 3 out of 5 matches. I get 2 gen dones at the same time
This video helped me be a better Sadako main. Thank you for posting this video
It’s so weird because gens feel like they take forever as a survivor but as a killer they just fly by so fast. Hard to balance it.
so while i dislike the whole "you are just a main" argument, your reasoning dosnt really proof anything? mostly cause Prestiges can be obtained by playing either role and just dumping bp into the other
if killers are gonna keep running slowdown, imma keep running speedup 🙏
Been going for all the adept achievements on the killers I have and I have constantly got ttv p100 players all coming in with bnp event medkits with syringe and healing gel and it’s just make it a nightmare even on killers like hag and nemesis who have gen regression perks
I'm a former killer, now only survivor main. I understand when it comes to you need to slug a bit to win, I don't care about that. My problem is when they slug just to mess with the survivor, in my occasion, me. I was in a match against a spirit, she kills everyone else, we have like 2 gens left and she downs me, proceeds to try to hook me but fails(I had no anti-hook perks) and when she downs me again, she slugs me for my full bleed out time to end, even when I went RIGHT UNDER A HOOK. So yes, let slugging stay when it's needed, but when it comes to occasions like that is when we definately need something for slugging.
If I get all survivors down I almost always bleed them out, and if I don't I usually regret it. As you say, you get the random jumps off hooks, Deliverance, and all the tricks and anti-hook perks. So often in the end screen you see they had Flip Flop, Power Struggle, Boil Over. Also if the team does a lot of sabo and blinding, I'll start bleeding people out, or if they run Boilover and deliberately go down in high places.
Genrushing is too meta, and in return tunneling is more favored. We need some sort of fix like making generators take longer to finish.
We need to just change gens at this point. Even the dead asyms have better objectives
Doing gens is the survivors objective. What are they suppose to do if not doing gens or being chased? You cant nerf gen speed due to solo q, which is a nightmare.
This game IS fair when the survivors are all on comms, soloQ is doomed, if the killer has a brain, they should 3/4k every single game, even Trapper AAAAND when the killer tunnels, slugs and camps with an A or S tier killer on a slightly killer sided map. That's the closest to a fair scenario, imo. SWF vs. efficient killer is surprisingly balanced. To every single survivor out there who berates killers for their playstyle: Get a 50 4k winstreak by 12 hooking on any killer and then you can start talking.
My main killer right now is Singularity and i run a pure slugging snowball build as getting 8% haste in overclock and 13% haste in overclock and after a hit whilst you can maintain the highest chase % among every killer in the game. Plus the killers kit is just generally very good at snowballing. Plus it bypasses nearly all of the meta perks in the game.
Listen man I hear you.
Survivors complain a lot.
But there are killers in the game who guarentee you a win.....
There is NO survivor perk or character, that can guarantee you a win. Im not saying certain killer need to be nerfed, some do but a rework would be much better.
I would agree if it weren’t for evidence that killers will still tunnel and proxy camp despite perks from killer or survivor. Best example was the supposed to be fun Lights Out Event. No perks, no items with sweaty addons. Just spooky game play. What did killers do? They tunneled, slugged, and camped.
At a certain point, you can only blame killer behavior not on perks or items, but on the mechanic that tunneling and proxy camping rewards the killer until their MMR puts them into a category of survivors that counter those methods better. Then they whine that the game is survivor sided, despite maps getting smaller with worse pallets, despite healing and endurance nerfs, despite killers getting free hits at windows 75% of the time. Heck, killer mains even started whining the anniversary event was survivor sided.
Yeah like he said they need to design the game in a way that rewards the killer for going for multiple targets, something like killer instinct on the furthest 2 survivors for every fresh hook on a survivor. Keep the perks that can punish the killers for those play-styles adds a good risk reward system.
At a certain point when the survivors are good enough you can’t blame the killer for playing to win when they have limited information and going on one wild goose chase that leads to nothing can lose them the game. Instead of just camping like the intelligent albeit boring play would be.
@@JustaJunkie438 sadly that doesn’t change the behavior. If fresh hooks are incentivized, then so is proxy camping, back to hook behavior. But instead of tunneling, you simply count on either a hook trade or the hooked survivor goes second stage. It’s a win-win for killers. And I’m not blaming killers for doing this…their objective is to kill. But even this tactic will be thwarted by stronger survivors as the killer MMR climbs. I think the mentality that hurts on killer side is that they are expected to win every match. So they break out the towels to do that and beat up on weak survivors thinking every match is a SWF. It doesn’t help the health of the game.
Probably the best solution is to just remove DC penalties as a means to correct actions. If killers want to play comp sweat, hard tunnel at 5gens, have fun playing bots. Slugging everyone and not hooking, watch the bots bleed out. Same for killer. If they don’t want to play with bully flashlight squads that won’t let them hook, allow the killer to go next with no penalty. Some killers like the challenge of getting the 4k on those teams, but if you were just trying to have a casual play as killer, DC and queue up next.
Found the survivor main
@@armasapee yep…we exist. But I do play killer, and have all of them at P3 at least. I’m just not sweaty and stressed out when I do play as killer. If survivors all get out, then so be it, as long as I had fun chases and cool interactions. There are times when if I’m tired of being tunneled out by killers, I switch to killer and just get 8 hooks and let them all out. I still get crazy amounts of blood points too, unlike when I get hard tunneled and end with 6K points as survivor.
The anti three-gen mechanic should be adjusted so you can't repeatedly use strong gen stall on the same hook, and then gen stall perks should be countered appropriately. A gen kicked 6 times with PainRes > Pop Goes > Surge > PainRes > Pop Goes > Surge is way different than a gen kicked 6 times for Nowhere to Hide value, but they're both treated the same.
Good video, definitely feel as though the pendulum has swung towards survivors, playing killer is just rough. As a pig main (I’m not high mmr), my chase times are just super high and I’m just never able to get a full win before the last gen is either available or finished. Then again, I don’t tunnel and I try my best to not slug
Yesterday I was playing with two friends, having fun and running meme builds (I was literally running Chemical Trap, Champion of Light, Windows and that one Haddie perk that gives blindness), we were losing every match but atleast we were having fun. That was until a Doctor came in, with Knock Out, the deer perk that lets you see downed survivors, ruin and the perk that makes your terror radius bigger. He didn't hook ANYONE, he started downing us, camping the downed person until they were rescued or bled to death and we were so BORED and totally fed up cause we couldn't do anything, not even loop cause he was just camping us so we couldn't get picked up nor bring him to the other side of the map. We gave up and had to wait the whole 4 minutes so we bled out, and the guy had the guts to say "gg"? Bruh. Also, just to clarify, me and my friends probably have pretty low MMR (we don't play to escape) and we still get matched with pretty try hard killers that run meta perks and just make some games miserable by camping the first person hooked at 5 gens, or stop a chase with someone injured just to come back to hook and tunnel the sh*t out of the unhooked person... And we refuse to run the same exact anti tunnel/anti camp perks just because killers decide to be an a*hole and so we can't use the perks we want to have fun with :(
I'm just saying that I know survivors can sometimes make matches that are impossible to win, but atleast you are still playing the game as a killer, looping and hooking, etc. When killers play the slugging, camping or tunneling game there's no game to be played cause it's just SO BORING I literally grab my phone and start playing games on it until the match ends... We ended up so exhausted from that game that we stopped playing for that day...
A huge issue is the difference of playstyle between low-mid mmr and high mmr. They are COMPLETELY different games and balancing for both is impossible, many changes that serve high MMR players can be annoying and make the game frustrating for low-mid MMR players and vice versa. What BHVR needs to do is add a separate ranked Playlist with its own high MMR oriented balancing and keep casual balancing for the other playlists.
Also, huge respect for the Rebecca P100! Nothing makes me happier than seeing people play her, maybe one day they'll give her a new skin😢
The main issue with slowdowns and gen speeds is how big of a difference there is between the top killers and the bottom killers
I don't mind a killer sweating...what I don't like is that there has been an increase in asshole killers who run : knockout/infectious/third seal/deerstalker, and put on a map offering for a small map and specifically slugged everyone from the very get go. That has happened to me a few times and it's actually really frustrating. There should be a faster bleed out option in that specific case because sitting on the ground for the entire timer and occasionally getting picked up and dropped really, really sucked. Not to mention the "humping" BMing that also happened in two out of the five matches that these people ran these builds and it just put such a sour taste in my mouth that I went to killer and wanted all the snoot boops as pig (which I got a few in a few matches) to cheer me up. It was just...saddening. it shouldn't even be a possibility.
The thing is as a killer I can't try out some new build , cuz if I don't put at least 1 gen perk in it , I will loose, because I get more relatively good /swet survivor than bad ones
I play as a killer main and occasional survivor but I don't know why I get so many hate messages for my hex build on blight
Hex: Undying
Hex: Plaything
Hex: Undying
Hex: pentimento (the aritist hex probably misspelled it)
Btw is that the mirrors edge main menu ost im hearing briefly during your explanation? Great video as well
You said undying twice
Do you wanna know why we play like a tournament, because survivors have gotten so strong that every game win or lose is a complete stress fest, killers have to be locked in 99.9% of the time to even have a half a chance at getting just one kill. You can’t even experiment with perks anymore, if you’re not playing specific perks, you just straight up do not win, you just straight up get bullied by every single squad. I’ve seen literal games where when survivors get to 2 Gens left, they just leave the rest of the gens to one or two people and everyone else goes and bullies the killer. That’s the #1 reason I quit Dead By Daylight…I don’t want to be constantly stressed while playing Videogames!!!!
Secondary Point…slugging isn’t even that reliable since every Overbeck has Unbreakable, and any beamer(Flashlight Main) worth their salt has For The People, there is literally a million ways for survivors to escape a disadvantage state in this game.
I remember when slugging the whole team as first a problem way way back it's good to see they still have a issue and will continue to only put bandaid after bandaid on the symptom instead of addressing the real issues.
Simple. Make a base survivor perk unattached to any survivor so that its available to everyone that becomes the meta. Forgotten Victim. If you are put into the dying state and recover 50% of your pick-up bar, this perk activates. If the killer downs another survivor while you are in the dying state, your recovery/healing speed increases by 100% and are able to pick yourself up and suffer the "Deep Wound" effect.
Simple as that. Would it be a meta perk? Yes. Does it counter slug plays? Absolutely. Combine it with Tenacity? I guess killers would have to decide what's important, hooking the current survivor, or going after another one.
I don't understand why behavior haven't realized why gen regression perks are so popular. They're basically necessary.
Great video. Really sums up the current state of the game without being overly biased to one side. Its obviously a killer sided video, but you did a good job of explaining the gameplay changes that cause killers to play this way.
1:30 I mean I play Ghosty as my main, but also primarily play Clown, Legion, Myers (without Tombstone), Dredge and Singularity (as of more recent, but before his buff). I also maintain a >75% winrate, while aiming for 8 hooks before the first kill. In most cases, Killer complaints are unironic skill diffs.
3:00 This is a self-defeating argument. Either MMR works, and winning all the time raises MMR enough to fight good Survivors, or MMR doesn't work, in which case 'bad Survivors' is merely the default. Also MMR is on a Killer basis, but has a loose connection to all other Killers. It will drag up your MMR on other Killers, and doesn't merely sit at the default.
4:30 I agree Pop was overnerfed, but gen slowdown isn't necessary. You can win through attrition, or through brute force. An example brute force build is the classic Enduring/Spirit Fury. If the Killer is pressuring the Survivors enough, they don't have anyone on gens, making gen slowdown not needed. Usually gen regression is good to make a match last long enough to learn the specific interactions on the map and your Killer's power, but once a player has mastered their Killer, chases should be quick enough to pressure people off gens.
6:50 Treating the match like you need to win at 5 gens makes sense why people would feel the need to run regression. That would mean they fundamentally don't understand the game. Think of hook states as the Survivor's healthbar, and gens as the Killer's healthbar. The fight for both sides is to reduce your opponents healthbar before they do the same to yours. Killer doesn't get weaker with more gens completed, they chase at the same speed, kick things at the same speed, so 1hp is the same as 100hp, as long you have any HP then you are still in the fight. Also duoing on gens is less efficient than soloing. They had to either A: duo that gen, or B: have a juicy toolbox. Utilizing that information helps you throughout the match, as you now know if nobody had a toolbox in the pre-game lobby, that 2 people have to be lingering around the gen. At least 1 person ran off with Scratch Marks, so now there could be a Distortion rat hiding against Nowhere to Hide, hovering for the anti-regression and/or the save.
7:35 Anti-tunnel perks are ultra easy to counter: chase one of the 3 remaining players in the match. They can't progress the match without losing their anti-tunnel protections. Nancy could have been picked up on the spot safely (since she wasn't under a pallet), or slug the Carlos ~30s or until after Nancy is hooked. Choosing to pick up Carlos is the worst decision here, and I could understand why more Killers would think 'I'm just not tunneling hard enough' or 'I need more regression' if they would continuously make the worst decision and fail to learn from it.
9:00 'Uncounterable sabotages' as the clip shows the hook never got sabo'd and Claudette is free to be hooked now instead of Lara. Pre-sabo play there were 3 healthy Survs and 1 downed, post-sabo play there are 2 healthy Survs, 1 injured, and 1 downed. That sounds like a net positive with a free injury to me.
9:30 'Lara Craft's perk make gen speeds worse'... the perk that saves 4s when you waste 10s, not even counting travel times? That's less effective than spamming Potential Energy on a gen (which sets you at ~2/3rds speed).
10:05 The sweatlord Killers are sweating regardless of the balance of the game. Normal Killers are going to be able to play as chill and casual as they have been. These nerfs reduce the maximum sweat energy capable by Killers.
10:45 The solutions are all spot on, encourage the good/desirable, punish the bad/undesirable.
11:00 Gen progression has never been (net) buffed in the history of the game, it has only been nerfed. Gens used to be super low (65s then 70s), and BNPs 100%'d gens. Then gens were lengthened to 80s, and BNPs nerfed to 15/20/25% gen progression (if you hit 0/1/2 skillchecks). Then gens were lengthened to 90s, and BNPs nerfed to 0/11% gen progression (if you hit 0/1 skillchecks). Adding a perk that gives 4s of gen time at the cost of 10s of chest searching is a gen slowdown perk, since you could have just spent 10s progressing the gen by 10s instead (not even mentioning travel time). I was winning consistently back with 80s gens (both under MMR and Rank based matchmaking), and still am winning consistently with 90s gens, that's why gen speed complaints fall flat on me.
Last few killer games i played as a chill killer i have had the same thing. "Killer needs to get good" "lol killer sucks doesnt tunnel i guess" etc. Yeah i can see why killers play the way they do.
I used to play mostly killer, but I just haven't felt much like it lately, so I've been playing a lot more survivor than I ever used to (I do still play killer, just not as much). I never really used gen regression before, so I don't find the issue to be gen regression for me. My challenge to enjoy killer as much as I used to stems from two issues: double-binds and being scrutinized. By double-binds, I'm referring to scenarios in which there is nothing I can do to create a somewhat favorable scenario (such as the recently fixed combination of Buckle Up + For the People). You briefly mentioned this with the Off the Record being used to body-block, and then Decisive Strike being used to prevent a subsequent tunnel (which the survivor asked for). I'm not one of those 'killer is the power role' types. I don't think I have to be able to control every single scenario. But it really sucks whenever I find myself facing a scenario and just realizing "yeah, I just have to let this happen". I don't mind if it's a team effort that creates it or a skillful play (such as body-blocking to prevent a hook, or going for a flashlight save), because that is the result of survivors using their strength (teamwork) to outplay the killer's strength (power). But when one person is able to achieve it on their own without any real effort (such as the new sabotage speeds making sabotaging when healthy extremely easy), I just find it to be frustrating. As survivor, I don't find it to be nearly as bad, because the killer is stronger than me as a survivor on my own. I can prevent such situations from festering into something worse by rallying good teamwork (which is why solo survivor is difficult; it's hard to rally good teamwork when everyone has different objectives and strategies which we can't communicate to each other). But as killer, when a double-bind occurs, you just have to sigh and roll along with it. Additionally, I find killer to be unfun because I'm constantly worrying about the scrutiny of the survivors. I generally play nice; I don't tunnel (even when I'm losing), I don't run gen regression (as mentioned before, but if I do, I use a passive perk like Surge), I don't camp in endgame, I'll let survivors get away with many bad mistakes because I'd like to keep the game fun, and even then I still get complaints about how I've played in the match. I played a match as speed limiter Bubba (I do not usually play Bubba), got sent to Haddonfield (this was a while ago, so it was old OLD Haddonfield), did not camp, tunnel, or do anything of the sort, but someone did DC early on, so I played fairly nice. I got a 3k where the last person got hatch, and that person still complained about how I played in end-game chat (with a nice flowery message about a hopeful highway accident in my future :3). I find it so hard to want to enjoy the game when even when I attempt to play as nicely as possible (even at the cost of my win-rate; I don't really care about winning anymore), I still get people getting mad at me. It feels like every aspect of my gameplay is being scrutinized at every moment. I have to do everything I can to un-camp survivors, to un-tunnel survivors, to un-slug survivors, and people will still gloat at the exit gates after beating me just trying to learn Singularity while playing as nicely as possible. To conclude, the main reason I don't really enjoy killer is because it feels like the other side is extremely ungracious to me, no matter how gracious I am to them (HUGE NOTE: not all survivors are assholes. Personally, I'd say 20% at most are real assholes. But when it happens once it makes me want to play in a way I don't want to play against someone who had nothing to do with them). I do not blame killers in the least for playing sweaty. I play as un-sweaty as possible, and I find it extremely difficult to want to keep doing so, but I don't want to play sweaty at all, so I just don't play. Whenever I play survivor, and I see a killer playing sweaty, I don't get mad at them, but the environment that told them the only way to really enjoy the game is to play as such. Killers aren't running the strongest perks and add-ons because they're broken, overpowered, and provide free wins. Killers are running them because every single aspect of their environment tells them to do so. Nerfing strong tools won't stop people from playing sweaty, it will just encourage them to play sweaty with other tools, or find ways to play sweaty without tools. I don't not play sweaty out of some moral high-ground, holier-than-thou attitude. I just don't enjoy playing sweaty in just about any game that I play (which is really saying something, because I mostly play singleplayer games). If you ever see anyone playing sweaty, I encourage you not to think of them as some toxic player with no empathy for the other side, but another individual who likely tried to play casually, and found it was just so incredibly frustrating to do so, so made the only change they could to enjoy the game.
The problem is that there is still the starbreeze (or may i say the payday 2) influence in the game. While you are learning you are trying different styles, different things, but in the end of the line you are just going to use super overpowered things, because noone can stop you and that's the only way to actually win. You can't win on a Deathwish difficulty with no perks/no armor, you have to be prepared (and the deathwish master here is the actual person, not the ai spawning bulldozers). PLUS there's no unranked mod in the game (even dbd mobile has separated game mods), but bhvr doesn't want to separate queues for some reason (that's not actually true already, because there was the darkness mod along with separated queue masquarade event; and if 2vs8 is here to stay as they promised, then that's a step in the right direction).