- personally, Gil can say whatever he wants. It’s an opinion. The only he has? KD looks more talented. He has the skillset to be better BUT Larry LEGEND all day. That man is a walking double double with ice in his veins. Dr J, the nicest man on the court choked Larry. Kareem? Has called Larry the best player he ever played against. MJ? Was in awe of Larry when Larry won the 3pt contest with his warmups on. KD had the potential to be better, and is a Top 20 player. But Bird is Top 10 (maybe Top 15 with guys like Jokic and Curry coming up in the last decade).
Well, the 80s have four players in the top ten all time in bird, magic, kareem and jordan plus hakeem, moses, in the top 15 and barkley, dr j, malone in top 25 then mchale, ewing top 35..
Gil is the stereotypical troubled hooper who made it out of the projects due to basketball - he was very very good at that. but people forget, had basketball not arrived, gil would either be dead or a janitor (tops) somewhere. he's a non educated kid from the block, who suddenly became RICH RICH at age 20. the problem about his bad takes is that the media actually listens.
@@tjwrangler326 TRUTH. I hate boston, but gilbert is being ignorant af. Him later trashing the media- dude you are literally part of the media narrative while saying that. Also Agent 0 has 0 playoff wins after the first round so he would know 0 about the battles it takes to win a ship, much less how hard it is to get there.
He was actually drafted with 2 future hofers he was in a better situation kd was drafted to an expansion team that moved cities again in his second year I think kd played with Westbrook and a harden that wasnt HARDEN if u get what I mean
We'd probably give more respect to 90's talent if guys like Barkley, Malone, Payton and Drexler won more championships. That said, I do agree the 80's was the best.
I think a big part of it is if they played against the current Era they can justify their failures by lifting up Curry or Lebron. By saying their competitive environment was harder elevates themselves in the Pantheon of greats by proxy
@@russell9411 There was better defense in the 80s vs now. Teams are scoring 116 ppg now and it keeps going up every season. For the 1980s teams averaged 109 ppg.
Larry Legend GOAT. Mr. 4th quarter. Bird was the greatest all around player to ever play. KD doesn't have the fake game or the Will Bird had. Bird had all the intangibles that don't show up in the Stat Book except the Win Stat.
KD will never pass Larry Bird. Bird went to 5 finals, won 3, won 3 straight MVP's, and finished in the top 2 nine yrs in a row. KD did not do all the things on the court that Bird did. No one should pay any attention to what Gil says. He was one of the dumbest players when he played, and things have not changed much
Without the Athleticism. But Bird was a better passer. His fakes were a thing of beauty. Bird could effect the game without the ball. Jordan had to have the ball to effect the game. The one thing they both had was Will and Competitive Nature that only a few have had since.
Spurs win in 2014 was so gratifying...Heat barely won a year earlier...same final in 2014 and to say it was an absolute destruction by an aging Spurs core would be an understatement... That right there made Bron toast...he lost not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, but 6 of'em total, and excuses just keep piling up
1. Bird was just as good a shooter as Durant and brought in more rebounds and assists. He was a more complete player by far. 2. Bird has more championships and did so legitimately, with no player on his team that was arguably as good as him. 3. Bird wasn't a toxic personality. Bird is arguably a top 5 player. I personally wonder if he's super underrated these days, and possibly the 2nd best. I could easily make an argument for that. Durant isn't even top 10. Is he even better than Karl Malone? Again, I could make a good argument for that.
I cannot for the life of me understand how people go on about discussing "dominant teams" of old when KD's whole thing was stacking his team and switching when it didn't work out! It's almost as if a team becomes dominant by accepting the cards, pushing through white the cards you're delt and WORKING TOGETHER. If Boston was dominant and Bird got the MVP that means HE was a dominant player!
Why do people care what Gil says? Cus he’s loud? The guy played in the NBA so that means he knows what he’s saying? Guy had like 3-4 good years and never lead his team in a deep playoff run. Did he ever win a playoff series?
In 20 years people will remember KD as much as they remember Drexler now. Won a chip with Hakeem, and KD will be - won two by joining Steph. Not even top 25 for KD unless he wins a few more at the tail end of his career, while Bird is definitively top 10, perhaps 5, but that depends on criteria as his career was the shortest compared to other GOAT candidates. Still while it was short due to back injury, it was spectacular. KD has a long and sad career, full of failure except for the period when he joined a winning team + the hubris that he thought he could do it alone.
You are the best my mhen. Love from across the globe here right now in SEA. You speak the truth. I remember the days we all tried to emulate Bird, Iceman George Gervin and Dr J. Never emulating KD nor Bron. Kids here in basketball crazy Philippines Idolize Curry not any other. That says it. Curry and GOAT MJ, and other greats like Kobe, Bird, and Magic are INSPIRING.
Bird and Magic saved the NBA. The clowns in the media and kids on social media have no clue. Bird has more rings, and averagrd more assists, more rebounds, more steals, and was a better defender, especially because the NBA now plays these weak zone defenses with wide open shots, no hussle to get back on D, and no tight, full court, man to man defenses played anymore, except maybe when the game is close. If they rated defense, most modern NBA defenses would an F rating. Practically no one respects the shot anymore and it's sad. People walk in and shoot uncontested layups on a regular basis, when in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s, people would have been obliterated for even trying to come into the paint. The modern NBA is a combination of all of the worst parts of basketball: inflated stats, little to no defense, frequent rule violations, constant flopping, atrocious refereeing, blatant bias towards chosen players *cough* Lebron *cough* , constant lies and baseless opinions pushed in the media and on social media and falsely claimed to be factual, massive egos with few accolades, and zero respect for and knowledge of basketball history. It's honestly hard to even call the NBA basketball anymore.
Thank you for this video. The disrespect shown to Bird is sad. To discount the entire decade of the 80's because the league was full of "crack heads" = LOL. Bird led the league in defensive win shares 4 times and was 7 times in the top 5 in DWS. Bird in 1983 finished tied for 3rd place for the DPOY award. Bird was on 3 all defense teams (2nd team). Bird went to a 29 win team and was the main reason Boston won 61 games. Bird won ROY over Magic and was 4th in MVP. Then in the next 8 seasons ( before the heel surgeries and back issues) in the MVP was 2,2,2,1,1,1,3, and 2nd again. Durant has never had that dominant of a run. Look at Birds rebounding and passing. Bird is a more complete player.
I have Bird fourth all time behind MJ, LeBron, and Wilt. Bird is a better all around player than Magic and didn’t have a GOAT candidate teammate unlike Magic and Kareem
All i know about the 80s 90s 00s to now is the talent has always been there. From top to bottom. The only difference in the late 90s and early 00s is the talent was bogged down to a slower pace..
Larry is a better passer, rebounder, defender and arguably the same level scorer as KD. Larry was also a clear cut leader and took any challenge. I’m taking Larry over KD any day of the week
I would say beyond a shadow of a doubt that LARRY LEGEND is the better player. What I think gets really overlooked about Larry is the fact that he was an ALL WORLD playmaker, his court vision was next level. And, he was a phenomenal rebounder for a man who couldn't jump over a sheet of paper. And, I believe that if he played in this "LET ME BE THE THREE" era he would have the all time 3 point record and not Steph. Larry would feast in this era. That said, if KD had the teams that Larry had in his career he would have about 4 championships right now...MINIMUM. You saw what he did with the Warriors and those Larry Bird Boston teams were as dominant as the Warriors in their time...only rivaled by the Lakers. KD is great but the DIFFERENCE is that Bird was a LEADER and KD is a phenomenal #2, he needs someone to lead...BIRD WASN'T BUILT LIKE THAT...HE WAS THE LEADER. Skillwise both are phenomenal elite all time legendary players but Bird had that little EXTRA that separates the two. Carry On...
This is key in the longevity factor of the GOAT debate!!! KD can play 3 times longer than Bird & it simply does not matter. Bird is in my top 5. KD is not Top 10
You can’t say KD so better because Bird was playing 1980s rules and defenses were tougher. KD would get pushed around with that toothpick body against the 1980s big men. Cheers!
GIlbert proved on that podcast he ranks people just off who he liks more, and uses no actual thought process. Curry won before KD, after KD, AND came back 3-1 against KD in the finals...has more MVP's and double the rings. Gil's response is "the totality of work" LMAOOOO
Some ppl seem like hypocrites, talking about Larry Bird and his teams being dominant or being drafted with other 3 HOF’s. He didn’t join a 73-9 team that he lost to in the playoffs, when he was up 3-1 against them. That’s the difference. Bird was a competitor and it’s different with guys that actually stay loyal to a franchise for their whole career. It’s why people prop up Dirk’s chips over Kd’s. The bar is seriously being lowered nowadays and it’s really annoying how someone like Gil keeps pushing the bar lower lmao.
If u say bird had 4 hof to play with then this will make it worse....kd had 2 hof and mvps on his team in okc with harden and russ. And then he played with another mvp caliber player and future hof in irving and harden again. Now hes with another hof to be probably in booker. Gsw era speaks for itself. So no comment. Bird wins all time all day all week all the wayy
You know what's crazy, in an era where 60-bombs are dropping like it's 1945 Japan, guess how many 60 points games KD has? Zero, he has never scored 60 in a game, which is crazy to me.
I will never understand why people takes Gilbert Arenas seriously. I keep saying that unless you watched basketball in the 80's it makes no sense trying to engage with people who never saw Bird play because they just don't know so it's a lost cause. Bird made his teammates better and i will argue that he was by far the most feared clutch performer of his era and it's not even close. To the content creator of this channel i like and appreciate your content as it is always very well articulated and you always present facts to highlight your points, but i think you should refrain from responding to every piece of nonsense that presents itself as your brilliance only gives them relevance, great job as always though.
Gilbert's one to talk. He needs to call Bird up and _thank_ him for helping save the NBA back in the 80s. Without Bird, there would be no Bulls Dynasty, there would be no Lakers Resurgence in the 2000s. There certainly wouldn't be "King James" had the rest of these Me First, Team Never types that plague the NBA.
Notice how Gilbert zeroed in on the one Finals championship in which Bird didn’t get Finals MVP. Like nothing else mattered. You can’t say someone choked if they won the championship. That’s silly. What are the actual stories on drug use in the ‘80s for the NBA? Were there as many players on coke as there are players right now on PEDs? KD isn’t even the best player of his generation. So how can he be considered better than Bird? Cause you look at a piece of paper and his scoring averages are higher? Come on, man! KD never led any team to a chip. He’s not even an alpha. He’s 2nd-tier, at best. Bird was top-tier. End of discussion!
Kd won't play defense because he doesn't wanna look bad. Players carried guns in Birds day. You would barely know bird was playing untill it was over and he had 30/10/8, it was that smooth
Gilbert Arenas loves to talk about how he doesn't like talking away things from other players when it comes to judging them in categories. However, it's exactly what stat man does every single time in his arguments against players that weren't chosen by him. This is why Rashad McCants went off on him. This is why Kenyon Martin went off on him. Arenas' takes sometime rival even the great Kendrick Perkins. It's that bad.
Durant had Curry, Harden or Westbrook as teammates and needs to join a team which had already win before him and will win again after him. Bird's best teammate was McHale, an all star player and borderline top 20 player. Despite all of that, Bird has more MVP, nba titles,nba finals, same FMVP and far more courage and mental strengh. nba media needs to sell Durant because he was supposed to be James rival but ultimately, he's just a top 25 player all time at best and will surely not clim the ladder.
It doesn't even matter if Gil wants to use that team being dominant nonsene (which they were) because Gilbert Arenas was NEVER dominant. He talks about his career as if he was so great while simultaneously talking down on all the true All-time greats. Shannon Sharpe really lowered his platform by extending an opening to Arenas. That just fuels that YOU KNOW WHO agendas.
@@Will-o5o6e wym where lol, Bird was a better passer , better rebounder , made his teammates hall of famers, way more clutch moments. Theres no universe im taking prime kd over prime Bird. Come on.. only argument is scoring and Bird was a pass first player who could score whenever he felt like it.
Apologies to all you guys but monetization was messing up on the previous uploads. Thanks as always for watching. Appreciate all the support.
Np re watching for the second time now
I was confused for a second lol.
Thank you, brother.
You are welcome
Bird all the way 👍
Using Chuck's analogy, KD is a bus rider while Bird is a bus driver.
Bird had 5 hall of framers stop he ain’t carry shit
You out your damn mind if you're here saying Bird didn't carry shit. Don't know anything about the 80's Celtics with that blasphemy you just said.
Bird drove the league. The man was and is a legend
@@jahmairjones9411 He MADE HoFers. He was in a league that every team had at least one HoFer. What's KD done in 13 years? Larry did all his in 13.
@@jahmairjones9411 Quiet kid.. Don't embarass yourself anymore..
"The team was great."
KD literally joined a 73 win team.
😂😂😂
Gilbert should not be allowed to talk about basketball. He never led his team passed the second round.
Rigged Lebron era plus that gun situation set him back some years and got traded we'll never know
- personally, Gil can say whatever he wants. It’s an opinion.
The only he has? KD looks more talented. He has the skillset to be better BUT Larry LEGEND all day. That man is a walking double double with ice in his veins.
Dr J, the nicest man on the court choked Larry. Kareem? Has called Larry the best player he ever played against. MJ? Was in awe of Larry when Larry won the 3pt contest with his warmups on.
KD had the potential to be better, and is a Top 20 player. But Bird is Top 10 (maybe Top 15 with guys like Jokic and Curry coming up in the last decade).
Then that means you shouldn't be allowed to talk basketball
@@supatay1181 oh, and the gun situation is the league's problem now?
@@supatay1181 he DESERVES to be taken down a notch after doing that very stupid move, nobody to blame but himself
Use this as a "How many times RUclips is going to force Uncut Hoops to re-upload this video" button.
I got one more in me - Vince Carter
why?
80's probably had the best players of any decade ever for the NBA
Well, the 80s have four players in the top ten all time in bird, magic, kareem and jordan plus hakeem, moses, in the top 15 and barkley, dr j, malone in top 25 then mchale, ewing top 35..
the 80s were the prime of the nba
Hell no
The fundamentals were on average better than now
@@samecolourroxxyHell yes.
Larry was one of the reasons the NBA was saved.
KD was one of the reasons the NBA is dying.
Lebron not KD
That is why he said one of
@@supatay1181KD and Bron
Nah only Bron, KD isnt abusing PEDs like BRon is...@@devinisreal9356
Well said
Man. Gilbert Arenas is a bad-take machine. How can somebody be so ignorant after playing 10+ years in the league?!!
Gil is the stereotypical troubled hooper who made it out of the projects due to basketball - he was very very good at that.
but people forget, had basketball not arrived, gil would either be dead or a janitor (tops) somewhere.
he's a non educated kid from the block, who suddenly became RICH RICH at age 20.
the problem about his bad takes is that the media actually listens.
@@leonhardable dont you diss Brian Cardinal that bad. A Janitor is VERY important.
@@tjwrangler326 TRUTH. I hate boston, but gilbert is being ignorant af. Him later trashing the media- dude you are literally part of the media narrative while saying that. Also Agent 0 has 0 playoff wins after the first round so he would know 0 about the battles it takes to win a ship, much less how hard it is to get there.
“But the team was dominant”
Very good Gilbert, and what makes teams dominant? Great players do.
But they say LeBron teams are trash to prop him up. Make it make sense 😂
KD always want a trade but bird dedicated his life to the boston celtics "I dedicated myself to the boston celtics - larry bird
He was actually drafted with 2 future hofers he was in a better situation kd was drafted to an expansion team that moved cities again in his second year I think kd played with Westbrook and a harden that wasnt HARDEN if u get what I mean
I have said it before but 1980-1998 was the golden age of the NBA. And the 80s were the better of those years. Stacked
Everybody from the 80's was ageing except Bird and Magic most them players he named prime was 70's
We'd probably give more respect to 90's talent if guys like Barkley, Malone, Payton and Drexler won more championships.
That said, I do agree the 80's was the best.
A lot of new fans only know Barkley and Shaq from their show. Barkley didnt manage a ring and so they dismiss his skill.
@@John6-40 i totally agree about the 90s. It is what made me love basketball
1980-93 golden years of NBA. Imo
What up with people disrespecting the great of the past I don't get it
Because modern athletes are obsessed with being validated
Because they are hired by clutch sports to promote Lebron as the goat so they most discredit all Mj's competition.
This generation is crazy and always need likes followers and attention.
I think a big part of it is if they played against the current Era they can justify their failures by lifting up Curry or Lebron. By saying their competitive environment was harder elevates themselves in the Pantheon of greats by proxy
Gilbert Arenas really is godly at saying the dumbest things possible.
After 40 years , Bird is still The legend. Let that marinate.
Gil CHOKED ON THAT FREE THOW LINE LOL...guess he was looking for his fix after that game lol
KD is pissed, you had to put the video up 3 times 😂😂
All KD has done is be a scorer in the worst defensive Era in nba history.
The 80s defense was horrible
Ur embarrassing kd will b unstoppable in any era clown
@@russell9411
Sure it was you millenial non binary
@@russell9411 There was better defense in the 80s vs now. Teams are scoring 116 ppg now and it keeps going up every season. For the 1980s teams averaged 109 ppg.
@@russell9411 Say you are a toddler without saying you're a toddler
Larry Legend GOAT. Mr. 4th quarter. Bird was the greatest all around player to ever play. KD doesn't have the fake game or the Will Bird had. Bird had all the intangibles that don't show up in the Stat Book except the Win Stat.
Shannon was cookin right here.
KD will never pass Larry Bird. Bird went to 5 finals, won 3, won 3 straight MVP's, and finished in the top 2 nine yrs in a row. KD did not do all the things on the court that Bird did. No one should pay any attention to what Gil says. He was one of the dumbest players when he played, and things have not changed much
Larry was as cold as Jordan without the all-around skill level draw maybe
Without the Athleticism. But Bird was a better passer. His fakes were a thing of beauty. Bird could effect the game without the ball. Jordan had to have the ball to effect the game. The one thing they both had was Will and Competitive Nature that only a few have had since.
Spurs win in 2014 was so gratifying...Heat barely won a year earlier...same final in 2014 and to say it was an absolute destruction by an aging Spurs core would be an understatement...
That right there made Bron toast...he lost not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, but 6 of'em total, and excuses just keep piling up
1. Bird was just as good a shooter as Durant and brought in more rebounds and assists. He was a more complete player by far.
2. Bird has more championships and did so legitimately, with no player on his team that was arguably as good as him.
3. Bird wasn't a toxic personality.
Bird is arguably a top 5 player. I personally wonder if he's super underrated these days, and possibly the 2nd best.
I could easily make an argument for that.
Durant isn't even top 10. Is he even better than Karl Malone? Again, I could make a good argument for that.
Warriors: STRENGTH IN NUMBERS
Gilbert: "Bird had too many good teammates"
I cannot for the life of me understand how people go on about discussing "dominant teams" of old when KD's whole thing was stacking his team and switching when it didn't work out! It's almost as if a team becomes dominant by accepting the cards, pushing through white the cards you're delt and WORKING TOGETHER. If Boston was dominant and Bird got the MVP that means HE was a dominant player!
Why do people care what Gil says? Cus he’s loud? The guy played in the NBA so that means he knows what he’s saying? Guy had like 3-4 good years and never lead his team in a deep playoff run. Did he ever win a playoff series?
While birds team was dominant aint no player in the nba back then that would disrespect larry bird like that
KD’s leadership skills are a negative number. Bird is arguably the best ever there.
In 20 years people will remember KD as much as they remember Drexler now. Won a chip with Hakeem, and KD will be - won two by joining Steph.
Not even top 25 for KD unless he wins a few more at the tail end of his career, while Bird is definitively top 10, perhaps 5, but that depends on criteria as his career was the shortest compared to other GOAT candidates. Still while it was short due to back injury, it was spectacular.
KD has a long and sad career, full of failure except for the period when he joined a winning team + the hubris that he thought he could do it alone.
Gil just talks up his but without even thinking.
How can you call the 81 Finals a choke if they won the F-ing title? What a ridiculous thing to say...
You are the best my mhen. Love from across the globe here right now in SEA. You speak the truth. I remember the days we all tried to emulate Bird, Iceman George Gervin and Dr J. Never emulating KD nor Bron. Kids here in basketball crazy Philippines Idolize Curry not any other. That says it. Curry and GOAT MJ, and other greats like Kobe, Bird, and Magic are INSPIRING.
Bird and Magic saved the NBA. The clowns in the media and kids on social media have no clue. Bird has more rings, and averagrd more assists, more rebounds, more steals, and was a better defender, especially because the NBA now plays these weak zone defenses with wide open shots, no hussle to get back on D, and no tight, full court, man to man defenses played anymore, except maybe when the game is close.
If they rated defense, most modern NBA defenses would an F rating. Practically no one respects the shot anymore and it's sad. People walk in and shoot uncontested layups on a regular basis, when in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s, people would have been obliterated for even trying to come into the paint.
The modern NBA is a combination of all of the worst parts of basketball: inflated stats, little to no defense, frequent rule violations, constant flopping, atrocious refereeing, blatant bias towards chosen players *cough* Lebron *cough* , constant lies and baseless opinions pushed in the media and on social media and falsely claimed to be factual, massive egos with few accolades, and zero respect for and knowledge of basketball history.
It's honestly hard to even call the NBA basketball anymore.
The disrespect is appalling.
Thank you for this video. The disrespect shown to Bird is sad. To discount the entire decade of the 80's because the league was full of "crack heads" = LOL. Bird led the league in defensive win shares 4 times and was 7 times in the top 5 in DWS. Bird in 1983 finished tied for 3rd place for the DPOY award. Bird was on 3 all defense teams (2nd team). Bird went to a 29 win team and was the main reason Boston won 61 games. Bird won ROY over Magic and was 4th in MVP. Then in the next 8 seasons ( before the heel surgeries and back issues) in the MVP was 2,2,2,1,1,1,3, and 2nd again. Durant has never had that dominant of a run. Look at Birds rebounding and passing. Bird is a more complete player.
Gil has obviously never tussled with a crackhead. Lol.
Shannon's take on Curry against KD could also be use on MJ against LeFlop, yet somehow that flies over his head when he thinks about LeQuit.
You know you're a raxist right
Stephen Curry still hasn’t passed larry bird.
The Celtics were dominant but Bird was their captain and best player.
Thanks for the facts! Bird was the very definition of the concept of making your teammates better.
I have Bird fourth all time behind MJ, LeBron, and Wilt. Bird is a better all around player than Magic and didn’t have a GOAT candidate teammate unlike Magic and Kareem
I agree with Bird over Magic, but having two losers in your top 4 is crazy.
LeFraud!?!?!? lolololol
Lebrons legacy is like ZERO😂
Gil needs to lay of the crack dude has been saying some crazy ish lately jokic not even a star and KD better than larry bird lmao
Jokić, Bird...what is... (K. Perkins)
8:25 you are not seeing todays player throw a pass off the backboard that was Legendary ive never seen something like that
Larry Bird was still the best player in that 1981 finals series! Only casuals think otherwise
I’m getting sick of point comparisons between scoring 30 when teams scored 88 versus today scoring 40 when teams score 140.
All i know about the 80s 90s 00s to now is the talent has always been there. From top to bottom. The only difference in the late 90s and early 00s is the talent was bogged down to a slower pace..
Imagine Larry Bird joining Pistons just to win a chip, because he cannot beat them. 😅
Uncut keep up the good work and the dissection of the nonsense that keeps getting put out there.
Anytime something comes out of Arenas’ mouth, it’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
I need to know what the fuck is arenas smoking on these podcasts
man's had so many atrocious takes it almost looks like he's doing it on purpose
Larry is a better passer, rebounder, defender and arguably the same level scorer as KD. Larry was also a clear cut leader and took any challenge. I’m taking Larry over KD any day of the week
If Bird was black there would be no argument about him being the GOAT. MJ couldn’t guard him or beat him even dropping over 60 points on the Celts.
I would say beyond a shadow of a doubt that LARRY LEGEND is the better player. What I think gets really overlooked about Larry is the fact that he was an ALL WORLD playmaker, his court vision was next level. And, he was a phenomenal rebounder for a man who couldn't jump over a sheet of paper. And, I believe that if he played in this "LET ME BE THE THREE" era he would have the all time 3 point record and not Steph. Larry would feast in this era.
That said, if KD had the teams that Larry had in his career he would have about 4 championships right now...MINIMUM. You saw what he did with the Warriors and those Larry Bird Boston teams were as dominant as the Warriors in their time...only rivaled by the Lakers. KD is great but the DIFFERENCE is that Bird was a LEADER and KD is a phenomenal #2, he needs someone to lead...BIRD WASN'T BUILT LIKE THAT...HE WAS THE LEADER. Skillwise both are phenomenal elite all time legendary players but Bird had that little EXTRA that separates the two. Carry On...
Lebron will never pass Larry Bird.
This is key in the longevity factor of the GOAT debate!!! KD can play 3 times longer than Bird & it simply does not matter. Bird is in my top 5. KD is not Top 10
People will pick Larry Bird to take the last shot over Michael Jordan. Just by that fact alone KD isn't even on the same table.
You can’t say KD so better because Bird was playing 1980s rules and defenses were tougher. KD would get pushed around with that toothpick body against the 1980s big men. Cheers!
Bird is better than Lebron and Durant is not even in that conversation. This is a goal post maneuver designed to distract from that fact.
Just look at their respective nicknames, Kevin Durant is KD and Larry Bird is Larry Legend. Enough said.
Put it this way…..
Gilbert who????
GIlbert proved on that podcast he ranks people just off who he liks more, and uses no actual thought process.
Curry won before KD, after KD, AND came back 3-1 against KD in the finals...has more MVP's and double the rings.
Gil's response is "the totality of work" LMAOOOO
Some ppl seem like hypocrites, talking about Larry Bird and his teams being dominant or being drafted with other 3 HOF’s. He didn’t join a 73-9 team that he lost to in the playoffs, when he was up 3-1 against them. That’s the difference. Bird was a competitor and it’s different with guys that actually stay loyal to a franchise for their whole career. It’s why people prop up Dirk’s chips over Kd’s. The bar is seriously being lowered nowadays and it’s really annoying how someone like Gil keeps pushing the bar lower lmao.
Arenas is not very smart. This new fad of having podcasts has really shown just how stupid most of these athletes are
Gilbert Arenas and Kendrick Perkins along with Nick Wright and Steve Smith are fiercely competing for WOAT pundit.
If u say bird had 4 hof to play with then this will make it worse....kd had 2 hof and mvps on his team in okc with harden and russ. And then he played with another mvp caliber player and future hof in irving and harden again. Now hes with another hof to be probably in booker. Gsw era speaks for itself. So no comment. Bird wins all time all day all week all the wayy
larry bird’s first 9 seasons were better than lebron’s first 9 seasons
Bird would make KD cry, Bird was tougher than KD arenas combined
All I know, is nobody has ever put a death threat on KD’s life during the finals. 💀
You know what's crazy, in an era where 60-bombs are dropping like it's 1945 Japan, guess how many 60 points games KD has? Zero, he has never scored 60 in a game, which is crazy to me.
Fanboy thinking: Lebron>KD so make the case for Lebron being the best small forward by arguing KD>Bird
LeBron over Bird honestly makes sense. But no way KD
@@fencefirst2722I could see an argument for that even though I wouldn’t put any small forward over a prime Bird.
@@LargeDude2023 yeah that's what I'm saying it's arguably but KD? No way
@@LargeDude2023 also I will say Bird is better simply for pure reputation and stability
KD is amazing probably top 25 in Talent. Bird is Legend. Top 6.
Arenas knows about as much about basketball as I do space engineering.
I will never understand why people takes Gilbert Arenas seriously. I keep saying that unless you watched basketball in the 80's it makes no sense trying to engage with people who never saw Bird play because they just don't know so it's a lost cause. Bird made his teammates better and i will argue that he was by far the most feared clutch performer of his era and it's not even close. To the content creator of this channel i like and appreciate your content as it is always very well articulated and you always present facts to highlight your points, but i think you should refrain from responding to every piece of nonsense that presents itself as your brilliance only gives them relevance, great job as always though.
Gilbert's one to talk. He needs to call Bird up and _thank_ him for helping save the NBA back in the 80s. Without Bird, there would be no Bulls Dynasty, there would be no Lakers Resurgence in the 2000s. There certainly wouldn't be "King James" had the rest of these Me First, Team Never types that plague the NBA.
KD does not do what Bird did on the court. KD shoots better maybe, but that's it.
The celtics were dominate. But that was because bird helped them be dominate. KD joined a dominate team
Without Bird in the 80's Boston Celtics is nothing.
GILBERT ARENAS is one of the biggest clowns in NBA analysis. He make some of the dumbest takes ever.
Notice how Gilbert zeroed in on the one Finals championship in which Bird didn’t get Finals MVP. Like nothing else mattered. You can’t say someone choked if they won the championship. That’s silly. What are the actual stories on drug use in the ‘80s for the NBA? Were there as many players on coke as there are players right now on PEDs? KD isn’t even the best player of his generation. So how can he be considered better than Bird? Cause you look at a piece of paper and his scoring averages are higher? Come on, man! KD never led any team to a chip. He’s not even an alpha. He’s 2nd-tier, at best. Bird was top-tier. End of discussion!
Kd and lebron ruined the nba
KD can shoot. Nothing else.
This was well done.
Lmaoooo, Gil really calling 80s players crackheads. Yea, maybe that was true for the Rockets backcourt, but come on.
KD is great.. I like that he’s not a ball hog and he’s pretty efficient for a perimeter style but no way he’s better than Bird
I've had enough of Agent 0 sense already 🤡
That is terrible for Gil to say that nonsense about players that paved the way for him and so many others to make millions of dollars 🤮🤮🤮
KD had Russell Westbrook and James Harden and STILL couldn't win a championship...
Kd won't play defense because he doesn't wanna look bad. Players carried guns in Birds day. You would barely know bird was playing untill it was over and he had 30/10/8, it was that smooth
Lesson learned: never listen to a man named GILBERT
Gil makes me wish I couldn't hear sometimes.
If Shannon Sharpe is one that thinks this, it means nothing
Gilbert Arenas loves to talk about how he doesn't like talking away things from other players when it comes to judging them in categories. However, it's exactly what stat man does every single time in his arguments against players that weren't chosen by him. This is why Rashad McCants went off on him. This is why Kenyon Martin went off on him. Arenas' takes sometime rival even the great Kendrick Perkins. It's that bad.
Durant had Curry, Harden or Westbrook as teammates and needs to join a team which had already win before him and will win again after him.
Bird's best teammate was McHale, an all star player and borderline top 20 player.
Despite all of that, Bird has more MVP, nba titles,nba finals, same FMVP and far more courage and mental strengh.
nba media needs to sell Durant because he was supposed to be James rival but ultimately, he's just a top 25 player all time at best and will surely not clim the ladder.
gilbert arenas arguments: players in the 80s couldnt play and because i think so😂 proceeds to choke when Shanon says KD cant win without Steph
In terms of skill? Yeah. But greatness? Naaahhh
All these fake goats going to multiple teams trying to win and Larry won with his OG team and multiple times and retired with the same team.
Bird also had an amazing team lets not get twisted that 1981-1987 Celtics was maybe the best in NBA history.
It doesn't even matter if Gil wants to use that team being dominant nonsene (which they were) because Gilbert Arenas was NEVER dominant.
He talks about his career as if he was so great while simultaneously talking down on all the true All-time greats. Shannon Sharpe really lowered his platform by extending an opening to Arenas. That just fuels that YOU KNOW WHO agendas.
Jordan could not beat Larry Legend. Why is everyone so clueless.
Larry Bird can’t even compare to KD
You are right because Bird is way better
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@@Will-o5o6e wym where lol, Bird was a better passer , better rebounder , made his teammates hall of famers, way more clutch moments. Theres no universe im taking prime kd over prime Bird. Come on.. only argument is scoring and Bird was a pass first player who could score whenever he felt like it.
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I thought we didn’t compare early playoffs to choking in the finals