@@russell9411 There was better defense in the 80s vs now. Teams are scoring 116 ppg now and it keeps going up every season. For the 1980s teams averaged 109 ppg.
The disrespect Bird gets is baffling. True, you need a good team to win a title. You can't win a title without help around you. But KD had Curry, Thompson and Green to win 2 titles. Curry won an MVP; I don't think anyone "helping" Bird was ever in an MVP conversation, let alone win one.
@@robthames5065. That’s been happening for way longer if you look through history, but if you’re a modern fan too then ya CP3 is probably where you realize that.
- personally, Gil can say whatever he wants. It’s an opinion. The only he has? KD looks more talented. He has the skillset to be better BUT Larry LEGEND all day. That man is a walking double double with ice in his veins. Dr J, the nicest man on the court choked Larry. Kareem? Has called Larry the best player he ever played against. MJ? Was in awe of Larry when Larry won the 3pt contest with his warmups on. KD had the potential to be better, and is a Top 20 player. But Bird is Top 10 (maybe Top 15 with guys like Jokic and Curry coming up in the last decade).
@@darnellwilliams8783bro copy and basted that lol. mchale parish johnson walton ? walton was not in his prime, he won a ring without dj and please name 1 player with 3 rings that didn’t play with multiple hall of famers ?? he would maybe have 5 if the lakers weren’t so strong. 80s was literally a period of the same 5 stacked teams competing
@@josephvernon21exactly thats their argument but don’t anything about how kd had to go to a team that beat him in the playoffs to get a ring and haven’t gotten one since leaving that team
@@josephvernon21and will talk about how larry bird had hall of famers on the team, they probably wouldn’t even be hall of famers if it wasn’t for larry 😂
- Even Iverson was out partying all night - most nights- but still dropping 40 pts a night back the 90s-2000s So…Gil’s era was equally as weak? And KD’s era has a bunch podcasters and TikTok dancers so they weak as well? lol.
It blows my mind that these clowns can watch a couple slow, unathletic euro players dominate the current league and have the audacity to talk about competition when talking about Larry. Bird would absolutely dominate in today's NBA.
Gil is the stereotypical troubled hooper who made it out of the projects due to basketball - he was very very good at that. but people forget, had basketball not arrived, gil would either be dead or a janitor (tops) somewhere. he's a non educated kid from the block, who suddenly became RICH RICH at age 20. the problem about his bad takes is that the media actually listens.
@@tjwrangler326 TRUTH. I hate boston, but gilbert is being ignorant af. Him later trashing the media- dude you are literally part of the media narrative while saying that. Also Agent 0 has 0 playoff wins after the first round so he would know 0 about the battles it takes to win a ship, much less how hard it is to get there.
Well, the 80s have four players in the top ten all time in bird, magic, kareem and jordan plus hakeem, moses, in the top 15 and barkley, dr j, malone in top 25 then mchale, ewing top 35..
He was actually drafted with 2 future hofers he was in a better situation kd was drafted to an expansion team that moved cities again in his second year I think kd played with Westbrook and a harden that wasnt HARDEN if u get what I mean
We'd probably give more respect to 90's talent if guys like Barkley, Malone, Payton and Drexler won more championships. That said, I do agree the 80's was the best.
Exactly! The Rules keep the light on Bird. Much tougher Basketball in the 80's. Defenders grabbed and held Bird and didn't get called for a foul. Bird would dominate today with the soft Rules. It is boring today.
I think a big part of it is if they played against the current Era they can justify their failures by lifting up Curry or Lebron. By saying their competitive environment was harder elevates themselves in the Pantheon of greats by proxy
I was blessed to see BIRD play 85 times as a kid from my Dads courside seats. Thanks Dad. I've seen KD about 13 (on all his teams😢) The FACT is, their is NO comparison. BIRD, at his peak was much better. Has KD won 3 straight MVP”s (could be argued he should have one 4) becouse he was embaressing the league. He also finished second 7 straight years and won Rookie of the year over none other then MAGIC! Let's also add in that BIRD has a higher IQ and is infinitely a better passer then KD. He is also a better defender and rebounder. He's better at 50/50 balls which stats, & experts never talk about. & how about intangibles, like demanding teammates keep their head up, or they would have gotten hit in the face with a pass. Or, the 3 - 3 point contest wins in a row, without even practicing the 3 ball until the competition. & Gilbert Arenas, can u imagine if Magic were not in the league when BIRD was at his most prolific? We could be talking about 6 or 7 rings. Please say it for what it is. It's a jealous person, who is ignorant not only about BB but life in general - as Agent 0 (fitting name) cut his own career short by his stupid decision’s. Lastly, does anyone really think, the EMO poster boy KD is, could handle any of the BIRD trash talk? I didn't think so.😅
Certain type of people will claim that Magic was better than Bird when Bird was a way better shooter ,better scorer and way better defender. Bird clears Magic and Bird should have won 4 straight MVP's they gave it to Magic that season when Bird carried injured Celtics
its not just that.. college.. Larry clear poy and took a no one team to 30 and 0. ry was 4th in mvp runaway roy over magic and then the next 3 yrs was 2nd in mvp when magic was just fighting to be 2nd best on his own team... then 3 runaway mvps... 87 there was an open campaign to not let larry runaway with their rivalry... and magic was a media darling where bird was not... so he got 3,rd. and then 2nd to mj in 88 where larry had his best yr but mj was a phenom.. im ok with that one but bird easily could have won ... then his injuries... that was a 9 yr run where it wasnt close.. bird dominated the 80s period.
Larry Legend GOAT. Mr. 4th quarter. Bird was the greatest all around player to ever play. KD doesn't have the fake game or the Will Bird had. Bird had all the intangibles that don't show up in the Stat Book except the Win Stat.
One thing I noticed about Arenas, how quickly he brought up the team arguement for Bird but when It comes to Luka, the blame is on him while also saying Kyrie is better than him 😂
The same people that would say it was soley because of larry's team are the same people that say "lebron got no help" even after watching the team win with him on the sideline
Why do people care what Gil says? Cus he’s loud? The guy played in the NBA so that means he knows what he’s saying? Guy had like 3-4 good years and never lead his team in a deep playoff run. Did he ever win a playoff series?
Without the Athleticism. But Bird was a better passer. His fakes were a thing of beauty. Bird could effect the game without the ball. Jordan had to have the ball to effect the game. The one thing they both had was Will and Competitive Nature that only a few have had since.
KD will never pass Larry Bird. Bird went to 5 finals, won 3, won 3 straight MVP's, and finished in the top 2 nine yrs in a row. KD did not do all the things on the court that Bird did. No one should pay any attention to what Gil says. He was one of the dumbest players when he played, and things have not changed much
1. Bird was just as good a shooter as Durant and brought in more rebounds and assists. He was a more complete player by far. 2. Bird has more championships and did so legitimately, with no player on his team that was arguably as good as him. 3. Bird wasn't a toxic personality. Bird is arguably a top 5 player. I personally wonder if he's super underrated these days, and possibly the 2nd best. I could easily make an argument for that. Durant isn't even top 10. Is he even better than Karl Malone? Again, I could make a good argument for that.
Spurs win in 2014 was so gratifying...Heat barely won a year earlier...same final in 2014 and to say it was an absolute destruction by an aging Spurs core would be an understatement... That right there made Bron toast...he lost not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, but 6 of'em total, and excuses just keep piling up
You are the best my mhen. Love from across the globe here right now in SEA. You speak the truth. I remember the days we all tried to emulate Bird, Iceman George Gervin and Dr J. Never emulating KD nor Bron. Kids here in basketball crazy Philippines Idolize Curry not any other. That says it. Curry and GOAT MJ, and other greats like Kobe, Bird, and Magic are INSPIRING.
I cannot for the life of me understand how people go on about discussing "dominant teams" of old when KD's whole thing was stacking his team and switching when it didn't work out! It's almost as if a team becomes dominant by accepting the cards, pushing through white the cards you're delt and WORKING TOGETHER. If Boston was dominant and Bird got the MVP that means HE was a dominant player!
I have Bird fourth all time behind MJ, LeBron, and Wilt. Bird is a better all around player than Magic and didn’t have a GOAT candidate teammate unlike Magic and Kareem
Thank you for this video. The disrespect shown to Bird is sad. To discount the entire decade of the 80's because the league was full of "crack heads" = LOL. Bird led the league in defensive win shares 4 times and was 7 times in the top 5 in DWS. Bird in 1983 finished tied for 3rd place for the DPOY award. Bird was on 3 all defense teams (2nd team). Bird went to a 29 win team and was the main reason Boston won 61 games. Bird won ROY over Magic and was 4th in MVP. Then in the next 8 seasons ( before the heel surgeries and back issues) in the MVP was 2,2,2,1,1,1,3, and 2nd again. Durant has never had that dominant of a run. Look at Birds rebounding and passing. Bird is a more complete player.
In 20 years people will remember KD as much as they remember Drexler now. Won a chip with Hakeem, and KD will be - won two by joining Steph. Not even top 25 for KD unless he wins a few more at the tail end of his career, while Bird is definitively top 10, perhaps 5, but that depends on criteria as his career was the shortest compared to other GOAT candidates. Still while it was short due to back injury, it was spectacular. KD has a long and sad career, full of failure except for the period when he joined a winning team + the hubris that he thought he could do it alone.
I haven't even watched this video yet but I agree with the title btw i like KD i think he's a walking bucket but he's not better than bird, magic, curry,
Bird and Magic saved the NBA. The clowns in the media and kids on social media have no clue. Bird has more rings, and averagrd more assists, more rebounds, more steals, and was a better defender, especially because the NBA now plays these weak zone defenses with wide open shots, no hussle to get back on D, and no tight, full court, man to man defenses played anymore, except maybe when the game is close. If they rated defense, most modern NBA defenses would an F rating. Practically no one respects the shot anymore and it's sad. People walk in and shoot uncontested layups on a regular basis, when in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s, people would have been obliterated for even trying to come into the paint. The modern NBA is a combination of all of the worst parts of basketball: inflated stats, little to no defense, frequent rule violations, constant flopping, atrocious refereeing, blatant bias towards chosen players *cough* Lebron *cough* , constant lies and baseless opinions pushed in the media and on social media and falsely claimed to be factual, massive egos with few accolades, and zero respect for and knowledge of basketball history. It's honestly hard to even call the NBA basketball anymore.
Bird was better at rebounding, passing, leading the team, defense, had higher basketball IQ. The only things that KD does better is finishing and maybe shooting. Bird was the engine for the Celtics, KD joined a 73-win team. Bird has 2 more MVPs and 1 more ring. Before Bird was drafted, Boston's last title was 5 seasons ago. After he retired, Boston's next title is 22 years later. Before KD joined, Golden State was the champion 1 season ago and won another title 3 years after he left.
This is key in the longevity factor of the GOAT debate!!! KD can play 3 times longer than Bird & it simply does not matter. Bird is in my top 5. KD is not Top 10
All i know about the 80s 90s 00s to now is the talent has always been there. From top to bottom. The only difference in the late 90s and early 00s is the talent was bogged down to a slower pace..
I would say beyond a shadow of a doubt that LARRY LEGEND is the better player. What I think gets really overlooked about Larry is the fact that he was an ALL WORLD playmaker, his court vision was next level. And, he was a phenomenal rebounder for a man who couldn't jump over a sheet of paper. And, I believe that if he played in this "LET ME BE THE THREE" era he would have the all time 3 point record and not Steph. Larry would feast in this era. That said, if KD had the teams that Larry had in his career he would have about 4 championships right now...MINIMUM. You saw what he did with the Warriors and those Larry Bird Boston teams were as dominant as the Warriors in their time...only rivaled by the Lakers. KD is great but the DIFFERENCE is that Bird was a LEADER and KD is a phenomenal #2, he needs someone to lead...BIRD WASN'T BUILT LIKE THAT...HE WAS THE LEADER. Skillwise both are phenomenal elite all time legendary players but Bird had that little EXTRA that separates the two. Carry On...
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Larry is a better passer, rebounder, defender and arguably the same level scorer as KD. Larry was also a clear cut leader and took any challenge. I’m taking Larry over KD any day of the week
If u say bird had 4 hof to play with then this will make it worse....kd had 2 hof and mvps on his team in okc with harden and russ. And then he played with another mvp caliber player and future hof in irving and harden again. Now hes with another hof to be probably in booker. Gsw era speaks for itself. So no comment. Bird wins all time all day all week all the wayy
You can’t say KD so better because Bird was playing 1980s rules and defenses were tougher. KD would get pushed around with that toothpick body against the 1980s big men. Cheers!
KD would have been broken in half if he played in the 80s/90s. The league changed the rules repeatedly to make this league soft as charmin, inflating league average scoring by 30%. Remember that number when you compare stats. bird would have averaged 40+, 15assists, 20 rebounds. KD aint even top 20.
Sorry, but you can't even mention Kevin Durant in the same breath as Larry Bird. Even household pets and domestic farm animals know that. Larry is a "Legend", literally !! KD just isn't in the same class.
I will never understand why people takes Gilbert Arenas seriously. I keep saying that unless you watched basketball in the 80's it makes no sense trying to engage with people who never saw Bird play because they just don't know so it's a lost cause. Bird made his teammates better and i will argue that he was by far the most feared clutch performer of his era and it's not even close. To the content creator of this channel i like and appreciate your content as it is always very well articulated and you always present facts to highlight your points, but i think you should refrain from responding to every piece of nonsense that presents itself as your brilliance only gives them relevance, great job as always though.
11:58 Bird did play with a SuperTeam. Those Celtics team not only had the best SF, they also had one of the best PF, and C. Ainge and Dennis were good complimentary pieces.
Apologies to all you guys but monetization was messing up on the previous uploads. Thanks as always for watching. Appreciate all the support.
Np re watching for the second time now
I was confused for a second lol.
Thank you, brother.
You are welcome
Bird all the way 👍
Larry was one of the reasons the NBA was saved.
KD was one of the reasons the NBA is dying.
Lebron not KD
That is why he said one of
@@supatay1181KD and Bron
Nah only Bron, KD isnt abusing PEDs like BRon is...@@devinisreal9356
Well said
Using Chuck's analogy, KD is a bus rider while Bird is a bus driver.
Bird had 5 hall of framers stop he ain’t carry shit
You out your damn mind if you're here saying Bird didn't carry shit. Don't know anything about the 80's Celtics with that blasphemy you just said.
Bird drove the league. The man was and is a legend
@@jahmairjones9411 He MADE HoFers. He was in a league that every team had at least one HoFer. What's KD done in 13 years? Larry did all his in 13.
@@jahmairjones9411 Quiet kid.. Don't embarass yourself anymore..
"The team was great."
KD literally joined a 73 win team.
😂😂😂
Use this as a "How many times RUclips is going to force Uncut Hoops to re-upload this video" button.
I got one more in me - Vince Carter
why?
All KD has done is be a scorer in the worst defensive Era in nba history.
The 80s defense was horrible
Ur embarrassing kd will b unstoppable in any era clown
@@russell9411
Sure it was you millenial non binary
@@russell9411 There was better defense in the 80s vs now. Teams are scoring 116 ppg now and it keeps going up every season. For the 1980s teams averaged 109 ppg.
@@russell9411 Say you are a toddler without saying you're a toddler
The disrespect Bird gets is baffling. True, you need a good team to win a title. You can't win a title without help around you. But KD had Curry, Thompson and Green to win 2 titles. Curry won an MVP; I don't think anyone "helping" Bird was ever in an MVP conversation, let alone win one.
Chris Paul proves that you can have good teams and still never win a ring.
@@robthames5065. That’s been happening for way longer if you look through history, but if you’re a modern fan too then ya CP3 is probably where you realize that.
Time to.realize these podcasts are comprised of racially biased clowns..
Gilbert should not be allowed to talk about basketball. He never led his team passed the second round.
Rigged Lebron era plus that gun situation set him back some years and got traded we'll never know
- personally, Gil can say whatever he wants. It’s an opinion.
The only he has? KD looks more talented. He has the skillset to be better BUT Larry LEGEND all day. That man is a walking double double with ice in his veins.
Dr J, the nicest man on the court choked Larry. Kareem? Has called Larry the best player he ever played against. MJ? Was in awe of Larry when Larry won the 3pt contest with his warmups on.
KD had the potential to be better, and is a Top 20 player. But Bird is Top 10 (maybe Top 15 with guys like Jokic and Curry coming up in the last decade).
Then that means you shouldn't be allowed to talk basketball
@@supatay1181 oh, and the gun situation is the league's problem now?
@@supatay1181 he DESERVES to be taken down a notch after doing that very stupid move, nobody to blame but himself
The flaw with Gil’s argument, talking about his teams were dominant is well…the team was dominant because they had mf-n Larry Bird!
😂😂😂
@nessdagoat and Larry BIRD had 4 Halll Of gamers around him just don't forget that
@@darnellwilliams8783 Larry carried them to the Hall of Fame...
@@DesroQc Larry didn't carry nothing and he had a Hall of fame coach
@@DesroQc Sorry, but no player can carry another to a Hall. Bird was great and KD isn't there yet.
@@darnellwilliams8783 and KD had the warriors so
Larry is still the only rookie to ever! Lead a team to 60 win season in nba history
@gmoneydamnan28 Larry brid had 4 hall of farmers around him
Wow 😎
@@darnellwilliams8783bro copy and basted that lol. mchale parish johnson walton ? walton was not in his prime, he won a ring without dj and please name 1 player with 3 rings that didn’t play with multiple hall of famers ?? he would maybe have 5 if the lakers weren’t so strong. 80s was literally a period of the same 5 stacked teams competing
@@josephvernon21exactly thats their argument but don’t anything about how kd had to go to a team that beat him in the playoffs to get a ring and haven’t gotten one since leaving that team
@@josephvernon21and will talk about how larry bird had hall of famers on the team, they probably wouldn’t even be hall of famers if it wasn’t for larry 😂
"crackheads"?? Gilbert is a fool. Bird was cooking the best defenders in the league.
- Even Iverson was out partying all night - most nights- but still dropping 40 pts a night back the 90s-2000s
So…Gil’s era was equally as weak? And KD’s era has a bunch podcasters and TikTok dancers so they weak as well? lol.
The drug problem was bad during the 80 40-75 % of players were using cocaine at the time so crackheads was crude but Gil isn’t wrong there
@@kdjr3062 so was Wayne Gretzky. The greatest hockey player ever.
It blows my mind that these clowns can watch a couple slow, unathletic euro players dominate the current league and have the audacity to talk about competition when talking about Larry. Bird would absolutely dominate in today's NBA.
Man. Gilbert Arenas is a bad-take machine. How can somebody be so ignorant after playing 10+ years in the league?!!
Gil is the stereotypical troubled hooper who made it out of the projects due to basketball - he was very very good at that.
but people forget, had basketball not arrived, gil would either be dead or a janitor (tops) somewhere.
he's a non educated kid from the block, who suddenly became RICH RICH at age 20.
the problem about his bad takes is that the media actually listens.
@@leonhardable dont you diss Brian Cardinal that bad. A Janitor is VERY important.
@@tjwrangler326 TRUTH. I hate boston, but gilbert is being ignorant af. Him later trashing the media- dude you are literally part of the media narrative while saying that. Also Agent 0 has 0 playoff wins after the first round so he would know 0 about the battles it takes to win a ship, much less how hard it is to get there.
“But the team was dominant”
Very good Gilbert, and what makes teams dominant? Great players do.
But they say LeBron teams are trash to prop him up. Make it make sense 😂
80's probably had the best players of any decade ever for the NBA
Well, the 80s have four players in the top ten all time in bird, magic, kareem and jordan plus hakeem, moses, in the top 15 and barkley, dr j, malone in top 25 then mchale, ewing top 35..
the 80s were the prime of the nba
Hell no
The fundamentals were on average better than now
@@samecolourroxxyHell yes.
KD always want a trade but bird dedicated his life to the boston celtics "I dedicated myself to the boston celtics - larry bird
He was actually drafted with 2 future hofers he was in a better situation kd was drafted to an expansion team that moved cities again in his second year I think kd played with Westbrook and a harden that wasnt HARDEN if u get what I mean
I have said it before but 1980-1998 was the golden age of the NBA. And the 80s were the better of those years. Stacked
Everybody from the 80's was ageing except Bird and Magic most them players he named prime was 70's
We'd probably give more respect to 90's talent if guys like Barkley, Malone, Payton and Drexler won more championships.
That said, I do agree the 80's was the best.
A lot of new fans only know Barkley and Shaq from their show. Barkley didnt manage a ring and so they dismiss his skill.
@@John6-40 i totally agree about the 90s. It is what made me love basketball
1980-93 golden years of NBA. Imo
Modern NBA sucks, it's boring. Wish it would go back to the old days
Exactly! The Rules keep the light on Bird. Much tougher Basketball in the 80's. Defenders grabbed and held Bird and didn't get called for a foul. Bird would dominate today with the soft Rules. It is boring today.
You gotta put some of that on QUEEN James crying to the refs all the time for that!!!!!!!
@@kurtsherrick2066 just because assaulting people was legal back in the day doesn’t mean it’s automatically better
@@kurtsherrick2066 great players in any era can play in any era they will adjust
@@kdjr3062 Yes it does.. It means you have to find a way to not get assaulted.. Nowadays everyone is on the 3 point line, with 0 defence
What up with people disrespecting the great of the past I don't get it
Because modern athletes are obsessed with being validated
Because they are hired by clutch sports to promote Lebron as the goat so they most discredit all Mj's competition.
This generation is crazy and always need likes followers and attention.
I think a big part of it is if they played against the current Era they can justify their failures by lifting up Curry or Lebron. By saying their competitive environment was harder elevates themselves in the Pantheon of greats by proxy
Gilbert Arenas really is godly at saying the dumbest things possible.
I was blessed to see BIRD play 85 times as a kid from my Dads courside seats. Thanks Dad. I've seen KD about 13 (on all his teams😢) The FACT is, their is NO comparison. BIRD, at his peak was much better. Has KD won 3 straight MVP”s (could be argued he should have one 4) becouse he was embaressing the league. He also finished second 7 straight years and won Rookie of the year over none other then MAGIC!
Let's also add in that BIRD has a higher IQ and is infinitely a better passer then KD. He is also a better defender and rebounder. He's better at 50/50 balls which stats, & experts never talk about. & how about intangibles, like demanding teammates keep their head up, or they would have gotten hit in the face with a pass.
Or, the 3 - 3 point contest wins in a row, without even practicing the 3 ball until the competition. & Gilbert Arenas, can u imagine if Magic were not in the league when BIRD was at his most prolific? We could be talking about 6 or 7 rings.
Please say it for what it is. It's a jealous person, who is ignorant not only about BB but life in general - as Agent 0 (fitting name) cut his own career short by his stupid decision’s. Lastly, does anyone really think, the EMO poster boy KD is, could handle any of the BIRD trash talk?
I didn't think so.😅
Shout out to Shannon for not falling in race bias trap and constantly giving Jokic his props and also to Larry Bird.
Shanon Sharpe has always been real honestly.
KD is pissed, you had to put the video up 3 times 😂😂
Gil CHOKED ON THAT FREE THOW LINE LOL...guess he was looking for his fix after that game lol
Larry Bird is the best SF to ever lace 'em up... Kevin Durant is also a basketball player
Bird would out-hustle most modern NBA players. He was a great all around player.
I need to know what the fuck is arenas smoking on these podcasts
man's had so many atrocious takes it almost looks like he's doing it on purpose
After 40 years , Bird is still The legend. Let that marinate.
imagine if Larry could have carried the ball, didnt have to dribble, and defenders couldnt put their hands on him like the modern nba.
Certain type of people will claim that Magic was better than Bird when Bird was a way better shooter ,better scorer and way better defender. Bird clears Magic and Bird should have won 4 straight MVP's they gave it to Magic that season when Bird carried injured Celtics
It all has to do with color on why they say magic is better.
@@aaronbarkley539 Yes but some folks will keep it real tho
The 1987 mvp should have been bird's..
its not just that.. college.. Larry clear poy and took a no one team to 30 and 0. ry was 4th in mvp runaway roy over magic and then the next 3 yrs was 2nd in mvp when magic was just fighting to be 2nd best on his own team... then 3 runaway mvps... 87 there was an open campaign to not let larry runaway with their rivalry... and magic was a media darling where bird was not... so he got 3,rd. and then 2nd to mj in 88 where larry had his best yr but mj was a phenom.. im ok with that one but bird easily could have won ... then his injuries... that was a 9 yr run where it wasnt close.. bird dominated the 80s period.
@@brianholleran6340 Facts and nothing but facts.
Larry Legend GOAT. Mr. 4th quarter. Bird was the greatest all around player to ever play. KD doesn't have the fake game or the Will Bird had. Bird had all the intangibles that don't show up in the Stat Book except the Win Stat.
I like how the closed captions translate KD as "Katie" 😂 fitting name lol. He Katie from now on 🤣
Shannon was cookin right here.
One thing I noticed about Arenas, how quickly he brought up the team arguement for Bird but when It comes to Luka, the blame is on him while also saying Kyrie is better than him 😂
The same people that would say it was soley because of larry's team are the same people that say "lebron got no help" even after watching the team win with him on the sideline
How dare You??? 🤣
Bird is the best Small Forward to ever play the game!!
Completely Agreed and Bird is top 5 ever.
Why do people care what Gil says? Cus he’s loud? The guy played in the NBA so that means he knows what he’s saying? Guy had like 3-4 good years and never lead his team in a deep playoff run. Did he ever win a playoff series?
Bird would average 35 15 and 8 and would probably shoot 45 percent from 3 every season if he was playing now.
Funny how arenas forgets what lebron has done in the finals 6 times... but larry scoring 8 points in one game is just awful somehow
Larry was as cold as Jordan without the all-around skill level draw maybe
Without the Athleticism. But Bird was a better passer. His fakes were a thing of beauty. Bird could effect the game without the ball. Jordan had to have the ball to effect the game. The one thing they both had was Will and Competitive Nature that only a few have had since.
KD will never pass Larry Bird. Bird went to 5 finals, won 3, won 3 straight MVP's, and finished in the top 2 nine yrs in a row. KD did not do all the things on the court that Bird did. No one should pay any attention to what Gil says. He was one of the dumbest players when he played, and things have not changed much
You can compare shooting, height, speed and stats, but you can’t compare heart. Durant will never match Bird’s heart.
Or brains
1. Bird was just as good a shooter as Durant and brought in more rebounds and assists. He was a more complete player by far.
2. Bird has more championships and did so legitimately, with no player on his team that was arguably as good as him.
3. Bird wasn't a toxic personality.
Bird is arguably a top 5 player. I personally wonder if he's super underrated these days, and possibly the 2nd best.
I could easily make an argument for that.
Durant isn't even top 10. Is he even better than Karl Malone? Again, I could make a good argument for that.
Warriors: STRENGTH IN NUMBERS
Gilbert: "Bird had too many good teammates"
Spurs win in 2014 was so gratifying...Heat barely won a year earlier...same final in 2014 and to say it was an absolute destruction by an aging Spurs core would be an understatement...
That right there made Bron toast...he lost not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, but 6 of'em total, and excuses just keep piling up
You are the best my mhen. Love from across the globe here right now in SEA. You speak the truth. I remember the days we all tried to emulate Bird, Iceman George Gervin and Dr J. Never emulating KD nor Bron. Kids here in basketball crazy Philippines Idolize Curry not any other. That says it. Curry and GOAT MJ, and other greats like Kobe, Bird, and Magic are INSPIRING.
While birds team was dominant aint no player in the nba back then that would disrespect larry bird like that
KD will never be, he's just a scorer that's all, also his emotion is as soft as a wet tissue
I cannot for the life of me understand how people go on about discussing "dominant teams" of old when KD's whole thing was stacking his team and switching when it didn't work out! It's almost as if a team becomes dominant by accepting the cards, pushing through white the cards you're delt and WORKING TOGETHER. If Boston was dominant and Bird got the MVP that means HE was a dominant player!
Gil just talks up his but without even thinking.
How can you call the 81 Finals a choke if they won the F-ing title? What a ridiculous thing to say...
Thanks for the facts! Bird was the very definition of the concept of making your teammates better.
Bird was a Dawg I don't care Gil or anyone says
I have Bird fourth all time behind MJ, LeBron, and Wilt. Bird is a better all around player than Magic and didn’t have a GOAT candidate teammate unlike Magic and Kareem
I agree with Bird over Magic, but having two losers in your top 4 is crazy.
LeFraud!?!?!? lolololol
Lebrons legacy is like ZERO😂
The disrespect is appalling.
Thank you for this video. The disrespect shown to Bird is sad. To discount the entire decade of the 80's because the league was full of "crack heads" = LOL. Bird led the league in defensive win shares 4 times and was 7 times in the top 5 in DWS. Bird in 1983 finished tied for 3rd place for the DPOY award. Bird was on 3 all defense teams (2nd team). Bird went to a 29 win team and was the main reason Boston won 61 games. Bird won ROY over Magic and was 4th in MVP. Then in the next 8 seasons ( before the heel surgeries and back issues) in the MVP was 2,2,2,1,1,1,3, and 2nd again. Durant has never had that dominant of a run. Look at Birds rebounding and passing. Bird is a more complete player.
KD’s leadership skills are a negative number. Bird is arguably the best ever there.
Uncut keep up the good work and the dissection of the nonsense that keeps getting put out there.
Gil has obviously never tussled with a crackhead. Lol.
In 20 years people will remember KD as much as they remember Drexler now. Won a chip with Hakeem, and KD will be - won two by joining Steph.
Not even top 25 for KD unless he wins a few more at the tail end of his career, while Bird is definitively top 10, perhaps 5, but that depends on criteria as his career was the shortest compared to other GOAT candidates. Still while it was short due to back injury, it was spectacular.
KD has a long and sad career, full of failure except for the period when he joined a winning team + the hubris that he thought he could do it alone.
Shannon's take on Curry against KD could also be use on MJ against LeFlop, yet somehow that flies over his head when he thinks about LeQuit.
I haven't even watched this video yet but I agree with the title btw i like KD i think he's a walking bucket but he's not better than bird, magic, curry,
Bird and Magic saved the NBA. The clowns in the media and kids on social media have no clue. Bird has more rings, and averagrd more assists, more rebounds, more steals, and was a better defender, especially because the NBA now plays these weak zone defenses with wide open shots, no hussle to get back on D, and no tight, full court, man to man defenses played anymore, except maybe when the game is close.
If they rated defense, most modern NBA defenses would an F rating. Practically no one respects the shot anymore and it's sad. People walk in and shoot uncontested layups on a regular basis, when in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s, people would have been obliterated for even trying to come into the paint.
The modern NBA is a combination of all of the worst parts of basketball: inflated stats, little to no defense, frequent rule violations, constant flopping, atrocious refereeing, blatant bias towards chosen players *cough* Lebron *cough* , constant lies and baseless opinions pushed in the media and on social media and falsely claimed to be factual, massive egos with few accolades, and zero respect for and knowledge of basketball history.
It's honestly hard to even call the NBA basketball anymore.
in 1981 finals bird led the celtics in rebounds assists steals but didn’t shoot well. better efficiency than kobes final career
This was well done.
Bird was better at rebounding, passing, leading the team, defense, had higher basketball IQ. The only things that KD does better is finishing and maybe shooting. Bird was the engine for the Celtics, KD joined a 73-win team.
Bird has 2 more MVPs and 1 more ring. Before Bird was drafted, Boston's last title was 5 seasons ago. After he retired, Boston's next title is 22 years later. Before KD joined, Golden State was the champion 1 season ago and won another title 3 years after he left.
The Celtics were dominant but Bird was their captain and best player.
I honestly had to turn off the live when Gil said that I was beyond flabbergasted
8:25 you are not seeing todays player throw a pass off the backboard that was Legendary ive never seen something like that
Remember when Arenas wasn't mentally fit to play in the NBA. Apparently now he can comment on players thag were far better than he ever was.
I’m getting sick of point comparisons between scoring 30 when teams scored 88 versus today scoring 40 when teams score 140.
Gil needs to lay of the crack dude has been saying some crazy ish lately jokic not even a star and KD better than larry bird lmao
Jokić, Bird...what is... (K. Perkins)
This is key in the longevity factor of the GOAT debate!!! KD can play 3 times longer than Bird & it simply does not matter. Bird is in my top 5. KD is not Top 10
Averaging 15 boards as non big ingthe finals is crazy....
All i know about the 80s 90s 00s to now is the talent has always been there. From top to bottom. The only difference in the late 90s and early 00s is the talent was bogged down to a slower pace..
I would say beyond a shadow of a doubt that LARRY LEGEND is the better player. What I think gets really overlooked about Larry is the fact that he was an ALL WORLD playmaker, his court vision was next level. And, he was a phenomenal rebounder for a man who couldn't jump over a sheet of paper. And, I believe that if he played in this "LET ME BE THE THREE" era he would have the all time 3 point record and not Steph. Larry would feast in this era.
That said, if KD had the teams that Larry had in his career he would have about 4 championships right now...MINIMUM. You saw what he did with the Warriors and those Larry Bird Boston teams were as dominant as the Warriors in their time...only rivaled by the Lakers. KD is great but the DIFFERENCE is that Bird was a LEADER and KD is a phenomenal #2, he needs someone to lead...BIRD WASN'T BUILT LIKE THAT...HE WAS THE LEADER. Skillwise both are phenomenal elite all time legendary players but Bird had that little EXTRA that separates the two. Carry On...
Stephen Curry still hasn’t passed larry bird.
I'M ALSO GLAD THAT THERE'RE YOU TUBERS WHO SEE THROUGH THE BULLSHIT OF ALLLLL OF THE PAID, NO INTEGRITY, PROFESSIONAL LIARS & SEE IT AS THEIR DUTY TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT FOR ALLLLL FANS TO SEE.
Anytime something comes out of Arenas’ mouth, it’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
Larry is a better passer, rebounder, defender and arguably the same level scorer as KD. Larry was also a clear cut leader and took any challenge. I’m taking Larry over KD any day of the week
Imagine Larry Bird joining Pistons just to win a chip, because he cannot beat them. 😅
Larry Bird was still the best player in that 1981 finals series! Only casuals think otherwise
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If u say bird had 4 hof to play with then this will make it worse....kd had 2 hof and mvps on his team in okc with harden and russ. And then he played with another mvp caliber player and future hof in irving and harden again. Now hes with another hof to be probably in booker. Gsw era speaks for itself. So no comment. Bird wins all time all day all week all the wayy
You can’t say KD so better because Bird was playing 1980s rules and defenses were tougher. KD would get pushed around with that toothpick body against the 1980s big men. Cheers!
Arenas knows about as much about basketball as I do space engineering.
He thinks KD is better than steph because he's taller. And better than Bird because he has more moves. Those things don't make you great.
Bird is better than Lebron and Durant is not even in that conversation. This is a goal post maneuver designed to distract from that fact.
People will pick Larry Bird to take the last shot over Michael Jordan. Just by that fact alone KD isn't even on the same table.
Does anyone know the background song's name?
Lebron will never pass Larry Bird.
KD would have been broken in half if he played in the 80s/90s. The league changed the rules repeatedly to make this league soft as charmin, inflating league average scoring by 30%. Remember that number when you compare stats. bird would have averaged 40+, 15assists, 20 rebounds. KD aint even top 20.
kd would as bad as poole today
Keep reminding them with the receipt uncut!
KD does not do what Bird did on the court. KD shoots better maybe, but that's it.
ill 'take' Larry Bird OVER Kevin Durant EVERYDAY!
If Bird was black there would be no argument about him being the GOAT. MJ couldn’t guard him or beat him even dropping over 60 points on the Celts.
Put it this way…..
Gilbert who????
Sorry, but you can't even mention Kevin Durant in the same breath as Larry Bird. Even household pets and domestic farm animals know that. Larry is a "Legend", literally !! KD just isn't in the same class.
I will never understand why people takes Gilbert Arenas seriously. I keep saying that unless you watched basketball in the 80's it makes no sense trying to engage with people who never saw Bird play because they just don't know so it's a lost cause. Bird made his teammates better and i will argue that he was by far the most feared clutch performer of his era and it's not even close. To the content creator of this channel i like and appreciate your content as it is always very well articulated and you always present facts to highlight your points, but i think you should refrain from responding to every piece of nonsense that presents itself as your brilliance only gives them relevance, great job as always though.
11:58 Bird did play with a SuperTeam. Those Celtics team not only had the best SF, they also had one of the best PF, and C. Ainge and Dennis were good complimentary pieces.
Larry bird till this day is the Jordan of the Celtics.