Jordan - Kareem - Bird - Hakeem - Kobe - Magic - Duncan - Robertson - Baylor: I don't believe any of these men could ever be completely shut down or shut down the other and it was glorious to watch when they matched up.@@andrehill5926
@@xzombieeffectx2611But Magic does?? Bird was a better scorer, way better shooter and way better defender than Magic. Bird should've won 4 straight MVP'S btw but they gave that pity MVP to Magic in 87
Bird got MVPs and rings battling the showtime lakers - the bad boy pistons and the upstart Jordan - did you even watch the NBA? Also his bag is deeper than James' highlight reel of flops - which is long and storied.@@xzombieeffectx2611
Actually, BIRD did pass the eye test if you really understand the game. Was blessed to see him 85 times as a young kid with my Dad’s seasons tickets from the floor. Some of his brilliance happened during warm ups & shoot arounds. For example, I recall him giving an interview while shooting free throws before a game. He was shooting lefty. He hit 37 in a row before the interview stopped. While he was doing it, he would look over at the group of young kids and their parents smiling, knowing he was putting on a show. As for shooting, overall ? I saw him hit many logo 3’s if you went in early for shoot around. Simply put, he would Smoke the league today 😊
@@LeMeatRider911even if you used his skill back then it wouldn’t matter😂. Have you seen the passes and shots (especially in the clutch) Bird made especially in a era where dudes were allowed to clothesline you?. Bro would have a field day in todays era where nobody wouldn’t even be allowed to touch him😂
Yeah but they’ll also trash lebron and his legacy saying “he got cooked by white guys like Jokic, Dirk, Luka, Steph ect. He lost more times against plumbers than he won, he can’t be the goat” lol.
People who say that usually have the same criticisms for Bird as they do for Jocik and Doncik; aka they’re too slow, not enough muscles, (too white), etc. It’s like these haters fell in love with the idea of a strong, muscular black man stereotype and now couldn’t understand why someone who doesn’t fit that look can be so good at basketball.
This is a dumb comparison. The Joker is 7 feet and outweighed prime Bird by 60 pounds. If you compare Jokic with centers from the 80's and 90's there is no comparison. A better comparison would be Bird vs KD, Luka or LeBron - modern players are flat out better, more developed handles and bigger bag. Nothing to get worked up over - 40 years from now players will be better than Steph or Luka. That is how things work. Stop living in the past.
@@philwilson609 I would better at basketball too if nobody’s guarding me every time I shoot a ball. “Modern players are flat out better” as they flop on the ground in hopes of winning through free throws, when they’re not out for yet another six months because of an ouchy muscle pain. LMAO
@@forestgump8357 I think it's folly to say that anybody who succeeds in the NBA is "unathletic". Being able to shoot and pass at such a high level are athletic skills.
@@DanTarrant1 Ok, that is skill, he is still slow, he can't jump, he's not quick. He doesn't hit any of the markers of being an explosive athlete. I think you know what I meant. He is an incredibly skilled basketball player, with excellent eye hand coordination. Prime Bird at least was pretty fast, very quick, especially his first step and for a few years even a decent jumper even. He just had a funny build and looked 50 by the time he was 30.
What people don’t take into account is… Bird (and MJ and Kobe et.c) if dropped into a new era IF they found people were better than them they would GRIND until their average was on par with the best. The elite just don’t quit. That’s why they’re called legends.
Gen Z NBA Twitter say NBA players back then wouldn’t be able to play today because their slow and unathletic yet you got players like Jokic bussin everybody ass😂😂
Bird before the back injuries was more athletic and quicker than Jokic. Bird would do just fine in this era especially considering the advances in medical care and training.
@@joebuss8835 Yes but on anteam full of HOFs, rookie fo the year by far (83 vs 3) was the Legend Bird. And then won on the second year. He dominated the golden era of the NBA from the beguining.
Skill, IQ, and desire are what make a player great, athleticism is a part of it, but its smaller than how far those three things can get you. Larry bird had them in spades.
I think a major reason his back was injured is because he put in his Mom's driveway by himself because he didn't want to spend the money and pay someone else to do it and injured his back in doing so.
Embiid dove for a ball and got injured this year. Although tbh, he would've likely gotten injured sooner or later with the way he flops to the ground after driving to the rim.
Idem for me, I stoped watching NBA because of guys like Lebron, Chaq and all this bigs muscles without IQ.. It's so nice to see beautiful game and creativity again
5:50 is my favorite clip ever. It's 4-on-1 guarding him, he makes ONE fake move and they all go off in four different directions away from him like he just blinded them or something.
1:15 Kobe ask Magic about Bird saying the same kind of stuff. I can almost see Magic shake his head saying, "Come here boy. Sit down. Let me tell something ..."
Another VERY important fact that is often left out when comparing eras. The 3 point line didn’t exist in when Jordan and Bird played in college. It was introduced in the NBA when Bird was a rookie. They never practiced 3 pointers growing up.
Larry would have not only dominated more now, but would have stayed healthy (if you could beg him not to dive for everything). Three most insanely competitive players I have watched with my own two eyes were Jordan, Bird and Kobe. Anyone calling Bird "garbage" is someone I'd immediately just walk away from in conversation.
Still amazed that Bird averaged 50-40-90 over 4 consecutive seasons!! Look at the list of the top 10 "goats" and none of them even have one 50-40-90 season. And Bird never practiced the 3 point shot and never had it in high school or in college. Bird if he grew up today ( I believe ) would be even better than Jokic. Thanks for sharing this video.
Bird only had 2 legit 50-40-90 seasons... 1986-87 and 1987-88 seasons. In 1984-85, he shot just 88.2 FT%, while 1985-86, he was just 49.6 FG% and 89.6 FT%.
@@mr.sinjin-smyth Yes, I know = Bird just missed in the 85 and in the 86 season. If you take Bird's cumulative stats over those 4 seasons , he actually averaged 50-40-90 as the 87 and 88 numbers were high enough to pull up the 85 and 86 numbers to average 50-40-90.
@@mrho4speed Oh, okay that makes perfect sense. That 4 year stretch quality wise is far superior compared to most players in today's NBA. There's a reason why Bird is consistently in any Top 5 rankings and GOAT conversations. He is just that great and legendary.
Yup- & if he played today, he would start another club. He would be practicing rhe 3 ball all the time, & therefore would be the first player ever to average 40% or higherr from the ARC with his left & right hand 😀
One of the many great things about growing up in the 1980s was watching guys like Larry Bird play live. I modelled my own game off him as best I could, because I had a similar physique and couldn’t out-muscle the stronger guys. And it worked, too. I never played near this level, but in my circles I had the respect of many who were bigger and more athletic. The body has physical limits, but if you learn to play smart, you can run with almost anyone.
Bird was incredible. But the weirdest thing is the idea that he played against non-athletic talent. What the hell are people talking about? The league back then was filled with huge dudes with muscles (p.s. yes, guys also used roids). Yeah, maybe the training advances make today's guys a little more athletic, but playing 82 games a year plus practices is going get anyone's athletic skills buffed up. There's no that much room to grow. Dominique, Jordan, Hakeem, Cooper, Malone, Barkley, Pippen, Rodman = the list of crazy athletes could go on for ever and Bird lit them all up.
This comes down to a double standard, if the game is constantly evolving and so much better why do must players not even play 82 games? And why do most players get allowed to carry the ball and travel? Theirs not one skill in today's game that's so much better guys back in the 80's and 90's we're not allowed to dribble and carry the same way modern players can it's why Bob cousey looks like he doesn't know to dribble because they were only allowed to go on top of the ball, the game has evolved in jump shooting but it lacks effort on defense it's not bad but it's really just effort and very soft foul calls. The biggest thing is imagine in 20 years they say LeBron couldn't play in that era? Like ohh "LeBron doesn't have a left hand, he can't shoot past 5 ft, he only uses bully ball and running to the rim to score" yk how annoying that would be for bron fans? It would be annoying to me as well even if I'm not a bron fan it's disrespectful the literal top ten greatest players ever couldn't survive today is dumb if people can acknowledge the greatest of this current era would be able to adapt and play well in future eras why do they then turn and say 80's and 90's all time greats wouldnt be as good today.
I think the reason that players don't put in 82 games anymore is two-fold. 1. I believe that they're starting too young. It used to be that players were 21 or 22 before they got to the NBA. Before that they played a relatively light schedule in college. This gave their bodies time to finish maturing before they were asked to join the NBA. And that's saying nothing of the AAU meat grinder burning them out in high school. 2. The game is legitimately faster and requires much harsher stops, starts, and cuts. It's generally murder on soft tissue. The human body may not be built for today's game.
I Imagine Larry trashtalking Joker and him replaying "I'm 47, my guy" Iconic moment ever😂😂😂 I don't think Larry could have been better than Joker, but the rivalry between this two would have been the most extraordinary of all time, and Joker is the only that Larry said he would have liked to play against. Thats says it all say❤❤.
What really strikes me about that image is that LaBron has 4 (3.5?) championships and Bird and Johnson have 8. And those two did it in half the amount of time it's taken LaBron.
@@damianpresha9833 lol what are you talking about? That was my point - the Celtics with Bird and the Lakers with Johnson were so dominant in the 80s. LaBron has never been dominant with any singular team for any period of time.
Larry Bird is basically a better shooting version of Luka. If Luka is going 33-9-8 imagine what Bird would do in today’s NBA. Throughout Bird’s NBA career he only didn’t finish top 5 in MVP voting twice: His rookie year and his final year which was completely plagued by injury. With Bird’s shooting ability, his vision/passing skills, his superior height at 6’10” and his shot and the amount of 3s taken in today’s NBA I wouldn’t put it past him to have multiple seasons of averaging a 35 point triple double. Again; for those who don’t know, Bird is basically a taller Luka who played in the NBA when no one shot triples. If Bird played in today’s NBA taking 7-10 3s a game he would lead the league in scoring.
Larry made some of the greatest 80s players look like they were fresh out of college. He would make many of todays players look like they never picked up a basketball. Even in his prime there were all these players and fans saying “Bird is nothing.” “He’s slow” “He’s not athletic” “He’s got no style” “If he were black he’d just be another half decent player.” But after they played him, or after their heroes played him, you didn’t hear that shit anymore. All you saw were broken men at a time when basketball was played by tough guys. If you put these modern players against the kind of beasts that were playing in the days of those Celtics or those Pistons, they would be crying like little babies.
I also think even for his prime he was underrated. No, he is not the best defensive player ever, but he was a good defender overall. He was on three all-d second teams. He was tall, great rebounder, good at stealing the ball, smart to understand what opponents were doing, etc. Aside from quick smaller players that could sprint away from him, he was a great defensive option. Definitely NOT a liability. So he is an offensive juggernaut with a good (not great) defensive package
Draymond was actually talking about himself ....Curry ,Klay and KD have carried him throughout his career. Draymond would be obsolete in any other team's system.
My starting 5 is pg. Magic sg. Jordan sf. Bird pf. Hakeem and center Wilt. Off the bench is, pg. isiah thomas sg. Joe Dumars sf. Scottie Pippen pf. Kareem and Center Bill Russell. Magic, jordan and bird are part of the nba dream team and they even played in the nba all star games together. The players that I mentioned are my nba dream team all in there prime. I'm a detroit pistons fan and michael jordan is my favorite player even during there rivalry. The 2004 detroit pistons are still my favorite team when they try to hold teams under 70 points when they played defense. The modern era is just jacking up 3 pointers too much even early in the shot clock and they are barely any true shot blockers like rasheed wallace, ben wallace, jermaine o'neal, dikembe mutombo etc. Players complain way too much which takes away from the attention of the game and it makes it easier for opposing team to score when a player is busy complaining instead of playing defense and players flopping like fish without water on the basketball. Players are barely being held accountable since there are hardly any coaches like larry brown and mike krzyzewski. Defense barely has any advantages anymore, back in the 90s players could push off when playing on and with defense players could hand check and dictate where they want the offensive player to move. When it comes to defense I get more enjoyment out of the game, with the modern game it's too predictable and boring. I'm more into players playing defense than players playing offense. Defense takes effort just like offense but there is lack of defense due to the rules favoring offense. Hubie brown discusses the games from the past eras compared to how the games are being played now.
Of course, Bird was winning MVP's averaging 30/10/6 shooting 50/40/90 before flagrant fouls and before they got rid of hand checking ... The toughest most physical era of the NBA and he's as productive as some of the top dudes today...... On top of that underrated defender, finished 3rd in DPOY in 82-83 , 3x all defense, lead the league in defensive win shares 4x, top 10 in defensive box+/- 5x, top 11 in Defensive rating 7x .... He deserved way more All-Defenses than he got
Defense in the 1980s is pretty overrated. The dozen years between the 1978-79 through 1989-90 seasons actually mark the twelve highest FG% in NBA history. It wasn't until the mid-90s that defense started dominating and slowing down the game.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq that doesn't mean it was easier, just the selected shots that actually sought and executed were higher percentage.... Whereas the 90's on took riskier shots because defense was less harsh..... namely according to stat muse the decade average for 3's in the 80's was 3.5 a game... That jumped to 11.4 in the 90's....nice try though bro, valient effort
@@submissivelover You have some some point in that three-pointers make a difference, but it was also more points scored in transition and teams being more willing to concede long jumpers. Despite the reputation, the 1980s defense really wasn't anything to write home about. I'd actually take today's defense over the 1980s. At least teams know how to guard a fast break these days.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq but they can't defend a 3, or a drive as effectively... Hand checking, flagrant fouls, and also no 3 second rule...which the best scorers today will tell you is a far greater impedance to their scoring than anything else, and that was something 80's and 90's guys dealt with heavily
@@submissivelover The 3-second rule making a difference is a myth. The much more stringent illegal defense back in the 1980s prevented big men from camping. A 3-second rule would have been largely redundant. Videos like this one spread ignorance whenever they bring it up. They defend the 3 a LOT, LOT, LOT better today than in the 1980s. Players back then were routinely left open until they got 20 feet from the rim. They just didn't take the shot. And, yes, they're not as good at guarding the rim these days, but that's because the game is played from the perimeter and the OFFENSE creates the space to drive the lane. Something defenses in the 1980s didn't have to worry about because offenses back then obstinately refused to do the math because that's just how the game was played. The 1980s half-court offenses largely played close to the basket. Lanes were often clogged by six or eight players. Today that's offensive malpractice. You do that and the other team is going to have an easy night. See the Lakers a couple years ago when they had Lebron, Davis, and Westbrook on the same team. On paper, that's three guys that can attack the rim at an elite level by any era's standards, but It didn't work because other teams guarded them like they were from the 1980s. They packed the paint, and it was easy mode. Today's defenses CAN guard that type of limited half-court offense, even with mega-skilled players. And that's the type of looks that the offenses of 1980s were giving defenses, and they were putting the ball in the basket at a higher rate than anytime in history. Conversely, I don't think a 1980s defense would have any idea how to deal with a modern NBA offense where at any given time, 3 or 4 guys on the court at any given time will cook you from deep if you leave them open for half a second, while simultaneously trying to guard the paint and a lot of the offense was based around picks meant to give players that half second. Bird is actually a perfect example of this as he was demonstrating how vulnerable 1980s defenses were to a forward who could shoot the ball and stretch the defense while being a great passer on a nightly basis. No one knew how to handle Bird, and he didn't even have the advantage of a particularly sophisticated offense to take advantage of those skills.
Bird had it all. He could play the inside game in tight quarters. He could play the outside game. He could pass at the highest of levels, both short brilliant passes and long soaring passes down the court, ala Dan Marino. He was also excellent at rebounding and got his fair share of steals. He was also about the most clutch player you will see. He got better in tougher situations. o
It's hard to argue/not hard to see that defense looks lacking/non-existent, but I think the way offenses spread the floor now absolutely makes it harder
you like the 80's lakers, you like pat Reily? he said that if he needed a player to take a shot to win a game he would take Michael Jordan, but if he had to choose a player to take a shot to save his life, he would take the Hick from French lick. any day of the week and twice on Sunday
The only stats that need to be considered are Career per Game Stats and Accolades. The fact that the more you play the lower your Career per Game Stats drop should cancel out any bump you would get from Career Totals.
This problem isn't limited to basketball. People are already trying to diminish Tom Brady's greatness in football, and Gretzky's achievements in hockey. Both of these guys are "unathletic" by professional standards. But people always forget that there's an x factor that can never be quantified.
Wow. All these years I didn't know the 3 second rule didn't apply to defensive players. I thought it's always been a rule for both offense and defense. Wow. Thats a great point.
These dudes have no idea of how the game is not the same. They think those guys couldn't play Streetball for some reason. They literally think that the game was just invented in this era.
Larry Bird was great. He dominated his era as well as any player from any era. What more can a player do? For most people picking a single goat player comes down to being told by the media that a certain player is the goat. I remember being told that Jordan is the goat after he won his 3rd championship. Maybe even before that. How many people have actually watched enough basketball to really know. They simply believe what they are told.
Artis Gilmore warned Bird he wouldn’t last long sacrificing his body for a loose ball or any other hustle play. Bird knew that games are usually decided by even a single possession, therefore he couldn’t imagine not doing anything to win when statistics are completely irrelevant compared to winning. I don’t waste time watching Geritol James when I know that the best showdowns of all involved Bird, Magic and Toney(Andrew would never wanted to steal the thunder from Dr J & Moses- but I will promise you that the aging legends knew that the game winning shots were always nothing but net if AT took them) Toney was living his wildest dreams by being privileged to be a teammate of his favorite players he had revered since elementary school days.
BIRDS is actually greater. The simple fact that he dove for every ball within his proximity is ridiculous. He also won every fight he was in. He was embarrassing even good players, so he tool a lot of abuse. Saw him play 85 times from my Dads courtside seats as a kid. I saw him hit logo shots all the time during pre game shoot arounds.
Today's rules would allow Bird, MJ and Magic to attack the rim with more freedom. The three second rule would prevent defenders from setting up camp in the paint. The no hand checking rule and countless tick tack fouls would make it even more difficult to defend them!!!!!! They would run wild scoring!!!!
Calling Bird garbage based on one clip of him getting blocked is so lazy. There are entire compilations of Rudy Gobert getting dunked on. That doesn’t mean he’s a bad defender
After 1976 NBA-ABA Merger increased team talent density, I value Chips, Finals & Finals MVPs over 1st & 2nd Place Season MVP vote shares because they are completely subjective with no criterior. However, I do acknowledge Bird's greatness with 7 1st & 2nd Place Season MVP vote shares compared to 5 by Magic. Both also played on great teams during their peak.
There was never a basketball rivalry like Larry Bird and his Boston Celtics against Earvin “Magic” Johnson and his Los Angeles Lakers. Starting in the late 1970s, Larry Bird and Magic Johnson did legendary battles on the basketball court, first electrifying the NCAA’s March Madness tournament and then igniting a beleaguered NBA. At the 2019 NBA Lifetime Achievement Award, Bird and Magic stood side-by-side, even holding each other’s awards, as they were honored for their dual contributions to the game.
I told my Gen Z son this very same thing. Bird would destroy everybody and score 45 points per game. My son has zero basketball sense because he calls Larry Bird a plumber.
I just want to point something out in comparison of both of these 2 players just to show how alike they are but also giving praise to both of them as well! But also to prove that Larry legend would dominate the game today just like he would in the 80s if not even more so. Larry bird is 6’9 he’s a big dude jokic is 6’11 both of them are actually similar in height only bird plays small and power forward jokic plays center. Now onto passing and play style, bird and jokic are both amazing amazing high iq passers they are completely equal in that and both are absolutely magical passers and have amazing vision on the court. Not only that but both of them do a majority of their work out of the low post and are great post players, but I’d say jokic is better in the post than bird is only slightly because jokic is much wider and stronger and still keeps all the footwork and can put up great hook shots. However when it comes to shooting and mid range shooting I think bird has jokic beat in that category, bird is just a better shooter and more efficient shooter than jokic which is saying a lot because jokic is by no means a bad shooter at all. But bird has had multiple 50/40/90 seasons and was always putting up 25-35 points a night while being that efficient. Rebounding they are both actually surprisingly equal at in my opinion. Rebounding is something bird was very underrated at in his game but he averaged around 10 rebounds for a career which people forget. Bird was a big hustle player, and he always went after a loose ball jokic is a great rebounder as well though so I think he gets a slight edge there as well. Defense, now this is where some might disagree and I’ll try to prove my point. Bird is a much better defender than jokic is, jokic is a great player but bird plays better defense and it’s also a very underrated part of his game people forget about. Bird always got steals and blocks, in fact he had a game where in the start of the 4th quarter he had 9 steals, he could’ve easily gotten a quadruple double that game but sat on the bench instead. He was a great defender. Now toughness Larry also has jokic beat which is obvious as well. But at the end of the day they are both incredible players, I just thought I’d point out my thoughts and share how I see the comparison. But yeah my opinion bird would definitely torch the league today.
If Larry played in todays NBA, half the league would need a personal mental therapist
Haha bullying would be a technical foul.
He would literally get “cancelled” on Twitter for trash talk, we need him back
He is the epitome of adding insult to injury.
@@apollyon1 Ha ha ha so true -- in the dictionary under "insult to injury" it says Larry Bird.
Larry would own this league. These players today would be off their game because his of trash talk alone.
Larry Bird is my number 3 all time. I'll defend that all day. Only injuries cut him short but he still had the mvp's and the rings.
Who your 2
Bird doesn’t belong in the top 5 whatsoever
Jordan - Kareem - Bird - Hakeem - Kobe - Magic - Duncan - Robertson - Baylor: I don't believe any of these men could ever be completely shut down or shut down the other and it was glorious to watch when they matched up.@@andrehill5926
@@xzombieeffectx2611But Magic does?? Bird was a better scorer, way better shooter and way better defender than Magic. Bird should've won 4 straight MVP'S btw but they gave that pity MVP to Magic in 87
Bird got MVPs and rings battling the showtime lakers - the bad boy pistons and the upstart Jordan - did you even watch the NBA? Also his bag is deeper than James' highlight reel of flops - which is long and storied.@@xzombieeffectx2611
Actually, BIRD did pass the eye test if you really understand the game. Was blessed to see him 85 times as a young kid with my Dad’s seasons tickets from the floor. Some of his brilliance happened during warm ups & shoot arounds. For example, I recall him giving an interview while shooting free throws before a game. He was shooting lefty. He hit 37 in a row before the interview stopped. While he was doing it, he would look over at the group of young kids and their parents smiling, knowing he was putting on a show. As for shooting, overall ? I saw him hit many logo 3’s if you went in early for shoot around. Simply put, he would Smoke the league today 😊
Bird would easily average 32/8/5 on 40% from 3 if he were to play today 😂
Probably more assists tbh. he would play point forward.
R we using his skill then or if we were to translate skill. Put his skill into the modern era then no, translate it then sure
He would basically have Luka's stat-line but with higher efficiency, and much better defensively.
@@LeMeatRider911even if you used his skill back then it wouldn’t matter😂. Have you seen the passes and shots (especially in the clutch) Bird made especially in a era where dudes were allowed to clothesline you?. Bro would have a field day in todays era where nobody wouldn’t even be allowed to touch him😂
He averaged 24pt 10reb 6ast for his career so bump all those up lol, easy triple double.
Two or three generations from now the fans will trash Jokic and Luka and claim they couldn’t play in that era
By that time the nba will be a mostly European brand because of jokic and luka.
America will have moved on from the nba and nfl.
Why do you think, 50 years from now, they won’t trash every current era player?
@AXEJAYB honestly why do you think there will even be an NBA then? I don't think there will be.
Yeah but they’ll also trash lebron and his legacy saying “he got cooked by white guys like Jokic, Dirk, Luka, Steph ect. He lost more times against plumbers than he won, he can’t be the goat” lol.
@@AXEJAYB they still suck off magic and shaq dont they? Kobe tho... its all a joke.
Saying Bird wouldn’t dominate in today’s NBA is such an L take. He literally started the 50-40-90 club.
100% correct. Dumb dumb fanboy talk to even argue.
100% correct. Only dumb dumb fanboys would argue that. 😆
People who say that usually have the same criticisms for Bird as they do for Jocik and Doncik; aka they’re too slow, not enough muscles, (too white), etc.
It’s like these haters fell in love with the idea of a strong, muscular black man stereotype and now couldn’t understand why someone who doesn’t fit that look can be so good at basketball.
This is a dumb comparison. The Joker is 7 feet and outweighed prime Bird by 60 pounds. If you compare Jokic with centers from the 80's and 90's there is no comparison. A better comparison would be Bird vs KD, Luka or LeBron - modern players are flat out better, more developed handles and bigger bag. Nothing to get worked up over - 40 years from now players will be better than Steph or Luka. That is how things work. Stop living in the past.
@@philwilson609 I would better at basketball too if nobody’s guarding me every time I shoot a ball.
“Modern players are flat out better” as they flop on the ground in hopes of winning through free throws, when they’re not out for yet another six months because of an ouchy muscle pain. LMAO
Larry Bird's career vs Lebron's career is a classic example of 'Quality over Quantity'
100% Bird is more the goat than LeBron. My all time team at small forward has Bird starting and LeBron of the bench and not the other way around.
Yeah I still have Bird ahead of LeBron as a GOAT SF.
you don’t have to clown LeBron to support Larry lol they’re both goated
Absolutely Right.
@@kvltizt Lebron clowned himself when he said he was the goat. It comes with the territory.
Jokic can play, understands the game and has the will to win as a team player. Like bird.
Jokic is a great unathletic player.
And James.
@@forestgump8357 I think it's folly to say that anybody who succeeds in the NBA is "unathletic". Being able to shoot and pass at such a high level are athletic skills.
@@DanTarrant1 Ok, that is skill, he is still slow, he can't jump, he's not quick. He doesn't hit any of the markers of being an explosive athlete. I think you know what I meant. He is an incredibly skilled basketball player, with excellent eye hand coordination. Prime Bird at least was pretty fast, very quick, especially his first step and for a few years even a decent jumper even. He just had a funny build and looked 50 by the time he was 30.
Slower than Larry too. He literally stopped and looked at his feet before shooting. The D is garbage now. Larry would destroy the modern NBA.
What people don’t take into account is… Bird (and MJ and Kobe et.c) if dropped into a new era IF they found people were better than them they would GRIND until their average was on par with the best. The elite just don’t quit.
That’s why they’re called legends.
Hear hear 👍🏻
Well said. Legends would adjust with their Superior Bball IQ and killer drive!
Gen Z NBA Twitter say NBA players back then wouldn’t be able to play today because their slow and unathletic yet you got players like Jokic bussin everybody ass😂😂
Bird before the back injuries was more athletic and quicker than Jokic. Bird would do just fine in this era especially considering the advances in medical care and training.
Gen Z NBA Twitter calling previous era players slow when today’s NBA players don’t even want to run back to play defense
Bird certainly wouldn't
And Luka... Luka is averaging 35/9/10 LOL... If Bird was playing this season he would be averaging something like 40/11/10
As a part of the gen Z club, I apologise for my generations delusion
Longevity is overrated, because these new players take 10 years to accomplish anything. LEGENDS WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS IMMEDIATELY!
Who won immediately???
@@mkbzamDaryl played himself with that 😂
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Is your favorite player Jordan Poole ? Lmao
@@joebuss8835 Yes but on anteam full of HOFs, rookie fo the year by far (83 vs 3) was the Legend Bird. And then won on the second year.
He dominated the golden era of the NBA from the beguining.
This generation has no respect for Larry Bird. The guys is easily one of the greatest of all time.
Skill, IQ, and desire are what make a player great, athleticism is a part of it, but its smaller than how far those three things can get you. Larry bird had them in spades.
He did, but James does as well. That's why his career has been better than Bird's.
@@DanTarrant1 The fact that you thought about a Lebron comparison after reading this comment is alarming lol
Larry and Magic won a combined 9 NBA titles. In one decade. Why didn't ESPN post that Stat?
8 only. EIGHT!😂🤣
It's 8 actually.. Twice than Le Fraud's superteam rings
76ers and Pistons won
Larry broke his back. His back was broken.
Spinal.
It's pretty obvious why fans would say Bird doesn't pass the "eye test," and it's not because of his playing style....
Why?
@@victorwong6976 skin color. Because black people in US is one of the most racist community you will ever meet.
@victorwong6976 Don't play dumb, you know white.
@@victorwong6976Because he’s white and doesn’t fit the mold
@@victorwong6976 it's to do with a certain pigment.
Larry would DESTROY TODAY NBA. Larry dived for basketballs. Thats is why he was injured. You NEVER see any top players today diving for basketballs.
Todays players don’t even move to play defense
I think a major reason his back was injured is because he put in his Mom's driveway by himself because he didn't want to spend the money and pay someone else to do it and injured his back in doing so.
Embiid dove for a ball and got injured this year. Although tbh, he would've likely gotten injured sooner or later with the way he flops to the ground after driving to the rim.
Steven Adams dives for balls all the time at his size. But he is one of the few that does it any more.
Well, Lebron will dive for ice cubes.
Bird would be soooooo good in todays game
Have had no desire to watch any pro basketball at all until Jokic and Doncic showed up. They have IQs like Bird
Idem for me, I stoped watching NBA because of guys like Lebron, Chaq and all this bigs muscles without IQ..
It's so nice to see beautiful game and creativity again
5:50 is my favorite clip ever. It's 4-on-1 guarding him, he makes ONE fake move and they all go off in four different directions away from him like he just blinded them or something.
1:15 Kobe ask Magic about Bird saying the same kind of stuff. I can almost see Magic shake his head saying, "Come here boy. Sit down. Let me tell something ..."
I spit my food out my mouth when that guy said Bird was garbage! 🤣🤣🤣
When Bird came to the NBA the 3 Point line was introduced.
He was the First Player who had 50 40 90 Seasons.
That context is crazy.
Another VERY important fact that is often left out when comparing eras. The 3 point line didn’t exist in when Jordan and Bird played in college. It was introduced in the NBA when Bird was a rookie.
They never practiced 3 pointers growing up.
Larry would have not only dominated more now, but would have stayed healthy (if you could beg him not to dive for everything). Three most insanely competitive players I have watched with my own two eyes were Jordan, Bird and Kobe. Anyone calling Bird "garbage" is someone I'd immediately just walk away from in conversation.
Nba is such a diffecult job, only firemen and plumbers can play 82 games
Say you're a 15 yr old moron that knows nothing except what you heard other people tell you without saying it💀😂😂
Sounds like crickets in here 🤔
Still amazed that Bird averaged 50-40-90 over 4 consecutive seasons!! Look at the list of the top 10 "goats" and none of them even have one 50-40-90 season. And Bird never practiced the 3 point shot and never had it in high school or in college. Bird if he grew up today ( I believe ) would be even better than Jokic. Thanks for sharing this video.
Jokic might be a top 50 player all time. Maybe. Bird is at least top 10. For me, he is top 2.
Bird only had 2 legit 50-40-90 seasons... 1986-87 and 1987-88 seasons. In 1984-85, he shot just 88.2 FT%, while 1985-86, he was just 49.6 FG% and 89.6 FT%.
@@mr.sinjin-smyth Yes, I know = Bird just missed in the 85 and in the 86 season. If you take Bird's cumulative stats over those 4 seasons , he actually averaged 50-40-90 as the 87 and 88 numbers were high enough to pull up the 85 and 86 numbers to average 50-40-90.
@@mrho4speed Oh, okay that makes perfect sense. That 4 year stretch quality wise is far superior compared to most players in today's NBA. There's a reason why Bird is consistently in any Top 5 rankings and GOAT conversations. He is just that great and legendary.
Yup- & if he played today, he would start another club. He would be practicing rhe 3 ball all the time, & therefore would be the first player ever to average 40% or higherr from the ARC with his left & right hand 😀
One of the many great things about growing up in the 1980s was watching guys like Larry Bird play live. I modelled my own game off him as best I could, because I had a similar physique and couldn’t out-muscle the stronger guys. And it worked, too. I never played near this level, but in my circles I had the respect of many who were bigger and more athletic. The body has physical limits, but if you learn to play smart, you can run with almost anyone.
Larry Bird without handshaking is scarier than a coco in the closset
Bird and jokic proved that high IQ with killer mentality is more important than just super athletic
This is actually a really great take for a video...
Bird would just be a slightly smaller version with a higher motor... he would be epic
Larry the legend, the real GOAT for me. Hails from Madrid, Spain.
All players back then would be bigger, faster and stronger if they played in the NBA today.
Bird was a beast.
Bird was incredible. But the weirdest thing is the idea that he played against non-athletic talent. What the hell are people talking about? The league back then was filled with huge dudes with muscles (p.s. yes, guys also used roids). Yeah, maybe the training advances make today's guys a little more athletic, but playing 82 games a year plus practices is going get anyone's athletic skills buffed up. There's no that much room to grow. Dominique, Jordan, Hakeem, Cooper, Malone, Barkley, Pippen, Rodman = the list of crazy athletes could go on for ever and Bird lit them all up.
Larry Bird with this era's defence and the "new juice" from Miami... 30++ ppg. While making the league cry from the trash talk.
I agree with Larry Bird on this one: Every 80/90s player thinking they are way better than todays players is a fool.
Current players couldn't play in the 80's or 90's NBA, just due to travelling calls.
1:51 that was a carry over the shoulder😂...refs suck😂😂
Anyone claiming Bird wasn't a boss doesn't know ball
In today’s NBA no one knows what an offensive rebound is.
This comes down to a double standard, if the game is constantly evolving and so much better why do must players not even play 82 games? And why do most players get allowed to carry the ball and travel? Theirs not one skill in today's game that's so much better guys back in the 80's and 90's we're not allowed to dribble and carry the same way modern players can it's why Bob cousey looks like he doesn't know to dribble because they were only allowed to go on top of the ball, the game has evolved in jump shooting but it lacks effort on defense it's not bad but it's really just effort and very soft foul calls. The biggest thing is imagine in 20 years they say LeBron couldn't play in that era? Like ohh "LeBron doesn't have a left hand, he can't shoot past 5 ft, he only uses bully ball and running to the rim to score" yk how annoying that would be for bron fans? It would be annoying to me as well even if I'm not a bron fan it's disrespectful the literal top ten greatest players ever couldn't survive today is dumb if people can acknowledge the greatest of this current era would be able to adapt and play well in future eras why do they then turn and say 80's and 90's all time greats wouldnt be as good today.
I think the reason that players don't put in 82 games anymore is two-fold.
1. I believe that they're starting too young. It used to be that players were 21 or 22 before they got to the NBA. Before that they played a relatively light schedule in college. This gave their bodies time to finish maturing before they were asked to join the NBA. And that's saying nothing of the AAU meat grinder burning them out in high school.
2. The game is legitimately faster and requires much harsher stops, starts, and cuts. It's generally murder on soft tissue. The human body may not be built for today's game.
Larry bird is a bad bad white boy. The kind of player with a killermentality and definitely a skill player
I Imagine Larry trashtalking Joker and him replaying "I'm 47, my guy" Iconic moment ever😂😂😂
I don't think Larry could have been better than Joker, but the rivalry between this two would have been the most extraordinary of all time, and Joker is the only that Larry said he would have liked to play against. Thats says it all say❤❤.
What really strikes me about that image is that LaBron has 4 (3.5?) championships and Bird and Johnson have 8. And those two did it in half the amount of time it's taken LaBron.
Then your basketball card should be taken. The Lakers and Celtics had great teams.
@@damianpresha9833 lol what are you talking about? That was my point - the Celtics with Bird and the Lakers with Johnson were so dominant in the 80s. LaBron has never been dominant with any singular team for any period of time.
Doesn’t really matter what people think. I know what I saw and Bird was the best small forward ever.
WE DONE WITH DA 90's
Larry Bird is basically a better shooting version of Luka. If Luka is going 33-9-8 imagine what Bird would do in today’s NBA.
Throughout Bird’s NBA career he only didn’t finish top 5 in MVP voting twice: His rookie year and his final year which was completely plagued by injury.
With Bird’s shooting ability, his vision/passing skills, his superior height at 6’10” and his shot and the amount of 3s taken in today’s NBA I wouldn’t put it past him to have multiple seasons of averaging a 35 point triple double.
Again; for those who don’t know, Bird is basically a taller Luka who played in the NBA when no one shot triples.
If Bird played in today’s NBA taking 7-10 3s a game he would lead the league in scoring.
Bird actually came in 4th in MVP voting his rookie year. He was outside the Top 5 his last three years in the league.
better passer too.. with a higher BB IQ
If leBron’s the GOAT, then so is Hank Aaron. Nobody has ever accused Hank of even being the best at his own position. Longevity.
Larry made some of the greatest 80s players look like they were fresh out of college. He would make many of todays players look like they never picked up a basketball. Even in his prime there were all these players and fans saying “Bird is nothing.” “He’s slow” “He’s not athletic” “He’s got no style” “If he were black he’d just be another half decent player.” But after they played him, or after their heroes played him, you didn’t hear that shit anymore. All you saw were broken men at a time when basketball was played by tough guys. If you put these modern players against the kind of beasts that were playing in the days of those Celtics or those Pistons, they would be crying like little babies.
The spacing alone now. That they allow. Would make Bird even more dangerous.
I also think even for his prime he was underrated. No, he is not the best defensive player ever, but he was a good defender overall. He was on three all-d second teams. He was tall, great rebounder, good at stealing the ball, smart to understand what opponents were doing, etc. Aside from quick smaller players that could sprint away from him, he was a great defensive option. Definitely NOT a liability. So he is an offensive juggernaut with a good (not great) defensive package
Larry has more grit, drive, and Bball IQ in his jock strap than the entire modern league minus Jokic and Luka
Draymond was actually talking about himself ....Curry ,Klay and KD have carried him throughout his career. Draymond would be obsolete in any other team's system.
True. Green filled a role in that team that elevated him to a status within the NBA he would not have otherwise.
The eye test isn’t athleticism. The eye test is me watching someone’s game and seeing what they are good at.
My starting 5 is pg. Magic sg. Jordan sf. Bird pf. Hakeem and center Wilt. Off the bench is, pg. isiah thomas sg. Joe Dumars sf. Scottie Pippen pf. Kareem and Center Bill Russell. Magic, jordan and bird are part of the nba dream team and they even played in the nba all star games together. The players that I mentioned are my nba dream team all in there prime. I'm a detroit pistons fan and michael jordan is my favorite player even during there rivalry. The 2004 detroit pistons are still my favorite team when they try to hold teams under 70 points when they played defense. The modern era is just jacking up 3 pointers too much even early in the shot clock and they are barely any true shot blockers like rasheed wallace, ben wallace, jermaine o'neal, dikembe mutombo etc. Players complain way too much which takes away from the attention of the game and it makes it easier for opposing team to score when a player is busy complaining instead of playing defense and players flopping like fish without water on the basketball. Players are barely being held accountable since there are hardly any coaches like larry brown and mike krzyzewski. Defense barely has any advantages anymore, back in the 90s players could push off when playing on and with defense players could hand check and dictate where they want the offensive player to move. When it comes to defense I get more enjoyment out of the game, with the modern game it's too predictable and boring. I'm more into players playing defense than players playing offense. Defense takes effort just like offense but there is lack of defense due to the rules favoring offense. Hubie brown discusses the games from the past eras compared to how the games are being played now.
It would be a miracle if NBA officials would call offensive players for 3 seconds in the paint and for traveling.
I cant imagine how many threes he would have made. Negligible defense today compared to his era.
If they say bird can't play today they don't know basketball.
Of course, Bird was winning MVP's averaging 30/10/6 shooting 50/40/90 before flagrant fouls and before they got rid of hand checking ... The toughest most physical era of the NBA and he's as productive as some of the top dudes today...... On top of that underrated defender, finished 3rd in DPOY in 82-83 , 3x all defense, lead the league in defensive win shares 4x, top 10 in defensive box+/- 5x, top 11 in Defensive rating 7x .... He deserved way more All-Defenses than he got
Defense in the 1980s is pretty overrated. The dozen years between the 1978-79 through 1989-90 seasons actually mark the twelve highest FG% in NBA history.
It wasn't until the mid-90s that defense started dominating and slowing down the game.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq that doesn't mean it was easier, just the selected shots that actually sought and executed were higher percentage.... Whereas the 90's on took riskier shots because defense was less harsh..... namely according to stat muse the decade average for 3's in the 80's was 3.5 a game... That jumped to 11.4 in the 90's....nice try though bro, valient effort
@@submissivelover You have some some point in that three-pointers make a difference, but it was also more points scored in transition and teams being more willing to concede long jumpers.
Despite the reputation, the 1980s defense really wasn't anything to write home about. I'd actually take today's defense over the 1980s. At least teams know how to guard a fast break these days.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq but they can't defend a 3, or a drive as effectively... Hand checking, flagrant fouls, and also no 3 second rule...which the best scorers today will tell you is a far greater impedance to their scoring than anything else, and that was something 80's and 90's guys dealt with heavily
@@submissivelover The 3-second rule making a difference is a myth. The much more stringent illegal defense back in the 1980s prevented big men from camping. A 3-second rule would have been largely redundant. Videos like this one spread ignorance whenever they bring it up.
They defend the 3 a LOT, LOT, LOT better today than in the 1980s. Players back then were routinely left open until they got 20 feet from the rim. They just didn't take the shot. And, yes, they're not as good at guarding the rim these days, but that's because the game is played from the perimeter and the OFFENSE creates the space to drive the lane. Something defenses in the 1980s didn't have to worry about because offenses back then obstinately refused to do the math because that's just how the game was played.
The 1980s half-court offenses largely played close to the basket. Lanes were often clogged by six or eight players. Today that's offensive malpractice. You do that and the other team is going to have an easy night. See the Lakers a couple years ago when they had Lebron, Davis, and Westbrook on the same team. On paper, that's three guys that can attack the rim at an elite level by any era's standards, but It didn't work because other teams guarded them like they were from the 1980s. They packed the paint, and it was easy mode. Today's defenses CAN guard that type of limited half-court offense, even with mega-skilled players. And that's the type of looks that the offenses of 1980s were giving defenses, and they were putting the ball in the basket at a higher rate than anytime in history.
Conversely, I don't think a 1980s defense would have any idea how to deal with a modern NBA offense where at any given time, 3 or 4 guys on the court at any given time will cook you from deep if you leave them open for half a second, while simultaneously trying to guard the paint and a lot of the offense was based around picks meant to give players that half second.
Bird is actually a perfect example of this as he was demonstrating how vulnerable 1980s defenses were to a forward who could shoot the ball and stretch the defense while being a great passer on a nightly basis.
No one knew how to handle Bird, and he didn't even have the advantage of a particularly sophisticated offense to take advantage of those skills.
Bird had it all. He could play the inside game in tight quarters. He could play the outside game. He could pass at the highest of levels, both short brilliant passes and long soaring passes down the court, ala Dan Marino. He was also excellent at rebounding and got his fair share of steals. He was also about the most clutch player you will see. He got better in tougher situations. o
Magic and Bird #1 and #2 winning percentage. The game is about winning.
I would say Bird is the player who's game would translate the best to the modern game.
This is what i am saying with other nba fans of this era. Bird can dominate because his moves is just like Jokic. They dont want to believe it. 😂😂😂
Lebron would have been lucky to last 15 years if he played in Bird's era.
Kareem's point totals would still reign supreme.
Imagine Larry on today’s steroids. He could have extended his prime by another 7 years
It's hard to argue/not hard to see that defense looks lacking/non-existent, but I think the way offenses spread the floor now absolutely makes it harder
All I know is that Larry Bird would have never been shut down by Jason Terry in the NBA finals.
you like the 80's lakers, you like pat Reily? he said that if he needed a player to take a shot to win a game he would take Michael Jordan, but if he had to choose a player to take a shot to save his life, he would take the Hick from French lick.
any day of the week and twice on Sunday
The only stats that need to be considered are Career per Game Stats and Accolades. The fact that the more you play the lower your Career per Game Stats drop should cancel out any bump you would get from Career Totals.
This problem isn't limited to basketball. People are already trying to diminish Tom Brady's greatness in football, and Gretzky's achievements in hockey. Both of these guys are "unathletic" by professional standards. But people always forget that there's an x factor that can never be quantified.
Dremond Green said that Jokic is the most conditioned player on the court. Saying he is “fat” is ignorant.
Wow. All these years I didn't know the 3 second rule didn't apply to defensive players. I thought it's always been a rule for both offense and defense. Wow. Thats a great point.
Bird numbers consistently dropped in the playoffs
These dudes have no idea of how the game is not the same. They think those guys couldn't play Streetball for some reason. They literally think that the game was just invented in this era.
Larry Bird was great. He dominated his era as well as any player from any era. What more can a player do? For most people picking a single goat player comes down to being told by the media that a certain player is the goat. I remember being told that Jordan is the goat after he won his 3rd championship. Maybe even before that. How many people have actually watched enough basketball to really know. They simply believe what they are told.
Nikola would have dominate back then too
Artis Gilmore warned Bird he wouldn’t last long sacrificing his body for a loose ball or any other hustle play. Bird knew that games are usually decided by even a single possession, therefore he couldn’t imagine not doing anything to win when statistics are completely irrelevant compared to winning. I don’t waste time watching Geritol James when I know that the best showdowns of all involved Bird, Magic and Toney(Andrew would never wanted to steal the thunder from Dr J & Moses- but I will promise you that the aging legends knew that the game winning shots were always nothing but net if AT took them) Toney was living his wildest dreams by being privileged to be a teammate of his favorite players he had revered since elementary school days.
In my opinion, Bird is the GOAT. He could do it all.
Bird and Jokic have a harder work ethic
BIRDS is actually greater. The simple fact that he dove for every ball within his proximity is ridiculous. He also won every fight he was in. He was embarrassing even good players, so he tool a lot of abuse. Saw him play 85 times from my Dads courtside seats as a kid. I saw him hit logo shots all the time during pre game shoot arounds.
Bird will forever be my favorite basketball player ever. The greatest to ever do it.
Today's rules would allow Bird, MJ and Magic to attack the rim with more freedom. The three second rule would prevent defenders from setting up camp in the paint. The no hand checking rule and countless tick tack fouls would make it even more difficult to defend them!!!!!! They would run wild scoring!!!!
Today's fan,40 and under, think NBA started with Lefraud and Curry
😌 Bird would cook this era, same as he did in his era!
Skills pay the bills
Calling Bird garbage based on one clip of him getting blocked is so lazy. There are entire compilations of Rudy Gobert getting dunked on. That doesn’t mean he’s a bad defender
Magic only played thirteen seasons. And between them, they have eight titles.
Could you imagine Rodmon guarding LeBron?
Calling Bird garbage is just disrespectful
After 1976 NBA-ABA Merger increased team talent density, I value Chips, Finals & Finals MVPs over 1st & 2nd Place Season MVP vote shares because they are completely subjective with no criterior. However, I do acknowledge Bird's greatness with 7 1st & 2nd Place Season MVP vote shares compared to 5 by Magic. Both also played on great teams during their peak.
There was never a basketball rivalry like Larry Bird and his Boston Celtics against Earvin “Magic” Johnson and his Los Angeles Lakers.
Starting in the late 1970s, Larry Bird and Magic Johnson did legendary battles on the basketball court, first electrifying the NCAA’s March Madness tournament and then igniting a beleaguered NBA.
At the 2019 NBA Lifetime Achievement Award, Bird and Magic stood side-by-side, even holding each other’s awards, as they were honored for their dual contributions to the game.
The game isn’t all about scoring. There are so many more aspects to the game that contribute to making a player great.
I told my Gen Z son this very same thing. Bird would destroy everybody and score 45 points per game. My son has zero basketball sense because he calls Larry Bird a plumber.
As that famous philosopher said. Woop damn do!😂
My man knows who the goats are!
I have Bird as #3 all-time. Jordan is #1, Bill Russell is #2, Bird is 3rd.
I just want to point something out in comparison of both of these 2 players just to show how alike they are but also giving praise to both of them as well! But also to prove that Larry legend would dominate the game today just like he would in the 80s if not even more so.
Larry bird is 6’9 he’s a big dude jokic is 6’11 both of them are actually similar in height only bird plays small and power forward jokic plays center.
Now onto passing and play style, bird and jokic are both amazing amazing high iq passers they are completely equal in that and both are absolutely magical passers and have amazing vision on the court. Not only that but both of them do a majority of their work out of the low post and are great post players, but I’d say jokic is better in the post than bird is only slightly because jokic is much wider and stronger and still keeps all the footwork and can put up great hook shots.
However when it comes to shooting and mid range shooting I think bird has jokic beat in that category, bird is just a better shooter and more efficient shooter than jokic which is saying a lot because jokic is by no means a bad shooter at all. But bird has had multiple 50/40/90 seasons and was always putting up 25-35 points a night while being that efficient.
Rebounding they are both actually surprisingly equal at in my opinion. Rebounding is something bird was very underrated at in his game but he averaged around 10 rebounds for a career which people forget. Bird was a big hustle player, and he always went after a loose ball jokic is a great rebounder as well though so I think he gets a slight edge there as well.
Defense, now this is where some might disagree and I’ll try to prove my point. Bird is a much better defender than jokic is, jokic is a great player but bird plays better defense and it’s also a very underrated part of his game people forget about. Bird always got steals and blocks, in fact he had a game where in the start of the 4th quarter he had 9 steals, he could’ve easily gotten a quadruple double that game but sat on the bench instead. He was a great defender.
Now toughness Larry also has jokic beat which is obvious as well.
But at the end of the day they are both incredible players, I just thought I’d point out my thoughts and share how I see the comparison. But yeah my opinion bird would definitely torch the league today.
LARRY BIRD IS THE GOAT.
If Larry Bird was still here he would win us some more championships and make some of the other players work for McDonald’s
Longevity doesnt count if pumped full of Balco.