I'd love to know when there was a fight in this NBA lately...Back in the 80s and 90s it occured a lot ... Now these guys don't need to fight cause there is no phisicallaty no D who you gonna fight when you can score at will...NBA is weak... Let's bring back the real NBA with some Defense Show some Kahones NBA...
15 seasons and ONE compĺete 82 game season. Bird played 4 or 5 complete seasons. But yeah. No difference in "physicality". You could only finish ONE SEASON IN THE "MODERN ERA" REDDICK. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT PHYSICALITY BECAUSE YOU ONLY PHYSICALLY FINISHED ONE SEASON!
Cooper would not get that chance.If so happen that JJ is fortunate enough to be born earlier and played in the 80s,He would be just sitting on the bench cause coach would not played his style of game.He might be one of those plumbers hes talking about.He didnt make it With the advantage of training and nutrition in the modern day nba .what makes him think he can do better without it in the 80s.SAd thing about soial media is nobody gts punch in the mouth anymore for saying stupid issh!
“If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game, I'd choose Michael Jordan. If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life, I'd take Larry Bird.” Pat Riley
Larry Bird is my nominee for the “NBAs Toughest SOB” award of all time. The guy played with injuries that would have sidelined guys today for months if not the season. And not only did he play, he played exceptionally well and dominated in many of those games.
Wearing a full torso back brace he shot a 47 point game. The man was superhuman! NO ONE in today's NBA would even consider playing a game in that condition. Even if by some miracle one was willing to do so, there's no way in hell they'd get 47 points! They just don't make them like that anymore.
you don't remember when isaiah thomas came back to play in 1 leg after injuring really bad and he took over and won that game that was unbelievable and don't forget kobe bryant too but i agreed with you about larry bird he was really special. Greetings
Redick is what is called an articulate idiot. The guy is as dumb as a dog. Unfortunately, the general public is dumber and some are the same but cannot mount an argument against JJ. I'm sure JJ's IQ is less than 90.
@@RemoWilliams1227 No trouble. If the three pt shot was required, Bird would have honed in "all net" mode like he did to win 3pete 3pt contest. In other words, Nobody compares to Legendary Larry. Keep in mind, Larry had to make adjustments to his game his entire career. Including ending 5 years without a back. Again Larry put out above average numbers to the end. The End
I’m from Detroit. They called them the Bad Boys for a reason. Those games were brutal. It seemed like the East was worse than the west, but there were no easy layups in those days
I think it's calculated. Being sensible/logical doesn't make you any money in his profession. It has to be self promotion, doesn't it? Surely he can't believe that.
In the 80s, Reddick would have spent 2 hours with the trainer getting the pine splinters dug out of his ass. He would have had a 2-3 year career had he Played in the 80s
JJ forget the 3pt line was applied in the NBA in 1979 and completely adapted in the NCAA in 1986. Players like Bird and Magic did not have the benefit of practicing the 3 when they were in college or before that. Unlike players today work on their 3 ball majority of time.
@@craigbromiley7837 not really. Players in the 80s actually shot the 3 extremely well considering that. Attempted way less but made shots when they needed to without the benefits plyers have today. The different factors from different eras actually means they are incomparable because of it. And you or JJ cannot truly say who was better.
@@videozz2012Alpha Male doesn’t mean what you think it’s supposed to mean. Alpha means a leader that protects the rest of the pact. It’s a leader that makes sure the weakest link has an opportunity to survive. Males that have insecurity issues have turned the word Alpha Male into a term of “will kill anything in front to survive and everyone else for themselves” which is completely wrong.
Oh yeah, JJ is right. Teams like the Pistons were known for their charitable work and picking flowers before games. Bill Laimbeer 100% most lovable player during his time, known for his gentleness and hugs.
It's true! I myself witnessed Isiah and Bill leading sing alongs of kumbaya with the opposing Celtics and Bulls while Bill Mahorn was doing sensitivity training sessions with other players! 🤣🤣🤣
In Curry’s Unanimous MVP season, he was shooting 45.4% from 3, which was 28% higher than the league average. In Bird’s 1985 MVP season, he shot 42.3%, which was 51% higher than the league average. Considering Bird shot threes in the clutch. I don’t think there needs to be a debate. We know who the greatest shooter of all time is.
51% higher than the league average? Firstly learn how percentages work. Curry wasn’t 28% higher than the league average and Bird definitely was 51% higher than the league average. Also JJ literally says in the video that Larry is one of the greatest shooters ever. Just he isn’t the greatest THREE POINT SHOOTER. I swear to god. None of these comments and no one in this video actually listened to what JJ said.
@@OldBenKenobi2318 He's using %s to compare with percentages. He's saying the league average was 35.47 whereas Curry was at 45.4 which is 28% higher than 35.47. Whereas during Bird's season of 42.3, the league average was 28.01, so Bird's number is 51% higher than the average. Technically they're both percentages, so it's not really difficult to figure out what he meant. The point is the same, Larry was better than league average by a bigger margin than Curry was better than league average.
@@t.yop9 That's like saying a 10 year old taking a calculus test was 50% better than other 10 year olds is better at math than the 20 year old who was 5% better than other 20 year olds. The comparative difference is irrelevant if the standard is "greatest of all time." The only metrics that count are volume of shots, percentage made, and location of the 3-point line. Anyone who is arguing Curry is not currently the greatest 3-point shooter of all time is...there's no point debating those people.
@@icekyuuno it not the same. They are compared against the same not against 10y old or 20 y old. They are compared against the average of the NBA which forms. Benchmark of comparison. There is inflation in all numbers. The baencmark reduces the ilpact of inflation. And by the way the percentages are complete bogus they are not the point of great player. Percentages are omitting most important info of shooting. Bird is the greatest 3 point shooter in NBA history and in Europe greatest 3 point shooter in history is Spanoulis. Percentages not required it is the shots that are required. The times the shots changed stuff. Percentages are crap metric and NBA and US have gotten obsessed with them although they have alot of stuff omitted. And then players chace these numbers which are empty and vacant. Doncic scored 73 and only 15 - 20 points were hard ith most poijts ludicrously easy and uninetersting without defence or withiut any obstacle withij the rim. An uninteresting vacant 73 points except for 15-18 true hard points. This was more like 35 point game. But prople check bacantly the gross inaccurate metrics which dont say much.
Bird gave credit to Michael Cooper for being the hardest defender he had to face, especially in the '87 finals. I'd say he knows a LOT more than Redick.
Reddick is saying that because he was a shooter specialist. All the contact he ever got was when he was running around tired and guys were holding and bumping him. But he fails to realize if the bigger players were able to actually use their strength like back then his role wouldn't even exist
Larry walked into the locker room before the 3 point shoot out and asked whos coming in second tonight. If JJ attempted that I’m pretty sure the locker room would laugh at him and not with him.
Michael Cooper was a hell of a defender, and I've always respected his game, but that respect went up 2 levels today, he understands and respects the history of the game. Props to his passion for the game.
I love how newer age guys take ONE shot at 80s 90s eras and they’re all up in arms as if they don’t constantly bitch and moan about todays game. Young people will trash their era because they are fuckin annoying
You missed the point. The best shooters of the 70's and 80's would be just as good as the shooters now. If they played now they would practice shooting it all the time. Also, if today's shooters played back in those era's they would not shoot as well because of not shooting it as much in practice. Some of them wouldn't even make it to the NBA. Like JJ
@@Paul15. I missed the point because it's NOT a point! On what other occasion have we looked at stats and bent logic to agree that someone COULD and WOULD have done something different? I can't give you "credit" for doing something which you didn't actually do! Roberto Clemente died having amassed EXACTLY 3,000 hits... If he had finished with 2,999, as sad as circumstances were, I couldn't give him credit for another hit (which he hadn't actually earned) no matter how much I might believe in him... Every action you take prevents you from expending that same time on another activity... If the great shooters of the '80s and '90s paid more attention to three-point shooting, then they would be taking time from practicing another part of their game... These events and proposed changes don't occur in a vacuum... So, even "if" they made themselves better shooters by practicing, some other activity is likely to suffer because it would be practiced less as a result...
That’s like comparing QBs today who all throw for 4000 yards and saying they’re better than Joe Montana’s/Aikman/ etc. the game is different, the rules are different. Bird didn’t play in an era where they shot nothing but 3 pointers.. doesn’t mean he isn’t one of the best.
@@TheVlad1616 Two things wrong with your comment... It's off-base AND not relevant... First... Redick stated that Bird WASN'T Top 5 in 3-point shooting... This is NOT an insult!! You CAN be great without being Top 5!! The point which folks are arguing, vehemently, is that Bird has been disrespected and is (like) Top 3, I guess... Second? I turn your attention to Home Run Baker... Before Babe Ruth, he led the Leagues in HRs for several years and won three or four consecutive MVPs... His greatest HR total was (trumpets, please) only 12!!!! Oddly enough, that's not even a Baker's Dozen!! NOBODY ever discusses him as one of the best (at anything) ever!!
I think the three pointer was introduced in the NBA during Birds rookie year and wasn't adopted by NCAA until 1986. So, it's not like it was something he grew up doing, just another thing to consider.
@@jxm1677 Not a single person felt bad for Laimbeer, probably not even Bill himself. I wonder how many of today's superstars would even survive a single game against him and the Bad Boys. Not literally die, but retire from the game shortly after, or fake injuries quick every following year they went up against them.
@@tugboat6940 Bird is one of the smartest and toughest player in this game, if he was playing today he will be smart enough to be on the top 5. coz the player today learn from the past that's why they are better player, if they play in the past the new player will they be as good as today if they didn't have somebody to copy they will not be beter if they play with the time this player play. Even Kobe said I copy all my moves on M Jordan
@@roddizon2242 so we're just gonna call him the greatest shooter of all time because he maybe, possibly would be have been a better shooter had he played today? Really?
@@tugboat6940 No sir, Basketball is always revolving, you cannot say Bird or Curry as the best shooter of all times, cause basketball is still growing and improving. Smart player will always find a way to the top and will find weakness in other players or team, We are human beings that always trying to improve a swimmer or runner record doesn't last , it is also the same in basketball.
I’d like to preface this by saying that I played basketball in NYC in an all black high school and got my nick name from the brothers playing at The Cage and at Rucker Park. We were all trying to emulate what Larry bird was doing on the playground and it was impossible for us. However, I remember hearing what Pat Riley said, “If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game, I’d choose Michael Jordan, but if I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life, I’d take Larry Bird."
"I used to spar around a lot in the joint. It was just me and a bunch of the brothers. By the time I got out of there, they all had respect for me, Charlie. Of course, got my nose broken 3 times in 3 years. What the hell, a broken nose ain't gonna kill you." --Ray Sinclair
And it was during those two years when the line was moved closer that MJ made the majority of his 3 pointers. If you remove MJ's 3 point shooting stats for those 2 years the line was moved closer, you would clearly see that Kobe is the better 3 point shooter. But since most don't realize this, people get the impression MJ and Kobe shot the 3 pointer at a very similar efficiency when they compare their career 3 point percentages.
Not for nothing, Draymond dropped Jordan Poole and didn't get much for it. GS front office was channeling the 80s. If Green tried that with Shaq he'd be a corpse.@DisinterestedSimp
It's just as physical as it's always been. Except for a different type of physical. In the 80s they fouled each other but today they do a lot more running to cover the court. For example, centers have to cover from the paint to the 3 point line now and all five players spend a lot of time running from side to side and fighting over multiple screens.
I could be wrong but I remember a three-point shootout during the All-star break when he missed just one shot. It's the closest I ever saw a player make all of his attempts.
If Redick was playing horse against Bird, I'm taking Bird every day of the week. He was a player who could make any trick shot in the book. He could make any of those crazy, unbelievable shots that you see on RUclips today.
The physicality in the 80's crossed all kind of lines according to todays rules, the players even played hurt and the fans loved it, The rivalries were real because they seem to love their cities, their teams and hated their opponents (in a competitive sense) , the league is still good today but back then for fans (just like the players) it was all about our team and our team only.
Now it's more about the players personal feelings than what's good for the team, they should get paid by the game that way they won't sit out half the season if they catch a cold.
I don't think the league is good. It's filled with political nonsense, players who have no loyalty, players that need time off etc. Etc. Ask Jordan, Bird, Magic, West, Willis Reed and the former greats to take a rest day, they'll tell you to go stick it
The thing I dislike most in today’s game is the phantom fouls. There’s been countless times the defender didn’t even touch the ball handler and he gets called for a foul. So many times I had a confused face with my jaw wide open.
In the past 50 years, here are the highest Total Career Avg Stat Points (PTS + REB + AST + STL + BLK) #1) Jordan = 44.7 #2) LeBron = 44.4 #3) Bird = 43.1 #4) Kareem = 42.9 Curry is #31 with 37.5 That's just to put things into to perspective
Larry Bird did more than shoot threes, he led team in rebounds one year, he led team in assists, he led team in scoring. Nobody shot more game winning threes than Bird. Birds passing was second only to Magic. Watch Bird vs Lambeer Pistons and you realize the difference between physicality. JJ Redick says he can show physicality in both gereations. What you cannot show is the bloodshed, hurt backs, headlocks, etc that take a serious toll on the body. Player today have no idea what went on back then.
The 3-pointer took all of the heart out of basketball. The 80's had the right balance of threes and an inside game. It is what it is, you can't go back unless you take away the three point line altogether, which will never happen. but if you did, none of today's teams could hold a candle to the great teams of the 80s and early 90s. Celtics-Lakers in the 80's was the golden era of basketball and today's game is a glorified game of horse.
Redick is just trying to get attention, I think. Everyone knows that he is incorrect with his statement about Larry Bird and the basketball games in the 80's.
Larry Bird is the only player that I've ever heard of that has players on the opposing team get fined for showing their fanship while getting their behinds handed to them. Tell this kid to go watch the game where Bird dropped 60 on Atlanta and tell him to be quiet.
@drwatsonca6945 I watched Ainge play too, and he was a lot better than Reddic. Hell, Ainge was an All Star. Not only was he much better off the dribble and a better defender than JJ, but he also was quicker than him as well...
@@drwatsonca6945 Actually Danny Ainge was a great player that probably goes into the hof if he doesn’t play on a team with 5 other hof’s. He was a superb spot up shooter, 3 point contest runner up twice, great defensive player, passer and drove opposing teams crazy. Go watch the mid 80’s Celtics. He was a big ass reason they were so good.
Basketball is the only sport where people actively hate the OG Legends. In futbol we respect Ronaldinho, Maldini, Zidane. In boxing we respect Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard. In tennis we respect Sampras and Agassi. We recognize that we are standing in the shoulders of giants.
He also started his Celtics career with a severe hand injury from softball that permanently weakened his feel with the basketball. Had he not gotten injured he'd have been even BETTER.
The best thing about Larry, he could see the flow of the game and orchestrate it to perfection, whether it be a pass or making a shot. It ain't about how much Larry (or anyone else) shot or the average of a three point shot or a long range jumper; it's about when to take and make the shot, not just jack-up those three point shots until making it. Just like Pat Riley says, I'd definitely would want Larry to take the last shot to save the life.
@Joey Tatum I like Dame, but he has never won a championship. He doesn't belong in this argument. Most people who listen to j.j. Redick aren't old enough to have seen Larry Bird clutch play win championships games
MILLER AND BIRD THEY HIT THOSE 3'S WHEN U GETTING CLOSE OR U NEED TO GET CLOSER TO LEADING TEAM WHO TRY TO MAKE A RUN. OPPOSITE OF JHJ REDICK WHO CANT SHOOT WITHOUT SCREEN AND USUALLY MISS MOST MATTER SHOOTS AND LAST BUZZER BEATERS TOO,
Problem is Bird did have the numbers! In the playoffs Bird shot something to the tune of 42.7% from 3 pt range. Curry who many think is a better shooter than Bird(but I do not) is shooting 39.8% from 3 pt range. Maybe Curry has a better average during the season but Bird for his career only took 1.9 attempts per game from 3pt line. Bird has said he didn’t even practice the 3pt shot! Imagine if he practiced it!!!
Agreed. No one shot threes at a high output in the 80's NBA because it was just a completely different league. JJ makes his argument waving around the stats, but not the context by design. This is coming from an almost strictly niche, 3 point shooter for his career in Reddick. Basically what he really implied was that HE was a better 3 point shooter than Bird, but used Curry so he didn't look like an asshat.
Bird used the three strategically, either to demoralize the other team at strategic moments or to win games at the end. 90% of the time he would get the ball at the end of close games. Today's game is totally different. More wide-open with many good three point shooters.
The Bad boys were there to play physical against Bird. And Bird walked into the 3point shooting contest at the all-star game and said to the contestants who is taking second . Bird won it too. Bird 3point clinic completed. Lol
A 3-point contest (where there's no defense) on one day per season proves NOTHING... Except, I can make 3-point shots (better than you) when I'm in a non-game situation where I may shoot repeatedly...
JJ thinks the league today is as physical as the 80’s…We went from having a 3-point contest in the All Star break to converting the entire season into a 3-point contest. Gary Payton would have been inside Steph Currys jersey in the 90’s. Now a hiccup is called a personal foul.
The NBA changed a number of rules because in their opinion, it was way too physical. JJ Redick played under the new rules. Why does he think they change the rules in the first place?
Also remember that the 3-point shootout in the 80s didn’t have 2-pointer balls in every rack. So Bird’s total would actually be higher if he competed today. Bird’s score of 24 would probably be 28 today and it would beat 99% of 3-point competitors today.
They changed the rules - in particular enforcing hand checking - to make it easier for perimeter players to score. They wanted to give teams with top perimeter players a better chance to compete against a team with top big men. The first 3-peat Bulls were the only dynasty without a top big man, and ratings hit record highs during the 90s. Rating dropped during the early 2000s as Shaq, Duncan, etc were dominating the league. They figured out it was more exciting to watch perimeter players dominate than big men, which allowed perimeter players to shoot 3s unobstructed. Perimeter players TS% immediately jumped in 2004-2005, then teams slowly figured out how to fully take advantage of the new rules.
@@joek5078 I could see that. Me personally, I enjoy watching clips of the 2000’s game (Shaq and Duncan are two of my favorite players actually), but I could see why some would call it less entertaining as other eras. One other thing that hurt the 00’s as far as popularity goes: A lot of the best playoff series in those years were arguably in the conference finals or second round rather than the finals themselves.
In terms of why in the 80's is more physical is because players dont usually shoot from free throw out only on free throw in. So players on the free throw up they give them a lot of space to shoot. And when they go to the paint thats when the physicality starts. Everyone only drives to the basket and post up in the 80's. In todays game you cant do that because everybody is more talented right now in shooting the ball. Thats just my observation that is why the 80's players always says they are more physical because there isnt a lot of space to score from. Only a handful of players shoot free throw out in the 80's.
Today's game (with its open floor and free movement) would be ideal for a prime Bird. He would tear teams to pieces shooting all over the floor, including shooting threes. The open floor would also be ideal for his Jedi passing and positional rebounding. Plus, one cannot overlook Larry's ability to make big plays. He would dominate today's game and would be the front runner for MVP.
This applies for most of the elite Shooters of that day who could create their own shot. The defence being so spread out would have been a dream for players like Bird, Alex English, and Jordan
It always makes me happy when I see opponents give Bird respect. The 3 year MVP stretch might have been the best basketball ever. It wasn’t just Bird who made it the best, it was also the teams and guys he played with and against. I miss those days.
I agree completely. The NBA today is soft. These guys would never have been able to compete against Larry Legend or say, Bill Laimbeer. They'd get eaten alive.
Larry is the GRANDFATHER of 3 point shooters!! It was during his time NBA introduced the 3 point line to the game. That first year of 3 point introduced in NBA, Larry made 40.57% of his shots. Granted he shot only 0.7 3s per game, but it was because of the strategy at that time and 3 points was just introduced. Larry won first 3 points contest, 3 in a row, defeating future 3 points champions (Dale Ellis and Craig Hodges. Larry Bird may not be the greatest 3 point shooter ever, but he is one of the best and he laid out the foundation for other shooters. Larry is one of the best 3 point shooter, and one of the best shooter, period. One of the best scorer. One of the best to ever played. Defense' physicallity, intensity, and hard foul, you can't compare 80s to present era. Back then you can go for practically almost everything. Not player's falut, its just the rules have changed for the sake of the players safety and wellbeing. But for sure one cannot say NBA has more physicallity in defense in current era. Facts!
Reddick tries too hard to be friends with modern players to keep that relationship. Ill never forget his absolute softball interview with Ben Simmons. JJ avoids any tough questions on them and then tries to be harsh on Bird and even needlessly bashing Jerry West that one time. Its obvious hes just trying to get in good graces with guys who can appear on his podcast, rather than objecticely not being "player friendly" all the time.
It's damn sure a different game nowadays, but Bird would be a great player in any era. He did things no other players have ever done like play 3 quarters left handed just for fun against the Blazers and he had 28 pts at the start of the 4th. JJ said the Defense was all up on Marcus Smart and 5 ft off of Larry Bird which goes to show you that the Defense was respecting Larry's game because he can do it all so you'd better space him out and watch the numbers on his jersey to D him up or he'll pump fake or head fake and either drive by you or shoot it. Lets not forget that Bird was closer to 6'10 than he was 6'9 and there wasn't a spot on the floor he couldn't make a shot from. Legend
The trouble with 50-40-90 in the modern era, is that guys who take way more threes than past generations have their FG% skewed. See Jose Calderon in 08-09. He shot 49.7-40.6-98.1… but he shot so many threes, that if you take his FG% without the threes, he’d be at 53.8-40.6-98.1.
@@navideliot428 this isn't a true 50/40/90 season. The 50 is overall fg% not 2pt fg%. There have only been like 9 or 10 50/40/90 seasons ever and I think Steve Nash is the only player to do it more than once. I think bird, dirk, a d mark price have done it once
year later he is the coach of the Lakers and had problems filling out his coaching staff and can't get players to sign with the lakers. This is todays knowledge of the game
I'll never forget the first season I watched the Bucks in 1987 and we played Boston and took them to full 7 games including 3 Overtimes! It was so close but Bird was just too much for those great Bucks teams. My father called the Milwaukee Journal that night and told them Make your Headline "BIRD PLUCKS BUCKS!
It's a big difference in making 3s and making 3s when it counted at crunch time and Bird made them at those moments as good as any player in the history of the game. That's why he's Larry legend.🏀
Gotta give it to Redick. This has been one helluva publicity stunt. A few stupid and asinine comments have gotten him more attention than he ever got during his highly forgettable NBA career..in fact even more than when he was at Duke, when he was kind of somebody sort of.
JJ is being controversial to stay employed. But his nonsensical comments makes you realize that his basketball IQ is at a moronic level. What does his basketball career look like, repeating what Jerry West said about him? He was a mediocre player and did not win anything worth mentioning in his NBA career.
@@AbeJayPee494 He didn't do anything noteworthy when he was in the NBA.Michael Cooper and Dominique Wilkins have already called him an arrogant fool and they're both right.
I have seen a few no-look over-head-bounce passes that Bird made in the post, leading to points or dunks that are some of the most amazing plays in the history of basketball. He was a true artist and great to watch as he roamed the floor and was ALWAYS a threat. He is up there with the greatest of all time, def. in top 10
@@donnas8408 Bird is ranked 36 in scoring 45 in assists and a very embarrassing 62 in rebounds, which proves he is overrated, he's not even ranked 35 in any stats, no one with such horrible stats should never be considered or mentioned in the top 10 or 20 and never in GOAT conversation period.
@@dariussuite1605 using cumulative stats to try to prove a player's ability is hugely flawed as it caters more towards consistency and longevity more than actual ability. A person who plays 5 seasons scoring 30 points every season is going to have less points than a player who plays 15 seasons scoring 12 points every season, but it's obviously the player who played for 5 seasons that is better at scoring or at the very least, more productive
@@njldst2007 Bird played 13 seasons not 5 that's a long time, he is ranked 36 in scoring 45 and and just a horrible in rebounds, stop digging, he's not and has never been in The GOAT convo.
JJ He’s a stat guy. As a lifetime laker fan, i know the biases out here against anything Celtics. No doubt Bird is an all time great, just ask Magic. Appreciate JJ’s boldness here, but he is wrong on this one. Bird would dominate todays NBA also, just like Luca.
Byron Scott thinks Larry is a sprinter compared to Luka. Oh, and Larry would trash talk Redick so bad he would have him crying on the floor. Amd the 3 point like didn't come into being until Larry's rookie season. He didn't have the benefit of shooting 3s growing up like today's players do.
@@terrenceolivido741 They have great respect for each other. The documentary on both of them is just tremendous. I cannot recommend it highly enough. Just a great documentary.
Bird was much more athletic than Luka and all the folklore about his lack of athleticism is ridiculous. Bird was very quick, moved fast in space and had a standard level NBA leap.
The way the game is played today is all about shooting 3’s. Possession after possession, run up launch the ball bring it in take it down court launch the ball. It’s spectacular to see people make those amazing long distance shots for sure. Certainly a different era a different game. However, i(speaking for me here)get bored watching todays game by half time. Never ever did that occur watching games from past decades. The battles would go under the basket and back out to include 3 point shots if needed. I guess I’m spoiled from watching the greats from the Lakers Celtics Pistons 76’rs etc etc etc.
@Ya Dig i know who he is. I know that he played for 6 mediocre teams, averaged about 10 points per game and was terrible on defense. He was used primarily as a second or third stringer most of his career. He never made an all-star team or was on a team that won a championship. He scored a ton of points a Duke but choked under pressure. Now, go on and say what's so great about the dude...
Bird played in a different era. Imagine if Bird or any of the star players from bygone eras had all the privileges that modern basketball players have growing up: year round training, better strength and conditioning, better equipment, better facilities, etc etc.
Good point, but you forgot the biggest difference. In the 80's NBA players flied commercial airlines in coach! Think about that for a minute. 7 footers cramming into coach seats on Delta and then having to sign autographs walking all the way to baggage claim. Now these pampered pukes have their own private planes and limos but can't play in half their games because of "load management". In the 80's superstars played EVERY night unless they had a damn broken leg. The NBA of those days was men made of Iron. The current NBA product is garbage, I never even watch it anymore.
@Joey Tatum I’m not an NBA fan (I prefer watching the NFL) ,I check in from time to time to see what’s up but that’s it. But every time I check in, NBA fans are not chill at all. So that’s a lie.
Dominique said it the best. It's not about Larry or Steph, holding something or someone off with your hand is easier than with your chest. He should try pushing a car on neutral with his hand, then his chest. Then let him say which one's easier.
Younger guy's may not know, but having season tix for the Lakers from 1979-1989 I can tell you that Michael Cooper was the shhht, and as a fan he and Kurt Rambus were my favs, and I'm sure Kareem and Magic would vouch that those two guy's with their talent and toughness were as important to the team as they were (sometimes more) when it was crunch time! My step dad had two seats 2nd level, dead center birds eye view of the game, and I think he paid around $1,200 a year for those seats. In 89' the Forum deemed those as "Senate" seats and moved us up and to the left, and that was that he didn't renew. Cooper could get unbelievably hot from the 3, and Rambus was one of the toughest white boys in the league, and a helluva rebounder!
yep, I watched. Only on tape delay. 👍 Coop was tough, Rambis, worthy, hell, the entire league was tough. They had to be everybody was a scrapper in the lane. That's where the action was at. Do you go to a cinderella ball, or a Greatful Dead Concert?🤣
@@andybilakshow260 Went to a Dead show at the Greek Theater in 1985 and couldn't believe it. Was like going back in time. Went again at Anaheim stadium in 87' but only hung in the parking lot. The most eerie event I was ever at was "the last LA Street Scene" in 1985. Cholo's, crips, bloods, skinheads, bikers, all watching Fishbone perform, with crazy tension in the air. 3 or 4 deaths, 30+ stabbings etc, and Mayor Tom Bradley banned the event for good after. Was the 80s version of Altamount.
@@andybilakshow260 No but am aware of Bill being a big fan from his doc, and I'll tell you a true story. I picked cowboys fan because we lived in Plano, outside of Dallas from 1975-early 78' when my dad got transferred to So Ca, so I spent my 1st two yrs of LL and Pop Warner in Tx when the boy's were great, along with Earl Campbell at UT. My dad came to CA 3 mo's early, and when my mom sis and I flew out 01-11-78, walking in front of us at LAX from the plane to baggage claim was this giant slender man that turned out to be Bill Walton. He was about 40 yards in front of us so I never got his autograph, but it was him. Hated leaving Tx and didn't like So CA until I got used to it, then dug it, but now it's an over-populated over-taxed melting pot, so I may pack up the wife and kid's and go "home with the armadillo" as they say.
Lol ok kids time to go to bed. probably havent see any old game online at least .. He was a great shooter whether guarded or not, he would probably would score more due todays crappy defense lol Change your diaper kids
@@Srt3D01-db-01 I’ve seen over 100 full bird games, his jumper is beyond slow for todays game and he would not be able to create his own shot against defenders today.
Thanks for the video. It particularly gives good background as to how this current discussion developed. ☘️ Larry Legend One bone to pick tho. You thumbnail (or whatever it's called) shows Bird and implies that HE made that comment in the balloon. That seems, not only to literally put words in Bird's mouth, but to be clickbait. You don't need that, and it's low.
Agreed. I couldn't have said it better myself. I know "Swish Nation" is relatively new, but every video I've watched from this channel so far, is solid, and the overall presentation seems to improve with each episode. @swishnation4840 You don't need clickbait titles. If your content is good, and your videos are pro-level quality, which I believe they are, let them stand on their own. "Journalism", which sadly doesn't really exist anymore, in our upside-down world of clickbait amateurs, which applies to every profession; sports, local, national, world, etc., should be about gathering facts, confirming sources, and ultimately reporting the truth. The content can be presented in story form, of course, and in a way that draws people in, and then keeps them engaged mentally, regardless of feelings, emotions, and/or opinions. Factually honest reporting doesn't need clever clickbait titles, derived from half-truths. If a news story of any kind needs clickbait titles, the story probably isn't worth reporting, or reading.
No one GAVE AN F about 3's then. EVERYONE was focused on establishing dominance in the Post. IF these guys had to play teams from the 80s /90s IT WOULD BE DEATH BY 1000 CUTS. These current Guys have NEVER had to defend Guys at every position that Play the Post like they could.
It’s little known fact Doc Rivers would leave the game and put on his overalls for his plumbing business. Dominique Wilkins was a firefighter all those years in Atlanta - that’s why he couldn’t be traded. Also Karl “The Mailman” Malone worked his route in Salt Lake City for 19 years.
For those that were fans in that era that loved and watched basketball religiously, know that it was common knowledge, that most teams in the 80s had what’s called a no layup rule. Which basically means if you were coming down to get a layup you got knocked on your butt.
If Curry, Bird, Jordan, and Kobe were in a 3 pts shooting contest, my money is on Bird to win. He was a storm cold killer, and hit more big pressure, clutch shots than anyone. He even told the other team where the shots were coming from, he was double & triple teamed on 3pters and even shot them left handed, and no one could stop him.
God, I love Michael Cooper!!” I would’ve locked your ass up!!” “” JJ Reddick would’ve spent more time on the bench if I had guarded him” Awesome, just awesome 😎
He shot the three so infrequently early in his career a good percentage of the ones he did shoot were half court heaves at the end of quarters and that will bring the percentage down. He was at least 40 percent when he started taking two or three per game before he had the heal surgery where they detached his two Achilles which would be similar to rupturing them and even with his bad back shot .389 and .406 his last two seasons and I think he was probably riding a bike for a lot of those seasons practices and not getting the reps he normally would have gotten. He didn't think you should get an extra point for that shot which is why he didn't shoot a lot early on except when he needed to.
Don't forget the 76ers, the Knicks, the Bulls, the Rockets, the Trailblazers, the Bucks when talking about physical, hard-nosed assault and battery with attempted rape as defense
Even the 1990's were more physical than today's NBA! Michael Cooper said of J.J. Redick "all his accolades came in college" (at Duke). It would seem that all his knowledge of basketball came from his time at Duke as well.
Game wasn't physical? Anybody see the Celtics and Sixers from 79 to 84? Damn near every possession there were three or four guys picking themselves up off the floor.
He destroyed the 3 point contest with no misses. That was after he came in strutting and asked who is coming in second to me. If we preferred the 3 point the way we do now, he’d be a monster.
@@grant1739 Average scores were like in the high 90s and they scored 30+. Jordan scored 37. In today's game where the game averages are like 115-120. They're adding at least 10 to their averages.
When the 3 point shot came into the league, it was thought to be a way for teams to make up deficits late in games and make them competitive. It wasn't a regular part of offenses for years to come. Redick thinks he's smarter than everyone else because he went to Duke.
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Calling JJ Redick a "poor man's Danny Ainge" is a slap in the face to Danny Ainge.
Danny was actually memorable, played a integral part in the Celtics championships and was good at the game.
Ainge was an athlete. Could have been drafted into MLB.
@@jaesonburd7165 Yup. Ainge is still the only high school guy to be 1st team All-American in football, basketball, and baseball in the same year.
He was better than Danny Ainge lmfao
Ainge was a 3 sport all American. He could live played in the nfl or mlb. JJ could’ve only played basketball or work at Sears.
“I’d have locked your ass up!” Tell the truth, my man Coop!
I'd love to know when there was a fight in this NBA lately...Back in the 80s and 90s it occured a lot ... Now these guys don't need to fight cause there is no phisicallaty no D who you gonna fight when you can score at will...NBA is weak... Let's bring back the real NBA with some Defense Show some Kahones NBA...
He definitely was telling the truth (Michael Cooper that is)
If we look at JJ Reddicks career l am sure some of his so-called plumbers and firemen had better careers. He was an NBA mediocrity.
15 seasons and ONE compĺete 82 game season. Bird played 4 or 5 complete seasons. But yeah. No difference in "physicality". You could only finish ONE SEASON IN THE "MODERN ERA" REDDICK. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT PHYSICALITY BECAUSE YOU ONLY PHYSICALLY FINISHED ONE SEASON!
Cooper would not get that chance.If so happen that JJ is fortunate enough to be born earlier and played in the 80s,He would be just sitting on the bench cause coach would not played his style of game.He might be one of those plumbers hes talking about.He didnt make it With the advantage of training and nutrition in the modern day nba .what makes him think he can do better without it in the 80s.SAd thing about soial media is nobody gts punch in the mouth anymore for saying stupid issh!
“If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game, I'd choose Michael Jordan. If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life, I'd take Larry Bird.” Pat Riley
%100 correct... and Mr. Riley would know!
"When Pat took someone else other than me to shoot to save his life, it became personal to me."
Michael Jordan with 99.99999999999999999% certainty.
Nice
😂😂😂 that is really good by Riley
A 3pt shot? A 2pt shot? What shot?
Dude didn't even take his jacket off to win three point shot contest.
Just turned up and asked who was coming second.
Savage
First three point contest.
Keep that in mind.
Even Jordan was like this mfer is cold!!😅
JJ nos nothing about basketball he didn't no that the 3 point shot was not used then like it is now he has no clue what he's talking about
Larry Bird is my nominee for the “NBAs Toughest SOB” award of all time. The guy played with injuries that would have sidelined guys today for months if not the season. And not only did he play, he played exceptionally well and dominated in many of those games.
Wearing a full torso back brace he shot a 47 point game. The man was superhuman! NO ONE in today's NBA would even consider playing a game in that condition. Even if by some miracle one was willing to do so, there's no way in hell they'd get 47 points!
They just don't make them like that anymore.
He played through a injury that would have retired any other player! He was old school tough on a level that hasn't been seen in a long time!
Played in the garden where bobby Orr played it must have rubbed off
Playing while injured does not make u tough , it makes u stupid and that’s why birds career ended abruptly.
you don't remember when isaiah thomas came back to play in 1 leg after injuring really bad and he took over and won that game that was unbelievable and don't forget kobe bryant too but i agreed with you about larry bird he was really special. Greetings
To quote Reddick. "We in the media create narratives that simply don't exist in reality."
His comment is moronic and let there be a debate about it.
Only whites do that lol Larry bird is the Eminem ones of the nba he gets credit just for being white
Redick is what is called an articulate idiot. The guy is as dumb as a dog. Unfortunately, the general public is dumber and some are the same but cannot mount an argument against JJ. I'm sure JJ's IQ is less than 90.
He should be working for Fox.
@@wasteofspace20any mainstream news outlet
JJ, let's be clear on this: Bird didn't have the numbers. But he DAMN well made the 3s that made the difference and ended crucial games.
Trouble is, Mr Bird is incomparable.
@@RemoWilliams1227 No trouble. If the three pt shot was required, Bird would have honed in "all net" mode like he did to win 3pete 3pt contest. In other words, Nobody compares to Legendary Larry.
Keep in mind, Larry had to make adjustments to his game his entire career. Including ending 5 years without a back. Again Larry put out above average numbers to the end. The End
@@andybilakshow260 yessir
Perfect comment! There is no better shooter with the game on the line than Bird....from inside the arc, outside the arc, and the free throw line.
Bird trained for hours and hours on his shooting. I'm sure if the 3 point became relevant he would have honed his skills :)
I’m from Detroit. They called them the Bad Boys for a reason. Those games were brutal. It seemed like the East was worse than the west, but there were no easy layups in those days
JJ Reddick is a fool. The fact that he said today’s NBA is just as physical as the NBA in the 80s and 90s is utterly ridiculous.
I think it's calculated. Being sensible/logical doesn't make you any money in his profession. It has to be self promotion, doesn't it? Surely he can't believe that.
And it shows how outta touch he really is Larry bird was Greatness. JJ reddi sucked in basketball.
Agreed 💯
In the 80s, Reddick would have spent 2 hours with the trainer getting the pine splinters dug out of his ass. He would have had a 2-3 year career had he Played in the 80s
What in the heck are they teaching at Duke?
Larry could break apart any defense he wanted to, and any player anytime. His wide open shots are by reading defenses and because he felt like it.
You are right. Bird would score 40 points and make it look easy. Defenders had to play him honest.
He is a moron, 1000%, Bird destroyed Jordan, Reddick couldn't tote his fucking luggage
@@John_Malloy True, what are they going to do, double him? Oh that's right his other divinely inspired skill is passing.....
You can say that about ALL great players with the difference being Bird could not stop anyone and did not earn any defensive achievements.
Larry Bird is ranked 36 in scoring 45 in assists and and a very embarrassing 62 in rebounds so quit it.
JJ forget the 3pt line was applied in the NBA in 1979 and completely adapted in the NCAA in 1986. Players like Bird and Magic did not have the benefit of practicing the 3 when they were in college or before that. Unlike players today work on their 3 ball majority of time.
You just made Reddicks point.
@@craigbromiley7837 not really. Players in the 80s actually shot the 3 extremely well considering that. Attempted way less but made shots when they needed to without the benefits plyers have today. The different factors from different eras actually means they are incomparable because of it. And you or JJ cannot truly say who was better.
@@craigbromiley7837 And your comment is pointless, only proves you’re about as ignorant as JJ.
@@craigbromiley7837 your IQ probably below 60. Check it out. Maybe ur kids as well.
You don't include players to be one of the greatest 3pt shooters ever just because they don't have the benefit of practicing too many 3pt shots..
Players were enemies back then. Todays NBA is we all friends.
Alpha male is the most overused word in 2024
@@videozz2012Alpha Male doesn’t mean what you think it’s supposed to mean. Alpha means a leader that protects the rest of the pact. It’s a leader that makes sure the weakest link has an opportunity to survive. Males that have insecurity issues have turned the word Alpha Male into a term of “will kill anything in front to survive and everyone else for themselves” which is completely wrong.
@@videozz2012 nah we have Beta Males in this age
Yup and not coincidentally the NBA sucks today.
Oh yeah, JJ is right. Teams like the Pistons were known for their charitable work and picking flowers before games. Bill Laimbeer 100% most lovable player during his time, known for his gentleness and hugs.
It's true! I myself witnessed Isiah and Bill leading sing alongs of kumbaya with the opposing Celtics and Bulls while Bill Mahorn was doing sensitivity training sessions with other players! 🤣🤣🤣
Ya. When Larry hurt his back one game Lambert messaged it and helped him get up. A very sweet man.
Ya. When Larry hurt his back one game Lambert messaged it and helped him get up. A very sweet man.
Add Mahorn and Rodman to that list.
I'll never forget Laimbeer's gentle nature and his love for warm hugs. They called him Olaf for a reason!
In Curry’s Unanimous MVP season, he was shooting 45.4% from 3, which was 28% higher than the league average. In Bird’s 1985 MVP season, he shot 42.3%, which was 51% higher than the league average. Considering Bird shot threes in the clutch. I don’t think there needs to be a debate. We know who the greatest shooter of all time is.
51% higher than the league average? Firstly learn how percentages work. Curry wasn’t 28% higher than the league average and Bird definitely was 51% higher than the league average.
Also JJ literally says in the video that Larry is one of the greatest shooters ever. Just he isn’t the greatest THREE POINT SHOOTER. I swear to god. None of these comments and no one in this video actually listened to what JJ said.
@@OldBenKenobi2318 He's using %s to compare with percentages. He's saying the league average was 35.47 whereas Curry was at 45.4 which is 28% higher than 35.47. Whereas during Bird's season of 42.3, the league average was 28.01, so Bird's number is 51% higher than the average.
Technically they're both percentages, so it's not really difficult to figure out what he meant. The point is the same, Larry was better than league average by a bigger margin than Curry was better than league average.
@@t.yop9 That's like saying a 10 year old taking a calculus test was 50% better than other 10 year olds is better at math than the 20 year old who was 5% better than other 20 year olds. The comparative difference is irrelevant if the standard is "greatest of all time." The only metrics that count are volume of shots, percentage made, and location of the 3-point line. Anyone who is arguing Curry is not currently the greatest 3-point shooter of all time is...there's no point debating those people.
@@OldBenKenobi2318JJ said Bird is not one of greatest three point shooters ever which he was
@@icekyuuno it not the same. They are compared against the same not against 10y old or 20 y old. They are compared against the average of the NBA which forms. Benchmark of comparison. There is inflation in all numbers. The baencmark reduces the ilpact of inflation.
And by the way the percentages are complete bogus they are not the point of great player. Percentages are omitting most important info of shooting.
Bird is the greatest 3 point shooter in NBA history and in Europe greatest 3 point shooter in history is Spanoulis. Percentages not required it is the shots that are required. The times the shots changed stuff.
Percentages are crap metric and NBA and US have gotten obsessed with them although they have alot of stuff omitted. And then players chace these numbers which are empty and vacant.
Doncic scored 73 and only 15 - 20 points were hard ith most poijts ludicrously easy and uninetersting without defence or withiut any obstacle withij the rim. An uninteresting vacant 73 points except for 15-18 true hard points. This was more like 35 point game.
But prople check bacantly the gross inaccurate metrics which dont say much.
Bird gave credit to Michael Cooper for being the hardest defender he had to face, especially in the '87 finals. I'd say he knows a LOT more than Redick.
When Cooper first heard that, he was almost speechless he was so touched and honored. High praise from Bird
And that statement is relevant to the conversation because...?
@@notoriousbid3169 I think he said Reddick is anidiot.
He would lock jj down an out him on bench😂😂😂😂😂
Well no shit.
There is not a glimpse of comparison.
Reddick is saying that because he was a shooter specialist. All the contact he ever got was when he was running around tired and guys were holding and bumping him. But he fails to realize if the bigger players were able to actually use their strength like back then his role wouldn't even exist
Exactly! Paxson and Kerr meant nothing for the Bulls in the 90s.
@@Rimpianto what is that supposed to mean? are you being sarcastic?
Have to be lol@@wraynephew6838
Larry walked into the locker room before the 3 point shoot out and asked whos coming in second tonight.
If JJ attempted that I’m pretty sure the locker room would laugh at him and not with him.
damnit i love bird😂
They laughed at bird too lol but yeah reddick ain’t that guy
Michael Cooper was a hell of a defender, and I've always respected his game, but that respect went up 2 levels today, he understands and respects the history of the game. Props to his passion for the game.
He was wrong about jj being a poor man’s Danny ainge jj one of the best three pt shooters ever an he could shoot on the move
@@tyrellwilliams317 he didn’t make shots when they mattered, and honestly a very poor player in all other regards. Defensively, pure garbage.
I love how newer age guys take ONE shot at 80s 90s eras and they’re all up in arms as if they don’t constantly bitch and moan about todays game. Young people will trash their era because they are fuckin annoying
@@jschapp77you talking JJ or Cooper?
@@michaelshannon3019yes
In '87/'88 Larry made more three pointers than 7 entire teams.
Bird played 74 games and averaged 1.2 makes (in '87/'88)? That's a total of 110/111 makes? That's not bolstering an argument for Top 5!!
You missed the point. The best shooters of the 70's and 80's would be just as good as the shooters now. If they played now they would practice shooting it all the time. Also, if today's shooters played back in those era's they would not shoot as well because of not shooting it as much in practice. Some of them wouldn't even make it to the NBA. Like JJ
@@Paul15. I missed the point because it's NOT a point! On what other occasion have we looked at stats and bent logic to agree that someone COULD and WOULD have done something different?
I can't give you "credit" for doing something which you didn't actually do!
Roberto Clemente died having amassed EXACTLY 3,000 hits... If he had finished with 2,999, as sad as circumstances were, I couldn't give him credit for another hit (which he hadn't actually earned) no matter how much I might believe in him...
Every action you take prevents you from expending that same time on another activity... If the great shooters of the '80s and '90s paid more attention to three-point shooting, then they would be taking time from practicing another part of their game... These events and proposed changes don't occur in a vacuum...
So, even "if" they made themselves better shooters by practicing, some other activity is likely to suffer because it would be practiced less as a result...
That’s like comparing QBs today who all throw for 4000 yards and saying they’re better than Joe Montana’s/Aikman/ etc. the game is different, the rules are different. Bird didn’t play in an era where they shot nothing but 3 pointers.. doesn’t mean he isn’t one of the best.
@@TheVlad1616 Two things wrong with your comment...
It's off-base AND not relevant...
First... Redick stated that Bird WASN'T Top 5 in 3-point shooting... This is NOT an insult!! You CAN be great without being Top 5!! The point which folks are arguing, vehemently, is that Bird has been disrespected and is (like) Top 3, I guess...
Second? I turn your attention to Home Run Baker... Before Babe Ruth, he led the Leagues in HRs for several years and won three or four consecutive MVPs...
His greatest HR total was (trumpets, please) only 12!!!! Oddly enough, that's not even a Baker's Dozen!!
NOBODY ever discusses him as one of the best (at anything) ever!!
I think the three pointer was introduced in the NBA during Birds rookie year and wasn't adopted by NCAA until 1986. So, it's not like it was something he grew up doing, just another thing to consider.
He literally made it into a tactical part of closing teams out.
The fact that Robert Parrish pummeled Laimbeer in the face and the refs just tell Laimbeer to get up and keep playing is nuts.
Laimbeer had it coming and the refs knew it...
🎯
Refs were men then!
THAT was REAL Basketball!!!!
@@jxm1677 Not a single person felt bad for Laimbeer, probably not even Bill himself. I wonder how many of today's superstars would even survive a single game against him and the Bad Boys. Not literally die, but retire from the game shortly after, or fake injuries quick every following year they went up against them.
All JJ Reddick did was shoot a set up play, Bird have to shoot , rebound , defend , assist and make his team better.
J.J couldn't guard his shadow and he only lasted as long as he did because a WHITE BOY who could shoot 3s
They're just arguing about threes though. Bird isn't even close to the best
@@tugboat6940 Bird is one of the smartest and toughest player in this game, if he was playing today he will be smart enough to be on the top 5. coz the player today learn from the past that's why they are better player, if they play in the past the new player will they be as good as today if they didn't have somebody to copy they will not be beter if they play with the time this player play. Even Kobe said I copy all my moves on M Jordan
@@roddizon2242 so we're just gonna call him the greatest shooter of all time because he maybe, possibly would be have been a better shooter had he played today? Really?
@@tugboat6940 No sir, Basketball is always revolving, you cannot say Bird or Curry as the best shooter of all times, cause basketball is still growing and improving. Smart player will always find a way to the top and will find weakness in other players or team, We are human beings that always trying to improve a swimmer or runner record doesn't last , it is also the same in basketball.
bring back 80's basketball ...it was sublime.
Redick averaged about 12 points a game, which matches his IQ
I’d like to preface this by saying that I played basketball in NYC in an all black high school and got my nick name from the brothers playing at The Cage and at Rucker Park. We were all trying to emulate what Larry bird was doing on the playground and it was impossible for us. However, I remember hearing what Pat Riley said, “If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game, I’d choose Michael Jordan, but if I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life, I’d take Larry Bird."
"I used to spar around a lot in the joint. It was just me and a bunch of the brothers. By the time I got out of there, they all had respect for me, Charlie. Of course, got my nose broken 3 times in 3 years. What the hell, a broken nose ain't gonna kill you." --Ray Sinclair
" Poor man Danny Ainge" that slow roast hahaha
Ya boy still sizzling to this day.
The three point line was moved in two feet after Bird retired. You cannot compare the stats.
Only temporarily. Right?
Yeah it was temporary
And it was during those two years when the line was moved closer that MJ made the majority of his 3 pointers. If you remove MJ's 3 point shooting stats for those 2 years the line was moved closer, you would clearly see that Kobe is the better 3 point shooter. But since most don't realize this, people get the impression MJ and Kobe shot the 3 pointer at a very similar efficiency when they compare their career 3 point percentages.
@@paperlpyall haters so funny he set the record in 92 for threes in a half dummy
@@paperlpKobe had a worse shot selection and took too many tough shots, that’s why his efficiency was garbage compared to MJ’s
“Which one of you are coming in second”
Bro JJ saying the game is more physical than the 80’s is wild💀💀
You spelled "wrong" wrong.
yeah, all the effort it takes to move to the side and allow people to dunk is real physical.
Not for nothing, Draymond dropped Jordan Poole and didn't get much for it. GS front office was channeling the 80s. If Green tried that with Shaq he'd be a corpse.@DisinterestedSimp
It’s not wild… it’s stupid
It's just as physical as it's always been. Except for a different type of physical. In the 80s they fouled each other but today they do a lot more running to cover the court. For example, centers have to cover from the paint to the 3 point line now and all five players spend a lot of time running from side to side and fighting over multiple screens.
I could be wrong but I remember a three-point shootout during the All-star break when he missed just one shot. It's the closest I ever saw a player make all of his attempts.
If Redick was playing horse against Bird, I'm taking Bird every day of the week. He was a player who could make any trick shot in the book. He could make any of those crazy, unbelievable shots that you see on RUclips today.
Steph has never taken a Bill Lambeer elbow neither has Reddick.
All I know is this, when the lights are brightest and I need a 3, give me Larry Bird. Plain and simple. GOAT
You from Boston?? ja
We'll said. Most clutch player ever.
Reddick and Perk have to go. Larry freakin Bird Really.
@@wilfredoramirez728 You don't have to be from Boston or white to know Bird Demolished everyone
The physicality in the 80's crossed all kind of lines according to todays rules, the players even played hurt and the fans loved it, The rivalries were real because they seem to love their cities, their teams and hated their opponents (in a competitive sense) , the league is still good today but back then for fans (just like the players) it was all about our team and our team only.
Now it's more about the players personal feelings than what's good for the team, they should get paid by the game that way they won't sit out half the season if they catch a cold.
I don't think the league is good. It's filled with political nonsense, players who have no loyalty, players that need time off etc. Etc.
Ask Jordan, Bird, Magic, West, Willis Reed and the former greats to take a rest day, they'll tell you to go stick it
The thing I dislike most in today’s game is the phantom fouls. There’s been countless times the defender didn’t even touch the ball handler and he gets called for a foul. So many times I had a confused face with my jaw wide open.
In the past 50 years, here are the highest Total Career Avg Stat Points (PTS + REB + AST + STL + BLK)
#1) Jordan = 44.7
#2) LeBron = 44.4
#3) Bird = 43.1
#4) Kareem = 42.9
Curry is #31 with 37.5
That's just to put things into to perspective
@@One.Zero.One101 and flopping....jeez the flopping is out of control somtimes
Larry Bird did more than shoot threes, he led team in rebounds one year, he led team in assists, he led team in scoring. Nobody shot more game winning threes than Bird. Birds passing was second only to Magic. Watch Bird vs Lambeer Pistons and you realize the difference between physicality. JJ Redick says he can show physicality in both gereations. What you cannot show is the bloodshed, hurt backs, headlocks, etc that take a serious toll on the body. Player today have no idea what went on back then.
The 3-pointer took all of the heart out of basketball. The 80's had the right balance of threes and an inside game. It is what it is, you can't go back unless you take away the three point line altogether, which will never happen. but if you did, none of today's teams could hold a candle to the great teams of the 80s and early 90s. Celtics-Lakers in the 80's was the golden era of basketball and today's game is a glorified game of horse.
Bingo
Absolutely
Redick is just trying to get attention, I think. Everyone knows that he is incorrect with his statement about Larry Bird and the basketball games in the 80's.
Redick knows it too. But he's being paid~!
Agreed. Any self respecting sports show should not bring him on their show.
He got it alright, but I wouldn't want that kind of attention.
Truth hurts
Not trying. He did a GREAT job getting attention of the name of all time legends.
This is the reason he said it! No such thing as bad publicity. He got what he wanted…..a reaction!
He got the publicity
And showed everyone how dumb he is
Larry Bird is the only player that I've ever heard of that has players on the opposing team get fined for showing their fanship while getting their behinds handed to them. Tell this kid to go watch the game where Bird dropped 60 on Atlanta and tell him to be quiet.
He called JJ a "poor man's Danny Ainge" LMFAO!!!!!!!!
Danny was not really that good so this is a great insult. Yes I am old enough to have watched him play on TV.
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@drwatsonca6945
I watched Ainge play too, and he was a lot better than Reddic.
Hell, Ainge was an All Star.
Not only was he much better off the dribble and a better defender than JJ, but he also was quicker than him as well...
@@natedablack7857Danny ainge is underrated
@@drwatsonca6945
Actually Danny Ainge was a great player that probably goes into the hof if he doesn’t play on a team with 5 other hof’s. He was a superb spot up shooter, 3 point contest runner up twice, great defensive player, passer and drove opposing teams crazy. Go watch the mid 80’s Celtics. He was a big ass reason they were so good.
In Birds era the mid range jumper was a thing because you knew the price for entering the paint. And it wasn't cheap.
Damn.. JJ's credibility just took a big hit.
A well deserved hit.
What credibility? Cooper got it right; in the 1980's, Reddick never would have left the bench because he would never been able to get his shot off
What credibility? He's a woke clown.
What credibility,lol?
That's the problem. He didn't have high-level credibility as a player and is trying to get it at the desk. Maybe he's trying too hard.
Larry once played a game only with his left hand. Nuff said.
Just because he was bored 😂
Didn’t he also say he was saving his right hand for the Lakers? Haha
Larry Bird was an amazing player and funny as hell.
@@Justmemyguy haha Larry is a Legend
Basketball is the only sport where people actively hate the OG Legends. In futbol we respect Ronaldinho, Maldini, Zidane. In boxing we respect Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard. In tennis we respect Sampras and Agassi. We recognize that we are standing in the shoulders of giants.
He also started his Celtics career with a severe hand injury from softball that permanently weakened his feel with the basketball. Had he not gotten injured he'd have been even BETTER.
Larry Birds career vs. JJ Reddicks opinion? LAUGHABLE
The best thing about Larry, he could see the flow of the game and orchestrate it to perfection, whether it be a pass or making a shot. It ain't about how much Larry (or anyone else) shot or the average of a three point shot or a long range jumper; it's about when to take and make the shot, not just jack-up those three point shots until making it. Just like Pat Riley says, I'd definitely would want Larry to take the last shot to save the life.
Larry didn't just hit clutch three-pointers, he demoralized teams with his 3-pointers. He was a killer we don't see in today's NBA
@Joey Tatum I like Dame, but he has never won a championship. He doesn't belong in this argument. Most people who listen to j.j. Redick aren't old enough to have seen Larry Bird clutch play win championships games
@@denday4511a championship cant be the dertermining factor cuz larry played with a team full of hall of famers
jesus..... "dame" .. lol
Also if Bird played in this era he'd been better. Larry would've shot more 3s and now you can't even breathe on someone without a whistle
MILLER AND BIRD THEY HIT THOSE 3'S WHEN U GETTING CLOSE OR U NEED TO GET CLOSER TO LEADING TEAM WHO TRY TO MAKE A RUN. OPPOSITE OF JHJ REDICK WHO CANT SHOOT WITHOUT SCREEN AND USUALLY MISS MOST MATTER SHOOTS AND LAST BUZZER BEATERS TOO,
Problem is Bird did have the numbers! In the playoffs Bird shot something to the tune of 42.7% from 3 pt range. Curry who many think is a better shooter than Bird(but I do not) is shooting 39.8% from 3 pt range. Maybe Curry has a better average during the season but Bird for his career only took 1.9 attempts per game from 3pt line. Bird has said he didn’t even practice the 3pt shot! Imagine if he practiced it!!!
Agreed. No one shot threes at a high output in the 80's NBA because it was just a completely different league. JJ makes his argument waving around the stats, but not the context by design. This is coming from an almost strictly niche, 3 point shooter for his career in Reddick. Basically what he really implied was that HE was a better 3 point shooter than Bird, but used Curry so he didn't look like an asshat.
@@Chrisicola You gave me a great laugh! Thank you!!!
Bird used the three strategically, either to demoralize the other team at strategic moments or to win games at the end. 90% of the time he would get the ball at the end of close games. Today's game is totally different. More wide-open with many good three point shooters.
@@jonathanweiss7716 yup and Curry is lousy at last second game winners..
Shooting a slightly higher % while shooting less than 15% of the amount of shots means nothing.
Reddick is an ESPN mouthpiece so nobody takes him seriously anyway
The Bad boys were there to play physical against Bird. And Bird walked into the 3point shooting contest at the all-star game and said to the contestants who is taking second . Bird won it too. Bird 3point clinic completed. Lol
A 3-point contest (where there's no defense) on one day per season proves NOTHING... Except, I can make 3-point shots (better than you) when I'm in a non-game situation where I may shoot repeatedly...
JJ thinks the league today is as physical as the 80’s…We went from having a 3-point contest in the All Star break to converting the entire season into a 3-point contest. Gary Payton would have been inside Steph Currys jersey in the 90’s. Now a hiccup is called a personal foul.
The NBA changed a number of rules because in their opinion, it was way too physical. JJ Redick played under the new rules. Why does he think they change the rules in the first place?
Also remember that the 3-point shootout in the 80s didn’t have 2-pointer balls in every rack. So Bird’s total would actually be higher if he competed today. Bird’s score of 24 would probably be 28 today and it would beat 99% of 3-point competitors today.
Those games were unwatchable that's why they changed the rules. If I'm more skilled than you the only way for you to compete is to muck up the game.
They changed the rules - in particular enforcing hand checking - to make it easier for perimeter players to score. They wanted to give teams with top perimeter players a better chance to compete against a team with top big men. The first 3-peat Bulls were the only dynasty without a top big man, and ratings hit record highs during the 90s. Rating dropped during the early 2000s as Shaq, Duncan, etc were dominating the league. They figured out it was more exciting to watch perimeter players dominate than big men, which allowed perimeter players to shoot 3s unobstructed. Perimeter players TS% immediately jumped in 2004-2005, then teams slowly figured out how to fully take advantage of the new rules.
He was a scrub who never made an all star game or a all NBA team even with the rule changes, REALITY
@@joek5078 I could see that. Me personally, I enjoy watching clips of the 2000’s game (Shaq and Duncan are two of my favorite players actually), but I could see why some would call it less entertaining as other eras.
One other thing that hurt the 00’s as far as popularity goes:
A lot of the best playoff series in those years were arguably in the conference finals or second round rather than the finals themselves.
In terms of why in the 80's is more physical is because players dont usually shoot from free throw out only on free throw in. So players on the free throw up they give them a lot of space to shoot. And when they go to the paint thats when the physicality starts. Everyone only drives to the basket and post up in the 80's. In todays game you cant do that because everybody is more talented right now in shooting the ball. Thats just my observation that is why the 80's players always says they are more physical because there isnt a lot of space to score from. Only a handful of players shoot free throw out in the 80's.
Today's game (with its open floor and free movement) would be ideal for a prime Bird. He would tear teams to pieces shooting all over the floor, including shooting threes. The open floor would also be ideal for his Jedi passing and positional rebounding. Plus, one cannot overlook Larry's ability to make big plays. He would dominate today's game and would be the front runner for MVP.
Best way to explain it right there.
This applies for most of the elite Shooters of that day who could create their own shot. The defence being so spread out would have been a dream for players like Bird, Alex English, and Jordan
Absolutely correct. The people who deny this are basketball novices and chronological snobs.
In 1987, Bird said the greatest match-up at that time was Bird-Cooper, because it was Mr. Defense against Mr. Offense.
It always makes me happy when I see opponents give Bird respect. The 3 year MVP stretch might have been the best basketball ever. It wasn’t just Bird who made it the best, it was also the teams and guys he played with and against. I miss those days.
Bill walton championship year, larry bird three year, mj 1987 might be the best basketball ever
I hated Larry Bird, I hate Larry Bird, but if I could have him on my team, I would love Larry Bird.
If todays NBA was as physical as the 80’s, then I’d still be watching it.
💯. I loved basketball as kid in mj area. Tolerated the early 2000,s. Can't remember now how many yes since wat he'd a game😂 . Trash 😂
I agree completely. The NBA today is soft. These guys would never have been able to compete against Larry Legend or say, Bill Laimbeer. They'd get eaten alive.
Your loss. Playoffs have been great so far
Hate to say it but I agree I stopped watching in the 2000s just seemed to keep getting softer and softer. Only thing missing in 2023 are dresses.
@@Physics072 so you haven't watched the NBA in like 20 years? How the fuck would you know what the game looks like right now?
Larry is the GRANDFATHER of 3 point shooters!! It was during his time NBA introduced the 3 point line to the game. That first year of 3 point introduced in NBA, Larry made 40.57% of his shots. Granted he shot only 0.7 3s per game, but it was because of the strategy at that time and 3 points was just introduced.
Larry won first 3 points contest, 3 in a row, defeating future 3 points champions (Dale Ellis and Craig Hodges.
Larry Bird may not be the greatest 3 point shooter ever, but he is one of the best and he laid out the foundation for other shooters. Larry is one of the best 3 point shooter, and one of the best shooter, period. One of the best scorer. One of the best to ever played.
Defense' physicallity, intensity, and hard foul, you can't compare 80s to present era. Back then you can go for practically almost everything. Not player's falut, its just the rules have changed for the sake of the players safety and wellbeing. But for sure one cannot say NBA has more physicallity in defense in current era. Facts!
Imagine Larry playing today without being hand checked lol
OMG Larry would kill them.
@@Physics072 they don't understand lol
He’s averaging 30
@@jjnthegoat2200 Closing in on 40 i'd say if he wasn't such a teamplayer. He'd probably average triple double numbers...
Look at what Luka is doing and tell me Larry wouldn't be dominating this league.
Reddick tries too hard to be friends with modern players to keep that relationship. Ill never forget his absolute softball interview with Ben Simmons. JJ avoids any tough questions on them and then tries to be harsh on Bird and even needlessly bashing Jerry West that one time. Its obvious hes just trying to get in good graces with guys who can appear on his podcast, rather than objecticely not being "player friendly" all the time.
It's damn sure a different game nowadays, but Bird would be a great player in any era. He did things no other players have ever done like play 3 quarters left handed just for fun against the Blazers and he had 28 pts at the start of the 4th. JJ said the Defense was all up on Marcus Smart and 5 ft off of Larry Bird which goes to show you that the Defense was respecting Larry's game because he can do it all so you'd better space him out and watch the numbers on his jersey to D him up or he'll pump fake or head fake and either drive by you or shoot it. Lets not forget that Bird was closer to 6'10 than he was 6'9 and there wasn't a spot on the floor he couldn't make a shot from. Legend
When you have players from the other team, watching going crazy because of the shots Bird was making, says it all.
Did JJ even have a 50-40-90 season?
he had 5 of them
@@sbrooks904 he had 0
In the 2014-2015 season, JJ Reddick shot 51.5% from 2, 43.7% from 3, and 90.1% from the line.
The trouble with 50-40-90 in the modern era, is that guys who take way more threes than past generations have their FG% skewed.
See Jose Calderon in 08-09. He shot 49.7-40.6-98.1… but he shot so many threes, that if you take his FG% without the threes, he’d be at 53.8-40.6-98.1.
@@navideliot428 this isn't a true 50/40/90 season. The 50 is overall fg% not 2pt fg%. There have only been like 9 or 10 50/40/90 seasons ever and I think Steve Nash is the only player to do it more than once. I think bird, dirk, a d mark price have done it once
year later he is the coach of the Lakers and had problems filling out his coaching staff and can't get players to sign with the lakers. This is todays knowledge of the game
I'll never forget the first season I watched the Bucks in 1987 and we played Boston and took them to full 7 games including 3 Overtimes! It was so close but Bird was just too much for those great Bucks teams. My father called the Milwaukee Journal that night and told them Make your Headline "BIRD PLUCKS BUCKS!
It's a big difference in making 3s and making 3s when it counted at crunch time and Bird made them at those moments as good as any player in the history of the game. That's why he's Larry legend.🏀
Redick is like almost all of these so-called analysts on ESPN
Exactly, I showed my dad (77) the clip of JJ arguing and he said "see that's why I don't want watch that type of shit" right again Pop.
He has a career waiting for him on Fox News.
@@julianmarsh8384 oof
@@julianmarsh8384 What are you talking about? He is a typical ESPN talking head entirely.
Redick played 15 years and he was never a top 50 player in that span
I don’t like to disrespect. Then goes on to disrespect JJ by calling him stupid. Do you hear yourselves???? Stay in school
If it wasn't for Larry and Magic when they came into the league in 1980 the NBA would of been dead they revived the game the sport
Gotta give it to Redick. This has been one helluva publicity stunt. A few stupid and asinine comments have gotten him more attention than he ever got during his highly forgettable NBA career..in fact even more than when he was at Duke, when he was kind of somebody sort of.
Best insight thus far.
That's about the only good thing you can say about Reddick,that he was kind of sort of someone in college and a giant nothing in the pros.
JJ is being controversial to stay employed. But his nonsensical comments makes you realize that his basketball IQ is at a moronic level. What does his basketball career look like, repeating what Jerry West said about him? He was a mediocre player and did not win anything worth mentioning in his NBA career.
@@AbeJayPee494 He didn't do anything noteworthy when he was in the NBA.Michael Cooper and Dominique Wilkins have already called him an arrogant fool and they're both right.
I think he knows what he's doing and it's working.
I have seen a few no-look over-head-bounce passes that Bird made in the post, leading to points or dunks that are some of the most amazing plays in the history of basketball. He was a true artist and great to watch as he roamed the floor and was ALWAYS a threat. He is up there with the greatest of all time, def. in top 10
No he isn't in the top 10.
@@dariussuite1605 you are correct BIRD is the true goat 🐐 😉
@@donnas8408 Bird is ranked 36 in scoring 45 in assists and a very embarrassing 62 in rebounds, which proves he is overrated, he's not even ranked 35 in any stats, no one with such horrible stats should never be considered or mentioned in the top 10 or 20 and never in GOAT conversation period.
@@dariussuite1605 using cumulative stats to try to prove a player's ability is hugely flawed as it caters more towards consistency and longevity more than actual ability. A person who plays 5 seasons scoring 30 points every season is going to have less points than a player who plays 15 seasons scoring 12 points every season, but it's obviously the player who played for 5 seasons that is better at scoring or at the very least, more productive
@@njldst2007 Bird played 13 seasons not 5 that's a long time, he is ranked 36 in scoring 45 and and just a horrible in rebounds, stop digging, he's not and has never been in The GOAT convo.
JJ He’s a stat guy. As a lifetime laker fan, i know the biases out here against anything Celtics. No doubt Bird is an all time great, just ask Magic. Appreciate JJ’s boldness here, but he is wrong on this one. Bird would dominate todays NBA also, just like Luca.
Byron Scott thinks Larry is a sprinter compared to Luka. Oh, and Larry would trash talk Redick so bad he would have him crying on the floor. Amd the 3 point like didn't come into being until Larry's rookie season. He didn't have the benefit of shooting 3s growing up like today's players do.
Yeah, just ask Magic. Well Magic is the greatest for supporting Larry. Two equally great individuals.
@@terrenceolivido741 They have great respect for each other. The documentary on both of them is just tremendous. I cannot recommend it highly enough. Just a great documentary.
Bird was much more athletic than Luka and all the folklore about his lack of athleticism is ridiculous. Bird was very quick, moved fast in space and had a standard level NBA leap.
The way the game is played today is all about shooting 3’s. Possession after possession, run up launch the ball bring it in take it down court launch the ball. It’s spectacular to see people make those amazing long distance shots for sure. Certainly a different era a different game. However, i(speaking for me here)get bored watching todays game by half time. Never ever did that occur watching games from past decades. The battles would go under the basket and back out to include 3 point shots if needed. I guess I’m spoiled from watching the greats from the Lakers Celtics Pistons 76’rs etc etc etc.
I've heard people call today's game "hero ball."
@@John_Malloy …interesting…spot on take.
15yrs in the league and I've never heard of the guy... enough said.
You are a casual.
you just outed yourself as a casual
@@ApatLang lol! Casual?
How many teams did JJ play for?
Tell us...
@@ianmichelson768 cmon if you don’t know JJ you’re either a hardcore casual or have been in a coma for the last 20 years
@Ya Dig i know who he is. I know that he played for 6 mediocre teams, averaged about 10 points per game and was terrible on defense. He was used primarily as a second or third stringer most of his career. He never made an all-star team or was on a team that won a championship.
He scored a ton of points a Duke but choked under pressure.
Now, go on and say what's so great about the dude...
“ poor man’s Danny ainge” 😂😂😂
Give us back the 80's NBA!!!
Alot of people never heard of JJ Reddick, and The Legend speaks for itself, Bird would absolutely Dominate Today's NBA in his prime
JJ Who???
I just heard of him and he's dumber than dirt.
@@randycastro5290 This is what I am asking?
They have no answer for bird he came from the 80 when they played defense
Bird played in a different era. Imagine if Bird or any of the star players from bygone eras had all the privileges that modern basketball players have growing up: year round training, better strength and conditioning, better equipment, better facilities, etc etc.
Good point, but you forgot the biggest difference. In the 80's NBA players flied commercial airlines in coach! Think about that for a minute. 7 footers cramming into coach seats on Delta and then having to sign autographs walking all the way to baggage claim. Now these pampered pukes have their own private planes and limos but can't play in half their games because of "load management". In the 80's superstars played EVERY night unless they had a damn broken leg. The NBA of those days was men made of Iron. The current NBA product is garbage, I never even watch it anymore.
@Joey Tatum I’m not an NBA fan (I prefer watching the NFL) ,I check in from time to time to see what’s up but that’s it. But every time I check in, NBA fans are not chill at all. So that’s a lie.
,,,no defense...
Dominique said it the best. It's not about Larry or Steph, holding something or someone off with your hand is easier than with your chest. He should try pushing a car on neutral with his hand, then his chest. Then let him say which one's easier.
Younger guy's may not know, but having season tix for the Lakers from 1979-1989 I can tell you that Michael Cooper was the shhht, and as a fan he and Kurt Rambus were my favs, and I'm sure Kareem and Magic would vouch that those two guy's with their talent and toughness were as important to the team as they were (sometimes more) when it was crunch time! My step dad had two seats 2nd level, dead center birds eye view of the game, and I think he paid around $1,200 a year for those seats. In 89' the Forum deemed those as "Senate" seats and moved us up and to the left, and that was that he didn't renew. Cooper could get unbelievably hot from the 3, and Rambus was one of the toughest white boys in the league, and a helluva rebounder!
yep, I watched. Only on tape delay. 👍 Coop was tough, Rambis, worthy, hell, the entire league was tough. They had to be everybody was a scrapper in the lane. That's where the action was at. Do you go to a cinderella ball, or a Greatful Dead Concert?🤣
Yes, as a Celtics fan I always got nervous when they put Coop on Bird, he always played him the toughest.
@@andybilakshow260 Went to a Dead show at the Greek Theater in 1985 and couldn't believe it. Was like going back in time. Went again at Anaheim stadium in 87' but only hung in the parking lot. The most eerie event I was ever at was "the last LA Street Scene" in 1985. Cholo's, crips, bloods, skinheads, bikers, all watching Fishbone perform, with crazy tension in the air. 3 or 4 deaths, 30+ stabbings etc, and Mayor Tom Bradley banned the event for good after. Was the 80s version of Altamount.
@@cowboysfan782008 You know I got the Greatful dead from Walton right?
@@andybilakshow260 No but am aware of Bill being a big fan from his doc, and I'll tell you a true story. I picked cowboys fan because we lived in Plano, outside of Dallas from 1975-early 78' when my dad got transferred to So Ca, so I spent my 1st two yrs of LL and Pop Warner in Tx when the boy's were great, along with Earl Campbell at UT. My dad came to CA 3 mo's early, and when my mom sis and I flew out 01-11-78, walking in front of us at LAX from the plane to baggage claim was this giant slender man that turned out to be Bill Walton. He was about 40 yards in front of us so I never got his autograph, but it was him. Hated leaving Tx and didn't like So CA until I got used to it, then dug it, but now it's an over-populated over-taxed melting pot, so I may pack up the wife and kid's and go "home with the armadillo" as they say.
If Bird played in today's NBA, he would be as dominant. What the hell was JJ smoking?
No he wouldn’t he would get fouled out
he would prob average like 12 bro
Lol ok kids time to go to bed. probably havent see any old game online at least ..
He was a great shooter whether guarded or not, he would probably would score more due todays crappy defense lol
Change your diaper kids
@@Srt3D01-db-01 I’ve seen over 100 full bird games, his jumper is beyond slow for todays game and he would not be able to create his own shot against defenders today.
Synthetic grass..."2030 weed".
Thanks for the video. It particularly gives good background as to how this current discussion developed.
☘️ Larry Legend
One bone to pick tho. You thumbnail (or whatever it's called) shows Bird and implies that HE made that comment in the balloon. That seems, not only to literally put words in Bird's mouth, but to be clickbait. You don't need that, and it's low.
Agreed. I couldn't have said it better myself. I know "Swish Nation" is relatively new, but every video I've watched from this channel so far, is solid, and the overall presentation seems to improve with each episode.
@swishnation4840 You don't need clickbait titles. If your content is good, and your videos are pro-level quality, which I believe they are, let them stand on their own. "Journalism", which sadly doesn't really exist anymore, in our upside-down world of clickbait amateurs, which applies to every profession; sports, local, national, world, etc., should be about gathering facts, confirming sources, and ultimately reporting the truth. The content can be presented in story form, of course, and in a way that draws people in, and then keeps them engaged mentally, regardless of feelings, emotions, and/or opinions. Factually honest reporting doesn't need clever clickbait titles, derived from half-truths. If a news story of any kind needs clickbait titles, the story probably isn't worth reporting, or reading.
@@jondubb35 Great perspective. I think I missed the click bait though. Could be just me.
The last four letters of his last name says it all.
If you got fouled shooting a 3 back in the 80s, you only get 2 free throws.
No one GAVE AN F about 3's then. EVERYONE was focused on establishing dominance in the Post.
IF these guys had to play teams from the 80s /90s IT WOULD BE DEATH BY 1000 CUTS. These current Guys have NEVER had to defend Guys at every position that Play the Post like they could.
It’s little known fact Doc Rivers would leave the game and put on his overalls for his plumbing business. Dominique Wilkins was a firefighter all those years in Atlanta - that’s why he couldn’t be traded. Also Karl “The Mailman” Malone worked his route in Salt Lake City for 19 years.
For those that were fans in that era that loved and watched basketball religiously, know that it was common knowledge, that most teams in the 80s had what’s called a no layup rule. Which basically means if you were coming down to get a layup you got knocked on your butt.
Detroit did that to MJ...put him on his but the whole game...i love watching those old games...
Dominique always is pure class, a true gentleman.
If Curry, Bird, Jordan, and Kobe were in a 3 pts shooting contest, my money is on Bird to win. He was a storm cold killer, and hit more big pressure, clutch shots than anyone. He even told the other team where the shots were coming from, he was double & triple teamed on 3pters and even shot them left handed, and no one could stop him.
What does "storm" cold mean? Lol
God, I love Michael Cooper!!” I would’ve locked your ass up!!”
“” JJ Reddick would’ve spent more time on the bench if I had guarded him”
Awesome, just awesome 😎
He shot the three so infrequently early in his career a good percentage of the ones he did shoot were half court heaves at the end of quarters and that will bring the percentage down. He was at least 40 percent when he started taking two or three per game before he had the heal surgery where they detached his two Achilles which would be similar to rupturing them and even with his bad back shot .389 and .406 his last two seasons and I think he was probably riding a bike for a lot of those seasons practices and not getting the reps he normally would have gotten. He didn't think you should get an extra point for that shot which is why he didn't shoot a lot early on except when he needed to.
Larry's first year in the NBA was the first year for the 3 pointer. Imagine if Larry shot three-pointers his whole life.
Curry would go home crying if he had to play Boston or LA or the pistons from that Era
Don't forget the 76ers, the Knicks, the Bulls, the Rockets, the Trailblazers, the Bucks when talking about physical, hard-nosed assault and battery with attempted rape as defense
I so wish we could see that!!! Lol
I wish I could watch old Detroit play every team in the current nba.
Even the Knicks...
Lol and what would they do to him when curry just isos and shoots a 3
Even the 1990's were more physical than today's NBA! Michael Cooper said of J.J. Redick "all his accolades came in college" (at Duke). It would seem that all his knowledge of basketball came from his time at Duke as well.
Bird played team ball and played to win for his team not just to make stats for him self
He was the ultimate team and franchise player who sacrificed his back for the fans.
Game wasn't physical? Anybody see the Celtics and Sixers from 79 to 84? Damn near every possession there were three or four guys picking themselves up off the floor.
It was war. Todays nba is a romantic comedy.
He destroyed the 3 point contest with no misses. That was after he came in strutting and asked who is coming in second to me. If we preferred the 3 point the way we do now, he’d be a monster.
Never even took off his warm up jacket lmfao.
He had misses. No one has ever done the 3 point contest with no misses.
I love me some Larry Legend but he never had a perfect round in any 3 pt contest warm up jacket or not.
Moron. You're literally making up shit.
You're recounting a myth, not actual facts. It's easy to make someone looks good when you're not talking about the truth
"Poor man's Danny Ainge" 🤣🤣🤣🔥
I saw that as an insult to Ainge
Ainge was a great player. A big part of the reason they won nba and conference championships 4 straight years.
Bird averaged 30 a game in 86 and only took 3 3 pointers a game. Let him go shoot at least 10 a game at today's pace and he's averaging 45 easy.
He wouldn't average 45 today lol
That's right
@@grant1739 Average scores were like in the high 90s and they scored 30+. Jordan scored 37. In today's game where the game averages are like 115-120. They're adding at least 10 to their averages.
When the 3 point shot came into the league, it was thought to be a way for teams to make up deficits late in games and make them competitive. It wasn't a regular part of offenses for years to come. Redick thinks he's smarter than everyone else because he went to Duke.
JJ would sit on the bench if he was on Larry's team..he would never see the day of light.