Beethoven once again changes how we hear the music. Stravinsky like melodies but with the discipline of tempo, he takes us into a different world. It is unlikely he ever physically heard this composition with all its complexities because of a severe hearing disability, which is even more remarkable. Because of the pure love of music, and in total disregard for handicaps, he gives us an opportunity to ease drop on the mind of a Maestro. Thank you Beethoven, for being Beethoven.
What I was trying to convey was, this music will never be surpassed, indeed, it will never be matched and that anybody who tries to match it should abandon hope of doing so. A genius such as Beethoven comes along not once in a lifetime but only once ever
And although I am a BIG fan of Beethoven's music, I still say that The Grosse Fugue was his own little joke,like (let them try to figure it out, NA NA NANANA). and although I have tried and tried and listened to it many times I just don't like it and i I certain that he was just taking the Pee on the so called (for The TIme) in-crowd, cocking a snook we used to say
+Jack Fletcher . There will never be another beethoven. Just like there will never be another mozart. There will also never be another jack fletcher. :) honestly though, yea Beethoven can put us in a trance and make us blinded from other talent. mozart was pretty darn good too. Beethoven lacked melodic talent or even a good memory, but he was a math genius and made up for the rest by studying other geniuses his whole life. He continued writing long after his deafness basically for his love of a woman. He constantly tested musical limits to test how deaf he really was. How he could keep the dedication without hearing it is beyond me, but I'm glad he did. He showed what determination, emotion, power, and love is all about. By the way, beethoven uses tons of mozart ideas in this song. Including a few from his Jupiter symphony. Yes, it's a great piece. But never duplicated? Anything is possible .
One can't define this really but for myself, some melody's just move me and If I had hair it would stand on end. There are SO many that I love but no matter how many times I listen to The 2nd movement of Beethoven's "Emperor" it still raises the hackles. I'm sure that you know it well, but on the off chance that you haven't heard it give it a good listen I think that, no matter what your taste in music is that you will grow to love this. Let me know!
my life has been built around Beethoven for 50 years, yet I cannot cope with this work: it sounds ugly, but I know you will not agree... discordant is the word I would use.
I like this interpretation far more than others for its meno mosso, above all the stretta. Some block so hard in one's heart melts and he or she begins cry and weep. Furtissimo!
L'uomo che ha "spiegato" Beethoven a quattro giovani entusiasti (fra i quali, una meravigliosa fanciulla) che oggi veneriamo come "Quartetto Italiano"!
If you don't get its beauty, you just don't get it so don't say it isn't when what's lacking is your capacity to understand one of Beethoven’s supreme compositions.
You may well be right, sir but I have listened to it many times and I still say this it is the ONLY piece of Beethovens music that I can't get to like.
Furtwangler's is the best rendition of this divine-possessed work. Beethoven considered himself as someone like Christ. The conductor was also possessed by the composer's spirit. All sounds are meaningful and the final bar's ritardando is the slightest one among all performances: it sounds as if the music ends in the middle of the process of Beethoven's soul which is moving from suffering to salvation.
I never played this myself, but I think you have to be very careful to make the audience understand the structure of this piece. In this version, I understand nearly everything.
Ben diretta, ma preferisco di gran lunga la versione per quartetto d'archi. Più incisiva,visionaria, entusiasmante. Paragonabile, come grandezza e arditezza della concezione alle Piramidi d'Egitto o ai più importanti monumenti dell'umanità o a Shakespeare.
I can not stand orchestral versions of this piece. Plus furtwangler is extremely over rated in my opinion. I do not hear much sublime greatness in his recordings. From the very first this version is too slow plus there are weaknesses in the dynamics.
Beethoven once again changes how we hear the music. Stravinsky like melodies but with the discipline of tempo, he takes us into a different world. It is unlikely he ever physically heard this composition with all its complexities because of a severe hearing disability, which is even more remarkable. Because of the pure love of music, and in total disregard for handicaps, he gives us an opportunity to ease drop on the mind of a Maestro. Thank you Beethoven, for being Beethoven.
The most successful performance of this amazing work I've heard. While many quartets bring out the strain and stress, Furtwängler also finds ecstasy.
gnorn ecstasy is such a right word.
Also hindemith version
What I was trying to convey was, this music will never be surpassed, indeed, it will never be matched and that anybody who tries to match it should abandon hope of doing so. A genius such as Beethoven comes along not once in a lifetime but only once ever
And although I am a BIG fan of Beethoven's music, I still say that The Grosse Fugue was his own little joke,like (let them try to figure it out, NA NA NANANA). and although I have tried and tried and listened to it many times I just don't like it and i I certain that he was just taking the Pee on the so called (for The TIme) in-crowd, cocking a snook we used to say
+Jack Fletcher . There will never be another beethoven. Just like there will never be another mozart. There will also never be another jack fletcher. :) honestly though, yea Beethoven can put us in a trance and make us blinded from other talent. mozart was pretty darn good too. Beethoven lacked melodic talent or even a good memory, but he was a math genius and made up for the rest by studying other geniuses his whole life. He continued writing long after his deafness basically for his love of a woman. He constantly tested musical limits to test how deaf he really was. How he could keep the dedication without hearing it is beyond me, but I'm glad he did. He showed what determination, emotion, power, and love is all about. By the way, beethoven uses tons of mozart ideas in this song. Including a few from his Jupiter symphony. Yes, it's a great piece. But never duplicated? Anything is possible .
+Jack Fletcher ..10:19 till about 10:35 was basically taken right from Mozarts Jupiter.
Of course he did, neither could Caravaggio paint, Bernini could not sculpt for nuts and Stradivarius made crap instruments
One can't define this really but for myself, some melody's just move me and If I had hair it would stand on end. There are SO many that I love but no matter how many times I listen to The 2nd movement of Beethoven's "Emperor" it still raises the hackles. I'm sure that you know it well, but on the off chance that you haven't heard it give it a good listen I think that, no matter what your taste in music is that you will grow to love this. Let me know!
Furtwängler....Holy godThis is the best interpretarion I ever heard... Thank you for uploading this !
Thus spoke Friedrich Nietzsche..
my life has been built around Beethoven for 50 years, yet I cannot cope with this work: it sounds ugly, but I know you will not agree... discordant is the word I would use.
Assolutamente stupenda e del tutto particolare questa versione orchestrale!
Mi sa dire se questa versione orchestrale è originale di Beethoven o è stata fatta da altri? Grazie.
Non credo che sia di Beethoven che scrisse oltre al quartetto buna trasposizione per pianoforte a 4 mani.
Grazie Vincenzo. Comunque chi l'ha orchestrata ha fatto un buon lavoro.
I like this interpretation far more than others for its meno mosso, above all the stretta. Some block so hard in one's heart melts and he or she begins cry and weep. Furtissimo!
Qui siamo ai vertici assoluti della musica di ogni tempo.
C o n c o r d o .
I can’t imagine how Furt would perform it being 10 years younger. Titan.
L'uomo che ha "spiegato" Beethoven a quattro giovani entusiasti (fra i quali, una meravigliosa fanciulla) che oggi veneriamo come "Quartetto Italiano"!
5:25 = maat 161 (Meno mosso e moderato); 9:00 = maat 235 (allegro); 11:47 = maat 416; 13:13 = maat 495; 14:34 = maat 535 (allegro molto e con brio)
Gijs Raeven grazie!
Eccelente!
If you don't get its beauty, you just don't get it so don't say it isn't when what's lacking is your capacity to understand one of Beethoven’s supreme compositions.
You may well be right, sir but I have listened to it many times and I still say this it is the ONLY piece of Beethovens music that I can't get to like.
What do you mean Sean? I love the Hammerklavier?
I stand to be corrected, but It may be that the Grosse Fugue was the original 3rd movement for The Hammerklavier
Like you said it is probably me and not the music but i have listened to it on and off for 55 years or so and it just does not grab me
I am lucky in that I have an excellent broadband service here in old Erin ,300 wotsits at the moment
Grazie
Here we are dealing with the greatest music piece of 19th century - consisting anagram of Bach name, H-C-A-B
Medellín Colombia. Me gusta la gran Fuga por la orquesta sinfónica y veo insulsa cuando la ejecuta un cuarteto de cuerdas
Furtwangler's is the best rendition of this divine-possessed work. Beethoven considered himself as someone like Christ.
The conductor was also possessed by the composer's spirit. All sounds are meaningful and the final bar's ritardando is the slightest one among all performances: it sounds as if the music ends in the middle of the process of Beethoven's soul which is moving from suffering to salvation.
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Incredible, titanic!
I never played this myself, but I think you have to be very careful to make the audience understand the structure of this piece.
In this version, I understand nearly everything.
beautiful and calm, sweet sugar
as if ım listening to the 9th..rest in peace...
How many extant furtwängler grosse fuge recordings are there to date?
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Ben diretta, ma preferisco di gran lunga la versione per quartetto d'archi. Più incisiva,visionaria, entusiasmante. Paragonabile, come grandezza e arditezza della concezione alle Piramidi d'Egitto o ai più importanti monumenti dell'umanità o a Shakespeare.
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Can't match the actual as played by string quartets. this version plays notes but lacks substance and meaning.
Because the dynamics are weak and the tempo both too slow and lacking power the whole sound world is one of monotony.
Such a supreme judgment..you are extremely lucky you ever got to listen to this
hahahahahahahaha okay genius
I can not stand orchestral versions of this piece. Plus furtwangler is extremely over rated in my opinion. I do not hear much sublime greatness in his recordings. From the very first this version is too slow plus there are weaknesses in the dynamics.