I truly believe this is one of the best videos you’ve done. As you mention, it really sets up everything else and I think where most people go wrong. If you aren’t doing this right, everything else you do later in the swing has to be some sort of a compensation
Great video…I remember why I saved it. Takeaway part was very good, but not really my problem. The backswing part, especially the feel you should get REALLY helped me solve my problem, and was easy to follow, and not seen like that on many videos….Thanks Eric.
This is a great drill and what I exactly struggle with. I am a single handicap golfer, but not as consistent as I can be. My backswing tends to be too shallow and my downswing is too steep. Complete opposite of what I want to do. I am hoping this video will turn things around for me. Thanks again for your awesome videos! Keep em coming!
Marc, your comments mirror my game. I'm a Brit and play off 5 but too inconsistent so rely on a tidy short game to scramble more often than not. I'm going to work very hard re this video. My swing is club far too quick inside then far too steep downswing leads to an OTT contact and hard pulls or fades. Best wishes.
By far the best video and explanation for the takeaway to back swing sequence! Been struggling with a disconnected start to swing, as well as flat backswing. Thanks! Look forward to implementing this into practice today.
A really great explanation Eric, it has given me more consistency and direction, plus I feel more confident when I have a narrow fairway to contend with. It needs a lot of practice for the first part of the takeaway but anyone who gets that right will turn more and strike the ball much better.
Very helpful to me. One of the things I work on is pointing the butt close to the ball in my backswing. It helps me any way. Thanks for your videos and work.
Very helpful illustration of keeping the stick on your leg until first parallel. My tendency for years is to pick up the club away from the leg way outside causing me not to shift my weight properly. This image of keeping the stick on the leg really helps keep me rotating properly on the backswing. Now if I can only make it part of my natural swing so I don't have to think about it!
Thanks, Robert! That not thinking about it part should be expected to take months. I dont think that should be the short term goal. the short term is that you NEED to think about it....the goal isn't to remove that it's HOW to think about it thats the key. All the best
Great lesson! I just had shoulder replacement, and I thought that I’d use the opportunity to reconstruct my swing. I have a net and 60 yard pitching range in my backyard. Taking easy swings off my mat, I’m hitting solid, effortless shots that are resulting in lofty, appropriately distanced ball flights. Excellent use of alignment sticks. Amazingly quick results.
Great video. I was starting to point the shaft outside the safety zone and was really making me flat , this video makes it clear for me once and for all
Great drill but I thought in the second part it was the stick was supposed to point just inside the ball line? Yours appeared to be about halfway on your real swing? Does that distance change as the club gets longer ie 9 iron versus driver? Your the best Eric!
Thanks! Thats right...I might exaggerating a bit here.... You want the butt of club (stick) to point roughly AT or slightly inside the ball/target line when the lead arm is parallel in the backswing... This would be considered "on plane"
Great instruction on the takeaway and transition into the top of the backswing. My question that I never hear addressed from any instructor, is when I make a full backswing and go past 90 degrees, I lose sight of the ball with my right eye (I’m right handed), and can only see the ball in my left eye periphery. I have some limited rotational flexibility in my neck (arthritis). Is the answer simply to make a shoulder turn to the maximum point that I can see the ball? Is this common? I can turn my shoulders about 80 degrees before losing sight but am able to physically rotate them about 95-100 degrees.
" Is the answer simply to make a shoulder turn to the maximum point that I can see the ball?" -Yes. "Is this common?" -Yes. You should not turn back as much then.....OR....see what else would need to change so you could (several micro parts there) (Neck rotation, thoracic extension, etc)
hi eric. I took a shallowing class from you. one part was keeping arm parallel to shoulders on backswing. wouldn't that contradict the pointing the alignment stick down to that area? seems like to keep arm parallel to shoulders on backswing stick would point way in front of ball. thoughts? thk you
Hey Michael! I'm not sure I 100% understand what you are saying maybe if you can re phrase for me? This is just a way to exaggerate the shaft being more vertical in the backswing which is ONE WAY to help it shallow on way down As a average you are looking to keep the club shaft "on plane" (butt of club pointing at ball/target line in backswing) OR pointed slightly inside of it
Hey Eric great video! My backswing has recently become way too flat again 🤦♂️ Why might working on this cause a shank as you said in the video? Is it because the new feeling of a more vertical shaft on the backswing, although desirable, could drastically change path on the downswing for someone who is used to swinging flat?
Hey Christian! I would need to see your swing on video to really offer you specific advice without making too many guesses. Feel free to join www.cogornogolf.com so you can send me your swing videos and ask questions like this.
Hi Eric, thanks always for the excellent instruction! That said on this piece, is the hand-forward okay since dogma(however erroneous) tells me to keep the uppercase ‘Y’ instead of the lower case ‘y’ this piece would yield.
Hands just inside left thigh at setup would be the "stock" setup.....so hands slightly forward with shorter clubs and more in line with longer clubs... So slightly more lower case Y than upper case. Of course that's a "Stock" answer....not all good players do it. Would need to see your swing to say for YOU what you would need to do
Eric, this video was part of my practice plan and I can rep in the mirror no problem. I start from the top and swing down perfectly. I look at video of my range session yesterday and I am not completing my backswing. My army instead of 90 is like at 45-50 and I fire from there. Is there a feel or a mental concept I can take to the range and course to know that I've finished my backswing and it's ok to swing down at that point?
Hey Daniel! I'm not 100% sure that I follow what you are saying here BUT I THINK you are saying you need a feel to LENGTHEN your backswing? If so... 1. Feel like the backswing takes an extra 2 seconds to complete. Not slower but takes longer like this: ruclips.net/video/qxFnjCqLL_8/видео.html 2. You could put an object above that you need to get to like this: ruclips.net/video/Fedg7-TkoAA/видео.html
Hey Maury! It definitely exaggerates what way....in a real swing you want the butt of the club to point AT or just inside the ball/target line to be "on plane"
Hey Eric. Seen a tonne of videos that use the alignment rod through the grip like this. A question I've always had though. Is this still the same position you find your hands in WITHOUT the rod? or is it just an exaggeration because the drill requires it? It looks like most pros have the butt of the club pointing more towards the body at address.
Hi Eric! What club are you using here? I have success with these drills using a short iron. When I try them with a 5 or 4 iron I feel my plane and timing gets off. Thanks.
Fits beautifully! The more VERTICAL and angle of the shaft the easier to shallow coming down ruclips.net/video/IigyNraZ7Vo/видео.html ruclips.net/video/V7V0WU-1dkM/видео.html
Hey Eric! Nope....makes you more shallow coming down (with shaft) ruclips.net/video/wtx2_ub8m9o/видео.html ruclips.net/video/IigyNraZ7Vo/видео.html ruclips.net/video/V7V0WU-1dkM/видео.html
Great video Eric. I am trying to solve for going too far back on the back swing. Turn too much so go past parallel. Started having my back swing start with just arms and then hinge vs. starting with body turn. Is this an acceptable move? Has improved my consistency with every club except driver.
Hey Eric, i have been working on the 10 to 4 Drill for a couple of months now to get rid of my over the top motion. Would you say its productive for me to have such a steep Shaft on the top or would a Shallower angle on the top be easier for me to get shallower in the downswing?
Hey Florian! I would suggest you upload videos on the site for your next feedback when you are ready so we can give you specific advice. Not everyone should go steep, not everyone should go laid off. There is more to the story that a black/white answer here.
You could....usually getting the club head right in line with the hands (on plane) is a good place to start I go through that here: ruclips.net/video/2Tqj9p-GqlI/видео.html
Eric, when u point the butt of the club at toe line and bring it to the top, top of the swing look narrow as oppose to deep. Isn’t deep and high the objective of the backswing?
Eric!! Please help that guy behind you with his swing!, At 8:16 in the video. He has zero follow thru, then watch his reaction , and then looks up for the golf Gods for help! lol
The second part feels so different than my regular swing. Much more vertical. Could my flatness there contribute to my hooking irons and slicing driver? Can’t wait to get to the range.
@@kaydell321 focusing on the 2nd part of the drill has dramatically reduced my hooking of irons. The driver needs more practice but I think it is helping. Feels very awkward to get the driver so vertical.
A bit confused here. Been watching all these videos on shallowing the club & realize that’s on the thru swing but aren’t you too vertical with the club in this video ? Thanks, Steve
Hey Steve! One option to shallow the club on way down is to steepen it on way back ruclips.net/video/V7V0WU-1dkM/видео.html ruclips.net/video/IigyNraZ7Vo/видео.html ruclips.net/video/wtx2_ub8m9o/видео.html
Hey Lars! Yup! As with most all things golf-not everyone does it the same. This is simply advice for what I see most golfers do....which is TOO MUCH lead shoulder internal rotation and lead arm pronation. Just cause Mickelson is good doesnt mean we should copy his swing either :)
Another great video Eric! I wish you would of talked loud so the guy behind you practicing would hear you😂. his takeaway and downswing is not in line with your teachings. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Yes, I saw him. I'll never understand how people will play golf 3 to 4 times a week and never improve because they won't take lessons. Golf is fun but even more fun when you learn and improve.
If he would only complete his full swing would be a great starting point, And he would get a big smile seeing the ball can at least go somewhere with a full swing.
I truly believe this is one of the best videos you’ve done. As you mention, it really sets up everything else and I think where most people go wrong. If you aren’t doing this right, everything else you do later in the swing has to be some sort of a compensation
Appreciate it, Tony!
The absolute best video on the takeaway on tube. Bravo & tks Eric. Best wishes, Russell
Thanks, Russell!
Great video…I remember why I saved it. Takeaway part was very good, but not really my problem. The backswing part, especially the feel you should get REALLY helped me solve my problem, and was easy to follow, and not seen like that on many videos….Thanks Eric.
Appreciate it Samuel!
This video is phenomenal. I’ve never seen the takeaway instructed in such a helpful way. You’re a heck of an instructor!
Appreciate the kind words! Thank you!
Probably the best golf video I’ve ever seen!
Tried it this morning and it was a game changer.
Glad to hear that, Ed!
Thoroughly enjoyed the clear, concise presentation. As always, great information in a simple, easy to understand video. Thanks!
Thanks, Joe!
This is a great drill and what I exactly struggle with. I am a single handicap golfer, but not as consistent as I can be. My backswing tends to be too shallow and my downswing is too steep. Complete opposite of what I want to do. I am hoping this video will turn things around for me. Thanks again for your awesome videos! Keep em coming!
Thanks, Marc! Hope it helps!
Marc, your comments mirror my game. I'm a Brit and play off 5 but too inconsistent so rely on a tidy short game to scramble more often than not. I'm going to work very hard re this video. My swing is club far too quick inside then far too steep downswing leads to an OTT contact and hard pulls or fades. Best wishes.
By far the best video and explanation for the takeaway to back swing sequence! Been struggling with a disconnected start to swing, as well as flat backswing. Thanks! Look forward to implementing this into practice today.
Thanks, Joe!
Loving the videos.
Please help that guy at the range behind you. Some student reviews would be nice too
A really great explanation Eric, it has given me more consistency and direction, plus I feel more confident when I have a narrow fairway to contend with. It needs a lot of practice for the first part of the takeaway but anyone who gets that right will turn more and strike the ball much better.
Love it!
Very helpful to me. One of the things I work on is pointing the butt close to the ball in my backswing. It helps me any way. Thanks for your videos and work.
You are welcome, Andy!
Very helpful illustration of keeping the stick on your leg until first parallel. My tendency for years is to pick up the club away from the leg way outside causing me not to shift my weight properly. This image of keeping the stick on the leg really helps keep me rotating properly on the backswing. Now if I can only make it part of my natural swing so I don't have to think about it!
Thanks, Robert!
That not thinking about it part should be expected to take months. I dont think that should be the short term goal.
the short term is that you NEED to think about it....the goal isn't to remove that it's HOW to think about it thats the key.
All the best
Great lesson! I just had shoulder replacement, and I thought that I’d use the opportunity to reconstruct my swing. I have a net and 60 yard pitching range in my backyard. Taking easy swings off my mat, I’m hitting solid, effortless shots that are resulting in lofty, appropriately distanced ball flights. Excellent use of alignment sticks. Amazingly quick results.
Thanks, Herman! Glad to hear its helping...hope you are feeling better!
Great video. I was starting to point the shaft outside the safety zone and was really making me flat , this video makes it clear for me once and for all
Thanks!
Does the shaft point at the tow or just inside with the driver as well.
Even know it a long club
Eric , This awesome stuff !
Thanks James!
Great drill but I thought in the second part it was the stick was supposed to point just inside the ball line? Yours appeared to be about halfway on your real swing? Does that distance change as the club gets longer ie 9 iron versus driver? Your the best Eric!
Thanks!
Thats right...I might exaggerating a bit here....
You want the butt of club (stick) to point roughly AT or slightly inside the ball/target line when the lead arm is parallel in the backswing...
This would be considered "on plane"
Great explanations. I am a senior who is not particularly tech savvy. What type of equipment should I use to take a video of my swing? Thanks.
Thanks Bruce! iPhone or iPad should work great!
@@CogornoGolf Thanks, Eric. Alas, I own neither.
Great video Eric!!! Thanks
Thanks, Carlos!
Great instruction on the takeaway and transition into the top of the backswing. My question that I never hear addressed from any instructor, is when I make a full backswing and go past 90 degrees, I lose sight of the ball with my right eye (I’m right handed), and can only see the ball in my left eye periphery. I have some limited rotational flexibility in my neck (arthritis). Is the answer simply to make a shoulder turn to the maximum point that I can see the ball? Is this common? I can turn my shoulders about 80 degrees before losing sight but am able to physically rotate them about 95-100 degrees.
" Is the answer simply to make a shoulder turn to the maximum point that I can see the ball?"
-Yes.
"Is this common?"
-Yes.
You should not turn back as much then.....OR....see what else would need to change so you could (several micro parts there) (Neck rotation, thoracic extension, etc)
Thanks Eric! I appreciate your response, very helpful!
A perfect lesson for my back swing. Thanks.
You got it! hope it helps!
hi eric. I took a shallowing class from you. one part was keeping arm parallel to shoulders on backswing. wouldn't that contradict the pointing the alignment stick down to that area? seems like to keep arm parallel to shoulders on backswing stick would point way in front of ball. thoughts? thk you
Hey Michael! I'm not sure I 100% understand what you are saying maybe if you can re phrase for me?
This is just a way to exaggerate the shaft being more vertical in the backswing which is ONE WAY to help it shallow on way down
As a average you are looking to keep the club shaft "on plane" (butt of club pointing at ball/target line in backswing) OR pointed slightly inside of it
Same with Driver? Especially the second half of the back swing to the top? Good stuff
Yes...less hinge tho.
Eric Cogorno Golf explain less hinge with driver please
Eric - Awesome!! Jim
Thanks, Jim!
Hey Eric great video! My backswing has recently become way too flat again 🤦♂️ Why might working on this cause a shank as you said in the video? Is it because the new feeling of a more vertical shaft on the backswing, although desirable, could drastically change path on the downswing for someone who is used to swinging flat?
Hey Christian! I would need to see your swing on video to really offer you specific advice without making too many guesses. Feel free to join www.cogornogolf.com so you can send me your swing videos and ask questions like this.
Hi Eric, thanks always for the excellent instruction! That said on this piece, is the hand-forward okay since dogma(however erroneous) tells me to keep the uppercase ‘Y’ instead of the lower case ‘y’ this piece would yield.
Hey Joon!
Are you taking about hands forward at setup?
Eric Cogorno Golf Correct.
Hands just inside left thigh at setup would be the "stock" setup.....so hands slightly forward with shorter clubs and more in line with longer clubs...
So slightly more lower case Y than upper case.
Of course that's a "Stock" answer....not all good players do it.
Would need to see your swing to say for YOU what you would need to do
Eric, this video was part of my practice plan and I can rep in the mirror no problem. I start from the top and swing down perfectly. I look at video of my range session yesterday and I am not completing my backswing. My army instead of 90 is like at 45-50 and I fire from there. Is there a feel or a mental concept I can take to the range and course to know that I've finished my backswing and it's ok to swing down at that point?
Hey Daniel! I'm not 100% sure that I follow what you are saying here BUT I THINK you are saying you need a feel to LENGTHEN your backswing?
If so...
1. Feel like the backswing takes an extra 2 seconds to complete. Not slower but takes longer like this: ruclips.net/video/qxFnjCqLL_8/видео.html
2. You could put an object above that you need to get to like this: ruclips.net/video/Fedg7-TkoAA/видео.html
Outstanding Eric thank you!
Nice drill! Thanks
Thanks, Sergio!
Are those check points the same for driver?
Same takeaway....less hinge with driver until later at the top
Great video Eric! Is this a complete backswing? Or should the hands go up even more?
Thanks! They should go up more.
buenas la verdad amazing video lo disfrute ansioso de el proximo éxito me despido les mando besis agradecido
Does this make the shaft too steep at arm parallel?
Hey Maury! It definitely exaggerates what way....in a real swing you want the butt of the club to point AT or just inside the ball/target line to be "on plane"
Great video my issue trail arm bends to much in real time . Any tips on that ?
Rotate your chest more.
Smart ball or range bucket between arms
ruclips.net/video/7qpgswfeHJc/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/YL3Enfq5vYM/видео.html
Hey Eric. Seen a tonne of videos that use the alignment rod through the grip like this. A question I've always had though. Is this still the same position you find your hands in WITHOUT the rod? or is it just an exaggeration because the drill requires it? It looks like most pros have the butt of the club pointing more towards the body at address.
Hey Rory!
It will be slightly more forward with the stick (hands even with left thigh) vs setup (inside left thigh)
I would not lose sleep over that
@@CogornoGolf thank you!
Hi Eric! What club are you using here? I have success with these drills using a short iron. When I try them with a 5 or 4 iron I feel my plane and timing gets off. Thanks.
Hey Bryan! I am likely using something 9-7 iron. Principles apply with all clubs.
How does this fit into the shallow the shaft concept? Is the shallowing just a downswing part?
Fits beautifully! The more VERTICAL and angle of the shaft the easier to shallow coming down
ruclips.net/video/IigyNraZ7Vo/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/V7V0WU-1dkM/видео.html
does getting the shaft that vertical not cause you to be steep? thanks for your time
Hey Eric!
Nope....makes you more shallow coming down (with shaft)
ruclips.net/video/wtx2_ub8m9o/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/IigyNraZ7Vo/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/V7V0WU-1dkM/видео.html
Great video Eric. I am trying to solve for going too far back on the back swing. Turn too much so go past parallel. Started having my back swing start with just arms and then hinge vs. starting with body turn. Is this an acceptable move? Has improved my consistency with every club except driver.
Yes it is. The reality is you need to record yourself from face on and match your feels with reals. Thats the solution.
Eric Cogorno Golf Thank you. Will be purchasing Live View.
Smart man!
Hey Eric, i have been working on the 10 to 4 Drill for a couple of months now to get rid of my over the top motion. Would you say its productive for me to have such a steep Shaft on the top or would a Shallower angle on the top be easier for me to get shallower in the downswing?
Hey Florian!
I would suggest you upload videos on the site for your next feedback when you are ready so we can give you specific advice.
Not everyone should go steep, not everyone should go laid off. There is more to the story that a black/white answer here.
Can you use this takeaway for chip shots?
You could....usually getting the club head right in line with the hands (on plane) is a good place to start
I go through that here:
ruclips.net/video/2Tqj9p-GqlI/видео.html
Hey Eric - at 8:16 you said “keep your shoulder in”
Can you explain that further? First time hearing that.
Hey!
Shoulder in meaning right shoulder back at setup....the piece I talked about more in the "automatic draw" video with the setup!
Is this also true for mid-irons to driver?
Absolutely!
Thanks Eric. Also, signing up for corgonogolf real soon. Promise
Eric, when u point the butt of the club at toe line and bring it to the top, top of the swing look narrow as oppose to deep. Isn’t deep and high the objective of the backswing?
Hey Geoffrey! Thats cause I'm only 3/4 backswing here....that would be achieved as the hands continue to work back to the top.
Eric!! Please help that guy behind you with his swing!, At 8:16 in the video. He has zero follow thru, then watch his reaction , and then looks up for the golf Gods for help! lol
The second part feels so different than my regular swing. Much more vertical. Could my flatness there contribute to my hooking irons and slicing driver? Can’t wait to get to the range.
Samuel Radcliffe me too! Please let me know how you do
Sure could! But also maybe not....would need to see your swing to say what you should or should not do for sure.
@@kaydell321 focusing on the 2nd part of the drill has dramatically reduced my hooking of irons. The driver needs more practice but I think it is helping. Feels very awkward to get the driver so vertical.
A bit confused here. Been watching all these videos on shallowing the club & realize that’s on the thru swing but aren’t you too vertical with the club in this video ?
Thanks,
Steve
Hey Steve!
One option to shallow the club on way down is to steepen it on way back
ruclips.net/video/V7V0WU-1dkM/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/IigyNraZ7Vo/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/wtx2_ub8m9o/видео.html
Not sure...have you seen Koepkas left elbow?
Hey Lars! Yup! As with most all things golf-not everyone does it the same. This is simply advice for what I see most golfers do....which is TOO MUCH lead shoulder internal rotation and lead arm pronation.
Just cause Mickelson is good doesnt mean we should copy his swing either :)
I need to move or if you come to the San Francisco Bay Area, you get a free room and I get a lesson or 3...
:)
Another great video Eric! I wish you would of talked loud so the guy behind you practicing would hear you😂. his takeaway and downswing is not in line with your teachings. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Why don’t you suggest hitting a ball with the stick on the shaft pls?
that sounds like a stab wound 😂
Only short swings if you do.
Couldn't pay attn, I was too focused on the dude behind you lol
They guy behind you still needs your help
Yes, I saw him. I'll never understand how people will play golf 3 to 4 times a week and never improve because they won't take lessons. Golf is fun but even more fun when you learn and improve.
If he would only complete his full swing would be a great starting point, And he would get a big smile seeing the ball can at least go somewhere with a full swing.