The Down, Out And Up Method
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Thanks Eric. Your videos have really helped me improve my golf game. When I miss hit this drill helps me get back on track. Playing more stress free golf now.
Love it Dale---Appreciate you being here with us
One of the best vids I'm seen here on RUclips.
I've shared with all my friends.
GOOD STUFF.
Appreciate that my friend!
Two awesome teachers collaborating. What an amazing thing. Thx for the drill. JB told me a few years ago I needed to get the cup out of my left wrist. This drill will help me tremendously as I have never been able to correct the issue. Thank you both!
You got it Alex.
Try this one with the tee as well, I like this one for this
ruclips.net/video/H9GDJiUSFFw/видео.html
Good solid drill for club path, face angle and lowering ball flight. However it assumes proper hip turn and rotation. If you struggle with getting steep and not rotating you still can be static and early extending. You did it skillfully as usual !!
Thanks, Don!
Good lesson. Parallels your twist away session. Nice to see John again. Thanks for helping me refocus in an easy way.
Thanks, Russ! 100% same ideas as twist away!
This is pure gold, thank you so much. It has given me absolute clarity and understanding of key points in the swing and transformed my ball striking.
Thanks, Martyn! Glad to hear that....these concepts have helped many of my students (myself included :) )
Enjoyed the video - it just confirmed something I have been doing for some time. My swing thought was to turn /twist the grip counterclockwise. You added the out and up to my thoughts. Thanks!
Love it, Lewis!
Thanks....your comment about not liking left wrist feels (may have been in another of your vids?) worked for me. Having the left wrist just bending back (logo down) just felt weird...especially at the top!! Real weird!! Who am I, but even DJ looks awkward at the top....so imagine me!!
Keeping the left wrist flat at address and 'pulling' the right wrist breaking the wrist back and in plane seemed to do the trick. I don't think I even worried about the 'and up' part as I was hitting ball solidly with what may have been a three quarter swing! I even seem to have sorted out my 'J Arthur's'!! : ) Thanks again!!
Thanks man! Agreed....I personally like the trail wrist as well....more right wrist extension
ruclips.net/video/eseEJ90WEnw/видео.html
Great video from two smart golf minds. I'll visualize this on my next range session.
Thanks, Frankie! Hope it helps!
Love this video! Excellent breakdown. Thank you.
Appreciate it!
Yes. Very, very good. Having been taught decades ago to get the toe pointing up at shaft parallel I kinda worked this out for myself 3 years or so ago. The feeling I have is “right hand on top” of grip, almost “twisting” the clubface shut (compared to old feeling). Much better, more consistent strikes and lower ball flight
Love it, Martin!
If your hitting hooks from this hand action then your ready for the next piece. Get yourself a face angle pointer and learn to match the back of your left hand to the face angle. The face is going to point more to the right at address which is fine. To hit tight draws your face needs to be right of the target line and left of your path. If the toe is down the face is closed and we want for all shots the heel of the club leading the strike.
I like it!
THIS WAS FREAKIN' AWESOME!!! Please show this with the driver. I'm constantly struggling with not being able to make good contact with driver as I do with irons. As well, I've taken more of the "Tommy Fleetwood" set up you did a few videos back "shaft straight down left arm" and stronger grip. This down, out and up feels difficult with the stronger grip...
Thanks, Kevin! Would love to help...but I really need to see whats going on. Check out www.cogornogolf.com you can send in your swings!
This was absolutely excellent, Eric. Let me compare this video to the $2000 four day golf school put on by Martin Chuck at the Raven Golf Club in Arizona: shit to Shinola. That Canadian faker had an assistant teaching us who couldn't find the fairway with his driver or the green with his wedge. "Goofy", as we called him, never played college golf. What a ripoff!
Chuck who designed and sells the "Play Station" and the "Tour Striker", didn't show us how to use either. That's sad because the "Play Station" does what Bierkan did with the alignment sticks. The "Tour Striker" forces a student to hit down on the ball to insure solid compression. Summing my comments up: your free video far exceeded Martin Chuck's $2000, four day course. In fact, your video taught me what that phony, Chuck, didn't.
Really liked this lesson, grabbed a club in the basement and was able to get a good visual and feel immediately.
Thanks, Ryan! See if you can get a foam or whiffle ball and get some hits in :)
I love 7:28 -- Eric's version of Fred Couples favorite reaction to his strikes..."Oh, Get Down ball".
:)
Very good Eric. I actually have a very similar drill or visual where I try to keep the golf pride logo facing perpendicular to my address position on the backswing. Same thing as not seeing the logo of the glove. Very cool. I have this on my favorites video list. Great work. 👍🏌🏿♂️
Love it
Great video. My 10 year old daughter struggles with rolling her left wrist during the take away. I am going to place a sticker on her wrist as a fun way to do this drill. Have you ever thought about a series for juniors? Thanks again for all the great content.
Love it Dave! We used to work with a ton of juniors over the past decade or so...but less as we have shifted priorities online. Maybe sometime in the future!
Good job this really helps me
Happy to hear this one helps, Enock!
What a super helpful thought
Love to hear Mark!
Great video Eric.
Thanks, Andy!
I liked this ....... hardly any teachers talk about wrist angle
Thanks, John!
This is a fantastic drill. I feel like you must know I struggle with my take away positions and keep coming over the top. 👍🏻
:)
You're the man Eric! Keep it up.
Thanks, AJ!
Hey Eric and John, A great drill it helped me immensely with my hands taking away the club which gives me an open club face. I shoot a 82 My Irons were fantastic , Long clubs I struggled with topping a little thin... I also struggled practicing hitting up hill as our course is very hilly.. Do we just keep working on the down out and up up hill and down hill thanks Meegan
Hey Meegan!
Thanks for the message--I'm glad to hear that!
I would say yes...if you were to do this move you would do it in all scenarios/ lies, etc. as a general rule
@@CogornoGolf ball position adjustments and set up alignments compensate for lie angle differences from range practice.....
Worked great on the driving range, then not so good front nine. But on the back nine, worked great! You just have to get used to the ball going left, then adjust your aim. Every shot feels really solid.
Glad to hear that, Richard! Hope you keep on with it and it keeps helping!
Wonderfull. I like so much this drill
Thanks, Marcelo! Good stuff here from John!
When I started changing my swing, I hit a couple of duck hooks & my partner said in amazement, "I've never seen you do that ever in all these years." I said I'm changing my swing & it's good that it happened.
100%
Great video. Easy to understand.
Thank, Rick!
Great video! You are consistent on those 100 yard shots going further, had a similar result with Milo.
HAHA yessir good memory....I am consistent I guess :)
Eric. Yet another terrific video. I really admire your knowledge and your teaching abilities. One little thought with this I had was - might it not be better to just think logo down on takeaway rather than 3 different thoughts. When I tried this the takeaway thought still achieved tge other 2 positions naturally!
Also, one question:- is this the John Rahm backswing?
Great stuff and thanks so much
Love it, Stephen! I like that---the more simple the better!
Yeah Rahm definitely has lead wrist more in flexion so he would be a good example here!
Excellent drills 👍
Appreciate it!
Great lesson, , repeatable drill, easy to pratice!
Thanks, Jim!
I like it, I was wondering how to flatten my right wrist on the back swing.
Hope it helps...
Here is more on flattening right wrist:
ruclips.net/video/eseEJ90WEnw/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/vGqZJjnDA0Q/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/wDl5b_PULsU/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/85QhjRS1ChE/видео.html
Great video as usual, Eric!! Jim
Thanks, Jim!
There's so many RUclips videos that are great like this but you still gotta go to the range and dig it out of the dirt and ingrain it no matter what method you use.
No doubt about it. No getting around the work---no magic potion
@@CogornoGolf thank you for all of the videos, had a great range session last time out and after working on positions in the living room, tempo is what's making it happen for me.
Hello from France.
I find this excercise very interesting, as I tend to push my balls to the right.
Question: do we have to do this with all the clubs (except the putter)?
You could do this with all clubs yes (full swing)
@@CogornoGolf Thank you Eric, for the accuracy and speed of the response!
I think that this will correct my problem of push to the right +/- systematic. I know the problem, but, I had difficulty to find a solution, credible.
Thanks again.
Great clarity. Eric do you consciously turn your glove logo from pointing down to pointing out or should it do this naturally when your going up at the correct angle?
Consciously do it (if you don't naturally)
Curieusement J’ai commencé ça la semaine dernière , j’envoie du Rahmesque !
Really good, I make it a point to make sure my clubface is “looking” at the ball for the first 2-3 feet of backswing
Love it
ruclips.net/video/HM5xElkpUi8/видео.html
Good tip tip keep in mind. Well done.
Thanks!
Terrific video. Keeping in mind the down, out and up thought how goes that work with the down swing and contact area?
Thanks, Dennis!
You can feel SOME of the same things on the way down.
The more you do it on the way back the LESS you should have to do it on the way down.
I talk about about that here
ruclips.net/video/lr8JV6ShmRI/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/H9GDJiUSFFw/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/vGqZJjnDA0Q/видео.html
Great work Eric, as always. Tell me if I’m right or wrong, but this palm down takeaway will also help you from taking the club inside and also keep you on plane ?
Thanks! Yes it will
This will help even more with that:
ruclips.net/video/kkhdjWDxmsE/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/pRt-IfPIFkI/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/1B-3OuGTcsM/видео.html
Great Tips and Practice Drills
Thanks, Doug! Appreciate it my friend!
Great video. Why not just keep it out and keep turning? Is there really a need to get to the up position?
you can do that yep
The late great English teacher John Jabobs said keep the club face looking at the ball on the takeaway
I like that!
E, love this and using it successfully as a pre swing looking at the first check point for my back of wrist and club face. Q - on a wedge shot I look for the first check point of club face to be more open, right? Is it best to use down and out method only on the full swing of wedge?
Hey Lee--good question!
For all FULL SWING shots (wedge included) I would look at the club slightly tilted down (toe in front of heel) (leading edge roughly parallel to back line)
For partial wedge shots 30-100 that same thing can apply
For finesse wedge shots (0-30 yards) I would usually go more toe up so you have more bounce so you have more margin of error, easier contact, etc
Thanks Eric, makes good sense to me. Tried this today at range on my own before I read your reply and it seemed to work.
Thanks Eric!
You got it, John!
Have been trying this but ever second ball shoots off to the right [right handed golfer] like a shank but not a shank?
It's possible that you are achieving more extension with your arms which means more of a Heel Strike that clips the Hosel slightly which pushes the Ball off to the Right.
I do this occasionally on the Range.
I can see the small Impact Mark on the Front of the Hosel usually.
Hey Dennis!
Not sure....would need to see your swing on video to say for sure what's going on.
Feel free to sign up at www.cogornogolf.com so you can send your swings in!
I'd know that voice anywhere @johnbierkan! Great video guys!
:)
Hey Eric... I love the twist away but am not seeing the specific moves you need to try to get that ball started more to the right. Is it tons of lower body rotation? Something else? Thanks for the great lessons!
Hey Alex!
I would say their are a few variables to get the ball started more right
1. Swing path more from inside (to the right)
2. More shaft lean
3. Less closing face through release (if you open in less in backswing you dont have to close it as much on was down)
Hope that helps
“Let’s hit some hooks you can always come back.” I’ve been trying to “come back” for 5 years now.
Haha hey Todd.....you're taking too long then pal :)
It should be much EASIER TO COME BACK than to get left in the first place.
I could fix that for ya quickly....www.cogornogolf.com
He’s not lying Todd, BEST golf 🏌️♂️ instruction online site out there today! Hell, the video library alone with the Master Classes is worth the low price of admission!
two easy fixes...Hogan: Aim right, swing left
Best/mine: back away from the ball, feel a bit of a reach at address like Moe and me swing...most stand too close and get stuck...=hook
Thanks
You got it, Gary! Thanks for watching!
Hi Eric enjoy your video. There are many Korean golfers who are out there interest in your content. if you add Korean subtitles I bet your subscribers will go up
Thanks, Michael! I appreciate you bringing that up. I will mention that to the team and see if we can get that done.
@@CogornoGolf sounds good. I will spread the word to Korean golfer community. Great content needs to be shared!
Appreciate that. I looked into it and it looks like it would need to be done manually I believe. I think the english subtitles is auto. Not sure there is an immediate work around to that but still working on it! :) Thanks again!
Solid gold.
Thanks, Philip!
This helped me compress the ball but now my right elbow is on 🔥
:)
Amazing.. Truly
that was great guys
Appreciate it!
10m 9s Rehearsal
10m 12s Real shot
These 2 are quite different swings. I really like the rehearsal with almost a bowed wrist!
Yessir
Absolutely, exactly, no question.....correct. Yes, Perfect 😂
:)
Great video,,, my question is, do I still pull my hands slightly in over my toes during the take away?
Hey!
Thanks!
Yes--most good players will get the hands over the toe line or middle of the foot.
Eric, is the “Down, Out, & Up” drill/feel basically the same as the “Twist Away” drill/swing feel? Can it be used in place of, or should it be used in conjunction with Twist Away? Also thinking 🤔 about the Hangar Drill in relation to Down, Out, & Up; are all three of these drills basically teaching the same feel but just using different methods, lending the student the ability to choose which one promotes the “Best” feel? And lastly, but not leastly (🤔), the downswing feel, should we be consciously trying to hide the logo on the way down as well? 🍻🏌️♂️
Hey Kevin!
Yes-same idea as twist away!
Thats correct. The hanger would be the same thing as well.
You CAN, but don't have to. The more you close it on the way back the LESS you need to close it on the way down. If you close it on the way back and its STILL OPEN then yes do it more coming down. If you do it coming down and it gets too closed pull back a bit.
The key here is "The down" part should be done with mostly shoulder turn. A lot of bad players turn too flat.
Thank for the feedback, Michael! Shoulder turn definitely a PART of it! Arm rotation and wrist angles relative to grip other big parts
Hey Eric do you always tee up that high for irons? Love to see a short video on tee height for driver, woods and irons. Thanks.
Hey Samuel! I only tee it up on this range due the the conditions. All of the rain and usage in the fall has produced very little grass and a lot of sod. SO its like hitting off a fairway bunker :)
Where should the logo be at impact and at the follow through paralell?
Hey! Did a video on that here:
ruclips.net/video/BlZriUpP7Ns/видео.html
Eric I know you like to try many feels. Have you ever tried the feeling of pulling up with trail hand and pushing down with lead hand in downswing ? Me experimenting it creates more lag and speed with whip action at bottom. Has anybody ?
Hey Paul!
Yep...thats an option/feel that works well for some!
Hooking the ball a lot with this drill should I adjust that left wrist to more neutral or see that logo just a bit more?
Hey Greg!
I would need to see your swing on video to say for sure for you whats going on.
It starts with your grip. IF you grip is stronger you likely wouldn't need to do this as much.
Then I would look at release.....if you dont open the face as much on the way back you dont need to close it as much on the way through
ruclips.net/video/XiGbh1SyBXY/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/3QQUyRnRSJU/видео.html
@@CogornoGolf Thank You
My tempo thought has been 1,2,3 to the full finish. Now I will think D,O, UP!.
:)
Great vid and explanation as always Eric🔥as someone w a fade as my "go to" shot, my first thought is hitting smothering hooks but do you feel like you can work the ball either way w this swing thought?
Ok you just explained the hooking shots in vid, and of course just the way I was wondering 🤣 do you feel like this naturally alters your swing path at back or down and curious how driver shots would look w this move, especially if looking to hit a high cut down wind🤔
Thanks, Brian!
Can def hit either way.
DJ, Colin, Viktor, Brooks hit cuts as main shot with this move! Lots of speed helps!
Would you do this with your driver swing as well? Or is this attack angle wrong for trying to drive the ball up when tee'd up?
Same question i have
Hey Roger!
Yep you can do the same with driver....more if your face is normally too open.....less if its not.
Compared to other instructional videos I’ve seen, don’t you want the club head more in front of your hands on takeaway? Not so much with the hands and club head parallel?
Hey Adam!
IF you look at a spectrum of good ball strikers I believe you would see the AVERAGE of that would have the club head more or less in line with the hands from down the line when the club is parallel to the ground.
This would be roughly between middle of foot and toe line.
Here is more on the takeaway in detail:
ruclips.net/video/uoz5jvrsTMA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/GTTA5py0H9s/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/hLvPvYQ8tQA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/1B-3OuGTcsM/видео.html
How do you do this without promptly getting the clubhead inside the hands to an unrecoverable position?
Hey Rex!
Assuming you are talking about early in the takeaway
You do it by not rotating your arms. Keeping lead shoulder externally rotated and no lead arm pronation.
Eric: When I do this, I hit the ball solid, but low & left. How do I get more height? I'm 70 years old and have a slow swing speed around 75mph. Thanks!
Hey Greg! Yeah if you dont have enough speed you may need to lighten up on this so you have more loft.
The more speed the player has the more they can do this.
I would prob not do it as much and allow yourself to close it a bit more in downswing with arm rotation
@@CogornoGolf Thanks, Eric! Should I have a lot of forearm rotation in the backswing & downswing to increase my clubbed speed?
Not a ton in backswing---some.
A bunch on downswing
ruclips.net/video/wCs7m-fOI-M/видео.html
My problem is that I hold the club face open at impact. I've tried to keep the face closed by bowing my left wrist but I still "hold on" at the bottom. Any suggestions?
Hey Philip!
Yes--stop holding on :)
you always fix a problem by doing the opposite and exaggerating
So what's the opposite of holding on?
do that
Exaggerate
confirm with video
I have been working on this for about 3 months now. When it comes to actually swinging the club, my wrist starts to cup and I get an early release to compensate for the open club face. When I try this, it just feels so unnatural and hurts/strains my wrists. Is this something that just takes time for muscle memory to learn? I'm positive my grip is neutral. I feel like there is some key that I am missing. I truly believe this is the move that will get me to scratch handicap. Stuck at about a 5 right now. Please help!
Would love to help!
" Is this something that just takes time for muscle memory to learn? "
-Yes for sure but it shouldn't cause pain. Tension....yes....you are literally flexing the wrist/muscle...but not pain.
You can try it with right wrist more bent back feels...I will include some links to help below....but the only way I can for sure help is by me seeing your swing!
Sign up at www.cogornogolf.com so you can send in your swings
ruclips.net/video/85QhjRS1ChE/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/vGqZJjnDA0Q/видео.html
Hope that helps get ya started
@@CogornoGolf Eric, I really appreciate you taking time to respond! I will take a look at your recommendations and your website!
Hey Eric, interesting drills again.
I see you using the tee a lot in your latest programs; what’s the rationale?
Thanks Matt
Hey Matt! The range conditions are not great...its like hitting off of a fairway bunker. So I tee it to make it less impossible for myself :)
@@CogornoGolf if only I could do that with all my shots 😂
Is this the same as your video "The holy grail" . Looks very simalar and would just applying a stronger grip be the same ?
100%...
Same as the twist away, same as the wrist angle videos, fix your weak shots, etc.
Prob have 10 videos saying the same thing :) But we will keep doing it bc I keep seeing it as a problem :)
So this is the hand and arms come along for the ride
Hey Mark! Thats a subjective topic really depending on what along for the ride means
This left rist bent stuff really hurts my carapl tunnel left wrist. Guess to play good golf I gotta have surgery.
Please don't make any motions that cause you pain!
Appreciate you watching the channel!👊
@Eric Cogorno Golf I play ok once or twice a week but I'm always checking your channel for tips to get better.
Does this work the same for woods? I have seen something similar before but the person was demonstrating with irons as well.
I find that it does but be carful not to over do it with the woods and long irons. The shorter clubs should appear to be a little more closed going back that the longer ones.
Yep
Good one. Eric, does this work for woods as well?
Thanks! Yep
This is the same as your twist away method?
Yep!
Could you use this wrist method to hit draws and fades?
for sure...either...or both!
What if we have a strong grip
Great question!
Talk about that here:
ruclips.net/video/S776LyvM6Pc/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/lxyLhDS_UrM/видео.html
9 iron, a hundred yards max... oh i can relate to that very well
:) lol
GOLD!!!👍🏽👍🏽
Thank you :)
Will this work with a driver or the fairway woods?
Yep!
Do it more if your face is more open already....less if its already square to closed.
Can do more if you have more speed!
Same with driver?
Yep you can do the same with driver....more if your face is normally too open.....less if its not.
Morikawa has the wrist bowed at the top yet his club face does not appear shut like your’s does, it’s more neutral. Why is that?
Hey Scott!
His face does get closed but less....because his grip is weaker than mine thats why.
Would we want to feel less of this in the short game to prevent the leading edge from digging?
100%...about the exact opposite
ruclips.net/video/fqxIpUSaU2M/видео.html
Does this swing apply to all clubs driver and so on
Yep
what happens with the logo follow though ?
Hey Joseph!
Here ya go!
ruclips.net/video/BlZriUpP7Ns/видео.html
This is my biggest issue. I manipulate the club too much in my swing and tend to roll my hands open.
Joe it helps my friend!
this should help:
ruclips.net/video/kkhdjWDxmsE/видео.html
Any questions?
:)
ok folks they miss that this is "upwing theory"... guess what? you don't hit the ball with your upswing...you have to learn "downswing theory"...and few teach that
Thanks for the feedback, Andre! It all matters....everything effects everything!
@@CogornoGolf indeed, however you will find that you can only focus on "upswing or downswing"...pick one
See the swing thought can only be one thing, it changes, but the better you can define what you are doing the more consistent you will be...it's 1 million miles from that practice tee to the 1st tee...better have a game plan.
agreed on that part!
Looks more of a simpler way to swing?. Less movement in wrists . Seems all about matching everything at impact. A bit DJ ish
Yep! Should make it a lot easier for a lot of people during downswing!
volume not consistence.. some part cant hear you
Sorry about that Jason--thats my fault. Working to improve it.
@@CogornoGolf no need to apologise.. just highlighting