Why Do You Not Believe in a Pretribulation Rapture?
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- Опубликовано: 30 окт 2020
- Hank Hanegraaff, the host of the Bible Answer Man broadcast, talks with Antonia who wants to know why Hank does not believe in a pretribulation rapture.
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Why does the timing of the rapture matter so much to people? Live for Christ no matter what happens.
Heresy misleads people into more ways than one.
@@SLVBULL I get that. But if not getting raptured before the tribulation is what turns people away than their priorities aren't straight.
@@dotticus true. But there is no rapture, so believing in one also misleads people.
@@Mrcrisis2012 so sad, what makes you hate the original apostolic church?
@@Mrcrisis2012 Begging the question, Why do you believe it walked away from Him?
Of course its Gods word, and to enter the normal protestant rabbit hole, which interpretation is correct amongst the 30k plus protestant denominations? And if you talk about "essentials", thats going to beg the same question.
Also, you think Christ was wrong and the gates of hell can trample over his Church?
Thanks.
this is so excellent, I have learnt so much from Mr Hanegraaff. Unfortunately, many Christians are not learning anything from many modern false prophets. I attend an open brethren assembly and am fully aware of the false teachings of dispensationalism. JN darby was a false prophet
I think, contrary to the caller's concern, that it will be those Christians who believe in a pretrib rapture that will fail to prepare themselves to refuse the mark under pains of persecution and death.
The same here
AND WE ARE NOT TO GO THROUGH WRATH. OF THE TRIBULATION THAT THE HEATHEN WILL ENBCOUNTER
@@billblackburn8765 Is that a quote from the Bible or just your own desire/opinion?
That's exactly what I'm thinking... these people will not only be unprepared but once they aren't raptured before tribulation their faith will weaken
@@billblackburn8765 I don't remember that scripture can you tell me where to find it
Hello Hank, I met you personally in Manchester, MO at a book signing. I loved meeting you and have listened to you for years. I am sorry to hear of your illness as well and will be praying for your healing. God bless you for delivering the truth my brother in Christ Jesus.
Thanks for your prayers.
Here is some good news regarding Hank's health... ruclips.net/video/LAwG9FT9F7c/видео.html
Blessings!
Our great hope is in the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and the life of the world to come, not a rapture. We struggle and suffer for Christ daily. There’s no “escape” from it and society constantly looks for it in times like these yet the “rapture” they speak of never happens. How many times does that story have to fall apart before dispensationalism is questioned? I’ve been Orthodox since 2008 and was Protestant before that but always questioned the rapture theory. If I’m saved through the body and blood of Christ there’s no need to seek a rapture and it’s wrong to seek an escape from suffering instead of enduring it as Christ did on the cross.
Amen.
Classy statement, thank you. Moreover, if I may say so, we are called to yield to, as in being totally replaced, by Christ within, as only He is qualified to live out His victory unto, within & through each of us, just as our Heavenly Father lived out His victory through Christ Jesus.
I've lost a friendship bc I don't believe in the rapture
Hank again shows both Grace and gratitude for this callers concern . However he hits the nail on the head by showing that the Chosen People are united by Christ on the Cross .as st Peter said God chooses people who live and serve Him from all tribes and nations .
Thank you Hank for speaking the truth! May God bless you ubundently.
Sorry to hear about your illness Hank. Praying for you. God bless.
I am with Hank 💯 on this assessment...he is right 👨👦👍
Yes, that view is a grave matter. I pray that this woman would reexame what, Hank says which is clearly on point.
It’s hard to walk with eyes open when the blind are leading the blind. Rapture is nothing short of heresy within the church.
Hank is the only theologian which makes sense of this topic. All the other apparent 'good ones' often leave me confused. I hope and pray Hank fully recovers, I thought he was in remission. I hope so x
Hank is in remission.
@@BibleAnswerMan Praise God 🙏🏼🙏🏼 may the Lord extend and preserve his life x
Consider this ☺️
The church is not still on earth during the great tribulation, (Night is coming where no one can work, John 9:4) Do you know what an age is? Jesus said that all sins against the son of man will be forgiven, but the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this age (The Messianic age, Present age) or in the age to come. The age ends at Jesus resurrection of the (Saints/ church) because that is when the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, that marks the end of that age. I believe this is before the great tribulation and I believe scripture supports this as I have shown. The age to come starts at the signing of the peace treaty with Israel by the antichrist and goes throughout the end of the thousand year reign. I believe this because sin is said to still be forgiven man in the age to come, the time after the fullness of the Gentiles has come in and the resurrection of the church, eg the great tribulation were people come to salvation and during the 1000 year reign also. Side note; scripture says we are not vessels of wrath, and that Christ will keep us from the trial that is to on the whole earth to test them. The test is whether people will take the Mark of the beast to fulfill their needs to live and survive I believe. If the rapture were to happen after the great tribulation that means the body of Christ would still have to watch the massacre of 2/3 of the population of the planet and be tempted to take the mark to survive. I believe that would be the most horrific thing anyone could possibly Witness or go through, and I don't think the father would put us through that. If we are not appointed as vessels of wrath and we are kept from the hour of temptation as Christ says I believe it means we are already with him in glory. I realize it takes paralleling scripture and interpretation of Scripture to come to the belief that we will be raptured before the great tribulation begins, but as I have shown there are vast differences between the second coming and the resurrection that cannot be ignored. Another thing to consider about the end of the age being the fulfillment of the fullness of the Gentiles coming in is that the Jewish nation is under a partial blindness as Paul
states until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, Romans 11:25. The Jews will start to come to faith during the great tribulation because that is the point of the great tribulation a.k.a. the time of Jacobs troubles. Before the veil can be lifted from the Jews the fullness of the Gentiles must come in. And since the Jews will start to come to faith during the great tribulation that means the fullness of the Gentiles must come in before the great tribulation begins. And after the fullness of the Gentiles has come in there is no longer a need for the church to be here on on earth scripturally. Matthew 28: 20 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age. (The messianic age, dispensation of grace) Romans 11: 25 25 i do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: Will The rapture cause Israel to see the truth of the Messiah and become envious unto salvation when the hardness is lifted after the rapture of the church.. (The fullness of the Gentiles) Romans 10: 19, “ Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says, 'I will make you envious by those who are not a nation; I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding.
''When Israel sees the rapture of the church of the nation of America perhaps, when has God yet made Israel envious of a nation in a way that leads to their salvation? Ephesians 3: 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward (dispensation of Grace)
2 Thessalonians 2: 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. (The beginning of the great tribulation where lawlessness shall abound and no one can work.) We now work by the power of the Holy Spirit unto the salvation of man, when he The Holy Spirit) is removed our work is complete and the The messianic age ends, along with the dispensation of Grace and the need for the church to be on the earth witnessing and working. Matthew 25: 23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
I believe that the rapture of the church will cause The jealousy of Romans 10: 19 in the nation of Israel. This along with the lifting of the blindness that begins with the fullness of the Gentiles having come in and having been Ruptured the Jews see the truth and become envious of the church that is now with the God they dearly love but have been blind to see but but have been blind because of their rejection of the Messiah. 1 John 2: 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. They will acknowledge the Son as the true Messiah when they see the New Testament proven true by the rapture of the church. This is proven true by, Zechariah 12:9-10 9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. What other eschatological event is Abel to prove to the Jews that the one they crucified was their Messiah other than the proving of the gospel of Jesus Christ by the rapture of the church who believed that Jesus was the Messiah. Romans 1: 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile Matthew 19: 30, 30 But many who are (first) will be (last), and many who are (last) will be (first). Revelation 20: 6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the (first) resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." The Gentiles received the Love of the truth and they are saved, 2 Thessalonians 2: 10. Jesus is the way the truth and the life, John 14: 6. The Gentiles herd the gospel (last), but because of their faith they will take part in the (first) resurrection, See Rev 20: 6. The Jews herd the gospel (first) but rejected it so they will take part in the second resurrection. (The resurrection of the two witnesses in between the resurrection of the gentiles and the resurrection of the Jews is a separate resurrection event.) Revelation 3: 7-9 To the Church in Philadelphia 7 "To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars-I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you” What is the key and the open door? Matthew 16:18-19 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys *(The gospel) of the kingdom of heaven, *(The open door) and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." * emphasis mine. The body of Christ are all members of the same true church. The promise to the church of Philadelphia is a promise to all the true churches throughout time. There was no event as spoken of in Revelation 3:10 that tested that church, their has never been any global event from God to test the faithfulness of people of earth in the context of rev 3:10. His promise to that church is a promise to his bride, all believers throughout history. The first resurrection is the promise fulfilled to his bride, and this takes place before the trial of great tribulation begins.
* The Rapture will occur when Jesus Christ returns for his church. This is when all true believers in Christ will be taken from the earth by God into heaven (1 Corinthians 15:51-52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).
* The Second Coming will happen when Jesus Christ returns to the earth to defeat the antichrist, overthrow evil and then establish his thousand-year reign on earth (Revelation 19:11-16).
Comparing the Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ
In the study of Eschatology, these two events are often confused because they are similar. Both happen during end times and both describe a return of Christ. Yet there are important differences to discern. The following is a comparison of the Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ, highlighting the key distinctions noted in Scripture.
1) Meeting in the Air - Versus - Returning with Him
In the Rapture, believers meet the Lord in the air:
* For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 1 Thessalonians 4:16- 17 (NIV)
In the Second Coming, believers return with the Lord:
* The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Revelation 19:14 (NIV)
2) Before Tribulation - Versus - After Tribulation
The Tribulation is a future seven-year period when God will complete his discipline of Israel and final judgment upon the unbelieving citizens of the world. The Rapture will happen before the Tribulation:
* For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 (NIV)
* Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. Revelation 3:10 (NIV)
While the Second Coming will happen at the end of the Tribulation:
* And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave,great and small.” Revelation 17-18 (NIV)
3) Deliverance - Versus - Judgment
In the Rapture believers are taken from the earth by God as an act of deliverance:
* After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 1 Thessalonians 4:13- 17
* For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 (NIV)
In the Second Coming unbelievers are removed from the earth by God as an act of judgment:
* Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. Revelation 3:10 (NIV)
* But the beast was captured and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs, he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh. Revelation 19:11-21 )NIV)
4) Hidden - Versus - Seen by All
The Rapture, according to Scripture, will be an instantaneous, hidden event:
* Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. 1 Corinthians 15:50-54
The Second Coming, according to Scripture, will be seen by everyone:
* “Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen. Revelation 1:7
5) At Any Moment - Versus - Only After Certain Events
The Rapture could happen at any moment:
* ...While we wait for the blessed hope-the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13 (NIV)
* For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18 (NIV)
The Second Coming won't happen until certain events take place:
* He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called Godor is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 (NIV)
* Immediately after the distress of those days, "The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken." Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. Matthew 24:15-30 (NIV)
* Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?” Revelation 6-18 (NIV)
As is common in Christian theology, there are conflicting views regarding the Rapture and the Second Coming. One source of confusion over these two end times events stems from verses found in Matthew chapter 24. While speaking broadly about the end of the age, it's likely this chapter references both the Rapture and the Second Coming. It's important to note, the purpose of Christ's teaching here was to prepare believers for the end. He wanted his followers to be watchful, living each day as though his return was imminent.
Speaking truth what you speak of (pre trib rapture) is false teaching preparing you to accept the anti christ.
You cant explain this any better but honestly it was brave of her to call & ask, knowing Hank is excellent at understanding & answering the correct exegetical interpretation of scripture
So many wonderful Christians know the history of their country but not the history of Christianity, ....their own faith.
The early Church spoke the language and lived the culture of the New Testament. They gave us the Bible,
the truly inspired writings because of their keen understanding and discernment.
They lived during those times.
Why should we think those early Christians are irrelevant today regarding the Last Days? We all still embrace the
Scriptures they handed down to us 2000 years later?
Why not give them a second chance???
Im Greek and this pre trib arpazw notion does not exist in my or many other countries..not even a thought or even heard of...we read the Early church fathers interpretations those who knew the true meanings behind the gospel scriptures because they knew the language and the manner in which they spoke then.Many of them who were even martyred for our Lord .I see this only in The USA, England and many places these denominations have gone to and taught this new doctrine..like Asia ,India etc etc.
@@mmaakkiinn Do you mean the Learned men that debated for centuries over a few words in the scriptures and gave themselves the authority to kill anyone who disagreed with them? The council of Nicaea made Jesus into a Liar. The Father is Greater than I. He GAVE me my authority. I did not always posses it throughout eternity. Arius and his followers were hunted down and killed for this heretical statement by a bunch of Christ Denying non Holy Spirit filled Peters who survived the Diocletian persecution and were given the authority by an Emperor who made a deal with God to wipe out his enemies. The authority to label and kill ANYONE who disagrees with you. Sounds like the Church of Jesus to me? Such a tragic day when the Church of Satan who controlled the Temple was reborn.
@@yahruachson2786..so are you saying to listen to you.. but not the early Church Father's who were those that spread the gospel the will of our Lord...👏👏👏👏 plus Monastics ,Saints ,Martyrs did not kill anyone but be killed...please I will not reply to anymore of your comments because your content is not from God but imagination , speculation and fear created by people ...There is no fear with the lord..we do not care what happens..we keep the faith ,keep his commandments and walk in life like him ..we might die tomorrow we might die in twenty or 50 years ..we must be obedient and prepared all our life to receive our crown..Yiasou
@@mmaakkiinn The disagreements among the early Church Fathers is what persevered the scriptures though the emperor Diocletian persecution which pretty much made New Testament Bibles extinct. They quoted scriptures back and fourth in their disagreements and Yes some of them did preach the Gospel. Those within the Church after the Council of Nicaea did not preach the Gospel. until one man stood among them against them in about 1500 and Proclaimed it! They were the one's doing the killing of those who believed in the Gospel and not the Mother Church. The True Church lies in a pool of Blood back to the CROSS!
@@mmaakkiinn I'm English. Is Greek that stable of a language? I know I do not very well understand English from about 300 to 400 years ago.
Oh boy, people want to hang on to their tradition. I agree with Hank for the reasons he states but like he says, we can debate this vigorously but not divide over it.
Very well said you have been blessed with patients and knowledge. May God continue to bless you
I want to encourage all of you brothers and sisters who are interested or are struggling with this topic to read Hanks book "The Apocalypse Code " , it is phenomenal. He goes so much more in-depth than he can in a 12-minute soundbyte . I believed in pre-trib Rapture for 30 years before I found out the truth from Brother Hank ! I am so glad I did ! It's like one of those pictures with a hidden image ... at first you don't see it, but when you finally do ,the light comes on and you can't unsee it . It's there, you can't deny it ... and you wonder why it took you so long to see it.
...and he is now Eastern Orthodox...do you subscribe to THAT position too?
While he is a very learned man, I *HEARTILY* disagree with him on both fronts.
What's wrong with being Eastern Orthodox ?
@@GeneGruber Eastern Orthodox is Christian faith, different than Catholic. Orthodox faith is comprised of Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, and Etheopian Orthodox. Orthodox means right belief. It is closer to those who knew Jesus. The Cappadocians were very connected to Jesus and believed Jesus was Son of God and Son of Man. So I very much ask as you did: "What's wrong with being Eastern Orthodox?"
Well said
Very well said hank !!!!
Thank you brother Hank and God bless you.
Dear hank: You offer a very persuasive argument on this topic. What i would really love to see, for all of us who are dreading going through this time of trouble, is perhaps you doing a video on how you. your family, and followers could efficiently prepare for this time of great sorrow. It gives me great sadness to realize I will have to go through this time, but perhaps you can provide us some solace as to how to deal with this challenging situation. thank you for listening, and I do hope you do the video. I believe it will be definitely appreciated by all.
There is a clear misunderstanding of Hank’s understanding of the great tribulation as taught by Jesus. To get a better idea where Hank is coming from see this article… www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/
As for preparedness, Hank understands that every family needs to take precautions for emergency situations, as they are part and parcel of this sinful and fallen world, and while we never know when they will happen, it is wise to prepare. Of course, there are lots of doomsday predictions made by so-called “prophecy experts” but they have a 100% failure rate. Despite the false prognostications, natural disasters and the like occasionally happen, and preparedness is wise. Hank offers reasonable guidelines for putting together a disaster supplies kit in The Millennium Bug Debugged www.equip.org/product/the-millennium-bug-debugged/
See this related article… www.equip.org/article/preparing-for-the-apocalypse-a-look-at-the-rise-of-doomsday-preppers/#christian-books-4
To be certain, when Jesus Christ appears again, the dead shall be raised from the graves. The saints shall be resurrected to eternal life in a new heaven and new hearth and the sinners to eternal condemnation in the lake of fire (Acts 1: 9-11; John 5:28-29; 1 Cor. 15:1-58; 2 Cor. 5:9-10; Heb. 9:27-28; Dan. 12:2; Rev. 20:11-12). We do not know when this will happen but it certainly will happen. Not a matter of if…
_"...perhaps you doing a video on how you. your family, and followers could efficiently prepare for this time of great sorrow."_
If the church was designated to go thru or even ENTER the tribulation for ANY length of time, scripture would tell us just what you've asked Hank to provide. The truth of the matter is, the church will be absent.
I've seen *NO* text that provides for us the "WHY" the church would have to undergo the tribulation, but there are passages that not only give us the *PURPOSE* of the tribulation, but also the *PEOPLE* it is aimed at, and NONE of the passages include the church.
All the best to you in your search for truth, *MARANATHA!*
@@Kman.We are already going through tribulation. People are being killed and tortured all over the world for believing in Jesus. Just bc it's not happening in America like that, at the moment, does not mean it's not happening. I think one problem is people mistake tribulation for God's wrath. We will not be present for his wrath poured out, we will ne meeting him in the air, the people left will be crying for the rocks to fall on them. One thing I realized, there is not a "the" in front of "great tribulation" ANYWHERE as if its a certain length of time. I realized that after a long time. People always say "the great tribulation" and that expression is nowhere in the bible. The Bible says there will be great tribulation and just tribulation period. We have coined that phrase and we think of the left behind movie. Yes, there will be ultimate chaos when the wrath of God comes down, that we will escape, but tribulation, persecution and unfair treatment we will not escape, but he that endureth to the end, shall be saved!
@BibleAnswerMan and just once. The rapture teaches Jesus will return twice
One thief on the cross demanded rapture, the other will be remembered.
One wasn't spoken to by Christ, the other will be remembered.
I want to be remembered and ENDURE TO THE END.
That is AWESOME!!!!
this woman is saying that we will "take the mark" if there is no so called rapture? Wow. I recommend some FF Bruce for her.
I recommend some Jesus of Nazareth for her.
Yeah her logic needs some fixing.
Really sad
Wo unto you who wait on the day of the Lord! Written in Amos. Praise God!!
Bless you, and thankyou. I agree with you! I really wanted to believe in a pre-trib rapture, but when I set down to study and pray, it became so clear. There isn't one! Thankyou for the clarity. And for what it's worth I pray for a miracle cure for your cancer.
One of the bits of "sleight of-hand" going on in Hank's reply to the concerned caller is his automatic pairing of the Rapture with Dispensational Premillennialism (as found in Darby, Scofield, Newton, etc.). One can still defend the rapture of I Thessalonians 4:17 ("then we who are ALIVE, who are left, shall be caught up [harpazo] together with them [the resurrected Christians] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air...") (RSV), but in doing so, one does not have to insist on all the details of 19th century Darbyism. For example, see George Eldon Ladd's book The Blessed Hope for ONE defense of a premillennial rapture without dispensational details. The rapture is clearly in the Bible and not a 19th century fabrication. Preterism is NOT the believer's only option.
No, it is not in the Bible, brother. Got sent His only Son to suffer and die, to save not condemn. Why would we get a free-from-suffering pass? We're here to net in men and if we're persecuted for it then so be.
Amen Brother Hank amen!
When do the dead rise? Answer that question and you will know when the rapture happens.
Rapture theory gives Christians an out. No suffering just whisked away to heaven while everyone else suffers. Really? What about all those Christians eaten by lions and slaughtered by Nero? If the rapture is true then God owes those saints an apology.
Pretrib rapture believers need to ask themselves honestly, have they come to believe in a pretrib rapture from reading the scriptures or was it from listening to the teachings of mere men. As Jesus warns ,LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU IN ANY WAY.
GLORY TO GOD.
I learned it from the bible alone, and it is NOT pretrib, but pre-wrath, aka pre-7th Seal.
Because they fear their authoritarian manipulative pastors.
consider this, in a Jewish wedding Ceremony when the son finished preparing a place in the fathers house for the bride, the father sent the son to return to gather the bride. The son did not know when the father would say his work of preparing the place for the bride was complete, and this corresponds with Jesus saying that he didn’t know the Day of his return nor the angels in heaven but the father alone, this is how we know that this applies to John 14:3. The bride than returns with the son to the fathers house for seven days, john 14:3 pictured. after this they return to the brides house, (earth). If you apply this to us as the bride of Christ and the fact that 7 days in the Old Jewish wedding ceremony correspond with the seven years of the great tribulation that we are in the fathers house with the son celebrating our union you can see where a pre-tribulation rapture is taught in scripture by using the pictures given.
Really? Think about you being a real loving Father who has 1(ONE) son and and you make him promises and some heritage , then you decide to adopt a second son do you think that he does not deserve your heritage?
@@ivanhuertas5307 your words make no sense friend.. can you try again ?
@@user-jy5ff3zo3u Of course real love the love of God does not make distinction if He was adopting us we will be heirs ONE people not ,...2 comings not 2 and a half...Romans 7:17 If we are God's children, we will get the blessings God has for his people. He will give us all that he has given Christ. But we must suffer like Christ suffered. Then we will be able to share his glory.....(HNT) ואם־בנים אנחנו גם־ירשים נהיה ירשי נחלת אלהים וחברי המשיח בירשה אם־נתענה אתו למען גם־אתו נכבד
@@ivanhuertas5307 I’m not sure how the post I left brings us to this conversation friend? The inheritance is promised to us by Christ as it was promised to Christ by The Father. By faith we are saved not by suffering. The suffering is taking up our own cross daily and denying the flesh following Christ. Not all will be called to shed blood for Christ and that’s good for them but do you suppose that they are not really saved?
@@user-jy5ff3zo3u i understand brothe5 and i am with you in everything exept that i dont see any pre-tribslation any where....
Those who hold to a midtribulation rapture teach that the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11:15 and the last trumpet of 1 Corinthians 15:52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16 are identical. Those who teach a pretribulation rapture identify them as separate events. What difference does it make, and how can we know the truth?
Why does it matter whether or not the trumpets are the same? God has given us His Word as the revelation of His plan of redemption, and that plan covers everything from creation to the new creation. Deuteronomy 29:29 says, “The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.” There are many things that God has chosen to reveal to us, and it is important for us to understand them so that we can obey Him. We don’t always understand why He does things, but we are called to trust Him for the parts we don’t understand and to study to understand the rest. As we look at the texts about these trumpets, it becomes clear that they are part of a chronology that God has given us of events in the last days. Whether or not we are still living when those events come to pass, they involve us, so we ought to know what God has revealed to us.
The book of Revelation has sometimes been viewed as a book of mystery, yet the title itself implies something brought out of hiding. More specifically, it is “the revelation of Jesus Christ . . . to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass” (Revelation 1:1). God wants us to know what is going to happen, so we can be prepared, and to help us in calling others to repentance. Beginning in chapter 6, we are given a chronological record of things that will happen in the last days. There is a series of seven seals, then a series of seven trumpets, then a series of seven bowls of wrath. We read in Revelation 11:15, “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, ‘The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.’” In the context, this seems to come around the middle of the tribulation period.
In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul is writing to believers concerning the transition from this life to eternal life. Our mortal bodies will be transformed into immortal, incorruptible bodies, prepared for the eternal kingdom of God. Verse 52 says, “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” Paul addresses the same subject to the Thessalonians, and specifically connects it with the Second Coming of Christ. “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).
There is no question that God has revealed these things to us and that He intends for us to be encouraged and instructed by them. The question is whether these trumpets are the same. If they are the same, then the rapture of the church happens in the middle of the tribulation period, and saints need to be prepared to endure those trials. If they are not the same, then we need to know when the last trump will sound, so that we can be prepared for it. In order to find out whether they are the same, we can compare the events they are associated with.
Events 1 Corinthians 15 1 Thessalonians 4 Revelation 11
Trumpet sound v. 52 v. 16 v. 15
Dead saints raised v. 52 v. 16
Living saints changed v. 52 v. 17
Death overcome by victory v. 54 v. 14
Jesus descends from Heaven v. 16 Not until Rev 19:11
Kingdoms of the world taken over by Christ v. 15
Wrath of God on dead v. 18
Rewards given to saints v. 18
Intended result v. 57-58 - thanks, victory, faithfulness until then v. 18 - comfort now, presence with Christ then v. 14,17 - woe on earth, thanks in Heaven
It is clear that the first two passages (Corinthians and Thessalonians) fit together, but the third doesn’t appear to have any correlation in either the events described or the intended results. The argument connecting them has to depend on the meaning of the word last in 1 Corinthians 15:52. The Greek word eschatos can mean either “last in point of time” or “last in point of sequence.” This trumpet sounds before the wrath of God descends, yet Revelation 6:17 speaks of the wrath of the Lamb as having come, and the seventh trumpet doesn’t sound until Revelation 11:15. The trumpet of 1 Thessalonians is given in a moment, whereas Revelation 10:7 indicates that the seventh trumpet will be sounded for a number of days. Even though the seventh trumpet is the last one described in Revelation, Matthew 24:31 indicates there is yet another trumpet which will sound “after the tribulation of those days,” when Christ returns to the earth, which parallels with Revelation 19.
If the “last trumpet” of 1 Corinthians 15 is not the same as the seventh trumpet, then what was Paul referring to? Both 1 Thessalonians and 1 Corinthians were written long before John wrote Revelation, so Paul’s readers would have no knowledge of the seven trumpets of Revelation. Paul intended for them to understand what he was writing about, so we need to look elsewhere for clarification. Paul’s writing was distinctly in reference to the church and the closing of the church age at the rapture. Throughout Scripture, trumpets were used as signals to gather people, to set armies on the move, and as part of the worship of God. The trumpet that summons the church is called “the trump of God,” while those in Revelation are angelic trumpets. Since it is a summoning trumpet, we can look to the Old Testament for further understanding. Numbers 10 gives instruction to Israel about the use of trumpets to call an assembly of the people and to set them in motion. The first trumpet blast (v. 4) called the leaders together, while a continual blowing was an alarm for the people. A series of trumpet blasts was the signal for each group of tribes to begin their journey, and the last blast indicated the movement of the last group in the camp. Similarly, 1 Corinthians 15:23 speaks of different orders, or ranks, in the resurrection: “Every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at His coming.” Further, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 divides Christ’s own into two groups-the dead in Christ and those who are alive and remain.
So, if the trumpet is the call for saints to assemble and journey to heaven, what does that mean for us? Jesus said that no one knows when the Day of the Lord will begin (Matthew 24:36), and 1 Thessalonians 5:2 describes it as coming as a thief in the night, without warning. In 1 Corinthians 15:58, we are told to be “steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord.” Just like the Israelites in the wilderness, we do not know when the trumpet will sound, so we are to be always ready. While we may not know the day or hour, we have been given enough information to know it can happen at any moment. We are to be ready, putting on the armor of God, because we have been appointed to receive salvation through Jesus Christ (1 Thessalonians 5:8-9).
Matthew 24 indicates that we will go through tribulation.
"WE" as in the CHURCH? Not a verse in the entire Olivet discourse about the church, sorry.
Sounds to me like this lady rather than understanding she's been taught falsely she's gotten into her feelings and is upset because people don't believe like she does. I've noticed this problem when talking with anyone who believes in the pretribulation rapture
There is no scripture, that contradicts the truth.
I believe in a GOD that can save me through trials and tribulations.
NOT an unbiblical event that plucks me out of trials and tribulations.
Matthew 24: 13-14
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world
for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
ENDURE TO THE END. The same shall BE SAVED.
Pre tribulation rapture contradicts the PRAYER of JESUS
John 17: 15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
@@jennbenn1976 there is absolutely no scripture that aligns with your twisted thinking
@@jennbenn1976 where in the Bible does it say I have to talk nice to enemies of God?
@@LastDaySaintJames So you are calling a Christian an enemy of God? Unbelievable.
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anyone that opposes the WORD of GOD is an enemy of GOD.
@@LastDaySaintJames Nevermind. The person deleted their comment. So maybe they were an enemy of God.
It's on both sides that they leave out scripture that matter.
Like in this case the Bride, the tribulation saints or the 144.000..
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,…
Matthew 13:20-21
As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away.
Ephesians 6:13-14
“Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness…”
It is interesting that truth is worn like a belt. Belts were used to gird one’s loins to prepare oneself for work or battle. You can only stand on or for something if you know the truth about it. If you don’t know or believe that you must withstand in the evil day, you are less likely to take a stand.
Hebrews 10:35-39
Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised. For, “Yet a little while,
and the coming one will come and will not delay; but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.”
But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.
At the end of Luke 17, Jesus answered the Pharisees about the coming of the kingdom and immediately spoke the parable of the persistent widow to teach the disciples to always pray and not lose heart concluding with “when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?” Luke 18:8. The servants in the Master’s house need meat in due season.
Matthew 24:45-46 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes…”
i just wonder if believing in the rapture or just in the 2nd coming makes a difference in how people view church, preaches, witnessing, how they read the Bible with interpretation and maybe salvation
Yes they do. The unsettling support many dispensationalists give to the controversial Christian Zionist movement, a support encouraged by elements of dispensational theology, does have implications on who they hire as preachers, evangelization among Jews, Middle East geopolitics, and the politicians they support/vote. See www.equip.org/articles/a-biblical-response-to-christian-zionism/
The caller has it backwards, people who are looking for the rapture are the ones who are not prepared. They are likely to not believe they will have to endure trials and tribulations. That makes them vulnerable. Here's a key question that changed my miind: If you(anyone) didn't bring a preTrib template into the reading of Scripture and just opened the Bible to learn what it says, what passage would teach you that there is a preTrib rapture of believers? (the answer is: there are none. PreTrib teaching is based on symbols and shadows and such. It has to be read into the text.. )
So what about all the prophetic dreams, people seem to be genuinely sincere and scared, i know I have had a genuine physic vision when I was young.
Do not interpret dreams as you do not know which entity it comes from, early church fathers taught this is you bothered to look up what the early church taught. Springwater is most purist form its source.
Ecclesiastes 5: 7
For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.
Jeremiah 23: 32
Behold, I am against them that prophesy FALSE dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them,
and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not,
nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.
2 Timothy 4: 3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;
but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Why believe any of that?
“And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.” (Matt. 8:26)
O ye of little faith, why would anyone who truly believes in Christ fear the tribulation or even death for that matter? To live is Christ to die is gain (Philip. 1:21). Don’t you have the Holy Spirit, the seal of God (Eph. 1:13) in you? O ye of little faith!
Let’s keep the teaching simple: Where does rapture theory come from? The misinterpretation of Matthew 24:36-41. Take a closer look.
Matthew 24:36-41 parallels Luke 17:26-37 (one taken, one left behind), however, in Luke verse 17:37, the apostles specifically ask Christ where the ones being taken are going as it is written:
“And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?” So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.” (Luke 17:37)
Now, based on Christ's answer, does this sound like anyone is being taken up into heaven? Nope! It sounds more like Jeremiah 7:33 where it is written:
"And the dead bodies of this people WILL BE FOOD FOR THE BIRDS of the air, and for the beasts of the earth, and none will frighten them away." (Jer. 7:33).
Christ’s answer also sounds like a verse in the Book of Revelation where it is written:
"Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to ALL THE BIRDS that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, that YOU MAY EAT THE FLESH of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and THE FLESH OF ALLL PEOPLE, FREE AND SLAVE, BOTH SMALL AND GREAT” (Rev. 19:17-18)
To simplify the teaching further if you still don’t get it, just read Matthew 13 explains it best (it’s the same story; the parable of the wheat and the tares). Who is taken first? Or read Psalm 37, and the parable of the net it is so self-explanatory.
Christ said upon his return it would be like the days of Noah for a reason. Who was taken and who was left behind? The evil ones were taken away in the flood and Noah with his family (God’s chosen) were kept safely in the ark on earth.
We see the same scenario manifest with the plagues of Egypt in Exodus. The Egyptians were affected, the Israelites (God’s chosen) were protected by God and were not afflicted.
Again, in the fall of Jericho: Rehab and her family (those who helped God secure the victory) were kept in safety while the rest of the city was destroyed.
Again, in Sodom and Gomorrah: Lot and his family (chosen) were taken to a place of safety while the wicked ones in the cities were destroyed.
How many times does the Lord have to repeat himself? The world continues to look and look, but still can't see.
"The meek will inherit the earth" (Matt. 5:5).
One of the greatest problems with the rapture up to heaven theory is that heaven is not, and has never been, the reward of the saved. Christ said, “The meek shall inherit the earth” (Matt. 5:5). The promise of the saved is eternal life (John 3:16). If you read the Bible for yourself like I did, you will find there isn’t one single Bible verse that says we “go up into heaven” (the throne of God). Not a single one!
“THEN the Son of Man WILL APPEAR, COMING in a cloud with great power and glory. WHEN these things BEGIN to happen, STAND UP AND RAISE YOUR HEADS, BECAUSE YOUR SALVATION IS NEAR.” (Luke 21:27-28)
Christ said clearly, “raise your heads because your salvation is near”. Everyone will still be on the earth! This is the 7th / last trumpet (1 Cor. 15:51-52). Christ tells us himself we will be on the earth at his return and the pre-trib rapture (or any rapture up into heaven) is a lie! Scripture can’t be broken (John 10:35). Christ said it and any true Christian should believe what Christ said, not the fabrications and inventions of men or their “eisegesis”. There is no room for debate with the word of God as that would be complete and utter foolishness.
Christ already predicted the world would come up with the foolishness of the rapture up into heaven. In his own statement of fact, Christ NEVER advocated the rapturing of His followers out of the world to be taken up to heaven for it is written:
“I DO NOT ASK YOU TO TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD, but I do ask you to KEEP THEM SAFE from the Evil One.” (John 17:15) How clear!
Doctrine must come from the Word of God, NOT the teachings of men!
Are you going to continue to believe in false teachings or the word of God?
Repent for the kingdom of God is near!
REv. 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. At no time in history has the church in Philidelphia been protected from any world wide hour of tempation! Hence a future event, Hence a pre-trib rapture! Easy!
Noah's ark. Sodom and Gomorrah. And so many scriptures. If you read the old testament every judgment from God almighty, the righteous person will never go through what the unrighteous go threw
Correct... God saw Noah through the flood, Joseph through captivity; Daniel through the lion's den, Israelites through the desert; Lot through the destruction of S&G; etc.
As in the days of Noah, the ones who were taken out were the people who did not live in fellowship with/obedience to God.
Some people think that God's wrath begins when the 6th seal is opened. They base this on the following two verses: "They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?” But the reason they understand that God's wrath has come is because of what is taking place in the previous seals. Notice what we see the fourth seal ... "When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth." (Revelation 6:8) ... and compare this with what Ezekiel writes here: "For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: How much worse will it be when I send against Jerusalem MY four dreadful judgments - sword and famine and wild beasts and plague - to kill its men and their animals!" (Ezekiel 14:21) and here ... "One who is far away will die of the plague, and one who is near will fall by the sword, and anyone who survives and is spared will die of famine. So will I pour out MY WRATH on them." (Ezekiel 6:12) HORSEMEN ARE ALWAYS ASSOCIATED WITH GODS WRATH . revelation. We are not appointed to wrath
@Neil-no5hv Appreciate the point. But often people mistake the great tribulation to be something still to come in the future, whereas what Jesus had in mind concerned His contemporaries. www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/
@@BibleAnswerMan the events in no way can have been fullfilled in revelation already unless you view them allegorically and then you can make them mean what you want
@@BibleAnswerMan Verse 14 “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.”
The destruction of Jerusalem is something that was about to happen, which Jesus was explaining, but this would only be a foretaste of even greater global events that will take place at the end of the age. Christ was explaining both. One of the reasons Matthew 24 could not have been fulfilled in 70 AD is because the Gospel had not yet been preached to all nations and more obviously the end did not come. The end that Jesus was talking about is the end of the age. It doesn’t make sense for Jesus to say that the gospel will be preached in all nations and then the end of Jerusalem would come. No, He was saying that the end of the world wouldn’t happen until the gospel of the kingdom had first been preached to all the nations of the world.
Revelation 14:6-7 shows us how the gospel will be preached to all nations just before the Second Coming of Christ:
tell me ,do you think John Mc. did not study the bible like you .
Healing is the children's bread.
Does the Bible say anything about God putting each individual in the right place and time on earth? (i.e. someone born in 1940 feels he should have been born in 1890 as they feel they would have a better life or purpose in that age)
Acts 17:26-27
These verses clearly outline what you are asking about.
@@mikemcclellan7026 thank you
You're welcome!
@ HerveyShmervy Yes Acts 17:26-27 tells us that God “made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, 27 that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him.”
Check out these articles…
www.equip.org/article/learning-from-an-apostle-christianity-in-the-marketplace-of-ideas-acts-1716-34/
www.equip.org/article/storytelling-as-subversive-apologetics-a-new-view-from-the-hill-in-acts-17/
@@BibleAnswerMan thank you once again, you are the perfect channel to go to for finding questions like these
What does Galatians 3 tell us? How about verse 18? How about Deuteronomy 29:4, as opposed to Romans 15:21? No Jew or Gentile?
Exegesis is needed to understand what the authors of each book are trying to share. 70 CE writers were writing to the 70 CE population (people). We need to ask, what truth can we glean from the text? Hank is absolutely correct, you don't plug 21 century into 70 CE writing. To do so is to plug a square plug into a round hole.
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I don't believe in the rapture, but there most certainly will be a physical mark. It says very clearly that everyone will have to take this thing in order to buy and sell. Most likely it's a reference to CBDC, and some kind of body modification you need in order to access the CBDC. The World Economic Forum has already been talking about this.
@Procopius464 There is more to the mark of the beast than something physical. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-the-mark-of-the-beast-a-microchip-/
I believe I have the Elohim hovering around my home and I need help, they want me to go with them and.....
I don't remember how....
Amos 5:18 coming soon if you don't fear the Lord you have a problem because scripture says the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. The first sign Jesus gave in Mathew 24 is take heed no man deceives you was anyone decieved
Ehhh, lost me at the mark not being an actual mark.
It says you have to have it to buy or sell. That doesn't make sense with this only being a vague intuition of someone just being a Christian or not. Like if that was the case, the "mark" would have been a thing since the beginning of time. It would have been a thing in Jesus time as well.
Its clear that the mark is specific to the beast, and the end times. Its a clear demarcation of some kind. If it was only salvation it wouldn't have required any additional warning seeing as salvation is already a requirement.
The math doesn't work here.
A person can’t read Matthew 24 and ever come up with a pre tribulation rapture. Jesus himself tells us when it would be in verse 29. “Immediately after the tribulation” What is it about “after” that so many Christians just don’t understand. It doesn’t mean before and it doesn’t mean in the middle it simply means after.
Jesus was talking to four of his disciples and was answering their question of what will be the sign and when will it happen.
Did they understand what Jesus was saying, go and check with marks account and lukes account and read what they said. They have no doubt as to what Jesus had said so here we have two witnesses testifying of what was said.
I believed in a pre trib rapture for over 70 years until I thought I would do my own research as to whether it was pre trib or post trib. It finally hit me as though it was hidden there all the time in plain sight. I still wonder to this day how on earth did I not see this earlier on.
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Yesterday I posted a lengthy comment on this rapture doctrine, and although we don't agree on the notion of there being a rapture at all, I can say in total agreement with you that it takes courage to admit to ourselves that we've had something so wrong for so long. It would save many many lives if even a fragment of the clergy leading the church system of man could do as you've done in spirit by being humble as such.
I would like to point out that Christ told his disciples told Peter On his declaration There he was the Christ the son of the Living God he would build his church . We know God's elect people are Israel But we are the church . Is the church Israel is Israel the church? Two distinct people that Jesus has redeemed . The tribulation has to come to bring Israel to its knees so it says blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord , a Remnant will be saved.
Wouldn't one be more likely to accidently take the mark, if they think they will be raptured before that is even a concern?
There is some confusion on the meaning of the mark of the beast from Scriptures. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-the-mark-of-the-beast-a-microchip-/
@@BibleAnswerMan I was questioning the caller's logic even taking for granted (for the sake of argument) the Typical American Evangelical vision of the end times is true.
She was concerned that if you were wrong about there being no pre-tribulation rapture, that may lead people to unwittingly take the mark of the Beast.
That seems backwards to me. If there is a pre-tribulation rapture, one couldn't take the mark of the best before the Rapture because, the mark of the best occurs during the Tribulation, again according to the American Evangelical pop-culture end times narrative, I presume she is basing her logic on.
@@markstuber4731Now that's thinking with the discernment from the Holy Spirit, the mark of the beast is forced to be taken going through the tribulation, if the elect are all taken in a pretrib rapture that means only unbelievers are left which is unbiblical ,if all the elect get raptured, wont all unbelievers take the mark of beast in order to buy and sell?
Jesus Christ says the elect will be persecuted, pretrib rapture believers are confusing persecution with wrath, God's wrath is poured out after the distress of those days ( Tribulation ) and those who have escaped all that has happened will as foretold by Jesus in Matthew 24:31 be gathered by his angels. ( There is no secret pretrib rapture. )
The 24 elders in revelation can only be the rewarded church in heaven.
@Neil-no5hv Thanks for the input.
The early Patristic church taught it..I document it.
The Dead in christ rise first not the dead
Yes, the dead in Christ being those who have died to their self nature, so that only Christ within each of them lives out His resurrected victory through them.
I don't know about you but I've already experienced "rapture" meaning, I'm too heavenly minded to be of any earthly good.
Tribulation happens to bring people to Him, I've got my oil do you? I am do not subscribe to Zionism although I realize it is part of the plan.
In this context I agree, we are in this world but not to be of this world.
What does Psalm 90:10 last line say? Why is this in the OT when you claim it's a new concept? It isn't a new concept! God planned it from the beginning of creation, remember He can see the future. It is us that can't understand the bible.
You mentioned 1 Thess 4 but did you read the entire chapter? What does v17 say?
The Apostle Paul alludes to the pre-trib rapture or the catching away of the church in Thessalonians and 1st Corinthians. The book of the Revelation states that the church will be kept from the trials, that will be coming upon the whole world. I too have great respect for you, but I do not agree here. The Antichrist cannot be revealed until the church is taken out of the way. Also...the restraining power of the Holy Spirit, to hold back much of the evil on this earth will be taken up with the church. He himself will stay on the earth, to protect those who come to Christ, during the Tribulation period. I don't see how anything but a pre-trib rapture would fit in this end time scenario. God bless, brother.
Does the “Last Trumpet” in 1 Corinthians 15:52 correspond to 7th Trumpet in Revelation 11:15-19?
1 Corinthians 15:50-52
50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound [emphasis added], and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
ENGLISH STANDARD VERSION
First, the sequence Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15:50-52 is summarized as:
1. The final trumpet is blown
2. The dead in Christ will rise to immortality
3. Those who remain will also be translated into immortality to join those who had previously died in Christ
The following are three reasons the trumpet referenced in 1 Corinthians 15:52 is not referring to the 7th Trumpet in Revelation 11:15-19. Before jumping in let us agree however that 1 Corinthians 15:50-52 is referring to the Resurrection when God’s people are converted from being mortal to immortal. Therefore, whenever the Resurrection of God’s people are used in Scripture, it corresponds with the same event described in 1 Corinthians 15:50-52.
1. It would be incoherent for Paul to reference the 7th Revelation Trumpet instruction in his first letter to the Corinthians. Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians was written about 53-55 AD - no less than several decades before John recorded Revelation. It would have been incoherent to the Corinthians for Paul to reference a teaching that had not yet been given decades into the future. This notion of a Trumpet blast right before God’s people are translated is consistent with other Rapture references (see 1 Thessalonians 4:16). This practice of taking a word reference and applying everywhere that word shows up is called the Word-Concept Fallacy. Use caution when a bible teacher takes a word from a passage and points to its use elsewhere in Scripture… especially when an entire interpretive framework (Post-tribulation Rapture) is built around that word usage.
2. The Revelation narrative presents the Resurrection occurring between the 6th (Revelation 6:12-17) and 7th Seals (Revelation 8:1-5). While Revelation is not always presented in complete sequence (e.g. Revelation 12-14 is a parenthetical occurring before Revelation 11), the sequence in Revelation 6-9 will take place in the order it is written. Revelation 7:1 and Revelation 7:9 even state “After this I saw” and “After this I looked” indicating Revelation 7 passage occurs right between Revelation 6:17 and before Revelation 8 when the 7th Seal is opened. The reason this is important is because the 7 Trumpet events do not begin until after the 7th Seal is broken. In summary, here are the order of events:
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4. a. 6th Seal : Celestial disturbances - indicating the end of the age is at hand (Revelation 6:12-14)
5. b. Son of Man and the Ancient of Days are revealed to the whole world (Revelation 6:15-17)
6. c. 144,000 Jews receive markings on their forehead to protect them during the Day of the Lord (Revelation 7:1-8)
7. d. A great multitude appear in Heaven that were raptured out of the Great Tribulation (Revelation 7:9-17)
8. e. Seventh Seal is opened (Revelation 8:1-5)
9. f. Seven Trumpets are blown in order (Revelation 8:6-9; 11:15-19)
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11. Given that sequence, it would be impossible to have the Revelation 7th Trumpet indicate the Resurrection/Rapture was about to occur as taught in 1 Corinthians 15:50-52. The event that kicks everything off in 1 Corinthians 15:52 is the the trumpet sound and is part of a different trumpet sequence from the 7 Trumpets in Revelation. The sounding of trumpets in Jewish custom was quite common, especially to call an assembly gather (Numbers 10:1-10) and during Rosh Hashanah.
12. The 7th Trumpet is blown after the Two Witnesses are caught up. People that argue the trumpet blast in
13. 1 Corinthians 15:52 corresponds to the 7th Trumpet will also probably teach the Two Witnesses symbolize God’s people who are “caught up” in Revelation 11:15. The issue here is with the sequence of events, similar to #2, is to say these Two Witnesses symbolize God’s people who will be raptured. In Revelation 11, the Two Witnesses are “caught up” to Heaven in v12, which Scripture calls the 2nd woe. After that is the third woe, which is the 7th Trumpet. There seems to be a passing of time between the 2nd and 3rd woes, even if it is a short period. However, the instruction in 1 Corinthians 15:50-52 is nearly instantaneous… the trumpet is blown and then immediately after in the twinkling of an eye, we are are translated into immortality.
I love ya Hank and appreciate your style. I have to say though you are in error in this one and this woman i .m.o is 100% accurate. I know it is popular to say that Darby is the father of the pre trib but that is untrue. Whether or not Darby made it popular its all over the word of God and the apostles support it.I am not going to throw scripture at you cuz I know you heard it all and a man with your knowledge has his mind made up. I think a man like yourself Hank with your insights should at least acknowledge that there " appears" to be evidence for both because millions of christians believe in pre and to say that someone is wrong when they are using scripture to back up their belief is error .I dont believe pre trib I KNOW pre trib is true and post is the new theory not pre .Your resurrected body is hardly a blessed hope as it is not in this life time, the blessed hope is knowing you are saved no matter what you do and that God has not appointed you to wrath, It always boils down to those who misread the Lord's desencion as the return and it is not, Jesus ascending is the rapture and the 2nd coming are 7 yrs apart. If you are post you have the " hope of going through the worst time of your life and it is arrogant for people to think that we need to go through this time because we will have " tribulation", they are not the same thing, having tribulation is NOT going through the tribulation, all christians if they are doing it right will have tribulation. Christians will all be raptured whether you believe in it or not if you are really born again
It really seems that scripture is pointing to a post-tribulation rapture. And I would agree that those who believe in pre-trib rapture likely will take the mark because they don't believe they will have an opportunity. I completely agree that the mark of the beast is connected to what we do, or our obedience. If we do not know God's commandsand do them, we will be vulnerable to taking the mark
Matthew 24:29-30 ESV - “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Believers can't & won't take the mark...we're already sealed by way of the Holy Spirit. To you bringing up *Matt 24* I would say that that is the weakest argument to bring up, for the passage is not about the church. Don't dig deep into a passage to extract a few words when you've skated over the *CONTEXT* of the discourse.
@Kman so enlighten me on the context. And what supports your view that believers simply can't take the mark?
@@mattclevenger8598 I trust you're not just champing at the bit with your response w/o taking the time to prayerfully consider what I bring up, and SHOULD you bring a rebuttal, please rebut what is STATED & not just divert to some other talking point that you subscribe to, but sure...
The Olivet discourse really begins in the preceding chapter where Christ says in *Matt **23:37**,* "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem...". Notice He doesn't say, "O church, church", for the church was not even established. The *CONTEXT* is where Christ is addressing the Jewish leadership/nation. He is about to detail the events leading up to the coming KINGDOM, not the coming CHURCH. The verse goes on to say this...
"...thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"
We'll see a "GATHERING" later in *Matt 24* (like you'll want to _RUSH_ to), but we can see that "GATHERING" found in verse 31 is just what Christ has L O N G E D to do with the Jews, but as *Matt **23:37* states, they've refused Him over & over again. The "GATHERING" will be prophesy getting fulfilled as we read of here:
*Isaiah 11:11,12* “And it shall come to pass *IN THAT DAY,* that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to *RECOVER* the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.” *Vs 12* “And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and *GATHER TOGETHER* the dispersed of Judah from the *FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH.”*
Notice where they'll be "GATHERED" from & _THEN_ let's look at what we read here in *Matt **24:31* =====> "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the *FOUR WINDS,* from one end of heaven to the other."
Again, the entire dialogue centers around the JEWS. & His coming KINGDOM here on earth. We don't just cram the church into the passage in order to find support for a narrative. As Christ returns @ the end of the tribulation for the millennial reign, it is THEN that the Jews will finally cry out as a people as *Matt **23:39* prophesies they will; *=====>* "For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."
Some would argue, "But Christ spoke privately to the disciples in *Matt 24:1* and they were the pillars of the church, so it's about the CHURCH". That's nothing more than injecting the church into the dialogue that simply is not there. It's akin to trying to cram the square peg into the round hole. To further validate just how Christ viewed the disciples we can look at *Matt **19:28* and find this...
"And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." Again, the _MESSAGING_ in *Matt 24* is about what will come leading up to the coming KINGDOM.
Hey...I don't want to get TOO long with my reply so I'll cut if off here. Much more can be brought out & unpacked from the chapter(s), but nearly every verse throughout *Matt 24* _S C R E A M S_ Jews, not church.
All the best to you in your search for truth, *MARANATHA!*
@Kman Thanks for your explanation. I do see the disagreement now. I'm not disensational in my interpretations. I agree with Hank that there is not two people groups in Christ, the Jews and the Church. I believe Christ has one body, one people. This is not a rebuttal, but just stating why we are not likely to agree. Thanks again for taking time to explain your position
@@mattclevenger8598 There *IS* only one body, & it consists of both Jew, & Gentile. I take the bible at face value & try to apply a consistent, literal hermeneutic when reading it. In so doing, that validates the interpretation brought to your attention.
Pretrib theology was spoken of by Paul and early Church. Please carry out better research.
Nope
I didn't believe the rapture, I get told I am wrong all the the time. I reply if one is rapture away before the Tribulation how can we be delivered up to the synagogue ??? Even the elect or served up but their time is cut short.. The mark isn't going to be a chip or tattoo, just my thoughts. Have a bless day.
SERIOUS QUESTION: If God doesnt have two people, what is the book of hebrews even there for? i know we are all made alike through christ, so i try to incorporate hebrews into my life, but then there are people who say hebrews is only for the jews.....ARE WE NOT ALL JEWS NOW???
The Book of Hebrews is written to Christians talks about the person and work of Christ. Christians are now and always have been one people--the church--that is those who have faith in Christ either looking forward in the OT or faith in Christ in the New Testament until now. The church does include people as Rev. says from every tribe, tongue, and nation and of course that includes believers who are Jewish as well.
@@BibleAnswerMan Exactly. the entire NT is to christians right? So when i bring up the verse "for if we sin willfully after we recieve the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no sacrafice for sin" that applies to us, but people dont like that. but its NT...
@@sunnyjr1501 The entire Bible is to Christians. Old and New Testament. :-)
@@BibleAnswerMan so you believe we should keep the laws of the old testament?
@@sunnyjr1501 The moral law since Jesus affirmed it. Not dietary etc. laws.
Wow her arguments.
The clear teachings about the Rapture rescue doctrine are only in the Bible because Paul wrote letters to correct false teachers who said it wouldn't happen, and that struggle against anti-Rapture teachings only intensified after the apostle’s deaths. The Catholic church violently suppressed many biblical doctrines, including the Rapture, for the vast majority of church history, which explains why there is little evidence of it in the early church and no evidence from Augustine until religious liberty flourished again during the Protestant Reformation, which happened to be in 1600s England.
“Dispensationalism Before Darby” by William C Watson uses 350+ sources before Darby to prove that he did not come up with anything new but popularized what free Englishmen had been conversing about since the 1600s. And claims that Darby invented the Rapture were made up by Robert Norton in 1861 and embellished and marketed by Dave MacPherson, starting in the 1970s.
The truth is that God does have a unique plan for the nation of Israel because he made specific promises to the Patriarchs that he must keep. Rom 11:25-26 says that Israel is hardened until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, and in this way _all Israel_ shall be saved. That prophesy is fulfilled in Rev 7 where angels continue restraining the great tribulation a little longer during a revival among _all 12 tribes of Israel_ while church saints celebrate their entry into heaven.
Maranatha!
If you buy into this Rapture heresy, then Jesus comes back twice? Bible says he will return once. The majority of Christians who buy the Rapture ideology are mainly found in rich Western Countries like the U.S, Britain and Australia, explains it all really.
Instead of directly addressing what others believe and say, most pos-tribers mock and attack and change the subject, as you have.
your words --- > while church saints celebrate their entry into heaven.
instead of posting OPINIONS, show us in scripture.
Until you can show us plainly in scripture a rapture before great tribulation,
you are a liar and cannot be trusted. Even if you THINK you can,
you deceive yourself.
The truth in the bible is.. we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the LORD with all his saints
shall be caught up AFTER the dead in Christ have risen AT THE LAST DAY.
resurrection of the dead at the last day
John 6: 44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
and I will raise him up {{{at the last day}}}.
JOHN 11: 24
24 Martha saith unto him,
I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection {{{at the last day}}}.
The dead in Christ shall rise first before the alive are caught up.
1Thessalonians 4: 15-17
and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up
Hank, where is the church mentioned in revelation past chapter 4? 🤔
After the full number of Gentiles has come in what is the need for the church to be on earth? Our job is to be evangelist, yet in revelation we see only the 144,000 Jews and the angel flying in mid heaven as witnesses to the gospel of Jesus Christ to those left on earth, never once is the church mentioned.
I agree. But note that the Angel preaching the gospel at that time does not mention Jesus, or the cross. That gospel is not the same as Paul’s gospel. It is a different gospel, for a different people.
@@badelon2039 Revelation 14:6-7
King James Version
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having (the) everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. ( all people are lost to sin No man is different in this than another friend and Jesus is God and the only way to the father, his blood atones for all who receive a love of the truth.)
Galatians 3:28 ►
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Acts 4:12 ►
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”
Jesus began his earthly ministry with the words repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. To fear the lord is faith in him as God and the message of the kingdom rings out again in his words to the people in the last day, the great day of the lord.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape (all these things that shall come to pass), and to stand before the Son of man. There are more than 1 Rapture. Enoch, Elijah, Daniel and his two friends, Jesus, Church Age Saint, and also a 2nd Coming Rapture for those within the Tribulation Period. There are more than 1 Rapture. Keep that in mind!
Where in the bible does it talk about " the antichrist "
The rapture is numbing our Christian Faith. We are no longer willing to fight and die for our faith as did our biblical forebears and our Roman Byzantine Christian forebears and the knights and armies of Charles the Great. Now we are on the verge of losing our nation as many in the west are losing their’s. Evil has now overtly marked all of us for overt attack. The scripture now points out that Jesus, the Prince of Peace, bears in his hand the sword! We Christians must organize and wield our sword. The time has come!
Matthew 24:1-3 (NKJV) “Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” 3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
1) The chapter starts out with Jesus’ disciples asking him three questions that Jesus then proceeds to answer.
“When will these things happen?” (The destruction of the temple.)
“What will be the sign of Your coming?” (The Second Coming.)
“What will be the sign of the end of the age?” (The end of the world.)
These are the questions that were put to Jesus so it would be strange to think that he was only answering the first one and ignoring the last two. Some say that all three have their fulfilment in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. But this cannot be since in Matthew 24 Christ also describes His Second Coming and the end of the age. To say this has already happened hardly complies with reality let alone the way Scripture describes the Second Coming of Christ at the end of the age. I believe that what Jesus was explaining was the imminent destruction of Jerusalem as well as what the end of the age will be like.
The language Jesus uses in Matthew 24 is interwoven to describe not only local events but global events that will affect all of mankind. Yes Israel was about to face a horrific tribulation like it had never faced before, but globally the world would face even greater tribulations in the future and especially the final Great Tribulation at the end of the age.
2) Matthew 24:9 (NKJV) “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.”
Certainly Jesus wasn’t limiting this only to His disciples here but to believers everywhere being hated by all nations. Jesus’ twelve disciples were not hated by all nations. They were only hated by a few. The destruction of Jerusalem wasn’t perpetrated by all nations but only one nation, Rome. So why would Jesus even be talking about all nations here as a sign that Jerusalem was about to be destroyed by Rome? It doesn’t make sense if the context is only limited to the destruction of Jerusalem. By the time of 70 AD not all the nations of the world had even heard of Jesus, let alone hated His disciples because of Him. This is something that will become increasingly more real as we approach the end of the age. The world’s hatred for Christians is growing and only going to get worse. So “all nations hating Christ’s followers” is not a sign of Jerusalem’s imminent destruction but a sign of the end of the age which Jesus was also explaining here. This shows that the destruction of Jerusalem is not the entire fulfilment of Matthew 24.
3) Verse 14 “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.”
The destruction of Jerusalem is something that was about to happen, which Jesus was explaining, but this would only be a foretaste of even greater global events that will take place at the end of the age. Christ was explaining both. One of the reasons Matthew 24 could not have been fulfilled in 70 AD is because the Gospel had not yet been preached to all nations and more obviously the end did not come. The end that Jesus was talking about is the end of the age. It doesn’t make sense for Jesus to say that the gospel will be preached in all nations and then the end of Jerusalem would come. No, He was saying that the end of the world wouldn’t happen until the gospel of the kingdom had first been preached to all the nations of the world.
Revelation 14:6-7 shows us how the gospel will be preached to all nations just before the Second Coming of Christ:
“Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth-to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people-7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”
Then from verse 14 it starts to explain the Second Coming of Christ and the harvest of the world: “Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man…”
All this shows that Jesus wasn’t just talking about the destruction of Jerusalem but literally the events taking place just before the end of the world.
4) Verse 21 “For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
Now it’s true that there was great tribulation during the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, and Jesus was describing imminent destruction. But this is not the same tribulation spoken of later in verse 29 which is the great tribulation of Revelation 7:9-17 which takes place at the end of the age just before Christ returns. This tribulation doesn’t just affect Jews and Israel, but the entire planet. It involves Christ returning in the clouds, an angel blowing a loud trumpet (the 7th and final trumpet of Revelation 11:15 & Revelation 14), great signs and wonders in the heavens and earth and the gathering of His elect. (Matt 24:27-34, 1 Thess 4:13-17, 1 Thess 5:1-11, 2 Thess 2:1-12, 1 Cor 15:51-52, Rev 1:7, Rev 6:12-17, Rev 11:15-19, Rev 14, Rev 15 & 16, Rev 19, Rev 20).
This great tribulation that will happen at the end of the age is even greater than the destruction of Jerusalem, and anything else in history combined. It’s a tribulation that will only be brought to an end at the Second Coming of Christ with the ending of the age (see verse 29-31).
Revelation 7 clearly shows that the Great Tribulation is not limited to Israel but to the whole world on a global scale.
Revelation 7:9 and 13,14 (ESV) “After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands… 13 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” 14 I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”
5) Verse 27 “For as lighting comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.”
The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD along with the slaughter of 1.1million Jews was not “the coming of the Son of Man”. The coming of the Son of Man is the Second Coming of Christ. This is a global event that will affect all mankind, not just Jerusalem and will usher in the end of the world not the end of Jerusalem. Therefore Jesus was referring to something even more global and to do with end times and not only the imminent destruction of Jerusalem. He’s not just saying to Israel to be ready and watchful, He was speaking to all mankind to be ready for the return of Christ.
6) Verse 29 - 30 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”
This is clearly referring to Christ’s Second Coming. There’s no third or forth coming of Christ. Only one more, His Second Coming. He didn’t come in AD70 to destroy Jerusalem and then plans to come again at the end of the age. No, Rome destroyed and persecuted Jerusalem not Jesus. Christ has yet to return and when He does it will be a global event that will affect all the tribes of the world, not just Israel.
If Matthew 24 was all fulfilled at in 70 AD then it means that Christ has returned. This clearly did not happen. Christ’s Second Coming will affect the whole world and not just Jerusalem. Verse 30 says, “Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds…” Certainly this has not happened yet. When have all the tribes of earth mourned because they all saw Jesus returning in the clouds? This has not yet been fulfilled so that makes it impossible to say that all of Matthew 24 has been fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem.Notice in verse 29 it says that there will be great signs in the heavens and Christ will return Immediately after the tribulation of those days. Well firstly these great heavenly signs have not happened yet (these are clearly the trumpet and bowl judgments of Revelation 8, 9, 11 & 16 which will happen on a global scale and are yet to be). Secondly Christ did not return immediately after the tribulation of Jerusalem in 70 AD. A reasonable person can only assume that Christ was not speaking only of the tribulation of 70 AD but also of an even greater tribulation that is worldwide and at the end of the age just before He returns.
Some try to say that Christ did come in 70 AD and is now reigning but that’s a distortion of the Second Coming. After Christ’s resurrection He ascended into Heaven. The only other time the Bible says that He will return is at His Second Coming. This Second Coming will see the end of the age and the Day of Judgement. Jesus speaks about His Coming a few verses later in Matthew 25. And note that He is not speaking about some temporary visitation of wrath on Jerusalem, He is speaking about His full return and the end of the world. Note that this return is the same return he is speaking about throughout Matthew 24.
Matthew 25:31-34 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.” (See the rest of the chapter for the full description. Also see 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, 1 Corinthians 15: 50-55, Revelation 20 & 21 on the Second Coming.)
7) Verse 31 “And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
This hasn’t happened yet so how can Matthew 24 already be fulfilled? This isn’t some local event in Jerusalem this is global and it’s end of the age stuff. This is the great harvest of believers (the elect) from all over the world at Christ’s return. (See end brackets on previous point.) How can Matthew 24 have all been fulfilled in 70 AD when this hasn’t happened yet?
8) Verse 34 “Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.”
Some people try to use verse 34 to say that Jesus was only speaking to that particular generation of Jews living at the time. They say Jesus said this around 30 AD and a generation is 40 years and so many from that generation would have been around during the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The problem though is that that generation has long passed away and not all of the things that Jesus said have happened. Certainly not the great heavenly signs and the Second Coming or the end of the age or the gathering of His elect which was all supposed to happen “immediately after the destruction of Jerusalem”. The only deduction is that Jesus wasn’t only referring to that immediate generation of Jews but also the Jewish people as a race and that they would not pass away before His Second Coming and the end of the age. That current generation will witness the destruction of Jerusalem but the race of Jewish people will not be destroyed before the end of the world. Therefore what Jesus was saying was not just a prediction it was also a promise and a guarantee that Jewish people will not be wiped out. (The word generation in the Greek is genea and can mean race, family, generation.) Verse 34 is a covenant promise to the seed of Abraham that Israel would not cease as a people before Christ returns. (Compare Matt 24:34 with Jeremiah 31:35-37. God promises that if the stars and the sun and moon passed away then Israel could pass away too.)
It would be a mistake to take "coming on clouds" as the Second Coming, but it is a coming in judgment. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-coming-on-clouds-a-reference-to-christs-second-coming/
@@BibleAnswerMan You havent really rebutted the other points
@Neil-no5hv You express the popular theological story, but understood in context, none of the verse give us a pretribulation rapture, i.e., the idea that God is going to remove the Church from the Earth before the start of a future seven-year Great Tribulation that ends with Jesus' Second Coming and the start of the Millennium. See www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/ www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-coming-on-clouds-a-reference-to-christs-second-coming/ www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-the-pre-tribulational-rapture-theory-biblical/ www.equip.org/bible_answers/what-about-the-millennium/
@@BibleAnswerManWho therefore are the 24 elders in rev . how do you explain i will keep you from the hour of trial to come upon the WHOLE world . there are more pretrib rapture verses if you look at the plain statements of scripture without having a preconception of what you think the bible teaches
in this is your error friend. Meeting him in the air and him touching down are two separate events. His return to earth requires him to touch down on the earth, to come out of the firmament the first heaven. God created the heavens and the earth, two distinct places in scripture. Jesus gathering us to himself in the clouds of the first heaven is not his second coming to earth, it is not called a return but a rapture a gathering of the Saints to himself so that we may also be where he is. And from there we return with him, Jude 1:14-15
John 14:3
“And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
We must go to heaven than come to earth with him in his return to rule with him for 1000 years. Scripture never says we go to heaven again. When Jesus returns the millennial reign begins. After the great tribulation Satan is loosed for a time than Armageddon, great white throne judgment and on into eternity with the new heaven and a new earth where the new Jerusalem comes down out of heaven to the new earth. Where do you see us in your theology ever going to be where Jesus is now seated at the right hand of the father, John 14:3.
How do you see us returning with Christ from the 3rd heaven (where he is) being possible if we are not first gathered to him in the clouds and taken where he has prepared a place for us🤔
So to clarify, if there is not a pre-Second Coming Rapture how do we go to be with him in the place he has prepared for us as seen in John 14:3 because his return to earth is until the end of this heaven and earth and it cannot be said that the new Jerusalem is where Jesus is now, where he has prepared a place for us because this event has not yet taken place. So in John 14:3 Jesus must be talking about where he is now in heaven seated at the right hand of the father, that’s where he’s coming from that’s where he takes us to and that’s where we return with him from at his second coming to rule and reign for 1000 years.
Because it contradicts the Narrow gate principle.
It is an easy way out doctrine
It is not sharing in the suffering of Christ.
It does not deserve the crown of life and crown of glory.
It does not have the spirit of great love, which is to lay down your life for a for a friend.
The church is not still on earth during the great tribulation, (Night is coming where no one can work, John 9:4) Do you know what an age is? Jesus said that all sins against the son of man will be forgiven, but the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this age (The Messianic age, Present age) or in the age to come. The age ends at Jesus resurrection of the (Saints/ church) because that is when the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, that marks the end of that age. I believe this is before the great tribulation and I believe scripture supports this as I have shown. The age to come starts at the signing of the peace treaty with Israel by the antichrist and goes throughout the end of the thousand year reign. I believe this because sin is said to still be forgiven man in the age to come, the time after the fullness of the Gentiles has come in and the resurrection of the church, eg the great tribulation were people come to salvation and during the 1000 year reign also. Side note; scripture says we are not vessels of wrath, and that Christ will keep us from the trial that is to on the whole earth to test them. The test is whether people will take the Mark of the beast to fulfill their needs to live and survive I believe. If the rapture were to happen after the great tribulation that means the body of Christ would still have to watch the massacre of 2/3 of the population of the planet and be tempted to take the mark to survive. I believe that would be the most horrific thing anyone could possibly Witness or go through, and I don't think the father would put us through that. If we are not appointed as vessels of wrath and we are kept from the hour of temptation as Christ says I believe it means we are already with him in glory. I realize it takes paralleling scripture and interpretation of Scripture to come to the belief that we will be raptured before the great tribulation begins, but as I have shown there are vast differences between the second coming and the resurrection that cannot be ignored. Another thing to consider about the end of the age being the fulfillment of the fullness of the Gentiles coming in is that the Jewish nation is under a partial blindness as Paul
states until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, Romans 11:25. The Jews will start to come to faith during the great tribulation because that is the point of the great tribulation a.k.a. the time of Jacobs troubles. Before the veil can be lifted from the Jews the fullness of the Gentiles must come in. And since the Jews will start to come to faith during the great tribulation that means the fullness of the Gentiles must come in before the great tribulation begins. And after the fullness of the Gentiles has come in there is no longer a need for the church to be here on on earth scripturally. Matthew 28: 20 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age. (The messianic age, dispensation of grace) Romans 11: 25 25 i do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: Will The rapture cause Israel to see the truth of the Messiah and become envious unto salvation when the hardness is lifted after the rapture of the church.. (The fullness of the Gentiles) Romans 10: 19, “ Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says, 'I will make you envious by those who are not a nation; I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding.
''When Israel sees the rapture of the church of the nation of America perhaps, when has God yet made Israel envious of a nation in a way that leads to their salvation? Ephesians 3: 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward (dispensation of Grace)
2 Thessalonians 2: 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. (The beginning of the great tribulation where lawlessness shall abound and no one can work.) We now work by the power of the Holy Spirit unto the salvation of man, when he The Holy Spirit) is removed our work is complete and the The messianic age ends, along with the dispensation of Grace and the need for the church to be on the earth witnessing and working. Matthew 25: 23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
I believe that the rapture of the church will cause The jealousy of Romans 10: 19 in the nation of Israel. This along with the lifting of the blindness that begins with the fullness of the Gentiles having come in and having been Ruptured the Jews see the truth and become envious of the church that is now with the God they dearly love but have been blind to see but but have been blind because of their rejection of the Messiah. 1 John 2: 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. They will acknowledge the Son as the true Messiah when they see the New Testament proven true by the rapture of the church. This is proven true by, Zechariah 12:9-10 9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. What other eschatological event is Abel to prove to the Jews that the one they crucified was their Messiah other than the proving of the gospel of Jesus Christ by the rapture of the church who believed that Jesus was the Messiah. Romans 1: 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile Matthew 19: 30, 30 But many who are (first) will be (last), and many who are (last) will be (first). Revelation 20: 6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the (first) resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." The Gentiles received the Love of the truth and they are saved, 2 Thessalonians 2: 10. Jesus is the way the truth and the life, John 14: 6. The Gentiles herd the gospel (last), but because of their faith they will take part in the (first) resurrection, See Rev 20: 6. The Jews herd the gospel (first) but rejected it so they will take part in the second resurrection. (The resurrection of the two witnesses in between the resurrection of the gentiles and the resurrection of the Jews is a separate resurrection event.) Revelation 3: 7-9 To the Church in Philadelphia 7 "To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars-I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you” What is the key and the open door? Matthew 16:18-19 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys *(The gospel) of the kingdom of heaven, *(The open door) and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." * emphasis mine. The body of Christ are all members of the same true church. The promise to the church of Philadelphia is a promise to all the true churches throughout time. There was no event as spoken of in Revelation 3:10 that tested that church, their has never been any global event from God to test the faithfulness of people of earth in the context of rev 3:10. His promise to that church is a promise to his bride, all believers throughout history. The first resurrection is the promise fulfilled to his bride, and this takes place before the trial of great tribulation begins.
No Rapture. Second Coming was 5 June 1941 at Glastonbury. Jesus/Sananda stated in a communique that no one is about to disappear upward magically at any moment. Ascension and immortality must be EARNED by attaining the 5D frequency in spiritual development after many lifetimes. Books from The Winds of Truth website. Blessings
@drdarrylschroeder5691 Respectfully disagree.
@@BibleAnswerMan Greetings. Thank you. All the details are in the six volumes presented by the Lord Jesias (His real name) and the Angelic Hierarchy at that time from The Winds of Truth website. (Not personally affiliated.) Blessings - Rev Dr D Schroeder PhD/Ministry
Darby didn't invent the pretrib rapture, but Darby DID invent the idea of Daniel's 70th week being yet future, and a large "gap" of 2000 years between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel. This is not in the Bible anywhere, in fact, Daniel 9 clearly states that Messiah would be cut off AFTER the 69th week....which places it in the 70th week, which means the 70th week has at least started. And, if the 70th week has not been completed, then the 70 weeks are not fulfilled by Jesus yet. Which means He has not completed the plan of salvation for Israel. Which means He is not Messiah. Darbyism is heresy.
And what if the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is true? But because you didn't believe in it, the Lord had to leave you, a born-again believer behind?
@bmlove81 Why imagine the pretribulation rapture is true at all? Where does it say in the Bible that God will remove the Church from Earth before the start of the seven year tribulation that ends with Jesus' return and the start of the Millennium?
@@BibleAnswerMan Genesis 18:25 KJV That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? This was in the Old Testament, how much more would God not judge the righteous with the wicked? Especially now that Jesus has paid the price for sins on the cross?
The Great Tribulation or God’s wrath isn’t for the Church. It’s for the unbelieving world. We are not subject to wrath but for obtaining salvation through Christ our Lord.
So completely naive.
@@MJ-kd7dp How so?
@@russcollins8998I've repeatedly attempted to reply but it keeps removing my post. If this gets through, 2 or 3 days ago I posted an extensive comment that should provide enough perspective for you to re-yield your current opinion on this doctrine to Christ Jesus within you, asking Him to directly confirm and dispel what is on point, and what might off point in my comment.
@@MJ-kd7dp Oh really? It appears you are the only one that sees this invisible reply.
@@MJ-kd7dp Can you please provide scripture that explains the Church going through the Great Tribulation or the Wrath of God?
Has Hank's cancer returned, or is this an old broadcast??
I believe this is an old broadcast, as I don't see the rapture question being addressed in recent podcasts.
We are adding Qs of relevance to our channel on end-times. Hank's cancer is in remission.
According to your theology Jesus would have to gather us to himself in the clouds at his second coming(your rapture) and then go back with us to heaven to the place where he has prepared for us (and if he took the time to prepare a place for us It would seem that the intent was for us to spend a significant amount of time there with him) and then come back to Earth for him to touchdown where he then begins the millennial reign. but in this there is error because Scripture says that he will “return in fiery judgment”, (not mentioned in the gathering us to himself in the clouds) that he will set up his millennial kingdom here on this earth. it never says anywhere that he returns to heaven with us after his second coming, so where is John 14:3 in your theology ever fulfilled?
So according to your thoughts on the liturgy you think the apostles all of their disciples and the entire early church taught an "abomination". Well that's a level headed take. I'd go with an open heart and experience a liturgy before spitting such blasphemous Venom.
Leviticus dude
@@nathandoiron1119 let’s look at how Jesus and the apostles took communion and the instructions of Christ. And than please explain how you get the mass and transubstantiation from these few and simple words.
Matthew 26:26-29
English Standard Version
Institution of the Lord's Supper
26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” 27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, 28 for this is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.”
@@nathandoiron1119 Can you be more specific
@@nathandoiron1119 Did the Early Church Teach Transubstantiation?
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Nathan Busenitz | April 21, 2016
Today's post is intended to answer an important question from a historical standpoint. However, it ought to be stated at the outset that Scripture must be our final authority in the determination of sound doctrine and right practice.
The word “eucharist” means “thanksgiving” and was an early Christian way of referring to the celebration of the Lord’s Table. Believers in the early centuries of church history regularly celebrated the Lord’s Table as a way to commemorate the death of Christ. The Lord Himself commanded this observance on the night before His death. As the apostle Paul recorded in 1 Corinthians 11:23-26:
For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.
In discussing the Lord’s Table from the perspective of church history, at least two important questions arise. First, did the early church believe that the elements (the bread and the cup) were actually and literally transformed into the physical body and blood of Christ? In other words, did they articulate the doctrine of transubstantiation as modern Roman Catholics do? Second, did early Christians view the eucharist as a propitiatory sacrifice? Or put another way, did they view it in the terms articulated by the sixteenth-century Council of Trent?
In today’s post, we will address the first of those two questions.
Did the Early Church Fathers Hold to Transubstantiation?
Transubstantiation is the Roman Catholic teaching that in the eucharist, the bread and the cup are transformed into the literal body and blood of Christ. Here are several quotes from the church fathers, often cited by Roman Catholics, in defense of their claim that the early church embraced transubstantiation.
Ignatius of Antioch (d. c. 110): “Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1).
Irenaeus (d. 202): "He took from among creation that which is bread, and gave thanks, saying, ‘This is my body.’ The cup likewise, which is from among the creation to which we belong, he confessed to be his blood” (Against Heresies, 4:17:5).
Irenaeus again: “He has declared the cup, a part of creation, to be his own blood, from which he causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of creation, he has established as his own body, from which he gives increase unto our bodies. When, therefore, the mixed cup [wine and water] and the baked bread receives the Word of God and becomes the Eucharist, the body of Christ, and from these the substance of our flesh is increased and supported, how can they say that the flesh is not capable of receiving the gift of God, which is eternal life-flesh which is nourished by the body and blood of the Lord, and is in fact a member of him?” (Against Heresies, 5:2).
4:15 there is a distinction when you are apart from Christ. Orthodox Judaism does not believe in the Messiah so they are not part of the Olive tree (broken off) until they confess Messiah and say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord and then Christ returns and those Jews are grafted in again.
Romans 1:16 ►
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
Matthew 19:30 ►
But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.
Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Scripture calls the new Jerusalem the bride of christ.
I'm concerned when the pre-trib rapture doesn't happen, they'll believe scripture is false
Dustin..I totally agree with you and that could be part of the Great Apastasy spoken of before the man of sin is revealed.. Keep your eyes on Jesus and yet Jesus says..in this world you will have tribulation but do not fear for he has overcome the world!!! God ,Bless!!!
Jesus said he will raise us up on the Last Day, not 3.5 or 7 years before. Don't be fooled. It's very clear. We must endure until the end. It's just too easy to plaster an idea over the passages to make them say something they are not.
Truth be told, no Born again will want to enter the trib and will strive to know for sure where the rapture is. Those who insist otherwise do not have the Holy Spirit in them. The bible defines them as "scoffers" and has a severe punishment for them - that they be blotted out from the Book of Life. In Revelation we read that those whose names aren't in the Book of Life are cast into the Lake of Fire for eternity. Don't wait for the great trib to start to be convinced the rapture was real. If you missed the boat you're in big trouble! For at the 5th Seal judgement, those who stand with Christ (converts, repentant) are killed for their faith. They become the 'tribulation saints'. The raptured are the 'Church saints' and different. If you truly have the Holy Spirit in you, you will want to know rather than mock. Please get your faith right today.
I'll go with Chuck Smith on this one.
Please don't as he believed in a pre-Trib rapture. He taught Jesus would return in 1981. Of course he was proven wrong and hence was a false prophet. If you are to follow anyone please follow Christ and don't be too concerned about the timing of the rapture other than to be prepared and keep a watch as Jesus Himself warned in Matthew 24; "42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect."
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and Jesus continues to say Watch until the last vial is poured out.
Revelation 16: 15-17
15 Behold, I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
The very phrase "Holy Spirit will be removed" is disrespectful towards God's Spirit. How can God remove His Spirit? It's a very senseless phrase.
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Pretrib theology (John Nelson darby) is as old as the Morman church (John smith). Both started around 1830s american revivals, and do not go back to early church. Matt 24 speaks of the destruction of the temple in A.D. 70. Read verses 1-3 'the stones'
Chapter 25 deals with true Christians vs those that profess christ and care more about the world.
Do a little more research on that, I think you'll find it goes way back
Read Revelation chapters 5,6 & 7 in the KJV. Then you will know The Church is bodily in heaven before the seals are broken.
The letters are to the 7 churches about what must SOON take place. Revelation can be seen as an expansion of Messiah Jesus Olivet Discourse, to a 1st century church, not to a 21st century church, although for us to apply to our lives as believers. They were about to ( the time is near, at hand) go thru great tribulation during a Caesar cult w/ horrible persecution on the early christian church. Its written using Old Testament symbolism & Apocalyptic language/ Imagery. Ezekiel, Daniel & other OT books use this language & you can absolutely see the parallel between Ezk & Rev which you will clearly see when read. Thess. letter from Paul speaks of loved ones dying & if they will be raised up & w/ the Lord & precede them & on the last day on His return those still alive will go out to meet Him as they did when the King returned home. Cor. we will be changed in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump. In the days of Noah they were taken in judgement & not raptured. Im sure you heard how recent the pretrib rapture is, invented in 1830s. I think it fine to disagree w/ non essentials, I even attend a church that teaches a pretrib rapture, but the fellowship & the gospel of Jesus Christ is what matters. Im always up for & open to a loving discussion on scripture, May the peace of God be w/ you Joshua
you don't get a rapture until after the dead has been raised
the dead get raised at the last day
at the sounding of the LAST trumpet.
the bible calls you a liar.
GOD's word calls you a liar
GOD calls you a liar.
James O'Donnell you need a friend
@@joshuaa3075 You need Jesus.
James O'Donnell I accepted Jesus long ago. Examine yourself to see that you are in the faith. As for your accusations and hurling insults or at least false accusations in my direction. You should not do that.
Proof of a pre trib rapture pay attention to the cloud and Clouds Jesus appears in. Act's chapter 1 verses 9 10 11 cloud. Luke chapter 21 verses 27 and 28 cloud. In Revelation chapter 1 verse 7 Jesus is coming with the Clouds. This is the second coming of Jesus. God bless.......
Why you don't believe in a pre-tribulation rapture? The "great tribulation " has came and gone and no one was raptured.
I dont believe in a pre trib rapture because 1st of all it was introduced in 1830 by John Nelson Darby.Its a false teaching.#2 Matthew 24 is very plain and easy to understand and #3 So is John 6.
Acts 1:11
Verse 14 “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.”
The destruction of Jerusalem is something that was about to happen, which Jesus was explaining, but this would only be a foretaste of even greater global events that will take place at the end of the age. Christ was explaining both. One of the reasons Matthew 24 could not have been fulfilled in 70 AD is because the Gospel had not yet been preached to all nations and more obviously the end did not come. The end that Jesus was talking about is the end of the age. It doesn’t make sense for Jesus to say that the gospel will be preached in all nations and then the end of Jerusalem would come. No, He was saying that the end of the world wouldn’t happen until the gospel of the kingdom had first been preached to all the nations of the world.
@Neil-no5hv Why say Matthew 24 has double fulfillment? How does double fulfillment resolve the pretribulation rapture problem. The pretribulation rapture being the idea that God is going to remove the Church from the Earth before the start of a future seven-year Great Tribulation that ends with Jesus' Second Coming and the start of the Millennium.
@@BibleAnswerMan the pre trib position is not a problem if you take the plain statements of scripture, why dont you rebutt my many points for a pre trib instead of answering them with another question
Truly, the rapture is not taught anywhere in the Bible. The word came from 1 Thes 4:16-17, “caught up” and translated to Latin w/c is “rapiemur”. In the context of Paul’s time, it was an idiom for surrendering to the conquering leader and his armies outside the city walls. And welcoming this leader with the citizens into the city with open arms and hearts. This is what Paul knew of the 2nd coming of Jesus. When the world has been reached with the gospel, and every tribe, nation calls on His Name. Then, He will come back. Every eye will see Him and the dead will be resurrected, then those who are alive and in Christ will be caught up with the resurrected believers in meeting up with Christ in the clouds to welcome Him in this world. Along with Jesus’ army of angels. Those unrepentant and who rejected Him will be gathered separately and tossed in eternal void without Him. Amen.
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Answer, Because Christ didn't teach such false doctrine. Matthew I5:9 the doctrines of men.
Nope, just confirms my strong belief in the biblical teaching of the Pretribulation Rapture.
You are so very eloquent. You convinced me, too. Hail J.N Darby & C.I Scofield!
@@George-ur8ow 😊
Blind to the truth.
Paul said very clearly, in 1 Thessalonians 4: 15-17
the dead shall rise first, then we which are alive and REMAIN
unto the coming of the LORD shall be caught up together with them in the clouds
THE DEAD SHALL RISE FIRST.
this is a huge clue and everyone reads over it and never gives it a thought.
if the dead are raised first then the rapture. it is easy to know when the rapture is.
all you need to know is WHEN DO THE DEAD GET RAISED?
If you know when the dead get raised, you know your rapture is soon to follow.
WHEN DO THE DEAD GET RAISED?
John 6: 44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
and I will raise him up {{{at the last day}}}.
JOHN 11: 24
24 Martha saith unto him,
I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection {{{at the last day}}}.
Now you know when your rapture will be.
AFTER the dead are raised {{{at the last day}}}
Endure to the end. The same shall be saved.
@@LastDaySaintJames You may think that's what the Bible says, but it's not. The passage is very clear. It agrees with all of the other pretribulation passages and typologies all throughout the Bible all the way back to Genesis. The Word of God is so clear that it's pretrib. You can hang out here for the Tribulation if you want, but I'll be snatched off this earth to be with Jesus in the place he has been preparing for me. I honestly can't understand how a true Christian with the Holy Spirit in them could ever think that Jesus, who took God's wrath upon Himself for us, would put His bride through the brutality of the Tribulation. Nope, the Bible doesn't support any other view.
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I cant hear the truth coming from your mouth because of all your opinions
The problem is that this Pre-tribulation rapture is NOT new. Paul was clear about this in 1 Thessalonians 4, John was clear in John 14, and Paul again was clear in 1 Corinthians 15, and these are NOT the only references to, as Paul told us " I tell you a "mystery" which no one knows. Therefore, I believe scripture over anyone's interpretation of it. I'm not interested if anyone came up with the pre-tribulation rapture over Paul's inspiration given by God Himself. I am going with scripture alone. I like Hank a lot, but he should consult his former colleague Ron Rhodes on this matter if he's willing to be schooled. This subject is VERY important to the church because it separates the hellish teaching of Replacement Theology with the truth regarding the difference between the Physical descendants of Abraham, and the Spiritual descendants of Abraham. This is clear, there is a distinction between the two and you will be hopelessly lost in Eschatological matters as Hank now is. God's covenant with the Jew's will be kept. God is not a man that He should lie.
Pretribulation rapture is an oxymoron. A tribulation is something believers endure. If there are no believers it would be called God's wrath. IMHO
Jesus is only coming back for a second time to take up the Church post tribulation. He is not coming a third time.