@Ishtiaque Walid The 2010 model (and the models that have the same design) is the original cheese grater. The new cheese grater is just it's high cost speed talker of a younger brother with a bad case of acne.
Great video. I love it when people try to upgrade their gear, or simply optimize their software, before running out to spend a bunch of money on a new system. Unless you're a true power user, which is like 1% of us, a computer properly spec'd out from the beginning can last a lot longer than most people think...
I've been running two of these in raid0 for about a year now, no issues. I'm willing to lose whatever is on the drives but this is mainly to do with the fact that I back up the important stuff to an HDD.
i've been running RAID 0 on 2 x Corsair Force 3 128gb for the last 5 years at least, 3 different chipsets (Z77, Z97, X99) and I never had to even rebuild the array. It is as reliable as the drives themselves...
I’ve been a long term fan of using second hand macs - this mac would be the fastest mac I’ve ever used and, having just found one for $250 online, you’ve got me thinking...
This is an example that justifies prices for good tech. Reliability and future upgradability that can make a machine like this useful for over a decade. I wish more manufacturers, even beyond computing, would understand this.
Great machine. I still have a 2006 Mac Pro 1,1, just for the sake of upgrading it. It's not my main machine, but I've upgraded the GPU, put in dual 3.00 GHz Quad Xeons, 32 GB RAM (it can handle 64!) and an SSD with 3 TB hard drives for backups and RAID. Of course, it's limited to El Capitan, but it has plenty of power to spare.
I plan on using my 5.1 Mac Pro for another 3 years until I can get the newer one used. I have Nvme drives and a Metal compliant 8gb graphics card and its blazing fast - nowhere near obsolete (way faster than my 2018 Macbook Pro) and people have already found ways to install Catalina and I suspect that trend will continue for quite some time. Im now tempted to go from 8 core to 12 core as the 6 core xeons are now just £50 a pop which is bonkers. These machines are good for at least another 5 years.
Buy a supported GPU that supports Mojave there a ton on eBay under $100, no excuses. I grabbed a used Radeon 570RX @ 4GB in January this year, haven't OC as of yet, but it's running 4K flawlessly and other than the well documented no boot screen it's been stellar.
@@emotionalintelligence776 If you stick with High Sierra, all of them! Otherwise... I think the GTX 7xx series, as those are in the iMac's and MacBook Pros that are still supported by Apple (officially). You can run a GTX 780 (not sure about Ti), but after that that's it. Anything Kepler from what I understand. Edit: 780 Ti is a Kepler card and is supported natively.
I bought parts for a new build that ran me about $1,500. For this price, I get an i7-10700, 64 GB RAM, 1 TB NVMe 3,400 MB/s, support for 2 4K displays on UHD 630 or 3 4K displays on the GTX 1050 ti. CPU is 65 Watts, video card is 75 watts. The case can be outfitted with eight case fans for cooling. I expect this system to run cool and run quiet and use very little power but be able to do some production work if I need it to do so. I looked into old Macs and you have the issues of needing adapters, using slower devices and the problem that the thing could die on you at any time because of a component failure. A new build gives you fast system bus, nVME on motherboard so you don't use PCIe slots, processors that are far more efficient and have far more headroom, not having to futz with video cards, and the ability to just swap in a newer CPU if you need more performance. I can use Windows or Mac for most of my applications. I am using an old MacBook Pro for the stuff that I want to or need to run on macOS. I will re-evaluate when Apple Silicon comes out - if they come out with a mid-tower for a reasonable price, I'm in. Everything that Apple makes except for the current Mac Pro has thermal issues. One issue I have with the current Mac Pro is that it uses 100 Watts at idle. I'm trying to build a green system.
I upgraded and it’s incredible. Think of what the old Mac costs compared to a brand new one. My computer does everything I need it to do and then some.
I built my Mac Pro a couple months ago. Super cheap and a fun project. Upgrades included: AC Wifi, BT 4.0 (continuity/handoff working), RX 580, 500GB NVME, 10GB ETHERNET, USB 3.0, a couple of 500GB Sata SSDs, and x2 2TB Drives, Dual-booting Windows 10 and Mojave.
just started moving to a new house and i saw the previous owners had left one of these in the garage, i’m a huge pc hardware and mac os guy so i can’t wait to start working on making this thing run faster than my macbook pro 2018
Couldn't read all the comments but didn't see any response to this recently so here it is: The bracket that holds the cards in has to go under a lip at the top or they'll be floppy like yours. I know this because mine were floppy and I thought "WTH for all the attention to detail in this machine?!", then I looked a little closer.
Amazon has an Asus branded quad nvme pcie card which appears to be made by the same manufacturer as your $300 one for $57. It has the exact same for factor...
@@ylluminate Then either I am wrong or the thing you read is. I don't know how it could be supported without the necessary chip but if you have a source, let me know.
@@noenken I'm looking into it further. I agree that it doesn't make sense, but the mixed info is frustrating to say the least. BTW, the quad NVMe cards look interesting and there's a 5x that would be nice, but does not have a bifurcation support chip. Might have to buy them on Amazon and play with them. I would like to know how JBOD or APFS container expansion is doing (ie, can we buy 2 or 3 NVMe cards and then expand in a few months through JBOD or APFS container growth?).
Regardless of NvME or CPU, this MacPro has no problems, and the speed is still enough to perform Pro performance, but the only problem, sorry I was wrong, are two problems ... 1: nvidia CUDA driver, 2: Apple deliberately refused to let it Support for the new operating system, although its performance is still very fast.
I bought my Mac Pro 5,1 for £250 in 2013 from a studio in London. I upgraded the RAM from 8GB to 64GB, the CPU from a quad-core 2.66GHz to a six-core X5680, and replaced the 640GB SATA HDD with a pair of 500GB SATA SSDs. I'm currently waiting for my 1TB NVMe drive to arrive from Amazon.
Hey. Great question. My Mac Pro 5,1 is dood for music production. As it relates to your question even if it’s can run your software, as some point the software or even peripheral driver compatibility could stop your workflow. I just tried to install the Final Cut Pro demo. And it said no lol get compatible with Mojave.
Thanks, Hugh. While I loved my 5,1 with similar upgrades, it I’ll not support Catalina and newer OSs. This type of build is fine for those who do not want or need the newest OS upgrades.
lol - I mean we're getting new Mac Pros at work, and I'm CUCKOO FOR COCOAPUFFS with anticipation, lol, but I'm going to be buying a used one of these now to do this too.
That’s a wonderful computer you have. I am shocked you haven’t gone to Mojave as that’s a speed boost for sure. Wait you have an nVidia card. Makes sense why you haven’t updated. How long do you plan to keep yours?
@@felixlutticken5694 no he means how the card is blocking the gpu, therefore less air flow. Also, that card isn't a blower type card, it's a passively cooled one.
@@yellowfello02 It's a standard GTX980. AKA Blower style. The fan doesn't look to be blocked by the card. If you look at his older video on this machine you can see that.
I bought two 2009 mac pro computers for $100 AUS and another damaged (the handle of the case is bent) for $50. I purchased a 240GB Crucial SSD for $25 AUS and will put that in the optical bay and use that as my boot disk. I purchased new a silverstone double adapter for $50 AUS and a Samsung NVMe 500 GB SSD for $60 AUS and plan to buy secondhand another one. I will use this for fast storage. I purchased secondhand a western digital 1tb harddrive 2020 still in the plastic for $15 an other 2018 WD 2tb for $20 plus three more 2015 WD 500 gb hardrive for $15. For the cost of $185 AUS, I will have a decent machine for under $285
To utilize sataII bays: Put 3x2TB in bays 2-4 and make them Raid 0 - you will get 250-350MBps (depending on how filled they are) or 2x4TB in RAID 0. Then 1x10TB in bay 1. Partition 10TB to 4TB and 6TB or 2TB and 8TB if you went with 2x4TB RAID 0. Use the first partition as a TimeMachine for boot drive and second as a backup for raid 0. Using app like Folder Sync Pro you can set it to backup all data except cache every 1,5,15 etc minutes or whenever there is a file change. I've put my 10TB backup disk in a place of the DVD - you can put 2 drives there and still have 4 sata II bays free.
It is but if I recall I read that -in certain circumstances- APFS isn’t recommended and I remember that, for my build, it was strongly advised not to use APFS.
I used a OWC Accelsior with 4 NVME Drives with 1 for boot drive and 3 NVME’s in Raid 0 for edit and 4 x 2TB WD Blacks HDD’s in Raid 5 using the included SoftRaid software as well as 2 x 4 TB HDD’s up in the optical bay I also installed a Sonnet tech 4 port USB-C 3.2 PCIe card .. Radeon Vega 54 GPU . One of my ram sticks died so ordered 48 GB and will install them as soon as they arrive . So maybe not a new latest MacPro it still gets the jobs done … The MacPro is a 2009 4,1 flashed to a 5,1 and upgraded the Quad core cpu to a Hexa core 3.46 . Oh and one more thing….. a flashed thunderbolt card w/ OpenCore boot loader. Running Mojove/ FCP, DIVINCI RESOLVE, PROTOOLS AND UAD LUNA
Apparently no real advantage. It maxes out the CPU. An RX580 seems to be the best compromise. Even the fastest 6 core Xeon supported by the 5,1 can't take full advantage of a newer Radeon 5700 or a VII.
I have a Radeon 5700 and before it I had an RX580 (MacPro 5,1 6-core 3.46Ghz). The Heaven benchmark plays at more than twice the fps, but in real world gaming (e.g. Fortnite) you barely notice the difference. You'll probably gain more by installing Windows on the MacPro to take advantage of faster drivers and hardware decoders (e.g. for recording gameplay with OBS) which are unavailable on MacOSX. If you do go for a 5700, pay attention to the card's height. The only one I could get my hands on that would allow me to continue using the Nvme RAID and USBc PCIe cards was the Asrock Challenger.
Old video and probably somebody already said it but: the Apple way of securing the PCI-cards was not so good for you because you installed the bracket wrong. There is a hook in the top and you need to install the bracket top first to get it behind the "hook". You started right but mid way changed and went bottom first missing the hook. If installed correctly and tightened down its very secure, no cards wiggling around. If you install the bracket bottom first it will always go in the wrong way and the cards will not be secured. I guess RTFM! is in order. 😉 BTW. I made the same mistake early on before I learned how to install it properly. Real Duh! moment for me.
The PCI-E cards don't wiggle around as soon as you close the lid mechanism on the back. There is a retaining bracket that moves and clamps on the back of the PCI-E cards if you close the case. You can watch it when closing the latch without the side panel attached.
On my 5,1 single 6-core 3,46Ghz CPU, RAID 0 setup with 2x Samsung 970 Pro on a Sonnet Fusion nvme controller card, Blackmagic running on Mojave reports 4.5GB/s for both read & write.
holly SHIT, a ten year old machine. okay see - this is why I like buying used macs (my MBP and iMacs are all used/refurbs). I need one of these now. I use a 2013 pro at work and we're getting 2020 models this month. I'm going to try and buy one from work to upgrade it as you have. THANKS!!!!!
I don't have a Mac Pro 5,1 but an OG G5 and I'm always telling people how capable and future proof it was, at the time. I've got good wifi, excellent bluetooth and, with tenfourfox, I pretty much browse the modern internet with ease.
why did you install the NVMe PCIe extension above the GPU instead of in the top slot, this will cause 2 issues, one the heat from the GPU will heat up the NVMe PCIe extension which can actually prevent the m.2s from being properly cooled especially when both the GPU and storage drives are underload and two, this will also cause your GPU to have less room to breath and could cause potential heating issues.
put the drives in the pcie 16x slot you can also add thunderbolt now, with the boot first into bootcamp hack, and usbc and new gpu's, and dual 6 cores.
Forget that card which makes raid 0 or 1 in a direct way ,is only for sequential and not good enough. If you want a trully performer to sature the PCI-E x8 2.0 bus, put an Areca 1884 raid controller card with 4 or 8GB DDR4 cache with a pile of SSD SLC. And you will get 5GB/s seq read and write, and 600MB/s random read/write at 4k 😁.
This is the last upgrade I want to do to my 5,1. I still have the cheaper adapter. The higher end ones are just way too price-y in my opinion. Great video man!
I just made my Mac Pro 2012 into A machine that dwarfs the latest Mac Pro. I spent a total of around about $500 with much upgrades in order to achieve a machine that puts the new Mac Pro into the dirt.
Using an even older Mac Pro 3,1 Surprisingly, still a very usable and versatile machine in 2020 at 12 years old. Running High Sierra and Windows 10 on separate drives. Will move to Mojave once my new GPU arrives.
Hugh Jeffreys, Serious question Sir. First what I'm working with. I have a Mac Pro 5,1 2x3.46 12 Core, which was running High Sierra but had to jump to Mojave with the purchase of a RX580 graphics card. The 5,1 is loaded w/124GB DDR3, OWC provided Sonnet Raid Card w/ 2X2TB SATA Crucial SSD's making a 4TB Boot Drive, plus 4x10TB HDD's in trays (2 HDD's are storage and 2 are Clones), Currently it has a RX580 Sapphire which runs 2x4K 27' displays and my newest Work from home tool a WACOM 32" Cintiq Pro. The adding of the WACOM PRO has just started some serious LAG when I draw to the surface of the unit. SO, getting to the question... If I go the route of a Radeon VII (which you stated and we see is now supported on Mojave) But I have just jumped to Catalina (Damn it!), Hoping that driver upgrades would decrease lag on the RX580. However it didn't! It appears better Graphics performance is needed to run all three monitors with Touch/Draw capabilities. So I'm considering your Radeon VII upgrade. Here is the question - Will the Radeon VII run better on the Catalina OS, is it better supported now without driver limitations that it experienced with Mojave?
Watching this on my Evga SR-2 based pc is oddly similar. These things are still so strong today, thanks to the heaping size of cpu cashe and core count. Kind of a bit hilarious though the mac didnt get usb3 and sata3 standard and this mobo did plus overclocking lol.
The issue with the PCIe card you have for the NVMe cards is that since the logic board doesn't support bifurcation, it won't get the optimal speeds you're looking for. You'll get high speeds with a card that supports bifurcation.
I think the 12 core 3.46 with an added nvme ssd and newer videocard Is almost as fast as the base 8 core $6k unit for about 1k Plus you have all the.memory slots 4 HD bays 2 uhd CD DVD bays can be used for ssds or hd
You reached the upper limit of the Syba I/OCrest and not the PCIe bus on the Mac Pro. A Highpoint or Sonnet card would give you speeds at or near 5000/5500 in Raid 0.
This is a real tough call. I realize that each person has a specific requirement and need but I really question giving up a PCIe slot just for one of these. If it had 4 slots or more, I'd consider it. But you still have to look at the cost. A Sonnet 4x4 PCIe card with all NVME slots maxed is roughly $1200! If you haven't upgraded to dual processors, well, I'd say , get a new Mac because your already at $2000 at that point. I'd rather get a SATA3 4 port PCIe like a Startech for $50. Your not gonna get new Mac speeds but I don't think most people really care just as long as your pegging 600mb/s. IMHO.
I bought a 2008 mac pro and put in a sata SSD in it and it works very well but recently I bought a HP z230 with a zeon processor and it is a hackintosk and boots in mac OS and windows and boy does it work extremely well. It came with 256 sata SSD and a 500 gb WD hard drive. I paid only $170 for the machine and it really represents value for money. I have added another 2tb WD hard drive (2018) which I paid $20 and I am planning put in a samsung 500 gb NVMe which I paid $60 and $50 for the double SSD adapter. I find that the HP destroys the mac pro and powers my 4k monitor better than the mac pro. The HP has taught me that the mac pro is obsolete and it is a waste of money upgrading it.
And you did all of that for less price than the new Apple XDR Monitor Stand!
Hahaha sad but true 😂🤣
B G G this is not sad
@@luiis6674 its not sad.. its depressing
BH Suritto ???
@@luiis6674 bruh u autistic? a monitor stand costs more than a decent pc
The 2010 Mac Pro still looks decent.
@Ishtiaque Walid The 2010 model (and the models that have the same design) is the original cheese grater. The new cheese grater is just it's high cost speed talker of a younger brother with a bad case of acne.
RGC Tech best design ever
@Ishtiaque Walid as a trypophobic, i hate both, but ofc i hate the 2019's way more
Looks like crap. Maybe i should take apart and spray paint mine black
RGC tech bitch you look decent
Great video. I love it when people try to upgrade their gear, or simply optimize their software, before running out to spend a bunch of money on a new system. Unless you're a true power user, which is like 1% of us, a computer properly spec'd out from the beginning can last a lot longer than most people think...
The old Mac Pro looks so beautiful...
I've never heard "reliable" and "RAID 0" in the same sentence before.
Well if you put the sentence as “running ssds in raid 0 is not reliable” you still have the right words and a way more realistic sentence.
@@alexasbagel I choked on my cereal laughing at this.
I've been running two of these in raid0 for about a year now, no issues.
I'm willing to lose whatever is on the drives but this is mainly to do with the fact that I back up the important stuff to an HDD.
i've been running RAID 0 on 2 x Corsair Force 3 128gb for the last 5 years at least, 3 different chipsets (Z77, Z97, X99) and I never had to even rebuild the array. It is as reliable as the drives themselves...
@@SamBinary which on commercial ssds isn't very good at all.
I’ve been a long term fan of using second hand macs - this mac would be the fastest mac I’ve ever used and, having just found one for $250 online, you’ve got me thinking...
You are my favorite tech RUclipsr! I hope the best for Australia 🇦🇺🙏🌏😢
Yes its bad here I'm not near it but the smoke still surrounds the air make it hard for people to go outside to breathe
Snowyy78 same
Nah tech yes city is
Snowyy78 damn. Its still burning ???
@@brotherhood_ofstreetracers4268 yes
This is an example that justifies prices for good tech. Reliability and future upgradability that can make a machine like this useful for over a decade. I wish more manufacturers, even beyond computing, would understand this.
Great machine. I still have a 2006 Mac Pro 1,1, just for the sake of upgrading it. It's not my main machine, but I've upgraded the GPU, put in dual 3.00 GHz Quad Xeons, 32 GB RAM (it can handle 64!) and an SSD with 3 TB hard drives for backups and RAID. Of course, it's limited to El Capitan, but it has plenty of power to spare.
To be honest I really like 2010 Mac computers. They at least have a headphone jack :)
All macs, even the new m1 imacs, still have headphone jack.
And they grate cheddar really really well.
I plan on using my 5.1 Mac Pro for another 3 years until I can get the newer one used. I have Nvme drives and a Metal compliant 8gb graphics card and its blazing fast - nowhere near obsolete (way faster than my 2018 Macbook Pro) and people have already found ways to install Catalina and I suspect that trend will continue for quite some time. Im now tempted to go from 8 core to 12 core as the 6 core xeons are now just £50 a pop which is bonkers. These machines are good for at least another 5 years.
I will keep mine for at least 5 more years. One of the best computers Apple ever made.
Love your vids been watching for over a year and haven’t missed a video
What did you do about your GPU?
Buy a supported GPU that supports Mojave there a ton on eBay under $100, no excuses. I grabbed a used Radeon 570RX @ 4GB in January this year, haven't OC as of yet, but it's running 4K flawlessly and other than the well documented no boot screen it's been stellar.
Some nvidia GPUs are still supported in mojave and catalina
@@TeddyBearGaming999 Stop being bashful and state which ones inquiring minds want to know, Lol...
@@emotionalintelligence776 If you stick with High Sierra, all of them! Otherwise... I think the GTX 7xx series, as those are in the iMac's and MacBook Pros that are still supported by Apple (officially).
You can run a GTX 780 (not sure about Ti), but after that that's it. Anything Kepler from what I understand.
Edit: 780 Ti is a Kepler card and is supported natively.
@@TeddyBearGaming999 most bad gpus
They used to sell them on amazon a few years ago and almost instantly sold out.
I just want to buy one new or old or totally broken. I love the case!
Excellently produced video with lots of informative tips, hope you do more videos like this with mac pro upgrades and imac upgrades.
I bought parts for a new build that ran me about $1,500. For this price, I get an i7-10700, 64 GB RAM, 1 TB NVMe 3,400 MB/s, support for 2 4K displays on UHD 630 or 3 4K displays on the GTX 1050 ti. CPU is 65 Watts, video card is 75 watts. The case can be outfitted with eight case fans for cooling. I expect this system to run cool and run quiet and use very little power but be able to do some production work if I need it to do so. I looked into old Macs and you have the issues of needing adapters, using slower devices and the problem that the thing could die on you at any time because of a component failure. A new build gives you fast system bus, nVME on motherboard so you don't use PCIe slots, processors that are far more efficient and have far more headroom, not having to futz with video cards, and the ability to just swap in a newer CPU if you need more performance. I can use Windows or Mac for most of my applications. I am using an old MacBook Pro for the stuff that I want to or need to run on macOS. I will re-evaluate when Apple Silicon comes out - if they come out with a mid-tower for a reasonable price, I'm in. Everything that Apple makes except for the current Mac Pro has thermal issues. One issue I have with the current Mac Pro is that it uses 100 Watts at idle. I'm trying to build a green system.
Hugh i wish you were my neighbour 😢
Edit: wow thanks for the likes guys i never got that amount before
Hesho’s Productions I wish that too
He lives in your phone !
Me to
I purchased an iphone from ebay and it is icloud lock! Can i unlock it?
Remove the last part bud, no one will sub it you ask.
That is the cleanest-looking inside of a Mac Pro I've ever seen…
I upgraded and it’s incredible. Think of what the old Mac costs compared to a brand new one. My computer does everything I need it to do and then some.
$900 is way better than $6000
I think TronicsFix needs your help with some Iphone Xs!
Yh sure man
He fix only 2
@@lonewolfszn8312 All of them have broken touch.
Fantastic video! I think with time people will come to appreciate just how good these old macs are.
Thats why 2010 Mac Pro is my main pc :D
0:59 these drives are known to be really fast
I have one of those 1tb and it doesn’t slow below 1700MB/s unless it throttles
I built my Mac Pro a couple months ago. Super cheap and a fun project. Upgrades included: AC Wifi, BT 4.0 (continuity/handoff working), RX 580, 500GB NVME, 10GB ETHERNET, USB 3.0, a couple of 500GB Sata SSDs, and x2 2TB Drives, Dual-booting Windows 10 and Mojave.
Could do that to an Xserve then how interesting
druaga1 wants to know your location
just started moving to a new house and i saw the previous owners had left one of these in the garage, i’m a huge pc hardware and mac os guy so i can’t wait to start working on making this thing run faster than my macbook pro 2018
When I clicked on the video I was like did I just tap the wrong one? because of him finally having a new intro
Couldn't read all the comments but didn't see any response to this recently so here it is:
The bracket that holds the cards in has to go under a lip at the top or they'll be floppy like yours.
I know this because mine were floppy and I thought "WTH for all the attention to detail in this machine?!", then I looked a little closer.
I still wish that you went back to the old intro :(
The old one was stale.
@@eddiew.4650 and this one is circa 2006 like
ORIOLESFan02 all good things must come to an end...
@@eddiew.4650 it was iconic
Still bland in my opinion
Ok there are tons of mac channels out there, but this guy takes apple customizations to a new level. Award worthy.
Amazon has an Asus branded quad nvme pcie card which appears to be made by the same manufacturer as your $300 one for $57. It has the exact same for factor...
But it's missing the ASMedia controller for the PCIe bifurcation. In short, that one won't work in the old MP.
@@noenken I've read that the PCIe bifurcation is supported by the Mac Pro 2010.
@@ylluminate Then either I am wrong or the thing you read is. I don't know how it could be supported without the necessary chip but if you have a source, let me know.
@@noenken I'm looking into it further. I agree that it doesn't make sense, but the mixed info is frustrating to say the least. BTW, the quad NVMe cards look interesting and there's a 5x that would be nice, but does not have a bifurcation support chip. Might have to buy them on Amazon and play with them. I would like to know how JBOD or APFS container expansion is doing (ie, can we buy 2 or 3 NVMe cards and then expand in a few months through JBOD or APFS container growth?).
What an awesome project. Really gives you an appreciation for modular designs. 👍
Regardless of NvME or CPU, this MacPro has no problems, and the speed is still enough to perform Pro performance, but the only problem, sorry I was wrong, are two problems ... 1: nvidia CUDA driver, 2: Apple deliberately refused to let it Support for the new operating system, although its performance is still very fast.
I bought my Mac Pro 5,1 for £250 in 2013 from a studio in London. I upgraded the RAM from 8GB to 64GB, the CPU from a quad-core 2.66GHz to a six-core X5680, and replaced the 640GB SATA HDD with a pair of 500GB SATA SSDs. I'm currently waiting for my 1TB NVMe drive to arrive from Amazon.
You might want to reposition your new storage because it looks like it restricts the airflow to your GPU somewhat.
im genuinely considering buying the 2010 mac pro. this really helped :)
Get it, its the best machine ever made.
When are you doing the ultimate ipod classic video been waiting for it
I have finished building it and actually using it right now. Should be out in the next few weeks.
Thanks for leting me know cant wait to see it
he is really a expert of repairing technologies. keep this channel alive! keep up your good work. :)
Didn't understand a word of it. Great video, always makes my Sunday morning watching a Hugh Jeffries video.
Hey. Great question. My Mac Pro 5,1 is dood for music production. As it relates to your question even if it’s can run your software, as some point the software or even peripheral driver compatibility could stop your workflow. I just tried to install the Final Cut Pro demo. And it said no lol get compatible with Mojave.
You are in desperate need of a Hackintosh :D
They have no soul
Thanks, Hugh. While I loved my 5,1 with similar upgrades, it I’ll not support Catalina and newer OSs. This type of build is fine for those who do not want or need the newest OS upgrades.
OC project can help you out.
martin lo's opencore will refresh your machine all the way up to moneterey..
Jeffrey: *puts Samsung ssd's on G5*
Apple: Wait. That's ilegal!
Traian Ungur apple manufactures their computers with Samsung SSDs
Devin Ziegler ya must be fun at parties...
GC 6212 😂😂
GC 6212 Lmfao
it's a mac pro, not a g5
I do really enjoy this kind of videos
I mean old apple laptops&computers restoration
That intro is lit 🔥🔥🔥
3:48 wow that 3xCinema Display setup!
"... If i get the new mac pro OR A PC"
*gasp* "how dare you!?!"😂😂😂
lol - I mean we're getting new Mac Pros at work, and I'm CUCKOO FOR COCOAPUFFS with anticipation, lol, but I'm going to be buying a used one of these now to do this too.
Triple Apple-branded monitors is just mad.
That’s a wonderful computer you have. I am shocked you haven’t gone to Mojave as that’s a speed boost for sure.
Wait you have an nVidia card. Makes sense why you haven’t updated.
How long do you plan to keep yours?
Here's the answer, gtx cards will disappear from Apple's world.
devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1042520/driver/-when-will-the-nvidia-web-drivers-be-released-for-macos-mojave-10-14-/1
Pork Jackson Not surprised by that thread. There’s a reason the relationship between Apple and nVidia went so sour.
I got a Mac Pro 1,1 in 2007. Still use it every day. Kept it upgraded over the years, it just about manages to do VR today (Vive)
Your new M.2 card drastically affects airflow to the GPU
@@felixlutticken5694 no he means how the card is blocking the gpu, therefore less air flow. Also, that card isn't a blower type card, it's a passively cooled one.
@@yellowfello02 It's a standard GTX980. AKA Blower style. The fan doesn't look to be blocked by the card. If you look at his older video on this machine you can see that.
I bought two 2009 mac pro computers for $100 AUS and another damaged (the handle of the case is bent) for $50. I purchased a 240GB Crucial SSD for $25 AUS and will put that in the optical bay and use that as my boot disk. I purchased new a silverstone double adapter for $50 AUS and a Samsung NVMe 500 GB SSD for $60 AUS and plan to buy secondhand another one. I will use this for fast storage. I purchased secondhand a western digital 1tb harddrive 2020 still in the plastic for $15 an other 2018 WD 2tb for $20 plus three more 2015 WD 500 gb hardrive for $15. For the cost of $185 AUS, I will have a decent machine for under $285
Does the expansion card for the NVMes block the video card intake, would like to see the temps of your GPU.
his card is installed upside down thought and the intake on that gtx is on the top
@@peteseta then it has to be blocked by the case, still would like to see GPU temps
@@deganash7767 oh right sorry, GPU temps would be interesting
Deganash ı dont think he uses gpu heavily
@@tvolta4830 even if uses the pc for any amount of time, the GPU will get hot if it can't breathe.
To utilize sataII bays: Put 3x2TB in bays 2-4 and make them Raid 0 - you will get 250-350MBps (depending on how filled they are) or 2x4TB in RAID 0. Then 1x10TB in bay 1. Partition 10TB to 4TB and 6TB or 2TB and 8TB if you went with 2x4TB RAID 0. Use the first partition as a TimeMachine for boot drive and second as a backup for raid 0. Using app like Folder Sync Pro you can set it to backup all data except cache every 1,5,15 etc minutes or whenever there is a file change.
I've put my 10TB backup disk in a place of the DVD - you can put 2 drives there and still have 4 sata II bays free.
You and the 8-Bit Guy should collaborate sometime! I’m serious!
Hi there, I have a 2010 Mac Pro 5,1 too. Amazing results upgrading to the NVMe ssd drives. I think i will do that to my mac pro
How is the performance between APFS and MacOS extended journaled? Isn’t APFS more optimized for SSD’s?
It is but if I recall I read that -in certain circumstances- APFS isn’t recommended and I remember that, for my build, it was strongly advised not to use APFS.
I used a OWC Accelsior with 4 NVME Drives with 1 for boot drive and 3 NVME’s in Raid 0 for edit and 4 x 2TB WD Blacks HDD’s in Raid 5 using the included SoftRaid software as well as 2 x 4 TB HDD’s up in the optical bay I also installed a Sonnet tech
4 port USB-C 3.2 PCIe card .. Radeon Vega 54 GPU . One of my ram sticks died so ordered 48 GB and will install them as soon as they arrive . So maybe not a new latest MacPro it still gets the jobs done … The MacPro is a 2009 4,1 flashed to a 5,1 and upgraded the Quad core cpu to a Hexa core 3.46 . Oh and one more thing….. a flashed thunderbolt card w/ OpenCore boot loader. Running Mojove/ FCP, DIVINCI RESOLVE, PROTOOLS AND UAD LUNA
Put a *”RTX-2080TI”* inside the Mac Pro
Yeah. It probably would support it. That is a GREAT idea!
Apparently no real advantage. It maxes out the CPU. An RX580 seems to be the best compromise. Even the fastest 6 core Xeon supported by the 5,1 can't take full advantage of a newer Radeon 5700 or a VII.
You would bottleneck so hard putting that in that old of a machine, at that point you’d be better off at motherboard swapping it
I have a Radeon 5700 and before it I had an RX580 (MacPro 5,1 6-core 3.46Ghz). The Heaven benchmark plays at more than twice the fps, but in real world gaming (e.g. Fortnite) you barely notice the difference. You'll probably gain more by installing Windows on the MacPro to take advantage of faster drivers and hardware decoders (e.g. for recording gameplay with OBS) which are unavailable on MacOSX.
If you do go for a 5700, pay attention to the card's height. The only one I could get my hands on that would allow me to continue using the Nvme RAID and USBc PCIe cards was the Asrock Challenger.
Old video and probably somebody already said it but: the Apple way of securing the PCI-cards was not so good for you because you installed the bracket wrong. There is a hook in the top and you need to install the bracket top first to get it behind the "hook". You started right but mid way changed and went bottom first missing the hook. If installed correctly and tightened down its very secure, no cards wiggling around. If you install the bracket bottom first it will always go in the wrong way and the cards will not be secured.
I guess RTFM! is in order. 😉 BTW. I made the same mistake early on before I learned how to install it properly. Real Duh! moment for me.
Anyone: *Mentions RAID 0*
Internet Neckbeard: ACKCHYUALLY....
Raid 1 is faster bruh
jlebrech just wait until I tell you a story about RAID 2
The PCI-E cards don't wiggle around as soon as you close the lid mechanism on the back. There is a retaining bracket that moves and clamps on the back of the PCI-E cards if you close the case. You can watch it when closing the latch without the side panel attached.
4:32am in india and iam your big fan
Did any one ask?
I just got thunderbolt in my 2009 Mac Pro and it works with an eGPU. Much better now.
Hugh not a Mac fan but another enjoyable video from you.
Cheers
Same
@@paulkulhawycz4556 when I break down and lose my mind and buy a used crap I mean Mac to try I'm calling Hugh .
I have a Thunderbolt Display hooked up to my 2017 MacBook Pro, but I think I might go down this route and buy a older Mac and upgrade the parts.
I’m always scared of listening to his intro smhh it has that ominous sound
it really gave a heart attack with your name i thought my laptop screen is fcked up!!
@@noobiegamer8053 me too, considering that my laptop is almost 6 years old. BTW, which laptop do you use?
@@trithai9582 acer e5 476g
@@noobiegamer8053 if anyone has a username with long lines, they're most likely to be a 10 year old child.
On my 5,1 single 6-core 3,46Ghz CPU, RAID 0 setup with 2x Samsung 970 Pro on a Sonnet Fusion nvme controller card, Blackmagic running on Mojave reports 4.5GB/s for both read & write.
I guess you’re aware of a Mac Pro 2019 can reach in excess of 10 GB/s with multi-SSD arrays? Just an FYI... :)
you can go 20GB/s on windows without raid and any computer with a raid controller and good drives
Absolutely agree with buying older technology if they still work or upgradable. Save the environment
and some money!
I'm running Mojave with the same ssd, still getting 1400 read/write, any idea?
I think it has to do with the pci slot it is put on, the top two (slots 3 and 4) are x4, slot 2 is x8, and slot one is 16x. Maybe?
Your videos are so satisfying especially those restoring devices ones u are the best tech RUclipsr 🤩🤩🤩
You forgot to remove the stickers from your nvme drives. Those thermal pads will do no good in transferring the heat.
The stickers on Samsung drives are actually made of metal and intended to be a heatsink, thermal transfer will be fine.
remove the stickers and zero warranty.. they wont replace if u have an issue
holly SHIT, a ten year old machine. okay see - this is why I like buying used macs (my MBP and iMacs are all used/refurbs). I need one of these now. I use a 2013 pro at work and we're getting 2020 models this month. I'm going to try and buy one from work to upgrade it as you have. THANKS!!!!!
$10,000...and it doesn't even run crysis 😂
Lmao true....
I don't have a Mac Pro 5,1 but an OG G5 and I'm always telling people how capable and future proof it was, at the time.
I've got good wifi, excellent bluetooth and, with tenfourfox, I pretty much browse the modern internet with ease.
When they dropped support for this laptop I was like ......
Laptop?
@@mhtweeter They probably meant computer instead of laptop.
Pc sorry
why did you install the NVMe PCIe extension above the GPU instead of in the top slot, this will cause 2 issues, one the heat from the GPU will heat up the NVMe PCIe extension which can actually prevent the m.2s from being properly cooled especially when both the GPU and storage drives are underload and two, this will also cause your GPU to have less room to breath and could cause potential heating issues.
好像翼王也出过这种视频耶
put the drives in the pcie 16x slot
you can also add thunderbolt now, with the boot first into bootcamp hack, and usbc and new gpu's, and dual 6 cores.
Poor graphics card. That airflow is nonexistant
those Mac Pro cases are windtunnels, there is a shocking amount of airflow over the cards, it's a work of art.
Forget that card which makes raid 0 or 1 in a direct way ,is only for sequential and not good enough.
If you want a trully performer to sature the PCI-E x8 2.0 bus, put an Areca 1884 raid controller card with 4 or 8GB DDR4 cache with a pile of SSD SLC. And you will get 5GB/s seq read and write, and 600MB/s random read/write at 4k 😁.
Hah! Samsung in a Apple.
That’s what apple itself still does
This is the last upgrade I want to do to my 5,1. I still have the cheaper adapter. The higher end ones are just way too price-y in my opinion. Great video man!
What is the price when the 5.1 release?I forgot
The Ehsan27 $2,499 USD
Build a pc, install Linux and be done with it.
I just made my Mac Pro 2012 into A machine that dwarfs the latest Mac Pro. I spent a total of around about $500 with much upgrades in order to achieve a machine that puts the new Mac Pro into the dirt.
First
Using an even older Mac Pro 3,1 Surprisingly, still a very usable and versatile machine in 2020 at 12 years old. Running High Sierra and Windows 10 on separate drives. Will move to Mojave once my new GPU arrives.
Hugh Jeffreys,
Serious question Sir. First what I'm working with. I have a Mac Pro 5,1 2x3.46 12 Core, which was running High Sierra but had to jump to Mojave with the purchase of a RX580 graphics card. The 5,1 is loaded w/124GB DDR3, OWC provided Sonnet Raid Card w/ 2X2TB SATA Crucial SSD's making a 4TB Boot Drive, plus 4x10TB HDD's in trays (2 HDD's are storage and 2 are Clones), Currently it has a RX580 Sapphire which runs 2x4K 27' displays and my newest Work from home tool a WACOM 32" Cintiq Pro. The adding of the WACOM PRO has just started some serious LAG when I draw to the surface of the unit.
SO, getting to the question... If I go the route of a Radeon VII (which you stated and we see is now supported on Mojave) But I have just jumped to Catalina (Damn it!), Hoping that driver upgrades would decrease lag on the RX580. However it didn't! It appears better Graphics performance is needed to run all three monitors with Touch/Draw capabilities. So I'm considering your Radeon VII upgrade.
Here is the question - Will the Radeon VII run better on the Catalina OS, is it better supported now without driver limitations that it experienced with Mojave?
Well done. Make sure you have a generator and a water pump and a swimming pool to protect your house against the fires there.
Watching this on my Evga SR-2 based pc is oddly similar.
These things are still so strong today, thanks to the heaping size of cpu cashe and core count.
Kind of a bit hilarious though the mac didnt get usb3 and sata3 standard and this mobo did plus overclocking lol.
Thank you brother, I needed this information. this tower I have (2009) works like a charm so far
Ah great upgrade choice, I have done the same previously and put in a Vega Frontier as the drivers are built in due to the Imac Pro.
The issue with the PCIe card you have for the NVMe cards is that since the logic board doesn't support bifurcation, it won't get the optimal speeds you're looking for. You'll get high speeds with a card that supports bifurcation.
I think the 12 core 3.46 with an added nvme ssd and newer videocard
Is almost as fast as the base 8 core $6k unit for about 1k
Plus you have all the.memory slots 4 HD bays
2 uhd CD DVD bays can be used for ssds or hd
it will do well in multicore but single core performance is bad by today standards...those xeon cpus are just old and inefficient
Not an Apple fan but that Mac Pro aged really well! Looks new and modern despite being over 10yrs old.
You reached the upper limit of the Syba I/OCrest and not the PCIe bus on the Mac Pro. A Highpoint or Sonnet card would give you speeds at or near 5000/5500 in Raid 0.
This is a real tough call. I realize that each person has a specific requirement and need but I really question giving up a PCIe slot just for one of these. If it had 4 slots or more, I'd consider it. But you still have to look at the cost. A Sonnet 4x4 PCIe card with all NVME slots maxed is roughly $1200! If you haven't upgraded to dual processors, well, I'd say , get a new Mac because your already at $2000 at that point. I'd rather get a SATA3 4 port PCIe like a Startech for $50. Your not gonna get new Mac speeds but I don't think most people really care just as long as your pegging 600mb/s. IMHO.
I bought a 2008 mac pro and put in a sata SSD in it and it works very well but recently I bought a HP z230 with a zeon processor and it is a hackintosk and boots in mac OS and windows and boy does it work extremely well. It came with 256 sata SSD and a 500 gb WD hard drive. I paid only $170 for the machine and it really represents value for money. I have added another 2tb WD hard drive (2018) which I paid $20 and I am planning put in a samsung 500 gb NVMe which I paid $60 and $50 for the double SSD adapter. I find that the HP destroys the mac pro and powers my 4k monitor better than the mac pro. The HP has taught me that the mac pro is obsolete and it is a waste of money upgrading it.
That old MacPro hits PCIE limits, probably running in PCIE 3.0 X4 mode. You could try it in different PCIE slot.