Jeep 4xe Recall: Your Comments & More!
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- Опубликовано: 1 дек 2023
- Just a week after my video on the Jeep Hybrid Explosion in Belgium, a recall has been issued for the Jeep 4xe. With 8 vehicle fires, including 6 while on the road, it's clear that the battery is a major concern. Discover the details behind this recall and join the conversation in the comments. I also answer your questions/comments from my previous videos!
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Yep, referred here from John Cadogan's RUclips channel. And subscribed. Enjoying your content. Thank you.
Hey mate I am here because of John Cadogan in Australia.
I am a rescue first responder, not a firefighter but road crash rescue is our most common type of response. Have definitely subscribed you do excellent work, thank you very much.
Keep up the good work. Can we have a video letting us know how bad the gases given off by a burning battery are for health. Thanks
I plan on one in the future.
Hydrogen cycanide is given off by EV batteries and that is lethal if you are anywhere near one
@@Anonymous-ib8so indeed, a lung full of that and your on your way to a whole different adventure. By the by, watching from Australia and enjoy the informative commentary, as a seafarer I am trained in fire fighting and confined space operation and the thought of having to deal with such a fire does not excite myself.
One of the gases is Hydrogen Cyanide and spreads for at least 500 metres more on breezy days. That gas is a killer
Thanks for all the work you put into your site. I am a retired firefighter and never had to deal with these types of fires. But, another concern of mine is the use of things like e-bikes and scooters ect. The fires they cause can be quit bad as well. I have been following the issues that NYFD is having these thing are indeed a scary thing. Keep up your good work it's a great place to go for up to date info.
I'll be discussing micromobility in my next video.
I love your Chanel. John Cadogan put me onto you captain. He is a real character, and like you he delivers facts. He also delivers a good dose of humour, and isn’t worried about offending anyone.
Great Video. Stop caring about everyone's option and just do what you you best. Be you. You will never please everyone.
2:46 - That's such a relief. I haven't seen a professional in so many years (not really, but on RUclips it's refreshing).
Also referred by JCAE & love your content from a fire fighters perspective. You are the frontline personnel dealing with these chemicals & toxins. As more EVs are being produced, sold & become thermal runaways, the more the manufacturers don’t give a shit. Your lives & innocent bystanders are at risk.
Thank you for highlighting this! Now it’s time for governments to put a stop to peddling this “greeness”
Hmmm i was a mechanic for 35 years and Jeeps are one of the best off road vehicles ever built! They spend a lot of time in repair shops OFF the Road😅
I do like your channel. I work in the auto field and EV's are a headache.
Thank you for your hard work. You are working on an existing issue that the average joe does not understand but will affect them nonetheless.
I'm a retired firefighter. Mix in the L-ion battery with gas makes a really huge fire. Junk on wheels that explode.
The age of ICE vehicles involved in fires is a good point, and thank you for raising this. John Cadogan also speaks of ICE fires from vehicles stolen, used for nefarious purposes and the dumped and torched. Not sure what the stats are on that in Oz or the US, but i think it is often overlooked as a thing. I like your preset stations just as they are. All good. 👍
I was also referred by Auto Expert J. Cadogan and subscribed.
You sir are the authority with regard to fire issues.
I wouldn't waste my time with basement dwelling keyboard meatballs.
Stay the course
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Thank you for sharing this information..
Good of you to mention that most vehicles (either EV or ICE) don't burn to the ground. One thing most people miss is that the quantity of EV's going up in smoke is still a small percentage compared to the number of them on the road.
One other thing is that a number of EV fires happen because the battery has been damaged either by running over something on the road or in an accident.
Yes, another of John Cadogan's viewers. You actually look more like John than Jamie...
Keep up the good work.
Maybe John should grow a mustache 🤔
Thank you. Great video. 👍
Thank you, your impartiality on these issues make you a reliable source for information.
Another great video , with valuable info .
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yep it was J Cadogan who sent me here . glad he did too! good info here for everyone.
As a Jeep 4xe Rubicon owner, I find these videos very informative and thank you for posting them. It's good to be aware of the hazards. I've really enjoy driving my jeep but have concerns about the battery, but fortunately my vehicle is not affected the recall and my jeep has been extremely reliable, but who knows what the future holds. Realistically, I may end up trading it in for a traditional ICE vehicle like the 4Runner as you truly can't beat the rock solid reliability of the 4runner vs the Jeep.
Jeep Wranglers have never been reliable. I avoided them when I was in high school and firmly told my parents I wanted a Cherokee. It outlasted EVERY car my parents owned! By the time I sold it, it was almost 13 years old and past 90,000 miles (I never off roaded it, the curse of living in a city where no real trails are), it only went to the repair shop once and that was to replace a coolant tank. They told me it was worn out and probably due for replacement within a few months anyway. I only sold it because, well 15 mpg was not easy to stomach when gas prices kept rising. I wouldn't be able to afford it today anyway, LOL...
PS: don't listen to people braying and hooting about their Honda Accords. The Jeep outlasted my brother AND his wife's Hondas (they each had an Accord). One day, my brother ditched the car. He was fed up with the repair bills and his wife sold hers too. They both warned me about the same thing: they hold together very well for about 70,000 miles, then the problems come. First it's something very minor. Then another. And another. And another. And soon, you're up to your neck in repair bills.
I posted a comment directed to John Cadogan on his channel to check out your videos a few weeks ago. Whether I was the one to help you both connect is less important than the awareness you both create on the dangers of EV batteries, not just on cars but any battery. EV fires are rare; however, once the chemical reaction begins, it feeds itself with catastrophic results.
I am not anti-EVs at all. I do plan to purchase one relatively soon. The charging station will be installed outside. The knowledge I've gained from following John for over two years now, the discovery of this channel, and the few videos I've watched have given me enough data to make an informed decision.
... and for that, I thank you both.
Keep up the good work. With all the safety changes that have come in the last 40 years, they all make the firefighters job more difficult to do without constant training to know where to cut are where to avoid on every different vehicle. EV's are the same and require more training to keep up before you run into the real thing.
Outside of crashes, EV fires seem so much more unpredictable and are generally far more severe than with gasoline fuelled vehicles. Even if they're rarer, those facts make them so much more concerning to the average person.
That’s why StacheD made the videos, to help with awareness of the issues. Also E-Bike batteries exploding are another issue he brings up as well.
EVs fires as a percentage of EVs on the road are in fact more frequent than diesel or petrol cars. Do not buy one if you value your family and home
Great points
i've had two gas cars burn on me and the gas tank was uncompromised on both. the one thing that burn on gas cars (the interior with too many plastic parts) is the thing they have in common with EV's 😂
@@manitoba-op4jx The one time I could have had a fire but didn’t involved a squirrel going in and chewing the lines
Great videos about REAL LIFE things that could be deadly or harmful if people are not aware of the risks. Keep doing exactly what you are doing, educating those who don’t live in fairytaleland. Don’t change a thing, those Millenials and younger who complain about hand gesturing or a person’s looks are immature at best, and mentally disturbed at worst. Don’t be intimidated by idiots, we appreciate what your videos are doing to educate us on real world occurrences. Thank you.
Thanks StacheD, I’m thinking E-Bike battery fires might be a bigger thing, often people store the E-Bike batteries indoors or get questionable quality E-bike batteries for cost cutting. Anyways, the apartment building fires started by the E-bikes have probably come by your notice.
I agree 100%. My next video is on this topic. Hopefully it'll be out Tuesday.
@@StacheDTraining Thanks. Looking forward to that one!
John sent me, subscribed.
Thermal management is the biggest issue with all batteries big and small. The companies that are learning this lesson are burning the midnight oil. Chinese are the biggest burners. What’s needed is a foam for these batteries like airline fuels.
Found you from John!
another great video and you hit another point about ev and ice fires EVs tend to go up through an initial fault or damage and most ICE fires are from ones poorly maintained and very old . My problem is we dont have many old EVs for 2 reasons the cost of maintenance to age / value also there is no numbers that old on the roads to find a relative study point .
I'm curious to see if we'll ever have 15 - 20 year old EVs on the road.
@@StacheDTraining its doubtful we will have them ever maintained by the manufacture as they stop being viable with the age of the battery and electronic control systems and stored data that degrades over time . yes in the uk you can still find a few electric milk floats working 40 years after they were discontinued not a data chip or lithium cell in them .
Like your videos👍👍😎🇺🇸
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A 17500 kW battery? I‘d buy that with the Jeep and resell the cells.
You surely meant 17500 Wh or 17.5 kWh. About 1/4 the battery capacity of a typical EV
You are 100% correct. I misspoke. It's about 1/4 the size of a US EV. 1/2 the size of European EVs.
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Batteries should be incased In a anti fire foam sealant in case 9f runaway
How can a battery pack realistically catch fire. I have been brainstorming this since the first one and listening and watching everyone that comes my way. In reality. It doesn't make sense. It does if you take this route. Vehicle's cause vibration. It doesn't matter how the batteries are packaged. The batteries are spot welded. If the weld is not done correctly. The weld will come apart. Cause a hot spot. Same as. If one of those batteries loses a part of its casing on one of the ends. Anything metal can make a bad connection. Causing the battery to catch fire. My conclusion and my opinion on EV fires is that all of the individual batteries take the odds of the battery back to catch fire. It will happen in time. The amount of the batteries and the high vibration with how the batteries are connected. Spot welding. My opinion only.
As of yet my 2024 4xe Willy’s has no recalls and still runs amazing at 10,000 miles and if by chance there is a issue later on it’s jeeps responsibility if my Willy’s catches fire or even burns my house so I’m not going to lose sleep over it and if by chance I get a recall I’ll take it in and get it fixed
Yeah buddy agreed look like who you are! 🎉 Merry Christmas Pilgrims Amen
I might be mistaken, but I heard where they used diesel fuel down South to extinguish fires in bales of cotton.
Please wave your arms more 🙌 Great energy.
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the hand movements would be fine if u zoomed out or panned down so u can fully see them, a lot of people talk with hands and its great, but it does look weird when they're obscured, poppup up and down on the bottom of the screen..
I was working on UK offshore gas platforms in the early 90s. We had halon bcf 1301 extinguisher systems which were brilliant at putting out fires by chemically disrupting the fire rather than removing an element of the fire triangle. They got banned for making holes in the Ozone layer allegedly. I bet a couple of squirts of halon on a battery fire would be a valid experiment these days. Our platform batteries were nicad for cranking engines and lead acid for standby typically back then. Any thoughts about the halon extinguishers?
BCF is excellent at suppressing fires where electrical components are energised. It has a boiling point of -3.7C. When applied it will cool a BEV battery while also removing available oxygen from the environment. Current implementations do NOT lend themselves to portable deployment where the effect of wind can not be controlled. It also requires automated remote initiation (ships, airliners) as it will asphyxiate anyone and anything nearby without PPE. It will not stop a battery from reigniting days or weeks later. Halon is expensive and it’s use is highly regulated
Thanks for the reply. I think the suppression systems were installed with the jet powered gas compressors, which was enclosed with no personnel in the vicinity.
The other problem that I think causes problems with these batteries is the parallel connection of cell strings. Good banks of cells feeding the bad ones without a method of disconnecting the parallel banks. I've had to tidy up a few vrla banks that have done this before. Best guess was an Ac charging spike surge getting through the charger circuit and finding the weakest cell to breakdown, then the rest of the cells in parallel connection feeding amps into the lower voltage faulty cell string causing the heat and meltdowns.
Current monitoring each string of cells and some logic to perform a parallel disconnect of faulty modules may help but sounds too expensive for mass production car batteries built to a budget I suspect.
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I love my 4xe. Nearly 500lb feet of torque. And I charge for free at the target across the street from my house. My 4xe is not on the recall list. Fingers crossed it stays that way. Apparently the problem stems with a manufacturing defect from the high voltage battery from Samsung.
60 days in the shop for my 2023 4XE. No fix yet and onky engineer can order parts. It may be 3-4 months of out of service time.
Do not buy or lease 4XE. Actually don't buy Stellantis vehicles due to customer service.
AUSSIE Jeff Moore was curios from a fire fighters viewpoint as I used to volunteer for Rural Fire Service New South Wales.Thats why I subscribed.
Don't worry about the Naysayers as they are often biased and ill-informed.
Leaking gas cell allowed hydrogen from the airship to mix with oxygen from the outside air, and a spark, possibly from static electricity, ignited the gas leading to the fire that consumed the Hindenburg.
I'm another Cadogan gingerbeer import.Based purely on the science I have absolutely no need for an EV. I live 450km from my nearest major city and 700km from Newcastle. The range is just not comparable to my little Golf with 1150 km range. Even my new CX30 only gets 750km. Why would I spend $60-70k to in crease my trip from 7hrs to 11hrs. I see Tesla's and BYD in my area but rarely on our highways. Australia is no friend to road users.
And I thought central Pennsylvania or the Midwest was spread out.
Was up halfway on the mountain and needed a plug....
You know what’s crazy the fact I had to find out about this recall from RUclips . The dealership or Jeep didn’t reach out to me inform me that it had a recall and my daughter sits right on top on the batteries. I’m going to call Jeep and let them hear my opinion it’s ridiculous
That's unfortunate.
Why are you showing a photo of the previous generation Wrangler JK in your thumbnail. The JK Wrangler was never available as a plug-in hybrid vehicle.
My diesel Wrangler doesn’t catch fire when I plug it in.
I heard about this recall two weeks ago.
Nothing. No communication from Stellantis. Nothing. 4xE is in the garage right now.
There are a lot of people that think EVs are the best thing since sliced bread. You are telling the truth, and they don't like it, so that's why they attack you.
"best things since sliced TOAST...."
This is what happens when you shoehorn batteries and electric motors in an ICE vehicle just to get a hybrid EV on the market.. jeeps in general are poorly built…
If EVs are the best thing since sliced bread, are EV fires the best thing since toast?
IMHO vehicle technology peaked with the carburetor and stick shift, it's gone downhill since then.
@@RiverRatWA57 What about fuel injection, that started to replace carburettors in the 1970s
the all electric drive time or mileage on these jeeps is a whooping 25miles (per charge)
What people don’t understand it is much easier to put out a gas or diesel vehicle fire than an electric vehicle the electric vehicle is a bad move
Hey Bud, put on a Beret and you definitely will look like Jamie Heineman! You might have to cross your arms first, but you will be mistaken for him!
Imagine if insurance companies increase fees for EVs.
What will be the consequence of this?
Imagine the law that forces the car companies to pay for every damage that happens without a crash.
What will be the consequence of this?
I'm leasing my Jeep 4×e do I have to keep it, I don't feel safe after this, it's a hybrid
Hopefully, they will announce a fix fairly quickly.
@@StacheDTrainingStellantis has with form Jeep recalls. They just need to be better than GM was with their Chevy Bolt battery recall. So far they seem to be not making the same mistakes GM did
I would love to see documentation on evs involved in accidents and if they caught fire, side impact vs head on etc.
For those people out there who do not know about EVs don't buy them. Check the prices on replacing the battery in an EV first and then look up how many have caught fire either at home charging or in an accident. Just an FYI, it costs on average $15,000 to $30,000 to replace the battery in an EV. You could buy a brand new engine in an ICE or another car for that much.
If you’re taking flak you know you’re over the target.
Put the hat on
All you need to know is potential an that should be enough house car boat hell the outhouse can all catch fire you don't need to know somebody but you do need to know it can happen
Research is important with anything new, forewarned is forearmed. Evs have a big place in today's society, as I see it , it's a problem with the type of battery and also the way it's being handled politically ,both are doing major damage,
The best way is DON'T BY ELECTRIC. GASOLINE IS STILL A LOT MORE RELIABLE.
Didn't watch the vid because you used a Jeep JK model as a thumbnail. Minus respect.
Your hand movements remind me of Scotty ?
I would say EV fires are low probability, very high risk.
Such a heavy battery good for only 26 miles lol.
When will EVs be banned from underground car parks?
Once insurance companies chime in after a significant loss. The reversing of EV adoption will be likely driven by insurance pricing.
could be worse, search for "A car-carrying ship that burned for a week on the North Sea"
GM tech here. They are not pushing EV training anymore…. Just saying
I can believe it. Both GM & Ford have stepped back from the EV push.
Hmmm is Hydrogen by itself Combustible?
Better off with turbo 4 cylinder Wrangler
I've had a lot of jeeps over the last fifty years and i can tell you, the tj was the last real jeep.
It isn't what it used to be.
Thanks for the update on these dangerous situations our local Ken and Barbie media won't report this stuff because it goes against the current Green woke Narrative
All EVs are potential bombs and I always try to park as far away as possible from any I see. How long before ferry companies and Euro Tunnel ban them
although i do listen to Aussie John Cadogan, i just wanna say i was here "on my own recognizance" well BEFORE Aussie John Cadogan. yeah when it comes to Li-ion battery fires i just have a "personal best practice" (and this is just me) where i think it's better we listen to the SMART people in society, rather than "shoot our collective eyes out" listening to the DUMB people in society...
naturally in this scenario the SMART people are going to be the ones RISKING THEIR LIVES and that would be Fire Fighters. It's also possible because i live on East Coast of 'Murica, i have simply a much more vivid memory of 911 and the critical role FDNY and other Fire Fighters played in that event back 22 years ago. "Pepperidge Farm Remembers..."
I spoke to the dealer about the recall. They told me there wasn't a fix. They expect in fix in the first quarter of 2024. WTF am I supposed to do for three more months? Park the jeep in the street?
Or sell it
@@rogerdodrill4733 I cant do that. It was bought for the 4 wheel down towinging behind a RV. And my wife likes if too much.
My best friend bought a 2021 Jeep 4exe (in 2021 New) it’s been a POS.
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I'm so sick of hearing "sAvE dA' pLaNeT".
Comments are useless, I would not pay much attention to it.
I think it matters. I mean I’m relatively not a passionate creator on RUclips, but some comments have good questions in them.
Good point. I was thinking about the ad hominem stuff only.
Jeep is the worst and most😮 dishonest in the world.
Part of the Stellantis group. Give it a minute. They could do the right thing. Or be sued out of existence for not doing the right thing
The Jeep brand went to crap once it was bought by Chrysler, they have lived off a name and reputation built during WWII and it started to go downhill once AMC owned it, but Chrysler pushed it over a Cliff by using substandard parts, poor design and has proceeded to get worse year by year. If buyers reviewed repair Nightmare shops had even at dealerships they would run from Jeeps or accept unless rebuilt and upgraded by them, they were built to fail
Jeep = Fiat
The biggest piece of junk I ever bought.
Quality control problems with this outfit..... from the get go.
It's a jeep so doesn't matter. Just junk for wannabe 4wheelers.
CO2 is not nasty stuff . It's the gas of life.
CO2 is typically at 400 ppm in the atmosphere, and there is no issue. CO2 released from a battery failure can be more than 30,000 ppm.
@@StacheDTraining
Every time we exhale it are 40,000 ppm CO2.
If you are this close to a battery fire, other gases or just the heat will kill you first.
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Any idea how firefighters will be able to get into Elon Musk's bulletproof Cybertruck?
Electric Vehicles, or EVs, Are Not Cars
The government and auto industry wants us to believe that EVs are interchangeable with gas-powered vehicles.
EVs are not a “car” as we know them. EVs are experimental transportation devices that the government wants us to accept as a car replacement.
I believe the rollout of them was extremely premature. They look like cars, and seem to function like cars, but they are not cars.
Words and their traditional definitions matter.
Using the word car for an EV is misleading. I try to avoid it.
EVs are a completely different machine and when purchasing one that should be our mindset.
Replacements For Vital Machines Must Outperform Their Predecessors To Be Universally Adopted
For a new product or invention, which an EV is, to replace a tried and true significant part of our daily lives, like our cars, it has to be a better choice.
How should a car replacement be better?
1) Cheaper purchase price, lifetime maintenance and disposal.
2) Better performance, road handling and driving range
3) More convenient on the road charging than gas fill up
4) Safer in all ways, including charging away from home
5) Seamless and transparent replacement for our current experience with cars.
How do EVs stack up in those five categories?
1) EVs are more expensive than gas-powered vehicles. Overall costs over time are much higher for EVs. Even if they were cheaper, the current negative impacts of the loss of convenience and functionality make EVs not worth replacing our cars with experimental replacements. Government subsidies paid to corporations and individuals approach $50,000 per EV. An EV is less functional, yet more expensive? Who thought of this great system?
2) EVs have much higher average horsepower, but other than that the driving experience is not much different and is sometimes deficient. Range anxiety is real and total miles available on a full charge falls terribly behind a full tank of gas.
3) Gas stations are much safer, more convenient and time saving than EV charging stations. This is the most important variable, and the EVs fail miserably here.
4) The level of danger using an unmanned EV charging station at night in a deserted parking lot is not tenable, compared to gas stations which have personnel, lights and security cameras.
5) EVs are not a cheaper, more functional replacement for our cars.
EVs fail on almost every measure.
This certainly does not make a great case for EVs.
Using EVs dramatically changes your entire driving experience, one of the most important parts of our daily lives.
There are so many unanswered questions about the impact on us if the government were to ban gas-powered vehicles in favor of EVs.
Mandating EVs will change our way of life.
As with other government experiments in the recent past, they want us to be the test subjects.
I propose we opt out of this government experiment and all others in the future.
Fad For Wealthier People
EVs are still a fad for wealthier people for the most part. Currently they are mostly an option for owners of free standing single family homes and less often owners of townhouses with a garage.
And even for those free standing single family homeowners, once you have more than one EV, it can quickly become impractical, cumbersome and unworkable.
There are government laws forcing apartment complex owners and townhouse communities to allow residents to install charging stations, but they are not widely used.
The vast majority of renters and townhouse owners don’t have the ability to purchase an EV as they can’t charge them nightly.
EVs require access to a power supply that can extend to your EV where they are parked overnight. While away from home needing a charge, you need to find a charging station.
For people who own free standing homes, with a traditional garage and driveway setup, this is relatively simple and most practical. But even then, a family with two or more EVs may not be able to charge all of them overnight. Once you expand beyond one EV, things begin to fall apart.
Many townhouse owners are in the same predicament as apartment renters.
Renters of any type of home usually don’t have the ability or finances to install the systems needed to charge an EV. They would also need permission from the landlord.
Even if an apartment complex or townhouse association installed a few, having this done on mass scale for all apartment and townhouse residents is not practical for decades to come, if at all.
Townhouses, although purchased as a residence, are more likely to be a temporary stop to a free standing home, and so installing a charging station may not be worth the investment.
Excluding these drivers will stall or make impossible the complete replacement of gas-powered vehicles with EVs.
So, what percentage of drivers are in free standing single family homes? This is the true market for EVs on the consumer level. And, again, only for one EV in the family.
Let’s take a look at the chart below. It will tell us what % of us have severe barriers to entering the EV space.
132,000,000 - USA Households
83,000,000 - Detached single family homes
49,000,000 - USA Households With Barriers To Entry Into EV Space
37.12% (A) - % USA Households With Barriers To Entry Into EV Space
233,000,000 (B) - Drivers In The USA
86,000,000 (A × B) - USA Drivers With Barriers To Entry Into EV Space
86,000,000 out of 233,000,000 U.S. drivers cannot practically transition to EV use.
This 37% of drivers who cannot use an EV is important to remember, as it impacts the rest of the problems EV owners face.
Safety Issues At Charging Stations On The Road
Again, remember, we are imagining a world where gasoline is no longer needed and so gas stations would become a novelty.
So, with only EVs in everyday use, there will be times we need to charge away from home. Where will this take place? There is some EV charging infrastructure built out, but there are many problems. And this is with a very small percentage of EVs on the road.
Imagine, again, that only EVs were allowed. The infrastructure needed is unfathomable.
And what is the infrastructure for remote charging going to look like?
I have serious concerns here as should you.
When we need gas, we simply find an open gas station.
Gas stations have security cameras and personnel when they are open.
We take these well lit locations with employees and security cameras for granted. These safety features do not exist at EV charging locations. Most will be in parking lots of retail shopping centers with no attendants.
This decreases security and increases waiting times. That is what they are proposing. We should not accept these severe regressions of course.
Parents, let me ask you. Would you accept your children going into dark and empty parking lots, when retail stores are closed, to charge up for 20 or 30 minutes by themselves with no personnel on site?
No security. No one in government is talking about this. Remember, they want to eliminate the safe gas stations that are an integral part of our culture and replace them with this.
Of course you would not.
This is just another barrier I don’t hear anyone discussing.
EVs are not interchangeable with gas-powered vehicles. They are a completely different machine. They are not cars.
Consumers need to demand the same level of security measures and functionality that gas stations provide.
Rubbish!
17 kw not 17,000 kw.
Yup, I misspoke. Downside of not scripting out the content.
If you start getting too many comments to read, blame John Cadogan. 🦘 🐨
600,000 vehicles with bad LG, SK, and now Samsung. Recall software upgrade is actually a downgrade. Limits charge and discharge rate and SOC, state of charge. HF? steve@lithiumawareness I have much info for you.