BMW M’s Secret CSLs You’ve Never Seen Before - Part 1: V8 E46 M3 CSL + M2 CSL | Top Gear
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Ever since BMW’s M Division started business back in 1972, only three cars have ever officially worn the ‘CSL’ moniker. The original 3.0 CSL everyone of a certain age gets gooey over, the E46-generation M3 CSL that warms the dark heart of the internet, and the latest M4 CSL. However, there were four secret CSL prototypes that never saw the light of a Munich day, at least until now.
In this first of two parts, Top Gear Magazine’s Ollie Marriage breaks into BMW’s secret bunker to talk you around two of said CSL prototypes. First up, an E46 M3. “But M already did one of those CSLs,” you cry. Yes, but not one like this. Because this - “a crazy experiment” - packs the V8 from the E39-gen M5 - probably the most lusted-after M5 - which means 400bhp from that 5.0-litre eight-cylinder.
Then there’s the F87 prototype M2 CSL, which featured elements from the M4 GTS and got an uprated engine kicking out 444bhp, bucket seats, a rollover bar, a carbon rear wing and carbon-ceramic brakes. Keep your eyes peeled and don’t forget to subscribe so you don’t miss part two, the final two cars are pretty mad too.
Chapters
0:00 - M4 CSL
0:52 - Tour of BMW's Treasure Hall
1:35 - V8 E46 M3 CSL
5:04 - F87 M2 CSL
9:50 - Outro
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Fun fact: BMW also has an E34 Touring with the S70/2 from a McLaren F1 and a manual transmission in it somewhere in the bowels of their collection.
OMG, we need to see this
As well as the X5 Lm using the S70/2
@@desmondmcfadden7952 is this possible??
@@BrunoGDC maybe later.
Fun facts: chirstmas lights
I really wish they had mass produced the V8 version of the E46. That would have been an absolute beast of a coupe, even by todays standards. I love the straight six, but that V8 would have been perfection.
That’s why the E92 M3 was the successor
I say E90 V8 in an E46 would be perfect. I remember when the E90 V8 engine was first confirmed for production and everyone, including myself, was like "so what if it makes 100hp more, V8 is going to be too heavy in a 3 series but then the specs showed the all aluminum V8 actually weighs less than the iron block 6... still never felt "ok" tho. But 444 n/a herspwrs at 8200rpm... quite an engine!!
@@brodsterm3 as much as I love the S62, the S65 has F1 roots, & is sounds gnarly with a full exhaust at redline!
@@OhNotJohnny wish i can own one.
@@brodsterm3 the car seem quite OP in my opinion.
"this uses the same engine as the regular m2cs"... proceeds to show a n55 engine.
Lol
I was pretty frustrated with that lol.
lmao clearly haven't done their hw
Lmao came here to say this.
Not surprising considering the lack of functionality in other areas of the car lol “just a design study” xD
That engine is a N55b out of the OG M2 not a S55 M2 CS engine. Sorry mate.
i noticed that aswell this carf mustve been buiilt a while ago
I was going to say - that does not look like a S55 in the M2 CSL design study. Looks and sounds like an N55.
@@kaymdoc N55? What is that thing?
@@purwantiallan5089 N55 is the codename for BMW engine it was a 3 litre straight 6 engine with 365 hp in M2, it precedes B58(im not sure) and was used in the 'regular' M2 and the M2 comp and CS used the S55 I6 engine
Even the color is based on the longbeach blue which is the OG M2 color
I’m surprised the V8 CSL has an SMG BMW was really committed to that transmission
It also blows my mind that they can do a V8 or even a V10 in that engine bay that S54 I6 was so big 😂
It was the fastest transmission in the world at the time
S54 l6 is like you said is an l6, they are long engines. u generally speaking make both V8s/V10s close in length. the width is the real issue
The SMG is a really great system. It came directly out of their F1 cars. It's old now but even today, I love driving mine
On bmws channel they say it has dct
@@andyfreeman6865 SMG is not a great system, its decent at best^
good god that front end is still just painful to look at four and a half years on from the first spy shot.
After watching a done up version race at the Rolex 24, it kinda grew on me. The base model grille looks awful but if you replaced them with what the race car had it would be a lot cooler.
I think I’m one of the few that didn’t find the M4CSL front grille not as bad as how the M3 G80 looked like in the launch. And I still find the G80 M3 ugly
@@jaedanb the M3 CSL looked quite cheap to ride.
@@BrunoGDC M4 CSL looked like a scaled down M1 Procar in my opinion...
I understand that companies need to shake up their designs every once in a while and freshen things up. This new blocky angular design language from bmw is not fresh. It’s obnoxious and rotten. It’s like every terrible car design trend right now has conglomerated into the monstrosity that is bmw design currently.
As time goes on, designs should age well. This new grille I think has actually started to look WORSE.
The engine in the M2 CSL is the N55b30, which is totally different than the S55B30 (share with the M3/M4) found in the M2 CS.
The N55 could not go into production after 2019 as it no longer matched the emission standards being a design from 2011, so the S55 was chosen instead.
true , there are plenty of sources that leaked that the CSL was in the works. People who got their M2 Comp in 2019 , saw behind their licence plates and it said F87 CS . The current M2 CS was supposed to be the CSL. thanks god it didnt , we need back seats and a manual box !
Imagine being a journalist and not knowing what engine is in front of you…….
I'm confused about that M2 CSL. That's clearly an M2 Comp body, but that's VERY clearly an N55 M2 engine bay. Not just the engine either. It also lacks the carbon brace from the M2 Comp.
yes this!
Spot on there boss… noticed it as soon as he popped the bonnet. Certainly not the S55 from the comp. Not that it matters for that particular car.
Like he said. It was merely a design study. They weren't really focusing on the mechanical aspects at that point.
Yup noticed that as well...really weird
The coolest part is that the s54 and s62 have similar ecu architecture and pinouts so its actually pretty easy to swap a s62 into an e46 m3 and most everything works.
I’ve always wondered if you could get the SMG to work connected to an S62 (specifically in an E39 M5) an evil plan but as we see here, it’s at least been done at the manufacturer level.
wonder how the weight ratio would be with that engine swap tho
@@oni5909 s62 is full aluminum block vs the s54s iron block. they weigh about the same fully dressed but the s62 is shorter and sits further back in the engine bay
oohh ok i see
The m2 csl looked like it had the n55 engine. They look completely different to the s55 engine in m3. Also the m3 had two intake box’s.
The definitely an n55 engine
Not denying that the e46 m3 is a dream. The only thing that would have made that better is a e46 m3 csl touring 😁
It's deffo an N55 engine. The M2 CS had an S55, same as the M3.
Looks like it could be the that blue the king from lightning mcqueen lol
Everyone knows that the original M3 CSL had only one circle air intake, but when I saw the one Ollie uncovered, it had two. I knew it was different.
BMW's M series is works of art in every way ❤️ 🏁
The most important CSL ever made but never sadly released was the E60 M5 CSL. A one off factory with a 5.5L S85 making about 585hp mated with the beefed up smooth M-DCT dual clutch transmission instead of the slower SMG. It was the E60 M5 we should have had.
Smg is actually faster than DCT and lighter. The only reason why Bmw moved away from smg is because too many people complaining about smg being too jerky and a bit hard to use on daily basis in city. Smg is actually better once you know how to use it. I have both. Smg in E60 M5 and DCT in F10 M5. F10 M5 lack the emotion and fun factor but a very sophisticated car that’s more of a chair and a rocket put together . F1 used smg transmission not DCT but then imagine try to drive F1 in city.
@@The_North0 you are so clueless I don't know where to begin correcting you from. Dct is about 19Ms smg takes 60ms.
And do you really think bmw was gonna put a slower transmission on their CSL models? 🤦♂️ I have E60 m5 too but you're just biased.
All M235i owners noticed the N55 and tried to figure out how bmw themselves would get 480hp out of it
OG M2 owners noticed the N55 as well :)
It’s not hard to get 480hp out of a n55
He's referring to the eventual production car, that was just a mock up.
they would just slap a bigger turbo on it
@@wasdwasdwwasd if aftermarket manufactures can get the n55 to 480 easily i dont see why BMW M division wont be able to figure it out if they wanted too.
This has got to be the highest quality video I’ve watched on my iPhone in a while, this frame rate is wonderful, props to the editor
The 1M is a perfect example of how well a skunk works project can do when championed by an enthusiast (Dr. Kay Segler) and ignoring bean counters. If you build them, they will sell.
Great video! thanks Ollie!
This is a stunning video. The quality is amazing.
that e46 looks awesome
Hartge did build around 20 H50 with M5 S62 V8. Most if not all were also with 6 speed manual. They also put M5 S85 V10 into same period 3 series and Z4.
Great video, only mistake is the F87 M2 CSL that engine is the N55 (the one from the original M2).
I assume for the design study they just took a M2 LCI (the facelift of the original before they switched to comp) and fitted a comp nose to it
1:47 My heart rate just spiked ... and then again at 3:12
What a fantastic memories with the "ordinary" M3 e46 I have. Best car I ever had.
E46 M3 and F87 M2 is the best looking BMW's ever designed in my opinion. The arches and bodylines is just perfect.
Excellent!
that M2 csl would probably be the best drivers car realesed this millenium, with 1m and m3 e46, but this m2 is actually brutal and not just a baby m
Facts
Yes those are right up there with the best drivers car but the best, idk about that especially when there was a 997 RS 4.0 or 991 911R.
@@Amarjit_Singh yeah i know, i would put speciale and also scudderia and some gt3's etc.. but these are definatelly more fun to drive, been riding m2 and its briliant and the most fun car
@@kratomujbrno242 Definitely, the Scuderia first and then the Speciale.
i love the ducktail spoiler on the M4 CSL
This new top gear feels like watching a discovery channel.
This video is crazy, what a brand bmw is!
Beautiful vehicles
Crazy how good looking the 2 Series once was. Wow did BMW ruin the last good car it made.
Oh man the m2 csl looks so good. I’m gonna go steal it tonight
1:26 "I call it... Mercy."
First saw the E46 CSL in Gran Turismo 4. Lovely car
That V8 CSL looks like a nightmare to work on. Love it though.
That E46 😍. My favorite BMW ever.
Imagine if BMW built the E60 M5 CSL? 👀
Why is no one talking about the fact that the S62 was mated to 6MT only and that E46 has an SMG transmission
Can only imagine how much fun this combo would have been. That was always my one bug with the E39 M5, the clutch was good but was difficult to get a good launch with without either massive wheel spin or bogging down.
Thank you BMW This is why this is my favourite brand!!!
thumbnail shows all 4 cars including the two which were kept hidden in this video
Man that V8 E46 is sooooo clean
I never thought that I could have such vitriolic feelings at the snap of a finger but that what felt when he paired the cars down, 😆.
M3 CSL V8? YES, PLEASE! That'd be awesome!
That blue on that cls maaaaan its always the proto cars that are the most gorgeous cars you'll never see lol
My two cars are a 2005 e46 M3 and a 2016 F22 M235i, so obviously I'm drooling
I love both those cars, I wish I could have bought them
Reminds me of the Gone in 60 Seconds warehouse. 😉
Buck toothed bunny look is still a shocker ☹️
That M2 is GLORIOUS !!
I would like to see their other prototypes.
Love seeing these skunkworks undercover projects though !
Actually the display CSL displays a N55. A S55 featured in the M3/M4 has a different layout and setup of the charge pipes and intakes.
5:52 that drift tho
That E46 CSL also has dual reflector headlights which you don’t see all that often
e60 m5 csl is my favorite prototype
ohh yess, v8 e46 m3.. The PERFECT CAR!
6:22 anyone have any idea as to who they’re talking about with having a problem with the naming convention “M2 GTS”? Seems pretty reasonable considering the M4 GTS from years ago around the same time.
@FW25 Probably Porsche. Macan GTS, Taycan GTS, 911 Carrera GTS...
I think I saw an E60 M5 at the background… if they actually had a CSL version of that monster V10 it would’ve been a very desirable collectible car today ….
Bmw dropped another beast❤
2:44 what are all those in the background?
Crazy how big the M2 CSL is in comparison to the E46 M3
The M3 CSL is my dream car.
I'm going to need an M car one of these days
E46
back in the days you could buy an E46 with that M5 V8 engine. It was called Hartge H50
I had a E46 M3 it's still a proper weapon. It's just 200 years old...
This cars deserved Chris Harris. That would've been much better
take the csl badge of that e46. that straight 6 with the carbon intake is best sounding engine ever
Any idea when will be able to see test drives of the new M4 csl?
The ultimate BMW that never was, imo, an M2 GTS. I feel BMW picked the wrong car to do a GTS version. They chose the M4 but if they had done an M2 GTS instead (or as well) then that would have been a proper track weapon, more so than the large and heavy M4 or the M2 CS.
I also think it was a crying shame that they didn't do an E31 M8. I know that two or so exist, but they never went into production. An E31 M8 would have been the Concorde of the automotive 90's.
“This car has done 10,000 kilometers, it’s been USED”!!! Lol all of us regular folk… 😂
Frontsplitter and Side Wings on the M2 CSL are M Performance Parts and Not only for the study..
BMW M power 💥
i wish i could buy the cage used in the M2 CSL for my M235i, with the OEM rear seat delete, too . i can only imagine how rigid it feels .
I think that safety is important and one should use double-protection technologies, such as Oreol Staking!
finally the true M3 from Most Wanted 2005 :')
What an interesting video Sam STG from the future
Damn that e46 with the m5 v8 is a great car, no one would buy an m5 if they could get the e46 with m5 engine
“This should have never made it to production” …. I’m sorry, are you sitting here telling us that nobody wants to drive a V8?
The M2 CSL you have shown doesn’t share its engine with the M3/4. The one you have shown has an N55, the M3/4 has the S55.
M2 CSL had an N55 in it - maybe it was the special edition prototyped for the OG M2 before the Comp and eventually CS.
3:20 - Lightning Mc Queeeen
Kachow
Am going to order 1
That V8 in the e46 is a clear indicator of their intentions for the e92.
Uh the M2 CSL there uses the N55 from the original M2 and M235i. Seems like since it was a design study they didn't bother using the S55 from the M3/4 and M2CS.
The latest version of Car Trek has Tyler Hoover driving an E30 with a 4.0 V8 and 6 speed
The old CSL looks so much better, especially that front.
Great
was the e46 with an s62 backed by an smg trans?
It's crazy how tall and not planted the m2 looks compared to e46
So fair question, here. Was that S62 powered E46 M3 CSL essentially a test mule for the E46 M3 GTR then?
That M2 CSL looks almost Laguna Seca Blue
i wish the v8 e46 m3 csl released
An m2 gts model would’ve been super cool to see in production
OOOOIIIIIII wheres part two???
When's part 2 coming out? 😫
6:25 was he talking about mercedes with the amg gts? Weird since it’s not like they were the first people to use that terminology.
This all but confirms my suspicions that they're going to do something super special for the next gen m2, which is supposedly the very last pure ICE M car ever
emphasis on "supposedly" have you seen what Porsche has been doing will fully synthetic fuel for ICEs? Not to mention the over a $Billion Dollar investment in the development of synthetic fuels
What’s funny is that M2 CSL has an N55 Engine, and due to Emission regulations BMW was forced to choose the S55 instead.
What makes it amusing that had it not been for regulations, The M2 would still of had the N55 engine, simply better M Modified, it shows that the N55 was more than Theatrics and sound. I still enjoy the sound of the M2 Comp and CS, But the N55 just sounds amazing.
I which they simply popped the B58 on the M2 Comp and CS simply better internals and crank the power and Torque to make a better version of the B58, which in its current state it is.
A B58 M2 would be a monster and sound amazing, M Tuned, it would faster and more powerful than the S variants
Working at BMW UK you get you see all kinds of prototypes in the workshops. There is actually a secured car park which you can see from google earth thats full of rare BMW's. Just sat outside in the British weather.
Do you have the postcode so I can put it into google earth
Who remembers the BMW M3 GTR Race Car? Believe it or not, they even made road car versions of that too, E46 M3 with a racing V8 engine that was road legal! I believe they only made 10 road legal M3 GTRs.
BMW also has an interesting variant.
The good old BMWs 💔
M2 is legit tho 🔥