Based on photos I assumed that Nasser won, but there's some good footage on youtube and it's clear that Nasser was really soft, not just in the back but everywhere. Whereas Dorian, despite his worsening lines, was rock-hard and as usual light-years ahead in the back.
That's the key, pictures have Nasser winning by a mile. But the video, which is closer to what the judges would have seen brings new life to Dorian's physique. I still feel Nasser should have won, but I understand the decision.
The actual HD video of Dorian posing in this Olympia makes him look a whole lot better than these still pics. He looks way dryer and grainier in the video than in these pics.
The video has Dorian winning, the pics don't. You have to see Dorian in motion with his insane conditioning to understand this victory. Still, with one arm basically torn to shreds, can't blame anyone that says he should have lost. He hid it very well in his posing, but that front double biceps shot is worse than Chris Dickerson.
It's the same story with Dorian.. lots of guys can beat him from the front in a pose here n there but he always dominates from behind and usually steals side tricep and front lat spread...he's so conditioned that even when he loses a pose he's not dominated...great game plan with the injury
@@josephohrablo4866you know back then bodybuilders didn’t have big delts like todays bodybuilders, so you have to judge arnold to his competition. Arnolds glaring weakness was his thighs. His calves weren’t great early on but he improved them quite a bit as he progressed. Again, RELATIVE to 70’s bodybuilders.
@@gogz1981 really ? Surge nubret had much better delts then Arnold . So did Roger walker so did Roy callender , so did Sergio Olivia . Arnold just had very weak rear and side delts . He was all front delts . He also had weak triceps and hamstrings. Are we going down the list of what he was missing and make a list of excuses why each one was weak ?
Dorian's injuries really only ever affected poses that he always lost in anyways. He still had the Side Triceps, Front Lat Spread, Rear Lat Spread, and Rear Double Biceps, and that was enough. He didn't need his arms to win.
exactly, the primary takeaway is that his bad arm only affected one such pose which was the front double, his back far overweighs his arms in the rear double, and he always posed his good tricep for this year
My Score Front Relaxed - Tie (Dorian superior lats and wider, Nasser better conditioning and presentation) Rear Relaxed - Dorian, not even close FDB - Nasser, not even close FLS - Tie (Dorian superior lats and wider, Nasser better conditioning and presentation) Side Chest - Nasser with the slight edge Side Tricep - Dorian with the slight edge RLS - Dorian, not even close BDB - Dorian, not even close A&T - Nasser slight edge MM - Nasser I imagine wins, as this is never a strong pose for dorian and Nasser has the better arms due to the injury So 6-6, a tie. In the event of a tie, the current Mr. Olympia will always win, Nasser was not robbed, he looked incredible and put out his best.
TheLusianPopa I’d say side tricep is close, Nasser is smoking him in the midsection and his triceps are close to Dorian. Dorians biggest strength in that pose is his execution. Side chest isn’t close in my opinion, don’t know how you see that
No bro Nasser deserved the title in 1997 Dorian should have been disqualified for how terrible he looked, and he should have only been allowed to guest pose😤
In fact look at these threads by dorianites forums.musculardevelopment.com/forum/md-bodybuilding-forums/no-bull/155709-did-dorian-yates-deserved-1997-olympia/page6
Nasser was overall soft when compared to Dorian. Though he had better arms and abs . It was Dorian dominating him in every pose.. many shots he lacked separation between pecs and biceps... Hate me for this. But that's the truth.. the glutes, thickness in his back, thickness in the lats, better legs and calves...
Calves yes, but legs for sure goes to nasser, little bit bigger, more seperated, also dorian has torn the left quad too and it was visible in some poses
I understand, it is close. But somehow, when you look at Dorian's side triceps pose, you just can't look away, it is so monumental... Others just strike a pose, but Yates is somehow turning into granite statue.
@@massive1979 It's was his structure, both skeletal and muscular, which allowed him to hit that how he did. Every real time pose in bodybuilding is judged top to bottom. Dorian's torso to leg proportion was amazing. He looked compact, powerful, balanced and thoroughly relaxed when he hit the side tricep in his prime.
Years later but agree, 7:17 Dorian obliterates in glutes and hamstrings. Its side tri and his tri is much bigger. Even his chest shows a little better. Only loses in bicep size and shoulder separation. And that could just be posing angles. He knew exactly how to maximize every pose.
I’ve always thought Dorien was just DOMINATING during his reign, but come on! It’s impossible to legit be superior to’97 Nasser while standing there with only 1/3 of a bicep and an hgh gut. Meanwhile Nasser is being INCREDIBLE and sporting an 8 pack.💪🏻🤘🏻
you only say that because you are a clueless kid who knows NOTHING about bodybuilding, the bicep is a single muscle, and a tiny one for that matter, bodybuiding is judged by POSES and NOT by individual body parts, and the torn bicep only really affects the the Front Double Biceps, which is only 1 pose out of 7. So lets say Nasser demolished Dorian in the Front double, well... Dorian made nasser look like a soft out of shape man on BOTH the back shots where the bicep is barely noticeable, Dorian won the side tricep AND the Front Lat Spread without a shadow of a doubt, the Abs and Thighs is very close, we can say that is a Tie, and finally nasser barely beats Dorian in the side chest, so 2 poses to Nasser, 1 tie and 4 poses to Dorian, and if we consider that Dorian was overal MUCH MUCH harder, with better muscle separation and overall conditioning which was light years ahead of Nasser's, it is a no brainer that Dorian wins. So yeah, you can win an Olympia with a poor bicep, or any bad body part for that matter, just like Jay won with a Shitty waist and shitty lower back and Ronnie won with a terrible side tricep and terrible abs, because they were so great everywhere else that they still managed to win. So yes, you can win with a bad biceps IF you know the slightest thing about bodybuilding, which you don't. If you care so much about biceps go to instagram and follow those Fitness models that say "brah" all the time, that is your place, not bodybuilding videos.
@@davidward5225 so what you have been training since 1996? That means nothing, that is a common fallacy amongst those who don't know how to use arguments. That is an Argument from authority fallacy, just because some mathematician believes 2+2=Fish, it doesn't make it true, similarly, you can claim that you train since 1996 and that you are an expert, but that does not mean anything, because your belief that somebody can't win Mr Olympia just because of a weak body part is still incorrect from a bodybuilding standpoint.
A robbery big time. I think Nasser stomped Dorian even in the front lat spread this year. Wider structure, smaller waist, better V-taper, more defined abs, a better chest, and way better quads. The pose is about the v-taper afterall, and Nasser had the better one. The less complete man won.
@@nukeboy4939 you only say that because you are a clueless kid who knows NOTHING about bodybuilding, the bicep is a single muscle, and a tiny one for that matter, bodybuiding is judged by POSES and NOT by individual body parts, and the torn bicep only really affects the the Front Double Biceps, which is only 1 pose out of 7. So lets say Nasser demolished Dorian in the Front double, well... Dorian made nasser look like a soft out of shape man on BOTH the back shots where the bicep is barely noticeable, Dorian won the side tricep AND the Front Lat Spread without a shadow of a doubt, the Abs and Thighs is very close, we can say that is a Tie, and finally nasser barely beats Dorian in the side chest, so 2 poses to Nasser, 1 tie and 4 poses to Dorian, and if we consider that Dorian was overal MUCH MUCH harder, with better muscle separation and overall conditioning which was light years ahead of Nasser's, it is a no brainer that Dorian wins. So yeah, you can win an Olympia with a poor bicep, or any bad body part for that matter, just like Jay won with a Shitty waist and shitty lower back and Ronnie won with a terrible side tricep and terrible abs, because they were so great everywhere else that they still managed to win. So yes, you can win with a bad biceps IF you know the slightest thing about bodybuilding, which you don't. If you care so much about biceps go to instagram and follow those Fitness models that say "brah" all the time, that is your place, not bodybuilding videos.
Dude please don't assume I'm some kid Nasser was more complete bodybuilder on that day and as usual the judges were biased towards the champ because he past victories ain't no way hell Dorian should've won with a bloated stomach and one damn arm get it outta here!
I hate to disappoint people but Dorian won this show by a mile. Even though this was Nasser's best showing, Nasser was way too soft compared to Dorian. Yes Dorian had a torn tricep and a torn hip, but his conditioning was still spot on. One thing a lot of people don't mention is that this year was the year that Dorian's back was absolutely his biggest. Dorian would still win Back Double, Real Lat spread, Side Tricep, Front lat spread. That's 4/7 (most muscular wasn't counted back then). Nasser's big issue was that he would always come in too heavy. If he would have came in at 250-260 then there might have been a different outcome...its really difficult to say. The thing about dorian is that there isn't a video a picture or a magazine print that does him any justice. The best representation of dorian would be those black and white stills taken in 93' and just to mention this was also 3 WEEKS out from the olympia. You really had to see dorian in person to understand how dominant he was back then. His conditioning/dryness was just out of this world. The best comparison i can make is how a good version of dexter jackson has those grainy looking shoulders. Dorian had that grainy look EVERYWHERE on his body but not only that he had more divots within the muscle bellies making it look even more grainy than dexter. Even though Dorian was really falling apart at this stage in his career, he still had the olympia on lock. Yes horrible structure, but that Thick Dense muscle looks way more impressive in person than it ever does on video. There will never be another dorian yates. Branch Warren gets compared to Dorian quite a bit, but i think a 97' Dorian was would beat a 2009 branch warren. You might think im crazy or a Dorian fanboy, but you had to be there to see it in person. It was a night and day difference compared to this video.
@@sonyx4500 Dorian was winning back double bicep, rear lat spread, front lat spread, side tricep by a mile, that is 4/7 poses. I was there, Nasser wasn't even close to having the separation Dorian had. Pics never do dorian any justice.
Symmetry - draw Front double Bi - Nasser Front lat spread - Dorian Side Chest - Nasser Side Tricep - Nasser Rear lat spread - Dorian Rear Double Bi - Dorian Ab and thigh - Nasser Most muscular - Nasser Winner Nasser
Amazingly he improved his back and lats every year, No one even close in these departments in 90's. But till 97, he lost both biceps and one triceps. Chest and Legs became too weak comparing his prime. He had always blocky waist but Growth Harmones finally caused him ugly Nasty bloated stomach. This Bloated stomach and powerful Lats are exposing more of his teared biceps, triceps, weak Chest and weak legs in front poses. This bloated Stomach is also exposing more his weak arms, chest and legs in quarter turn poses, From back poses, There is GOAT back development but nothing else special. May be he is the only one in Olympia contest history who hides his biceps completely in BDB pose. Every thing else missing like beauty of flow, Aesthetic, balance, symmetry and proportions. Must not be in top 3, Greatest day light robbery
Aside from the difference of being there in person vs. pictures, if it's true that Nasser used synthol, the cheater should be DQ'd automatically anyway.
No no no! Bullshit! Nasser deserved the sandow even if Dorian Yates had superior conditioning he was a mess and was missing a bicep, a tricep, arms in general, lacked quad separation and sweep, had mediocre conditioning that wasn't as good as his previously preformances, and had a distended midsection. Dorian did deserved the rear lat spread and won it convincingly and he also tool the back double bicep, other than that Nasser wins everything else even and front lat spread. And Dorian loses the side tricep because Nassers side leg was bigger and his midsection was tighter than Dorian's, ehile Dorians stomach was sticking out farther than his chest in the side tri. Plus Dorian's tricep itself was never no matter what as big as Nasser's. Nasser was robbed in 1997 and Dorian Yates was far from his best was the worst shape of his career. He didn't even deserved 2nd 3rd 4th because Shawn, Lee, and Kevin all looked better than Dorian in 1997. They all had no injuries or torn muscles at that time and all looked great. Dorian in 97 looked really similar to Ronnie in 2007 both the previous Champs had torn muscles and were past their primes only Ronnie was out of the top 3 and really should have been no higher than 5th place and the same should have happened to Dorian. No one can convince me otherwise that Dorian won, Nasser deserved the title in 1997. These should have been the real placings 1st Nasser El Sombaty 2nd Shawn Ray 3rd Kevin Levrone 4th Lee Priest 5th Dorian Yates 6th Jaun Pierre Fux Love you though Dorian your one of the greatest ever and your legacy will never be forgotten we love you man. Your a legend ✌🏼🙌🏼👍🏼💪🏼
@TheLusianPopa you know I made this comment a year ago and my eye for Bodybuilding and my knowledge on Bodybuilding is alot better now so all I'm going to say is these should have been the real placings... 1st Nasser El Sombaty 2nd Shawn Ray 3rd Kevin Levrone 4th Lee Priest 5th Dorian Yates 6th Jaun Pierre Fux
@TheLusianPopa now that's your opinion but even yourself will admit Nasser was beating Dorian in alot of poses too and it was at least close so giving Dorian a perfect score of 5 in 1997 was Bullshit and everyone knew it Shawn Ray even said Dorian could come in a wheelchair and still win the show as a joke mocking the horrible and probably biased judging in 1997
You can't give Dorian the front lat spread because 'it's about lats'.....but then say 'the rear bicep isn't about biceps it's about traps'. That"s Nasser's pose the rear bicep. People blame Dorian for bubble guts but that's total bollocks. This was the only time he really showed a distended abdomen. I'm a huge Dorianite but you can't turn up with a missing bicep and a distended gut and win on dry conditioning alone. As much as I revere the fella, he shouldn't have been in the top three in '97. The fact is by that time he'd had bicep, tricep and rotator cuff injuries and was struggling to keep a genetically blocky mid-section tight. He's said in interviews that he and the IFBB knew it was gonna be his last show.....the judges gave it him as a farewell present
Nasser looks great from a muscle beach perspective. His posing was rubbish though compared to Dorian. It looks like a muscular man (Nasser) taking a posing lesson from a professional (Dorian). As such, Dorian still edges it by 10% or so
Thank you Marx Max Muscle! That is why you are my favorite channel! While everybody else jumps to conclusions judging only those idiotic pics of BAD ANGLES for dorian, and completely IGNORE the videos showing how amazing Dorian looked, how mindblowing his conditioning and hardness was, and the photos that had Dorian and Nasser in a similar angle which clearly showed Dorian winning more poses unlike those unfair photos that had Dorian in a weird angle, YOU my friend only care about facts, and the FACT is Dorian won the 97 Olympia. And those who think otherwise are lazy haters that ignore the great footage and pictures of dorian that clearly prove Dorian was superior to Nasser even in 97.
Omg you had me rolling at pickle in your juice 😂! If we could snap our fingers and change history, I would have had Dorian skip this years Olympia, get that arm repaired and come back the following year for his final win and cement his legacy rather than go out with this controversy. But that said Olympia’s are won with backs and pose for pose even with that torn bicep I had Dorian winning on points also. Sure wish he could bottle that conditioning formula though, maybe it was just genetics but that rock hard grainy look was awesome . Taking nothing away from Nasser though RIP.
Nope. You can't repair that arm. That's why Dorian retired. In '98 he announced he retires for good because recuperation after surgeries did not come as he hoped.
I don't think this version of Dorian actually wins the fls, st and bdb. The arms had deteriorated too much and he did no longer have the shape he used to have in the fls, his waist too blocky, his delts arms and pecs never being amazing but at this point it actually disturbed his flow and Nasser was much better in that regard and it comes into play in all those poses + at this point his back was getting more asymmetric than ever in the bdb. With more recent judging in the IFBB they should basically come out and admit this show was a travesty because it was.
You should do a top 6 comparison from 1997 i think that would favour nasser much more and thats how Bodybuilding Shows work its not just a 1vs1 there is a whole line up
I can understand an argument made for Dorian when following 90’s bodybuilding criteria. I just find it weird that a competition called the Mr. Olympia could reward a body with such glaring flaws, Nasser’s physique was so much more balanced and overall less flawed. This is all just my opinion of course, not fact
best opinion I take all the poses into account and I realize Dorian doesn’t look bad in all of them, but in multiple shots his gut sticks out further than his chest and his injured arm is glaring.
It’s extremely close between Nasser and Dorian. A case could be made for either guy if that torn bicep on Dorian really bugs you and you feel that it alone was enough to give the victory to Nasser, especially since Nasser wasn’t missing any body parts of his own. He came in to ‘97 Olympia extremely well balanced with excellent conditioning. However, if Dorian’s torn bicep is NOT a huge deal for you, since it arguably only ruined one mandatory pose: (namely, the front double bicep pose), then I could see you feeling like Dorian’s win was justified, as Dorian’s conditioning and graininess are absolutely in a league of their own. Additionally, Dorian’s front lat spread is peerless, and Dorian would also win the back poses, too. That being said, Dorian was one of only a handful of pro bodybuilders who could get away with an entire body part missing and still win the Sandow, even if the 2nd place finisher looked phenomenal themself. Dorian, Ronnie, Phil, Haney, and Arnold are probably the only guys in the history of the sport who could pull something like that off, and they happen to also be the 5 GOATs of the sport having won 36 of the 57 total Sandow’s given in the history of the sport (63%). Nasser unfortunately, just like Kevin Levrone, Shawn Ray, & Flex Wheeler, competed at the exact same time as a guy who had the freakiest, densest, paper thin-skinned physique the bodybuilding world had ever seen up to that point in the sport’s history.
That bicep tear and triceps tear didn’t just make his arms look smaller. It threw off his symmetry, which threw off his aesthetics, and Dorian’s body is all out of proportion. On top of that he had a gut which really hurts him because of that wide waist.. he had way too many flaws. A Mr. Olympia should not have any flaws. Dorian in ‘97 had glaring flaws. Imo, Dorian did not deserve 1 place or 2nd place that year.
Are you familiar with scoring system? Those are not perfect scores, dude.
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that moment when you don't even know what a perfect score is in bodybuilding but decide to act smart on the internet. Perfect score means that every judge had Yates at 1st place. If at least 1 (one) judge didn't have Yates at 1st but 2nd or 3rd or whatever place, he would NOT have perfect score. As simple as that. Perfect score=every judge has you winning the show
Dj_M1 lmao imagine trying to be edgy and completely failing. A perfect score in bodybuilding is a 5 on a scale that goes to 10 and how a judge thinks you rank isn’t the only factor that goes into that.
massive1979 yes I am and Dorian scored a 5 which is a perfect score. The 97 Mr.O was controversial because of that exact reason: Yates won with perfect scores despite his torn biceps.
Only a biased Dorian hater would give Nasser the front double over Dorian. Look at how big Dorians arms are, and that v taper is just too tier. Yes there is some asymmetry in the arms, but that torn bicep gives him a bit more of a peak. I'm sorry I just can't do this very much longer. I almost never give Dorian the front double, and this is just terrible. His arms are just gone, and he never had a good v taper
I like your videos but saying Dorian beats Nasser in 97 is just WRONG. Dorian was deteriorated, not just with arms but his midsection was out of control.
Being a big Dorian fan its always a hard watch seeing him in the '97 Mr Olympia from the front as he looks dreadful. He still beats Nasser from the back but I was surprised he competed in 1997 because not only did he have a damaged left bicep that he had injured a few times he now had a injured a tricep tendon and he didnt train 3 weeks prior to the contest because of the tricep injury. It was not Dorian in 1997.
The front relaxed… bruh. Yeah Dorian’s lats flare out more - Nasser kills him with chest size arm size and look at the quads - nobody seems to mention Dorian’s quads 1997 - it seemed like he lost a lot of size through the quads. His teardrops look huge here because the rest of his quads shrunk 🤷♂️
Dorian’s shrivelled arms actually help his front lat spread - Big arms cover up part of the lats, otherwise guys like Ronnie Coleman would have looked better
If we just focus on the madatories: FDB - Nasser, not even close FLS - Close, but it objectively goes to Dorian. Better/thicker lats, better conditioning, arms don't matter here, thighs still big and strong, freaky calves. Nasser does have better pecs and he's more conditioned, but not enough to knock the champ Abs and thighs - really close. I'd give it to Nasser, it's not that he necessarily looks more aesthetic, he has a bit better waist, plus he's not narrow in the lats Back poses - Dorian, easy. Side chest - really close again. Dorian shows more conditioning, thinner skin in the quads, better thigh sweep. Nasser's pecs are fuller bit it seems that he has some oil in his rear delts. Pick your winner. Side tricep - really close again. Dorian's midsection is sticking out more in some pics than the others, depends on the angle. Let's keep it real, he has better triceps there and better comditioning. Pick your winner So no, '97 wasn't a robbery, Nasser didn't do enough to knock the champ. Also, that delt is really suspicious...
It is good to see that some people understand that pro bodybuilding contests are based on a specific judging criteria. Based on this criteria, Nasser lost this Olympia fair and square. If this was strictly a beach body contest, Dorian certainly wins the title for participation only if we match him with all the more "aesthetic" contenders.
BULLSHIT! Nasse had bigger pecs, bigger biceps and more detailed abs. But Dorian does win in some other muscle groups except pecs, biceps and abs. Its close, but Dorian should have lost due to distended mid section and only having one arm depite the fact that Dorian was better in some of the other poses whilst Nasser in turn was better in some other poses.
@@fiz0746 I did not said about Side Chest. AT goes to Dorian. Better V shape, better mass on torso. Here you can see the weak point of Nasser - big ribbon cage but small muscles on torso aka pectorals and back Bdb to Nasser is a joke. Back is the weak point of Nasser by any angle. And Dorian dominates on lower back and traps too. Is full back package. But at the end of the day is about the final pose. Dorian has deep freaky cuts not only more mass.
I never thought Nasser was robbed at all. It was a close contest and it could have gone either way. And pictures never tell the whole story. Dorian's stage presence was just phenomenal and so was his conditioning. Even at his worst he was one of the best bodybuilders of all time. All kudos to Nasser though. It was close. PS: Sure that torn bicep should have taken the win away but other than that... I think Yates won this one.
Remember Dorian wasnt able to train for the last 3 weeks before that show, and still won fair and square, and its incredible how he still managed to win being at his 80% really, maybe 85%. I hope this videos helps all the ignorants that claim that nasser should have won, i love nasser but c'mon, this is clear.
6:23 and 7:19. Look how smooth Nasser's side delt is. He probably had some synthol in there by then. Dorian did enough to win, by the numbers....one pose at a time.
It was just Nasser badmouthing for years about this. He repeated it so much how he was robbed that people finally started to believe it. There's no way Nasser's conditioning was Yates' level. Nasser became a bitter man after the contest... started calling Yates "Backzilla" in his every blog post... I actually felt sorry for him.
The Egyptian curse: Nasser(from Egypt) robbed in 1997, Big Ramy(from Egypt) robbed in 2017, Iskandar(from Egypt) robbed in 2037 I know it has nothing to do with Egypt as a country, IFBB politics...……..
A comment that hasn’t aged well at all haha. It was out of date at the time you posted it. Judging standards evolve over time, but since 2018 those changes are a step in the right direction. This is reflected in many many IFBB contest results. Also Congrats Big Ramy 2020 Mr. Olympia!
Nobody who saw Dorian on stage thinks that this man could lose, only what they see photos to compare. Even his classmates of the time say so. If in some front poses he did not look so dominant by his arms, all doubt disappeared in his back poses. Not to mention that in that 97 nasser had many synthol muscles, a fraud.
I watched the video of Dorian Yates posing at this Mr. Olympia. He was crisp, conditioned, shredded, and incredibly proportioned. The photos are extremely misleading. This sport is highly subjective. I think the judges look for the level of conditioning in combination with proportion, muscular separation, and size. Dorian Yates' consistency throughout his bodybuilding career is one of the reasons the judges judged him as they did. He competed injured, and despite this still came in overwhelmingly conditioned. He deserved to win. The 1998, that one was controversial.
Thank you ,Thank you so much for being so objective...................I was fed up of people saying dorian lost pose per pose and in conditioning too to nasser. If competitions are judged pose per pose ( which they say they do) Dorian is winning this. I know some people would say nasser is winning in side triceps and even question in front lat spread ,they are ignoring the grainy hard conditioning of dorian especially in the legs.In front lat lats and in side triceps triceps are too much for nasser. But I understand if people say that based on just frount double dorian should not have won(but that's not how bodybuiding competetions are judged)
I don't agree that the difference in conditioning could bypass the difference in size in ST and SC. Besides the second Dorian's ST picture is out of scale, while in the first ST shot they stood side by side, and it is shown how weak actually was Dorian's tricep. Besides, I don't see how Dorian could have won the A&T, Nasser having better abs and legs. Dorian's legs were melting, lacking in size, and muscle separation compared these of Nasser, and this effected all the front poses. Thus it could be debatable Dorian winning the FLS, because his overall lack of muscle separation. Nasser physique was way more complete from the side and from the front. Dorian muscles appeared very "fuzzy" and his evident dominance from the back shouldn't have been enough to win him the Sandow in 1997
The most muscular is influential though to judging, it shows all aspects to a conditioned physique imo. Wouldn't u say marx max muscle, otherwise they wouldn't even do the most muscular, have a vote on the most popular pose in bb, that would be pretty cool, i bet it would get a lot of views.
Crazy how open class contestants don't have calves anymore ? They just completely abandon it to turn into a stump , nick 5'7 Hadi 5'7 Derek 5'6 (maybe) enough already . If you were to see those three in person you would be disappointed , they are as wide as they are tall .
The fact that not even Nasser could beat Dorian at his worst shows the judges were biased, there's just no question about it now, maybe some bad arguments could be made why Kevin lost in 94,95 and 96 that hold a little water, but no argument at all can be made for why Nasser lost. Both Nasser and Kevin were robbed at least 1 victory, and in my opinion Kevin was robbed 2.
Dorian tore his triceps muscle this year. He torn his biceps 💪🏻 before the 1994 Olympia. So it wasn’t just his biceps that year it was the fact he really didn’t have a left arm period being that n his left arm he had a torn biceps and triceps. I saw a interview with Dorian saying the torn triceps is what ended his career.
@@fiz0746 I agree I think Dorian would of beat Ronnie in 98 but I think not past 1998 . Ronnie was coming on strong and eventually would of beat Dorian if he had continued to compete.
Both stand side to side that year, you dont need to put this kind of photos cause in the original photos nasser looks more bigger, taller and sheddrer than Dorian
A hen woman, a lady of the night.. freshen your drink for ya govenor? a little pickle in your juice?.. I almost choked to death on my coffee! Hilarious!
It is true man, that decision back in 97 was a massive robbery! But whats done its done, so no worth crying about it now, lol This is similar to '81 when Columbu won and he was the weakest of all top 10
I must admit, always thought Nasser should’ve won, but seeing it like this pose for pose.......Yates’ back sure goes a long way. It could’ve gone either way, but don’t think Nasser was robbed.
Yates weak point: Armless and with a horrible abs Weakness Nasser: Back without much definition In my opinion, aesthetics, size, proportion Nasser should have won, I only see Nasser losing to Dorian in the Dorsal region and low back ...
Damn, I don't normally comment but this one bothers me. Dorian has the conditioning and lats, but that's where it ends. Nasser had all the front shots imo. I also give Nasser both rears. First the rear double bi, Dorian has no biceps so no way I can give him this one and I also give Nasser the rear lats because his symmetry was mirroresque. I couldn't help but just being focused on all of Dorian's weakness in every pose rather than Nasser just impressing with symmetry and a great mid section. I believe he was robbed of a deserving title here.
Dorian said himself that not only did Nasser beat him in the front double, everyone else on stage did.
Based on photos I assumed that Nasser won, but there's some good footage on youtube and it's clear that Nasser was really soft, not just in the back but everywhere. Whereas Dorian, despite his worsening lines, was rock-hard and as usual light-years ahead in the back.
That's the key, pictures have Nasser winning by a mile. But the video, which is closer to what the judges would have seen brings new life to Dorian's physique. I still feel Nasser should have won, but I understand the decision.
Dorian was pretty soft in 97 brah....
Olympias are won from the back, and Dorian also took the side tricep, ab and thigh, and front lat spread, not a robbery, Dorian won fair and square
@@Ledgic-TM I just don't see it in his 97 self....
Dorians worst year 1997.
Didn't train 3 weeks prior to this and had issues with his diet.
Think his tricep tore
Starving kids in Africa could've eaten that insulin gut
the world hunger can resolved forever with Dave Pulambo's gut
just imagine what Dorian could have looked like had he not injured his tricep a few weeks before the olympia
The actual HD video of Dorian posing in this Olympia makes him look a whole lot better than these still pics. He looks way dryer and grainier in the video than in these pics.
Low quality video makes everyone look grainy
@@redwarrior118 No not everyone
@@redwarrior118 Many have said Dorian was much sharper in person at this show.
The video has Dorian winning, the pics don't. You have to see Dorian in motion with his insane conditioning to understand this victory. Still, with one arm basically torn to shreds, can't blame anyone that says he should have lost. He hid it very well in his posing, but that front double biceps shot is worse than Chris Dickerson.
Have to give credit to dorian for still coming in conditioned even with a torn arm...
"Conditioned" he was getting softer by 97, maybe even by 96....
@@NeonAnimeDreams compared to everyone else, he was conditioned
@@Ledgic-TM lol😅
It's the same story with Dorian.. lots of guys can beat him from the front in a pose here n there but he always dominates from behind and usually steals side tricep and front lat spread...he's so conditioned that even when he loses a pose he's not dominated...great game plan with the injury
You can't be missing an arm and be a serious contender in a bodybuilding competition unless it's fixed.
@@edwardwright2989Arnold won 7 with missing Legs , back , triceps and shoulders
@@josephohrablo4866you know back then bodybuilders didn’t have big delts like todays bodybuilders, so you have to judge arnold to his competition. Arnolds glaring weakness was his thighs. His calves weren’t great early on but he improved them quite a bit as he progressed. Again, RELATIVE to 70’s bodybuilders.
@@gogz1981 really ? Surge nubret had much better delts then Arnold . So did Roger walker so did Roy callender , so did Sergio Olivia . Arnold just had very weak rear and side delts . He was all front delts . He also had weak triceps and hamstrings. Are we going down the list of what he was missing and make a list of excuses why each one was weak ?
" freshen your drink for ya governor? " 🤣
Dorian's injuries really only ever affected poses that he always lost in anyways. He still had the Side Triceps, Front Lat Spread, Rear Lat Spread, and Rear Double Biceps, and that was enough. He didn't need his arms to win.
exactly, the primary takeaway is that his bad arm only affected one such pose which was the front double, his back far overweighs his arms in the rear double, and he always posed his good tricep for this year
My Score
Front Relaxed - Tie (Dorian superior lats and wider, Nasser better conditioning and presentation)
Rear Relaxed - Dorian, not even close
FDB - Nasser, not even close
FLS - Tie (Dorian superior lats and wider, Nasser better conditioning and presentation)
Side Chest - Nasser with the slight edge
Side Tricep - Dorian with the slight edge
RLS - Dorian, not even close
BDB - Dorian, not even close
A&T - Nasser slight edge
MM - Nasser I imagine wins, as this is never a strong pose for dorian and Nasser has the better arms due to the injury
So 6-6, a tie. In the event of a tie, the current Mr. Olympia will always win, Nasser was not robbed, he looked incredible and put out his best.
I don't know how you can give Dorian the side tricep when his gut sticks out further than his chest
I know right? They always seem to ignore that.
He's a biased
@Pro life only no Phil Heath had biggest gut and lill bitch Dorian had no tricep and bicep
TheLusianPopa Nasser doesn’t have much of a gut in that shot especially compared to Dorian.
TheLusianPopa I’d say side tricep is close, Nasser is smoking him in the midsection and his triceps are close to Dorian. Dorians biggest strength in that pose is his execution. Side chest isn’t close in my opinion, don’t know how you see that
Don't let the Dorianites intimidate you, Marx Max. Stay strong and true to yourself. Speak truth to power!
@Pro life only
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No bro Nasser deserved the title in 1997 Dorian should have been disqualified for how terrible he looked, and he should have only been allowed to guest pose😤
Every major populations usually have good and sh*t people. This includes lots if not all countries, religions, dorianites, ronnians, even arnie fans
In fact look at these threads by dorianites
forums.musculardevelopment.com/forum/md-bodybuilding-forums/no-bull/155709-did-dorian-yates-deserved-1997-olympia/page6
Nasser was overall soft when compared to Dorian. Though he had better arms and abs . It was Dorian dominating him in every pose.. many shots he lacked separation between pecs and biceps... Hate me for this. But that's the truth.. the glutes, thickness in his back, thickness in the lats, better legs and calves...
Calves yes, but legs for sure goes to nasser, little bit bigger, more seperated, also dorian has torn the left quad too and it was visible in some poses
Dorian him self said it was very very close and he also said nasser was much much better in some poses and it's not even debatable his own words
@@pawelkrowalski3730 Ronnie Colman: nasser was better
Jay cutler : nasser was better
finally-someone speaks the truth... Always agreed with this
British humour had me LOL
Ya pretty funny. He’s a weirdo.
He’s Canadian
I don't think Dorian wins the side tricep
Youre not alone. It's glaring.
I understand, it is close. But somehow, when you look at Dorian's side triceps pose, you just can't look away, it is so monumental... Others just strike a pose, but Yates is somehow turning into granite statue.
massive1979 he knew how to pose better than anyone. That’s how he’s win poses with weaker or injured muscles
@@massive1979 It's was his structure, both skeletal and muscular, which allowed him to hit that how he did. Every real time pose in bodybuilding is judged top to bottom. Dorian's torso to leg proportion was amazing. He looked compact, powerful, balanced and thoroughly relaxed when he hit the side tricep in his prime.
Years later but agree, 7:17 Dorian obliterates in glutes and hamstrings. Its side tri and his tri is much bigger. Even his chest shows a little better. Only loses in bicep size and shoulder separation.
And that could just be posing angles. He knew exactly how to maximize every pose.
I’ve always thought Dorien was just DOMINATING during his reign, but come on! It’s impossible to legit be superior to’97 Nasser while standing there with only 1/3 of a bicep and an hgh gut. Meanwhile Nasser is being INCREDIBLE and sporting an 8 pack.💪🏻🤘🏻
You can’t win an Olympia with that bicep. And Dorian always had poor biceps.
@Pro life only in 1998 besides the gyno all of what said he did not have that year
you only say that because you are a clueless kid who knows NOTHING about bodybuilding, the bicep is a single muscle, and a tiny one for that matter, bodybuiding is judged by POSES and NOT by individual body parts, and the torn bicep only really affects the the Front Double Biceps, which is only 1 pose out of 7. So lets say Nasser demolished Dorian in the Front double, well... Dorian made nasser look like a soft out of shape man on BOTH the back shots where the bicep is barely noticeable, Dorian won the side tricep AND the Front Lat Spread without a shadow of a doubt, the Abs and Thighs is very close, we can say that is a Tie, and finally nasser barely beats Dorian in the side chest, so 2 poses to Nasser, 1 tie and 4 poses to Dorian, and if we consider that Dorian was overal MUCH MUCH harder, with better muscle separation and overall conditioning which was light years ahead of Nasser's, it is a no brainer that Dorian wins. So yeah, you can win an Olympia with a poor bicep, or any bad body part for that matter, just like Jay won with a Shitty waist and shitty lower back and Ronnie won with a terrible side tricep and terrible abs, because they were so great everywhere else that they still managed to win. So yes, you can win with a bad biceps IF you know the slightest thing about bodybuilding, which you don't. If you care so much about biceps go to instagram and follow those Fitness models that say "brah" all the time, that is your place, not bodybuilding videos.
Really, I’ve been training since 1966. How old are you?
@@davidward5225 so what you have been training since 1996? That means nothing, that is a common fallacy amongst those who don't know how to use arguments. That is an Argument from authority fallacy, just because some mathematician believes 2+2=Fish, it doesn't make it true, similarly, you can claim that you train since 1996 and that you are an expert, but that does not mean anything, because your belief that somebody can't win Mr Olympia just because of a weak body part is still incorrect from a bodybuilding standpoint.
Shit biceps shit triceps shit abs shit arms shit chest
A robbery big time. I think Nasser stomped Dorian even in the front lat spread this year. Wider structure, smaller waist, better V-taper, more defined abs, a better chest, and way better quads. The pose is about the v-taper afterall, and Nasser had the better one. The less complete man won.
Also, Nasser had better biceps.
did you see the video??? go get your eyes checked if you did. SMH
@@stannjob yes I saw the full video dorian yates great back but shit arms shit biceps shit triceps shit abs shit chest
Nasser won, you shouldn't be able to win an Olympia with just your back and no biceps or triceps.
says who?
Say the people who are not bias towards the previous champ.
@@nukeboy4939 you only say that because you are a clueless kid who knows NOTHING about bodybuilding, the bicep is a single muscle, and a tiny one for that matter, bodybuiding is judged by POSES and NOT by individual body parts, and the torn bicep only really affects the the Front Double Biceps, which is only 1 pose out of 7. So lets say Nasser demolished Dorian in the Front double, well... Dorian made nasser look like a soft out of shape man on BOTH the back shots where the bicep is barely noticeable, Dorian won the side tricep AND the Front Lat Spread without a shadow of a doubt, the Abs and Thighs is very close, we can say that is a Tie, and finally nasser barely beats Dorian in the side chest, so 2 poses to Nasser, 1 tie and 4 poses to Dorian, and if we consider that Dorian was overal MUCH MUCH harder, with better muscle separation and overall conditioning which was light years ahead of Nasser's, it is a no brainer that Dorian wins. So yeah, you can win an Olympia with a poor bicep, or any bad body part for that matter, just like Jay won with a Shitty waist and shitty lower back and Ronnie won with a terrible side tricep and terrible abs, because they were so great everywhere else that they still managed to win. So yes, you can win with a bad biceps IF you know the slightest thing about bodybuilding, which you don't. If you care so much about biceps go to instagram and follow those Fitness models that say "brah" all the time, that is your place, not bodybuilding videos.
Dude please don't assume I'm some kid Nasser was more complete bodybuilder on that day and as usual the judges were biased towards the champ because he past victories ain't no way hell Dorian should've won with a bloated stomach and one damn arm get it outta here!
@@urielperet9442 Nasser more conditioned overall any legs, chest, you could've went to Nasser also.
I hate to disappoint people but Dorian won this show by a mile. Even though this was Nasser's best showing, Nasser was way too soft compared to Dorian. Yes Dorian had a torn tricep and a torn hip, but his conditioning was still spot on. One thing a lot of people don't mention is that this year was the year that Dorian's back was absolutely his biggest. Dorian would still win Back Double, Real Lat spread, Side Tricep, Front lat spread. That's 4/7 (most muscular wasn't counted back then). Nasser's big issue was that he would always come in too heavy. If he would have came in at 250-260 then there might have been a different outcome...its really difficult to say. The thing about dorian is that there isn't a video a picture or a magazine print that does him any justice. The best representation of dorian would be those black and white stills taken in 93' and just to mention this was also 3 WEEKS out from the olympia. You really had to see dorian in person to understand how dominant he was back then. His conditioning/dryness was just out of this world. The best comparison i can make is how a good version of dexter jackson has those grainy looking shoulders. Dorian had that grainy look EVERYWHERE on his body but not only that he had more divots within the muscle bellies making it look even more grainy than dexter. Even though Dorian was really falling apart at this stage in his career, he still had the olympia on lock. Yes horrible structure, but that Thick Dense muscle looks way more impressive in person than it ever does on video. There will never be another dorian yates. Branch Warren gets compared to Dorian quite a bit, but i think a 97' Dorian was would beat a 2009 branch warren. You might think im crazy or a Dorian fanboy, but you had to be there to see it in person. It was a night and day difference compared to this video.
Nasser was better conditioned here at 0:47. Better abs, arms, shoulders and legs. Only the back alone was better than Nasser.
@@sonyx4500 Dorian was winning back double bicep, rear lat spread, front lat spread, side tricep by a mile, that is 4/7 poses. I was there, Nasser wasn't even close to having the separation Dorian had. Pics never do dorian any justice.
Symmetry - draw
Front double Bi - Nasser
Front lat spread - Dorian
Side Chest - Nasser
Side Tricep - Nasser
Rear lat spread - Dorian
Rear Double Bi - Dorian
Ab and thigh - Nasser
Most muscular - Nasser
Winner Nasser
Did they start using insulin in '95?
Amazingly he improved his back and lats every year, No one even close in these departments in 90's.
But till 97, he lost both biceps and one triceps.
Chest and Legs became too weak comparing his prime.
He had always blocky waist but Growth Harmones finally caused him ugly Nasty bloated stomach.
This Bloated stomach and powerful Lats are exposing more of his teared biceps, triceps, weak Chest and weak legs in front poses.
This bloated Stomach is also exposing more his weak arms, chest and legs in quarter turn poses,
From back poses, There is GOAT back development but nothing else special.
May be he is the only one in Olympia contest history who hides his biceps completely in BDB pose.
Every thing else missing like beauty of flow, Aesthetic, balance, symmetry and proportions.
Must not be in top 3, Greatest day light robbery
Aside from the difference of being there in person vs. pictures, if it's true that Nasser used synthol, the cheater should be DQ'd automatically anyway.
WTF are you talking about ? ❌
anyone with justice and manliness knows that Nasser deserved to win .
The photos dont do Dorian justice. Watch his posing routine and it just shows how amazing he still looked this year. Still deserved the win
1997 is ablack year of bodybuilding
One arm Mr Olympia?
No no no! Bullshit! Nasser deserved the sandow even if Dorian Yates had superior conditioning he was a mess and was missing a bicep, a tricep, arms in general, lacked quad separation and sweep, had mediocre conditioning that wasn't as good as his previously preformances, and had a distended midsection. Dorian did deserved the rear lat spread and won it convincingly and he also tool the back double bicep, other than that Nasser wins everything else even and front lat spread. And Dorian loses the side tricep because Nassers side leg was bigger and his midsection was tighter than Dorian's, ehile Dorians stomach was sticking out farther than his chest in the side tri. Plus Dorian's tricep itself was never no matter what as big as Nasser's. Nasser was robbed in 1997 and Dorian Yates was far from his best was the worst shape of his career. He didn't even deserved 2nd 3rd 4th because Shawn, Lee, and Kevin all looked better than Dorian in 1997. They all had no injuries or torn muscles at that time and all looked great. Dorian in 97 looked really similar to Ronnie in 2007 both the previous Champs had torn muscles and were past their primes only Ronnie was out of the top 3 and really should have been no higher than 5th place and the same should have happened to Dorian. No one can convince me otherwise that Dorian won, Nasser deserved the title in 1997.
These should have been the real placings
1st Nasser El Sombaty
2nd Shawn Ray
3rd Kevin Levrone
4th Lee Priest
5th Dorian Yates
6th Jaun Pierre Fux
Love you though Dorian your one of the greatest ever and your legacy will never be forgotten we love you man. Your a legend ✌🏼🙌🏼👍🏼💪🏼
@TheLusianPopa Mr. Dorianite himself what can I say
@TheLusianPopa you know I made this comment a year ago and my eye for Bodybuilding and my knowledge on Bodybuilding is alot better now so all I'm going to say is these should have been the real placings...
1st Nasser El Sombaty
2nd Shawn Ray
3rd Kevin Levrone
4th Lee Priest
5th Dorian Yates
6th Jaun Pierre Fux
@TheLusianPopa I updated by comment btw look at it now 👍
@TheLusianPopa read the new comment
@TheLusianPopa now that's your opinion but even yourself will admit Nasser was beating Dorian in alot of poses too and it was at least close so giving Dorian a perfect score of 5 in 1997 was Bullshit and everyone knew it Shawn Ray even said Dorian could come in a wheelchair and still win the show as a joke mocking the horrible and probably biased judging in 1997
You can't give Dorian the front lat spread because 'it's about lats'.....but then say 'the rear bicep isn't about biceps it's about traps'. That"s Nasser's pose the rear bicep.
People blame Dorian for bubble guts but that's total bollocks. This was the only time he really showed a distended abdomen.
I'm a huge Dorianite but you can't turn up with a missing bicep and a distended gut and win on dry conditioning alone. As much as I revere the fella, he shouldn't have been in the top three in '97.
The fact is by that time he'd had bicep, tricep and rotator cuff injuries and was struggling to keep a genetically blocky mid-section tight. He's said in interviews that he and the IFBB knew it was gonna be his last show.....the judges gave it him as a farewell present
I hope even the most devoted Dorian fan's can admit that this was a gift
Pro life only lol you’re delusional
@Pro life only so basically you're one of those Dorian knights he was talking about
@Pro life only umm no my favorite bodybuilder is actually arnold but thanks for proving my point
@Pro life only what the hell are you even talking about? It's a fact that Dorian was melted this year
@@onelesslonelymemer5863 Bro this dorianite can't be reasoned with. Just give up on him lol
They marked Nasser down for his eyes, supposedly. They weren't symmetrical. Not my words. The judges supposedly said it
Nasser looks great from a muscle beach perspective. His posing was rubbish though compared to Dorian. It looks like a muscular man (Nasser) taking a posing lesson from a professional (Dorian). As such, Dorian still edges it by 10% or so
Thank you Marx Max Muscle! That is why you are my favorite channel! While everybody else jumps to conclusions judging only those idiotic pics of BAD ANGLES for dorian, and completely IGNORE the videos showing how amazing Dorian looked, how mindblowing his conditioning and hardness was, and the photos that had Dorian and Nasser in a similar angle which clearly showed Dorian winning more poses unlike those unfair photos that had Dorian in a weird angle, YOU my friend only care about facts, and the FACT is Dorian won the 97 Olympia. And those who think otherwise are lazy haters that ignore the great footage and pictures of dorian that clearly prove Dorian was superior to Nasser even in 97.
Torn muscles
Shit arms shit chest
This was the biggest robbery in history of mr Olympia
In 97 nasser was 1 million time better than dorian yates
@@legendarykiller3605 I hereby send you to the island of misfit fans. Be gone toolshed
Omg you had me rolling at pickle in your juice 😂! If we could snap our fingers and change history, I would have had Dorian skip this years Olympia, get that arm repaired and come back the following year for his final win and cement his legacy rather than go out with this controversy. But that said Olympia’s are won with backs and pose for pose even with that torn bicep I had Dorian winning on points also. Sure wish he could bottle that conditioning formula though, maybe it was just genetics but that rock hard grainy look was awesome . Taking nothing away from Nasser though RIP.
Stfu bitch. Who tf said Olympiad are won cuz of back are you a clown of what. Dorians is 3 month pregnant here and his arms are shit
Gladiator Gaming Samir, Haney, Dorian, Ronnie, Phil all were so dominant because of their back development stupid
Nope. You can't repair that arm. That's why Dorian retired. In '98 he announced he retires for good because recuperation after surgeries did not come as he hoped.
I don't think this version of Dorian actually wins the fls, st and bdb. The arms had deteriorated too much and he did no longer have the shape he used to have in the fls, his waist too blocky, his delts arms and pecs never being amazing but at this point it actually disturbed his flow and Nasser was much better in that regard and it comes into play in all those poses + at this point his back was getting more asymmetric than ever in the bdb.
With more recent judging in the IFBB they should basically come out and admit this show was a travesty because it was.
You should do a top 6 comparison from 1997 i think that would favour nasser much more and thats how Bodybuilding Shows work its not just a 1vs1 there is a whole line up
@TheLusianPopa 1997 was Kevins best year. What are you smoking?
Main reason why i keep watching your vids. Because of your humour. Hahaha keep doin it man
I can understand an argument made for Dorian when following 90’s bodybuilding criteria. I just find it weird that a competition called the Mr. Olympia could reward a body with such glaring flaws, Nasser’s physique was so much more balanced and overall less flawed. This is all just my opinion of course, not fact
You judge one relaxing pose, that's why.
best opinion I take all the poses into account and I realize Dorian doesn’t look bad in all of them, but in multiple shots his gut sticks out further than his chest and his injured arm is glaring.
It’s extremely close between Nasser and Dorian. A case could be made for either guy if that torn bicep on Dorian really bugs you and you feel that it alone was enough to give the victory to Nasser, especially since Nasser wasn’t missing any body parts of his own. He came in to ‘97 Olympia extremely well balanced with excellent conditioning. However, if Dorian’s torn bicep is NOT a huge deal for you, since it arguably only ruined one mandatory pose: (namely, the front double bicep pose), then I could see you feeling like Dorian’s win was justified, as Dorian’s conditioning and graininess are absolutely in a league of their own. Additionally, Dorian’s front lat spread is peerless, and Dorian would also win the back poses, too. That being said, Dorian was one of only a handful of pro bodybuilders who could get away with an entire body part missing and still win the Sandow, even if the 2nd place finisher looked phenomenal themself. Dorian, Ronnie, Phil, Haney, and Arnold are probably the only guys in the history of the sport who could pull something like that off, and they happen to also be the 5 GOATs of the sport having won 36 of the 57 total Sandow’s given in the history of the sport (63%). Nasser unfortunately, just like Kevin Levrone, Shawn Ray, & Flex Wheeler, competed at the exact same time as a guy who had the freakiest, densest, paper thin-skinned physique the bodybuilding world had ever seen up to that point in the sport’s history.
That bicep tear and triceps tear didn’t just make his arms look smaller. It threw off his symmetry, which threw off his aesthetics, and Dorian’s body is all out of proportion. On top of that he had a gut which really hurts him because of that wide waist.. he had way too many flaws.
A Mr. Olympia should not have any flaws. Dorian in ‘97 had glaring flaws. Imo, Dorian did not deserve 1 place or 2nd place that year.
I will susbcribe only because you are among the few who really admit that Dorian won fair and straight here. Cheeers!
Dorian won this contest with perfect scores. Absolutely pathetic in my opinion.
Are you familiar with scoring system? Those are not perfect scores, dude.
that moment when you don't even know what a perfect score is in bodybuilding but decide to act smart on the internet. Perfect score means that every judge had Yates at 1st place. If at least 1 (one) judge didn't have Yates at 1st but 2nd or 3rd or whatever place, he would NOT have perfect score. As simple as that. Perfect score=every judge has you winning the show
Dj_M1 lmao imagine trying to be edgy and completely failing. A perfect score in bodybuilding is a 5 on a scale that goes to 10 and how a judge thinks you rank isn’t the only factor that goes into that.
Dj_M1 the 97 Mr.O was controversial exactly because of that reason: Yates won with perfect scores despite a torn bicep.
massive1979 yes I am and Dorian scored a 5 which is a perfect score. The 97 Mr.O was controversial because of that exact reason: Yates won with perfect scores despite his torn biceps.
Unfair, Dorian got advantage from judges because Nasser was outspoken about use of steroids in Bodybuilding.
Unfair because nassar lost? Like wtf does talking about steroids have to do with your physique not looking as good?
Only a biased Dorian hater would give Nasser the front double over Dorian. Look at how big Dorians arms are, and that v taper is just too tier. Yes there is some asymmetry in the arms, but that torn bicep gives him a bit more of a peak.
I'm sorry I just can't do this very much longer. I almost never give Dorian the front double, and this is just terrible. His arms are just gone, and he never had a good v taper
I like your videos but saying Dorian beats Nasser in 97 is just WRONG. Dorian was deteriorated, not just with arms but his midsection was out of control.
I wouldn’t want to be a judge in that contest. I couldn’t decide
Both were crazy outstanding
Being a big Dorian fan its always a hard watch seeing him in the '97 Mr Olympia from the front as he looks dreadful. He still beats Nasser from the back but I was surprised he competed in 1997 because not only did he have a damaged left bicep that he had injured a few times he now had a injured a tricep tendon and he didnt train 3 weeks prior to the contest because of the tricep injury. It was not Dorian in 1997.
Still, he looked dominant in his signature poses as usual. Nasser looked good but he just cant touch Dorian when it comes to the mandatory poses.
dorian teared the tendons of both biceps? and then even the triceps too?
The front relaxed… bruh. Yeah Dorian’s lats flare out more - Nasser kills him with chest size arm size and look at the quads - nobody seems to mention Dorian’s quads 1997 - it seemed like he lost a lot of size through the quads. His teardrops look huge here because the rest of his quads shrunk 🤷♂️
Dorian’s shrivelled arms actually help his front lat spread - Big arms cover up part of the lats, otherwise guys like Ronnie Coleman would have looked better
Dorian was gifted here.
If we just focus on the madatories:
FDB - Nasser, not even close
FLS - Close, but it objectively goes to Dorian. Better/thicker lats, better conditioning, arms don't matter here, thighs still big and strong, freaky calves. Nasser does have better pecs and he's more conditioned, but not enough to knock the champ
Abs and thighs - really close. I'd give it to Nasser, it's not that he necessarily looks more aesthetic, he has a bit better waist, plus he's not narrow in the lats
Back poses - Dorian, easy.
Side chest - really close again. Dorian shows more conditioning, thinner skin in the quads, better thigh sweep. Nasser's pecs are fuller bit it seems that he has some oil in his rear delts. Pick your winner.
Side tricep - really close again. Dorian's midsection is sticking out more in some pics than the others, depends on the angle. Let's keep it real, he has better triceps there and better comditioning. Pick your winner
So no, '97 wasn't a robbery, Nasser didn't do enough to knock the champ. Also, that delt is really suspicious...
It is good to see that some people understand that pro bodybuilding contests are based on a specific judging criteria. Based on this criteria, Nasser lost this Olympia fair and square. If this was strictly a beach body contest, Dorian certainly wins the title for participation only if we match him with all the more "aesthetic" contenders.
BULLSHIT!
Nasse had bigger pecs, bigger biceps and more detailed abs.
But Dorian does win in some other muscle groups except pecs, biceps and abs.
Its close, but Dorian should have lost due to distended mid section and only having one arm depite the fact that Dorian was better in some of the other poses whilst Nasser in turn was better in some other poses.
@@shaunigothictv1003 Well, Nasser also had a worse conditioning and he had a significantly worse back. He didn't win enough poses.
It's a championship of referee shame
Neither of these guys looks good. If we're honest, though, Sonbaty wins on his teeth alone.
Great teeth
Your nuts saying Dorian is the winner here lol...he wins back lat spread and back double bi that’s it!
Pictures dont show everything, watch the videos and your like holy shit Dorian Yates rightfully won the 97 mr.o
lol no
@@donkbox7317 lol
FLS, BLS, BDB, ST, AT - Dorian.
If you look only at FDB, then yes, Nasses is the uncrowned Mr O '97.
AT goes to Nasser side chest goes to Nasser too. BDB goes again to Nasser. Dorian had only lats so yah. Only lats can't win the other parts.
@@fiz0746 I did not said about Side Chest.
AT goes to Dorian. Better V shape, better mass on torso. Here you can see the weak point of Nasser - big ribbon cage but small muscles on torso aka pectorals and back
Bdb to Nasser is a joke. Back is the weak point of Nasser by any angle. And Dorian dominates on lower back and traps too. Is full back package. But at the end of the day is about the final pose. Dorian has deep freaky cuts not only more mass.
I never thought Nasser was robbed at all. It was a close contest and it could have gone either way. And pictures never tell the whole story. Dorian's stage presence was just phenomenal and so was his conditioning. Even at his worst he was one of the best bodybuilders of all time. All kudos to Nasser though. It was close. PS: Sure that torn bicep should have taken the win away but other than that... I think Yates won this one.
Remember Dorian wasnt able to train for the last 3 weeks before that show, and still won fair and square, and its incredible how he still managed to win being at his 80% really, maybe 85%. I hope this videos helps all the ignorants that claim that nasser should have won, i love nasser but c'mon, this is clear.
Shit biceps shit triceps shit abs shit arms shit chest
And you call it fair win 🤨
@@legendarykiller3605 you dont compare muscle by muscle dude. You compare poses and the execution.
Yeah, a torn biceps was not enough to outshadow Dorian Yates
bro there no that hardcore dorian fans on your channel, you dont have to mention the dorianites so often pleaseXD
Dorianite spotted xD
6:23 and 7:19. Look how smooth Nasser's side delt is. He probably had some synthol in there by then. Dorian did enough to win, by the numbers....one pose at a time.
"Things of that nature", your catch phrase.
Oh my soul
What foolishness
Every one talks about dorian back OK he got better back but abs? Legs? Chest? Size? Common its was a joke
Biggest robbery in the history of mr Olympia
I think the side tricep pose should be removed to be honest, its just an illusion since all bodybuilders push their arm against their backs.
Nasser the best
Naw
It was just Nasser badmouthing for years about this. He repeated it so much how he was robbed that people finally started to believe it. There's no way Nasser's conditioning was Yates' level. Nasser became a bitter man after the contest... started calling Yates "Backzilla" in his every blog post... I actually felt sorry for him.
The Egyptian curse: Nasser(from Egypt) robbed in 1997, Big Ramy(from Egypt) robbed in 2017, Iskandar(from Egypt) robbed in 2037
I know it has nothing to do with Egypt as a country, IFBB politics...……..
A comment that hasn’t aged well at all haha. It was out of date at the time you posted it. Judging standards evolve over time, but since 2018 those changes are a step in the right direction. This is reflected in many many IFBB contest results. Also Congrats Big Ramy 2020 Mr. Olympia!
Nobody who saw Dorian on stage thinks that this man could lose, only what they see photos to compare. Even his classmates of the time say so. If in some front poses he did not look so dominant by his arms, all doubt disappeared in his back poses. Not to mention that in that 97 nasser had many synthol muscles, a fraud.
I watched the video of Dorian Yates posing at this Mr. Olympia. He was crisp, conditioned, shredded, and incredibly proportioned. The photos are extremely misleading. This sport is highly subjective. I think the judges look for the level of conditioning in combination with proportion, muscular separation, and size. Dorian Yates' consistency throughout his bodybuilding career is one of the reasons the judges judged him as they did. He competed injured, and despite this still came in overwhelmingly conditioned. He deserved to win. The 1998, that one was controversial.
Dorian looked like he belonged in a hospital. Imo nobody should win a MR O looking like that but Dorian made him look like an amateur from the back.
Dorians back was not symmetrical in 97 especially when viewed from the back double bicep pose
Nasser > Dorian. They are close, but Dorian missing a bicep is the key loss.
If you dont have a visable abs you cant be mr Olympia the point is to by muscular and with abs cant reward someone with clear flaws cough cough biceps
HE WON ON POINTS from dominating most of the mandatories
3.36 notice the bubble gut at the back??
:) its Fux. He had a bigger gut and a bigger back than Yates
Thank you ,Thank you so much for being so objective...................I was fed up of people saying dorian lost pose per pose and in conditioning too to nasser.
If competitions are judged pose per pose ( which they say they do) Dorian is winning this.
I know some people would say nasser is winning in side triceps and even question in front lat spread ,they are ignoring the grainy hard conditioning of dorian especially in the legs.In front lat lats and in side triceps triceps are too much for nasser.
But I understand if people say that based on just frount double dorian should not have won(but that's not how bodybuiding competetions are judged)
I don't agree that the difference in conditioning could bypass the difference in size in ST and SC. Besides the second Dorian's ST picture is out of scale, while in the first ST shot they stood side by side, and it is shown how weak actually was Dorian's tricep.
Besides, I don't see how Dorian could have won the A&T, Nasser having better abs and legs. Dorian's legs were melting, lacking in size, and muscle separation compared these of Nasser, and this effected all the front poses. Thus it could be debatable Dorian winning the FLS, because his overall lack of muscle separation. Nasser physique was way more complete from the side and from the front. Dorian muscles appeared very "fuzzy" and his evident dominance from the back shouldn't have been enough to win him the Sandow in 1997
7:41 nasser beats dorian easyyy, dorians gut is hugee his pecs are small, only thing that dorian takes is forearm.
Nasser had bigger forearms than Dorian.
Pramit Biswas are you stupid??
@TheLusianPopa see Nasser's forearms here ruclips.net/video/5fJt9cmZUPE/видео.html
@@kodakwhite1696 see Nasser's forearms here ruclips.net/video/5fJt9cmZUPE/видео.html
I'd like to see 97 Ronnie Coleman against 97 Dorian?
@TheLusianPoparonnie was at his worst in 01 Cutler should’ve won
The most muscular is influential though to judging, it shows all aspects to a conditioned physique imo. Wouldn't u say marx max muscle, otherwise they wouldn't even do the most muscular, have a vote on the most popular pose in bb, that would be pretty cool, i bet it would get a lot of views.
not when it doesnt favor the man with the political edge. After 94 we all seen Dorian had that edge for sure.
Crazy how open class contestants don't have calves anymore ? They just completely abandon it to turn into a stump , nick 5'7 Hadi 5'7 Derek 5'6 (maybe) enough already . If you were to see those three in person you would be disappointed , they are as wide as they are tall .
The fact that not even Nasser could beat Dorian at his worst shows the judges were biased, there's just no question about it now, maybe some bad arguments could be made why Kevin lost in 94,95 and 96 that hold a little water, but no argument at all can be made for why Nasser lost.
Both Nasser and Kevin were robbed at least 1 victory, and in my opinion Kevin was robbed 2.
Dorian tore his triceps muscle this year. He torn his biceps 💪🏻 before the 1994 Olympia. So it wasn’t just his biceps that year it was the fact he really didn’t have a left arm period being that n his left arm he had a torn biceps and triceps. I saw a interview with Dorian saying the torn triceps is what ended his career.
Exactly.. I am astonished he didn't talk about the triceps injury that made Dorians left arm totally deformed and small..
That is a very sad ending of a career. I'm sure that he would destroy Ronnie without his injuries etc and etc.
@@fiz0746 I agree I think Dorian would of beat Ronnie in 98 but I think not past 1998 . Ronnie was coming on strong and eventually would of beat Dorian if he had continued to compete.
@@1968jpy Don't forget the internal bleeding he got from painkiller overpredcription. What an horrible experience.
@@giganticitalianbodybuildin1584 oh yeah I read about that you’re correct 👍🏻
You mister will become a great One! Keep up the good work.
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Thank you for this. Dorian is the goat
When you walk in dark corners of London at 2 a.m and meet a lady of the night 11:42
If they did the most muscular, it would have been a tie though right?
Watch the videos and it becomes clear why Yates won in the end.
Both stand side to side that year, you dont need to put this kind of photos cause in the original photos nasser looks more bigger, taller and sheddrer than Dorian
Nasser’s back shot has him rounded forward. Had he pulled back by like Dorian, he’d look much better. More water in Nasser’s back for sure however
A hen woman, a lady of the night.. freshen your drink for ya govenor? a little pickle in your juice?.. I almost choked to death on my coffee! Hilarious!
Are you always not speaking about the semetrics? except the back, nasser do win all other poses...you sound a little biased about this
Cbum just won the Olympia with a torn bicep as well
Dorian beat him on conditioning and lower back development...Nasser was better at everything else
It is true man, that decision back in 97 was a massive robbery!
But whats done its done, so no worth crying about it now, lol
This is similar to '81 when Columbu won and he was the weakest of all top 10
I must admit, always thought Nasser should’ve won, but seeing it like this pose for pose.......Yates’ back sure goes a long way. It could’ve gone either way, but don’t think Nasser was robbed.
Yates weak point: Armless and with a horrible abs
Weakness Nasser: Back without much definition
In my opinion, aesthetics, size, proportion Nasser should have won, I only see Nasser losing to Dorian in the Dorsal region and low back ...
Damn, I don't normally comment but this one bothers me. Dorian has the conditioning and lats, but that's where it ends. Nasser had all the front shots imo. I also give Nasser both rears. First the rear double bi, Dorian has no biceps so no way I can give him this one and I also give Nasser the rear lats because his symmetry was mirroresque. I couldn't help but just being focused on all of Dorian's weakness in every pose rather than Nasser just impressing with symmetry and a great mid section. I believe he was robbed of a deserving title here.
Cancel the 1997 Mr. Olympia atleast.....from the record.
Dorian Yates the bodybuilder with the worst arms of all times.
And one of the ugliest physiques of all times aswell
Dave Palumbo is the nicest guy but with the worst physique of all time.
No wonder he never got his pro card.