@@Robert_E Leica and Lumix who share the same lens mount on full frame and Leica has worked with Panasonic for years so they're similar in some aspects
@@Robert_E Yeah, I've also seen the video you're referring to. I'll be honest, getting super techy isn't my thing - there are people way smarter than me that can do a much better job of presenting that kind of info. Thanks for the suggestion though! What I will say is that, for me, the build quality of this camera is what sets it apart from anything else I've ever tested. Still not sure if that alone justifies the price though.
Your comparison is utterly stupid. Rolex watch is a high quality timepiece which is setting standards in the industry. It is literally the best value for money in the $7000-8000 range.
I've only ever shot raw with them, but all SLs have had good contrast and colour without any changes in post. They really need very little to be usable.
Yeah I dont get when people talk about having “color science”. Like if ure any close to being a profesional in the field youre shooting raw and editing. Youre gonna be applying your own presets of a style u like anyways. Very few people that own a Leica would just take a jpeg and post it as it is. I suppose if you do want to shoot jpeg without actually editing Fuji is the closest thing u can get to that.
@@Omgiamsotriggered and in addition to that you can always use a color card and calibrate your camera. That should give you superior colors if you want „real“ colors.
@@altgr5063 buddy cards are for color temperature. "Color science" aka the specific set of settings a camera brand applies to the raw data is comprised of many settings like saturation of each color, shadows and highlights treatment, contrast, etc.
As the owner of a rather large collection of cameras, including Nikon, Fuji film, Sony, canon, Hasselblad, and of course, Leica. Let me tell you, a Leica is not a camera for beginners. The only reason you should get a Leica is if you want to step up your photography game. They are not simple and intuitive, especially if you shoot SLR or analog (film photography). Btw: if you ever do buy a Leica: get an older film camera, trust me it’s worth learning.
@@mmzer8651 Leicas are unforgiving cameras. They don’t just have a point and shoot mode, or even a programmed mode on some models. They are difficult to get right. That said, they have amazing hardware and are some of the most capable cameras on the market. If it can be captured in a photo, a Leica can do it. You really just need to know what you’re doing with exposure, stops, framing, focus, etc. That’s why I don’t recommend them for beginners. If you’re ready to take amazing photos and know what you’re doing, by all means purchase one.
@@SimplyV3rna I have many cameras for different occasions. Fuji for portraits (my daily is an X-H2), Hasselblad and my analog cameras for vintage photography, Sony for airshows (I’m a pilot), and then the Nikon/canon I rarely use (mostly loner cameras for friends). They all serve a purpose
@@major-Mihailo-Madzarevic but actually yes. If you said you like them for their build quality, aesthetic, "vibe", feel in the hand, I'd say sure buddy. But af and image quality? You can get those on many cameras lol
I owned the SL2-S for a while, and I also had the SL3 for about a month too (for review purposes). Love the SL series of cameras for many many reasons, but the price point is just eye watering 🙃🤣
I get why they're the price they are (kinda) but the cost will always be way above what I'd personally be willing to spend. Well, for new ones at least. These "cheaper" older versions however could tempt me... Hope you're good brother 👊🏻
The SL is the most beholden to the "could just get a Sony" argument, for sure. For many people, yeah, the Sony makes more sense. Can't change the fact that the SL is built *way better* and there is plenty of space for preference in both physical handling and working with the files.
None of the buttons are labelled so you can customize everything and then forget what every button does. Also, mechanical shutter or digital makes no difference…..looking at you Sony A9III 😂
Umm... Electronic shutters have been quite shitty for quite some time, so your comment on that is wrong. Also, how the hell do you forget your camera buttons? Is it even your camera? I know mine by feel, I could never hit a wrong button in the dark
@@dimitrijekrstic7567 Nah, it’s not wrong at all. Most electric shutters are just fine these days. The reason I mentioned A9III is because of the global shutter. And yeah, I forget my custom buttons on the camera all the time, I don’t use only one camera.
@@ubesaaa I am, because it exists. But the Nikon Z8/Z9 don’t have a mechanical shutter either. That’s because that have a fast enough readout speed to “match” mechanical shutter properties. You probably believe that rolling shutter is only a thing with electronic shutters.
@maxieboy Weird assumption to make. All I am saying is that your claim that "mechanical shutter or digital makes no difference" is just wrong. You are basing this statement on the newest flagships, while for 99.9% of cameras, there is a very perceivable difference.
I have a m240 and a 35mm ASPH Summicron lens. The lenses are the most expensive part of any Leica typically. Lucky for me I only shoot in 35mm on it for street photography. And after 5 years of using a range finder I'm not able to tell you exactly where 1-15 meters is. To within 1/10th of a meter. So it's actually making me a better electrician as I'm able to guess cable lengths etc
There are soooo many better options to buy for 2000€ that it never really is worth it. I worked in a camera store amd only two people buy leica's. Rich people who collect them, and rich people who can't photograph that good but like the prestige of a leica.
All Leica photographers I know suck at photography. They just mask it by saying it's artsy and a unique style of photography. And nearly all of them are afraid of color.
Don't make this mistake. Don't get Leicaded.... go pro and get the Canon R5 and with the change you will have left you can buy a top end fast lens to take your photography to pro level instead.
I wish MPB worked in the US. Last time I tried to buy through them, the payment method was refused. Three times. No idea why, and couldn’t get a reason for it.
@@DeezBMemes my Sony ZV-E10 has fully customizable buttons. You even have separate pages for photo, video, and slow motion modes, so you can customize your buttons based on shooting mode. If you want custom button layouts but want them to stay the same between modes, just use “Follow Custom” and your video/slo mo modes will have the same custom layout as photo mode.
Get a Sony aNEX 7 secondhand for £250 you’ll hardly be able to tell the difference, though it’s an apsc sensor. I’ve used mine for 17 years .. no reason to part with it.
I mean, even if I had the money I don’t think my skills are to that level yet, would be like just learning to drive and as a second car having a Ferrari or smnt like that
Sony ZVE 10 or Canon R50, which one? I'm planning to buy my first camera for filmmaking videography, I've been using my phone for years now, I'm familiar with pretty much all technicalities, like exposure, post production, color grading and such. Now it's finally time to get my very first camera, on a budget. I mainly shoot cinematic shots, not Vlog style where I point my camera to myself, but rather shooting the environment around me, people, cars, tranes, trams, architectures, you know, a travel film, documentary. I'm also shooting handheld, stabilisation is a must. Again, this is not a Vlog style aproch, but rather pointing the camera to my environment, documenting
It is a good idea to rent both cameras for like 1-2 days with the same lens, try the menu and decide what you like more, personally i would go with sony because it is more affordable and you can put more lenses on it I am not a lot into video but just a photographer from the Netherlands but this is what i think about your situation
...aaannnd this is only the body. Adding a lens cost a kidney (nope 2) Really cheap full frame? i'll stick to the 5D classic, period PS/LR/Darktable for the Leica look if needed
The specs aren't that good, especially for the price. The build quality is good but the shape and texture make the Leica feel like a toy, albeit a heavy one. Colors, lense selection, "build quality" and prestige/snobbiness are the only reasons to buy Leica imo.
Я смотрю на западе такие же «знатоки» кому, что и за какие деньги покупать, они ЗНАЮТ ))) Если вы такие умные, то почему такие бедные? Вы не можете позволить себе купить шикарную камеру, сидите и брызгаете слюной на владельца LEICA.
“god tier” the only god tier there is the price point. Like all buttons are unlabelled. But how many buttons? Joystick? Af performance? The rest of the mentioned specs are standard to other mirrorless too. Please don’t fool yourself
It goes for around 1400-1500 nowadays if you're lucky on the marketplace, as a stills camera it's an absolute steal, the colour science and image quality is unreal. Especially in the studio, it even has a PC sync port.
Best way to make money as a photograhper? Sell your gear.
@@renglet5222 and going out of business
Same for a motorcyclist.
@@Radnamrok as a motorcylist and a photographer im deeply concerned
@@wolfmilk_9279 Don’t worry friend, who care about money?!🙌🫳🫳 It’s not like we are gonna for too long anyway!
@@wolfmilk_9279 same.
A Leica is like a Rolex- you don't buy it for functionality, you buy it to say you shoot with a Leica
That's what I thought... until I tried this camera out. Now, I definitely think there's more to this brand than just being camera jewellery.
@@TomCalton I've seen some videos comparing the Lumix and Leica colour science- and they are oddly similar... Maybe you could make a video on it?
@@Robert_E Leica and Lumix who share the same lens mount on full frame and Leica has worked with Panasonic for years so they're similar in some aspects
@@Robert_E Yeah, I've also seen the video you're referring to. I'll be honest, getting super techy isn't my thing - there are people way smarter than me that can do a much better job of presenting that kind of info. Thanks for the suggestion though!
What I will say is that, for me, the build quality of this camera is what sets it apart from anything else I've ever tested. Still not sure if that alone justifies the price though.
Your comparison is utterly stupid. Rolex watch is a high quality timepiece which is setting standards in the industry. It is literally the best value for money in the $7000-8000 range.
"Laughs in poverty" got me 😂
dont be its not camera its camera woman who take pictures u can take good images from ur phone camera as well
2000$ for a body is not expensive until you have to buy a 3000$ lens to pair with it, whop I forgot Sigma has L mount 2😅
You can use the Sigmas L mount with this. And now Sigma released the 50mm f1.2 and the 28-45mm f1.8. Those are amazing lenses.
You can also use all Lumix L (pro) lenses on it too.
It's def a Sigma camera
Are those “punchy and vibrant” photos straight out of the camera, or straight out of Lightroom?
@@cg841 was wondering that too!! Anyone knows?
I've only ever shot raw with them, but all SLs have had good contrast and colour without any changes in post. They really need very little to be usable.
Yeah I dont get when people talk about having “color science”. Like if ure any close to being a profesional in the field youre shooting raw and editing. Youre gonna be applying your own presets of a style u like anyways. Very few people that own a Leica would just take a jpeg and post it as it is. I suppose if you do want to shoot jpeg without actually editing Fuji is the closest thing u can get to that.
@@Omgiamsotriggered and in addition to that you can always use a color card and calibrate your camera. That should give you superior colors if you want „real“ colors.
@@altgr5063 buddy cards are for color temperature. "Color science" aka the specific set of settings a camera brand applies to the raw data is comprised of many settings like saturation of each color, shadows and highlights treatment, contrast, etc.
I have a Leica SL, but the film version. Still a lovely camera, just very different from this one...
Not to be rude, but who asked or mentioned them?
@@dimitrijekrstic7567this is a comment section
@@dimitrijekrstic7567 Chill, I think it's cool they have the film version
Bro literally said "who asked" 💀
As the owner of a rather large collection of cameras, including Nikon, Fuji film, Sony, canon, Hasselblad, and of course, Leica. Let me tell you, a Leica is not a camera for beginners. The only reason you should get a Leica is if you want to step up your photography game. They are not simple and intuitive, especially if you shoot SLR or analog (film photography). Btw: if you ever do buy a Leica: get an older film camera, trust me it’s worth learning.
Genuine question. What do you mean by “step up” in the game?
@@mmzer8651 Leicas are unforgiving cameras. They don’t just have a point and shoot mode, or even a programmed mode on some models. They are difficult to get right. That said, they have amazing hardware and are some of the most capable cameras on the market. If it can be captured in a photo, a Leica can do it. You really just need to know what you’re doing with exposure, stops, framing, focus, etc. That’s why I don’t recommend them for beginners. If you’re ready to take amazing photos and know what you’re doing, by all means purchase one.
@@mmzer8651
You already put out work of quality yet you need to reach further.
Wdym Step up photography game? Looks like you are a collector with money not a photographer. Lol.
@@SimplyV3rna I have many cameras for different occasions. Fuji for portraits (my daily is an X-H2), Hasselblad and my analog cameras for vintage photography, Sony for airshows (I’m a pilot), and then the Nikon/canon I rarely use (mostly loner cameras for friends). They all serve a purpose
Mostly just a statement camera, they’re AF is on par with an a7 iii tbh, I rented out the SL 3 for awhile and didnt live it at all
No.
@@major-Mihailo-Madzarevic but actually yes. If you said you like them for their build quality, aesthetic, "vibe", feel in the hand, I'd say sure buddy. But af and image quality? You can get those on many cameras lol
@@dimitrijekrstic7567why have such a meltdown?
@@cooltwittertag how is that a meltdown you socially inept in cel?
@@Invin_cibles do you know what that word means or do you just use it because thats what your bullies at school call you?
I owned the SL2-S for a while, and I also had the SL3 for about a month too (for review purposes). Love the SL series of cameras for many many reasons, but the price point is just eye watering 🙃🤣
I get why they're the price they are (kinda) but the cost will always be way above what I'd personally be willing to spend. Well, for new ones at least. These "cheaper" older versions however could tempt me...
Hope you're good brother 👊🏻
The SL is the most beholden to the "could just get a Sony" argument, for sure. For many people, yeah, the Sony makes more sense. Can't change the fact that the SL is built *way better* and there is plenty of space for preference in both physical handling and working with the files.
I still use this camera. I sold it before and bought it again. It’s my favorite one 😊
None of the buttons are labelled so you can customize everything and then forget what every button does. Also, mechanical shutter or digital makes no difference…..looking at you Sony A9III 😂
Umm... Electronic shutters have been quite shitty for quite some time, so your comment on that is wrong. Also, how the hell do you forget your camera buttons? Is it even your camera? I know mine by feel, I could never hit a wrong button in the dark
@@dimitrijekrstic7567 Nah, it’s not wrong at all. Most electric shutters are just fine these days. The reason I mentioned A9III is because of the global shutter. And yeah, I forget my custom buttons on the camera all the time, I don’t use only one camera.
There is a big difference between electronic and mechanical shutter. You are naming the one exception that has a global shutter.
@@ubesaaa I am, because it exists. But the Nikon Z8/Z9 don’t have a mechanical shutter either. That’s because that have a fast enough readout speed to “match” mechanical shutter properties. You probably believe that rolling shutter is only a thing with electronic shutters.
@maxieboy Weird assumption to make. All I am saying is that your claim that "mechanical shutter or digital makes no difference" is just wrong. You are basing this statement on the newest flagships, while for 99.9% of cameras, there is a very perceivable difference.
God tier 😂
I have a m240 and a 35mm ASPH Summicron lens. The lenses are the most expensive part of any Leica typically. Lucky for me I only shoot in 35mm on it for street photography.
And after 5 years of using a range finder I'm not able to tell you exactly where 1-15 meters is. To within 1/10th of a meter.
So it's actually making me a better electrician as I'm able to guess cable lengths etc
There are soooo many better options to buy for 2000€ that it never really is worth it. I worked in a camera store amd only two people buy leica's. Rich people who collect them, and rich people who can't photograph that good but like the prestige of a leica.
All Leica photographers I know suck at photography. They just mask it by saying it's artsy and a unique style of photography. And nearly all of them are afraid of color.
I like that when other brands have weird color science its a bad point, but if it's low hdr weird leica colors then is aesthetic
I’m sorry, I gotta
““low high dynamic range””
All I think of when I hear Leica is Eurotrip 😆
There’s a reason why photography stays a niche hobby (or job)
“It takes incredible photos!” *Shows a photo with blown out highlights* 😅
yeah, im sticking with my Sony mirrorless, it does a brilliant job for less than half the price
how about compare this camera with fuji gfx 100 😅
favorite camera body, that the SL2 and SL3 just for their extra speed
The fact that in my country this price is cheaper than a sony a6700 new makes it a pretty tempting purchase
Leica has Sony sensor inside but restricted functionality
It is a good Panasonic with a very expensive red label
i love leica. i use one of their microscopes in my research lab and i always clench a little when it goes through the initialization process.
Kekw, deliberately forgot to mention it has contrast AF, huge DR reduction past 1600 ISO, and 4K is cropped.
4k video....10 years ago....???
at 24fps
Don't make this mistake. Don't get Leicaded.... go pro and get the Canon R5 and with the change you will have left you can buy a top end fast lens to take your photography to pro level instead.
How's the footage though. I see so many photography cameras boast video functionality with absolutely garbage looking footage
I wish MPB worked in the US. Last time I tried to buy through them, the payment method was refused. Three times. No idea why, and couldn’t get a reason for it.
Why can't Sony provide these features like that customizable buttons... and dust proof...
@@DeezBMemes my Sony ZV-E10 has fully customizable buttons. You even have separate pages for photo, video, and slow motion modes, so you can customize your buttons based on shooting mode. If you want custom button layouts but want them to stay the same between modes, just use “Follow Custom” and your video/slo mo modes will have the same custom layout as photo mode.
Sony Provide all and do even better😅
@@sinyatsamuelho3103 really? What camera did you mention? The FX series?
@@DeezBMemes ALL FF camera and most APSC camera distribute in these 10 yrs HV such function
Camera might be kinda affordable but the lenses are where your wallet dies a painful real death
It uses the L mount so there are plenty of affordable lenses, they're just not Leica lenses.
*laughs in medium format*
My favorite camera I ever had
Get a Sony aNEX 7 secondhand for £250 you’ll hardly be able to tell the difference, though it’s an apsc sensor. I’ve used mine for 17 years .. no reason to part with it.
Can I use my leitz lenses from my R7 on this fancy new device? (Yes, I'm old)
@@GreggRoberts yes, with an adapter.
Damn that colour correction on the video🥲
I would still choose Sony camera ❤
I guess you could say it’s not like Leica-nother on the market😅
2k+ for a camera is ridiculous. I get if a super pro buys it and probably gonna use most functions. But come on… its just an obscene amount of money.
2K isn't that much money in the photography world tbh. But the photography world is obscenely priced in general so I guess you're right? Haha
I mean, even if I had the money I don’t think my skills are to that level yet, would be like just learning to drive and as a second car having a Ferrari or smnt like that
Only if Sony could copy lecia's menu system 😭🙏🏽
Those images looked no different than a cel phone camera. LBH
Ona compressed youtube short, plus them being garbage photos.
In real life those blow away any phone camera ever made.
good build quality lol, Fujifilm and Nikon say hello
i duckin spit water when i read the laugh in poverty 🗿🗿🗿
Bro just figured out about leica cameras
Can you still get batteries, spare parts, or service?
@@MarttiSuomivuori should be able too! I have a Q from that timeframe
Yes, no problem for me.
Sony ZVE 10 or Canon R50, which one?
I'm planning to buy my first camera for filmmaking videography, I've been using my phone for years now, I'm familiar with pretty much all technicalities, like exposure, post production, color grading and such. Now it's finally time to get my very first camera, on a budget.
I mainly shoot cinematic shots, not Vlog style where I point my camera to myself, but rather shooting the environment around me, people, cars, tranes, trams, architectures, you know, a travel film, documentary. I'm also shooting handheld, stabilisation is a must. Again, this is not a Vlog style aproch, but rather pointing the camera to my environment, documenting
It is a good idea to rent both cameras for like 1-2 days with the same lens, try the menu and decide what you like more, personally i would go with sony because it is more affordable and you can put more lenses on it
I am not a lot into video but just a photographer from the Netherlands but this is what i think about your situation
Consider Micro Four Thirds, specifically Panasonic G-series cameras.
What site is being used to look for those cameras he just showed?
MPB.com
@@TomCalton you are a life saver 🙌
I like the part where you explained how it was "God Tier"
My camera budget is £500 😂😂😂
What camera bag is that? Looks cool
11fps is quite slow nowadays for this amount of money...
...aaannnd this is only the body.
Adding a lens cost a kidney (nope 2)
Really cheap full frame? i'll stick to the 5D classic, period
PS/LR/Darktable for the Leica look if needed
"Up to 30fps internally"
Wht do you mean by internally? That got my curiosity
isnt the SL almost spec for spec the same as the panasonic s1?
yeah leica is fake luxury.
Similar to compare today, i still chose the SL.
No, definitely not. The SL601 is 4 years older than the S1. The sensor is also different.
@@wraith29A so almost spec for spec the same.....
The cost and performance of the product are poor, but the brand name wraps it all up well.
you're right, its not like anything else, its leica everything else
at this point i'd just buy a xiaomi 14 ultra with more camera kits and filters
the peak, if hassleblad is the bugatti of cameras, leica is the porsche of cameras
Bro ONLY 2k for a mirrorless? Sign me up
The specs aren't that good, especially for the price. The build quality is good but the shape and texture make the Leica feel like a toy, albeit a heavy one. Colors, lense selection, "build quality" and prestige/snobbiness are the only reasons to buy Leica imo.
I'll stick to my Zenit 11 thx
When did Linus get a British accent?? 😅
Full frame?
The af sucks as does the rolling shutter. 😢
Я смотрю на западе такие же «знатоки» кому, что и за какие деньги покупать, они ЗНАЮТ )))
Если вы такие умные, то почему такие бедные? Вы не можете позволить себе купить шикарную камеру, сидите и брызгаете слюной на владельца LEICA.
It is basically a cheaper version of a hasselblad😮
Except a hasselblad has far better specs for the price
its a full frame sensor on the leica...the hasselblad X1Dii has a much larger medium format sensor
@@QuarktaschemitSenf exactly! And it has a much higher MP count than the Leica
@@Robert_E yup and better dynamic range. maybe next year or the one after ill get one :-)
@@QuarktaschemitSenf good luck to you! I'm starting to realise this is a rich person hobby for people who can afford hasselblads
Hasselblat: 😂
if its so cool then it would have sold more. it didn't, and that says a lot
"They not Leica"
"They not Leica"
Do I need a battery for my carena srh 760 to take photos
Luxury camera for your luxury living 😂
Still prefer a canon r6
It better be for 2k🤣
“god tier” the only god tier there is the price point. Like all buttons are unlabelled. But how many buttons? Joystick? Af performance? The rest of the mentioned specs are standard to other mirrorless too. Please don’t fool yourself
It definitely looks 10 years old
How many cameras do you own..
Too many 😅
leic-any other camera… haha.. right guys
This camera is not for everyone, 5d3 is probably a lot better, for $500?
Eyesore
It goes for around 1400-1500 nowadays if you're lucky on the marketplace, as a stills camera it's an absolute steal, the colour science and image quality is unreal. Especially in the studio, it even has a PC sync port.
"and it isn't lecia standard mirrorless camera"
just amazed by so many people love to hate Leica 😂 don’t see the, hating Porsches or Lexus or Y3
but people do laugh at the morons buying Teslas 😂
It isn't Leica my other camera
$699 make a friend 🐶
One shutter click cost $20 + tax
Think I’ll stick with my iPhone 😂
Where can I find this camera
MPB.com, or eBay 😊
This is the Leica SL and it really isn't Leica any standard mirrorless camera.
*Xiaomi × Leica*
$2000 body only
That camera and its newer update are absolutely hideous IMO
It’s cheap when shooting with the sensor on solo😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for your joke❤
So its two ricohs g3s. Not bad
Even God can't afford it ...
Nothing Leica Sony
Until you want to get lenses for it...$$$
Leica is the bottom of the barrel in the Camera World. Technology has bypassed this company.