Fiberon by Polymaker Launch | EDGE OF 3D
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- 2 New lines of filament from Polymaker, Fiberon and Panchroma.
We will take a look at the 3 new "engineering" Carbon Fiber filaments Polymaker just announced.
PPS-CF10, A Polyphenylene Sulfide filament with Carbon Fiber
PET-CF17, A Polyethylene terephthalate filament with Carbon Fiber
PETG-rCF08, A Polyethylene Terephthalate Glycol-modified filament with recycled Carbon Fiber sourced from end-of-life Wind Turbine Blades and are certified to the Global Recycled Standard by TÜV Rheinland (www.tuv.com/us...)
Polymaker Fiberon: us.polymaker.c...
Also launched today is a very colorful line promising to have a wide choice of colors and surface finishes named Panchroma.
Polymaker Panchroma: panchroma.poly...
Home Made Istagoo (Not my recipe or idea but I use it exclusively): goo.by.frank.af/
Fidget Gear Model: www.printables...
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Once I found Polymaker ASA I stopped trying other filaments it worked so well for me. Glad to see them continuing to release new products. Eventually I will try something stronger than plain ASA, but for now Polymaker has made my 3d printing experience as good as it can be. I only do functional parts, so I love this kind of stuff.
Same for me. I only print polymaker and extrudr ASA/ABS
ASA really surprised me how clean it prints good stuff
Top tip.. watch at 1.25x speed
That's a southern drawl for you. Low and slow. Not in a hurry to get anywhere.
Love seeing Polymaker getting into exotic filaments.
I'm def more interested in the Fiberon line than they Panchroma line. Would love for the exotic filaments to get more affordable. My general experience with PETG CF is also that it's super easy to print with and just makes PETG awesome.
Missed you at MRRF! We’re reprinting our dragster for East Coast - is this new stuff light weight too?
I haven't made comparison prints to check the weight by volume yet. I plan on doing that next weekend when I get a little time.
Way overkill with the subscribe overlay.
What kind of polymer is panchroma? I assume PLA but either it wasn't mentioned or i missed it.
Basically polyterra variants, so weak mate pla.. just for looks
@@riba2233 Matte and Satin PLA are PolyTerra formula the rest are not (some are PLA based, some are a new formula)
@@Polymaker ah ok great to hear, thanks!
"Plastic does not make that metallic ring" - this is not quite true, celluloid for example is very hard and rings
have you ever tried running your fingers over the teeth of a comb made out of celluloid?
... and yes, after typing this - i'll take my comment back, by judging your hairstyle you don't use combs very often - i rest my case
jk - no offense, my hairstyle is quite similar :)
I guess I should have clarified my statement to say that plastic we typically use in 3D Printing doesn't make that ringing sound.
@@EDGEOF3D nope - all good, we all know what you meant to say :) - but i could not resist the comb-comment - and lets be honest, no man can resist running the finger over a comb, it is like holding a cordless drill and not pressing the trigger - this is simply impossible for a man ;)
My left ear is really enjoying this!
I thought my headphones were messed up there for a second lol
Great video, though audio is only on the left for some reason!
That's called an "amateur mistake" by the rookie editing the video.
@@EDGEOF3D lol all good still a good one! Filaments look great and SOUND great
@@EDGEOF3D you can still fix it, cmon :)
@@EDGEOF3D just turn the file to mono and youre good
I believe it's fixed, both left and right audio channels are working for me. 👍
I think the Qidi Q1 Pro might be one of the only or at least one of the best printers off the shelf for the PPS filament. 350C nozzle temp with a heated enclosed chamber.
PPS is an awesome material. Got some to run on the Q1 Pro and it came out amazing. That metal sounding characteristic of it I only figured out when I dropped the test printed fidget switch and it TINGED of the floor.
Yeah, its surprising the first time you drop it or flick a part of it and hear the metal "ring".
Awesome news! I can confirm pa6cf and pa12cf (just as brittle) feed just fine from my Sunlu drier to my x1c with no issues so these can most definably be ran through a Bambu.
A1 too?
@@AckzaTV you’ll need an enclosure.
PET-CF has utterly insane layer adhesion. Surprised that It didn't fuse.
Also, very interesting that the print temp is 320-350c, higher than I've usually seen for pet-cf. Don't forget to anneal!
Nozzle tempt for PET-CF is 270°-300°. The 320°-350° is for the PPS-CF. I've had no layer adhesion issues with any of the 3 I've been experimenting with.
@@EDGEOF3D haha when I meant insane adhesion, I meant it would have insanely *good* layer adhesion. PET really, really likes sticking to just about anything. That's why I was surprised the print in place model printed so well. I would have expected stuff to fuse together
These new engineering filaments are getting me interested in acquiring a FDM printer. Bee resin printing and have fewer choices.
Oh hey, I'm glad you love the DIY goo recipe! Thanks for the shout out :)
Make it once and it will last a lifetime. I NEVER print without it. Turtlecrawler turned me onto it a couple years ago and I've never looked back.
Sounds more like ceramics to me
this ringing is a characteristic of polyphenylene sulfide ... which apparently per wiki etc has been around for a long time really... so i'm curious to see how it prints and would like to get some now. polymaker had a bell that would legit ring they printed at the expo or whatever... i dunno if he mentioned that or not bc didn't watch all the way.
At MRRF, I heard that Polymaker was going to be making new product line announcements. As always, these are quite nice additions to their product lines.
I've only been printing with the Fiberon line for a few weeks, and it is some amazing stuff, especially the PPS-CF, cannot tell it isn't metal.
Great video and Thanks for making this. I am looking to print firearm parts i'm an 07 FFL I have a Adventurer 5M. Do you thik I can print the metal like stuff on it? Ive tried to print PA6-CF and it look ok but....
As long as your printer is capable of printing with a nozzle temp of a minimum of 320°C (I suggest 355-365) then you can tune it and probably be okay.
@@EDGEOF3D No wont go that high... 280c is all I got
👂👁👃👁🦻
I make carbon fibre hydrofoils and they have a similar audible response to impact.
Website says "gone" for all the pages. What did polymaker do?
Updated the links, the Press Release I have was an early version.
Hearing the price tag, then seeing him break off parts for demonstration purposes really hurt my wallet!! Massive respect and thanks for showing off the new tech! I bet you could make entire printers out of this stuff (sans the motors, pcb's, wiring)
Awesome video! The sound of that PPS-CF10 is amazing! Where can I find the model/.stl of that impeller you printed? Thanks in advance!!!
Unfortunately, that model is a file I've had for several years, I do not know where it came from.
I recently bought a filament that I dried in the oven.. it snaps just like that and i have to print it at a reasonable speed. its PLA but it does print very nice as long as i dont print too fast
A quick question about the PPS-CF. As hard and brittle as it is, I was thinking that it might feed easier if warmed in the Bowden tube or other feed path. I looked on the Fiberon site and couldn’t find anything about preheating the material. Do you foresee any problems that may arise by heating the filament on its way to being extruded? Thanks for the video and taking the time go reply to these comments
I've actually not had any issues with it feeding at room temperatures.
However, with that being said, I'm testing 2 inline filament driers/heaters that can heat to 195° and have not seen a difference in how it feeds but have seem a difference in the prints, I've had to lower my nozzle temps to keep from overheating the filament and causing stringing. As well as being careful how hot to heat different filaments to keep them from becoming too soft and pulling into in the boden or not feeding.
Love your videos Scott keep them coming! Hit me up next time you are in town, so I can buy you a beer!
Very cool. I wouldn't have known about this without you. Thanks.
Fiberon is a composite decking product line lol.
Great video and thanks for the information. Very excited about getting my hands on the PPS-CF10. I have a Creality CR-10S with a few upgrades including the Micro Swiss all metal hotend and an enclosure. I have been able to successfully print with PLA, PETG, and even PC -CF. Only problems I have ever had are the first layers adhesion. Is there a smooth or textured sheet you would recommend? Especially for these higher temperatures like the PC-CF or the PPS-CF10? Thanks again. Looking forward to more of your content.
I've printed on smooth and textured with no problems, however, with that being said, I apply FrankAF's home brew bed adhesion/release to every printer, every print (or when it starts to wear off anyway). goo.by.frank.af/
I hear all the time that if I knew how to tune my printer, level my bed, set my offset.......... Rubbish, I have spent a lot of time in commercial 3D printing operations and every single one of them uses something. One failed print or one destroyed print bed because the part wouldn't release, it's more than paid for a lifetime supply of this stuff.
@@EDGEOF3D Thank you for the quick reply and info. Sounds like this is exactly what I am looking for. I went to the site and noticed it is sold out. Must be doing something right!
Wow. 3D print in place Kalimba!
Thought about a fully 3d printed music box. Kalimba would be neat as well.
It's been forever I was trying to recall what was this metal like filament I saw a year back. Forgot the damn acronym, could never find it again. PPS. I am writing it down this time. They are not the first to make it, but oh thanks for presenting it.
Need to give it a shot. Does this one also require annealing post print?
Definitely not the first to make it by a long shot, however this is the first time Polymaker has offered it in their lineup of materials.
Definitely a plus. Still curious about the annealing requirement. Couldn't find any info on their website, only a form to fill in email for being notified of info on thenl fiberon line
@@fabio-franco Correct, the link is a place-holder while they finalize everything and get the site uploaded. As for annealing requirements, we are testing that right now.
@@EDGEOF3D cool, very interested on that.for me annealing was always a source of big headache due to deformation and/or dimensional distortion. Can't really fit anything anywhere anymore. What you printed seemed "good enough". If it can be avoided would be a step up for what's available now.
This Fiberon PPS reminds me of the "Black Aluminium" filament some company presented like.. 3 years ago or so. I wonder if polymaker used the same approach here or if it is a completely differnt material.
You’re thinking of Essentium HTN CF25 aka “Black Aluminum”. VisionMiner did a video about it a few years ago. Hopefully someone will test those two filaments against each other and publish the results.
@@justinmorgan7851 I remember that video and yeah this video reminded me of it too. Would love to see proper strength tests on all of these!
Print cool stuff neat stuff slick stuff
Fix the audio to get more views!!
RUclips does not allow "fixing" audio, would require me to upload a new video. Honest mistake and taken as a learning lesson to check the video's from another computer after uploading before they become public.
@@EDGEOF3D Thank you for taking the time to respond.
👍 I just subscribed to your channel! Looking forward to your next videos.
Very very interesting video, thank you. The 2 "peace" signs your showing (peace out is what you said) is really not a piece sign. It's just the opposite, it's like giving the finger. The piece sigh is a PLM OUT sign. Not trying to start anything, just FYI. I like the informative videos, will have to check out more. Thank you.
i don't see the link to your homebrew bed adhesive?
Its there now, I apologize.
I'm so glad I found your channel today!
I'm impressed right off the bat sir. You studio looks great and I love your to the point approach.
I hear and see that you also have quite a bit to do with the RC world. That's one of my hobbies and the main reason I started getting into 3D printing. I can't seem to find a link to your website, I'm sure you have one, as I'm starting to get real curious about drag racing.
Please, if you can, put a link here for me.
I can't wait to watch your other videos and share with my groups!
I wonder if the name Panchroma is a reference to Pantone? I would be curious to know if their goal is to match all of the Pantone colors.
probabaly :)
I think it just means many colors
Excellent 🎉More possibilities
Where is the featured RC car design, BOM and so on?
I didn't feature and RC car in this video, I showed a prototype front end I put together for the purpose of making the video.
At t=16:46 sure looks like a remote controlled 4 wheel vehicle...
That was built on commission for Polymaker to display at Rapid when they launched this new line of filament, it is not my model to share. Files, BOM etc can be found at: www.patreon.com/join/mrbaddeley
Good vid!! Subbed
can you stop showing the subscribe banner 100 times? this is annoying and it is covering the name of the materials. if i want to subscribe, one is enough, the others are just to make sure i don’t.
Been waiting for more options of PPS filament. The company I work for makes parts for deep sea drilling out of PPS and while the stuff is a pain to process, the finished product is like nothing else.
140$ a Kg. I can't afford any print failures with that...
Nice overview, thanks! Very interesting! The PPS looks really interesting! (Does anyone make a high-temp hotend for the Bambu x1C?) Waaay expensive and I don’t have a use case doe it, but super-interesting!
(BTW, I think you accidentally jumped the gun, did you say the embargo time was 8am PDT? I came across this vid at about 9:30 EDT, which was 6:30 PDT. Honest mistake, I hope you don’t get in trouble for it.)
0800 PDT on 25JUN and that is exactly when it went live, it only had 3 views prior to that time and those were internal views from the designer of my thumbnails.
As for a high temp nozzle for the Bambu, I don't have a clue on that one, I'm sorry.
@@EDGEOF3D Oh DUH, so sorry! I was seeing it on the morning of the 26th, a full day after you posted it. Sorry for the brain spasm!
You can’t just stick a new hotend in a Bambu and have it work at higher temperatures. The hot end itself is only half of it, the firmware on the printer needs to support the higher temperatures too. There are a number of ways you could trick it but you won’t get accurate temperature control then and the read temperature will be wrong.
nope, it only works on X1E.
They need to make it a little more flexible. But looks amazing.
None of your links for the new filaments seem to be working..????
Ima try this if i can use my a1
While at open sauce...did you see the new Micron sls printer?
I did and I backed it on Kickstarter
The voron trident has a nozzle that doors only 300 c how did you pull off the pps cf?
You can put any hot-end on a Voron Trident.
PPS-CF10 do you think it would do well with heated thread inserts?
Planning on doing some testing of exactly that in the next week or so. I only had it a few days before I had to leave for OpenSauce and have been busy at my real job since I got back.
still only left channel, this bothers me so much :(
Sorry but it's not going to change, there is no way inside of RUclips to correct this short of uploading a new video. I said it here a dozen time, it was a mistake on my part in editing, it wasn't caught till it went live.
@@EDGEOF3D Yeah, I hear that. It's not a personal criticism, we're all learning throughout life. And I don't think a minor event or nuisance impacts channel growth much. IDK, i'm just a passing viewer.
If I were you, I would consider trying to re-upload it or a new video with similar title; you get to a:b test viewership. See which one impacts views or trending for reference. Could reply to commeters just to check out the new vid candidly, instead instead of hearing the same thing over and over. Receiving that kind of feedback repeatedly would be kind of irritating to me, personally. I'd rather do something about it to shut them up, instead of just enduring.
And it's Just a preference, personally. Consider, Depending on where new viewers get recommendations to your channel -- like mobile, or roaming where earphones and audio matter, even if they watch at low res.
Your responses are sincere and I think you're definitely putting in a lot of effort, based on your video quality. Good luck though
@@EDGEOF3D there is a vide0 editor in yt studio, can't you just replace the audio track?
@@riba2233 You can only add RUclips library music to a video in YT Studio
@@EDGEOF3D ah ok, too bad!
Would you please give a link to the planetary gear model?
Added to description. Thank you for reminding me to share the source, I forgot that.
Good video, thank you!
Is it possible to print any of these on a Bambu A1?
The PETG-CF and PET-CF should be fine a A1, hot-end will not go high enough for PPS-CF
Xypolyer has the pps-cf since last year
Many companies have PPS-CF, and many for more than a year, this is new to Polymaker's lineup.
WHY NO SOUND AT ALL, WHAT IS WRONG ❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓
Your left speaker
That is definitely rigid, could be useful where needed. It is disappointing that the pricing trend is to overprice new filament, it sure limits experimentation for the hobbyist. Truth is hobbies are expensive, guess I need to get over it.
PPS CF filament isn't really intended for hobbyists. It's for shops making jigs or functional tools/parts. Very few hobbyist 3d printing people would need it. The PET CF is fairly reasonably priced for what it is.
If you can’t afford engineering materials you can always stick to printing PLA spinners, dragons and that kind of trinkets most people print these days. 🤷🏾♂️ This materials are designed for very specific areas and use cases, they of course carry a premium price, usually functional prototypes and final use parts for industries, not really hobby-level stuff.
@@Bogaloo1232 😁
just a small feedback, to many subscribe popups and you can cut out umms in editing ;)
Agree it's a lot and it even interferes with reading the other text he's trying to show. I think he should do it like most other videos on RUclips - a single reminder at an opportune time somewhere in the middle of the video.
@@logicalfundy or near the end of the video with an ask prefaced by "if you found this helpful".
That was a problem for me when I was trying to see the product name, the cookie cutter subscribe reminder cut in over the top of it, gah!
Maybe he likes to just be who he is? Even with all of the ummm's?!?! Ok well that is great ty for commenting
@@Heywood-----Jablomeh calm down bro, y0u are not ok
Can you share printing nozzle and bed temps or is that still nda for the pps cf fiberon filament?
I'll update when I get home and can look at the data sheet they supplied me when they sent me the samples.
Per the data sheet provided to me with the filament:
PPS-CF Nozzle Temp 320°-350°
Max Volumetric Speed 28mm/s
Heated chamber recommended but not required
Bed temp up to 80°
I printed at 340° with bed running at 110°
@@EDGEOF3DThank you, great video.
Wow. Excellent video Scott. Great things from PolyMaker. Will share on all my Socials.
340 C hotend temp!?
On the PPS-CF, yes
@EDGEOF3D that's crazy, definitely not a bambu filament
@@EDGEOF3D Wow! I liked the sound of it (pun intended) but count me out, my hotend is not up to the task.
Wouldve been nice to have some performance testing other than "it goes ping when i flick it". Nice party trick, but does it offer any real life advantages? The filament snapping by barely touching it is a bit worrisome for example.
There will be testing, we all just received the samples a short time ago and have had no time to do any testing with it. I never made any claims to any sort of strength or durability in my video, I was simply introducing the line.
I've seen a lot of engineering grade filaments do that. At a certain point I think it's just a price you have to pay to get the extra properties. As long as you account for it you should be OK. Some people have run a lot of spools with brittleness like that through their machines once they figured it out.
polyphenylene sulfide belongs to the family of PAEKS, such as PEEK. it is a strong, very brittle polyner with strength similar or close to PEEK . the virgin polymer itself sounds like metal as it is inherent to this polymer, the CF only adds stiffness and probably strength.
Nope, it is not. PPS has either ether nor ketone groups. It only has aryl groups like PAEK.
But I agree. The sounds comes from the polymer. 10 CF doesn’t affect much. The reason for the metallic sound is the low density and low loss modulus. Not the just 4 GPa of elastic modulus. (Al 70 GPa, Steel 210 GPa, Ti ~150 GPa).
@@lucianoag999 true, my mistake. ;) i tried to summarise something complex into sonething, which ultimately is wrong. polyphenylene sulfide, which only contains the sulfur atom to link the phenylenes, has similar crystal structure, with similar bond lengths, and similar phenyl angles, compared to PAEKs, but yes i does not belong.
it's not Metal, Really you can't take the time to do a closeup of the print? I guess your mug is more important, what an ego.
As a headphone user, having the audio only on the left channel made this impossible to watch past a few seconds for me. Sorry.
yep
Meh, I only use one earpiece so the people don’t sneak up on me. Didn’t even notice.
You would have if you'd only had the other one in LOL
Are you really that intolerant?
Yeah those DJI mics record mono and it is easy to forget to convert it to stereo when editing, especially if you aren't editing with headphones on.
Claiming it is metal without anything to show for it. Claming the PET has no layer lines and no image to show us. This feels a little like TV shop.
I never claimed it was "metal", it sounds and acts like metal, watch the video. As for the PET, you obviously didn't watch the video, there is a close up at the 11:10 mark of the PET-CF right in the upper left corner of the screen.
Where did you buy this? I can't find it for sale.
I didn't buy this, I am a Polymaker Studio's partner and they sent me samples to test prior to the launch yesterday. I believe this will be available for sale in July.