Homemade Tent vs Polish Lavvu, German Pup Tent & British Basha Tarp
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- The tent is finished but is it fit for purpose? A fourway showdown here between the homemade 'Hickory' tent, a Polish army 'Lavvu', a German army pup tent and a British army Basha. Then I give the diy oilcloth a good soaking and we'll see if it's weatherproof!
Chapters:
00:00 Intro and weighing the tent
02:41 The Polish Lavvu
05:54 German Pup tent
07:44 British Basha
10:30 Homemade tent first pitch
16:09 Verdict
18:44 Revised verdict!
Homemade Camping Gear series playlist:
• Homemade oilcloth tent...
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Camping in the "golden age" before synthetic fabrics the essential rule was NEVER touch the inside of the tent!
If you did you run your finger down to the side so it didn't drip on you!
My Dad always told us not to touch it back in the 50s
I remember my group leader shouting at me to get my rucksack off the sides. Happy days.
We used to touch the inside directly over a sleeping camper's face. Ah, Boy Scouts. Such abuse haha!
Even with modern materials you do not touch the inside of the exterior tent surface unless it is Gortex or similar , like a bivvy bag . All single walled tents still have the same issue ; in addition a single walled tent will gather condensation , not all the time , but when temperature , humidity and air flow combine to allow it . A double walled tent reduces the chances of condensation , especially when airflow has been maximised by design and set up .
Max you have a 'poop' tent and I cannot imagine any of your viewers would wish to see you suffer carrying the monstrosity that the tent is . Possibly someone can tell you how this design was intended to be made , I cant see how you could have misinterpreted the instructions , but if they are right then some twat designed the thing or some evil git intended to break kids backs ; tossers either way .
If you want a camping design challenge ..... what about converting an open ended British Gortex bivvy bag into a mosquito proof , dual hooped one . These bivvy bags cost around fifty quid and are bomb proof , well maybe that is stretching a point !
Another idea might be making a hammock for the back of your 110 .....
All the best and thanks for your videos .
“In summary this is still the worst tent I own” cracked me up 😂😂😂. Great watch, the process is as fascinating as the end result sometimes!!
Maybe use it as a rag top for the back of your Land Rover if you are making it a pickup? The colour would contrast nicely.
The tent weighs nearly as much as the Zil! I'm really enjoying this series it's really different 👍
Max, as for carrying the poles, in the golden age of the Boy Scouts, with those style of tents you didn’t carry the poles, you cut new pole from saplings at each campsite
What a brilliant, thoughtful analysis. A reminder that it's not just better materials that have revolutionised tent design, but also clever design.
I wonder if adding a loop in the middle of that dip then find a pitch near a tree with an overhanging sturdy branch, throw a line over the branch down to the loop, then peg out the rest. 🤔 Great series 👍 One of my favourite possessions is a complete bound set of Popular Mechanics from 1955, it has tons of stuff like this. 🏴👍
It was great to see all of your tents, I think the Polish lavvu is my favourite one.
Your second arrangement for the homemade-hickory looks a lot better - it looks huge now. It's amazing that it was create for scouts :o
Great project for getting experience of the sewing machine, and making oil cloth.
Oilcloth isn't the right thing for a tent anymore, but there will be a project in the future, where it will be perfect and if it never happens, gaining those skill is worth it just for having gained them.
My next tent I will be trying to bond the mylar survival blankets to silnylon, with actual physical vents instead of trying to use fabric breathability. I always loved the idea of the poncho tent, but found the wind getting underneath, and so a bonded floor is important to me.
I like the idea .
Love the history involved in this. Its practical archaeology.
You seem to have very successfully demonstrated why oil skin is no longer used for tents even though it dominated for centuries!
Guessed the weight at 14 lbs so I broke out a beer. Cheers to a superb video.Thank you.
Good project to watch, Max. Should you feel like going through the process again, my vote is for a home-made canvas tilt cover for the back of the Land Rover. You could go wax cotton with that one, perhaps, and show us that process. 👍🏻
Bound to be heavy with 10l of oil soaked in, even after the solvents have dissipated, but an interesting project, as ever. I think your idea of a simpler square bed sheet similarly treated but shaped more as a tarp would be the winner.
Try adding a ridge line on the 2nd configuration. external if you can tie the seam to a line above.
When I was a lad, many years ago, I read many books on camping and climbing Hob nail boots were the thing to have and there was three pages of patterns for the nails, even In my teenage years I thought they were the thing to have. My PE teacher had a pair of Vibram sole shoes - wow! Camping is one area of life that has become lighter more technical with your Marino wool base layers and down sleeping bags, but there is still a lot to be gleaned from the good old days, if a little heavy.
Hob nail boots were tough but heavy and made you hobble. Many memories of those plus leather football boots with nail in studs. There was always a queue for the last after games. Also the hugely heavy wooden skis and strap in boots. Looking back, outdoor stuff was pretty tough going for eight year old and up at boarding school in the fifties. But it was the threshold of a life time of camping, climbing caving and other activities.
There's something delightfully bonkers about having to use an efficient, light weight, plastic garden tent as a place in which to make an inefficient, heavy, oil-cloth, camping tent ☺☺
The oil cloth would be a great cover for the land Rover bed if you bent up bows for structure and ropes to tie it off
I was just thinking the same thing, a cheap and effective cover for the bed that could even be used as a place to camp out too, but not made to iffy boy scout designs... :D
1) In that final configuration @18:46 it looks like an ancient Durston Xmid Pro!!
2) The design of the tent looks to me to be capable of several configurations? The one shown in the photos looks to be dependent of being very, very taut and for dry weather conditions. I wonder if there's any evidence anywhere of different configurations of this design? Finally, there's obviously a very good reason this design isn't used anymore - it sucks!
But the learning process, (cutting, sewing, making a waterproofing etc), is to me the main exercise of the project - especially as it's aimed at the younger amongst us, (or in this video - the young at heart)! 😉
such a cool project / experiment .. i have an old waxed canvas tent & totally agree .. it weighs a ton , but it keeps light & heat out , ideal for festivals or car-camping weekends ... and rain sounds so much nicer on ' vintage ' natural materials
Tremendous , Max! So much info, and a great bit of living history - boy Scouts were smaller, back in the day - and perhaps shoved their kit on a waggon.... notwithstanding, ypu have a perfect load cover for Kermit - will look ace with the yellow paint 💪
Bill Mason, Canadian canoe master, wrote a book called song of the paddle. He shows plans for a canoe tent that I have always wanted to make. Google the book and I think you should be able to find a photo of the tent. A little to big for backpacking but I thought I would share anyway.
I have an original US pup tent and the Polish Lavvu as well as having used various tarps and bashas in the past. I don't know whether you have seen it but there is a company called Bushcraft spain who do an extension to the Lavvu that buttons between the two halves and can be opened up in baker tent fashion and that still comes in lighter than your home made tent there. The Polish Lavuu is really versatile and a lot more resistant to sparks from a camp fire than a basha, you trade of lightness for durability.
I've just converted my Sankey trailer into a camper to be towed by my series 3 L/Rover, very happy with it is waterproof and windproof as I hate being on the wet floor. Has a nice single bed mattress inside so you can just pull up put the stabilizer legs down and get in with no faff if its raining. the old work horse takes all the weight, I love my old Landy.
I remember camping with the scouts about 60 years ago. Six of us to a tent, everything got damp and we all stank at the end of a fortnight..
great video..... would like to see the tipper truck in the background. Used to see them in building sites.
iv loved this series ,,going back before i was born ,,the 50s all camping stuff was heavy and bulky ,,today we would just take a 3x3 dd tarp and a meths stove ,,please keep going with this camping theme ,,good job
I experimented with cheap silicone sealant a couple weeks ago, probably around when you were doing this video haha
You mix the cheapest silicone with solvent, I used white spirit, 2 tubes of sealant to 2L of solvent, treated a cotton bergen cover, left it hanging outside for 3 days, the spirits evaporate leaving the silicone impregnated into the fabric, it's absolutely waterproof I'd expect it to be at least as proof as the best modern tent, probably 5000mm hh
The Lavvu are great little tents, but even the 3 holes ones are a little restrictive for the taller person, probably the main reason why quite a few put a skirt on them, not tried it myself but there is a 3d print enabling 2 poles to be used thus eliminating the central one . A DD tarp is my weapon of choice for a lightweight set up, but still love my Conquest median canvas. Cheers for the video, really enjoyed it and its always fun to watch someone put up a new tent for the first time.
I pity the poor boy scout. Sometimes progress has been in the right direction:)
I've got a polish Lavvu which has been modded with a skirt and stove jack, great for cold weather Winter camping..,..
I've also got a British army basha but I don't have a german Army puptent... My life is not complete.
BUT
My glass is not half empty nor is it half full.
It is infact refillable, so hopefully I will have a Pup tent soon:) Hahaaa :))
Sandy
Great video Max, I suspect you should be using rope, not bungey to get some more tension across the "ridge" on the original configuration.
Max you have to remember back then it was standard practice to just cut fresh poles everytime you camped.
I love this project Max it's really useful and interesting, thanks.
This was a very pleasant video to watch, thank you
I took a kingsize bed sheet and sewed webbing around the perimeter, leaving loops of webbing every foot as tie down locations. I then melted several candles and brushed on the wax. Two coats later and it makes a top notch bivvy.
Does the candle-wax not make it go all stiff?
@@emmajacobs5575 it does stiffen the fabric but only like starch does, and it's actually more of an advantage because it doesn't flap about so much.
From my experience, I think I'll stick with my basha/bivvie bag combo for hiking. I'm interested to see the Lavvu, I've seen them online, they seem interesting. I may pick one up for camping with a car ie a beer festival and the like.
I grew up sleeping in a canvas tent and was told never to touch the inside of the tent or it will leak where you touch it
I have given up on oil cloth over silicone treated canvas and fabrics. Way easier to prep and handle and later retreat after some weathering.
Fantastic project. Just how it was in my childhood. Brilliant effort.
Army tents versus an origami tent - a very interesting experiment.
i think the image might be suggesting to pitch the tent as a saddle shape, with the two treeline points being diagonally opposite corners
This episode was intents!
Awesome job
Great content as always. Thx!
Great video! I have a Tschum 2p Soswa hand made (by someone else!) canvas teepee which is my absolute favourite tent. I have hiked with it and cut a pole once I got to site but man it’s so heavy and I had hardly any room for any other kit in my pack! I agree with your assessment of the great qualities of canvas over nylon or polyester. You can’t beat the sound of the rain and you get to sleep in in the morning! However for back packing/ wild camping my go to is a DD 3x3 and Frontline hammock. Much easier on the knees!!
Great project look forward to seeing it used.
I loved the video. Thank you for trying something new even if it doesn't turn out to be that great!
Camper pod for the back of the Zil if you hadn't put the organ on it 😉, used to carry the 8 man canvas scout tents. Can understand exactly the weight issue, when we changed to dome tent it was like chalk and cheese
if I remember from another RUclipsrs channel - American Scouts were expected to have a 'hiking pole' of 6'. The pole itself is interesting, as it as also meant to have marks on it to allow for checking fording depth in water as well as a couple of other functions. So that might give an indication . Also, I wonder if hte back 'flap' can be pegged away from the main body to give more room? Although clearly from your photo this wasn't done there.
The oilcloth tent reminds me a bit of my old French infantry tent. It works as long as everything is as taut as a drum. Otherwise meh. Have you considered making a version of the lavuu? Yes I love my lavuu and I'm very happy to see you haven't done anything drastic to it.
Now. I’m definitely watching this 👍
Romans, Vikings, medieval folk and apparently boy scouts had to contend with these kind of weights... And now the Ironthumper has to bit the dust as well...
It looks cool though and should function well too...
I Got a Bell canvas tent 5 m diameter with a wood Stowe - fantastic all year around
I've thought a few times about trying to make the tent from Daniel Beard's Field and Forest Handy Book. There's no sewing, but a lot more folding. Maybe I'll finally give it a go after seeing you make the effort on this one 😁👍
I just realised - there's something about it that reminds me of a Tardigrade 😆
If it does rain on your hike it will be heavier to carry home.
Took the kids camping to a festival at short notice. £36 buys 3.3kg of modern 2-man tent with blackout lining, double skin, mosquito proof doors & sewn in groundsheet. Ditch that oilcloth and enjoy your hike!
Will you bring us along on your camping adventure please?
I was really rooting for the tent to be a huge success but rather you than me carrying it. Don't forget your camera on your expedition.
Loved this series! Thanks for taking us through the process.
Do you perhaps know where someone can go about picking up a good quality, stitched canvas laavu nowadays?
it would be interesting to find out if there is any reasoning behind its shape
Could you tie that gap up to reduce the hole? Also, the corner on the front left appears raised on the pic of the original compared to yours. Would that allow for more space/better runoff?
Also, it’s an exercise in making something for its own sake. Many US Boy Scouts probably only camped during the balmy summer months, where rain isn’t such a problem.
if it snowed you're buggered
wonderfully entertaining and so nice to watch someone try new things and have the honesty to say: the end result is a bit shite 😂 I was very impressed with your sewing!! Reckon that oil cloth will come in very useful one day, for summat or other ❤
The scouts must have been bigger back then! 😂 Too bad it was what you wanted. I haven’t made oil cloth, but I do make a lot of waxed canvas items. I make a greenwax and it works great!
What i think you've actually made is a cover for the Landy😂
I mean the basic shapes there for sure, but in the picture from the leaflet it looks much more taught 😅
@@crispindry2815 no I ment taught, looks like they had been shown how to pitch it so didn't look like a car crash... 😏 Nah I jest your right hombre
How about some Ventile material next time?
I wonder how many people ever made this tent? You might be the second person ever! "New content creator, recreates work of old content creator"
How do you keep your stuff dry inside these types of tents? Is there a liner that you line the bottom with?
Can the oil cloth be waxed?
You need to consider an Australian swag tent.
I did try one whilst out there visiting my brother, comfortable but it's another one I wouldn't want to hike with!
The design of the thing does seem to have been made by someone who probably has never been camping before, and then makes excuses by telling the scouts to "use their initiative" with rejigging it to make it work, when a simple flat canvas made into a toblerone tent would have been much better... :P
Talking weight, Dutch army canvas tent weighs about 5kg as well
And the Lavu remember is made up of two ponchos so the carry weight is essentially halved.. The best use of a single poncho I've seen on RUclips is 'swedwoods' channel.
Are the weights you have listed including the poles or just the canvas? Is the German shelter really heavier than the Lavvu?
Just the canvas. I weighed them all the same way I did the homemade tent.
Probably designed by a writer for the scout magazine who never actually went camping....most scouts of that era would read these articles with starry eyes but never try and make the featured article. I remember something similar in a scouts survival book where some bright spark had created very detailed plans how to fashion a lens out of ice to focus the sun's energy to start a fire......good luck with that...for 13 year olds remember!
"This is still the worst tent I own". ;D
The size would be fine for a child tho and that’s who it’s designed for
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Every evening 1 hour episode
ok were did u get a sil nylon basha
Ebay
Verdict: It's shite, Roy. 😁
Glad I'm not carrying it.
The time and money you spent making that you could have used to finnish Kermit lol
5:05 instead of tripping of your guy gropes you tend to trip over everybody else's guy ropes...
Have you thought about waterproofing a bedsheet? Here is a video of a guy who uses silicone and white spirit to do it. ruclips.net/video/z_R0gEDZhAI/видео.html
Sorry Max, but I don't think that's ever going to be a practical tent for hiking. Great experiment though.
Humans explored the planet wearing leather, canvas, cotton,and wool. It's easy to make and repair. I do a lot of walking in boots made in 1976. I'm not suggesting you start making boots,am I ??.
Put some tension in it and it will be a bit less rubbish. Still rubbish though.