One thing Tony fails to mention is that his organization TOLD these past generations that end was to come in their life time. They didn’t just come up with this belief on their own. The organization gave them false hope.
I was baptized at 19 from the 'world' in 1996. 9/11 in 2001 made me pause as I thought maybe they were right as far as Armageddon. By 2003 I was growing PIMO....FULLY PIMO by 2006. Stuck it out for my mom and friends I made until 2012. By the time I was 30 I realized I'm growing older and the end isn't coming and I'm possibly wasting my life. When I lost fear of the elders ( I realized they couldn't arrest me, whip me...do ANYTHING...I'm a GROWN ASS MAN !! ) I lost fear of the 'friends' and lost fear of the organization period....thst was it for me. My attendance dropped off. My commenting dropped off. Field service dropped off...I was like SCREW IT. I'm going to live my life. WTF am I doing ? Never looked back. Married a wonderful woman who got her MBA. We bought a new house. I improved my health. Improved my credit and finances. 16 years in and it took me leaving Jehovah for good things to happen in my life. They stole my 20's, but took me five years to see it was BULLSH@#×🤬
I am currently 29 heading for 30. I have a plan for getting out, it just seems like things are taking longer than expected. I can't stand the fact that this religion stole my youth from me. But I'm determined to get out. Once I do I will lose most all of my friends and family, but I am have come to terms with that.
@@dasani9347 At twenty nine you are still young enough to do everything you want to do in life. Go on and be the real and great 👍 person that you now can be! 🤔.
@@dasani9347 might I suggest that you become TOTALLY INACTIVE and if asked by anyone, ( family as well) tell them that you are having a PERSONAL, PRIVATE CONSCIENCE ISSUE, you MUST say no more, if hassled by the Elders tell them exactly the same thing say NO MORE, it worked for Jesus when confronted by the scribes and Pharisees, HE REMAINED SILENT. After a short while you will be considered spiritually weak and left alone. It worked for me as I've been totally inactive for 3 years and have not been shunned by family and friends as I'm not disfellowshiped. Remember SILENCE IS GOLDEN. all the best from Australia.
What their offering only works with the fear factor. When I finally woke up and wanted out I thought is their anyone worth staying in for. No not my family, or friends? Friends who will turn you in if they see something. Those aren't friends, a family that will shun you if you don't comply? Never felt comfortable among those people, always watched my back. For me it wasn't until I read Franz's books That I knew what my gut was telling me for years and it was ok to get out. I was 42.
This has to be one of the most damning presentations I’ve see from Morris. He is essentially reflecting on his life and his ancestors lives and concluding it was all for nothing. I wonder how many people in the audience will reach the same conclusion?
There are understandable reasons for “sticking it out” though they’re probably not ones you expect: 1. Realizing that you’ve been lied to all your life and that you’ve been part of a misanthropic doomsday cult can be traumatic. 2. If you ever decide to leave (or disbelieve) they will cut you off from your loved ones, spread rumors about you, and treat you like a monster. 3. The borg has such an authoritarian, oppressive, and manipulative grip on a person’s identity that they pretty match have to rebuild themselves from scratch after they’ve been abandoned. The problem is not with the people, it’s with the organization and it’s conniving leaders who use coercive, dishonest, and unethical methods to keep members under their control. People cannot reject their questionable authority without having their lives at stake. It’s emotional and psychological blackmail. Edit: Lastly, one thing I’ve noticed about people in high control groups is that they don’t seem to understand or value nuance, complexity, individuality, or the human experience, all they care about is their simple black & white dogma. Their identity is so inseparable from their dogma that they view on attack on it as an attack on them. As such as they will defend it no matter what, even if it’s untrue and actively harming others because their identity and livelihood entirely depends on it.
@@raventreefrog2305 EMOTIONAL CONTROL: •Instill irrational fears (phobias) of questioning or leaving the group. •Use persistent fear-mongering or superstition to control others and discourage exploration. •Scapegoating: Blame a specific group or “enemy” for the misfortune of members. •Label some emotions as “evil”, “worldly”, “sinful”, or “wrong”. •Teach emotion-stopping techniques to suppress anger, homesickness, or empathy. •Push feelings of guilt, shame, and “brokenness” onto members to prevent independence/confidence. •Teach that group members, especially group leaders, are inherently special or superior to others outside the group. •Love Bombing: Shower you with love and praise to draw you into the group or prevent you from leaving. •Conditional Love: “Love” based on group loyalty, usefulness, conformity, and subservience. •Exploit tragedy, suffering, and emotional vulnerability to promote the group/recruit others. •Shun you if you disobey or disbelieve. •Claim there is no happiness or peace outside the group (“You are nothing without us”). •Never accept reasons to leave: Brand those who leave as “weak”, “selfish”, “sinful”, “worldly”, “immoral”, “deranged”, “evil”, “ungrateful”, etc.
I know this is fairly obvious, but their argument of “it’s the best life ever & I’d still believe even if it wasn’t true” is a MASSIVE fallacy. They are actively discouraged from studying other cultures and “worldly” (outsider) groups. Most of the people in JW were born into it and those that weren’t were targeted when they were emotionally vulnerable. Trying out different experiences and lifestyles itself can get you kicked out of the org. They’re also implying that they prefer comforting lies over harsh truths. Lastly, THEY ARE LITERALLY HOPING FOR APOCALYPSE TO COME. Which is not a healthy way to live and it exposes how little they actually value human life and life in general.
The absolute FEAR and control they are able to manipulate over a person Psychologically is amazing. I HATE to give them credit for anything, but in this area they are the best out there. The grip they are able to have on people is something else.
I know this is fairly obvious, but their argument of “it’s the best life ever & I’d still believe even if it wasn’t true” is a MASSIVE fallacy. They are actively discouraged from studying other cultures and “worldly” (outsider) groups. Most of the people in JW were born into it and those that weren’t were targeted when they were emotionally vulnerable. Trying out different experiences and lifestyles itself can get you kicked out of the org. They’re also implying that they prefer comforting lies over harsh truths. Lastly, THEY ARE LITERALLY HOPING FOR APOCALYPSE TO COME. Which is not a healthy way to live and it exposes how little they actually value human life and life in general.
@@cygnustsp Most of them are. But they’re being brainwashed into an ideology that is neither true nor healthy. Something I see commonly among dogmatic control groups is that they don’t seem to understand or value the human experience and nuance, all they care about is the dogma. Their dogma is so entrenched into their identity that they view as attack on it as an attack on them. Even if that dogma is untrue and actively hurting others. JWs need help, or at he very least be inspired to reform their org into something less toxic and exploitative.
We used to mock Catholics for clinging to their ancestral faith (“This faith/religion was good enough for my parents, my grandparents and my great-grandparents. It’s good enough for me!”).
Thanks Lloyd. I wish my family that are still in were brave enough to watch this one video. However, I glad I found the courage to stop this generational dysfunction with my child so he can have a good life.
My mother is one of those who has expended her lifespan in this cult. It’s incredibly sad. She joined at 18 and is in her 80’s now. I wonder what her life would have been if she had lived it in reality and pursued her own interests and goals? Because of this cult I will never know who my mother actually is. The person she was supposed to be was long gone by the time I was born.
I understand fully. My sister is in her 60’s and joined at about 15. To be fair, she was a very messed up kid so I don’t think she would have pursued dreams and goals but whoever she was turned her brain into mush decades ago.
As my mom was dieing of cancer days away from death, but could still say a few words. If was sinking in that she was going to die. And she said "but I love him" I took that to mean I Love Jehovah..I was promised I wasn't going to die. She was struggling with that thought. I just said, yes I know. She was 32 when baptized at the 1959 International Convention in NY, I was 3 yr old. I can tell you by the tone when she said those 4 words, she was not happy the promise didn't come true.
When I was in high school, a 7th day Adventist pastor showed up to my bible study I was conducting with another high school student - and he had all kinds of Watchtower publications where there were many embarrassing false predictions (from publications of the past). I was very concerned - because I had never seen such materials - when I was discussing how to reply to the issues raised by the Adventist pastor - their (the elders) main reply (to me) was "where you gonna go?", "Who else has the truth?" I now know EXACTLY where I am gonna go (and stay) - and it is far away from this organization! -Thanks so much for all the work you put into this Lloyd - it has helped me to stay free of this organization.
There is an interview with betty white speaking about talking to her mother right before her mother died betty white asked "arn't you afraid of dieing?" Her mother responds "No, i'm about to find out the big secret, who is right." As a former JW I hold on to that knowing if Jehovah is a loving god he will understand that it is hard for one to determine who is right or who has the truth.
How about not being told before you get baptized that if you choose to no longer believe it to be the truth that you will be shunned by everyone in the org. including your own family I don't remember being told that ahead of time. Thank you Lloyd for all you do to bring truth to the untruth!!
How can someone be oblivious to the shunning process before they get baptised Kathy ? I am not being pedantic because I don't know how much interaction there is between JW's and those coming into the faith before they get baptised ? Surely they attend meetings at the halls even prior to being baptised ? They must see or hear some of the attitudes and actions taken against people who challenge or leave the org ? Or do the JW's make sure that those that show potential to be baptised are kept away from the shunning and disfellowshipping processes ?
@@1414141x I see your point, Chris. And I do think there are many scenarios in each congregation and each person getting baptized. But I do think it’s the same as every new relationship, the Org puts it’s best foot forward and doesn’t show the ugly side until you are to far in. I don’t think they completely hide the disfellowshipping process, but it’s kind of like getting married, you never think at that moment you will get divorced so you just don’t let yourself think what can go wrong bc you don’t think you will ever be in that position. But the most tragic to me, is when you see the ones getting baptized, it’s most generally young ppl. I mean REALLY young ppl like 8-16yrs. They depend heavily on this age group and I’ve never heard it discouraged from the platform. How can they let these young children make this heavy of a decision when they are literally children? Very upsetting.
And now conveniently (though utterly deceitfully) they rewrite that title as 'Millions now Living MAY Never Die. Even that sad retraction is still hopelessly false though, unfortunately, will still persuade the poor and gullible.
Tony says, "They were not just sitting around, waiting for the end. They always had projects that kept them busy in Jehovah's service, goals in personal study and preaching, and helping others. They were full of purpose and joy." -- Yes, they may have felt that way, but that feeling doesn't correspond to any reality, instead it's as unreal as a dream, but they have learned to accept JW-appearance style ( It's not a "Life" style, is it? ) as True Life (TM)☣. They manage to suck every last bit of life out of every thing they redefine in GB approved terms, as "true love", "true joy", etc.
@Gerson Leal Of course silly me. I think that this is a bit of an American obsession. Did you know that in public swimming pools in France all male bathers MUST wear very tight fitting swim trunks?
@@jamesbovington8218 I definitely think it’s a personal kink with Tony. Some type of repressed, personal issue. Sad thing is his random personal opinion expressed to the ones in Organization, effects millions.
Although WT recruitment is stagnant the way the WT delivers it’s content is key to its success of acquiring membership. Calm, sincere and genuine in nature to appeal to heart and mind. Wonderful salesmanship. Engineered content that some call propaganda where I call a weapon to trap minds and hearts for their end. Thank you for a well articulated video on this Lloyd. Your efforts are much appreciated. 😊
Yep you nailed it. They've built up a community that gives a lot of people faith and hope and "rational" reasons for dedicating their lives to their nonsense. JWs of course aren't alone in this but really their methods are quite impressive.
20 years ago, I made these same points to my brother Jeff Sprankle (who’s an elder) and he responded with “okay, so we’re all going to die, maybe Armageddon won’t come as promised, at least I have good friends I can trust”. Sad, he never got to go to college, he never had a satisfying career, he and his wife never had children, and his “friends” are just as diluted has he is. Pathetic.
For me who lived thru the death of my Mom and Dad it is not the fact that they believed they would see the end of this world and never die. I mean they had been told this since 1973. It is ok to have your faith, the problem for me was along with this faith you are to have nothing else. My parents died pennyless. They had nothing for themselves in their old age. I believe there are thousands of older jws who never planned out their older years. The burden never falls on the Charletans who told them big stories. It falls on family, and friends. We are the ones who hear of disappointment, regrets, and many times bear the financial responsibility. I believe unlike the leaders of the watchtower you can have faith, and still look out for yourself and your wants and needs Because let's be real Fred Franz and all his pals nor the current group and its members are going to come set at the side of your dying family and offer support emotionally, monetarily, or anything else. So sad!
After 65 years all my loved ones have firmly believed the end was near. Seeing one after another of very faithful servants who never married as the end is near. Never had children as it would be so cruel to take a baby though Armageddon is it so near. Yes all these faithful servants always living their lives firmlu believing the end was near obeying every commandment from The Governing Body who set a firm time to so we knew the end was near. I can't imagine how this is going to go down for the Good For Nothing Slaves. What a waste of life it is almost a sin to Jehovah for not living a full and useful family life as he intended. I believe my generation are waking up to all the lies and failed predictions only to have their families used as blackmail, yes blackmail their family's and life as we know it are held by ransom not to a God but to 8 men. Over the years I have seen it all but to me this Governing Body are doing a splendid job showing us who they truly are...
THANK you for shutting down the "even if it's not true it's the best way of life" bullshit. I remember, clear as a bell, an old friend of mine who was a ministerial servant in the early 2000s, making that statement from the stage. He was wonderful company.....he was also closeted. A few years later, finally, he admitted the truth about his sexuality and was of course disfellowshipped. I was still indoctrinated at the time, so shunned him along with everyone else. HARDLY the best way of life.
How do you manage to let a belief from a cult control your natural humanity towards a friend ? I don't understand how you can do it. You must have initially thought 'this is not a correct thing to do' before you decided to join the flock and shun your friend.
@@1414141x for those of us that were totally in and now have woken up, it does seem ridiculous that we shunned friends and family for even small infractions such as smoking. But at the time, they have you convinced that you are doing the shunning out of love. And that if you shun the person they will realize their wrongdoing and turn around and repent and come back to the Flock. You never stop to think that it’s a blatant control tactic to hold your friends and family hostage. I honestly have even heard it said, by elders, that if you continue to associate with a disfellowshipped one, that you don’t truly love them bc you are not helping them get back in Jehovah’s good graces and they will lose their eternal life. Of course, I realize how ridiculous this sounds now but believe me you have to be in to understand. Hindsight is 20/20
I think Morris is mentally out of this ridiculous cult, the angst of which could possibly explain his drinking. Problem he's got is that he's on a nice little number & can spend most of his days swigging whisky & flicking playing cards into a top hat, all that's not easy to give up. What a thing though if all that were true & he defected....
Yes, I was thinking something very similar. I mean JF Rutherford used to drink like a fish and that's when he went out in his backyard and had these wild day dreams and delusional ideas about housing the men of old in his mansion when they were resurrected, etc etc. I think Tony Morris is ALSO a lush and is suffering from PTSD from his military days and the cult dynamics before he got to the top. It seems a bit too much for him. The man looks completely miserable and sounds like walking death! You can almost visibly see the hate he has for almost everything and everyone and the self loathing in his face and you can certainly hear it. The thrill is gone for him but he'd be crazier than he already is to give up his cake position!! (that's likely what he's thinking/feeling)
You have to be totally desperate or completely bedridden to continue sinking into the lies of this society. Thanks Lloyd. I sincerely hope that you will come back in great shape and even stronger than today. Come back quickly before this company disappears so that we can still benefit from your relevant analyzes. Rest well and come back to us soon.
These comments from Tony Morris the Turd directly contradict Stephen Lett’s comments at the start of the pandemic about being the last of the last days. It’s like Tony knows the end ain’t happening, but he’s still trying to convince JWs to remain in the org and send him more whiskey 🥃 money.
Work for the organization clean the halls you payed for don't have children don't reach the full potential god gave you .give us money even if your poor . Than we sell the hall you built and payed for and we keep the cash .
It is so sad that they wasted a lifetime hoping for something that was never coming in their lifetimes. Worse is all the things they DIDN'T or COULDN'T accomplish because they were so damned "busy" doing "spiritual works for Jehovah". Many of these people have cut off their non JW or former JW family members they will never talk to again for the rest of their lives! Even at the end of this, he is doubling up on the "wait and see" narrative. I guess some of these people will never learn. I have tried waking up my own sister and when things don't line up for her, she choses to think that she is not supposed to know why. She just keeps putting faith in it anyway.
This religion kidnaps peoples minds . It’s very hard for some people to wake up from it . They watchtower uses propaganda to indoctrinate its members . Instead of arguing with your sister I would suggest you try watching some movies with her , movies are like propaganda too , maybe she will see the light . My 3 movies are equilibrium by Christian bale , Truman show by Jim Carrey and silence by Liam neeson. Movies are the best way you can get your sitter to doubt without coming off as an apostate . Don’t criticize the religion because it makes them become more defensive . Good luck with your sister, I hope she wakes up.
Ol’ Tony is promulgating a “Schrödinger’s cat” end-prophecy: it is both untrue (“The end will not come before I die.”) and true (“The end _will_ come ...soon.”). Yes, but not now. Yes, but not yet. Yes, but later. No./Yes. It is, essentially, an unfalsifiable doctrine - as long as the date remains fluid.
Lloyd will be back!! This channel is too valuable and the most highly professionally produced Ex- Jw channel on RUclips, imo. He can literally retire with this channel from the income. Take your time and get well Lloyd.
Interesting that Deut 18:20, 21 uses the word presumptuous regarding false prophets, and back in 2015 at the ARC...Geoffrey Jackson says it would be presumptuous to assume that they are God's one true mouthpiece...and also theyve admitted theyre infalliable and uninspired 🤔🤦♀️...and yet if you don't listen to the GB, the consequences are pretty severe...
I am going to make a LONG comment later on...but please let me start with this one: Did you notice how at the beginning Uncle Tony mentioned a few times "long time supporters of the FS"? I finally (today) figured this all out..I always what to know not only what happened buy WHY it happens(ed). After watching those last 2 videos on the resurrection...IF we did not/do not recognize (or told not to recognize) that faith and expression in JESUS gives us everlasting salvation (as JW claim) then there is a need for other medium/belief. That is where FDS comes in.......Because (as they say) we cannot depend on Jesus' death (per the last few videos about resurrection) ....we need FDS. So now there is a need for them. However, IF we believe in what the Bible says about resurrection and justification ALL we need is JESUS and belief in Jesus...and no need for FDS.
Morris doesn’t look like a faithful slave. He looks FULL, sure, but not of faith… full of whiskey so he slurs his voice. Slaves don’t travel first class by plane either, and they usually dress in rags, so faithful slave is a bit of a misnomer. Mafia boss sounds better.
I watched this video twice. This should be world shattering news !! Tony Morris, on behalf (no doubt) of the leadership of the watchtower society , HAS FINALLY CAPITULATED ! He announced that if the end never comes, he “doesn’t feel he’s been deluded”……he says : it doesn’t matter if I see the end….I HAD A FULL AND SATISFYING LIFE…DELUDING OTHER PEOPLE. ….I COUNTED EVERY MINUTE AND EVERY HOUR DOING SO…. My reward was a regular supply of my favourite whiskey and that was good enough for me. Lloyd after quoting Deuteronomy where the OT God makes it clear what he normally does with charlatans like Morris, you said : “I am not advocating the Governing Body be executed. “. Yea sure , Lol…. We can all read between the lines…!
Stay Alive till 2026 when Ramopo is complete and will also still be useful in the "new world." Apparently some will still be mining coal and metals for electricity, some will be rocket scientists to build and launch satellites for worldwide internet access, there will be machinists and laborers for woks and log cabins, electricians to make a grid and hook up to it....seriously this is getting laughable
I can’t stand these guys, specially tony morris . How can they live with themselves, lying to so many and practically destroying ,in most cases ,the best part of their lives? I wasted 33 years of my life to this organization, too late to go to college; too late to undo the damage I did to my own children. I feel such repulsion towards this people, I can’t help it. But I’m free, at least.
I can never remember what the faithful slave is! Will someone please remind me? Forgive me, I know I should have this down by now, but it’s all so bizarre and difficult to get all the crazy pieces situated in my mind.
They change their definitions to fit their narrative but I think now they are saying the “faithful & discreet slave” is the 8 members of the Governing Body. I could be wrong, I’ve been out awhile.
Lloyd thanks for shining a light on wt BS! Oh ya Tony can put on a laugh at the bloopers & talk about not regretting all the wasted yrs but meanwhile we filled our kids brains with terror & nonsense! Their lives at school a nightmare! Cutting short their education a disaster!
My comments are always long...sorry about that: 1. Notice how at beginning how Uncle Tony says how they (supposedly) said how they supported FDS...not Jesus or Jehovah? 2. I'll bet that either those 2 letters were fabricated or Uncle Tony put a few of his own words in them. 3. (I am still mad at the last video of Uncle Tony "mocking" the ones who (were obedient) by agreeing what was written in Life Everlasting book and Awake, etc.). I, and no other JW at the time needed Uncle Tony to tell us to keep on the watch...How many parables that Jesus give with those words (the one with the 10 virgins comes to mind)...but Uncle Tony is going to mock the ones who went along with FDS (what did Tony say, "they were guilty"....I would like to know specifically, what Uncle Tony thought they were guilty of?). 4. That first letter....yeah they thought the end was near because that is what they (we) were told!! I was really surprised that they didn't say that "they were obedient to Jehovah" or something like that. I do not have a problem with a person remaining obedient, or doing the best he can to serve Jehovah. If that is what you want to do, great. That is no the issue here. The issue is, for some reason, as you say Lloyd, TM is using this platform to discuss this issue (of the end not being here). There must be a reason for it. 5. Yeah right...I am reading and studying Jeremiah right now...what Uncle Tony is comparing himself to Jeremiah (ask any JW IF FDS is "like" Moses or Jeremiah" and they will not give you a straight answer.) Yeah Lloyd you are right..."leading productive lives" is a terrible reason. Does Uncle Tony (or anyone else) think that it was so easy in Jeremiah's day...to "just listen"...there were false prophets...the kings did not listen to Jeremiah, etc. I would say, not many folks from Isaiah through Jeremiah were "saved" from the destruction of Jerusalem. 6. When they start up street witnessing again....ask them about 1975 and, as one told me....that "it was all by the publishers....they had overanxious exuberance". 7. What is Uncle Tony trying to prove, to rationalize about the 1975 and "the generation"...I see what he is trying to do....make it look like it is all their (our) fault...that WT/FDS didn't have anything to do with it....and just deal with it. PS: And what about Steven Lette's rant on the "last of the last days". Which is it Uncle Tony? (I do not know why "They" just don't come clean and admit the wrongdoing and move on). PS; And I still do not understand WHY attempting to foretell the future is so important? 8. You are right too...I am not saying I would not ever have got baptized, however, WE were threatened that, if we KNEW about Jehovah and wasn't baptized AND Armageddon came, that we would be destroyed. 9. I need to stop watching TM videos...I really cannot stand that guy.
The other day I asked my dentist who is delightful young Muslim girl. I said to her 'If you were not brought up in any faith be it Islam or Christianity etc and someone tried to convince you today that there was an omniprescent, all powerful being watching and controling everyones life down to if people died or lived' would you accept it ? She couln't answer me.....
Lloyd - great job! You’re doing a wonderful service to people who are victimized by this organization and may not know of any other resource for an objective and alternate view than searching on public media. Don’t stop what you’re doing and keep fighting the good fight!!
Woah.. how is he gonna tell his mom anything? Is she also part of the 144000? He won't be able to leave heaven to come materialise infront of her on earth!
I think this is exactly the reason why most peoaple stay in toxic enviroments : they trust , they don't belive. they trust family, traditions, uniforms. it's a false sense of security and forgiveness. if they only new it's nothing to forgive , and if there is bringing someone with you to salvation dosen't mean your not alone in this life time! sacriface the next life and improve the one you have.Choose forgivness in this lifetime !
I was being called twice a week by an elder when the pandemic broke outafter being inactive for 10 years and got nothing. It felt good that someone cared until he apologized for bothering me because he was told he had to. He eventually cut to once a week then a text only then nothing.
Lots of great talks and many valuable contributions from viewers. It's has been as if my culmination point in cult control understanding. Thks to yr. channel..
How sad. They waists people life... They live in fear and on the watch off all negative things that happen in the world. So they dont see the beauty of this life. How far technology has come.ets... This is cruel.
IVE SEEN THIS FIRST HAND. MY GRANDFATHER FOUND THE TRUTH IN 1930. HE WAS FAITHFULL TO THE END.SAME AS MY MOTHER. ITS VERY SAD HOW FUCKED UP THIS CULT REALLY IS
Always been fascinated how Christians gaslight the fact that literally nobody in the Bible was a Christian, yet they speak of them as though they shared a common belief. Everyone of note in the Bible was Jewish, including Jesus and his followers. Not Christian… Jewish.
They need to acquire quick cash flow so focused on emptying the estate of the dying off faithful slaver. The shareholders make profit from gaining the estate goods of the generation that are not dying over but it would mean bad light, be dying off all faithful slaves churches... Aka new light.
One thing Tony fails to mention is that his organization TOLD these past generations that end was to come in their life time. They didn’t just come up with this belief on their own. The organization gave them false hope.
I was baptized at 19 from the 'world' in 1996.
9/11 in 2001 made me pause as I thought maybe they were right as far as Armageddon.
By 2003 I was growing PIMO....FULLY PIMO by 2006. Stuck it out for my mom and friends I made until 2012.
By the time I was 30 I realized I'm growing older and the end isn't coming and I'm possibly wasting my life.
When I lost fear of the elders ( I realized they couldn't arrest me, whip me...do ANYTHING...I'm a GROWN ASS MAN !! ) I lost fear of the 'friends' and lost fear of the organization period....thst was it for me.
My attendance dropped off. My commenting dropped off. Field service dropped off...I was like SCREW IT.
I'm going to live my life. WTF am I doing ?
Never looked back. Married a wonderful woman who got her MBA. We bought a new house. I improved my health. Improved my credit and finances.
16 years in and it took me leaving Jehovah for good things to happen in my life.
They stole my 20's, but took me five years to see it was BULLSH@#×🤬
I am currently 29 heading for 30.
I have a plan for getting out, it just seems like things are taking longer than expected. I can't stand the fact that this religion stole my youth from me.
But I'm determined to get out.
Once I do I will lose most all of my friends and family, but I am have come to terms with that.
@@dasani9347 At twenty nine you are still young enough to do everything you want to do in life. Go on and be the real and great 👍 person that you now can be! 🤔.
@@dasani9347 might I suggest that you become TOTALLY INACTIVE and if asked by anyone, ( family as well) tell them that you are having a PERSONAL, PRIVATE CONSCIENCE ISSUE, you MUST say no more, if hassled by the Elders tell them exactly the same thing say NO MORE, it worked for Jesus when confronted by the scribes and Pharisees, HE REMAINED SILENT. After a short while you will be considered spiritually weak and left alone. It worked for me as I've been totally inactive for 3 years and have not been shunned by family and friends as I'm not disfellowshiped. Remember SILENCE IS GOLDEN. all the best from Australia.
@@dasani9347 Once you leave you are going to go thru some tough times. Be prepared, it isn't easy.
What their offering only works with the fear factor.
When I finally woke up and wanted out I thought is their anyone worth staying in for. No not my family, or friends? Friends who will turn you in if they see something. Those aren't friends, a family that will shun you if you don't comply? Never felt comfortable among those people, always watched my back.
For me it wasn't until I read Franz's books
That I knew what my gut was telling me for years and it was ok to get out. I was 42.
This has to be one of the most damning presentations I’ve see from Morris. He is essentially reflecting on his life and his ancestors lives and concluding it was all for nothing. I wonder how many people in the audience will reach the same conclusion?
There are understandable reasons for “sticking it out” though they’re probably not ones you expect:
1. Realizing that you’ve been lied to all your life and that you’ve been part of a misanthropic doomsday cult can be traumatic.
2. If you ever decide to leave (or disbelieve) they will cut you off from your loved ones, spread rumors about you, and treat you like a monster.
3. The borg has such an authoritarian, oppressive, and manipulative grip on a person’s identity that they pretty match have to rebuild themselves from scratch after they’ve been abandoned.
The problem is not with the people, it’s with the organization and it’s conniving leaders who use coercive, dishonest, and unethical methods to keep members under their control. People cannot reject their questionable authority without having their lives at stake. It’s emotional and psychological blackmail.
Edit: Lastly, one thing I’ve noticed about people in high control groups is that they don’t seem to understand or value nuance, complexity, individuality, or the human experience, all they care about is their simple black & white dogma. Their identity is so inseparable from their dogma that they view on attack on it as an attack on them. As such as they will defend it no matter what, even if it’s untrue and actively harming others because their identity and livelihood entirely depends on it.
Agree. It is so well engineered it should be call a mental weapon instead of deceptive hope.
@@raventreefrog2305 EMOTIONAL CONTROL:
•Instill irrational fears (phobias) of questioning or leaving the group.
•Use persistent fear-mongering or superstition to control others and discourage exploration.
•Scapegoating: Blame a specific group or “enemy” for the misfortune of members.
•Label some emotions as “evil”, “worldly”, “sinful”, or “wrong”.
•Teach emotion-stopping techniques to suppress anger, homesickness, or empathy.
•Push feelings of guilt, shame, and “brokenness” onto members to prevent independence/confidence.
•Teach that group members, especially group leaders, are inherently special or superior to others outside the group.
•Love Bombing: Shower you with love and praise to draw you into the group or prevent you from leaving.
•Conditional Love: “Love” based on group loyalty, usefulness, conformity, and subservience.
•Exploit tragedy, suffering, and emotional vulnerability to promote the group/recruit others.
•Shun you if you disobey or disbelieve.
•Claim there is no happiness or peace outside the group (“You are nothing without us”).
•Never accept reasons to leave: Brand those who leave as “weak”, “selfish”, “sinful”, “worldly”, “immoral”, “deranged”, “evil”, “ungrateful”, etc.
@@chriscortez2036 Well said.
I know this is fairly obvious, but their argument of “it’s the best life ever & I’d still believe even if it wasn’t true” is a MASSIVE fallacy. They are actively discouraged from studying other cultures and “worldly” (outsider) groups. Most of the people in JW were born into it and those that weren’t were targeted when they were emotionally vulnerable. Trying out different experiences and lifestyles itself can get you kicked out of the org. They’re also implying that they prefer comforting lies over harsh truths. Lastly, THEY ARE LITERALLY HOPING FOR APOCALYPSE TO COME. Which is not a healthy way to live and it exposes how little they actually value human life and life in general.
The absolute FEAR and control they are able to manipulate over a person Psychologically is amazing.
I HATE to give them credit for anything, but in this area they are the best out there.
The grip they are able to have on people is something else.
The best clue to when the end is near is when we see tony at the booze store with a truck
The Very Definition of INSANITY 🤪 . . . "REPEATING the
SAME THINGS Over and Over 🤹 and EXPECTING🙄 Something Different !!! 🤷
🤯🤯🤯
I almost spewed my hot coffee reading this comment LMAO 😂
I know this is fairly obvious, but their argument of “it’s the best life ever & I’d still believe even if it wasn’t true” is a MASSIVE fallacy. They are actively discouraged from studying other cultures and “worldly” (outsider) groups. Most of the people in JW were born into it and those that weren’t were targeted when they were emotionally vulnerable. Trying out different experiences and lifestyles itself can get you kicked out of the org. They’re also implying that they prefer comforting lies over harsh truths. Lastly, THEY ARE LITERALLY HOPING FOR APOCALYPSE TO COME. Which is not a healthy way to live and it exposes how little they actually value human life and life in general.
@@chriscortez2036 I like to think most JWs are good people despite their religious handicap
@@cygnustsp Most of them are. But they’re being brainwashed into an ideology that is neither true nor healthy. Something I see commonly among dogmatic control groups is that they don’t seem to understand or value the human experience and nuance, all they care about is the dogma. Their dogma is so entrenched into their identity that they view as attack on it as an attack on them. Even if that dogma is untrue and actively hurting others. JWs need help, or at he very least be inspired to reform their org into something less toxic and exploitative.
We used to mock Catholics for clinging to their ancestral faith (“This faith/religion was good enough for my parents, my grandparents and my great-grandparents. It’s good enough for me!”).
Excellent point.
Reminds me of the saying:
If the King James version of the buybull was good enough for jesus, it’s good enough for me!
Sending love to you and your family Lloyd. Thank you for your constant help and the work you have done.
And What is the Definition of INSANITY Again ??? 🤯
Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results= INSANITY!!!
Thanks Lloyd. I wish my family that are still in were brave enough to watch this one video. However, I glad I found the courage to stop this generational dysfunction with my child so he can have a good life.
My mother is one of those who has expended her lifespan in this cult. It’s incredibly sad. She joined at 18 and is in her 80’s now.
I wonder what her life would have been if she had lived it in reality and pursued her own interests and goals?
Because of this cult I will never know who my mother actually is. The person she was supposed to be was long gone by the time I was born.
So sad how people let others steal their true self
I understand fully. My sister is in her 60’s and joined at about 15. To be fair, she was a very messed up kid so I don’t think she would have pursued dreams and goals but whoever she was turned her brain into mush decades ago.
As my mom was dieing of cancer days away from death, but could still say a few words. If was sinking in that she was going to die. And she said "but I love him"
I took that to mean I Love Jehovah..I was promised I wasn't going to die. She was struggling with that thought. I just said, yes I know. She was 32 when baptized at the 1959 International Convention in NY,
I was 3 yr old. I can tell you by the tone when she said those 4 words, she was not happy the promise didn't come true.
It is so sad. I lived thru the same situation. She is now gone.
My story is the same as yours. Parents in their 80s now. Lifelong JWs. Sad.
Thanks for continuing to post during your hiatus. Best wishes to you and your family!
It's so telling that Tony saw the need to reach out to people to give these testimonials on why they're OK that they've been lied to 😄
Exactly! It’s ok when we get it wrong for generations, but you have to never ever question our validity🤣😭
And WHY they're ok with having WASTED their entire lives on a pipe dream!!
Many old-timers have spent years supporting kingdom halls and paying for them only to have them taken away and sold by the watch tower organization
When I was in high school, a 7th day Adventist pastor showed up to my bible study I was conducting with another high school student - and he had all kinds of Watchtower publications where there were many embarrassing false predictions (from publications of the past).
I was very concerned - because I had never seen such materials - when I was discussing how to reply to the issues raised by the Adventist pastor - their (the elders) main reply (to me) was "where you gonna go?", "Who else has the truth?"
I now know EXACTLY where I am gonna go (and stay) - and it is far away from this organization!
-Thanks so much for all the work you put into this Lloyd - it has helped me to stay free of this organization.
There is an interview with betty white speaking about talking to her mother right before her mother died betty white asked "arn't you afraid of dieing?" Her mother responds "No, i'm about to find out the big secret, who is right." As a former JW I hold on to that knowing if Jehovah is a loving god he will understand that it is hard for one to determine who is right or who has the truth.
How about not being told before you get baptized that if you choose to no longer believe it to be the truth that you will be shunned by everyone in the org. including your own family
I don't remember being told that ahead of time. Thank you Lloyd for all you do to bring truth to the untruth!!
How can someone be oblivious to the shunning process before they get baptised Kathy ? I am not being pedantic because I don't know how much interaction there is between JW's and those coming into the faith before they get baptised ? Surely they attend meetings at the halls even prior to being baptised ? They must see or hear some of the attitudes and actions taken against people who challenge or leave the org ? Or do the JW's make sure that those that show potential to be baptised are kept away from the shunning and disfellowshipping processes ?
@@1414141x I see your point, Chris. And I do think there are many scenarios in each congregation and each person getting baptized.
But I do think it’s the same as every new relationship, the Org puts it’s best foot forward and doesn’t show the ugly side until you are to far in.
I don’t think they completely hide the disfellowshipping process, but it’s kind of like getting married, you never think at that moment you will get divorced so you just don’t let yourself think what can go wrong bc you don’t think you will ever be in that position.
But the most tragic to me, is when you see the ones getting baptized, it’s most generally young ppl. I mean REALLY young ppl like 8-16yrs. They depend heavily on this age group and I’ve never heard it discouraged from the platform.
How can they let these young children make this heavy of a decision when they are literally children? Very upsetting.
Trapped in child sex abuse situations that are so traumatized that they can not say they have lived a safe satisfying fulfilling life.
They lie and excuse the lie.
Thank you Lloyd!! You're simply the best at making these sushis. I hope you are making progress in your journey to wellness. Take good care❤
I like how everyone laughed at "delusional".. reminds me of flat earthers who laugh at 'water sticking to the outside of a ball'.
They totally leave out the fact that they as a organization would not stop talking about the book Millions Now Living Will Never Die
Ha ha ha, 1920 millions... 2022 all dead.
And now conveniently (though utterly deceitfully) they rewrite that title as 'Millions now Living MAY Never Die. Even that sad retraction is still hopelessly false though, unfortunately, will still persuade the poor and gullible.
Miss u. Light and love to u and your family
Tony says, "They were not just sitting around, waiting for the end. They always had projects that kept them busy in Jehovah's service, goals in personal study and preaching, and helping others. They were full of purpose and joy." -- Yes, they may have felt that way, but that feeling doesn't correspond to any reality, instead it's as unreal as a dream, but they have learned to accept JW-appearance style ( It's not a "Life" style, is it? ) as True Life (TM)☣. They manage to suck every last bit of life out of every thing they redefine in GB approved terms, as "true love", "true joy", etc.
Maybe this is why my grandpa left, and his dad. Broken promises of an future paradise!
Incredible to see TPT literally admitting the truth, then making surprisingly weak arguments for why it’s all good.
Sorry what is TPT?
@Gerson Leal Of course silly me. I think that this is a bit of an American obsession. Did you know that in public swimming pools in France all male bathers MUST wear very tight fitting swim trunks?
@@jamesbovington8218 I definitely think it’s a personal kink with Tony.
Some type of repressed, personal issue.
Sad thing is his random personal opinion expressed to the ones in Organization, effects millions.
Hmmm so it doesn't come true but it's still The Truth.
JW logic
They had their helpers write those letters and shuffled them around to solidify the delusion cus they ain’t got no friends…🤮🤦🏾♀️🤣
So glad I did not bring anyone into this evil cult.
Although WT recruitment is stagnant the way the WT delivers it’s content is key to its success of acquiring membership. Calm, sincere and genuine in nature to appeal to heart and mind. Wonderful salesmanship. Engineered content that some call propaganda where I call a weapon to trap minds and hearts for their end. Thank you for a well articulated video on this Lloyd. Your efforts are much appreciated. 😊
Yep you nailed it. They've built up a community that gives a lot of people faith and hope and "rational" reasons for dedicating their lives to their nonsense. JWs of course aren't alone in this but really their methods are quite impressive.
So well said. Thank you so much. Did me so much damage. Was in for about 19yrs.
It is an evil cult. Did me so much damage. Have been out for nearly 7 and a half yrs. Thank you Lloyed.
Don't you think we need Jehovah to act .otherwise we shall destroy our wonderful planet .apart from each other..
@@janetkimber8022 Are you in the faith?
"It means you've been conned"
Great Job Lloyd 👍
Lots of love to you and your family. I hope things are looking better / clearer for you xx
20 years ago, I made these same points to my brother Jeff Sprankle (who’s an elder) and he responded with “okay, so we’re all going to die, maybe Armageddon won’t come as promised, at least I have good friends I can trust”. Sad, he never got to go to college, he never had a satisfying career, he and his wife never had children, and his “friends” are just as diluted has he is. Pathetic.
Lloyd, miss you man, your interactions with all of us and especially those that are looking and need help. I hope you are well and take care.
I swear I can see the whiskey leaking out of Antmo's face.
For me who lived thru the death of my Mom and Dad it is not the fact that they believed they would see the end of this world and never die. I mean they had been told this since 1973. It is ok to have your faith, the problem for me was along with this faith you are to have nothing else. My parents died pennyless. They had nothing for themselves in their old age. I believe there are thousands of older jws who never planned out their older years. The burden never falls on the Charletans who told them big stories. It falls on family, and friends. We are the ones who hear of disappointment, regrets, and many times bear the financial responsibility. I believe unlike the leaders of the watchtower you can have faith, and still look out for yourself and your wants and needs Because let's be real Fred Franz and all his pals nor the current group and its members are going to come set at the side of your dying family and offer support emotionally, monetarily, or anything else. So sad!
After 65 years all my loved ones have firmly believed the end was near.
Seeing one after another of very faithful servants who never married as the end is near.
Never had children as it would be so cruel to take a baby though Armageddon is it so near.
Yes all these faithful servants always living their lives firmlu believing the end was near obeying every commandment from The Governing Body who set a firm time to so we knew the end was near.
I can't imagine how this is going to go down for the Good For Nothing Slaves.
What a waste of life it is almost a sin to Jehovah for not living a full and useful family life as he intended.
I believe my generation are waking up to all the lies and failed predictions only to have their families used as blackmail, yes blackmail their family's and life as we know it are held by ransom not to a God but to 8 men.
Over the years I have seen it all but to me this Governing Body are doing a splendid job showing us who they truly are...
THANK you for shutting down the "even if it's not true it's the best way of life" bullshit. I remember, clear as a bell, an old friend of mine who was a ministerial servant in the early 2000s, making that statement from the stage. He was wonderful company.....he was also closeted. A few years later, finally, he admitted the truth about his sexuality and was of course disfellowshipped. I was still indoctrinated at the time, so shunned him along with everyone else. HARDLY the best way of life.
How do you manage to let a belief from a cult control your natural humanity towards a friend ? I don't understand how you can do it. You must have initially thought 'this is not a correct thing to do' before you decided to join the flock and shun your friend.
@@1414141x for those of us that were totally in and now have woken up, it does seem ridiculous that we shunned friends and family for even small infractions such as smoking.
But at the time, they have you convinced that you are doing the shunning out of love. And that if you shun the person they will realize their wrongdoing and turn around and repent and come back to the Flock.
You never stop to think that it’s a blatant control tactic to hold your friends and family hostage. I honestly have even heard it said, by elders, that if you continue to associate with a disfellowshipped one, that you don’t truly love them bc you are not helping them get back in Jehovah’s good graces and they will lose their eternal life.
Of course, I realize how ridiculous this sounds now but believe me you have to be in to understand.
Hindsight is 20/20
Behold I show you a cult leader right here.
I must say just latley the gb vids are sounding rather desperate
I think Morris is mentally out of this ridiculous cult, the angst of which could possibly explain his drinking.
Problem he's got is that he's on a nice little number & can spend most of his days swigging whisky & flicking playing cards into a top hat, all that's not easy to give up.
What a thing though if all that were true & he defected....
I would like to go up to NY and see what him and his wife do all day....
No wonder he always looks so down in the dumps ,He’s stopped beleiving his own lies
Yes, I was thinking something very similar. I mean JF Rutherford used to drink like a fish and that's when he went out in his backyard and had these wild day dreams and delusional ideas about housing the men of old in his mansion when they were resurrected, etc etc. I think Tony Morris is ALSO a lush and is suffering from PTSD from his military days and the cult dynamics before he got to the top. It seems a bit too much for him. The man looks completely miserable and sounds like walking death! You can almost visibly see the hate he has for almost everything and everyone and the self loathing in his face and you can certainly hear it. The thrill is gone for him but he'd be crazier than he already is to give up his cake position!! (that's likely what he's thinking/feeling)
Living a blind lie believing it all “worthwhile”!
You have to be totally desperate or completely bedridden to continue sinking into the lies of this society.
Thanks Lloyd. I sincerely hope that you will come back in great shape and even stronger than today. Come back quickly before this company disappears so that we can still benefit from your relevant analyzes. Rest well and come back to us soon.
That anonymous"friend" is called Mcallan.
These comments from Tony Morris the Turd directly contradict Stephen Lett’s comments at the start of the pandemic about being the last of the last days. It’s like Tony knows the end ain’t happening, but he’s still trying to convince JWs to remain in the org and send him more whiskey 🥃 money.
Nice to see you back again Lloyd
Work for the organization clean the halls you payed for don't have children don't reach the full potential god gave you .give us money even if your poor . Than we sell the hall you built and payed for and we keep the cash .
Crazy indeed, and life goes on. Millions will continue being 'organized'.
It is so sad that they wasted a lifetime hoping for something that was never coming in their lifetimes. Worse is all the things they DIDN'T or COULDN'T accomplish because they were so damned "busy" doing "spiritual works for Jehovah". Many of these people have cut off their non JW or former JW family members they will never talk to again for the rest of their lives! Even at the end of this, he is doubling up on the "wait and see" narrative. I guess some of these people will never learn. I have tried waking up my own sister and when things don't line up for her, she choses to think that she is not supposed to know why. She just keeps putting faith in it anyway.
This religion kidnaps peoples minds . It’s very hard for some people to wake up from it . They watchtower uses propaganda to indoctrinate its members . Instead of arguing with your sister I would suggest you try watching some movies with her , movies are like propaganda too , maybe she will see the light . My 3 movies are equilibrium by Christian bale , Truman show by Jim Carrey and silence by Liam neeson. Movies are the best way you can get your sitter to doubt without coming off as an apostate . Don’t criticize the religion because it makes them become more defensive . Good luck with your sister, I hope she wakes up.
Ol’ Tony is promulgating a “Schrödinger’s cat” end-prophecy: it is both untrue (“The end will not come before I die.”) and true (“The end _will_ come ...soon.”). Yes, but not now. Yes, but not yet. Yes, but later. No./Yes. It is, essentially, an unfalsifiable doctrine - as long as the date remains fluid.
Not only false prophets... But false prophets who profit.
That's sad, waiting on a delusion & the only thing that ends is their lives...how is it good & productive when it's living a lie?
Agree 😊👍❤️💋💯
Bloody hell Tony is looking bloated
Love your name and pic! 🤣
And yes I agree. TM is all blown up like a 3day old dead fish.
laughing 😂 so hard my sides hurt , what does this mean ? It means you've been conned 😂
Lloyd will be back!! This channel is too valuable and the most highly professionally produced Ex- Jw channel on RUclips, imo. He can literally retire with this channel from the income. Take your time and get well Lloyd.
Interesting that Deut 18:20, 21 uses the word presumptuous regarding false prophets, and back in 2015 at the ARC...Geoffrey Jackson says it would be presumptuous to assume that they are God's one true mouthpiece...and also theyve admitted theyre infalliable and uninspired 🤔🤦♀️...and yet if you don't listen to the GB, the consequences are pretty severe...
Facts ☺️👍❤️💋💯🙏🙏🙏
Oh I say and I say again, ya been had, ya been took, ya been hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray, run amok and flat out deceived......Malcolm X
They endlessly talk about "the faithful slave" but almost NEVER Jesus and not even Jehovah as often as the "faithful slave"
I am going to make a LONG comment later on...but please let me start with this one: Did you notice how at the beginning Uncle Tony mentioned a few times "long time supporters of the FS"? I finally (today) figured this all out..I always what to know not only what happened buy WHY it happens(ed). After watching those last 2 videos on the resurrection...IF we did not/do not recognize (or told not to recognize) that faith and expression in JESUS gives us everlasting salvation (as JW claim) then there is a need for other medium/belief. That is where FDS comes in.......Because (as they say) we cannot depend on Jesus' death (per the last few videos about resurrection) ....we need FDS. So now there is a need for them. However, IF we believe in what the Bible says about resurrection and justification ALL we need is JESUS and belief in Jesus...and no need for FDS.
Morris doesn’t look like a faithful slave. He looks FULL, sure, but not of faith… full of whiskey so he slurs his voice. Slaves don’t travel first class by plane either, and they usually dress in rags, so faithful slave is a bit of a misnomer. Mafia boss sounds better.
The real end times will begin when Tibor is not gracious.
I watched this video twice. This should be world shattering news !! Tony Morris, on behalf (no doubt) of the leadership of the watchtower society , HAS FINALLY CAPITULATED ! He announced that if the end never comes, he “doesn’t feel he’s been deluded”……he says : it doesn’t matter if I see the end….I HAD A FULL AND SATISFYING LIFE…DELUDING OTHER PEOPLE. ….I COUNTED EVERY MINUTE AND EVERY HOUR DOING SO…. My reward was a regular supply of my favourite whiskey and that was good enough for me. Lloyd after quoting Deuteronomy where the OT God makes it clear what he normally does with charlatans like Morris, you said : “I am not advocating the Governing Body be executed. “. Yea sure , Lol…. We can all read between the lines…!
Not only that but how can we be sure we won't step in panda poop, and if that happens it won't be paradise!
Is that the boozing one of the GB?
"It means you've been conned."
Summes up religion quite nicely.
Right to the heart of JW falsehoods well done Lloyd. I hope your going OK.
Keep Exposing Watchtower LIES and Overwhelming Hypocrisy
I deeply appreciate your content
Stay alive till 2025! 🙈If Tibor is gracious...
It will gradually change to 2035, then 45, and so on…
@@cassandrasmom 2075 anyone?
Stay Alive till 2026 when Ramopo is complete and will also still be useful in the "new world." Apparently some will still be mining coal and metals for electricity, some will be rocket scientists to build and launch satellites for worldwide internet access, there will be machinists and laborers for woks and log cabins, electricians to make a grid and hook up to it....seriously this is getting laughable
I can’t stand these guys, specially tony morris . How can they live with themselves, lying to so many and practically destroying ,in most cases ,the best part of their lives? I wasted 33 years of my life to this organization, too late to go to college; too late to undo the damage I did to my own children. I feel such repulsion towards this people, I can’t help it. But I’m free, at least.
He trying to convince himself of the BS
I can never remember what the faithful slave is! Will someone please remind me? Forgive me, I know I should have this down by now, but it’s all so bizarre and difficult to get all the crazy pieces situated in my mind.
They change their definitions to fit their narrative but I think now they are saying the “faithful & discreet slave” is the 8 members of the Governing Body.
I could be wrong, I’ve been out awhile.
Missing you Lloyd, hope you are feeling better than a month ago. Take as long as you need, looks like your following is not suffering in numbers.
Never give into the sunk cost fallacy
Lloyd thanks for shining a light on wt BS! Oh ya Tony can put on a
laugh at the bloopers & talk about not regretting all the wasted yrs
but meanwhile we filled our kids brains with terror & nonsense! Their
lives at school a nightmare! Cutting short their education a disaster!
Why does Tony seem drunk?
Cuz he most likely is drunk!🤷🏾
My comments are always long...sorry about that: 1. Notice how at beginning how Uncle Tony says how they (supposedly) said how they supported FDS...not Jesus or Jehovah? 2. I'll bet that either those 2 letters were fabricated or Uncle Tony put a few of his own words in them. 3. (I am still mad at the last video of Uncle Tony "mocking" the ones who (were obedient) by agreeing what was written in Life Everlasting book and Awake, etc.). I, and no other JW at the time needed Uncle Tony to tell us to keep on the watch...How many parables that Jesus give with those words (the one with the 10 virgins comes to mind)...but Uncle Tony is going to mock the ones who went along with FDS (what did Tony say, "they were guilty"....I would like to know specifically, what Uncle Tony thought they were guilty of?). 4. That first letter....yeah they thought the end was near because that is what they (we) were told!! I was really surprised that they didn't say that "they were obedient to Jehovah" or something like that. I do not have a problem with a person remaining obedient, or doing the best he can to serve Jehovah. If that is what you want to do, great. That is no the issue here. The issue is, for some reason, as you say Lloyd, TM is using this platform to discuss this issue (of the end not being here). There must be a reason for it. 5. Yeah right...I am reading and studying Jeremiah right now...what Uncle Tony is comparing himself to Jeremiah (ask any JW IF FDS is "like" Moses or Jeremiah" and they will not give you a straight answer.) Yeah Lloyd you are right..."leading productive lives" is a terrible reason. Does Uncle Tony (or anyone else) think that it was so easy in Jeremiah's day...to "just listen"...there were false prophets...the kings did not listen to Jeremiah, etc. I would say, not many folks from Isaiah through Jeremiah were "saved" from the destruction of Jerusalem. 6. When they start up street witnessing again....ask them about 1975 and, as one told me....that "it was all by the publishers....they had overanxious exuberance". 7. What is Uncle Tony trying to prove, to rationalize about the 1975 and "the generation"...I see what he is trying to do....make it look like it is all their (our) fault...that WT/FDS didn't have anything to do with it....and just deal with it. PS: And what about Steven Lette's rant on the "last of the last days". Which is it Uncle Tony? (I do not know why "They" just don't come clean and admit the wrongdoing and move on). PS; And I still do not understand WHY attempting to foretell the future is so important? 8. You are right too...I am not saying I would not ever have got baptized, however, WE were threatened that, if we KNEW about Jehovah and wasn't baptized AND Armageddon came, that we would be destroyed. 9. I need to stop watching TM videos...I really cannot stand that guy.
Just endure till the end of your great, great ,great, great ,great, great children's lives. Justin porter ex jw
How and why did I ever believe any of this bs????!!!! Wtf?? That goes for any religion. With all due respect.
The other day I asked my dentist who is delightful young Muslim girl. I said to her 'If you were not brought up in any faith be it Islam or Christianity etc and someone tried to convince you today that there was an omniprescent, all powerful being watching and controling everyones life down to if people died or lived' would you accept it ? She couln't answer me.....
They must not remember that the Bible says that God hates liars.😪
I lost it at Pandas and watermelons"
Lloyd - great job! You’re doing a wonderful service to people who are victimized by this organization and may not know of any other resource for an objective and alternate view than searching on public media. Don’t stop what you’re doing and keep fighting the good fight!!
Woah.. how is he gonna tell his mom anything? Is she also part of the 144000? He won't be able to leave heaven to come materialise infront of her on earth!
I think this is exactly the reason why most peoaple stay in toxic enviroments : they trust , they don't belive. they trust family, traditions, uniforms. it's a false sense of security and forgiveness.
if they only new it's nothing to forgive , and if there is bringing someone with you to salvation dosen't mean your not alone in this life time! sacriface the next life and improve the one you have.Choose forgivness in this lifetime !
I was being called twice a week by an elder when the pandemic broke outafter being inactive for 10 years and got nothing. It felt good that someone cared until he apologized for bothering me because he was told he had to. He eventually cut to once a week then a text only then nothing.
" It means you've been conned " !!! ...Classic !
Lots of great talks and many valuable contributions from viewers.
It's has been as if my culmination point in cult control understanding.
Thks to yr. channel..
They sound like suicide notes
How sad. They waists people life... They live in fear and on the watch off all negative things that happen in the world. So they dont see the beauty of this life. How far technology has come.ets... This is cruel.
EXTREMELY depressing!!!
Its about time they apologize and stop lying about their predictions.
It will NEVER happen! You're asking for the IMPOSSIBLE from full blown maniacal NARCISSISTS!!
It means ....wasted lives
El tío Toni volvió a por macallan
CHOOSE LIFE, AND LIVE!
Lmao when you said “ You’ve been conned! Love ya Lloyd. ❤️Sandy.
I wish I could go tell my 2sisters and mother (73yrs) it's all bs.... And unfortunately mother you gave up 50 yrs of your life for nothing since 1975
IVE SEEN THIS FIRST HAND. MY GRANDFATHER FOUND THE TRUTH IN 1930. HE WAS FAITHFULL TO THE END.SAME AS MY MOTHER. ITS VERY SAD HOW FUCKED UP THIS CULT REALLY IS
No one knows day nor hour! Simple
My grandmother would kill me if I watch this
Always been fascinated how Christians gaslight the fact that literally nobody in the Bible was a Christian, yet they speak of them as though they shared a common belief. Everyone of note in the Bible was Jewish, including Jesus and his followers. Not Christian… Jewish.
Thanks, thanks form a JW
The Hamster Wheel
They need to acquire quick cash flow so focused on emptying the estate of the dying off faithful slaver. The shareholders make profit from gaining the estate goods of the generation that are not dying over but it would mean bad light, be dying off all faithful slaves churches... Aka new light.
If they can keep it going long enough the world will end eventually proving them correct