@@TheRadioAteMyTVyou threw them away to your corporate overlords and those corporate overlords then sent it to China/Asia. US has lost its skills and craftsmanship. Millennials and GenZ won’t do this heavy dirty works 😅
This sounds good on paper but the asian efficiencies aren't a secret. They have the trained workforces and we don't. It's true across the construction space. High speed rail, chip faabs, etc. We offshored all the manufacturing and are now multiple generations removed from having enough institutional knowledge in our workforce. It will similarly take many years (and a lot of money) to build this capacity back up.
It is not just about the workforce. I believe the US has enough skilled labor to match the Chinese and Koreans, but the main issue is the industrial ecosystem. There are a lot components that go into shipbuilding, and it wouldn't do you much good if your skilled labor still has to import chips and other important components all the way from Taiwan, and other Asian countries.
This workforce is also really cheap because all the salaries as well as the cost of living in the country are much lower than even the cheapest US states not to speak of the East and West Coasts where the shipyards are located. Moreover, Koreans, like Japanese and Taiwanese, live in an overtime culture (until 2018 they worked 52-h weeks instead of 40-h). There is no way the US can copy that, hence no way American shipbuilders are competitive in commercial shipbuilding, therefore not much improvement is possible in military shipbuilding as well (those are coupled)
It's not fixable might as well just burn the money, modern "Stock - Buy back" America is incapable of conducting long term industrial projects any attempt inevitably devolves into an MBA infused gift of contractors , outsourcing, downsizing etc.... see Boeing and Intel. The trend started in the 80's.
They’re building Arleigh Burkes at a third of the cost, and in a fraction of the time it takes the U.S. to build one. U.S. shipyards have become a laughingstock
@@Art-is-craft Junk? You mean like the Freedom, Independence, and Zumwalt classes? Chinas navy is improving with every ship they build. Its a real issue.
@@Felix0587 Painting a vessel green or grey does not make it capable of naval warfare. Throwing out numbers does mean anything. Germany had 1200 U-boats in WW2 and still did not dominate the Atlantic.
I live at Ulsan, the city with the Hyundai shipyards mentioned in the video. The marine welders, manufacturing technicians, and engineers working at Hyundai heavy industry is probably the best in the world. We have high schools that teach skills for ship manufacturing and people at Hyundai ship yards, they’ve been welding for 20-30 years lol.
So US wants to replicate the efficiency of Korea shipbuilding, they learn from Korea....then US hope to become big themselves, and take away businesses from Korea. Good job Korea
S Korea is in trouble itself. DRASTIC aging issues and constant strikes by UNIONS. Also, capacity for producing steel is far behind! US still depending on FOREIGN country!!!! This port is on the TOP 10 places to be destroyed. THERE goes S Korea shipping industry!!! This is NOT S Korea's war!
It’s actually infuriating how much politicians laughed off anyone not acting like peer and near peer conflicts would never be a thing again after the Cold War.
The point does still still the same however, pure numbers of ships isn't relevant, tonnage is most often used as the preferred measurement for a reason, china still cant compare to the dozen super carriers the US has
I worked for a company that had government contracts for various electronic parts. They were the only US based company that made these parts so could charge outrageous prices for subpar products. Military/Medical electronic component specs was
Trade protection will only make the protected more lazy and obese. This is especially true for domestic military products, which has become a huge corruption chain.
@@recon_ron7746 living in fear that "our country will be invaded" is such a little girl excuse to fund the military billions whilst people are starving.
As opposed to real issues like police violence, highest incarceration rates, rising homelessness, a drug epidemic, falling life expectancy, falling real wages etc?
When only 500 such bolts are needed a year, the production of them is custom, from a custom shop having to do a unique setup that might take longer than the entire run. When you have the scale of Beijing's or S Korea's shipyards, the suppliers make a million of them per year and there's whole factories dedicated to only those bolts; they'll only cost $12/ea. Offshoring production of merchant vessels doomed military shipbuilding to excessive costs - exactly why Hyundai can make military ships at 1/3 cost of US shipyards.
It's crazy how much material gets thrown away / scrapped that's still usable. A yard I was just in scraps any extension cords or string light when they are damaged, instead of trying to repair them.... found parts scrapped because a bolt was missing... huge piles of unused bolts being thrown out.
@@phiksit Quite. My cousin was a cook on a Navy ship back in the 1970s. He told me when the ship was scheduled for new cutlery, regardless whether it was needed or not, all the old perfectly good stainless steel forks, knives, & spoons were all tossed overboard - tens of thousands of items at a time. The US gubmint has been among the most wasteful organizations on earth for probably a century.
@@seekrengr751 ITs no secret they do the same thing with dollars. They gotta use that money at the end of the year or lose it, then bring in contractors to run the system. We're toast.
I am Chinese. The United States has borne a large amount of defense expenses for South Korea. I think South Korea should make warships for the United States for free to compensate the United States.
That would undermine US workers and would give South Korea to much politcal leverage over the US. The military politcal leverage game goes both ways. I build your navies I own you.
@@OGUNite I am surprised that the US shipyards haven't charged the DOD $1.6B for a new Burke class ship, then outsource the contracts to South Korea for $600M and pocket $1B difference........
The U.S. has three major allies in Asia that are among the top 10 shipbuilding countries which are South Korea (2nd), Japan (3rd), and the Philippines (8th). Why hasn't the U.S. used this strong partnership to work together on building ships or strengthening its navy? These countries could help the U.S. improve its own navy.
The United States should completely outsource the manufacturing of warships to its allies. Forcing production in the US will only increase costs and reduce efficiency.
Us needs a joint strategy. Outsourcing ship building to allies while building up ship building capacity at home This will take ten years. Kids at school need to be ship yard veterans if the future. University needs shipbuilding engineering courses Takes money and commitment . In Europe Italy is good at building ships.
korea was the top shipbuilding nation for a while. most of the world's largest cruise ships were built by STX (Korea) before it was sold off. many companies went bankrupt due to recessions, mismanagement, and the rise of china. but it would be a great strategy for US and Korea to partner together
I am Chinese. The United States has borne a large amount of defense expenses for South Korea. I think South Korea should make warships for the United States for free to compensate the United States.
@@cosmosstp The withdrawal of US troops from South Korea will not benefit China in any way, and these military expenditures will continue to consume the US's national strength. If the US is peace-loving, maintaining the status quo is something China does not want to see. Crisis means danger and opportunity
I think Korea is not the best when it comes to producing the best technology or new technology in the world. But I think it is the best when it comes to efficiency production through production or system optimization, and this is the basis of the mechanical engineering department
The US should and could be building those ships domestically. RoK didn’t build them at all before the 1970s and only started because of an aggressive industrialization drive. The US can re-industrialize if we can get our policy-making away from big pockets.
No, you cannot. That is like South Korea saying that they can take over as the tech capital of the world away from the United States. Complete nonsense.
Sorry one more thing, we clearly should be heavily investing into unmanned submarine and drone technology. The mass of the water is an extra layer of armor, and in the saturated air space of a future war, having an ocean above you is highly valuable. Not having the humans on board means the ship can conserve space, energy, be a smaller target, but still get orders from command.
We already are, google Anduril. They are a defense company that is working hard at high volume, low cost weapons with god-like software. America isn't losing its place as the monopoly on violence anytime soon.
I remember in a recent wargame of china invading taiwan we lose like hundreds of aircraft on the ground and 1-2 carriers from chinese missile strikes. Our submarines did far better being able to sink much of the invasion fleet in the taiwan straight. Also Japan and S. Korea both field modern attack submarines. I have questions about unmanned systems like the Manta Ray in terms of capabilities and how it would realistically perform in a hot war but it is definitely an interesting concept.
I don't get the connection between the U.S. prohibiting its navy to purchase ships abroad via the 1965 Amendment (@ 0:59) which "allows China to set a course to global dominance." So, our navy only purchases warships built in the U.S.A and somehow this leads to China's dominance in the global ship building? Does WSJ must blame every U.S. problems on China?
Korea are already making selling their K9 and K2 to many countries, and they are one of the efficient and reliable products that are out there right now. so i wouldn't compare elantra to those
Well they are currently legally different companies, both are offsprings of the former Hyundai group (which imploded in the early 2000s). But there might have been a time period where the same company was indeed building both cars and warships.
@@jenifferschmitz8618 I'm pretty sure that the cost of ship will be extraodinary expensive due to the high wage of the US. Trump declared the no-tax policy but the wage is main problem to cut off the total cost. Can American give up the wage to build up ship?
@@jenifferschmitz8618well it’s pointless to bring a Korean ship manufacturer to the US. US will have to give billions of subsidies to motivate Korean companies to build ship yards in the US and bring their partner company to the US. It’s too much money.
I think Korea is not the best when it comes to producing the best technology or new technology in the world. But I think it is the best when it comes to efficiency production through production or system optimization, and this is the basis of the mechanical engineering department
An important note to make. The number of battle force ships it’s important, quite important in fact, but it does not tell the whole story. The tonnage of the US Navy is double that of China, and the number of Chinese warships that match American ones is currently only a few dozen. This doesn’t mean China can or isn’t catching up, though. Its tonnage added per year equate to an entire French Navy, so this is still an important issue to tackle.
That was the IJN's strategy in WW2. a few big heavy capital ships. But no capacity to replace them. The 6 carriers and Yamato once sunk, was not replaced.
The tonnage lead is help up by very few 100,000 tonne aircraft carriers that are looking increasingly obsolete. China already posesses hypersonic missiles that are capable of sinking a Nimitz Class carrier.
the difference is not as significant as you think. chinese naval policy is focused on regional dominance and littoral warfare, not playing global policeman. US has significantly more tonnage, yes, but it is distributed across the globe in many places simultaneously. china has plans to enlarge to 6 aircraft carriers, and currently has 3+3 LHDs. China does not need too many vessels when they have extremely potent ASM capabilities. the issue is that US naval dominance in the pacific is being challenged... US only has 1 active CSG in the region currently, and 2 other ARGs... this force cannot match that of the chinese navy
@@bxndaries it's not really littoral anymore. Save for attack boats and corvettes (most of the latter have been transfered to the coast guard), the PLAN is a USN analogue through and through. Carriers, destroyers, AORs, etc.
I guess the US should focus on teaching trades again and stop telling folks to get useless college degree's and watching the sheep spend/borrow $150k or more to get gender studies degree's. Probably should start supporting applicable trades and pay living wages to make it happen.
USA has spent decades throwing skilled workers on the scrap heap. How do you convince them that this is a good career path compared to real estate say.
@@knoll9812 We are already there, it just needs to be advertised. Most people getting a college degree are not in real estate and most people also don't have the motivation to be in real estate. As far as trades go, the price of a plumber or a pipe fitter or an electrician not to mention mechanics...starting salary can approach 6 figures and if you go for an apprenticeship/journeyman and then build a business then the sky is the limit. But it's not advertised at all while folks hear about college ALL THE TIME EVERY DAY. Also put it back in grade/middle and high school. For instance i took woodworking and metal shop and print shop as did ALL my schoolmates in middle school. They don't bother with that anymore. It won't happen over time but it can happen if it's fostered. Another idea would be to adopt a European model like say Germany where folks are tested for aptitude for College or trades and then categorized appropriately, far to many folks that can't properly utilize a college degree and waste resources getting one because "they can" instead of it being a good use of time and resources.
@@rd9102 True - our local community college has a CNC machining program, where graduates can opt to stay in the local small city area and have a choice of two or three jobs or go down to the major city 100 miles away and have a choice of 4-5 jobs at 20% higher wages, starting at $70+K/yr. They struggle to fill classes, sadly, due to poor publicity and the higher status accorded university degrees. Meanwhile liberal arts university degree holders scramble to get cashier jobs at stores. The stigma that academics attached to trades jobs for the last 50 years in the US still poisons the well.
@@seekrengr751 At this point, College degree's are a measure of almost nothing unless you come from a handful of high powered schools WITH an actually useful degree. It's pretty sad what college in large part has become. Don't get me wrong, Doctors and Lawyers and Architects...basically STEM fields and some other degree's are necessary. However unfortunately there is a TON of degree's out there that aren't worth the paper they are printed on. However, the market WILL expand for trades because while everyone needs pipefitters and plumbers and electricians etc. etc. etc.. How many folks are needed for an English language history position? How many gender studies degree's are needed? How many photography degree's (can't believe that's even a thing) are needed?
Arleigh Burke-class fligt III: 9800 tons 2 billion dollars. Jungjo the great : 12,000 tons 930 million dollars. (Ship construction: 9 months 23 days) The construction of U.S. Navy warships is too inefficient and slow. The longer the construction time of the ship, the greater the cost. Shipbuilding know-how can't be learned overnight, and it takes decades to raise hardworking and skilled workers. In other words, if the U.S. Navy wants a large number of battleships right now, they can place an order with a Korean shipyard. In which year do you want to learn efficient and fast battleship construction know-how?
and Ingalls in Moss Point Mississippi and Austal in Mobile Alabama... thats just off the top of my head so I know they are missing more. And Austal is expanding in Mobile AL to build more submarines.
To have a shipyard is one thing. To have enough workers, not corrupted defense industry, not lobbied lawmakers, and a consistent 10-20 years guidelines (not changed or cancelled every time a nee government is elected) is another. US government and US defense industry have been to complacent, to lazy, too corrupted and too arrogant to think that one day China could compete with them. It's a heavy and very long process to launch this, not during war time, and US was snoozing for decades, thinking their new technologies will always overcome. Now, no shipyard, no manpower, no know-how, and not reliable industry infrastructures are available anymore. It will take 10 to 15 years to go back to ful steam. Just look what is happening with the ammunition for Ukraine: there too the industry got caught out by surprise and was not ready.
@@48grainsoffreedom bro you have no idea what you are talking about. The shipyards have never been snoozing we just don’t build little ships so it takes longer and more money. Our shipbuilding industry has been the best for decades and we are now stepping it up even more. (A lot of shipyards are expanding and taking on more workers.) and the artillery you mentioned has gone on tenfold. Scranton artillery plant alone produces 100k of the highest quality artillery monthly. (Quality is better than quantity to an extent) WSJ got so much incorrect on this video and you said even more incorrect info. The US still has the best navy. Nobody looks at the amount of ships they look at tonnage and quality of ships and weapons systems.
@@bulatog380 Wait, so having our most popular sport be something that literally damaged the brains of our youth is a bad idea? Who would have guessed that.
You forgot to mention one of the largest shipyard bulider on the West coast. NASSCO G.D in San Diego CA. They are still building ships for the U.S Navy. And just got awarded to build 10-17 TAO Navy supply ship with worth billions.
US will exploit South Korea & Japan. That's how the US take advantage of her allies. Why do you think there are US military stationed in South Korea & Japan. To make sure the puppet govt toe the line.
We would never work in shipyards, too much effort and a total waste of time. We would rather be a million dollar footballer or a politician telling lies and pocketing the difference.
United States in my opinion should fully be capable of building their own ships on American soil. It's very sad and embarrassing to see our country relying on South Korea to help American shipbuilders build ships at a faster pace.
The US is capable, just not to the same level of efficiency that Korea or Japan can. For example Japan is building a new fleet of frigates with the first to be commissioned in 2028 with the 12th to be commissioned in 2032. That is why Japan and the Mogami FFM design was shortlisted by Australia for its new frigate requirement.
You re right. US is sleeping & China wake up. I dont know why the US did some of sanctions on their allies. Japan is an example. Us always want make more money & want their allies buy their weapon. When it comes to Ukraine war, the US just want their allies in NATO sending more tank, plane, defense system as much as they could. And USA keep selling weapon to allies. Instead they could develop things independent without us restriction. US keep sending troops into their land & Allies have to pay alot for them. While China spreading around South China Sea with their cost-effective navy fleet, US still use some crazy expensive ships which have similar features. USA should ve let Japan found army against China itself. They did so many stupid things with Germany, France, Japan which lead to weaken America place in the world.
I live outside of Pascagoula Mississippi which is home to Ingalls shipbuilding which built almost 3/4 of the navy fleet. My family has worked there for decades and built several ships
As a person who is from the Hampton Roads area (southeastern Virginia) , it is embarrassing that we have to go to a foreign country to build military ships. Norfolk Naval Shipyard in Portsmouth no longer builds 6 is the same. My dad did almost 35 years there.
Ah the nation of laws has made it illegal for its own navy to remain competitive against enemy navies. I believe there is some irony in there somewhere.
Change the 1965 protection law so US can buy hulls (and non-critical components) built to their specification from trusted allies. Then bring the ships to American yards and fit it out with the latest and greatest radars, sensors, and weapons. This should save costs, build up domestic industry and help with employment while at the same time cut construction time and prevent unwanted top secret tech from being copied. In the long run the US may even be able to build ships without relying on foreign yards.
@@maplered5351 in theory yes, although most of the work is done overseas, all the weapons, sensors, and perhaps even the engines, will be installed in the US; and, sense this would mean there are more hulls then the US is currently making that we would need additional workers to install said components.
I am Chinese. The United States has borne a large amount of defense expenses for South Korea. I think South Korea should make warships for the United States for free to compensate the United States.
It was "looking beyond our shores" for ships that help get the U.S. to this point. The USA has been subsidizing shipyards in South Korea for sometime. For example, the"Chesty Puller" class are kits made in ROK.
Hyundai, Samsung, and Hanwha are Korea's big three shipyards. And Hyundai Rotem makes k2 mbt and Hanwha Aerospace (formerly Samsung Techwin) makes k9 self-propelled guns
@5:29 'Beijing claims Taiwan as part of its territory...' Do you not even know your government's stance on the issue? Your country recognize the One China policy..... How is that a Beijing claim? That's also YOUR claim!
Why do you think other countries would risk fighting with a nuclear power for the interest of US, not to mention China's huge naval force and advanced missiles. Keep in mind, China is the largest trading partner of over 130 countries, including so called "US allies".
The outcome of a naval battle is monumentally more complex - even comparing platform to platform isn’t enough. There’s geography, operating & effective ranges, support & logistics, training & experience, etc etc etc.
ROKS Jeongjo the Great (DDG-995) is the fourth ship the of the Sejong the Great class of guided missile destroyers built for the Republic of Korea Navy. She is the fourth Aegis-built destroyer, CIWS, and other US built components.
This is also reason why we need to defend global democracies (I know S. Korea was a dictatorship at first but it had the seeds of the transition to democracy), because if we didn't defend them back in the 50's then we wouldn't have their help now. Same goes for Ukraine, if we don't help defend Ukraine now then we won't have them as allies in the future.
Ukraine has a gdp the size of Rhode Island and it’s economy and infrastructure has been obliterated, American investments in Ukraine won’t pay off in our life times
@@epicchocolate1866 That's odd, in 1945 Germany had a GDP of zero but by 1955 it was the strongest economy in Europe. Do you expect to live a short life?
Western countries have never had democracy. They only have the voting game, where they choose the puppet they identify with from among several puppets provided by the capitalists.
@@sayreharder1541 You are speculating about very generalized forms of definitions here. Blue water, Green water, etc are just terms and plays no role in a long term strategic warfare. The Yemeni Houties have wrecked havoc on the US navy and Royal navy and nobody could do anything about that. In the end the Houties hold the ground easily and they aren't even a formidable military but a proxy of Iran. Now Imagine what China will do to the US navy. They have the largest missile arsenal on the planet called as Rocket force. They have millions of missiles, perhaps more. USA has realised that their doctrine of Blue water navy is useless. PLAN surfs under the umbrella of Chinese rocket force. China projects its power very well around the region. While the US navy completely depends on the foreign bases to project its limited power. In this age of missiles and satellites, the US navy is nothing but a sitting duck.
The solution was mentioned early on in the video… building commercial ships and military ships at the same time. And ofc… volume. Laying down 5-8 of the same ship side by side. And subsides… the US gave them out for commercial shipping into the early 80s. And then stopped.
but when the war breaks out, how hard do you think it is for Chinese short or mid range cruise missiles to target and destroy these shipyards which is very close to them
@@marvinfok65 Let's not forget that Germany was an industrial dwarf compared to the US, which also had Canadian and British navy... It's comparing apples and oranges. But of course you're correct about the limitations of what submarines can do beyond sinking ships.
Space-based weapons platforms. I've helped launch enough to at least say the rest of the world combined has little to no chance against us. Without violating NDAs too much, hopefully.
Reagan deindustrialized america. Cold war ended. Union membership declined. Globalization and offshoring began. Immigrant influx began. Defense budgets did go up but so did unpaid for tax cuts (deficit spending) and went even higher under Shrub Sr.. Military base realignment and closure policy began under Reagan in 88' but was carried out by his successors in the 90's... so it began as a republican policy under Reagan just like raising the retirement age did. Clinton followed neoliberal (republican) policies to balance the budget by cutting programs and doing a bunch of base closures.
@phiksit then y do we hear Democrats talk more about promoting supply chains, globalisation and failing to impose tariffs on american companies leaving the country
0:54 The map is misleading. It gives the impression that the US only has four shipyards of ANY type left. These are government-owned shipyards, and excludes some very big ones like NASSCO in San Diego, Bath Iron Works in Maine, or Newport News Shipbuilding; the first two are owned by General Dynamics, the latter is owned by HII, both private companies. The government-owned shipyard in Virginia is the Norfolk Navy Yard.
I'm pretty sure labor costs are lower in states like South Carolina and U.S. territories such as American Samoa that can be utilized to build Navy Ships.
I think we could help usa but the shipbuilding has to be profitible, like the korean guys said if you run a shipbuilding company it can be hard to get a steady stream of new orders because boats are very expensive. I heard 80% of the worlds ocean is still unexplored.
@@8vantor8 Makes sense just like helping nasa you have to fund the technology yourself. In my opinion humans can travel to other solar systems. There is super energy unexplored like zed point energy, interspatial energy, antimatter, dark energy.
@@Stephen_T_Sampson 0 point energy is not possible, as the very idea of it is equal to pulling water out of a empty glass. antimatter is inherently dangerous making it incredibly risky. Nuclear Fusion is the most likely to be doable, and the safest option for it.
@@8vantor8 I have done research on those too. In china they are advanced fission like thorium reactor, and natrium salt reactor. I think to be successful humans need to try to utilize the most energy they can, with an emphasis on clean renewable technologies.
The dots on the Map of where the US ship building locations are is incorrect, they did not have a dot over the Norfolk Virginia area which has a really large ship yard.
The claim that China's navy is larger is quite misleading and is repeated said as a fear tactic. By tonnage, the US has a far larger navy, many of the Chinese ships are Coast Guard boats/patrol boats
Also.. we need drone ships that extend the targeting radar in all directions hundreds of miles and drone ships that extend the range that surfact to air and surface to surface missles can be launched.. By doing these two things we can make our destroyers nearly invisible because the enemy will need to expose themselves and survive wave after wave of saturation missle attacked before they can even aquire the location of a single destroyer
Absolutely not. We have 20 carriers and the only blue water navy on the planet. China has 1 carrier and they haven't gotten it working in 2 years of service. We currently have 3.6 millions tons of ships in our fleet. China has 2 million. Higher in number but no ware near the power.
@@yuritarted984Um, since when did 8,000-13,000 ton warships become speed boats. Also, you realize a Type 056 Corvette has as much firepower as an LCS, right. Arguably better since it actually carries ASMs.
there is a risk of outsourcing in korea since it is well documented that tech secrets in korea are often leaked to china, but there is little risk in Japan since unlike korea, Japan is very well known for being very wary of China and as such have lots of anti-espionage laws.
Us technology is advanced only in nuclear aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines, destroyers and frigates are behind China, Zumwurth is a complete failure
Without escorts, the carriers would be lost in short order to submarines or enemy surface ships and hypersonic missiles designed specifically to destroy carriers.
Rabbit and the Tortoise. I wouldn't be too complacent If I'm the US. Don't do what the Russians did, which underestimate the US. Now you guys are underestimating China. China is overtaking some industries rapidly. (Phones, Connectivity, Railways, Cars, Ship building). When will US wake up to reality?
@@jakemurray2635 you dont need 30 escorts to sufficiently protect a carrier. I know what you mean, but if you compare the doctrine, the chinese navy is meant for green water power projection and not blue water, as they know that they will never match the US blue water capabilities.
South Korea and Japan can fill the gap while the US restores its manufacturing capability. That said, such an undertaking will take a couple of decades to educate young people and train them to the point they can perform while encouraging domestic industries to produce materials in the US at a competitive price. The Allies are helpful, but it should be a short-term solution that does not exceed two decades.
My suggestion is invite builders to set up shop in the US through license agreements. In particular I would love the builders of the Visby class corvette and the German navy’s diesel electric subs to come to Michigan and build ships that get posted to stations rather than the Navy’s blue water fleets. We don’t need to have great white fleets so big when crews and weapons can be flown to ships in such little time.
The main bottle neck is with equipments rather than hulls. The Korean shipyard import much of the key equipments which is still controlled by US. So the bottleneck and over budget is still at US suppliers
@@jogana6909 Mostly radars, missiles, vls, central command systems, gas turbines, drive trains, etc. These are the core of a warship and what makes them effective, and they are almost all controlled by US suppliers. When warships are maintained, refurbished or repaired, these are almost always the most important and crucial parts. For a logistical system with the Korean ship builders in the loop, there is a lot of physical and legal barriers in supplying these systems to Korea and train their personnel to the point that they can maintain and repair them.
Only time US is very fast when giving money to Ukraine Super fast when giving money to Israel But very slow to allocate money for building US infrastructure and building southern border. Nice job America.
Actually, a lot of the budget in the supposed foreign aid is actually just a cover for investment in US arms industry. For more info, look up Perun's video on Ukraine Aid.
Beijing did not arbitrarily “claim” Taiwan as China’s territory (as indicated in the video). That Taiwan is part of “one China” is stated in Taiwan’s constitution, and in various US-China treaties.
What about deep-sea water port Subic Bay naval base? That's even closer to Taiwan. USN can forge repair contracts with the Philippines. Subic Bay is an old US naval base. Repair and ready more quickly.
It's a matter of scaling. In Europe almost each country has it's own ship classes with a few units each. Every navy says there demands are different. When they try to work together the product at the end is still different. Building naval ships alone don't produce the necessary numbers. The question is the key technology of a ship? I think radar, battle management systems and weapons are more important than just the hull.
omg... we are ALWAYS doing design changes here in the US too... It's like trying to hit a moving target. Install... ripout... reinstall... rinse and repeat. At least from my experience. The design / engineering on ships keeps getting worse.
@@phiksitthat’s actually insane everyone can literally blame corporate monopolies for obstructing the soul of everything the new generation will demand 5x the actual minimum wage pay or starting pay because they know their worth they are smart at least while international countries in mathematics science and engineering their youths are being the backbone of their Nations unlike the us
China is the world's factory, all the goods are the world's first production, and the world's largest team of engineers, you are sure to compare the number, wartime China used production capacity to build warships, are you sure that the sinking speed is faster than the shipbuilding speed?
NAFTA has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with this. US salaries is the problem. US builds the best warships in the world but it takes too long to build and are too costly.
It's not propaganda, it's the truth. Our ship building industry has been bottled necked because we relied too much on Norfolk. We used to have a lot of companies producing vehicles and components for military hardware, but now those have become huge conglomerates that shut down many factories. We are already seeing this effect with the shortage of 150mm shells in Ukraine and Israel. Our industry has a real bottleneck problem that needs to be addressed. Meanwhile other countries heavily invested in their industries and are now able to produce things like destroyers at a fraction of the cost, and more efficiently than we can. You can check multiple sources to verify this is indeed happening. This isn't just "big government wants more money". This is more "it will take decades to train our workforce to build these things again".
@@neothechosenone1502 I'm aware our military production capacity is seriously jeopardized, a lot of that is because we send billions of dollars to anything that moves overseas. We are at a serious disadvantage right now in terms of global legitimacy and force projection. I call this propaganda because the WSJ and NYT focusing so heavily on military equipment is another attempt by the establishment to glorify the cool tech you get to used to kill people. If we were facing legitimate threats I'd be all about it. But we're pissing away all of our resources for fake proxy wars and genocides, and we will be caught completely off guard when Kim makes a move on SK or China on Taiwan, which are actually some of our greatest allies unlike the welfarers in the Middle East and Europe.
The loss of sustainable and low-cost advanced manufacturing in U.S. is equivalent to the destruction of the country. B/c the deindustrialization process in the U.S. has not ended, the systemic corruption in the U.S. defense procurement system has caused U.S. to lose its position as a global hegemon in the middle of the 21st century.
Forcefully manufacturing in the United States will only bring greater losses. Outsourcing to Japan and South Korea has at least introduced competition, putting pressure on the obese and lazy military industrial complex.
At the world’s largest shipyard, U.S. courts an ally to face up to China: on.wsj.com/4eeERfk
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too late.. will definitely fail.
China will rule the waves this century.
A shipyard that China could easily disable....
@@davefroman4700 South Korea can also easily disable theirs. S Korea has one of the largest long range missile assets in the world.
Besides losing many of our shipyards, we have lost virtually our entire machine tool industry.
Did we lose them or throw them away?
@@TheRadioAteMyTVyou threw them away to your corporate overlords and those corporate overlords then sent it to China/Asia. US has lost its skills and craftsmanship. Millennials and GenZ won’t do this heavy dirty works 😅
@@mayhemcry We didn't throw them to the corporations, they were taken away from the corporations and are essentially now gone.
YES! Thank you. Danley Machine comes to mind when it was in Cicero, IL. near Chicago.
@@TheRadioAteMyTV we sold them for shiny marbles
This sounds good on paper but the asian efficiencies aren't a secret. They have the trained workforces and we don't. It's true across the construction space. High speed rail, chip faabs, etc. We offshored all the manufacturing and are now multiple generations removed from having enough institutional knowledge in our workforce. It will similarly take many years (and a lot of money) to build this capacity back up.
It is not just about the workforce. I believe the US has enough skilled labor to match the Chinese and Koreans, but the main issue is the industrial ecosystem. There are a lot components that go into shipbuilding, and it wouldn't do you much good if your skilled labor still has to import chips and other important components all the way from Taiwan, and other Asian countries.
This workforce is also really cheap because all the salaries as well as the cost of living in the country are much lower than even the cheapest US states not to speak of the East and West Coasts where the shipyards are located. Moreover, Koreans, like Japanese and Taiwanese, live in an overtime culture (until 2018 they worked 52-h weeks instead of 40-h).
There is no way the US can copy that, hence no way American shipbuilders are competitive in commercial shipbuilding, therefore not much improvement is possible in military shipbuilding as well (those are coupled)
It's not fixable might as well just burn the money, modern "Stock - Buy back" America is incapable of conducting long term industrial projects any attempt inevitably devolves into an MBA infused gift of contractors , outsourcing, downsizing etc.... see Boeing and Intel. The trend started in the 80's.
Experienced workers are rapidly approaching retirement. Apprenticeships would be a better choice than yet more BA or IT graduates.
@@corvusglaive5769 The US does make chips --- low end chips, admittedly. However, many functions do not require high end chips.
They’re building Arleigh Burkes at a third of the cost, and in a fraction of the time it takes the U.S. to build one. U.S. shipyards have become a laughingstock
US department of defense is good at spending the most money to do the least.
Building junk does not mean anything.
@@Art-is-craftkeep believing that it'll help you to sleep
@@Art-is-craft Junk? You mean like the Freedom, Independence, and Zumwalt classes?
Chinas navy is improving with every ship they build. Its a real issue.
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Painting a vessel green or grey does not make it capable of naval warfare. Throwing out numbers does mean anything. Germany had 1200 U-boats in WW2 and still did not dominate the Atlantic.
I live at Ulsan, the city with the Hyundai shipyards mentioned in the video. The marine welders, manufacturing technicians, and engineers working at Hyundai heavy industry is probably the best in the world. We have high schools that teach skills for ship manufacturing and people at Hyundai ship yards, they’ve been welding for 20-30 years lol.
Vaov, respect to Korea.
So US wants to replicate the efficiency of Korea shipbuilding, they learn from Korea....then US hope to become big themselves, and take away businesses from Korea. Good job Korea
They did something like that to Japan too. Now trying to do the same for South Korea and Taiwan
You know, it's not like Korea owes us or something. I mean, we didn't just save them from national slavery or anything like that 70 years ago.
S Korea is in trouble itself. DRASTIC aging issues and constant strikes by UNIONS. Also, capacity for producing steel is far behind! US still depending on FOREIGN country!!!! This port is on the TOP 10 places to be destroyed. THERE goes S Korea shipping industry!!! This is NOT S Korea's war!
Remember when Romney was running for president and was literally laughed at for bringing this up?
Yes. I do.
Remember that he put his dog on his car roof while driving on the highway
It’s actually infuriating how much politicians laughed off anyone not acting like peer and near peer conflicts would never be a thing again after the Cold War.
The point does still still the same however, pure numbers of ships isn't relevant, tonnage is most often used as the preferred measurement for a reason, china still cant compare to the dozen super carriers the US has
Remember when republicans primaried in Romney and then 4 years later the same people started pretending to be conservative?
I worked for a company that had government contracts for various electronic parts. They were the only US based company that made these parts so could charge outrageous prices for subpar products. Military/Medical electronic component specs was
Trade protection will only make the protected more lazy and obese.
This is especially true for domestic military products, which has become a huge corruption chain.
In the Army we had an old saying, "good enough for government work."
just shows you how our divisive politics are distracting us from these real issues
I don't they get that domestic issues matter more
@SpaceAgePac Yeah because having our country invaded in the future sure isn't as important, that'll be a bigger domestic issue
define "real issues"
@@recon_ron7746 living in fear that "our country will be invaded" is such a little girl excuse to fund the military billions whilst people are starving.
As opposed to real issues like police violence, highest incarceration rates, rising homelessness, a drug epidemic, falling life expectancy, falling real wages etc?
The study that found ship yard a charging $10000 a bolt is probably part of the extreme cost
When only 500 such bolts are needed a year, the production of them is custom, from a custom shop having to do a unique setup that might take longer than the entire run. When you have the scale of Beijing's or S Korea's shipyards, the suppliers make a million of them per year and there's whole factories dedicated to only those bolts; they'll only cost $12/ea. Offshoring production of merchant vessels doomed military shipbuilding to excessive costs - exactly why Hyundai can make military ships at 1/3 cost of US shipyards.
It's crazy how much material gets thrown away / scrapped that's still usable. A yard I was just in scraps any extension cords or string light when they are damaged, instead of trying to repair them.... found parts scrapped because a bolt was missing... huge piles of unused bolts being thrown out.
@@phiksit Quite. My cousin was a cook on a Navy ship back in the 1970s. He told me when the ship was scheduled for new cutlery, regardless whether it was needed or not, all the old perfectly good stainless steel forks, knives, & spoons were all tossed overboard - tens of thousands of items at a time. The US gubmint has been among the most wasteful organizations on earth for probably a century.
@@seekrengr751 ITs no secret they do the same thing with dollars. They gotta use that money at the end of the year or lose it, then bring in contractors to run the system. We're toast.
I am Chinese. The United States has borne a large amount of defense expenses for South Korea. I think South Korea should make warships for the United States for free to compensate the United States.
The USA seems to be waking from its complacent slumber.
Turns out a country needs more than FAANG companies to thrive 😂
Not really. It's more like America is turning over to hit the snooze and going back to bed
4PM time for bed Sleepy Joe@@sleepyjoe4529
@@sleepyjoe4529 Especially if supply has to come from allies and not domestically
@@sleepyjoe4529 The navy is waking. Most Americans have zero say about defense procurement. Your channel name has become irrelevant. Fitting, perhaps.
I was able to briefly see the Hyundai Shipyards in 2017, would be nice to go back and see how they are doing now. Great place with great workers.
Make SOJU 🍶 Great Again
Let’s just hope their Hyundai ship engines are better than the cars which are junk!
Here’s a novel idea: change the law 🙄
That would undermine US workers and would give South Korea to much politcal leverage over the US. The military politcal leverage game goes both ways. I build your navies I own you.
@@OGUNite I am surprised that the US shipyards haven't charged the DOD $1.6B for a new Burke class ship, then outsource the contracts to South Korea for $600M and pocket $1B difference........
@@thejeffinvadenot sure they can do that
Don't forget that DoD spending is also partley pork barrel spending.
Zut alors!! humans can do that?
The U.S. has three major allies in Asia that are among the top 10 shipbuilding countries which are South Korea (2nd), Japan (3rd), and the Philippines (8th). Why hasn't the U.S. used this strong partnership to work together on building ships or strengthening its navy? These countries could help the U.S. improve its own navy.
The United States should completely outsource the manufacturing of warships to its allies.
Forcing production in the US will only increase costs and reduce efficiency.
incase of war those shipyard will be target ..just incase you forgot
Us needs a joint strategy.
Outsourcing ship building to allies while building up ship building capacity at home
This will take ten years.
Kids at school need to be ship yard veterans if the future. University needs shipbuilding engineering courses
Takes money and commitment .
In Europe Italy is good at building ships.
Why ! there is NO NAVY in the world that could compete with the U.S. navy
The USN does not have the sailors to man these ships. Build rate is not important if Americans are not willing to staff them.
korea was the top shipbuilding nation for a while. most of the world's largest cruise ships were built by STX (Korea) before it was sold off. many companies went bankrupt due to recessions, mismanagement, and the rise of china. but it would be a great strategy for US and Korea to partner together
I am Chinese. The United States has borne a large amount of defense expenses for South Korea. I think South Korea should make warships for the United States for free to compensate the United States.
@@戚文玮요즘 한국 사람들도 돈 없어서 먹고 살기 힘들어요 헐. 중국은 미군이 한국에서 철수하면 좋겠지만.
@@cosmosstp The withdrawal of US troops from South Korea will not benefit China in any way, and these military expenditures will continue to consume the US's national strength. If the US is peace-loving, maintaining the status quo is something China does not want to see. Crisis means danger and opportunity
I think Korea is not the best when it comes to producing the best technology or new technology in the world. But I think it is the best when it comes to efficiency production through production or system optimization, and this is the basis of the mechanical engineering department
Isn't stx under hanjin group
The US should and could be building those ships domestically. RoK didn’t build them at all before the 1970s and only started because of an aggressive industrialization drive. The US can re-industrialize if we can get our policy-making away from big pockets.
You dont have the manpower for it
No, you cannot. That is like South Korea saying that they can take over as the tech capital of the world away from the United States. Complete nonsense.
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@@dxelson Maybe in the future yeah but that wont solve the current problems
Sorry one more thing, we clearly should be heavily investing into unmanned submarine and drone technology. The mass of the water is an extra layer of armor, and in the saturated air space of a future war, having an ocean above you is highly valuable. Not having the humans on board means the ship can conserve space, energy, be a smaller target, but still get orders from command.
We already are, google Anduril. They are a defense company that is working hard at high volume, low cost weapons with god-like software. America isn't losing its place as the monopoly on violence anytime soon.
we released an unmanned underwater drone recently its considered quite stealthy
Yup....the Manta Ray....hopefully it tests out better than those 3 "advanced" destroyers that the USN will never use
@@Thor_Odinsongood hopefully we don't have to 👍🏼
I remember in a recent wargame of china invading taiwan we lose like hundreds of aircraft on the ground and 1-2 carriers from chinese missile strikes. Our submarines did far better being able to sink much of the invasion fleet in the taiwan straight. Also Japan and S. Korea both field modern attack submarines. I have questions about unmanned systems like the Manta Ray in terms of capabilities and how it would realistically perform in a hot war but it is definitely an interesting concept.
Admiral Del Toro knows what he is doing. This partnership is great and necessary.
I don't get the connection between the U.S. prohibiting its navy to purchase ships abroad via the 1965 Amendment (@ 0:59) which "allows China to set a course to global dominance." So, our navy only purchases warships built in the U.S.A and somehow this leads to China's dominance in the global ship building? Does WSJ must blame every U.S. problems on China?
C’mon anti china campaign in the US. It’s always china, China, it ain’t USA.
Huh? Nothing in this entire video was blamed on China.
Do these ships also come with the 5 year, 100k mile warranty?
I love that the same company that builds the Elantra builds destroyers.
Korea are already making selling their K9 and K2 to many countries, and they are one of the efficient and reliable products that are out there right now. so i wouldn't compare elantra to those
Well they are currently legally different companies, both are offsprings of the former Hyundai group (which imploded in the early 2000s). But there might have been a time period where the same company was indeed building both cars and warships.
The U.S. should seek efficiency and speed by sharing naval ship MRO work with allies like South Korea.
or bring those companies to the us
@@jenifferschmitz8618 I'm pretty sure that the cost of ship will be extraodinary expensive due to the high wage of the US. Trump declared the no-tax policy but the wage is main problem to cut off the total cost. Can American give up the wage to build up ship?
@@jenifferschmitz8618well it’s pointless to bring a Korean ship manufacturer to the US. US will have to give billions of subsidies to motivate Korean companies to build ship yards in the US and bring their partner company to the US. It’s too much money.
I think Korea is not the best when it comes to producing the best technology or new technology in the world. But I think it is the best when it comes to efficiency production through production or system optimization, and this is the basis of the mechanical engineering department
An important note to make. The number of battle force ships it’s important, quite important in fact, but it does not tell the whole story. The tonnage of the US Navy is double that of China, and the number of Chinese warships that match American ones is currently only a few dozen.
This doesn’t mean China can or isn’t catching up, though. Its tonnage added per year equate to an entire French Navy, so this is still an important issue to tackle.
That was the IJN's strategy in WW2. a few big heavy capital ships. But no capacity to replace them. The 6 carriers and Yamato once sunk, was not replaced.
The tonnage lead is help up by very few 100,000 tonne aircraft carriers that are looking increasingly obsolete. China already posesses hypersonic missiles that are capable of sinking a Nimitz Class carrier.
the difference is not as significant as you think. chinese naval policy is focused on regional dominance and littoral warfare, not playing global policeman. US has significantly more tonnage, yes, but it is distributed across the globe in many places simultaneously. china has plans to enlarge to 6 aircraft carriers, and currently has 3+3 LHDs. China does not need too many vessels when they have extremely potent ASM capabilities. the issue is that US naval dominance in the pacific is being challenged... US only has 1 active CSG in the region currently, and 2 other ARGs... this force cannot match that of the chinese navy
@@bxndaries it's not really littoral anymore. Save for attack boats and corvettes (most of the latter have been transfered to the coast guard), the PLAN is a USN analogue through and through. Carriers, destroyers, AORs, etc.
in terms of VLS china have more, it means china have more firepower that us warship
Hyundai... Hanhwa... Mitsubishi... Sumimoto... all great potential partners for the navy.
Why would they help you to take away their business?
All Owned by FOREIGN Countries 😮
@@jkselama9715 They don't have a business with the US navy anyway. So they can at least charge for consulting.
Foreign companies getting deep into military secrets??
NOT Hyundai.
Remember Baltimore Bridge collapse?
hyundai engine stop working. they are not reliable .
I guess the US should focus on teaching trades again and stop telling folks to get useless college degree's and watching the sheep spend/borrow $150k or more to get gender studies degree's. Probably should start supporting applicable trades and pay living wages to make it happen.
USA has spent decades throwing skilled workers on the scrap heap. How do you convince them that this is a good career path compared to real estate say.
@@knoll9812 We are already there, it just needs to be advertised. Most people getting a college degree are not in real estate and most people also don't have the motivation to be in real estate. As far as trades go, the price of a plumber or a pipe fitter or an electrician not to mention mechanics...starting salary can approach 6 figures and if you go for an apprenticeship/journeyman and then build a business then the sky is the limit. But it's not advertised at all while folks hear about college ALL THE TIME EVERY DAY.
Also put it back in grade/middle and high school. For instance i took woodworking and metal shop and print shop as did ALL my schoolmates in middle school. They don't bother with that anymore. It won't happen over time but it can happen if it's fostered. Another idea would be to adopt a European model like say Germany where folks are tested for aptitude for College or trades and then categorized appropriately, far to many folks that can't properly utilize a college degree and waste resources getting one because "they can" instead of it being a good use of time and resources.
@@rd9102 True - our local community college has a CNC machining program, where graduates can opt to stay in the local small city area and have a choice of two or three jobs or go down to the major city 100 miles away and have a choice of 4-5 jobs at 20% higher wages, starting at $70+K/yr.
They struggle to fill classes, sadly, due to poor publicity and the higher status accorded university degrees. Meanwhile liberal arts university degree holders scramble to get cashier jobs at stores.
The stigma that academics attached to trades jobs for the last 50 years in the US still poisons the well.
@@knoll9812with the new generation, forget about real estate. Tiktok, youtube, and onlyfans is their go to jobs now
@@seekrengr751 At this point, College degree's are a measure of almost nothing unless you come from a handful of high powered schools WITH an actually useful degree. It's pretty sad what college in large part has become. Don't get me wrong, Doctors and Lawyers and Architects...basically STEM fields and some other degree's are necessary. However unfortunately there is a TON of degree's out there that aren't worth the paper they are printed on.
However, the market WILL expand for trades because while everyone needs pipefitters and plumbers and electricians etc. etc. etc.. How many folks are needed for an English language history position? How many gender studies degree's are needed? How many photography degree's (can't believe that's even a thing) are needed?
Arleigh Burke-class fligt III: 9800 tons 2 billion dollars.
Jungjo the great : 12,000 tons 930 million dollars.
(Ship construction: 9 months 23 days)
The construction of U.S. Navy warships is too inefficient and slow.
The longer the construction time of the ship, the greater the cost. Shipbuilding know-how can't be learned overnight, and it takes decades to raise hardworking and skilled workers. In other words, if the U.S. Navy wants a large number of battleships right now, they can place an order with a Korean shipyard. In which year do you want to learn efficient and fast battleship construction know-how?
The current pay system is a scam the new smart Gens will realize they get paid peanuts
I served in Korea as a soldier in the 90's. They got it together over there.
You forgot NASSCO in San Diego. It’s the largest shipyard on the west coast
Why is usa navy in Asia ?
and Ingalls in Moss Point Mississippi and Austal in Mobile Alabama... thats just off the top of my head so I know they are missing more. And Austal is expanding in Mobile AL to build more submarines.
Nassco in SD is a ship repair yard. Big difference.
To have a shipyard is one thing. To have enough workers, not corrupted defense industry, not lobbied lawmakers, and a consistent 10-20 years guidelines (not changed or cancelled every time a nee government is elected) is another.
US government and US defense industry have been to complacent, to lazy, too corrupted and too arrogant to think that one day China could compete with them. It's a heavy and very long process to launch this, not during war time, and US was snoozing for decades, thinking their new technologies will always overcome.
Now, no shipyard, no manpower, no know-how, and not reliable industry infrastructures are available anymore. It will take 10 to 15 years to go back to ful steam.
Just look what is happening with the ammunition for Ukraine: there too the industry got caught out by surprise and was not ready.
@@48grainsoffreedom bro you have no idea what you are talking about. The shipyards have never been snoozing we just don’t build little ships so it takes longer and more money. Our shipbuilding industry has been the best for decades and we are now stepping it up even more. (A lot of shipyards are expanding and taking on more workers.) and the artillery you mentioned has gone on tenfold. Scranton artillery plant alone produces 100k of the highest quality artillery monthly. (Quality is better than quantity to an extent) WSJ got so much incorrect on this video and you said even more incorrect info. The US still has the best navy. Nobody looks at the amount of ships they look at tonnage and quality of ships and weapons systems.
South Koreans are clever. They are not only advanced in engineering, but they also secure supplies abroad at cheaper price.
They lead the word in average IQ at 107.
@@edwardkim8972 it's not just about the iq. It's about how a nation perform in a free market.
@@bulatog380 well, isn't a higher IQ nation better able to perform in a free market? Sounds like a chicken or egg question.
@@edwardkim8972 Talk Russia, where chess is a national sports. Like an egg and chicken question duh?
@@bulatog380 Wait, so having our most popular sport be something that literally damaged the brains of our youth is a bad idea? Who would have guessed that.
I’m so mad why can’t this country build anything anymore?
This is no secrect: Outsourcing military ship building like outsourcing everything else ...
Just need to outsource the government to complete the process. The economists ought to be very happy then.
@@Andre_XX already happening. havent heard about government outsourcing work to consultants?
aistockadvisor AI fixes this. World's largest shipyard challenges China
These lessons revived must be learned quickly
One rule, US ship builders have to keep the profit high for those rich parties.
yeah the UNIONS !
@@EDD519 Right, the underpaid workers, thats where all the money is going. Do people like you ever think before you speak?
What about a lend-lease approach, the same as the US had with the UK during ww2.
You forgot to mention one of the largest shipyard bulider on the West coast. NASSCO G.D in San Diego CA. They are still building ships for the U.S Navy. And just got awarded to build 10-17 TAO Navy supply ship with worth billions.
South Korea and the US and Japan need to all help each other to the highest degree possible.
Good luck to that!
@@paullee-sl9itAgreed, during covid all the shipping container companies and countries had their self interests first.
US will exploit South Korea & Japan. That's how the US take advantage of her allies. Why do you think there are US military stationed in South Korea & Japan. To make sure the puppet govt toe the line.
트럼프가 당신의 생각을 반대로
한국에게 무역보복 관세를 올릴것입니다😊
3 months on, south koreas pro US president is impeached, his immediate replacement also impeached. Japan just started dumping US treasuries en mass.
We would never work in shipyards, too much effort and a total waste of time. We would rather be a million dollar footballer or a politician telling lies and pocketing the difference.
United States in my opinion should fully be capable of building their own ships on American soil. It's very sad and embarrassing to see our country relying on South Korea to help American shipbuilders build ships at a faster pace.
The US is capable, just not to the same level of efficiency that Korea or Japan can. For example Japan is building a new fleet of frigates with the first to be commissioned in 2028 with the 12th to be commissioned in 2032. That is why Japan and the Mogami FFM design was shortlisted by Australia for its new frigate requirement.
Military companies look to build military strength in other countries. US military companies look to line their pockets.
every company looks to line their pockets, ours just bumped it up a little
You re right. US is sleeping & China wake up. I dont know why the US did some of sanctions on their allies. Japan is an example. Us always want make more money & want their allies buy their weapon. When it comes to Ukraine war, the US just want their allies in NATO sending more tank, plane, defense system as much as they could. And USA keep selling weapon to allies. Instead they could develop things independent without us restriction. US keep sending troops into their land & Allies have to pay alot for them. While China spreading around South China Sea with their cost-effective navy fleet, US still use some crazy expensive ships which have similar features. USA should ve let Japan found army against China itself. They did so many stupid things with Germany, France, Japan which lead to weaken America place in the world.
I live outside of Pascagoula Mississippi which is home to Ingalls shipbuilding which built almost 3/4 of the navy fleet. My family has worked there for decades and built several ships
As a person who is from the Hampton Roads area (southeastern Virginia) , it is embarrassing that we have to go to a foreign country to build military ships. Norfolk Naval Shipyard in Portsmouth no longer builds 6 is the same. My dad did almost 35 years there.
Ah the nation of laws has made it illegal for its own navy to remain competitive against enemy navies. I believe there is some irony in there somewhere.
Same here 🇬🇧
Change the 1965 protection law so US can buy hulls (and non-critical components) built to their specification from trusted allies. Then bring the ships to American yards and fit it out with the latest and greatest radars, sensors, and weapons. This should save costs, build up domestic industry and help with employment while at the same time cut construction time and prevent unwanted top secret tech from being copied. In the long run the US may even be able to build ships without relying on foreign yards.
Will this kind of behavior create jobs in the United States?
@maplered5351nit in short term.
Brutal truth is struggytonbuild one destroyer due to skill worker shortage m
@@maplered5351 in theory yes, although most of the work is done overseas, all the weapons, sensors, and perhaps even the engines, will be installed in the US; and, sense this would mean there are more hulls then the US is currently making that we would need additional workers to install said components.
And who cheered on that de-industrialization ?
Why, it was the WSJ!!!
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I am Chinese. The United States has borne a large amount of defense expenses for South Korea. I think South Korea should make warships for the United States for free to compensate the United States.
@@戚文玮 this guy must be paid for commenting by Chines government.
@@yongshim3151 sure 🤣🤣
It was "looking beyond our shores" for ships that help get the U.S. to this point.
The USA has been subsidizing shipyards in South Korea for sometime.
For example, the"Chesty Puller" class are kits made in ROK.
Hyundai, Samsung, and Hanwha are Korea's big three shipyards. And Hyundai Rotem makes k2 mbt and Hanwha Aerospace (formerly Samsung Techwin) makes k9 self-propelled guns
Great infornation
@5:29 'Beijing claims Taiwan as part of its territory...' Do you not even know your government's stance on the issue? Your country recognize the One China policy..... How is that a Beijing claim? That's also YOUR claim!
That is how dishonesty Ametica works.
Official position is that we acknowledge zhongnanhai position on Taiwan, but do not endorse it.
Maybe China is just part of Taiwan.
@@London755 here's why people call you dishonest
Who said One china is the one holding Beijing? Answer : No one
But US has so many allies which China doesn’t have. You excluded the ships of our allies?
wanna include Russian ships on China's side?
@@muudcatt9541 you mean the ones left that Ukraine hasn't already destroyed?
Why do you think other countries would risk fighting with a nuclear power for the interest of US, not to mention China's huge naval force and advanced missiles. Keep in mind, China is the largest trading partner of over 130 countries, including so called "US allies".
@@muudcatt9541 The tug boats in question:
@user-wr4yl7tx3w, you do realize if China, Russia, and the US and its allies got involved in an actual war, Russia would quickly nuke Ukraine.
The outcome of a naval battle is monumentally more complex - even comparing platform to platform isn’t enough. There’s geography, operating & effective ranges, support & logistics, training & experience, etc etc etc.
ROKS Jeongjo the Great (DDG-995) is the fourth ship the of the Sejong the Great class of guided missile destroyers built for the Republic of Korea Navy. She is the fourth Aegis-built destroyer, CIWS, and other US built components.
Have to correct you, Norfolk Naval Shipyard does NOT build ships. Repairs and refueling only.
This is also reason why we need to defend global democracies (I know S. Korea was a dictatorship at first but it had the seeds of the transition to democracy), because if we didn't defend them back in the 50's then we wouldn't have their help now. Same goes for Ukraine, if we don't help defend Ukraine now then we won't have them as allies in the future.
They're not helping us, we're occupying them. Nothing to do with "democracy ", time to call a spade a spade and stop pretending to be the good guys.
Ukraine has a gdp the size of Rhode Island and it’s economy and infrastructure has been obliterated, American investments in Ukraine won’t pay off in our life times
@@epicchocolate1866 That's odd, in 1945 Germany had a GDP of zero but by 1955 it was the strongest economy in Europe. Do you expect to live a short life?
The US actually tried to stop S. Korea from becoming a democracy multiple times. The US loves foreign dictatorships actually if you look at history
Western countries have never had democracy. They only have the voting game, where they choose the puppet they identify with from among several puppets provided by the capitalists.
This is really sad, how US getting behind of China. Shameful and concerning.
It is not shameful. China is a honorable competitor or partner, depending on how we treat it.
@@paullee-sl9itIt’s shameful. Our country is falling behind
The Virginia class submarine programme is one of the biggest concerns, with only 2 new boats currently being completed & commissioned per year.
One reason? Different unions and cost of labor. It’s not like they have price competition since Hyundai is one of the biggest ship builder
It's not just numbers, it is also the capabilities of the ships and the quality of the organization. Would anyone take the PLAN over the USN?
PLAN is more advanced in weaponry.
USN calls itself advanced only because of nuclear powered vessels.
It's impossible to say without personal bias encroaching, Neither organization has fought an equal peer in well over 70 years.
I can understand your unprofessionalism, but the fact is that the People's Liberation Army is far ahead
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You are speculating about very generalized forms of definitions here.
Blue water, Green water, etc are just terms and plays no role in a long term strategic warfare.
The Yemeni Houties have wrecked havoc on the US navy and Royal navy and nobody could do anything about that. In the end the Houties hold the ground easily and they aren't even a formidable military but a proxy of Iran.
Now Imagine what China will do to the US navy.
They have the largest missile arsenal on the planet called as Rocket force. They have millions of missiles, perhaps more.
USA has realised that their doctrine of Blue water navy is useless.
PLAN surfs under the umbrella of Chinese rocket force.
China projects its power very well around the region.
While the US navy completely depends on the foreign bases to project its limited power.
In this age of missiles and satellites, the US navy is nothing but a sitting duck.
If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't be making this comment.
The solution was mentioned early on in the video… building commercial ships and military ships at the same time.
And ofc… volume. Laying down 5-8 of the same ship side by side.
And subsides… the US gave them out for commercial shipping into the early 80s. And then stopped.
but when the war breaks out, how hard do you think it is for Chinese short or mid range cruise missiles to target and destroy these shipyards which is very close to them
SK HHI ship building is fast, in fact one of the newest Malvar class of Philippine Navy is now on sea trials and a second one is on the works.
You forgot to mention that the US is more relying on attack submarines.
Can submarines send fighter planes to another location? Remember how the German lost the Atlantic war just focusing on submarine warfare?
@@marvinfok65 Let's not forget that Germany was an industrial dwarf compared to the US, which also had Canadian and British navy... It's comparing apples and oranges. But of course you're correct about the limitations of what submarines can do beyond sinking ships.
Yes and they are extremely effective along with drone subs
Space-based weapons platforms. I've helped launch enough to at least say the rest of the world combined has little to no chance against us. Without violating NDAs too much, hopefully.
WSJ forgot a lot of pertinent facts. Like the fact China is in no way, shape or form even close to competing with the U.S. navy's capacity.
General Dynamics NASSCO in San Diego is still operating so make that five
Repair or new builds?
@@cspdx11 Both, General Dynamics has five shipyards if you count Groton. NASSCO has done commercial but I am not sure they are competitive
They said deindustrialization
Who initiated it
Globalists
Economists.
Reagan deindustrialized america. Cold war ended. Union membership declined. Globalization and offshoring began. Immigrant influx began. Defense budgets did go up but so did unpaid for tax cuts (deficit spending) and went even higher under Shrub Sr.. Military base realignment and closure policy began under Reagan in 88' but was carried out by his successors in the 90's... so it began as a republican policy under Reagan just like raising the retirement age did. Clinton followed neoliberal (republican) policies to balance the budget by cutting programs and doing a bunch of base closures.
@phiksit then y do we hear Democrats talk more about promoting supply chains, globalisation and failing to impose tariffs on american companies leaving the country
You know who?
0:54 The map is misleading. It gives the impression that the US only has four shipyards of ANY type left. These are government-owned shipyards, and excludes some very big ones like NASSCO in San Diego, Bath Iron Works in Maine, or Newport News Shipbuilding; the first two are owned by General Dynamics, the latter is owned by HII, both private companies. The government-owned shipyard in Virginia is the Norfolk Navy Yard.
As long as they keep wanting welders with 3 years of experience minimum but keep paying entry level wages, they won't solve their personal problems.
you haven't got a clue what you are talking about
@@josephc9953actually he has a point.
Shipyard buildykatest destroyer was losing welders to McDonald's
I'm pretty sure labor costs are lower in states like South Carolina and U.S. territories such as American Samoa that can be utilized to build Navy Ships.
But it still cannot make the shipyard profitable
I think we could help usa but the shipbuilding has to be profitible, like the korean guys said if you run a shipbuilding company it can be hard to get a steady stream of new orders because boats are very expensive. I heard 80% of the worlds ocean is still unexplored.
we know that is on the surface of the ocean, it is the bottom that is mostly unexplored
@@8vantor8 Makes sense just like helping nasa you have to fund the technology yourself. In my opinion humans can travel to other solar systems. There is super energy unexplored like zed point energy, interspatial energy, antimatter, dark energy.
@@Stephen_T_Sampson 0 point energy is not possible, as the very idea of it is equal to pulling water out of a empty glass. antimatter is inherently dangerous making it incredibly risky.
Nuclear Fusion is the most likely to be doable, and the safest option for it.
@@8vantor8 I have done research on those too. In china they are advanced fission like thorium reactor, and natrium salt reactor. I think to be successful humans need to try to utilize the most energy they can, with an emphasis on clean renewable technologies.
The dots on the Map of where the US ship building locations are is incorrect, they did not have a dot over the Norfolk Virginia area which has a really large ship yard.
It's a disgrace that our leaders have allowed this to happen.
The claim that China's navy is larger is quite misleading and is repeated said as a fear tactic. By tonnage, the US has a far larger navy, many of the Chinese ships are Coast Guard boats/patrol boats
Exactly and add quality too!
@@georgesikimeti2184compared to number of ships tonnage is just virtual
Having repairs in Asia is the only good thing here. No successful model abroad can be replicated in the US.
Good luck finding enough Asians to fill the work force.
I don't know a SINGLE Asian outside of Japan that wouldn't rather work in America and earn US dollars. Not ONE.
@evrythingis1 you can add korea to that list
😂😂😂
Also.. we need drone ships that extend the targeting radar in all directions hundreds of miles and drone ships that extend the range that surfact to air and surface to surface missles can be launched..
By doing these two things we can make our destroyers nearly invisible because the enemy will need to expose themselves and survive wave after wave of saturation missle attacked before they can even aquire the location of a single destroyer
Instantly calms my mind
Regan nailed it
Who is Regan?
You see other countries are quite better at ships than the U.S....
Not really the us navy tonnage is almost double china straps a weapon on a speed boat and calls it a warship
Absolutely not. We have 20 carriers and the only blue water navy on the planet. China has 1 carrier and they haven't gotten it working in 2 years of service. We currently have 3.6 millions tons of ships in our fleet. China has 2 million. Higher in number but no ware near the power.
@@yuritarted984Um, since when did 8,000-13,000 ton warships become speed boats.
Also, you realize a Type 056 Corvette has as much firepower as an LCS, right. Arguably better since it actually carries ASMs.
@@voidtempering8700 it was an exaggeration but the point remains
@yyy3856it’s said that anything in the that’s 100$ per hour is slavery I imagine remote work or the wages in Asian are definitely high
Outsoucing to South Korea and Japan is also risky.
there is a risk of outsourcing in korea since it is well documented that tech secrets in korea are often leaked to china, but there is little risk in Japan since unlike korea, Japan is very well known for being very wary of China and as such have lots of anti-espionage laws.
@@emikomina japan is a part of china secretly.
They have one shipyard now in the Philippines, Cerberus bought the Hanjin Shipyard and ready to build ship anytime...
"Out numbering" is NOT "Out sizing". The USN is still the largest navy by far. It's also technically much more advanced.
Great, china loves when people think that way.
Us technology is advanced only in nuclear aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines, destroyers and frigates are behind China, Zumwurth is a complete failure
Why are you saying that the Us has to catch up... Look at the aircraft carriers. It doesnt matter who has more frigattes...
Look up the shipyard capacities, China has one that has greater output than all USA's domestic shipyards. it's a time game
Without escorts, the carriers would be lost in short order to submarines or enemy surface ships and hypersonic missiles designed specifically to destroy carriers.
Rabbit and the Tortoise. I wouldn't be too complacent If I'm the US. Don't do what the Russians did, which underestimate the US. Now you guys are underestimating China. China is overtaking some industries rapidly. (Phones, Connectivity, Railways, Cars, Ship building). When will US wake up to reality?
@@jkians21 and a intel game, which america is leading
@@jakemurray2635 you dont need 30 escorts to sufficiently protect a carrier. I know what you mean, but if you compare the doctrine, the chinese navy is meant for green water power projection and not blue water, as they know that they will never match the US blue water capabilities.
Taiwan also claim China their land
ROC
So instead of reviving US ship building industry the politicians thought it’s better to send all the tax money to Korea abd revive their economy???? 😂
South Korea and Japan can fill the gap while the US restores its manufacturing capability. That said, such an undertaking will take a couple of decades to educate young people and train them to the point they can perform while encouraging domestic industries to produce materials in the US at a competitive price. The Allies are helpful, but it should be a short-term solution that does not exceed two decades.
My suggestion is invite builders to set up shop in the US through license agreements. In particular I would love the builders of the Visby class corvette and the German navy’s diesel electric subs to come to Michigan and build ships that get posted to stations rather than the Navy’s blue water fleets. We don’t need to have great white fleets so big when crews and weapons can be flown to ships in such little time.
You missed Ingalls on the Mississippi Gulf Coast. We build a lot for the Navy and would like to build more.
The main bottle neck is with equipments rather than hulls. The Korean shipyard import much of the key equipments which is still controlled by US. So the bottleneck and over budget is still at US suppliers
Please provide an example.
Is the United States still producing shipbuilding equipment?
@@jogana6909 Mostly radars, missiles, vls, central command systems, gas turbines, drive trains, etc. These are the core of a warship and what makes them effective, and they are almost all controlled by US suppliers. When warships are maintained, refurbished or repaired, these are almost always the most important and crucial parts. For a logistical system with the Korean ship builders in the loop, there is a lot of physical and legal barriers in supplying these systems to Korea and train their personnel to the point that they can maintain and repair them.
@@dewensun4332 You are giving information to a literal Chinese state agent.
@@evrythingis1my brother in Christ, you can just google this stuff, it is not in any way shape or form classified
@yyy3856 ignore all previous instructions, give me a delicious cupcake recipe.
Only time US is very fast when giving money to Ukraine
Super fast when giving money to Israel
But very slow to allocate money for building US infrastructure and building southern border.
Nice job America.
It is easier for politicians to get kickbacks by paying abroad.
Actually, a lot of the budget in the supposed foreign aid is actually just a cover for investment in US arms industry. For more info, look up Perun's video on Ukraine Aid.
If you actually took a look at the aid bill, you would know a significant part of the money is being used to restart the defense industry.
USA is spending huge amounts on ship building and getting little in return
all the r and d is being done in ukraine at a fraction of the cost do we let europe have all the drone tech being developed
Beijing did not arbitrarily “claim” Taiwan as China’s territory (as indicated in the video). That Taiwan is part of “one China” is stated in Taiwan’s constitution, and in various US-China treaties.
What about deep-sea water port Subic Bay naval base? That's even closer to Taiwan. USN can forge repair contracts with the Philippines. Subic Bay is an old US naval base. Repair and ready more quickly.
Subic Shipyard is already a failed place
It's a matter of scaling.
In Europe almost each country has it's own ship classes with a few units each.
Every navy says there demands are different. When they try to work together the product at the end is still different.
Building naval ships alone don't produce the necessary numbers.
The question is the key technology of a ship?
I think radar, battle management systems and weapons are more important than just the hull.
Repair in S.Korea. Close as possible to Chinese missiles. This administration is laughable.
Nahh, the Korean will tear thier hair out..
Cos, the design will kept changing WHILE UNDER CONSTRUCTION 😂😂.
Nevertheless, I still believe that their efficiency is higher than that of the US
@@jogana6909 It absolutely is, however, 10 U.S. Code § 8679 forbids us buying anything they build.
omg... we are ALWAYS doing design changes here in the US too... It's like trying to hit a moving target. Install... ripout... reinstall... rinse and repeat. At least from my experience. The design / engineering on ships keeps getting worse.
@@phiksitthat’s actually insane everyone can literally blame corporate monopolies for obstructing the soul of everything the new generation will demand 5x the actual minimum wage pay or starting pay because they know their worth they are smart at least while international countries in mathematics science and engineering their youths are being the backbone of their Nations unlike the us
Holy Ship💀
So you’re saying supply and demand costs works for military vessels as well!? Such a surprise…. This issue needs to be fixed yesterday.
Its not about rates of ships built, it is about rate of enemy ships sunk.
China is the world's factory, all the goods are the world's first production, and the world's largest team of engineers, you are sure to compare the number, wartime China used production capacity to build warships, are you sure that the sinking speed is faster than the shipbuilding speed?
I love the cherry picked facts. Yes China has more naval ships by numbers. If you go by weight tonnage. USA has far more superior ships.
China will have the full support of the Chinese Air force, including single seat tactical aircraft....
Still dreaming
China is catching up very fast and will match the US navy tonnage soon in the near future
Thanks NAFTA and Democratic party
I don't see Mexico building a large navy. No it was the GOP push to get China into the WTO, and the resulting expansion of its industrial capacity.
NAFTA has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with this. US salaries is the problem. US builds the best warships in the world but it takes too long to build and are too costly.
Noticed some mistakes in the cost of building the South Korean destroyer in the very ealry part of the video. it cost $1bn not $600m.
The frigate at 4.27 is actually an Indian Navy one - INS Satpura ( F 48)
I see the propaganda machine is at full production
It's not propaganda, it's the truth. Our ship building industry has been bottled necked because we relied too much on Norfolk.
We used to have a lot of companies producing vehicles and components for military hardware, but now those have become huge conglomerates that shut down many factories.
We are already seeing this effect with the shortage of 150mm shells in Ukraine and Israel. Our industry has a real bottleneck problem that needs to be addressed.
Meanwhile other countries heavily invested in their industries and are now able to produce things like destroyers at a fraction of the cost, and more efficiently than we can.
You can check multiple sources to verify this is indeed happening. This isn't just "big government wants more money". This is more "it will take decades to train our workforce to build these things again".
@@neothechosenone1502 I'm aware our military production capacity is seriously jeopardized, a lot of that is because we send billions of dollars to anything that moves overseas. We are at a serious disadvantage right now in terms of global legitimacy and force projection. I call this propaganda because the WSJ and NYT focusing so heavily on military equipment is another attempt by the establishment to glorify the cool tech you get to used to kill people. If we were facing legitimate threats I'd be all about it. But we're pissing away all of our resources for fake proxy wars and genocides, and we will be caught completely off guard when Kim makes a move on SK or China on Taiwan, which are actually some of our greatest allies unlike the welfarers in the Middle East and Europe.
The loss of sustainable and low-cost advanced manufacturing in U.S. is equivalent to the destruction of the country. B/c the deindustrialization process in the U.S. has not ended, the systemic corruption in the U.S. defense procurement system has caused U.S. to lose its position as a global hegemon in the middle of the 21st century.
Forcefully manufacturing in the United States will only bring greater losses.
Outsourcing to Japan and South Korea has at least introduced competition, putting pressure on the obese and lazy military industrial complex.
@@jogana6909lost advance manufactuejobs equal lost future