The Truth About Getting Your Kick and Bass PHAT
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
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In this video, I go over the theory behind getting your kick and bass to work. In our world of dance it really is simple, but many of us will overcomplicate this process or start off bad with badly selected kicks and basslines. If you get even 1 thing from this video... my mission is accomplished and I can get out of the GULAG!
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BASSROOM
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Volcano 3
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Pensado EQ
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Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:08 What Volumes Should The Kick or Bass Be?
03:07 Sidechains
05:51 WHY WE Saturate The Bass
08:30 How TO BOOST EQ Your Bass
10:00 Removing Frequencies on Bass
14:30 OPTIONAL Volcano 3
15:27 BASSROOM To END IT right
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Awesome, even knowing about this, it’s going straight into my mix/master playlist ✅
Insane wow. Thank u zen. Good tips❤
Thanks Zen! Great video as always.
Thanks for the love brother
Fantastic stuff! Really looking forward to the sub video. Also would be amazing to hear your thoughts on DnB sound design, production and mixing.
Saw Bassroom in the thumbnail. Great little plugin!
annnnd another bassroom tutorial - love this plugin. Always use it with a reference track with my favourite lowend.
Great video Zen.
I've heard so many different opinions when it comes to EQing the subs of your bass, some big time producers like to leave them since they will be felt (not so much heard) once the song is played in a big PA system, others like to remove them since it gives you more headroom.
I personally think that if the bass is well designed you probably don't need to EQ them. I've been using deceiver for a while now and I feel that most of your bass presets actually have the right amount of subs :)
Best Kick Bass video around. So simple.
Great video as always, Zen.
My biggest tip for bass is: buy Trilian. It's the perfect mix of analog and digital sounds and literally perfect for every dance genre that exists. Trilian is a god-damned machine!
Are you reading my Instagram conversations? lol Someone just recommended this to me. Been years since I've used that thing. Agree though it's fcking dope
Sound advice. Thanks
Happy you approve LETS GOO
thank you!!
you the goat fr 🐐
Yo @Zen very good tutorial!
Maybe an idea for the next one, can you explain about the rms volumes and how loud the kick and bass rms volumes should be and not only the peak?
RMS is trickier I usually use peaks to explain it to people with more tremendous success. I think there are some out there though.
The best of the best thank you
thanks Zen, What kind of headphones you use that have good lowend response ?
Nice
having a simple sine as sub under your bass can be so powerful.. its used a lot
This was a good video bro
Thanks man
Zen plsss make a video about this same process with kick bass + sub, would be super beneficial
Nice bro !! But i wouldnt use EQ Eight HP filter with low frequencies such as bass and kick. I recommend using an linear. Great Video!!!!!
You a beast! Thank You I'm getting wiser! I sometimes do stuff when I shouldn't I guess at a point I just went aaaahhh fcccckk it
@@ZenWorld no problem bro!! You help a lot of people in ways u cant even imagine. Thank you !!
what about pre rining with this low cut in EQ on kick?
Not sure if anyone else has this issue but for some reason the mid frequencies of my bass are always low in volume and my sub and kick relationship sound good with the rest of the track. However when when I try to open up the filter a bit or increase resonance to boost the cut, it lets in brighter frequencies that aren’t the vibe. I’ve tried boosting the kids with EQ and it doesn’t ever really sound good. Anyone ever run into this problem?
24db pole filters, so you want a filter with a tighter slope to allow less highs up. From there look at your sound design, you might have frequencies from the oscillators layered up higher.
Thanks, maybe it’s just me, but i find leveling drums (hh snares claps) much harder than leveling kick n bass and all the stuff around it…as a rule of thumb i found that on a -12 kick scale removing 2-3 db does the job (obviously with sc, saturation, compressions and alike). But the hh or the snares…oh boy…always either too loud or buried down..not to speak about vengeance loops which sounds great on its own but a hell in the mix…in short…i’ll be glad to see something about mixing drums, i watched many vids and tested many configs but nothing really on spot…btw, i’m gonna buy one of your deciever packs these days and dissect some loops (hopefully there are some in there)…btw your videos are entrataining to watch even if you say not new things ❤
VIDEO IDEA!!!! Thank you that's an interesting one to make.
Have you tried to gate your Snare and pan your HiHats? It's not always about DB, but more about perceived hearing. For example, panning your HiHats slightly to the right, and changing the velocity of each hit will make it stand out. You dont have to go crazy on the Hats , just enough to seperate it from, what ever it is clashing with.
anyone have advice for when kick/bass sounds good in headphones but doesn't sound ass good/full on monitors or phone (obviously i know it won't sound as good on phone but you know what i mean)?
Zen dropping gems
14:34 can you explain what this means, music theory wise? Dragging the envelope follower to the frequency. How would you implement this with other plugins ? Why do you want to do this ?
Keep it simple. it's telling a knob to move under ADSR rules. Ableton has an envelope follower, and you would do this anytime you want the automation to not be fixed but rather applied in a way where it reaches MAX CHANGE and then decreases back to no change using the ADSR format.
13:00
That's definitely true when the Bass plays the same notes ass the Kick. Because if they are not exactly in phase, and they are probably not, you gonna have deconstructive interference.
Especially since you do not use LFOtools to 100% most of the time.
Consider even a sidechain on a dynamic eq to just duck the frequency if the kick hits
Did the guy taiiko make the tune echo drop?
Duck Buddy for M4L works well to see your sidechain
True!!
Thank for your outstanding content as always! Love the information in combination with your jokes:) I was trying to replicate the Bass from Kasst- Leaving Earth but cant get it right so it would be a blessing if you could give it a try🥲 all the best from the Netherlands!
Sounds to me like a wide saw top layer with a single saw sub one octave lower. Then just getting the filter and Amplitude envelope right.
Zen, can you do more vids using Volcano? I have it but like you said always use autofilter or Simplon.
It's one of those plugins that rarely makes the cut for me or when I need it for movement, I reach for.
@@ZenWorld It's the same for me. Guess I'm not the only one.
Not gonna lie presets but one day I'll make a video about it for sure. On my list.@@brandonk.3155
Is there an EQ more affordable that you can recommend ? Also for headphones - I have a pair of Audio Technica M40X if I recall, Good enough for mixing in a loud club but mediocre in the studio.
Any EQ with predetermined values works. I was just trying to make the point that analog based EQ's with fixed values are my favorite because I don't have to be guessing where to boost I'm limited in my selection.
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Now what would you do once their grouped after bassroom? If anything at all?
Bass room is on the master, and from there grab a beer and pray you don't mess it up with the rest of the sounds
What about to get the kick and bass in phase do you always check this also?
Fck no. Unless you are making a track where the BASS is also the same KEY, and I'm trying to sum up instead of sidechain. It's valid for certain genres but for others.... WHY? As for timing issues yes always checking as the project gets bigger.
Didnt understand the volcano 3 topic - what it actually does there?
reshape the bass using filters
What headphones you use bruh?
Which DT770s do you use? 80 or 250 ohms?
Brah i use DT 900 Pro X.
for kick and bass u really need headphones that can mirror your kick and bass ... that u can also feel it. no matter if u have 30 $ headphones or 3000$
Yes they have to go low enough and not be too boosted.
Hey brother! I sent you a messeage on youre website regarding one purchase. Please help me with that. Love ya, keep up the good work.
My wife is checking every 4 hours at the moment. I hope we got ya sorted my man.
@@ZenWorld thx bro
I like 'em phat
I feel like a total dumbass at this point lol. Only been producing last few months. Im like wtf are you talking bout lol. All iv learned so far is side chan and now keep my kicks to minus 6 and bass at minus 12 ish.
You look like donnie darko character "frank"
Disappointed what happened to you.
I listened to your earlier videos & you were so chill - it was easy to listen / relax.
But these modern videos, you seem sarcastic, arrogant -more like the other channels
I avoid.
Beyond that, thank you for the videos. I wish you a healthy 2024.
Hey brother thanks it’s the way I am in real life can’t hold back I was not having fun making videos. Now I’m just allowing myself to be less professional which might put some people off but makes it more fun for me. I agree though it can come off that way.
Hi. I’m not talking about you professionalism, Do you! I just think talking badly about other people is poor form. I didn’t see you do it in the past and doing it now isn’t a sign of progress. Have a good one. @@ZenWorld
I need clarification, but my videos are here whenever you need them. Don't take the jokes too seriously. Have a Merry Christmas as well. If you talking about my livestreams Oh yes I've been doing the Roasting Streams for awhile LOL @@JayVucci
Chewbacca sounding.
That is not what a pre amp does lol
Thanks for the contribution 🙏
No such thing as truth!
You figured out life!
You can use headphones for bass, you don’t neeeeed to. Stop confusing the noobs.
What?!? 😂 NO NEED TO GATEKEEPER ACOUSTIC PANELS
why are you shouting bro
*why not*
wow a 1 minute video stretched to 20 minutes
I GOT ADD too my brother but, some things need a bit more time to get across. Im sure we can both agree baby.
@@ZenWorld sounds like you’re texting your girl…you might be a bit confused
Nah my brother you my baby..@@alexandersorbas1881
Rezz mixes her music on a pair of SOL headphones. She said those are the headphones. She always listens to all music on, so she knows how things should sound
And then my personal opinion I feel like her mix of kick drums interaction with base is as good as I’ve ever heard from anyone in the industry
Especially with her and deadmau5 team up
Their newest song infraliminal has such a beautiful punchy thirded kick. I love it, and Hypno currency another amazing kick drum and her solo song without mau5 someone else is awesome
So she has proved it that if you use headphones you are familiar with you can mix amazingly and have it work on monitors
Sure my man you are right! Headphones is the way
@@ZenWorld I myself can’t mix like Rezz….I still need to check things on my monitors
Actually my work has an amazing stereo with massive surround and I can hear things on that system I can’t on any other so nowadays I use it to check my audio lol
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Saturation baby example lol thank you for teaching brilliantly Zen Master , seriously finally i get what preamps do, and so much good information in this one video😭🤍thank youuu you are the best teacher i swear thank you for everything you do for us and this video is an unexpected thanksgiving treat 🔥hope to listen to this track on your spotify soon . Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family
thanks Zen, What kind of headphones you use that have good lowend response ?