Great video again! I’d like to add checking / being wary of DC offset and phase rotation, which can steal a good bunch of headroom. The difficulty is that you don’t hear the difference really on a single sound, but only when compressing and limiting, but you can have several dBs difference on the +/- sides of the waveform, because the sample, or a part of it can have rogue peaks, say at -2dB on one side side and -10dB on the other. Correcting this would make it -6dB on both sides, so you’d get 4dB more headroom. Especially old sample CD one-shots have the static DC offset or the phase rotation all over the place.
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Hey Moose! I hate to say it but this is possibly one of the best videos on the subject I have seen, and I am hunting the essence of this for a while now. Please thank your employee for such a great effort and tell him he can give you an extra snack from me, and have one for himself! I have been watching this a number of times now and will keep coming back to nail this once and for all!! I have come across many suggestions as to how to do this-but this is really straight forward 🙏🤩🧃
It is very important. I try to make sure that according to the analyzer, the loudest element is kick. There is another way to reduce the volume of kick + snare to get less limiting. This is to try changing the decay snare to a maximum of "+ - 5" milliseconds, and see at what numbers the volume decreases.
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Super thankful to come across your channel. Yahll genuinely out here wanting to drop gems on topics in music production that’s I’ve been struggling with for awhile. Excited to apply the new tips. P.S. oh & shout out to moose! ❤
I love the 1-1 limiting tip; havent used it on drums yet but on drop synths combined with a really good sidechain u can get a clean loud drop without it sounding getting over-compressed/limited🔥
Absolutely!! With drums clippers are usually really good too…but with kicks specifically they can cause noticeable distortion which isn’t always wanted. That’s why in this case the limiter was used…a bit more transparent!
So…instead of limiting kick+snare, reducing the level of the snare would give the same result right? I mean reduce it manually instead of reducing by limiting…
reducing the volume of the snare is going to make the snare sound significantly quieter. When you work into a limiter the beauty is we dontttt lose perceived volume. Its getting rid of peak volume, but retaining perceived volume.
I'm guessing that whether you flip the phase of the kick or the snare will give the same results (and it is a technique that seems to work when I try it, so I'll be doing this from now on). Since the kick competes with the bass more than it does the snare, it seems like the thing to do is flip the kick. I guess experimentation is in order. Another thing that helps is to sidechain a compressor on the kick using the snare. I use a VCA at 5:1 with a zero attack and a release at about 120 (not critical) and duck the kick about 6 dB. It does not sound like the kick is breathing or dipping (but it will be noticeable if you listen to the kick in solo). What this does is cut down the attack of the kick just very briefly. This still gives the impression of the combined kick and snare as being the same volume as one or the other, which it actually is (combined without this, they are actually louder). What we perceive is consistency of level, while still hearing both distinctly. It reduces the aggregate level when they hit together about 1.5 dB, allowing us to bring the track level up that much. This is similar to sidechaining the bass using the kick, which helps keep them from competing with each other due to destructive interference, as well as keeping the aggregate level of combined hits lower. I also pan the kick a couple ticks left and the bass a couple ticks to the right, not enough to be perceived as off center (the Haas effect mostly prevents that), but enough to help reduce the interchannel interference.
Thank you very much for the insight. Just one question: How do you group kick and bass then if needed or wanted? What if I also want to do group processing on e.g. kick, sub, bass like compression, pultec effect etc. like many other tutorials suggest...
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Totally! The same concept can apply to any of those other drum layers. Usually the snare eats up a lot of volume which makes it a bigger issue than something like a hi hat.
@TheCosmicAcademy My hi hats cut through my mix but my issue is the kick. It feels pumpy and awesome/loud but I can't hear the top end anymore, it feels like it lost its character
@chrisbouchard8150 it’s hard for me to understand what’s going on in your mix where I don’t really have an answer. There are just so many ways to solve problems odds are this isn’t the way of it’s not sounding good. You’d want to try other solutions. Changing sound section/clipping the hi hats/fading the hi hats that are on top of the kick/etc
A gamechanger plugin for the phase correlation issue between two sounds is Fuser by Mastering The Mix, especially when working with samples where you‘re otherwise bound to just being able to phase-flip instead of having all phase options available.
I've always wondered what a good way to solve this problem is. I used to add a clipper on my snare, and then the bus channel where snare and kick combine, clip it again, but sometimes that doesn't work out so well. I like this approach. Thanks for the Fab Filter L2 instructions on how to achieve this. Will definitely use! Thanks
totally with you on that! i usually try both. i loveeee cliipping but sometimes the distortion is unwanted/unpleasant on kick and snare. Limiters come in handy in these cases. Happy this able to help 👊❤️
Zack agrees with you…but you’re talkin to moose right now! I hate this tip. I think it stinks. I’d rather go to the park then use this on my kick and snare! -Moose
I don't remember if anyone else suggested changing polarity on snare. Maybe I can learn something here. Usually phasing issues apear when I double the same track so I just avoided it but I never contacted experimenting with snare.
This is a great video. I don't think phase interaction and flipping the phase of sounds or different instruments interacting in the same frequency spectrum gets talked about enough.
Such a useful video thank you so much! I'm a little concerned about using my hardware Neutron and Minilogue now though as on Serum you can adjust these details where as Hardware synths? Maybe I can EQ cut the low on the synth to shift the phase do you feel that is a decent work around?
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that phase flip trick is huge. one of the better tutorials i've seen for music production
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Great video again!
I’d like to add checking / being wary of DC offset and phase rotation, which can steal a good bunch of headroom. The difficulty is that you don’t hear the difference really on a single sound, but only when compressing and limiting, but you can have several dBs difference on the +/- sides of the waveform, because the sample, or a part of it can have rogue peaks, say at -2dB on one side side and -10dB on the other. Correcting this would make it -6dB on both sides, so you’d get 4dB more headroom. Especially old sample CD one-shots have the static DC offset or the phase rotation all over the place.
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It still blows my mind how clearly you explain these things. Seriously the best production/mixing teacher out there.
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I found this channel yesterday and I have watched like 15 tutorials already. You seem to really know what you‘re doing and those tips and tricks help me a lot to understand whats going on in music production.
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you FINALLY made me understand how to approach phase issues after 10+ years of producing music. Thank you!
Hahaha let’s gooo!! You’re very welcome! - Happy that you’re able to use this! 👊
Awesome, I have watched this video a few times now, never get's old.
after spending a couple of years trying to learn mixing through countless videos, i can say your tutorials are probably the best ive come across (finally!!!!). Subbed, and lookin forward to more
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The phase switch trick is incredible. What an incredile video!
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Hey Moose! I hate to say it but this is possibly one of the best videos on the subject I have seen, and I am hunting the essence of this for a while now. Please thank your employee for such a great effort and tell him he can give you an extra snack from me, and have one for himself! I have been watching this a number of times now and will keep coming back to nail this once and for all!! I have come across many suggestions as to how to do this-but this is really straight forward 🙏🤩🧃
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phase flip was great. i glue > clip > limit a bit. soft clipping groups helps too
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Excellent tips here thanks a bunch!
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These videos are the best. I have been struggling with the peaks of my claps and this just did it!
Great tip moose, thnx.
That was lovely!
It is very important. I try to make sure that according to the analyzer, the loudest element is kick. There is another way to reduce the volume of kick + snare to get less limiting. This is to try changing the decay snare to a maximum of "+ - 5" milliseconds, and see at what numbers the volume decreases.
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You can also move the snare slightly forwards or backwards so the snare-kick transients don't sum at the same time
Absolutely!
Or even combine the two :) so phase-invert, bounce and then move forwards or backwards.
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Super thankful to come across your channel. Yahll genuinely out here wanting to drop gems on topics in music production that’s I’ve been struggling with for awhile. Excited to apply the new tips. P.S. oh & shout out to moose! ❤
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I forgot to flip the phase on certain sounds! Good tip
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I love the 1-1 limiting tip; havent used it on drums yet but on drop synths combined with a really good sidechain u can get a clean loud drop without it sounding getting over-compressed/limited🔥
Absolutely!! With drums clippers are usually really good too…but with kicks specifically they can cause noticeable distortion which isn’t always wanted. That’s why in this case the limiter was used…a bit more transparent!
This is an awesome tip! Thank you
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That phase flip trick is nuts, as a new producer I’m definitely going to try this
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So…instead of limiting kick+snare, reducing the level of the snare would give the same result right? I mean reduce it manually instead of reducing by limiting…
reducing the volume of the snare is going to make the snare sound significantly quieter. When you work into a limiter the beauty is we dontttt lose perceived volume. Its getting rid of peak volume, but retaining perceived volume.
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You also can remove some frequency from 2 and 4 kick
100%!! So many ways to go about it and thats def a good one too
I'm guessing that whether you flip the phase of the kick or the snare will give the same results (and it is a technique that seems to work when I try it, so I'll be doing this from now on). Since the kick competes with the bass more than it does the snare, it seems like the thing to do is flip the kick. I guess experimentation is in order.
Another thing that helps is to sidechain a compressor on the kick using the snare. I use a VCA at 5:1 with a zero attack and a release at about 120 (not critical) and duck the kick about 6 dB. It does not sound like the kick is breathing or dipping (but it will be noticeable if you listen to the kick in solo).
What this does is cut down the attack of the kick just very briefly. This still gives the impression of the combined kick and snare as being the same volume as one or the other, which it actually is (combined without this, they are actually louder). What we perceive is consistency of level, while still hearing both distinctly. It reduces the aggregate level when they hit together about 1.5 dB, allowing us to bring the track level up that much. This is similar to sidechaining the bass using the kick, which helps keep them from competing with each other due to destructive interference, as well as keeping the aggregate level of combined hits lower.
I also pan the kick a couple ticks left and the bass a couple ticks to the right, not enough to be perceived as off center (the Haas effect mostly prevents that), but enough to help reduce the interchannel interference.
Thank you very much for the insight. Just one question: How do you group kick and bass then if needed or wanted? What if I also want to do group processing on e.g. kick, sub, bass like compression, pultec effect etc. like many other tutorials suggest...
Epic bro!thank you!
You’re welcome! Happy it can help!
Great job moose
hahahaha moose says "thanks dawg"
I delay the snare track for some ms, so the kick transient does not clash with the snare transient, but i will try your approach too.
This channel is gonna be so big, it's gonna have like 500k subs and crazy videos even better than these. Thanks for the great content, love watching great producers workflow.
Excellent info!!
Glad it was helpful!
I have a two part question,
Can I apply this to a hi hat top loop that snare?
And what about percussion/other drums
Totally! The same concept can apply to any of those other drum layers. Usually the snare eats up a lot of volume which makes it a bigger issue than something like a hi hat.
@TheCosmicAcademy My hi hats cut through my mix but my issue is the kick. It feels pumpy and awesome/loud but I can't hear the top end anymore, it feels like it lost its character
@chrisbouchard8150 it’s hard for me to understand what’s going on in your mix where I don’t really have an answer. There are just so many ways to solve problems odds are this isn’t the way of it’s not sounding good. You’d want to try other solutions. Changing sound section/clipping the hi hats/fading the hi hats that are on top of the kick/etc
A gamechanger plugin for the phase correlation issue between two sounds is Fuser by Mastering The Mix, especially when working with samples where you‘re otherwise bound to just being able to phase-flip instead of having all phase options available.
I gotta check that out!!! I actually haven’t seen Fuser before!! You got me very interested!! 👊♥️
You‘re gonna love it! It‘s basically a Trackspacer on Steroids with Mid-Side mode and automatic phase detection.
Oh baby! Perfect timing with Black Friday too! Appreciate you adding this to the comments!! Can help a lotta people!!
Fuser is the most awesome plugin for masking issues. It’s a beast
been using that plugin for a while now. the phase rotation knob is heavenly
Anyone know what the best free scope there is to see what my song is actually doing?
Thank you Cosmic Community
Smexoscope is a solid free option…megascope is great too (not free)
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I've always wondered what a good way to solve this problem is. I used to add a clipper on my snare, and then the bus channel where snare and kick combine, clip it again, but sometimes that doesn't work out so well. I like this approach. Thanks for the Fab Filter L2 instructions on how to achieve this. Will definitely use! Thanks
totally with you on that! i usually try both. i loveeee cliipping but sometimes the distortion is unwanted/unpleasant on kick and snare. Limiters come in handy in these cases. Happy this able to help 👊❤️
🥁🥁🎹🎹I won't have any more problems, with this trick🔥 , to control the kick and snare of my beats, on the mixx buss 🥁
Thanks
Let’s gooo!!! Happy it can help! 👊♥️
Absolutely essential information in this
Zack agrees with you…but you’re talkin to moose right now! I hate this tip. I think it stinks. I’d rather go to the park then use this on my kick and snare! -Moose
I don't remember if anyone else suggested changing polarity on snare. Maybe I can learn something here. Usually phasing issues apear when I double the same track so I just avoided it but I never contacted experimenting with snare.
Cool tips il try. This problem doesnt really show up in drum and bass garage or dubstep though.
Def something that affects certain genres more than others!
I was trying to solve this problem for ages....thank you bro
you're welcome! really happy it helps and appreciate you dropping the comment! 👊❤️
How about the mooving snare just a little bit from the kick?
Great tutorial! Thanks for the vid!
This is a great video. I don't think phase interaction and flipping the phase of sounds or different instruments interacting in the same frequency spectrum gets talked about enough.
Fire. I used that same vocal sample as well for one of my songs 😂
Such a useful video thank you so much! I'm a little concerned about using my hardware Neutron and Minilogue now though as on Serum you can adjust these details where as Hardware synths? Maybe I can EQ cut the low on the synth to shift the phase do you feel that is a decent work around?