VRS Direct Force Pro Vs Simagic M10 Direct Drive wheel comparison.
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- The VRS Direct Force Pro Vs Simagic M10 Direct Drive wheel comparison is here today. watch as I back to back test these two great direct wheels and give my honest appraisal of what's better and is the extra budget worth it?
Chapters
0:00 Introduction
0:52 VRS review and feedback
13:07 Simagic review and feedback
22:32 Lap time comparison
27:33 Data comparison
30:35 Final Thoughts
My VRS wheel base and Simline steering wheel was supplied by Matt and Myda Simulation. I cannot recommend him enough. Give him a call and chat about your sim racing requirements www.mydassimulation.co.uk/
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The rig hardware is as follow.
VRS direct force pro wheelbase and Simline GT3 wheel
Heusinkveld Sprint pedals
Fanatec Clubsport shifter, Sequential and H pattern switchable
Carbon Kevlar Tillet race seat from a Caterham G7.
PC specs:
MSI Motherboard MPG Z390 Gaming edge
Intel core I5 9600K
EVGA GTX 1080 TI Graphics
Crucial P1 500gb NVME M2 SSD
Ransor Supersonic 16GB Ram, 2 x 8gb 3600MHZ DDR4
Castle 240R Liquid cooled CPU cooler
Deep cool DQ 750st Power supply
Matrexx 50 Case
Toshiba 4tb External Hard Drive
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Shot using Huawei P30 Pro
DJI Osmo mobile 3 gimbal
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Edited using Davinci Resolve 16 (Highly recommended and its free!) 
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If you have any suggestions for future comparisons let me know!
Could you do this comparison with the new Simagic Alpha please!?
Accuforce v2 👍
Ready for alpha mini vs csl dd
So I wanted to comment on the Simagic. They came out with another app and firmware upgrade when they came out with the Alpha. Its a lot better and where you had some of the options at the bottom greyed out they are now available in all games including iRacing and the settings make a huge difference. I do agree with the practice setup to race but that has all since been fixed.
Good video, def helped me decide my next move up from the the CSL level.
Awesome, glad it helped you out. Yes the VRS will be a good step up from there. I actually want to get hold of one to test the Simagic against it. I'm curious how it would stack up. I think the results might be close.
I really like the way you did the review & explaining yourself.i keep looking for reasons why to Buy Simucube simagic over VRS & I can’t. Thanks again
Thanks. Glad it helped you out.
Great review! Thank you
Thanks for watching!
Congratulations on your amazing review, I watched it with great pleasure. You have cleared my doubts about these two types. VRS on top - great.
I would like to see a similar comparison sometime like this, but VRS to DD1. In fact, I am now wondering about the choice between the two. In UE Fantec and VRS will be very similar, I do not know if even Fanatec will be cheaper. I wanted to go with v2.5, so I would already have an F1 wheel.
Can you advise something, maybe there is such a comparison planned?
Glad it was helpful! I would love to compare with a DD2, but high price is putting me off buying, and TBH I have a few friends with them and they have a lot of issues. If I can find one to borrow for a review it will happen. But tbh I'm really happy with the VRS and it has been 100% reliable in the time I have used it.
great review..im finally able to build my dream rig and everything is sold out..so im tying to really do the research on all the main players..and it's cool to see the telemetry between these two...so that narrows my feild by one...Fanatec def has the eco system but there are so many great choices here in 2022 but everything is sold out till April pretty much..had same issue with building my computer...anyways thanks for the info
(i think i've got it narrowed to CLS DD or VRS yes thats a huge difference in every aspect but just seems those two get the best marks..so we'll see who gets merch first lol)cheers mate
What did you end up going with? And are you happy?
I wish there was a review of the VRS versus the Simagic Alpha
Ok I liked the review , it was fair but it's hard to compare a wheel with a stepper motor vs one with a servo (one that's twice as strong as well). I think that the better comparison would be the Alpha vs the VRS. But you have given Simagic fair reviews before so I'm not gonna bust ya bawls over it.
Nice vid regardless and I've subscribed
It wasn't meant as a comparison film, was simply shot as this was my natural upgrade from Simagic to VRS. I wanted to help anyone who was asking the same question, i.e is it worth the extra, what's the biggest difference, is there a good enough performance gain? An Alpha would be a good direct comparison. But currently can't get hold of one without buying! I'm working on some more DD tests though. so hopefully more will arrive in the future.
@@SmokingSteelGarage yea that's all good mate, I feel ya. 👍 The alpha is 25% more expensive than the VRS as well and their cables don't come with the same kind of shielding, but the important part is that we as a community try to help out the smaller manufacturers to give us more affordable (( better and healthier Sim racing peripherals competition. :)
Great review and exactly how I felt about my Simagic M10. Had it for 2 months thought it was great at first but after using it for 2 months I started to notice I needed more. I got the Mige Simucube (basically the same as the VRS but uses the simucube board) and I felt I was far more connected with the car that I was initially turning into the corners too early. And like you said the detail of feedback under brakes and controlling a slide is a lot better! Especially in the cup car where you do need to rotate the rear on tight corners.
I also tested the Simagic Alpha as well but It’s still no where near as good as a VRS or Simucube Mige.
@@barrymanon9459 great to hear similar experiences. Simagic is great value. but they still have a way to go to get the finer details it needs in terms of feedback. It will be interesting to see how they come along. Also see they are now bringing out pedals. so I wouldn't mind grabbing some of those and putting them up against the V3's and Sprints. And of course VRS are also about to launch their own pedals. So definitely going to grab myself those for a test. So much new shiny stuff coming out in the next few months!!!
@@SmokingSteelGarage yea lots of new stuff coming out. 1 thing about the HE sprints is the software. To me that’s where it wins a lot of its points. Simagic software isn’t up to scratch yet. I don’t know how well they could make software for the pedals.
VRS will def make some good pedals.
@@barrymanon9459 Absolutely. the Sprints imo are in a class of their own at the moment. But can't wait to see what VRS come to the table with. If they are in the same league as the DFP then they will be stunning. My orders in so just have to wait now.
@@SmokingSteelGarage can’t wait for your review. There are so many well known sim guys who review stuff and I recon they have been paid to say good stuff as I’ve bought many items according to their reviews and it was nothing like what they have said it was to the point I was quite disappointed and had to sell the item.
Given that the laptimes were so close and the huge difference in price, you've got quite a challenging comparison. It's comparing two totally different tiers. Eg. Thrustmaster vs fanatec, except the performance of the TM will be much closer to the fanatec. Similarly, I would say that is a good analogy to sum up your thoughts on these two units.
Simagic really needs to work on their software to dial in the wheel feedback. If they spent the money to dial in the stepper motor, making it easier to use, but also yield better feedback at its core, it would be a no brainer as the best budget DD.
True. But I think if I revisited now having totally dialed into the VRS it would be a much larger gap. I will try and get hold of the Alpha for a review and also their new pedals.
Thanks for the review.
VRS looks like the best option right now if you are not going Simucube. I just feel like if i am going DD i might just as well go SC2 Pro. Gah! :D
Thanks. Yeah its a mine field of choices out there.
I love my VRS DFP. If you haven’t tried it in ACC please do. It takes FFB to another level 😎
That is a plan for the Christmas holidays. Thanks for the comment!
Have u tried any other dd wheels they say vrs is working on pedals
@@marshallstrong7854 yes VRS are currently working on pedals and a complete rig as far as I know. No dates for release have been set yet but hopefully we start to see some new products soon.
@@SmokingSteelGarage do they have any pictures anywhere of what they will look like
I seen something online called vrs 01 cockpit
Ciao amico ho ordinato il simagic M10 dimmi che non ho buttato i miei soldi grazie continua sempre così ottimi video ✌
Ciao. No, è un'ottima ruota per il prezzo. Grazie per Guardando
@@SmokingSteelGarage grazie 🤗🤗🤗💪
Interesting review but hardly suprising given the price differential. I hope you'll have a look at the new Simagic Alpha DD wheel soon - should be a much closer result!
Hi, Yes would be nice to get hold of the Alpha, I used the Simagic M10 as it was my first choice before progressing to the VRS so I thought there would be plenty of others looking and wondering how good it is compared to the more expensive options available. . Thanks for the comment.
What's this price difference you speak of? As for far as I know, the VRS is cheaper than the simmagic. Or maybe roughly the same price.
I live in the US. I purchased the VRS late summer for $900usd. That includes optional hub adapter and mounting brackets. It's $800 without the optional hardware. I was very surprised to hear this gentleman refer to the VRS price as 1500. Crazy..
@@MarxismIStreason Simagic M10 and Wheel all ready to go is $900, VRS DFP Base is $930 then you need to buy the hub, wheel and I also purchased a quick release, so price ended up costing $1500. So for a complete setup the prices are considerably different.
@@SmokingSteelGarage That makes sense. Before I decided on the VRS, I contemplated getting a SM. At the time it seemed as if the prices had been inflated a bit. Due to the WU-FLU hardware shortage of coarse. If i remember correctly they were running about $1000+. At the end of the day, I'm more than happy with my decision. The vrs is a great setup, was a huge leap from my TM tsxw. Question.. you mentioned a VRS software update. Where did you happen upon that? If you don't mind me asking..
Nice review! I just ordered the VRS. What wheel are you using with the VRS base in the video?
Thanks I really appreciate the feedback. I use a Sim line GT3 wheel. From Mydas simulations. Great value. And decent quality.
Simagic aren't hard to setup, You have to work only with FFB and speed (the 2 firts sliders), leave all the others sliders at zero.
Nice video, can you post your VRS wheel settings in the wheel tool and also the strength in-game. Thanks!
VRS Settings. Max Force 41%. Smooth 3. Damp 50%. Frict 80%. Inter 90%. Spring 90%
Iracing strength 9.0 . Wheel force 20nm. Damp 0% Min force 0.0%
This is where I'm at with the Cup car currently.
Hope that helps!
Not really a fair comparison but I look forward to trying out vrs. Have sc2 pro from dd2
Thanks buddy.
What do you suggest for a rally simulator. Mostly rally games like dirt rally 2, wrc 9 and euro truck sim. I was initially considering Simagic M10 now VRS is in the mix.
Please review Simagic Alpha
Tricky one. I would say the VRS is going to be better as it will really pick up those high frequencies. But having not done much with it in rally sims I cant say for sure. However your best bet is to jump in the VRS discord they have a DFP channel and I see a few guys in there are using the VRS for rally and drifting, maybe put a post and see what they say. As I said in the review Simagic isn't terrible, its FANTASTIC value. But the VRS certainly has the legs on it in terms of fidelity and ease of use. Yes I'm trying to get hold of the Alpha, and their new Pedals as well as waiting patiently for the VRS pedals that are coming soon.
I know this is an old post, but I just switched over from a Simagic alpha to a VRS. I regret it. The Alpha was lacking nothing, despite the allegedly slightly slower slew rate. I can't get the steering wheel with the VRS to be as responsive to my inputs as the Alpha was, no matter how much I tweak it. Maybe it's because I'm using it in ACC, whereas the VRS seems to be overwhelmingly oriented towards iRacing.
SImMagic M10 is (10nm) peak force... The Alpha is (15nm) peak force... And the VRS MIGE Servo motor is (20nm) peak force.
Hai un nuovo iscritto
Grazie!
Hello big brother
files for pedals and steering wheel in the lower right corner of your video
Is there a download link?
Hi. It's an app called Race Lab Apps. unfortunately the telemetry overlay used to be free, however this week they have made that only available for subscription users. Shame! but a great app none the less.
@@SmokingSteelGarage Can you give me the download link?
Thank you!
I have a simucube 2 pro and i really want to get a vrs .. any advice guys
Enjoy your SC2P
Hey mate, could you post or send me your settings you ended up with on your VRS please?
Hi. Will do. I'm thinking best to drop them in my discord channel for everyone. Would that work? Then I can update as I go. As I'm always tweaking them for dofferent tracks.
@@SmokingSteelGarage that sounds great.
Could I please get a link to your discord channel?
@@SmokingSteelGarage there's also a new firmware and wheel config that was released yesterday in the VRS discord!
Makes no difference to me..I'd still get lapped and come in dead last 🙄🤷♂️
I think it would surprise you. Leaving performance behind the immersion value alone is a big leap also. But it will certainly help you be more consistent. Thanks for the comment!
Considering the large price difference I can't see how anyone could be surprised at your findings. The Simagic is not marketed as an alternative to the big boys of the hobby. They are marketed as an entry level for direct drive.
Yes you are correct. So little back story. I bought the M10. As that was what my budget allowed. But over the course of a few months I got frustrated with it and purchased the VRS. So I made this film to potentially help people who are in the same position I’m in. Do I buy the m10 now or wait and save more for the vrs. Is the extra money worth spending? The f course the vrs will be better. But. I wanted to try and show how and why. And in terms of price is it worth spending the extra. Anyway thanks for the comment and taking a look.
@@SmokingSteelGarage I wonder how the M10 compares to the accuforce - the price is about the same, and the accuforce has more torque.
I would take vrs over any simagic anyday. New china company n the only way to contact them is true the vendor as they dont have a way to contact them directly. And even though the alpha looks tempting, i would rather have the vrs or save up and wait for the real thing, the sc2 pro. I feel like the alpha is a copy of it cause it damn sure looks identical n the place of origin, well lets just say that they copy a lots of other goods aswelll..
M10 or CSW 2.5? 🤔
It's a hard call. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. I'd personally go M10 because you have the chance to really dial it in, although not easy. And easier to fix! Fanatech have a terrible rep for warranty work.
@@SmokingSteelGarage
I keep hearing about fanatec shitty customer sevice but i had all fanatec gear since 2014 n never had any issue contacting them about anything. In fact i got replacement parts for my pedals super fast n the email responce was just great.
Why the hell your steering wheel much high res than your face. lol
Steering wheel cam Huawei p30 pro phone! Face cam Razer Kio webcam.......... Kio is rubbish! 😂
But my face isn't good for hi def either. Face only a mother could love!
VRS wins
Need to find it something more comparative.
Sim magic wheel with vrs base lol