Upgrade to VRS : Impressions and Feedback
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Im gonna do the same sell my r9 and get de vrs its so amazing, thanks for your review!!
Most welcome. You will love the VRS. It was such a huge upgrade over the R9. You will feel the car in the center for sure. If you need help, let me know. 👍🏾
@@grayzedynamics this is my official acount can you share your settings?thanks
The value for money with the VRS is uncomparable..
Yes and it was totally worth the money. I am enjoying it very much. Feel so much more consistent.
@@grayzedynamics il be purchasing the wheel base and the peddals
@@D3GamingTV Nice. I was going to go with the pedals then I heard of the VX pros and like the base, too good a value to pass up.
I got the wheel and pedals. I had to purchase the Heusinkveld pedal plate. It comes with angled mounting which I needed at the time for the rig I had/have. I'm about to upgrade to a profile rig for more rigidity. I'm done after that. 😆
Nice. The profike rig is one of the most important aspects. It adds the rigidity that will benefit you for a lifetime. Good stuff mate.
I think vrs has gotten so good especially there latest update omg I heard its so so good!
@@reviewforthetube6485 it's really good and the price is too good. I love it
@@grayzedynamics did you see vrs promoting an 1100 dollar combination with wheel and wheelbase? Looks good.
Yes. It's a Hella of a good deal. I think pedals and base are better, I'd love to see how the wheel feels. I hear it's good tho.
how close are they to the simucube these days? Every review i see is over a year old
@@pulsefiend I always say having used all and soon the Simagic Alpha. Subjectively the VRS is 90% as good and honestly the gap between the lowest and best isn't the grand cannon. The top companies make good bases. Simucube is just at the top.
Funny..... I'm crossing that same intersection you did being the Simucube or VRS. You mentioned that we should do our research. I called a few distributers and according to them Moza is more frequent to be returned or exchanged due to break downs. Sim Magic everyone raves at here but with a 1 year warranty and 100% chinese production I've seen a lesser impressive component assembly. Fact is ya just don't know cause it hasn't proven the test of time. Mige Motors. Chinese but have passed the test of time and not everything made in China is crap ok.... but I've purchased a share of some stuff through time for flight sim and I'm tired of certain lesser things. Simucube is beautiful inside and out. Asetec uses Mige motors in their casings. Simucube... ok... it's made relly well too, but do I need a casing. Do I need two Mean Well 48 volt power supplies at 280 watts a pop? That's 560 watts just to run my wheel base. I think the smaller Mige VRS runs at about 450 watts or so. I also really like my VRS pedals too. I just recently landed their clutch pedal. But I'm getting ready to bite. And I;m thinking man I really like the design aspects of the VRS wheel base. Bavarian Sim Tech eh?! Wow! Never seen that before. I like that Rim your using. What do you use for a USB connection to plug in your wheels?
So I feel your pain and I think the best value to performance is the VRS base by a country mile. It is used by a lot of professional sim racers, is a proven motor and honestly, I love how it feels. It has a very raw feeling that I did not get trying the Asetek or Simucube. I think the Simucube is the gold standard, but prefer the raw feeling of my VRS. Plus as you said, do you NEED all that extra. Get the VRS, use the savings to get yourself something extra, new wheel, pedal set or gear for an upgrade. As for USB, I use the Dan Suzuki QR solution now.
@@grayzedynamics Thank you so much! Finally I found someone who has test driven both and will give me the information I am looking for. I've enquired a couple of higher end experts we all see on U toob and they come off like "I got to make my own choice, I can't decide for you". I'm not asking them to decide for me, I was asking them if they had to choose just one, what would it be and none of those dudes would tell me their personal insight. But at Advanced Sim Racing, where I bought my ASR4 Chassis , a guy there told me to get the DC2 Pro as that was what they use on all their school chassis and that I wouldn't regret. Now I do have a mind of my own but my instincts keep leaning towards that VRS set up. I'm really enjoying their load cell pedals too! I have nothing bad to say about the SCube, but I think I really don't want wifi. I guess it has to be charged up? I also like the idea of my motor not enclosed in a plastic cosmetic case. I'm also gonna Land me that Bavarian wheel too. I didn't see that coming! LOL
I agree peoppe don't get why 15nm+ bases is amazing the center constant forces helo with your racing line. Help with understeer feel also. Feels like you always have less understeer. Peoppe at firdt go oh wow that's alot of weight but once you adapt it really really helps.
I believe 15nm wheelbases are the perfect spot for most drivers. Because even if you run rhat 15nm at 9nm it's going to feel better then the 9 does at 9. Less clipping and more weight. Things go light when they shouldnt meanwhile these 15nm wheelbases only go light with telling you things pike slip or understeer etc. Even vibrations for it. Also depends on the brand and how they implement things but still.
I also look at it this way whatever I buy if I use it then it's worth the money. Regardless of price tbh.
Btw guys vrs has some of the best pedals out now also imo.
I'm running a dd+ as I was using a simagic alpha. I run it around 10 to 12nm and for my preference it's perfect and what I like about the dd+ is it has the center weight and no dips or drops in forces like the heavier wheelbases but that's because fanstec is implementing the ffb that way on purpose. It can now hold the entire 15nm nonestop. So the Dips are just not there. The weight and details are always there.
Also peoppe confuse weighr with dampening. When they feel center torwue peope go oh its dampened and that's just not true. Also many brands use dampening for your suspension and tire feel. Peopplle always think dampening just means dampening forces but that's not how it works in many games. Some games utilize dampening for all 3 areas of the car feel. So just don't get it confused guys.
Great freaking points and well highlighted. There are nuances to everything and the key is as you said, you want to FEEL the car in its entire rotation. Going from the 9nm to now, I run about 15nm and I love it. It feels much more responsive and I can catch oversteer or under so much easier. It is truly night and day.
Appreciate your feedback and it is truly the granular details and constant hold rate that you miss. Love my VRS, maybe someday I will get a Simucube, but that will be SC3 Pro in some years. lol
Do you prefer the cs dd+ over the simagic alpha? And why?
@GregoryShtevensh ahh naw I prefer the simagic once I got it dialed in and got the ultimate. The ultimate is just a monster. But the dd+ is very close. Tbh all of these wheelbases are close af. You can't go wrong with any of the bigger boys that are 15nm+. The alpha mini is a goated 10nm wheelbases also if you don't want more then that.
The dd+ has a ton of details and feels great. So does the simagic.
I main the ultimate but if I didn't have the ultimate I would be on the dd+ nonestop. Tbh I'm about to hook the dd+ back up here shortly ive kind of missed using it sometimes. I need to use both back and forth.
Great review. I've been lusting after the VRS after loads of recent research. I'd love a 15nm+ wheelbase but, honestly, I'm a VR-only sim driver and my livelihood is completely dependant on the well-being of my wrists and fingers... I'm concerned that a bad twist of the wheel (while I can't see it in VR) at even 9nm could do me a ruinous injury. I had kind of mentally settled on the idea of the Moza R9 v2 and running it around 7-8nm in VR but I'm concerned that you weren't getting a decent feeling in the centre of the wheel. I'm still rocking an old gear-driven wheel with easily 1000 hours on it (but nice loadcell pedals) and it's the poor centre that drives me crazy. It's not like Moza R9 with a wheel is "cheap" throwaway purchase either. I'm a bit stuck in indecision.
Thanks Jonny. Well I can tell you this, if I were in your shoes and I understand that it can be hard to make the right decision. If you are close to a Microcenter and in the states, I would recommend you go w/ Simagic. It is easier to get setup, the Alpha Mini is great, it has 10nm, but is closer to 12-13. From everyone I have spoken with, it is great around the center of the base. I will be getting one to test as well, so hopefully I will have more first hand feedback. The Simagic also has the NRG QR which is to me best around, has a plethora of great wheels and pedals and you can easily use 3rd party wheels. Moza is not bad at all, and you wouldnt be mad at it, but around center I always felt like I was suffering. If you have pedals, you wouldnt need that. I would get the Simagic Alpha Mini and GT Neo wheel.
@@grayzedynamics Thanks for your helpful reply - the Alpha Mini was on my radar, so I'll take this as a suggestion to save up a bit more and look closer in that direction.
Yeah. Definitely worth it in the end. You have so many choices. VRS is great but a nice ecosystem may make it easier for ya.
I got a Moza R5 a month ago and I'm already feeling like I need to upgrade, the 'problem' is that I already have two Moza wheels(GS V2 and CS V2), upgrading to the R16 would be easy but I feel like I would be missing out if I don't go the VRS route haha
Well I will say that the R16 is a good base if your in the Moza ecosystem. It’s not bad, I just like the VRS better. And honestly if you are moving to a new system, I’d recommend going to Simagic. But the R16 is good. You would like it. The differences with all these bases are quite subjective and not the grand canyon. I’d say if you like your wheels, get the R12 or R16 and you’d be fine.
@@grayzedynamics hey! thanks for the feedback, why would you recommend simagic instead of VRS?
@arthurnunesc VRS requires much more setup and although they have made strides, it isn’t as user friendly as Simagic. Plus you have to by the mount, QR and clamp for the VRS. Power box and wires that come out are ridiculous. Great wheelbase but much more DIY than plug and play at times.
I'm looking to upgrade to a DD wheelbase and have looked at all the brands and have just come across VRS, and am curious about it, but as a 'plug and play' kinda Guy, the VRS requires a third party wheel and has an external control box.
Is there any links that you can think of that guide you through the setup process?
I need a VRS for Dummies sort of thing.
As an Australian, it would be nice to support a local company, but the whole thing looks a little complex at this stage.
Hi Saint, VRS actually has a pretty decent video of how to setup the VRS base. ruclips.net/video/eHjWs58J3Xc/видео.html It is a really good base, but if you are wanting something plug and play, that is affordable and good value, although I have not tested it, from those I trust, the Simagic bases are really good. The VRS base require a lot of third party add-ons, but if that is in your budget it is not a bad purchase. For me the VRS is great b/c I like the raw feeling of the inputs, the only base I personally want is the Simucube 2 Pro, but will wait until they have a newer updated version in a few years. If you have questions or need help, you can always hit me up on discord as well.
@@grayzedynamics
Thanks Mate.
Welcome
Let’s Go! 🎉 congrats on the upgrade. I also went g29-CSL DD-DD2-SC2.. was painful to leave Fanatec, but love the SC2Pro.
Yeah, Fanatec has the ecosystem that is hard to leave if you play console and the compatibility is amazing. Everyone adds them to their profiles but their gear is not as good as others. So once you step out you get to see how great others are too. Fanatec has good gear but if you want the best, you have to step out.
@@grayzedynamics I'm a NEWB. Almost two years now and I'm leaving my GT-DD pro, V3 pedals I replaced with VRS and it's helped. The CS 2.5 with podium paddles is a nice wheel. I'm not so sure about the term ECO system really. Fanatec is impressive but I have learned and it's been a good entry level system. I'm starting to scratch my head on this "Eco" system. "?" If I choose a larger wheel base and can use a quick release and chose just about any wheel in the industry almost with the exception of companies that restrict us, why want those anyway?!,..... It seems like much of the industry is my ECO system "?" But I would also say that al these systems offer something cool so best system is the one that works for any given individual. They can all work well.
@@DragonFlySlayer-wf6ne Exactly true. Any and all gear can be great for the individual. If you are entering the scene, a G29 is not bad, but as you learn more and become more acclimated, you then learn that EcoSystems are what is wrong with sim racing unless it is an open ecosystem. Like Asetek, Moza and Simagic to name the major systems. You can run any wheel with just a QR. Any pedals, and w/ Asetek you can plug it all into the base. I think the Asetek base has the best use of tech w/ the ports and charging system. Ultimately, whatever you can be fast in, is the best system for you.
@@grayzedynamics Asetek has a unique history with computer components. Simucube also has a history in developing AI in larger avenue but I have really no knowledge of it other than they have history of manufacturing with high quality production control it appears. VRS caught my attention, but you helped me out a lot actually. What is that...? Microcenter? you venture to to test drive all the above?! And you prefer the VRS? Ya see.... those other bigger fish are set up as a professional marketing specialists and all these companies provide them with all the goodies and they review it for good cheaper advertisement. They will not provide me with you have provided me cause their in a different classification and as a pro consultant they'd probably talk more if I hit their paypal account with about $50.00 to $100.00
I'm gonna order my VRS maybe today. 🏁🏁🍾🍾
Yeah many of these companies have had experience in other avenues. And Asetek has a unique path but a good one. Microcenter is an electronics store that sells a multitude of items and now sim gear. Before they locked things down, I was able to manipulate everything and try it out for a while. Had the Asetek in house and own the VRS. VRS is such a good deal, just requires a bit more to set up and really is awesome and reliable. Mige motors are so reliable and tested that I really am happy with my purchase. $799 vs $1300. So much better of a deal. Also glad I could help out. Always here to offer whatever help I can and always can be reached via discord as well. Hit me up when you get all set up. Which QR are you going to use?
So.... one thing to ponder or share here. I do currently have the VRS full pedal set as I recently added the clutch. I'll end up using it but want to end up with a cool shifter. So....when I first received my VRS Break and Gas pedal, cause that's what I started off with only needing, I quickly learned that there are no instructions, and I had to figure it's complete mechanical application design sort of by myself. I was informed by VRS that there were videos on RUclips. I didn't like this. But adapted. I also discovered that my clevis clip on my break pedal was in assembled upside down and backwards. I was missing the RED break spring pedal too. I was also wondering why my gas pedal was weird and from watching the video I was missing a small 5 cent nut. I went to the hardware store and got the small nut and a washer too cause that would be cleaner in application. The reps name with VRS I won't mention cause he was very nice and sent me a RED spring immediately.
When I first plugged in that USB VRS connection box my pilot light stayed on all the time. VRS informed me that was normal. Not a problem. After some time passed I ended up updating my firmware, when I added the clutch. I also still enquired to VRS regarding the LED light no longer working. So they said, let us send you another box and switch it out. Can't ask for more than that.... ok, thanx!... So I received the box yesterday, pull out my chassis, switch it out real quick. No LED light. When I try to open it, I get a red box across the VRS firmware, "Update needed"
It states I need 1.12 ok" But it will not update. I look on discord and cannot fine the latest update. I fond a VRS page through search and it's latest was 1.11.
The VRS website only let me download what I already seem to be with firmware wise.....
So I switch my original box back. It opens up fine. I select update and it states I currently have the latest 1.12 update and my old box works fine.
Originally too when I politely complained to VRS regarding how I wasn't impressed with the pedals with no instructions or parts missing, product not assembled correctly??!! and I learn it by watching a video? Nothing was damaged at all. Not a scratch. My answer from VRS was that they are a more simple company or something to this degree and this was why they could offer us a more affordable price. So...what ever that's worth. But I soon learned too that how I calibrate the pedals made a big difference , setting the pedals up properly to my muscle reactions made a hugh good difference. There are cool abilities like adjusting my gas pedal tension, break tension and how hard I apply the break for a action needed based on my style of how I move.
So I ended up really liking these pedals, except for this driver BS and being on my own. Any wrong or defective situation was handled by VRS immediately and in an instant.
But I'm gonna look now real closely at discord regarding VRS's Wheel base to see how new customers receive it within the box, any issues , missing items non working items...etc....
I still just might jump to a simcicube as I don't want problems based on economics plus the Simucube is a tad more powerful, larger? SC 2 Pro? So down lower maybe at the end of the day more responsive. This shit confuses me to be honest.
So I sent snap shots to VRS and asked them for any thoughts on updated firmware, maybe my load cells are flashed to my original connection box or something. VRS wants me to send one of the boxes back. But first I'm showing them what's happening to see what is said.
Glad you figured that whole nonsense out. Sometimes mistakes happen and I am glad to hear that they were fast, efficient and responsive. No company is without mistakes and rectifying the issue is the key. As for the wheelbase, I have had nothing but good things with it. No issue to complain of so far and I would recommend it to anyone. With that being said, software wise, it is much better than when I first got it, but it is not as nice as Simucube in the software department. Having more NM is not a big deal b/c how many people actually use it. 20 nm is more than enough and honestly you wont use anywhere near that. In the end, purchase what you feel comfortable with and where your budget can afford. If you have Siimucube money, I would say get that, b/c you will always second guess getting it.
@@grayzedynamics Well... I've pondered that little Second Guess thought or concept for most of this year as I research this the best I can. The software is key, but I think I'll be fine. I read one review where a guy owned both and he said if you were blind folded , in his opinion you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. You've touched both and made a choice. Sometimes the sim gear is no better than the driver using it. LOL
Very true. Most times a blind test you cannot tell. Like I have said, the differences are in the margins, not outright better. Some have even preferred the rawness of the VRS and I think that is my thing. The software is much better, and works so much easier.
Ray out here dropping facts, performance over looks 😊. VRS is definitely a wheel base to think about. Thanks for the info Bro👊🏾
Most welcome. Thx brotha
does it look like the base is on a tablet clamp or am I tripping? lol
Lol. It's on their brackets. Since I don't have a front facing mount. Lol
what formula wheel are you using?
Now I have the Bavarian Simtec Omega One. Will be reviewing the Pro in the next few days.
Well I saw those Hub sleeves came in on the VRS website, so I ordered one of those along with the ole VRS Pro! It was also cool of VRS to just send me another Break USB Bus box to decide what I want to do! I figured it out and it loaded nice.
I also ordered that USB brand HUB you recommended to me. That ill be for my wheel of choice and the ability to plug in a cool external; device like a button box as I also like GT
I want to land me a cool wheel RIM before this years election in the event product availability gets hung up from another shit surprise. I currently use a ASR4 chassis. I ordered this cool ARS mount that will mount form the face a Sim Magic, Simucube or the VRS. I like the simplicity of the VRS. It's also a Mean Well power supply but custom and well thought out!
I actually need the longer cable length as the front of my chassis actually rolls up under a desk. A work in progress! Putting together one piece at a time. And my GT-DD pro is nothing to shake a stick at either! It's nice. My smaller 1st Fanatec gear I landed is keeper. I really believe that this stuff can disappear and fall over with what can happen.
Sounds like you have quite a bit worked out. And it's awesome when customer service at companies goes above and beyond. I just got a 16 outlet usb powered hub. Works really well but not sure if the motherboard can accept so many inputs. I may eventually upgrade my mother board to a more powerful one but I do have AM5 so I am good for a while.
@@grayzedynamics According to UPS records there was a mechanical failure tat delayed my VRS. But it's supposed to land tomorrow. No hurry. I still need to buy a wheel & quick release. I'll tell ya man, I've been looking at wheels and I've decided I want to run with a Ascher F64 V3 USB wired! And add an Ascher 5" Dashboard. I've been messing around in RaceRoom. I used to have problems with it. But I know one thing that helped are these VRS load cell pedals. At first I had to figure it out and wasn't all that impressed with the way it was out of the box as I was sort of lost. But once I got it figured out it started to sink in. But then I lit up and realized how much I could adjust these once I learned them in a sense. I have it set up pretty hard for breaking, cause I always would break too hard anyway. So I could sort of tailer it to my muscle memory maybe? I became so impressed with the Gas & break pedal I added that clutch that I will put to good use eventually.
But I used to really struggle in RaceRoom but finally I had to come to terms that it's "Me" screwing up, not the "sim" LOL
I'd get more into iracing but their a ripoff even though they have beautifully scanned tracks and car mechanics! I have a problem with iracing's EULA agreement. I have a problem paying rent yearly to play a video game. They sell us this "pro level" "licensing" fee and it all adds up. I think they should let a person own what they purchase and we should be able to play off line without paying yearly. People say your paying for updates. I say, BS! I'll pay for updates, that should be optional. If I could own what I purchase form them, I'd buy all their cars &* tracks! Is the way I feel. I purchased their IR-18 Dallara Indy ride and man their Oval is the best Oval Indy I ever touched!! Right after I purchased it Dallara pulls iracing's rights to it. You have to log in and play through their website. Very controlling.
But I dig GT and I purchased RaceRoom's BMW M2C and GTE and GT4 package they had on sale until today actually. It was only $11.61 for all three rides with about 30+ liveries.
One thing I really enjoy using is TrackIRv5 head tracking. I used to use this with my Flight sim. Man I was with DCS world since back when it was Flanker 2.0 The head tracking in a sim makes it very nice indeed. Wouldn't want to ride without it. "Once you head track, you never go back"! LOL
I hung up my flight sim. Now I race cars with no regrets!
The Ascher wheels are nice from what I hear. Dunno if I will ever own one, I have my favs at the moment and it will be hard to change me without trying them first. Great pedals make you so much more consistent which leads to better pace and better times. As for iRacing, trust me, anyone who races in it totally agrees, but there is not a sim at the moment that has the ability to race just about everything and a strong online community. I think LMU and AMS2 have a chance to change it a bit, but more is needed for both. As for TrackIR, I have not tried it, but it requires a full turn and I am on triples, so I really do not have a problem seeing the side of the car, plus if I want, I can also use my VR when I want true immersion. Now we wait for the Crystal Light to show up.
@@grayzedynamics Sounds really nice. Thanx a whole lot for sharing the VRS concept though. And everything else! Thanx! Today's my birthday! I'm 62 ;p()
@DragonFlySlayer-wf6ne most welcome mate. And HAPPY FREAKING BIRTHDAY. You don’t look a day past 61. 😂🤣😂🤣
Love this video wish i knew 3yrs ago about incremental step would ove save at lesest $1,200 have 3 sim rigs but ended up with the tr80 light , great vid keep it up boss
Thanks and much appreciated. Wish I did too. I’ve spent so much money it’s just plain sad. lol. I’ll do my best. Having fun tho.
I have both the wheelbase and pedals. Best thing I bought for my sim rig. I converted all my Thrustmaster wheels over using the SRC kit with QR mounted right to the shaft. Just make sure you kept the key for that QR. The pedals are exactly what I was wanting, plus I Didn't need software for my wheel and another software for my pedals (god knows I have enough 3rd party software for iracing already). I dont believe there's any wheel base that comes close to the VRS in specs for the money. And if you have older wheels Fanatec/Thrustmaster, there's conversion kits for them to use them and convert them to a usb with plug and play connectivity.
Nice. I wanted the VRS pedals initally but then saw a video on the simgrade VX-PRO pedals and the price was too good to pass up. And your right the price to nm value and the feedback it provides is great. I couldn't ask for more. Honestly, getting another wheelbase seems silly for me at this point. I've always wanted a SC2 PRO and may get one in the far off future but honestly don't think I'd be missing much and I can use that money for wheels. I still do like the Fanatec Mclaren wheel too. Wish that wheel was made higher end and pc, if it was I'd buy it for sure.
Hi could you possibly do a video on how to actually perform firmware updates i think this would be a big help to many users like myself who are new to it,even if it's a quick 10mins I'm sure it would be worthwhile for the viewers,
Absolutely. I can do that. Let me get comfy with it myself.
@@grayzedynamics ok thanks really appreciate the quick reply
Buy once and cry once!
Absolutely... Wish I did that myself.
would you recommend simagic alpha or vrs base? Ive got a dd 8nm now but looking to upgrade.
Well that all depends. Simagic Alpha will be easy to setup vs. the VRS and does not have a massive power box and multiple wires coming out of the base. So I would say yes to that, when it comes to feedback, I do not think you can go wrong with either. I will say this, the Simagic Alpha is 15nm whereas the VRS is 20nm. VRS has the better price per nm, but requires a bit more parts to be done. Simagic has wheels, and pedals and an entire ecosystem. I would recommend the Simagic based on the peripherals vs. VRS. Although I think the VRS pedals from what I hear are a better overall pedal. Both good choices, just depends on what you want long term.
@grayzedynamics thanks for getting back to me. I really like the look of the gt-neo wheel and like to be fixed in 1 eco system so I'm gonna go with simagic alpha.
I've got fanatec csl elite v2 pedals do you think it's worth the upgrade to the simagic p1000 pedals? I don't see why their loadcell would be any better.
@surfingsammy33 nice choice. Will make life easy.
As for pedals, if you are quick then no need to update. The Simagic pedals are more adjustable and you can add haptics to them. Overall tho it all is subjective. I like my pedals at 90 degrees but if you’re happy with the pedals no need to update.
@grayzedynamics thanks for the info. I'll just keep using my old Faithfull fanatec v2's for now.
@surfingsammy33 makes total sense. Save where you can.
I can't express to you how appreciated this video is. As much as I love Will, Barry and Dave's work, they all received this base for free; like you said you can just never be sure. However, your and Dan's videos are the only two I've found that VRS haven't given the base to for free. I was torn between the Simagic Alpha and the VRS, but decided to go with the VRS; I'm going to order it soon. You have provided a video that was missing and desperately needed: just a guy talking about the VRS that he bought with no bullshit. Excuse my french, and thank you man.
P.S. I noticed you made a video on the Asetek Forte about a month ago, haven't watched it, but did it replace your VRS or do you still use it?
Hey man thanks for the awesome feedback. Glad I could help as much as I could. I love my VRS base and I would only upgrade to Simucube Pro. The Asetek I reviewed belongs to a friend. He let me use it to review. It's a nice base, best part is the powered hub. But with Dan Suzuki update on the powered hub connector I will wait for a future simucube. If you can find a sweet deal it is worth it. VRS tho feels really good.
You just opened my eyes to the VRS DD
Do you think vrs WB is more like equal to the simucube?
And is it better than the simagic in term of the feeling of the details of the FB
In fact, I am thinking of buying DD and I am confused what to buy
Should I buy cheapest dd now like cammus lp8 or moza r9 and wait like two years for the simucube 3
Or I should buy the alpha mini and see if i need more or not
Or just buy the VRS DD if it’s like the simucube and better than the simagic
But there isn’t many reviews for the VRS
So. It all depends on budget. I wouldn’t go cheap to be honest because you will always be wondering what if. The buy once cry once mentality is often best. I think Simucube is the best personally and the VRS made is about 90% as good as the Simucube. For less than 90% of the cost. I also think there are some other good ones out there like Simagic that are great and budget pleasing as well.
I too want the next Simucube base that hopefully brings with it power and maybe data. But I think that is at least a year away at best. I would save up and get the best you could afford and honestly, if that is the SC2 Pro you won’t be disappointed. I do love my VRS tho and may keep for years. Only upgrade for me would be a SC3 Pro. lol
I would love to buy a VRS Directforce Pro wheel base, BUT... I own a very powerful laptop with a powerful GPU that can drive my monitor and provide the foundation for my new sim racing hobby. My laptop only has 2 USB ports and I would love to have a system that doesn't require separate usb connections and software for each component. It would be very helpful to me if you could describe your entire eco-system and what you've done from a software and cabling integration perspective. Do you run each device back to a PC USB port? What software do you use to "tune" your wheel. As a retired IBM engineer, I know that without great software to translate the incoming signal from the sim game and communicate that message to the wheel base, the 20nm base is just a big hunk of steel and copper. The software is the most important factor in managing all the telemetry data and then using that information to drive the wheel base. I'm sincere;ly interested in an all VRS system, but wondered how I could accomplish the wiring with my laptop restriction. Any ideas or help you can provide is MUCH APPRECIATED. THANK YOU.... Robert
I will do as much as I can to help. I haven't been doing as long as others but here we go. First thank you for tuning in and checking me out. As a new person tho, you are right, there can be a ton of software that needs to communicate together. The good thing is VRS has made some updates to their software that has plenty of tuning options for you as a sim racer. It can be quite confusing but VRS, like many others have a software component to control their devices. Some not as user friendly but with a good community, it is best to lean on Veterans to help get you started.
As for connections, honestly you just need a good powered usb hub to connect everything then that usb will connect to your laptop. You may need to have one long USB powered hub with at least 10 3.0 ports. Typically if you go with an ecosystem, everything can connect to the base, limiting the need for extra ports. Ex: Moza, Simagic, or Asetek. You connect their gear to the base instead of directly to the pc. This eliminating the need for extra usb ports.
If you are just jumping in however, their is a piece that is critical and that is budget because, depending on budget their could be better setup options that would be best for you. For example, as a beginner with a $1000 budget that would lean me towards a different setup as opposed to a $2500 budget. So knowing what you want to spend is key. If you are on discord, join my discord and we can chat about this easier or continue to help here. We have a good community of guys with a plethora of information to help.
u have chosen wisely. have vrs for over 3 years it's fantastic but watch the power it'd already cracked my fanatec formula carbon after a year and half
Oh wow. That's crazy. I do love it. How strong do you run in sim.
At the Bavarian site.... What is "Stern" the first choice. "Stern" ? do you know?
Stern is just the layout pattern that matches the Mercedes F1 wheel. Look at the photo of Lewis Hamilton's wheel and the sticker layout and colors of the Stern.
@@grayzedynamics It's called Stern? Does it state this on their site? How did you discover this? You recognized it from being a fan of Hamilton? Sorry man, I don't mean to ask you a bunch of freaking questions. Also, one question I asked I think you misunderstood me. Or I didn't ask correctly. Regarding HUB connection. I like NRG. that's all good, but what I was asking is so basic and based off of my ignorance I think. I'm trying to see how the M16 cable is it? The pin cable that connects to the back of our wheel with a PC USB 3 ? connection on the other end? What type of a PC USB connection do you use to plug that M16 cable into your PC. "?" LOL%^$%^%*&
@@DragonFlySlayer-wf6ne I am on the Bavarian Simtec Discord and that is what they stated, I am also a fan of LH so if you look at a photo, that is what the Stern Sticker and encoder color is based. Functions the same as every wheel, but the color scheme is based on LH and Mercedes.
I plug all my wheels into a powered USB hub myself. It is a regular aviator plug on the wheel and traditional USB connection to the PC. I would always recommend a powered hub as well.
@@grayzedynamics Thank you and very much appreciated ORICO+7-Port+Powered+USB+3.0+Hub Like this one?
I think you'll be fine with any powered hub. Just make sure to get enough portsand it is 3.0. I just got one with 16 ports myself. Lol. They are on Amazon. Brand is Atolla.
Hey mate, is there any wireless wheels you can use?
There are very few true wireless wheels out there like Cube Controls that attach via Bluetooth. However, I am now using the Dan Suzuki QR solution. It allows me to use a "Hybrid" wireless solution. So I no longer use the wire on my wheel to connect to my PC.
@@grayzedynamics Awesome idea! Do you think you'll do a video on how to make it all? Or you can't really?
I did a video of my experience with it. This should help you. ruclips.net/video/5qM9AdhOMrw/видео.html
I remember getting a VRS base and it almost took my hand off when I crashed! 😂
Yeah that’s why I stay right at 75% but I also haven’t had a big impact yet. Not going to tempt fate. 😂😂😂
I see you tried the asetek la prima. Fidelity and ffb is the vrs still better even with aseteks being a newer base and using simucube api?
I think the Asetek is a nice base, smooth feedback and fidelity. I do prefer the raw feeling of my VRS over the Asetek. I feel like the mige motor feels more raw in its output. However it is all personal preference. I wouldn't upgrade to the Asetek for myself over what I have. Maybe to the SC2 pro but even then, I am in a happy place. Lol
@@grayzedynamics did the new firmware update on vrs make a difference from before?
@guccibangs9216 for sure. It makes it easier to find a happy place and brings it into the 21st century. I honestly think when you consider cost, it's value is immense. I would recommend it to anyone.
@@grayzedynamics I have been doing research for the better part of 4 months now as I save up, and I was inclined towards a Simagic ecosystem. Then I wanted an Asetek Forte, but it is too expensive for just the base. I have been reading nothing but great things about VRS. I like to drift a lot, and I'm sure I can find some settings that I will enjoy. On top of that, I have room to explore any type of racing if I want to do that as well.
I also watched this video exactly a year about when it was released and here I am again lol
Thank you for the review . But I wish that you focused more on the product. Also, you didn't you didn't cover the software side of things.
Very valid points. I can always do a little more focus on that moving forward. Work on something. Kind of a follow up to my experience with the base and what I have learned. Good idea. Keep an eye out here in a day or so. Appreciate the content.
hey would you mind sharing what NRG quick release you use? There's a lot of versions out there...
I use the NRG GEN 2 QR. a.co/d/bw0cXH3
I did that, got a Moza R5 bundle, and now I have an Asetek Forte Wheelbase + Round Wheel/Button Box. I did not want to get something that I might upgrade in a year or a few months again, so I went all out as far as it made sense for me.
Smart move. The Asetek is a sweet wheelbase and the powered hub is awesome. As they say, if you can buy once cry once. Makes life so much easier in the long run.
pretty cool, a German Wheel on your setup...its all handmade but too expensive for me....cool video
Thanks man. Yes it can be quite expensive but keep your eyes peeled on 2024. Some great things coming. So be sharing later this year.
Awesome video ! thank you very much. I'm thinking about buying a VRS and I think I just got my answer :D
Most welcome. Glad I could help. Going to do a follow up video on my experience. I do enjoy it a lot.
Solid points. I just recently went from my old CSW 2.5 to the Simucube Pro. I looked very hard at both VRS and the Asetek bases but finally settled on the SC2 with a cube controls csw3. I also upgraded my CSP V3s to Heusinkveld sprints.
The logical step would have been to go with the Fanatec DD2 as I could use the wheels I have, but for various reasons I wanted to get completely out of their ecosystem.
Nice upgrade and solid choices. Asetek would have been good I hear too but to me SC is the best. Especially if you have the dough. Cube controls makes such awesome wheels, I just can't stand the grips. You cannot use the new wheels without gloves and they are super hard. Not a fan myself so I sold my F-Pro.
As for the ecosystem thing, I hear ya, especially with Fanatec. To get a third party wheel, it requires so much workaround and is so expensive it is kind of prohibitive. Plus there are so many options out there. Fanatec has control of the console market but both thrustmaster and Logitech are coming on strong.
Jb bv
I'm NEWB. Do you ,? or what wheel USB HUB do you use to connect your wheels of preference with this VRS? I want to buy this wheel base and I'm trying to see what USB hub will I need or be recommended to put in the chain on my chassis?
So I would recommend the NRG style QR's that Moza, Simagic, Cammus use. It is used in real race cars and they are rock solid. You can also eventually upgrade to a "wireless" solution from Dan Suzuki instead of running wires. But NRG is rock solid, a little heavy, but w/ the VRS it is great.
@@grayzedynamics Thanx
One thing about the Asetec rim. It may look like a toy but it feels very sturdy and driving with it is really fun.
I bet it is. I have their AIO so I am sure it is a great wheel, I just don’t get why it looks like a toy. But that is highly subjective too. For me it looks like one where others rave about it. I think an all black look would look cool.
can i use the asetek/vrs wheels with simucube?
@pulsefiend you can use all wheels with Simucube as long as they have a USB connection to your PC.
The Asetek wheels work only with the Asetek Bases. They have no USB socket/plug. Just the contacts inside of the quick release….
Great video, got a few points to add.
I dont think Simucube is the golden standard anymore. Many of the reviewers say the Asetek are slightly better even, so raw performance wise, there is always better. Max Verstappen uses an even higher end motor which probably nobody else uses which costs like 3k because at the end of the day, these are all industry motors slightly tweaked for simracing.
The reason why I dont consider Simucube the golden standard anymore isnt the performance itself but by what is used among the players. Some of my previous iRacing teammates have made it reasonably big and gotten into the higher echelons in iRacing and I hear again and again that the majority of high iR drivers use VRS. VRS seems like the go-to choice for the very best drivers, especially with Rennsport investing a lot into eSports and VRS being the hardware partner of Rennsport. On top of that VRS is mainly optimized for iRacing, so there is no need for much fiddling. I was surprised to hear you using 75% force which is quite a lot. VRS themselves according to their own user manual recommend to start at 50% and then play around between 40-60% until you fond the right settings for you.
Simucube may be more expensive but they do have occasional sales AND what cannot be forgotten is that you can find used Ascher wheels dirt cheap because they only work with Simucubes wireless system. No bluetooth, not even a USB connection, they work exclusively with Simucube wheelbases.
Another point about the VRS wheelbase, part of the reason why its relatively cheap is because its barebones. The wheelbase has absolutely nothing to plug anything in. You obviously need to buy a mount, you have to buy an additional quick release system which arent always that cheap. Theyve just released their own new quick release which does cost 50€ for base side and 100€ wheelside, so add 100€ on top of every wheel you plan to use which isnt cheap. Again the wheelbase has no USB slots and you are going to use an USB wheel which means you probably need to buy an additional USB hub with external voltage. Some wheels offer a bluetooth connection like the VRS or Cube Controls but you still need to charge them every now and then.
And what you did not mention, USB wheels that are compatible with the VRS wheelbase are EXPENSIVE. There is no such thing as a cheap USB wheel for the VRS base. The bare minimum is the Cube Controls F-Core at 550€+. Yes, you get some very high quality wheels that are definitely worth their money but you cant just buy a cheap 200€ wheel like with Moza or Fanatec. Getting into the open VRS ecosystem likely will cost you roughly 2k€/USD with the wheelbase, the wheel and everything else you need.
And a Simucube on sale with a cheap used Ascher wheel isnt that much more expensive. Doesnt mean Id take the Simucube but its not necessarily that much more expensive if you can get your hands on a used Ascher wheel. I see them go for 200-300€ which is far cheaper than your entry level VRS USB wheel.
Then theres the topic of Fanatec, I would absolutely not recommend their DD1/DD2. Obviously this video was from 4 months ago so you couldnt have possibly know what I know today but they are releasing a new DD price wise between the CSL DD and the DD1/2. However pretty much everyone who got their hands on the new DD says that its plenty better than the DD1/DD2 while also coming in at a lower price point, so the DD1/2 are virtually dead and nobody should buy them anymore unless a great used deal.
First, thank you for viewing and checking out the review. Also thanks for taking the time. This was a well thought out post.
Honestly, I am very happy w/ my VRS purchase and the VRS base provides everything that I want in a wheelbase. It is very cost effective and the price per NM cannot be compared. The setup of it is very basic which is actually good when you consider some of the options. When I say that Simucube is the gold standard, I mean all things considered. The output is great, the reliability and performance are great and the resale value is high. It checks off every box and although the Asetek may be slightly better, the did purchase Simucubes tech and made it better. It may lack some of the extras that I would want like on Asetek but its performance is amazing. Asetek is new, so we will have to see how it works over time to get a true picture. I think the early reviews are stating that it is better, but some still use Simucube as their daily driver is that says anything.
I do think that VRS has positioned itself as the preferred base of many fast sim racers b/c of partnerships and also cost. It is only here to do one thing and that is provide feedback at a better cost than many. As for all the peripherals you can add to the base, it is really endless and outside of the software being quite basic, the updates to it, make it do all the things you need to do to race consistent and fast.
I actually am going to do a follow up video of my experiences with it after 4 months and how I feel now that I have put together over a hundred+ hours of use.
As for the Clubsport DD and DD2 w/ the new attached QR, well that just looks promising. It is something that is intriguing and if the base is much better as many expect it to be, than it could really put them in a competitive spot when it comes to Simagic, Asetek and Moza. I use those 3 b/c they are really the only ecosystems that are worth talking about at this time. Although Fanatec still makes you buy that podium hub to use other wheels, which further increases the pricing and makes it still quite expensive to run a third party wheel.
Ultimately, getting a wheelbase and sim racing is about preference and as much as I can provide my opinion it is just that, and I appreciate your viewpoints on the gear. This would have been a great conversation to have in my discord channel. Or during one of our team races. Super fun stuff. Thx again
you can use the moza fsr or the ks wheel with the vrs and it actually isn't a bad thing since you can save a little bit of money
For sure. I agree. The Moza KS is a good value. Need to see how the Simagic compares.
Although my favorite budget wheel is my Balon Rev3. I've now owned 2. Lol
One of the better impression videos i've sen in a while, Thx man take care
Thx man. I appreciate the kind words. Trying to get better with each video.
I went from a ThrustMaster T300 to a VRS DFP about 2 years ago, it was the best decision I've ever made! I really didn't want to spend the cash and I almost bought a csl dd when they got announced for pre-order. Glad I didn't (not that the csl dd is a bad wheel base).
Smart choice. You are future proof for sure and I feel the same. I wish I took the same approach but I have spent more on all the incremental steps. The CSL DD isn’t bad but not strong enough for what I wanted. And not as smooth around center.
Same here, VRS is the first and only (so far) DD wheel I've bought
I love it. I could possibly simucube in my distant future but far distant
@@grayzedynamicswhat are your thoughts on going for the simucube over the VRS?
I think the Simucube for me is the gold standard. If you have the cash, get what you want and the pro is the best out there. Now if you are looking for something that can give you 90% of the Simucube than I'd say save the cash you'd spend on the extra and get a sweet set of pedals or wheel. Or something else you'd need. The VRS will give your what you need at a fraction of the price. The key is what is your budget and your end game.
VRS gear is the best for me
Sweet. I agree it is great gear. I love it and honestly was happy to go back to it from the Asetek Forte. If I do jump to a new wheelbase it would only be Simucube.
I just love the industrial look and feel ....its all business, lol....no plastic, built like a tank, not a toy!
For sure. And proven to work for decades.
From what I understand, asetek worked with simucube to develop the asetek wheel bases.
Yes. They purchased some of their patents or tech top develop their own. It's a great base from what I hear. Longevity, support will be the key. Price was too high for me and I'd have to get a new mount and gear to use. To much of an investment for my budget. Reviews are great tho.
am I missing something with simucube at 360hz in iracing compared to VRS because i'm thinking to buy VRS but I don't know if I'm missing something
You can run things like IRFFB but I don't think it's worth it. Most people I know don’t notice a significant difference between the HZ. The things that matter won’t be because of the hz is putting out. Better value is the VRS. Singing is the best wheelbase but not by a wide gap. More like like A+ to A-
@@grayzedynamics Help me choose Simcube or VRS?
All depends on your budget and end goals. For me, Simucube is the best but I can get 90% of what Simucube does on my VRS at almost half the price. So VRS is the easiest thing for me to recommend. Simagic is cool too but overall I’d say VRS and use the savings on a good set of brakes.
thanks for the replies bro
can you tell me exactly what the 10% that you give for the simcube consists of
@ivaylodonev5958 1 the SC2 Pro has more nm so this more power, 2 I think the difference is the setups are shared easier, it feels smooth and is quite easy to set up. The new VRS software is much better and easier to setup but not as user friendly as Simucube. It’s a more subjective feel but the SC2 Pro is a top of the line base. I just don’t think it’s worth the additional cost.
Ive been thinking of gettting the VRS just to see how good it is compared to my current Logitech G Pro 11Nm and my Cammus 15Nm. Im already impressed with the Logi G pro and the Cammus even more. Just curious what Im missing with this VRS. VRS and Cammus have a universal 70mm QR; therefore, my 3rd party USB wheels are compatible with both. Simucube QR is not universal and not so quick.😂
Edit: I had the Fanatec csl dd 8Nm and not impress at all and problematic from ffb dropping in the middle of a race, to a slipping QR, to notchy feel.
I would say the price to power and smoothness is amazing. I feel like the only wheel that handily beats the VRS is the SC bases to be honest. But the thing is with any base you have to do the cost benefit piece. I hear the Logi is really good. I have never tried the cammus and they are actually selling them for $499 for 15nm. That is sick but for me it came down to reliability, longevity and price. I think there are a ton of great wheelbases but for $799, 20nm and I’m good for years to come.
Ultimately, if you are happy tho, no need to spend more money. If you have the chance to try out, for sure but if your good, don’t try and be happier than happy. 😊
Also the SC QR, you don’t have to use. They make an adapter plate at Asher that you could use to use your QR. I would have done that with my NRG Gen 2.
Great video Ray! I’m also thinking about getting the VRS as my 1st DD wheelbase. For DD noobs, you do need to buy a hub and a QR (base/wheel sides) for the VRS. If someone’s interested in getting a GSI wheel, then their bundles with Simucube Sport/Pro are a great deal. Keep up with the great videos, Ray!
Yeah the VRS is sweet and the cost is great. Yes you'll need to get all the extras too. The hub and your QR of choice. Simucube does have great bundles. I wanted to get the simucube and new x-pro bundle but the cost alone would sink me. Over $2000 I couldn't swing so $900+ for the VRS complete setup was a no brainer. Thanks for the support. Much appreciated. I will be uploading a video on the noob stuff I wish I knew before investing. Hopefully it brings some good insight. Thanks again
Don't need a quick release, I've got the vrs, vrs hub and cube control f pro, screws straight in
Yeah you can do that. But hard to swap wheels. Lol. If the F-Pro had softer grips I would have kept mine. That wheel is so nice.
@@grayzedynamics i can only afford one wheel 🤣.....i wrapped mine in tennis racket wraps..gives a little more diameter and slightly softer
Gotcha. That’s cool, it’s like these companies don’t realize we are at home racers not on track. Shouldn’t have to wrap grips at these price points.
Great content I bought the vrs pedals last year,I sold my csl dd 2 weeks ago and bought the vrs base,I haven't been able to try it yet I'm waiting for my wheel to arrive that I've only just bought today so hopefully next week I can fire it up can't wait
Oh sweet. I got a set of SimGrade pedals coming. If I don’t like them, I’ll get the VRS pedals but I think I’ll be good for real. I have Sprints now. What wheel did you get?
A glx pro it's not brand new but hoping I like it,ive only heard good things about the simgrade pedals that wheel of yours is ace man bit out of budget right now though
Oh cool. The GSI nice. Everyone is selling their wheels since they got the new Hyper P1. I do want one as well. Possibly the X-29 but my dream wheel is the Bavarian Simtec Omega Pro. That is my DREAM WHEEL!
@@grayzedynamics ill have to check that one out,I do like the x29 it looks a nice wheel
Yeah it’s an updated GXL, cheaper and for me it is better. Smaller grips too. I don’t have huge hands.
I also have the vrs and iam happy with it bit inhave a question when i drive over a curb or bump you can hewr it teuth the wheel the skund goes from the column i think to the wheel is this normal sorry maybe stipid question bit you van hear the ffb shaking to the wheel and i only drive with 40 percent ffb
I do not hear anything but honestly I always have headphones on. I will turn them off and try again. I am sure you would be able to hear the motor. Nothing to worry about I presume. But I have never listened to it myself. Never a stupid question if you don’t know the answer.
@@grayzedynamics yeah thanks for the answer its Like a shattering when driving over curbs or bumbs and this with even only 30 to 40 percent ffb ITS the most in rf2
@@kingkoongghjj I just used it in iRacing and took off the headphones. I did not notice anything. What settings are you using? I am using Will's from Boosted Media, just may need some fine tuning.
Great video! I've had both SC2 sport and pro but I wanted to take brake from sim racing for a wile but now I want to start again but I really don't want to throw away money this time so is there any big difference between SC2 pro and the VRS?
Thanks for the feedback. Id say the VRS is about 90% of the Simucube Pro. For much cheaper. It's a much more raw experience and the filters and settings are nice. I think simucube is the gold standard and Asetek may be right there with them. VRS is a solid contender and worth the investment. The money saved can be used for other stuff. The power supply and box is a nuisance at best but once you set up your good. I'd recommend to anyone and my budy got one and loves it.
@@grayzedynamics Thanks for the reply 👍 I’ll take a closer look at it
Most welcome.
Congratz - I've heard great things about the VRS wheelbase. Keep us informed over time.
Absolutely. So far so good. Definitely worth the money.
What are your settings in the vrs profile?
I shared them in a post on the channel a bit ago. Can you see my posts?
Awesome channel, i'll definitely watch it from now on.
You should get the VRS pedal too. I've upgraded from Sprint and didn't regret it.
Nice. I just got a set of pedals myself. Simgrade VX-PRO pedals.
Were you able to gain another 2-3 tenths after upgrading to the Sprint pedals?
@@S2GUnit You can gain that much with any pedal if you adapt to it. Trail braking is the key.
@@gabox01 I used to do a lot of karting. From my shitty plastic thrustmaster TMX pedals to their TLCM's, I gained 7 tenths on my 1st lap & was up 1.2-1.5 after a few laps. The included pedals had terribly low resolution + non load cell. I'm sure with a way better load cell I could gain another 2-3 tenths (I don't have much margin to get to be honest) but was curious if the VRS gave a tiny bit more pace if you were already quick.
@@S2GUnit I'd say yes, and I think its due to spring vs elastometer. I find that you can apply more precision with spring.
Get what you want!
Yup. Key is so the research first is end up like me. lol
Im building my first rig and I'm trying to do it "on a budget", without sacrificing to much of what a good sim system is all about. I'm a very handy DIY guy but I just don't have the money to spend it all on a system. The VRS would actually be my wheel of choice but here in Europe where I live. it's $950 without the mounting kit and shipping, since I still have to order it from Germany. It would bring be well over $1000 and that's just not something I can afford right now (or in the foreseeable future). It's going to be the Cammus for me, even though I've heard that they have some issues with quality control (which doesn't scare me to much because of my DIY skills and their good customer service,...if the youtubers are to be believed) and I can get it locally for about $550, which is a huge plus for me. I already ordered aluminum extrusions to build the rig. I purchased a second hand bucket seat and VR headset. I'm going to build the loadcell pedals, the wheel and the shifter myself. I have access to a 3D rinter, a cnc machine and I know how to work carbon fiber. I hope that I can do if for about $1500. Very exited about it!
Thanks for checking me out. First, it is great that you have a budget and idea of what you want to get. Get what you could afford is definitely the key. VRS is great but for the money, if you can find something within your budget that is good. I have not tried the Cammus gear and I will say based on everything I have seen as well, it is not the best setup. If $1500 is your budget for everything, there is quite a bit you can get for that if you go with some better gear, and can get a decent rig as well. I would say instead go for Simagic Alpha Mini, it is slightly more expensive but will save you headaches in the future. Are you close to Sim Race Shop? If you are on discord, message me on the channel or private message me and we can chat.
@@grayzedynamics Hey, thank you for your reply. I'm unfortunately not on discord (have to look into that). There is a sim race shop in my area but they sell only Moza and Asetek wheelbases. I was actually looking into the Simagic Alpha Mini too, which would be a bit more expensive and have better FFB for sure but I'm a bit concerned that 10nm of holding force might not be enough for me (I know it has 13nm peak but compared to 17nm on Cammus, it's quite a difference). I'm into vintage cars and like to drive without power steering . I'm just worried that the Alpha mini won't be able to replicate that. You're right though. I watched many mixed reviews on the Cammus and my biggest concern with that wheelbase is that some reviewers say it has very good FFB, and others that it lacks a grate deal in detail, to the point where you feel disconnected from the car. Now, I'm not sure if this has something to do with Cammus's latest software update or if it's just praise from sponsored youtubes....
@@mementomori4972 Gotcha. Was going to say Discord is a great way to communicate. With that being said, I personally would not be willing to get Cammus. Just not much known about them and the reviews have been mixed and more negative in my view. As for the shop. I know there is Sim Race Shop. simraceshop.de that is local to you and would be a great resource as they carry many different items and if you can grab locally, than there goes you having to spend money on VAT and shipping. I would heavily recommend it would be better to save up a litte longer and get a better wheelbase than to settle on the Cammus personally. If you are this close to upgrading and can wait a few more months, even getting the Simagic Alpha, that would be a really good compromise. One thing I have learned was getting what you can afford now vs. waiting and getting what you want is better in the long run and avoids future upgrades. As for Cammus praise, I could not tell you and I did take a chance on Moza and I did enjoy it. I would recommend a few over the Moza, but they are good too. I would pick them over the Cammus easily tho.
@@grayzedynamics Thank you for the link! You're probably right. I think I wouldn't feel completely satisfied with neither the Cammus nor the Alpha mini. It's just that every other more capable WB, shipped to my doorstep, would be around the $1000 mark (Moza R16 being slightly cheaper) and I'm just not sure if I can justify spending that much money on a wheelbase. I think I will first build everything else and jump the hurdle of the wheelbase when the time comes. Maybe my situation will change up until then. Cheers.
Yeah, saving up is always the best bet. Get what you can afford, but if you have patience, you can get what you WANT and be set for a long long time. A solid rig is always a must. I reasonable DD, decent wheel but a good set of brakes. So many options and the key is having a solid budget.
Should i buy the moza r12 or the vrs wheelbase?
What is your budget? Are you wanting an ecosystem or wanting standalone items. Eco systems are easier overall, but for me my preference is one of the best wheelbases and bang for buck. What is your end goal?
@@grayzedynamics i could get an Vrs Base with mount and qr for 800€ .
For the wheel i have 400€ budget.
@@Giuli_F1buy the vrs and the polsimer wheel they have Sometimes Outlet wheels for 290 Euro normal price ist 400 Bit very good wheel for the money
Great Channel and congrats on the upgrade. I can personally attest to the VRS as being amongst the top of Direct Drive Wheels. Currently I own an Accuforce Pro V2, VRS Direct Force Pro, Simucube 2 Pro and the Leo Bodnar Sim Steering 2 and I can truly tell you they are all within a 1 sec finish of one another. you've made a vey wise decision and I guarantee you won't regret it.
Thanks for the feedback. I love the VRS base. And you clearly have a wealthy of experience with some great ones. I would say that the VRS is withing 90% of the best bases and whenever I see events. It's either the VRS or Simucube. I'm happy I went with it. The value to NM was too good to pass up.
How does the VRS compare to Simucube in terms of FFB, smoothness etc?
Cammus FFB isn’t good. Would stay away.
Okay, I have never used so I have no idea what to state but that prices was crazy. Thanks for the feedback.
Have you tried it?
I personally have not but have heard that sentiment a few times with their 15nm base. That price was too good to be true.
That's kind of crazy we're like kindred sim raising spirits or something. We got the R9 relatively at the same time. And now I decided yesterday to get a new wheelbase and boom!!!!, you got a new wheelbase.😂😂😂
😂😂😂 that’s because great minds think alike. What you thinking of getting?
@Grayze Dynamics I'm leaning towards simucube, but I don't know yet. I got new pedals(asetek fortes) and my little F-GT from Track Racer Just isn't strong enough. So I. So I started looking at new cockpits and my R9 stop reading my wheels. Then my paddles stopped working ..... It's been a sad sim racing week😪
Wow. Definitely have a ton of items to address. That sucks with the wheels and paddles. Good thing it is covered under warranty. Although it does take time for you to get the replacement. Yeah I have the GT Omega with the Trak Racer GT seat. I like I a lot and the price was too good to pass up. Value and performance.
I would say get the VRS, use the savings to get a new cockpit and sell the Moza setup and get new wheels. But it is such a hassle and will likely drive you insane. Of course, get your gear fixed first is the key.
@Grayze Dynamics I initially got the F-GT Not knowing if SIM racing was something I could really get into, so I didn't want to spend too much. All I knew was I really like racing in wreckfest
The cool thing with our cockpits, though, when you do upgrade is. There is like a $35 conversion kit and get a cheap flight stick and you can fly. Sent the R9 back to Moza yesterday. But i think I'm going to give it to my nephew. And just not get him a Christmas present for like 4 years.🤣
Thank you so much! Finally I found someone who has test driven both and will give me the information I am looking for. I've enquired a couple of higher end experts we all see on U toob and they come off like "I got to make my own choice, I can't decide for you". I'm not asking them to decide for me, I was asking them if they had to choose just one, what would it be and none of those dudes would tell me their personal insight. But at Advanced Sim Racing, where I bought my ASR4 Chassis , a guy there told me to get the SC2 Pro as that was what they use on all their school chassis and that I wouldn't regret. Now I do have a mind of my own but my instincts keep leaning towards that VRS set up. I'm really enjoying their load cell pedals too! I have nothing bad to say about the SCube, but I think I really don't need wifi. I guess it has to be charged up? Those M16 cables are pretty realistically cool. I also like the idea of my motor not enclosed in a plastic cosmetic case. I'm also gonna Land me that Bavarian wheel too. I didn't see that coming! LOL "That's a nice wheel" that will be hitting two birds with one stone.
Yeah, I think many dont want to give advice that you end up regretting so they use caution and feel like it has to be your choice alone. I am of the mindset, that is why I stream and give my insight. I think both Asetek and Simucube are amazing and if you have the money, they are not bad choices at all. I have used them and for what they cost, not sure it is truly worth it. Simucube is the best out there in my opinion, but is it that much more valuable in the end. The difference between these bases are in the margins and not massive leads, so then it comes down to price, value and satisfaction and my VRS is amazing. With that being said, I may one day upgrade to a Simucube when they have the power options like Asetek. As for the Bavarian Simtec wheel, you will love it. Use my link and you will save money on the wheel as well, and it does send me a little kickback, so we both win. lol.
Ultimately it is your decision, but save money and get the VRS, remember there are extra cords and the silly power box.
nice refreshing perspective to a review.
Thank you. I try. Going to do a noob sim gear video.
Can you post your settings?
I can. I just use Wills settings for from boosted media. I will post. Screenshot later today.
Sorry forgot to respond to this.
Damping 20
Friction 35
Inertia 55
Spring 10
Responsive 1
Static force 30
Non linearity 0
Slew balanced
Max force 75%
Great vid so far I'm about 3/4 thru. I love my VRS - I am only playing assetto corsa right now.
The only thing I don't like and haven't been able to figure out is one specific FFB effect. It might be specific to AC, might be VRS - curious if feel it in iracing...
When I go off track and come back on, when the wheels go from grass to a high curb (im assuming the telemetry here is something like big suspension impact or bottoming or something - no idea really) - the effect the VRS plays almost feels like it turns the motor off and on for a split second.
Another way to word it is maybe like when your IRL car steering has a bad bushing or something and your wheel has that side to side slop before it catches and starts to turn the wheel.
It's hard to describe. Its like the wheel has whatever weight/effects playing - you hit the curb the wheel feels totally different and makes almost a clunk clunk feel and then you are back on pavement and all is good.
Every other effect feels fine, I have been playing with settings seeing if this off-track clunk is able to be tuned out/down.
I did get some real good results from turning damping up - got rid of most of the oscilation on straights.
These are my settings from the VRS app (most recent version/firmware) for Assetto Corsa (I used 100% gain in content manager, all the effects at 0 in CM, and in game I use FFB clip to try to target around 12-14 NM max
VRS APP:
Max Force 70
FFB tab
Damping 20
Friction 3
Inertia 0
Spring 0
FILTERS tab
Smoothing - Optimal
Static Force Reduction 0
Slew Rate - Performance
Glad you are watching and I appreciate the feedback.
So as of now i haven’t felt any of what your stating. But I do know that ACC sampling rate is significantly higher than iRacing. So it may be part of that. I have seen so many settings that have helped me a ton so I appreciate it.
Have you tried, Wills setup from Boosted Media. I went with his and tweaked based on some feedback from others. Finding that sweet spot. Especially since iRacing sampling rate is so low compared to ACC.
@@grayzedynamics I'll try out Will's settings. I am playing original AC not ACC - I haven't started messing with ACC yet. One more layer of weirdness is AC is so modable I don't know if most downloaded cars are even configured correctly for FFB (if thats even a thing). I've been using the Kunos official cars and tracks during my tweaking lately.
I have ACC tho and I will try to run some same car/same track tests on AC vs ACC to see if its just the way the older game engine handles some FFB effects.
Also I agree 100% on the saving up for what you want. I went the logitech route at first and used a openwheeler cockpit from amazon. Now I have a profile cockpit, vrs wheel, new pedals etc - the whole logitech setup was kind of a waste of money - but it did give me the itch and let me know I wanted to go deeper w/ simracing.
@@grayzedynamics Finished the vid - one more thing. Your point about feeling more / better steering from yourself with the VRS is so on point.
In AC, I love to do Brands Hatch its my go-to track if I want to try to attack my best laps.
That first corner the downhill right - the one right after the start line. That one on my Logitech was a big grey area. Throw the car in and hope I can sense what is needed to correct before the slow weak FFB tells me mid-slide that we are in trouble.
With the VRS I can feel exactly how much grip the car has and if I can push harder the next lap or not. My times improved quite a bit. Some of that might also just be more experience on my end playing these sims. Had Logitech for about 6 months, VRS for about 3-4 now.
Yeah. It’s so hard to find that perfect setting too. I have all the sims but really use iRacing the most. Eventually I’d like to really do ACC but iRacing has so many cars and tracks it is hard to not race. I don’t want to just do GT cars.
As far as AC the mods make that game great but you are right, some tracks and cars aren’t modded perfectly so that could be the issue. I would try wills settings for ACC and let me know what you think. ACC looks so pretty. Lol
Dude the grip I feel now is crazy. And I had the R9. I now know what I was missing and it’s been heaven the past few days. I just got it Tuesday and already I feel like I am in heaven. I’m good and don’t think I’ll be upgrading anytime soon. The value is amazing and the feedback is great. The recent updates make it great I hear, so I came in at the right time. Thanks to Dan and Will for the updated videos.
Oh man, great vid I called my self doing research and still did incremental upgrades and blew money I didn’t need to . First wheel was a moza R5, next was the simagic alpha mini, from there I went to the simagic ultimate to finally settle on the Simucube 2 pro. I could’ve skipped the two middle bases. It was wasteful but a learning experience and fun.
Yeah we all make bone head decisions and you did the same thing I did. Make incremental updates that cost me so much money. Curious, why not keep the Simagic ultimate. I heard it is really good.
@@grayzedynamics I still have all 3 , I'm gonna keep 1 for a backup and probably do a eBay fire sale on the rest. . I'm running Huesinkveld ultimate plus pedials now but I have simagic p2000 and Fanatec club sport v3 pedals I may also get rid of. The thing IMO that pushed the simucube over the Simagic ultimate was the software. The simucube just had more tuning than the ultimate. Also the Padock option In simucube's software Is a great idea, being able to share peoples wheel base settings from pros to wheel makers to RUclipsrs, etc.... you can even tailor there settings to suit you If you want.
@KevinStevens-yl4hm wow you kept them all. And that's cool I feel that Simucube is the gold standard. They just need a refresh of the wheelbase similar to Asetek.
Great video. I am considering getting the vrs base and my only concern is if it works with the f1 codemasters games. I've heard that you need to edit some files to get it to work and even then the force feedback might not be that good because the base isnt officially supported. If you've given it a try any information would be welcome.
I havent tried. Since getting into the sim racing scene. I used to play on controller and it seems like F1 games are optimized for controller. I'm curious to try on F1 23. I may just pull the trigger and try it out. Even though I know I won't play it much. I'll let you know here soon enough.
@@grayzedynamicsHey man, no need to buy a whole game just to let me know if you are not going to play it. I think the compatibility with the wheel base should be the same with the previous f1 games, so if you've tried it on f1 22 it should be the same with f1 23. Appreciate you replying👍
I have F1 22 already and I haven't tried with the VRS. F1 23 has better handling so I have been curious to find out myself and run a season with it.
@@grayzedynamics Yeah it is a big improvement compared to the last games. I am using a csl elite and I am thinking of upgrading to the vrs base. Looking forward to your reply to see if the base works.
I'll let you know here soon enough.
Hi sir,,,is the vrs really that good? Coming from simagic alpha 15nm,,and now considering this vrs for my new setup,,thanks
Yes. I would say when considering the price and competition it is up there with the best. I personally think the Simucube is the best but what you miss, you won’t really tell to be honest. I haven’t used the Asetek but from what I hear it’s great as well. The key for me is, if you get 95% as good for $580 less, I would highly recommend it. I cannot attest to the Simagic, I hear it’s a nice piece of gear too. However, VRS is using a Mige motors which is tested and many of the best racers use SC or VRS. So I’d highly recommend. I feel far more detail, feel the car and it’s slips and slides. I can tell more what the car is doing and it has this rawness to it. I love it and won’t be switching to anything anytime soon.
@@grayzedynamics thanks for the input sir,,guess this conclude my purchase,,simagic is good,,i use it 60-70max force,,but sometimes i feel theres something missing,,reading some reviews on vrs,,it has good fbb details,,even dan zuzuki chooses vrs because of raw fbb details
Yeah I think the VRS is great. I am thoroughly impressed by it. It has made my sim racing much for fun. And the price is too good to ignore. I'd recommend it. You won't be disappointed.
@@grayzedynamics thanks sir,,pressing the checkout button now😉
Awesome. Let me know what you think. I'm positive it will be a "HELL YEAH!"
I wonder how this would compare to the regular Simagic alpha. they are basically the same price but the alpha is only 15 nm. How much more detail is in 5 more nm? does it matter once you go passed a specific amount of nm? You said that ur not even using the full power of the VRS DD so what's the point in having 20mn to begin with?
So with having more power at 20nm, I guarantee that I will never hit the limit and never clip. Since I have the extra headroom, I get the more granular details of the track, curbs and so forth. If I only had the 15nm, then I'd be maxed out and would likely have some clipping depending on the feedback that I run. Having the extra headroom guarantees I won't hit the limit. 15 is a good amount in any wheel base. I can't say how they compare since I have not used the Simagic. But when I watch reviews of the top wheelbases, VRS is consistently in the mix. Plus the price per NM is far better with VRS. So your spending the same money but have a a top notch wheelbase.
So if your in the marker for both, I'd get the VRS. If you want an ecosystem than maybe others are better but for me, I can run the same NRG QR, any wheel I want that is pc compatible and I have that headroom in detail.
@@grayzedynamics yeah for the price i may as well go with more but that begs one more question in why this base isnt as popular as one would think that it should be especially for the price. the pedals looks fantastic too btw. u should review those
The wheelbase is next level, I think many see the wheel rims and the ecosystem sucks us all in. Additionally, VRS doesn't really market themselves in the same level that Simucube, Fanatec, Moza and Simagic do. I think VRS have carved out their area and honestly, the pros use them, they are competing with bases significantly more and the value is tremendous.
As for the pedals, I was going to get them as well. I hear they are great, comparable to the Heusinkveld Ultimates at a much cheaper price. If I don't like the new pedals I'm getting then I'll go with the VRS AND be done.
@@grayzedynamics have you tried your cube controls formula rim with it? how does that work
I actually got rid of it for the Simtec F1 rim. I loved the Formula Pro except for the grips. Grips are not my fav but I'm looking to eventually get one in the future. Possibly used.
I have an R9 currently and I wanted to know if it was worth upgrading to the VRS and I'm sold on it. I don't have many parts within Moza's Ecosystem as I mostly have Heusinkveld stuff.
DEFINITELY!!!! Best value to NM on the market and it is a GREAT wheelbase. Does everything I need and more. I liked my Moza a lot but the smoothness is unreal ok the VRS. 20nm is more than enough and honestly I use 15 and that is perfect for me. What did it for me was I had to tune my R9 high which meant a lot of clipping and the oscillating almost broke my finger.
Would the VRS be a worthwhile upgrade from a Moza R16 or is there not much in it?
I'd say 16 is good as far as nm but I cannot attest to how smooth the feedback and responsiveness may be and oscillations. I will say I have used the VRS, Simucube and I had the R9. I've watched the experts and they all race about VRS, Simucube and Asetek. If your happy, I wouldn't upgrade, if your wanting the end all and be done you won't go wrong with VRS. If you want what I call the gold standard, I'd go Simucube 2 Pro. All depends on budget and current happiness.
Thank you for the detailed reply. I have the VRS pedals and they are amazing. I’m not unhappy with the R16 but curios as to whether I’m missing out on much by not having the VRS because I see nothing but good reviews for it.
As a follow up, I have the LEOXZ wheel with the Moza QR so I could use this on the VRS I think with the correct adaptor so that would get me racing straight away. Decisions, decisions.
Yup. You can use the QR as well. You’d have to get the base side as well. But once you have it, all the Moza QR’s would fit. That’s what I do now and I love it. Here’s the thing, the VRS has 20nm and I don’t have oscillations or a loss in fidelity or increased dampening at the cost of smoothness or notchy feeling in the center. For $799 plus QR HUB and mount $899 + shipping it is the best investment bang for buck. To get the R21 you’d spend more, and I like that I can front mount my base. Again, if you are good with 16 save the dough but I am not a fan of ecosystems and really like that VRS made a perfect base before stepping out into other parts.
@@grayzedynamics I’ve placed my order and I collect it on Monday. I can sell the Moza if I prefer the VRS.
Are you using the stock wheel deck on the gtomega prime with the vrs bracket?
Yes. I just had to drill holes. Eventually will get a front facing mount.