That hurdle of having to get the free dlc to unlock 'very hard' mode is most likely a tactic to get people onto the storepage and expose them to the other priced dlc. To entice them to buy one of or all the other dlc. I do not see any other reason for this seeing as they have the capacity to just patch it into the game or simply have it be ready at launch.
It definitely is. A lot of MMOs do this, where they will advertise and offer free DLC packs including beginner items, and then right under said free items, you'll be bombarded with the "actual" DLCs. Black Desert Online does this ALOT(and it's even worse cause that's a pay to play MMO, only like 5-10 bucks nowadays but still)
i was gonna argue Unity didn't support hot fixes. Than i remember, the big 3 made it recently a requirement for the current systems to get games published
I'm fine with cosmetics and music DLC (even tho I would prefer for costumes to be unlocked by playing), but story/characters/demons being locked behind them is a huge pain in the ass. I think Atlus is testing the stage to what they can get away with in terms of DLC, they are pushing more and more, until we say "thats enought" and thats where they will set their bar. We can expect similar DLC pratices in all future games.
i also hate when fan favorite demons get locked behind dlc ESPECIALLY mara and satan, just saying that decision is questionable would be the understatement of the century
The fact the made mara and satan DLC is the actual dealbreaker. Those should have been in from the start. They definitely made them and then decided 'haha dlc time'
The free dlc is specifically there just to take you the storefront and climatize you as the user to what it looks like. And basically its a "walkthrough" of buying the DLC, paving that pathway in your brain so you can shorten the time between impulse and analysis.
I hate DLC structures like this in general. DLC should only be for legitimate game expansions like the story stuff, and should most definitely not be day 1 DLC. Games should be going on the shelf in a complete state, with expansions coming later. Day 1 DLC is fine for cosmetics etc, that don't actually impact gameplay and it doesn't negatively impact the player to not buy them. Holding back parts of a game to sell them separately **ON LAUNCH DAY ESPECIALLY** is an absolutely cancerous and anti-consumer practice that should not be supported in any way.
@@therealjaystone2344 they're doing it all the time though. I guess people in japan are so obedient they just accept whatever. This actually makes a lot of sense.
Atlus has ALWAYS had this issue.Smt iv had the archangels locked behind a paywall,a booster dlc,and 2 random boss battles that had zero significance or justification for buying them. Hell persona 5 alone had enough payed dlc that you can buy another triple A game with the amount they wanted you to spend on it.
Even the $13 for costumes was a stretch. Everything beyond that is an insult, especially considering this is day 1 DLC. Puts me off of buying the whole damn game, honestly.
Right? I'm legit considering just finding a crack for the whole thing to not pay for any of it, just because giving any money seems like I'm endorsing this sort of release practice and I just can't support it. Maybe someday when a steam sale puts it to 80% off or more, then it'll get my money. By then there'll be a re-release with the complete package anyway.
@@Cyberdragunz Just to let you know, Soul Hackers 2 uses Denuvo so probably will never be cracked on PC. SMT Nocturne Remasterted has still not been cracked on PC
"Can modders add in the same content as your DLC?" If the answer to this question is yes, you aren't doing DLC right. Vanity changes and background music isn't worth money, it should be part of the game. Remember when games made you earn costumes through in-game challenges, making it more worthwhile to play the game beyond the main quest? I sure do, but it seems like almost no game devs remember that. As for BGM, you can just turn the game volume off and play tracks on your phone if you want different music.
I remember those days. They made the games worth it and memorable. You did something to earn them, uncovered a secret that was part of the game as well. Now you give money and just....open a chest or something and it's there. As always, the trade of with better graphics was creativity and story takes a back seat. Not often will you find someone maintaining that balance.
Won't lie was looking forward to playing soul hackers 2 when I heard about it. Unfortunately the paid day one dlc is a deal breaker for me, I wouldn't feel right supporting the practice.
Just don’t buy the dlc and just the main game. If you don’t buy the dlc it’s hopefully teach Atlus that day one dlc is bullshit and they shouldn’t do this again
Here's a basic explanation Getting dlc and the game= these game is great and the dlc is also great Getting only the game = game is good but dlc is bad Not getting either = we don't want more spinoffs we just want persona and mainline smt.
It’s crazy to think that if this game had been ‘complete’ at launch and included the costumes as hidden items, included the dlc quest in the base game…it would have likely gotten better reviews and just sold more copies. Altus really does dlc poorly and has for a while now, and it’s a shame. They have fans who really care about their ip hand they milk them rather than take care of them. I mean, I’ve loved smt for years and years but day 1 dlc really pisses me off
When will Atlus stop with this day 1 dlc bs they expect someone to buy a game seeing $56 worth of dlc content on day 1? That’s damn near how much full price games used to be…
This is pretty standard now with Atlus campaign of burning bridges while milking the success of other entries/spinoffs and making you pay for it. Was thinking we'd get an SMTV BGM/costume set. Least we got Raidou.
This DLC really kinda turns me away from the game sadly. Cant get stuff unless I buy the digital premium edition? Thats some Koei Techmo bs. They dropped the ball with this game so I'm gonna wait for a nice sale on the PS4 physical. I want PC but I hate dealing with Denuvo.
If the game underperforms tell Atlus and Sega it's because of the DLC. Even if that's not accurate it might be the best way to convince them to knock it off already.
worse, its 20 dollars for op demons that will unbalance the game completely and make you feel like they are either mandatory or instigate you to use them instead of the stuff you have to find playing normaly.
It's a shame ATLUS treated this game badly with regards to DLC. One reason I'm hoping it comes to Switch later on is so that the Switch port could include some of this DLC on cart. At the very least the bonus story with Nana should be included on cart in such a port.
ATLUS really has to give the "mysterious new girl" thing a rest like yeah sometimes it works like Sumire in Persona 5 Royal or Rin in Catherine Full Body but Marie in Persona 4 Golden and Nana in Soul Hackers 2 both just get stapled into narratives they don't fit into and end up feeling tact on So like the trope needs to either become consistent or stop being done
m8 its never worked its a dumb gimmick to get clowns like you to buy the same game twice. They've never done this just for the novelty in the story. Literally just for extra shekels.
'like yeah sometimes it works like Sumire in Persona 5 Royal or Rin in Catherine Full Body but Marie in Persona 4 Golden and Nana in Soul Hackers 2 both just get stapled into narratives they don't fit into and end up feeling tact on" I honestly don't see how Royal and Full Body are any different from Golden or Soul Hackers 2 in that regard. In fact, the only ATLUS game where the "mysterious new girl" thing mostly worked was Strange Journey REDUX (in my opinion, at least), and every other time they tried to pull it off before or since ended in a complete failure. Rin literally breaks the entire premise of Catherine, ruining the established Freedom/Individuality/Commitment trichotomy by introducing a third romance option that not only has almost nothing to do with anything else going on in a story, but is also so cute and sweet and caring compared to the two (very flawed) original girls that most people will naturally gravitate towards him and miss a lot of what made the "classic" Catherine so great. Plus, Rin is a femboy, so he gets additional attractiveness points for that, too, considering that him being a crossdresser was somewhat of a big selling point. As for Sumire, I quite liked her character during the third semester, but the way she was integrated into the rest of the narrative ranges from somewhat decent to awful, and the prologue of the game is a very good example of the latter: the whole point of that scene is that Joker plays the role of a scapegoat, drawing all attention to himself and allowing the rest of the Phantom Thieves to escape unnoticed, but ATLUS just couldn't keep it in their pants, so eager to show the players their new $60 waifu, and so they fucked up everything by randomly having Yoshizawa support Joker during one of the tutorial battles. Just think about it: someone who hasn't played the vanilla Persona 5 and just picked up Royal for the first time will meet Sumire - a character who is barely relevant to the plot for about 80% of the game - before they meet Morgana, or Ryuji, or Ann. How stupid-ass backwards is that? So, yeah, I fully agree with your conclusion that "the trope needs to either become consistent or stop being done", but disagree that ATLUS were ever really "good" at it (SJ REDUX is a single exception that proves the rule).
Japan in general have a trope problem. I'm not sure why it's used as a crutch so much with certain companies picking their go-to for it, but when it comes to girls: "waifu" bait. They know the lonely otaku will bite or people caught up in the cute. I miss when they didn't pay so much attention to archetypes and created characters. Now the characters have to be a characterization. They aren't as bad as others, but still going down the path even Square-Enix found itself.
@@charlottewiltshire6076 SMT games don't overplay their hand, in my opinion. They did seem to fail with SMT V having weak characterization, so maybe the issues is Atlus now. They are trying to sell trends, which was an issue back when that transition was happening with SMT IV Apocalypse. New blood don't have old-school views or ideas, they've been raised in a kawaii and moe generation. It's almost a creative bankrupt issue they have whereas the West inserts political ideology.
Honestly what baffles me the most is that the Phantom Thieves costume is pre-order *locked*. Not pre-order "exclusive" like a lot of other games do their pre-order material, where it just kinda is the deluxe edition, you just got it at a cheaper price. No it's straight up *locked*. As in, unless you fuck with Steamworks, you can't get these costumes anymore. The only real consolation from what I can find is that it's not DLC _content_ but instead is merely a Steamworks license check (similar to Paradox-style DLC) so it's not a permanent disaster from a preservation perspective. Even so, this sort of DLC practice fell out of favor years ago after GameStop preorders were met with so much backlash for a reason. The only ones that get away with it these days are MMOs and Live Services and Soul Hackers 2 is neither of those.
I’ve recently beat the game and it was alight. It’s a 7-8/10 game at best. The game was listed at $30 on Amazon and I’ve used a $25 gift card. I think I got my money’s worth for what it is.
The demon dlc pisses me off. These are included in every game and now we have to pay $13? Bruh moment. Locking the phantom thieves outfit behind the digital edition really pissed me off tho ngl the Ringo joker looks fire
I wouldn't mind the costume DLC if the whole feature wasn't purely DLC. P4: Golden had it right with the wide array of quests to complete and Atlus basically said "never again."
right? imagine if it was just part of the game's normal player customization. and they made the game, they could made it feel far more natural as well. but nop, its something for battles only.
Something else I hate is that Ai-Ho and the Mary skin are locked behind the digital ultimate edition and the Phantom Thieves skins were pre-order only but only certain versions. I got the collector's edition (which I have to wait a month for the contents of) and it comes with none of the DLC, not even the Phantom Thieves preorder stuff. If I want to have all the content I have to pay an extra $40 and since there's no upgrade pack or separate DLC I'd have to spend another $90 for Ai-Ho and Mary's skin then hope someone has a spare code for the Phantom Thieves skins. It's genuinely insane how greedy and poorly handled this is.
Bruh atlus has been really disappointing with the non persona releases and it’s actually getting annoying it’s annoying how they’re just putting all their efforts into persona while having this devil may care attitude about everything else
Atlus day 1 DLC is pretty much guaranteed to be bad unless it's actually good content that they blatantly cut from the game (like the SMTV fiend DLC), which in a way makes it even more painful.
First of all, thank you for telling me about the smt4 difficulty dlc. I need to download that before the eshop vanishes. I still don't know how I feel about the costumes dlc. For me, that is way too expensive, but at the same time, I wouldn't buy it anyway and it's just cosmetics. If they charged $100 for it, it still wouldn't affect me in any way and my experience of the game would be unchanged and I wouldn't feel like I missed out on anything.
2:20 That's the point, It makes easier to force consumers to buy It now or have to pay for a re-release that will be more expensive than the OG. The fact that is DLC doesn't make It less of a bitch move.
Just so people know the Steam version of the game is on sale on Fanatical for 20% off, and an additional 5% off until September 6th. Which makes me a bit tempted to go for the premium version as it then becomes about $60... and I kinda want Nemissa... idk... might wait until last minute myself to see how I really feel.
Went on the psn store to pre order a while back and saw that the $90 version had story dlc that the $60 dollar version didn't have and backed out of the store
Seriously, my relationship with Atlus and their games have been seriously strained in recent years. It feels like that ever since SMTIV it has been a slow and creeping decent as the series identity and integrity erodes away, SH2 just being the latest example of this. Meanwhile, toxic business decisions make an already bad situation worse, further disincentivizing me to get invested in any way.
What makes it worse is that they put demons behind a paywall that normally were in the base game of past Atlus games like Mara and Satan. Add on top of that story DLC being day one as well, Atlus is clearly being very predatory with their DLC practices. A good example of a good way to do DLC is Xenoblade Chronicles 3, they didn't have a bunch of day one junk launched with the game, they announced an expansion pass with content that will release over the course of the next year (including a meaty story expansion).
It's DLC practices like this that turn a game I might have picked up on Sale, cause Money's fairly tight atm into an apathetic sigh and probably not going to bother even if it's on Sale decision.
Wait, fucking MASAKADO, SATAN, AND MARA ARE DLC? I can get Nemissa being DLC, she's literally a cameo from a previous game, and even looks the same, but those three are fucking iconic!
Earlier this year I saw a heavily discounted game on steam but the DLC were almost full price so I started to buy games without any DLC at all, just the base game and thats it, it actually doesn't make that much of a difference tbh and I saved a lot of money...
Well... at least its nice of Atlus to bundle the booster item DLC and the extra story DLC in the deluxe edition, which is what i got. Dunno if it's regional pricing or something but buying the deluxe edition was cheaper than buying base game + story arc DLC. I tried the booster items and thought it was broken af, so i disabled it in the config. But looks like i might need it by the end of the story arc DLC.
Actually chances are you might have the costumes and they simply aren't appearing because the PC version's costume DLC is broken for a lot of people Though maybe it's fixed by now?
i'm so glad i decided to skip this game. i was literally a few seconds away from downloading the Digital Premium edition for $90, but my gut feeling pushed me to double check the commentary online. and yeah, it's not worth it.
Honestly I don’t mind the grinding DLC in games because usually once I’ve beaten the game I like to grind my character out to be as strong as possible. SMT IV Apocolypse made this very fun and easy to do, especially considering you can go beyond level 99, and all stats can be increased to 999. SMT V grinding wasn’t as fun because by the end of the true neutral route you’re already around the max level, and from what I remember there was no reliable way to get stat boosting items with the DLC. That was kind of weird IMO, you’re already selling an easy way to level up so why exclude the one thing you want to level up for? This time around it looks pretty promising, grinding in this game really isn’t that bad in the first place, but if I ever want to make my party unstoppable once I’ve beaten everything I’ll pick it up.
i hate them because they feel unatural. i would rather the game have spots that feel like a natural place to grind as much as i want. having it the way they made just takes away from the gameplay experience.
I do like the swimsuit costumes. And the weird loop it does trying to zoom at ringo's panties is appreciated to some extend..... but its a lil bit expensive yes
People saying “they’re fine with dlc day1 cosmetics”, but this is exactly what lead to current issue. People started to be less concerned about day1 dlc if they’re “just” cosmetics, so companies became bolder and bolder. Man, no day1 dlcs are acceptable no matter what content they included. Small indie developers are able to put big free expansions, so I’m not ok with big companies doing it day1 for money.
Only DLC I bothered checking out was the extra story arc because I'm a sucker for added content. Gotta say I'm glad it's pretty much a complete package without any of it but severely disappointed Nemissa isn't just in the base game as I love throw backs to the older titles. Still easy enough ignored and didn't snag me the same way I jumped on the SMT IV DLC immediately.
i was hoping with the demon dlc before I saw it that it was like P5 where they were altered versions of demons form past games, not copies like this. ig with that it was about persona so prob wouldn't have seen them here but would have been cool
I am really split about the dlc, not in the sense that I think it has ups and downs (I absolutely hate it the content given here should have been free and if they absolutely had to make it paid then they are all still incredibly expensive) but rather in the sense that I am unsure on buying them. On one hand I don't want to support the day one dlc practices at any cost but on the other hand Soul Hackers is one of my all time favourite games and I would really love to have the outfits and nemissa as a demon, both of which make me hate the dlc even more and make me want to buy it even less
Would be cool if someone just modded the game to enable the dlc shit for free, sure that’s literally piracy in every way but piracy is cool (also probably not as simple to do as I think it is)
yeah, that's how they get you. You get used to shit like this, maybe even support it, then they go deeper. I wonder if you will be fine when you will have to pay for every hour you play. No? Too bad, too late to go back now. Stop gaming? Well, thanks for destroying our passion and taking a leave.
Probably getting this on sale. Dungeons were a let down and this dlc practice is something I don't feel comfortable giving them $60 for. Love Atlus but no.
I was thinking of getting the DLC but once I found out that you can only see them in battle I decided not to. That is so stupid, why not give option to see Ringo in different outfits while I walk around?
Between the dlc and lame dungeons and underwhelming battle system i might just pass on sh2, which sucks cause if it doesnt sell great who knows when our next smt spinoff stuff will be
I just bought all the dlc as a bundle for $10 (75% off) and I bought a physical brand new copy of the game for my PS5 for $15. Saved $75 buying everything this way. I wasn’t even going to get the dlc but I bought the game at such a discount and the dlc was also very heavily discounted that I got everything for less than half of the base game.
Love when i get an ad for a game i already bought XD, anyways living in Mexico game was about 1/2 price+got an xbox store coupon so i bought the deluxe version (includes "Lost Numbers" and Grinding) but the boredom of the dungeons especially Soul Matrix made me shell out for the Costume sets just for the music (have barely used costumes) and in some ways i kind of regret it given the armor items you get can be particularly strong with effects like +Sabbath damage, MP regen on every action and passive Dodge Phys/Gun while improving as you level, i dont use the MP regen and Dodge ones but knowing they exist in my inv kinda corrodes some aspects of the game, ill just say down here the prices are a bit more reasonable for the DLC and if i lived in the US i wouldn't have even bought SH2 (for reference base game only was around 35$ USD equivalent the ultra deluxe with all DLC was 60$, costume DLC was around 6.5$)
I have the premium edition and I'm actually agree with all of this. I bought it in Fanatical for 70€ and I would never did that for the full price, is almost a scam.
Sounds like I'll be pirating Soul Hackers 2. Been an Atlus fanboy since Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2, and its just sad to see the state of this company. P5R is still the last Atlus title I bought and may be the last ever at this rate.
why would they need to make an achievement for it? Dark Souls 2 has a couple of rings that require you to not die or not use the bonfire. they are completely useless for everything besides showing off. its a literal achievement. but you arent required to get either to get all achievements. there are many other games that do the same, they have higher dificulties, but dont lock achievements to it. its not hard to do.
@@marcosdheleno nobody is requiring them to make the very hard achievement, but they typically have a “beat the base game on the hardest difficulty” achievement in their RPGs. Stands to reason they thought the average trophy hunter wouldn’t want to go through Very Hard for a trophy, or just wanted to make the difficulty selection trophy easier, etc
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That hurdle of having to get the free dlc to unlock 'very hard' mode is most likely a tactic to get people onto the storepage and expose them to the other priced dlc. To entice them to buy one of or all the other dlc. I do not see any other reason for this seeing as they have the capacity to just patch it into the game or simply have it be ready at launch.
It definitely is. A lot of MMOs do this, where they will advertise and offer free DLC packs including beginner items, and then right under said free items, you'll be bombarded with the "actual" DLCs. Black Desert Online does this ALOT(and it's even worse cause that's a pay to play MMO, only like 5-10 bucks nowadays but still)
i was gonna argue Unity didn't support hot fixes. Than i remember, the big 3 made it recently a requirement for the current systems to get games published
Man, seeing Atlus go down this path hurts a little worse than other companies.
P5 route
@@therealjaystone2344 more like the Ubisoft route
This is not anything new, it has been this way since SMTIV
Could be worst we could have that literally book of dlc koei tecmo puts out for some stuff.
@@ricardobelmont5984 Just because someone else has it worse doesnt excuse this.
I'm fine with cosmetics and music DLC (even tho I would prefer for costumes to be unlocked by playing), but story/characters/demons being locked behind them is a huge pain in the ass.
I think Atlus is testing the stage to what they can get away with in terms of DLC, they are pushing more and more, until we say "thats enought" and thats where they will set their bar. We can expect similar DLC pratices in all future games.
i also hate when fan favorite demons get locked behind dlc
ESPECIALLY mara and satan, just saying that decision is questionable would be the understatement of the century
The fact the made mara and satan DLC is the actual dealbreaker. Those should have been in from the start. They definitely made them and then decided 'haha dlc time'
wow i didint know mara was locked. is this future of gaming? also this game jas no regional price on steam, the price are fucking insane on my country
I think they’re beyond “testing.”
It clearly works; maybe not for a few of us, but clearly *enough.*
The music and costume dlcs are still overpriced af
The free dlc is specifically there just to take you the storefront and climatize you as the user to what it looks like. And basically its a "walkthrough" of buying the DLC, paving that pathway in your brain so you can shorten the time between impulse and analysis.
Yeah you’re exactly right
i really miss the times where we could get a costume or bgm by completing an achievement or doing an easter egg
or in horror games u'd get funny stuff for NG+ ;____;
Ringo being the only one that runs around in the dungeons is probably the *reason* why Atlus didn’t bother with the costumes.
Apathy.
Syndrome.
Really though you only ever see the costumes in battles anyway.
I hate DLC structures like this in general. DLC should only be for legitimate game expansions like the story stuff, and should most definitely not be day 1 DLC. Games should be going on the shelf in a complete state, with expansions coming later. Day 1 DLC is fine for cosmetics etc, that don't actually impact gameplay and it doesn't negatively impact the player to not buy them. Holding back parts of a game to sell them separately **ON LAUNCH DAY ESPECIALLY** is an absolutely cancerous and anti-consumer practice that should not be supported in any way.
Japan doesn’t care about the fans but imagine if a AAA studio Didi the same in the west
@@therealjaystone2344 The west are who really popularised scummy DLC and microtransactions dude, Japan joined the party only recently.
@@therealjaystone2344 they're doing it all the time though. I guess people in japan are so obedient they just accept whatever. This actually makes a lot of sense.
I mean there's day 1 Xenoblade 3 dlc. But the DLC for Xenoblade is pretty fantastic usually
@@therealjaystone2344 Haha yeah, imagine that...
Atlus has ALWAYS had this issue.Smt iv had the archangels locked behind a paywall,a booster dlc,and 2 random boss battles that had zero significance or justification for buying them.
Hell persona 5 alone had enough payed dlc that you can buy another triple A game with the amount they wanted you to spend on it.
Best title and thumbnail duo I seen yet
Made me laugh when I got the notification.
Fr its on point
Even the $13 for costumes was a stretch. Everything beyond that is an insult, especially considering this is day 1 DLC. Puts me off of buying the whole damn game, honestly.
Imagine Switch owners had the game a year later with DLC included into the cartridge
Right? I'm legit considering just finding a crack for the whole thing to not pay for any of it, just because giving any money seems like I'm endorsing this sort of release practice and I just can't support it. Maybe someday when a steam sale puts it to 80% off or more, then it'll get my money. By then there'll be a re-release with the complete package anyway.
It put me off for sure
@@Cyberdragunz Just to let you know, Soul Hackers 2 uses Denuvo so probably will never be cracked on PC. SMT Nocturne Remasterted has still not been cracked on PC
@@hornetsaysshaw3290 That seems more like the crackers don't bother cracking Nocturne remastered
"Can modders add in the same content as your DLC?" If the answer to this question is yes, you aren't doing DLC right. Vanity changes and background music isn't worth money, it should be part of the game.
Remember when games made you earn costumes through in-game challenges, making it more worthwhile to play the game beyond the main quest? I sure do, but it seems like almost no game devs remember that. As for BGM, you can just turn the game volume off and play tracks on your phone if you want different music.
I remember those days. They made the games worth it and memorable. You did something to earn them, uncovered a secret that was part of the game as well. Now you give money and just....open a chest or something and it's there. As always, the trade of with better graphics was creativity and story takes a back seat. Not often will you find someone maintaining that balance.
Won't lie was looking forward to playing soul hackers 2 when I heard about it. Unfortunately the paid day one dlc is a deal breaker for me, I wouldn't feel right supporting the practice.
SMTV too and you have to wait a week later after launch for a price cut and DLC bundle too
Just don’t buy the dlc and just the main game. If you don’t buy the dlc it’s hopefully teach Atlus that day one dlc is bullshit and they shouldn’t do this again
Here's a basic explanation
Getting dlc and the game= these game is great and the dlc is also great
Getting only the game = game is good but dlc is bad
Not getting either = we don't want more spinoffs we just want persona and mainline smt.
You really don't need the DLC. It's an awesome game. Buy the base game and have fun. Vote with your dollars by refusing to buy the DLC.
@@---oq5kb in other words, its manipulative BS that will punish a community for not wanting this kind of shit.
“Lemon-Lime edition.” I almost spit out my drink. Ahhhh my sides. 😭
It’s crazy to think that if this game had been ‘complete’ at launch and included the costumes as hidden items, included the dlc quest in the base game…it would have likely gotten better reviews and just sold more copies. Altus really does dlc poorly and has for a while now, and it’s a shame. They have fans who really care about their ip hand they milk them rather than take care of them. I mean, I’ve loved smt for years and years but day 1 dlc really pisses me off
Well, it's not SMT anymore. They took it from the title for a reason.
What are you even whining about here?
Hopefully they'll learn from this and stop locking content behind paywalls AT LAUNCH
nah they never learn
Stop buying dLc
Probably not the Atlus simps will continue buying the dlcs no matter what
@@kingleoverse I don't even have the base game lol, I might buy it, but definetely without dlc
They won't.
When will Atlus stop with this day 1 dlc bs they expect someone to buy a game seeing $56 worth of dlc content on day 1? That’s damn near how much full price games used to be…
And to top of that, you have to wait a week later for a bundled package for cheap
This is pretty standard now with Atlus campaign of burning bridges while milking the success of other entries/spinoffs and making you pay for it.
Was thinking we'd get an SMTV BGM/costume set. Least we got Raidou.
This DLC really kinda turns me away from the game sadly. Cant get stuff unless I buy the digital premium edition? Thats some Koei Techmo bs. They dropped the ball with this game so I'm gonna wait for a nice sale on the PS4 physical. I want PC but I hate dealing with Denuvo.
i just have one word for these types of consumer exploytation: AHOY!!!!!
If the game underperforms tell Atlus and Sega it's because of the DLC. Even if that's not accurate it might be the best way to convince them to knock it off already.
This video eliminated any regrets I might've had about not buying the DLC. I'll just play the game as is, this isn't worth the money, like you said.
Since the 3ds eShop will be eventually close forever I would be great to know about the DLCs in those SMT games as well
Just emulate them
Better yet, install CFW and play natively. Why pay money for something that's about to be taken away?
@@raymondlevy1255 because emulating touch screen controls is not fun AT ALL
@@paperluigi6132
>emulating 3DS games on a 3DS
???
Atlus day 1 DLC be like: 20 Dollars for 9 Demons 😰
worse, its 20 dollars for op demons that will unbalance the game completely and make you feel like they are either mandatory or instigate you to use them instead of the stuff you have to find playing normaly.
It's a shame ATLUS treated this game badly with regards to DLC. One reason I'm hoping it comes to Switch later on is so that the Switch port could include some of this DLC on cart. At the very least the bonus story with Nana should be included on cart in such a port.
Just wait one year from now
That’s why p5R on all platforms is good because all the dlc will now be preserved on a disc
Also most of the dungeons are pretty bland
@@mtsthoughts2008 honestly, the dungeon design feels like a vita jrpg lmao
@@Omelander How tf P5R on platform is good when the DLCs are locked behind on a paywall for the PS4 version?
ATLUS really has to give the "mysterious new girl" thing a rest
like yeah sometimes it works like Sumire in Persona 5 Royal or Rin in Catherine Full Body but Marie in Persona 4 Golden and Nana in Soul Hackers 2 both just get stapled into narratives they don't fit into and end up feeling tact on
So like the trope needs to either become consistent or stop being done
m8 its never worked its a dumb gimmick to get clowns like you to buy the same game twice. They've never done this just for the novelty in the story. Literally just for extra shekels.
'like yeah sometimes it works like Sumire in Persona 5 Royal or Rin in Catherine Full Body but Marie in Persona 4 Golden and Nana in Soul Hackers 2 both just get stapled into narratives they don't fit into and end up feeling tact on"
I honestly don't see how Royal and Full Body are any different from Golden or Soul Hackers 2 in that regard. In fact, the only ATLUS game where the "mysterious new girl" thing mostly worked was Strange Journey REDUX (in my opinion, at least), and every other time they tried to pull it off before or since ended in a complete failure.
Rin literally breaks the entire premise of Catherine, ruining the established Freedom/Individuality/Commitment trichotomy by introducing a third romance option that not only has almost nothing to do with anything else going on in a story, but is also so cute and sweet and caring compared to the two (very flawed) original girls that most people will naturally gravitate towards him and miss a lot of what made the "classic" Catherine so great. Plus, Rin is a femboy, so he gets additional attractiveness points for that, too, considering that him being a crossdresser was somewhat of a big selling point.
As for Sumire, I quite liked her character during the third semester, but the way she was integrated into the rest of the narrative ranges from somewhat decent to awful, and the prologue of the game is a very good example of the latter: the whole point of that scene is that Joker plays the role of a scapegoat, drawing all attention to himself and allowing the rest of the Phantom Thieves to escape unnoticed, but ATLUS just couldn't keep it in their pants, so eager to show the players their new $60 waifu, and so they fucked up everything by randomly having Yoshizawa support Joker during one of the tutorial battles. Just think about it: someone who hasn't played the vanilla Persona 5 and just picked up Royal for the first time will meet Sumire - a character who is barely relevant to the plot for about 80% of the game - before they meet Morgana, or Ryuji, or Ann. How stupid-ass backwards is that?
So, yeah, I fully agree with your conclusion that "the trope needs to either become consistent or stop being done", but disagree that ATLUS were ever really "good" at it (SJ REDUX is a single exception that proves the rule).
preach
Japan in general have a trope problem. I'm not sure why it's used as a crutch so much with certain companies picking their go-to for it, but when it comes to girls: "waifu" bait. They know the lonely otaku will bite or people caught up in the cute. I miss when they didn't pay so much attention to archetypes and created characters. Now the characters have to be a characterization. They aren't as bad as others, but still going down the path even Square-Enix found itself.
@@charlottewiltshire6076 SMT games don't overplay their hand, in my opinion. They did seem to fail with SMT V having weak characterization, so maybe the issues is Atlus now. They are trying to sell trends, which was an issue back when that transition was happening with SMT IV Apocalypse. New blood don't have old-school views or ideas, they've been raised in a kawaii and moe generation. It's almost a creative bankrupt issue they have whereas the West inserts political ideology.
Honestly what baffles me the most is that the Phantom Thieves costume is pre-order *locked*. Not pre-order "exclusive" like a lot of other games do their pre-order material, where it just kinda is the deluxe edition, you just got it at a cheaper price.
No it's straight up *locked*. As in, unless you fuck with Steamworks, you can't get these costumes anymore. The only real consolation from what I can find is that it's not DLC _content_ but instead is merely a Steamworks license check (similar to Paradox-style DLC) so it's not a permanent disaster from a preservation perspective.
Even so, this sort of DLC practice fell out of favor years ago after GameStop preorders were met with so much backlash for a reason. The only ones that get away with it these days are MMOs and Live Services and Soul Hackers 2 is neither of those.
I’ll buy Soul Hackers 2 when it’s around the $20 range.
$10
Or when they port it to switch with all the dlc in there. Considering its poor sales i imagine sega or atlus will probably squeeze one out later.
I'll just pirate it.
I’ve recently beat the game and it was alight. It’s a 7-8/10 game at best. The game was listed at $30 on Amazon and I’ve used a $25 gift card. I think I got my money’s worth for what it is.
I'm a simple man I see Nemissa in the thumbnail I click
Wait what?! Nemissa isn’t even in the game itself? No side mission for her, even if she’s from the same series? Jesus Atlus.
4:39 And you can do that too in Persona 4 Golden.
I really don't understand why they made it like that here.
The demon dlc pisses me off. These are included in every game and now we have to pay $13? Bruh moment. Locking the phantom thieves outfit behind the digital edition really pissed me off tho ngl the Ringo joker looks fire
dont forget how it also breaks balance, since you can get them anytime.
Damn, and I really wanted that maid outfit.
I'm starting to get a bit nervous for Persona 6.
3:53 "how about some devil summoner 1 costumes?" While showing Rei's outfit
Nyarly moment
Remember when we had costumes to buy in game with in game money in persona 4 golden? I member…
The only Demon that would be unique to use is Nemisa in that DLC. Definitely not worth 13 bucks.
I'm just waiting for the game to get cracked cuz i ain't buying all of this shit
I find it weird that there isn't smt v outfits, party members in Tokusatsu costumes would make me buy the dlc lmao
I wouldn't mind the costume DLC if the whole feature wasn't purely DLC. P4: Golden had it right with the wide array of quests to complete and Atlus basically said "never again."
right? imagine if it was just part of the game's normal player customization. and they made the game, they could made it feel far more natural as well. but nop, its something for battles only.
Something else I hate is that Ai-Ho and the Mary skin are locked behind the digital ultimate edition and the Phantom Thieves skins were pre-order only but only certain versions. I got the collector's edition (which I have to wait a month for the contents of) and it comes with none of the DLC, not even the Phantom Thieves preorder stuff. If I want to have all the content I have to pay an extra $40 and since there's no upgrade pack or separate DLC I'd have to spend another $90 for Ai-Ho and Mary's skin then hope someone has a spare code for the Phantom Thieves skins. It's genuinely insane how greedy and poorly handled this is.
Bruh atlus has been really disappointing with the non persona releases and it’s actually getting annoying it’s annoying how they’re just putting all their efforts into persona while having this devil may care attitude about everything else
SH2 is persona while SH1 was SMT
@@therealjaystone2344 yep
@@therealjaystone2344 Amen.
Atlus day 1 DLC is pretty much guaranteed to be bad unless it's actually good content that they blatantly cut from the game (like the SMTV fiend DLC), which in a way makes it even more painful.
Saving $0.97 on the DLC bundle is better than in the UK, where buying the DLC separate is £1 cheaper than the bundle because of course it is.
i cant get over lemon lime edition that is the most perfect name for a P5 royal counter part for Soul hackers 2
First of all, thank you for telling me about the smt4 difficulty dlc. I need to download that before the eshop vanishes.
I still don't know how I feel about the costumes dlc. For me, that is way too expensive, but at the same time, I wouldn't buy it anyway and it's just cosmetics. If they charged $100 for it, it still wouldn't affect me in any way and my experience of the game would be unchanged and I wouldn't feel like I missed out on anything.
2:20 That's the point, It makes easier to force consumers to buy It now or have to pay for a re-release that will be more expensive than the OG.
The fact that is DLC doesn't make It less of a bitch move.
Just so people know the Steam version of the game is on sale on Fanatical for 20% off, and an additional 5% off until September 6th.
Which makes me a bit tempted to go for the premium version as it then becomes about $60... and I kinda want Nemissa... idk... might wait until last minute myself to see how I really feel.
Went on the psn store to pre order a while back and saw that the $90 version had story dlc that the $60 dollar version didn't have and backed out of the store
I only buy physical games so content being locked behind digital purchase is such a huge turnoff for me
Seriously, my relationship with Atlus and their games have been seriously strained in recent years. It feels like that ever since SMTIV it has been a slow and creeping decent as the series identity and integrity erodes away, SH2 just being the latest example of this. Meanwhile, toxic business decisions make an already bad situation worse, further disincentivizing me to get invested in any way.
I agree about the "new" demons "Saladin", "Nobunaga" And "Jean D Arc".
What makes it worse is that they put demons behind a paywall that normally were in the base game of past Atlus games like Mara and Satan. Add on top of that story DLC being day one as well, Atlus is clearly being very predatory with their DLC practices. A good example of a good way to do DLC is Xenoblade Chronicles 3, they didn't have a bunch of day one junk launched with the game, they announced an expansion pass with content that will release over the course of the next year (including a meaty story expansion).
It's DLC practices like this that turn a game I might have picked up on Sale, cause Money's fairly tight atm into an apathetic sigh and probably not going to bother even if it's on Sale decision.
Yep that's what I feared. Im just going to wait until the price drop. I just started SMT 3 and its been a blast.
I for the life of me will not understand why the only atlus game I ever enjoyed was persona 3 portable
heard the Costume packs are only worn during battle and not in the open world, which also sucks
This disrespect for p1 and p2 is getting old now.
I beat Lost Numbers final boss on recommended level. After two sidequests and some party optimisation it's hard but doable.
8:02 Oh thank you for that, some youtubers don't do that
I got a soul hackers ad when seeing this
Wait, fucking MASAKADO, SATAN, AND MARA ARE DLC? I can get Nemissa being DLC, she's literally a cameo from a previous game, and even looks the same, but those three are fucking iconic!
There really needs to be a toggle for disabling the DLC demons before you reach their level
You know Atlus fucked up when you can make an entire ten-minute video to elaborate on a single word.
Earlier this year I saw a heavily discounted game on steam but the DLC were almost full price so I started to buy games without any DLC at all, just the base game and thats it, it actually doesn't make that much of a difference tbh and I saved a lot of money...
Well... at least its nice of Atlus to bundle the booster item DLC and the extra story DLC in the deluxe edition, which is what i got. Dunno if it's regional pricing or something but buying the deluxe edition was cheaper than buying base game + story arc DLC.
I tried the booster items and thought it was broken af, so i disabled it in the config. But looks like i might need it by the end of the story arc DLC.
Actually chances are you might have the costumes and they simply aren't appearing because the PC version's costume DLC is broken for a lot of people
Though maybe it's fixed by now?
i'm so glad i decided to skip this game. i was literally a few seconds away from downloading the Digital Premium edition for $90, but my gut feeling pushed me to double check the commentary online. and yeah, it's not worth it.
They're trimming the juicy steak fat and trying to sell back.
Can't wait for Atlus to remake P3FES and have day 1 dlc that includes the answer 🥳
"Marie was handled better"
Lol
Lmao
Ngl seeing that Raidou Kuzunoha outfit almost made me buy the dlc. Hate these practices.
always love when you upload brother
All those costumes and not a single Demonica suit!!!
Honestly I don’t mind the grinding DLC in games because usually once I’ve beaten the game I like to grind my character out to be as strong as possible. SMT IV Apocolypse made this very fun and easy to do, especially considering you can go beyond level 99, and all stats can be increased to 999. SMT V grinding wasn’t as fun because by the end of the true neutral route you’re already around the max level, and from what I remember there was no reliable way to get stat boosting items with the DLC. That was kind of weird IMO, you’re already selling an easy way to level up so why exclude the one thing you want to level up for? This time around it looks pretty promising, grinding in this game really isn’t that bad in the first place, but if I ever want to make my party unstoppable once I’ve beaten everything I’ll pick it up.
i hate them because they feel unatural. i would rather the game have spots that feel like a natural place to grind as much as i want. having it the way they made just takes away from the gameplay experience.
I do like the swimsuit costumes. And the weird loop it does trying to zoom at ringo's panties is appreciated to some extend..... but its a lil bit expensive yes
People saying “they’re fine with dlc day1 cosmetics”, but this is exactly what lead to current issue. People started to be less concerned about day1 dlc if they’re “just” cosmetics, so companies became bolder and bolder. Man, no day1 dlcs are acceptable no matter what content they included. Small indie developers are able to put big free expansions, so I’m not ok with big companies doing it day1 for money.
Only DLC I bothered checking out was the extra story arc because I'm a sucker for added content. Gotta say I'm glad it's pretty much a complete package without any of it but severely disappointed Nemissa isn't just in the base game as I love throw backs to the older titles. Still easy enough ignored and didn't snag me the same way I jumped on the SMT IV DLC immediately.
Hmm, I might get the extra story DLC when it's on sale and I'm on NG+. Maybe the demons as well. The rest I'll skip.
Seems like atlus efforts only go to persona nowadays.
i was hoping with the demon dlc before I saw it that it was like P5 where they were altered versions of demons form past games, not copies like this. ig with that it was about persona so prob wouldn't have seen them here but would have been cool
5:30, oh god my eyes. Mentions $13 dlc… oh now that’s just disgusting.
With SMT V Atlus started to fall off really hard and it's not showing signs of stopping
Thanks for the review, I was considering the story DLC but I’ll skip it.
I am really split about the dlc, not in the sense that I think it has ups and downs (I absolutely hate it the content given here should have been free and if they absolutely had to make it paid then they are all still incredibly expensive) but rather in the sense that I am unsure on buying them. On one hand I don't want to support the day one dlc practices at any cost but on the other hand Soul Hackers is one of my all time favourite games and I would really love to have the outfits and nemissa as a demon, both of which make me hate the dlc even more and make me want to buy it even less
Would be cool if someone just modded the game to enable the dlc shit for free, sure that’s literally piracy in every way but piracy is cool (also probably not as simple to do as I think it is)
i honestly dont mind DLC anymore.. Im just used to it now. As long as the game isnt severely damaged by the lack of the DLC, I am okay with it
DLCs are bad business practices at the start. Free updates is the bigger insult to us.
@@therealjaystone2344 I mostly agree but micro transactions I think have shifted the entire dynamic moving forward. :/
yeah, that's how they get you. You get used to shit like this, maybe even support it, then they go deeper. I wonder if you will be fine when you will have to pay for every hour you play. No? Too bad, too late to go back now. Stop gaming? Well, thanks for destroying our passion and taking a leave.
Probably getting this on sale. Dungeons were a let down and this dlc practice is something I don't feel comfortable giving them $60 for.
Love Atlus but no.
as a person who bought digital premium I hated how the only thing I felt was worth it was booster pack and the side story
When American companies do this shit:
Yeah I’m not buying this dumpster fire
When Japanese companies do this:
Oh GOD HOW FAR WILL YOU TEST ME!
Short answer: No.
Long answer: FUCK NO.
Longer answer: NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I was thinking of getting the DLC but once I found out that you can only see them in battle I decided not to. That is so stupid, why not give option to see Ringo in different outfits while I walk around?
Between the dlc and lame dungeons and underwhelming battle system i might just pass on sh2, which sucks cause if it doesnt sell great who knows when our next smt spinoff stuff will be
I dont mind day 1 dlc, but...costumes only showing up in combat? Are we back into the late 90s playing on our psx.
I just bought all the dlc as a bundle for $10 (75% off) and I bought a physical brand new copy of the game for my PS5 for $15. Saved $75 buying everything this way. I wasn’t even going to get the dlc but I bought the game at such a discount and the dlc was also very heavily discounted that I got everything for less than half of the base game.
Love when i get an ad for a game i already bought XD, anyways living in Mexico game was about 1/2 price+got an xbox store coupon so i bought the deluxe version (includes "Lost Numbers" and Grinding) but the boredom of the dungeons especially Soul Matrix made me shell out for the Costume sets just for the music (have barely used costumes) and in some ways i kind of regret it given the armor items you get can be particularly strong with effects like +Sabbath damage, MP regen on every action and passive Dodge Phys/Gun while improving as you level, i dont use the MP regen and Dodge ones but knowing they exist in my inv kinda corrodes some aspects of the game, ill just say down here the prices are a bit more reasonable for the DLC and if i lived in the US i wouldn't have even bought SH2 (for reference base game only was around 35$ USD equivalent the ultra deluxe with all DLC was 60$, costume DLC was around 6.5$)
Nemissa being paywalled is an insult to the first game.
i like akechi with a tommy gun
I have the premium edition and I'm actually agree with all of this. I bought it in Fanatical for 70€ and I would never did that for the full price, is almost a scam.
I'm curious on how many people actually bought the game let alone the premium edition??
Sounds like I'll be pirating Soul Hackers 2. Been an Atlus fanboy since Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2, and its just sad to see the state of this company. P5R is still the last Atlus title I bought and may be the last ever at this rate.
Very hard is DLC so they didn’t have to make the achievements tied to it, I’m pretty certain.
why would they need to make an achievement for it? Dark Souls 2 has a couple of rings that require you to not die or not use the bonfire. they are completely useless for everything besides showing off. its a literal achievement.
but you arent required to get either to get all achievements. there are many other games that do the same, they have higher dificulties, but dont lock achievements to it.
its not hard to do.
@@marcosdheleno nobody is requiring them to make the very hard achievement, but they typically have a “beat the base game on the hardest difficulty” achievement in their RPGs.
Stands to reason they thought the average trophy hunter wouldn’t want to go through Very Hard for a trophy, or just wanted to make the difficulty selection trophy easier, etc