My 2017 CRV oil dilution , Honda says it's OK ...Ugh
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- Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2018
- This video shows the oil dilution problem on my 2017 Honda CRV-EX with the 1.5 L turbo engine. You will see how over full my oil level is with GASOLINE. I took it into the Honda dealership, and was informed that this is normal and that it will not harm the engine. I'm sorry but gasoline in the oil is not good for an engine , I don't care what they say. On top of that, I asked them to at least, please change my oil .... their answer was NO, there is nothing wrong with it !!!! Once they told me that, all I can recommend to anyone out there considering buying a CRV with the 1.5 L turbo engine .... DO NOT DO IT. DO NOT BUY IT
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Report your problems to NHTSA - so it can be on record. Honda is trying to sweep this under the rug. Shame on Honda.
You need to buy Scotty Kilmer 's Toyota Celica. Better than Honda for sure.
rev up your toyota!!!
""Honda's have very week automatic transmissions""
the martha Focker exactly right! Scotty is the man !
if he'll sell it. i'd buy it
Scotty has always been right, he is a good man.
Shoulda bought a Toyota
Yeah and maybe eight water pumps! Lmao
Free tip:
Never buy a new generation model with new type of engines and transmissions, wait until the facelift at least or buy the proven model which is the regular 2.4 non turbo in this case.
Eddie not the facelift models. Most of the time facelifts haven’t been mechanically modified, only cosmetics have been altered.
Tru but what he means is wait for the tested model try to avoid a first year of a new gen wait for the 3rd or 4th year of tht generation
That means you would have to get the base model.
You’re talking about the mid cycle refresh. These are the ones to buy. All the kinks should be worked out.
It’s trash fuck it next car?
It's a standard response for manufactures to deny, deny, deny. Give it time. They will do a recall once they figure out how to deal with this. Really sorry to hear about this. I was with Honda for many, many years. I would suggest sending story to the Auto mags, Car and Driver, Motor Trend and Automobile. See if you can get their interest.
Here.....ruclips.net/video/sluNuVp2_TE/видео.html
This issue has been known for months though. China has a recall of 380k Honda's with turbo engines because of this same issue. They admitted the engine can lockup due to gasoline dilution.
Hey again Paul, did I tell you that I ended up finding a very nice CLS6?! :)
@@muscleandimports cool. I haven't heard from the buyer of my CLS. The car was in Hawaii!!!
@@paulff3 that's crazy..well if you ever do hear from them, I'm still interested because I always wanted silver and mine is black. I would love another one, it's such a great car!
Ever since Mr. Honda (the founder of company) left the scene, this company has not been what it used to be.
when did he leave?
@@MrNicks-gn8jc He passed away in 1992
lol so what your saying anything after 1992 everything was crap. lol gtfo. ive had plenty of good Honda's and Acuras.
@@1188clean I've owned plenty of Hondas civc and accords currently own an 8th gen Si and she's running like new soon to be built for boost.
We miss mr Honda
Thanks for the update in the other video. Glad you finally have heat in the winter time. I also bought my 2017 CRV from Rick Roush Honda in Medina. The update seems to have fixed most of the oil dilution problem. But I still have the issue with slow heat in the winter time.
No brand is reliable anymore, better off buying a bunch of old used vehicles and piecing then back together
The only issue with that plan is safety. Many old car models are pretty bad in crashes compared to the new ones. I'd drive a 90's Honda Civic if they had the same safety as a 2018 car.
Toyota is still building good stuff.
bryan1282 Toyota/Lexus is still the best when it comes to reliability
Toyota/Lexus and Kia/Hyundai make good cars
Better get back to the horses.
thanks for the report... sad story for you... and also for an otherwise very well rated vehicle... i hope they find a fix soon and do the right thing for those affected. Good luck Steve P
Sorry to hear. Had issues with my 2010 crv, not oil at least, but traded in for subaru. No suv is perfect but that sucks that Honda won’t help you out. Thanks for the video. Hope there is a fix coming your way soon. These vehicles are expensive, not like you can trade them in all the time. Honda Corp must be slipping but why now?!
What a shame for such reputable manufacturer which their number one product is "Engines"!!!
Have any engines actually failed due to this problem?
@@essel23fly it is just 2 year old engine. Failure will happen within a couple of years. So if you are looking to drive it problem free 10 years like old honda or toyora, forget about it.
@@essel23fly They WILL fail, probably for the next owner.
Thanks for letting the public know about this issue.
CRV is out of my list
My 2009 CRV has been totally trouble free. To see these new ones have this issue is quite disturbing especially when they tell you that it is normal. From what I am seeing online it is only 1.5 turbos that have this issue.
The problem starts with the "Earth Dreams" fuel injected engines. If you don't have that then you'll have a problem free engine.
to girl in glasses.....to state that it happens in all direct inject engines in extremely cold weather is NOT true. I have a 2013 Hyundai Accent with direct inject and I live in a very cold climate. I check my oil level often and it has never moved up or down between oil changes. Also, my daily drive to work is only a couple miles.
@美光伍 correct what you say but think some people wont hear that its a coming thing and they fill the car up with wrong gas.
And VW eu we have lots off issues still with those engines, see audi they are the worst oil burners. its all VW.
@@onenikkione sorry you have old direct ignition technoligy onboard, Hyundai bought the old Mitsubitshi DI technology from the 90 and still use it.
美光伍 what a load of bs
Honda has lost its way. They were great cars but the cores values of the Company's founder are no longer at play,
Steve P... Sorry to learn about your situation, there are 1000s of owners with the same problem like yours. My neighbor is having the same problem with his Civic Si too. Their Civic Si has a 1.5 engine too. So it just makes me wonder if it more than just the Crv 1.5 line. My mother's 2011 Crv that has more than 140k on it, it is running like a champion. The family and I, we were thinking of trading the old Crv for a new one. But after all the reports and videos I am seeing, we are going to keep it.
Good luck to you.
So what was the outcome of all this? Just curious, did you trade it for another vehicle or did the problem fix itself????
I was hoping one day to upgrade my car to a 2017 or newer Honda Civic Hatchback with that same engine the 1.5 Turbo inline 4. But after doing some research on this, I'm kinda disappointed to hear about this kind of news and then it made me change my mind in the future.
Say good bye to your piston rings... 😕
Steve are you sending your oil for analysis ? Looks like we have same issue! What state are you from?
Wow! Good to know. Just bought an ‘18 Accord Touring. I’m ready to do my first oil change at 1k miles because my oil has that grey tone in it from the new engine. I don’t trust dealerships as we all know they have been proven to intentionally damage cars for warranty claims. I will allow them to change my oil at scheduled intervals only if I can clearly see my car through the shop window or stand there while they do it. I always go back over my car and check everything such as you are doing in this video. I’m curious to see what oil level they leave my car at when I do actually have them change it. Regardless of the cars model the same engine in my Accord 1.5l turbo and your CRV. When the manufacturer creates a mark on the dipstick then that’s where the oil fills to. Not over because of some BS dilution crap. Your 100% right buddy!!!
Plan a trip somewhere. Something around 100 miles or so. Check the level before and after. Just curious. All the volatiles should burn off rather quickly once the oil is up to temp. Not to be confused with the coolant temp. Your coolant will come up to temp rather quickly, 5-15 miles but it could take 30 - 35 or more miles before the oil is up to flash off temperature where the fuel and moisture trapped in the oil will evaporate. Not diminishing the problem here, because there clearly is one. I only drive 5 miles back and forth to work so I try to take my vehicles on a 45min to hour trip at least every month or so. Short around town, city driving is the worst for a vehicle. Especially in cold weather. A rich fuel mixture coupled with pistons that have not expanded causes more blow by then on an engine that is fully warmed up.
I went on a long trip and noticed the gas evaporate from the oil. Youll always get gas in oil with direct injected engines, but long trips will remove the gas. Seems people would rather take a 7-8k loss and sell it off to buy a new car when cars arent an investment to begin with unless it is a classic.
I have a 2018 CR-V and have had all the software updates done. I’m in Canada things have really seemed to improved. Hopefully the updates are coming your way very soon.
Today I was thinking of going to the dealer and possibly trade my car for Crv but this video it is scaring me. Do you have any problem with your crv? Did you check out your oil level?
I did have some issues with the engine reaching a normal running temp which would help with fuel vaporizing rather than condensing making its way to the oil. These software updates seems to have corrected all of this so far. Many settings were changed including how much fuel is injected. All seems well again.
@@joegaspar181 thanks For info. There is any other SUV that you would consider to buy or refer?
I went back and forth with the Toyota Rav. In the end I really liked the Honda. I didn’t want the 2018 Rav since the model was changed for 2019. And I never buy a first year of a model change.
@@joegaspar181 That's great to hear. Have you checked everything out just to be safe and make sure?
The trade in value is really going to tank with these engines .
I was hesitating between CRV and RAV4 but because of this video I've made my decission that I'd stick with Rav4! Thanks u bunch man! I am wondering if this is a common problem in CRVs or just a random one..?
*BEFORE YOU BUY ANYTHING* go to NHTSA.gov. Once there, pick your year, make, model. Read through ALL THE COMPLAINTS. Take your time, check for patterns of problems that tend to occur a lot. If you're going to lay down cold hard cash, might as well do your research. And don't read Consumer Reports when it comes to cars. They usually have bogus information.
If that was me they'd be getting their car back. I did a lot of research 8 months ago when I purchased a new vehicle I ended up getting a 4-cylinder Toyota Tacoma because they are the best thing on the planet for reliability.
i am done with honda too.. my element was good but the brakes rust like hell and the service is now slow and expensive..
Couldn’t help but notice that’s my dealership. I was there the day after you. Ohio will be added to the list of states getting a possible fix sometime early next year at that point the dealership will have to at least attempt to fix your CRV.
Steve P what is your typical trip distance&duration from start to stop? (They said this might be when a car have many short city trips and no complete engine warm up.)
Have you tried to drive your CR-V for a long period like ~60 minutes non-stop? (they also say this could help to evaporate all gasoline from your hot oil)
It varies from the short trip to the corner, to the 38 mile commute to work. Definetly not a case of all short trips.
Continue to document your concerns with Honda (In writing) and let the engine Blow!! It will be covered by the warranty, if enough of them do that a mandatory recall should be issued?!$ The dealer you went to seems Ill informed, also consult with the service manager with your concerns. Again all in writing!!!
problem will come after warranty expires. Then honda will just say sorry, out of warranty.
Wow,
I've never seen that before.
That gas would destroy the lubrication of the oil and it being overfilled could destroy the engine.
Did you change the oil or a shop? They use to under fill my oil all the time just to tell me my engine needed work.
Was the pgmfi recall update done? And correct 3.9 quarts added? Might have overfilled oil . If you pay for filter in the recall it will take 3.9 quarts, if you only do recall the oil filter is reused. And only needs 3.4 to 3.5 quarts.
Gasoline in engine oil absolutely destroys engine bearings. Honda does not have a history of reliability, they used to, but that was quite some time ago. 7th generation Accords (‘03-‘07) catastrophic transmission failure with low mileage. Honda didn’t do much if anything for their customers back then either. Oh and let’s not forget about the odyssey vans, they suffered from even worse transmission problems than the Accord. I used to be a loyal Honda owner, but I’m not anymore. Last Honda that I owned was an ‘04 Accord v6. I’ve bought two Toyota’s since then and will never buy Honda again. I miss no opportunity to run Honda’s once good reputation into the ground. I freaking hate those bastards!
I've had 1991;1993 2003 and a 2010. All Honda civics . Great cars. Would I buy a new generation Honda.NO WAY.
I've had like 6 Honda's over the years and all of them were great vehicles. Zero serious issues. Currently driving a 07 Si.
1986 Toyota pickup 2wd lifted with 30X9 r15 tires 4:30 gears swap and LCE headers with the reliable 22r carburated. It was rebuilt in 2001 and still going 💪 But might finally need a overhaul after 18 years of faithful service.
Turbo and GDI are ruining things. This is what happens when govt dictates harsher and harsher emissions requirements, automakers want to cut costs and customers demand more performance in a non performance car. So really it's everyone's fault.
Yup. The way people drive these days is crazy. In town they are doing alot more than the seed limits. I see so many people getting pulled over trying to speed through town when there's traffic lights, traffic and cops on the road.
What's wrong with GDI engines ?
I don't necessarily think direct injection is a bad thing. My 1.5t runs 300lbft because it is direct injected. I believe it is like rotary engines... You have to know how to maintain YOUR engine. You can't maintain and drive these gdi engines like you used to Port injection engines
This actually has more to do with profit-driven expediency in their engineering than government regulation and emissions.
Small turbo motors just happen to do well at epa testing, as opposed to the real-world driving.
If anything, this is a result of relaxed government oversight, any gear head will tell you N/A motors are more efficient when driven normally, and last longer.
@@Mrtheboyfull Carbon buildup on the intake valves is pretty bad with GDI but even worse with turbos. There's no fuel washing the stems of the valves and PCV and EGR will recirculate vapors that contain oil and unburnt fuel and it can gum up the intake valves so bad that you end up getting misfires, reduced fuel economy and worse performance if it gets bad enough. There is zero way to fix this without removing the intake manifold and doing a manual/chemical cleaning or media blast. It's a big reason why VW/BMW have such a bad rep.
Using low NOACK oil, using top tier fuel, running a catch-can can help, but it will not eliminate the issue entirely. Not all companies will post their NOACK volatility, but Amsoil Signature is supposedly good but very $$$$. I personally use Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40 in my VW.
I love my Avalon no worries at all
Bang Bang Boogie as long as you dont own a 2006 you're solid
Do you still have it? I wonder if the new ones still do this, I saw Scotty Kilmer recommends an oil catch can for GDI engines, mostly for carbon build up but I wonder if it would help this issue.
I wonder if there a statement in the manual about the dangers of "overfilling" your engine with oil when changing it and that it can cause damage.....
Which is it Honda? Overfilled crankcase is bad or just fine/normal?
Amen! Ours is junk also.
franimal007 It’s junk? How so?
This is why engines have PCV valves, fuel and moisture will collect in the oil and once the oil is properly heated up, it will evaporate through the PCV valve and be burned through the engine. If your driving short distances, the oil won't heat up enough to evaporate the fuel in it and it will just accumulate in time. Which is ok, oil is designed to still perform with some dilution, and your maintenance manual will suggest shorter oil change intervals for small commutes.
But, how much dilution is too much, whats acceptable and what isnt? That's hard to say just by looking at the oil level. You really should send the oil off for analysis to get a better idea and see if its thinned out beyond grade or is still in spec.
Exactly, gas evaporates very quickly once the oil heats up to OPERATING temp. The comments on this video only show that the consumer is uneducated and unwilling to learn:)
I lived in Northern climates and I can tell you when it is 20 below, the engine really never heats up.@@Daniel-lv8ze
@@Daniel-lv8ze Your comment shows you're an idiot.
Research moron, its your friend.
I’m in the same boat. Didn’t hear about the oil dilution until months later after I got the CRV
I had a 2018 CR-V. I just traded it in yesterday with only 8K miles on it for a different car with no turbo or CVT transmission, just a big V6. I took the loss now because you know that the engine will explode when the warranty is over. It died on the expressway and I had to drive it to the dealer with no power in "limp mode" during rush hour (I was heading to work, had to take a sick day). 1K miles after that oil change, my oil was very high.
The dealer should have changed the oil, my dealer has changed my oil twice in the last 7 months free of charge due to the gas mixed in
That's a plain in the ass. Average 1.5 hr each time
There is an ecu update. Make sure you get it. My crv is problem free now
How do you they changed or not?
How do you know they changed or not?
@@ThuraMAung call them and ask if your VIN has had the recall. They did mine and a free oil change!
My Lord that's terrible. I hear Accords and civics with turbos have this issue as well. Thank goodness I didn't purchase another Honda😎 a Honda is not a Honda without a J35 under the hood😊
...or H22, or F22, or K24... :)
Uh. Ok.
What does the oil smell like? What does the oil feel like? Over volume is never good. My questions are more important. Thank you and look forward to a response.
OIl smells like gas, and is very watery. I took it to a local shop for the oil change and they were shocked at the condition of the oil.
i feel sorry for you man, Thanks for the heads up for everyone else
Crv.... Erx?
What submodel is that?
Errrrrr, it's an EX ....Errrrrr
I had to steve.
Sorry.
You bought the wrong honda lol jkjk...... 90s era was the golden age... some exceptions for some early 2000s models... sucks that they've gone downhill since. I blame all that smog emission laws making manufacturers move away from their roots that made their reputation.
Typically when you go to the dealership they won't have cars from thirty years ago for sale.
As you are stuck with the car, I would like to make a suggestion or two. Run 5w-20, and change your oil every 3,000 miles. Turbo's break down oil fast. The recommended oil, and change intervals are based on emission standards. That oil is probably suffering from thermal breakdown. Your engine will last longer if you change your oil more. If you really want to see what is going on with your oil, take a sample, and have it tested. It could be possible they overfilled it too, unless you checked it after they did an oil change.
Rust Belt, "...unless you checked it after they did an oil change." I do exactly this. When I take my car in for maintenance, I bring my own high quality synthetic (Amsoil), have them leave the empty containers on the front seat, then I check the oil level before driving off!
Amsoil uses mobil as a base stock, and synthetic oil is no longer castor or ester based. It is all petroleum based. There is a large amount of wordplay in that word now. I don't believe the synthetic hype. Change it before it breaks down, and use the same brand. That way the wear characteristics remain the same. That is what I do, and my stuff lasts a long time.
A little bit of oil dilution is normal in those engines.
Yours however does seem excessive. Ive seen the engine oil overfilled during oil changes. They only hold 3.5L
Did you get the latest recall done where they replace engine oil and update 2 control modules?
These oil life monitors call for crazy long oil change intervals. Change your oil at 50% if you are worried about it, I always change oil at 50% all those moving parts cost a lot to replace, oil is cheap.
It's getting fuel dumped into the oil, has nothing to do with longer intervals, have you read through this thread, LOL!
Btw the days of 3 month or 3000 miles are loooooong gone there buddy, LOL.
BS, the manufacturers only care if they make it through the warranty, buddy!
@@klasseact6663 So its best to keep that oil in for the service interval?
Be absolutely no benefit to running undiluted oil would there?
None at all.
@@jeeves6490 well yeah, THIS oil needs to go but IMO Honda should be paying for this, I thought you were talking in general terms.
@@klasseact6663 no the oil still gets dirty.
The diluted oil will cause lubrication failure in your engine and turbo and eventually seize the engine. You should replace the oil asap. If you really want to fix the problem by yourself and don't care about voiding the warranty, you may want to install a pcv breather, which increases oil temp and facilate gasoline to evaporate. The breather has to be small enough to avoid triggering CEL for a lean burn. Good luck！
I was thinking, is there a separator for this like the kind of oil/water separators on diesels??
Ray Yang fuel is not going to ruin the engine oil if you use the right oil spec for the vehicle as fuel blow by is considered when specing oil. Almost ever consumer car engine leaks fuel/combustion past the Piston rings during normal operation. These vehicles already have a Positive crankcase ventilation system as do most vehicle's otherwise you would have increased pumping losses from the pressure inside the crank from Piston ring blow by and the pressure waves of the Pistons moving. Forced induction and high compression motors suffer from this more due to the higher pressure trying to find the quickest route to a low pressure environment. Turbo engines also suffer from extremely rich conditions when you are in boost and suddenly release the throttle as the computer compensates for the reduction in air but is not instant which is leaked into the oil and into the exhaust system/cat.
@@MrMopar239 All good points but since when do you see fuel registering on the dipstick?? LOL what's the point of CAFE rules, EGR valves/evap systems and catalytic converters if you're going to be throwing unburned fuel right into the crankcase at these rates/in this amount?? If the situation with these 1.5L turbo engines was "normal" Honda would not be spending money and resources with a "fix". Gasoline is a solvent, and while it will leave the inside of the engine nice and shiny it'll also fuck with the lubricity of the oil. Yes, when you change your engine oil, and depending on the engine and driving conditions, you'll have some fuel and moisture in the oil, a very minor amount, almost negligible. Doesn't seem like that's the case here.
Leonel Ventura fuel doesn't stay fuel forever when mixed with oil, once the engine gets to temp it turns into gas which will be routed back to the PCV and back to the combustion chamber. It's very common on turbo vehicle's when cool as they run rich before reaching operating temp. I have had 2 turbo vehicle's and 3 very high compression motorcycles and it's common for fuel to be in the oil because the Pistons can't hold every bit of the higher than normal compression. This is because turbo/high compression motors usually come with forged internals that expand at a much higher rate than cast pistons which leaves much more room in the combustion chamber for blow by until engine reaches operating temp and pistons are expanded into there relative cylinder. This is the reason it is important to warm up an engine before driving turbo/ high compression motors along with oil/coolant being at correct op temp. This is common with forged pistons as they are needed in turbos/high compression motors to avoid catastrophic failure from increased likely hood of engine knock from higher combustion temps.
Leonel Ventura turbos also cause the oil life to less than a naturally aspirated engine due to the immense heat of cooling/lubricating the turbo which has exhaust flow running through it constantly. In turbo cars you should be more proactive about oil changes for the reasons of this video and oil break down from turbo heat.
I was always told that having your oil level too high will cause the main seals to go bad faster.
If I may ask do you believe all the 1.5 petrol engines are affected by this problem? I live in the UK and I am afraid to buy a car with a 1.5 they are available from the year 2018 to 2021. I can also see a 2.0 petrol engine naturally aspirated with no turbo less power and worse fuel consumption I wonder if it would be for the best to go for a 2.0.
I say it’s the direct injection that causes the problem.
@@stevep313 Thanks
@@stevep313 I had a look at the market I have 0 options, to be honest with you at least in the UK. CRV is the biggest SUV RAV4 is small if I compare it with the CRV. I am afraid to buy a car with a CVT gearbox and I don't want a diesel. Honda seems to best choice 2.0 petrol engine with a manual gearbox. Mercedes BMW and Audi are black holes to dump money in and the French cars are shit. I hope the 2.0 petrol engine will not have an oil dilution problem like the 1.5 turbocharged and with other oil changes, this will be okay in time.
Honda is really dropping the ball. At least Toyota will fix problems.
What ball i s that? My Honda is fine
Yeah toyota will fix the prob..... no, no they don’t either unless you go to multiple dealerships and numerous times for the same problem. If you’re out of warranty, heck yeah, they will fix the problem and some!
Toyota won't fix anything unless there is a class action lawsuits. That is how Toyota truck owners got replacement frames because they would rot out from rust extremely early. Also, mid 2000 Camrys and Matrixs has massive oil consumption problems and late 1990s-early 2000s Camrys the oil would sludge and 2k-3k mile oil changes were required. Toyota never fixed or acknowledged these problems.
try Hyundai and Kia....dealers can be really bad about warranty work.
It's not just CRVs, my Accord has the same problem
Is it really bad for you like it is here? I've seen your videos.
Ryan Littleton yes I wish I could post a photo, but the oil was about an inch over the full hole on the dipstick. The oil was so thin I could barely read it. As soon as I tipped it sideways all the oil would slide to the bottom. Sometimes the car has trouble starting. Occasionally it will stall instead of starting. That was last winter. Now that it's getting cold again I will see. It's only got 8500 miles or so and had its first oil change about 1 month ago. They overfilled the oil on the first oil change
@@amcdonal86VT Damn that's not good. I thought the Accord was ok, at least in comparison to the CR-V. You may not be able to post a photo, but you think you do a video about it? Well, I do hope things work out for you though. And keep an eye on it. Obviously lol. I appreciate the response.
@@amcdonal86VT I've been wondering myself whether their might also (at least) be a problem with the thermostat. What do you think?
Ryan Littleton I think the whole issue of the engine temperatures not getting warm enough is a red herring. This problem has been reported in Southern states as well. I myself am located in the mid Atlantic where Temps in the winter generally only get down to the 20s F. Also the accords do not seem to have a problem getting warm like the CRVs
Depends on the year and car of any manufacturer. This 2017 CR-V is still new and has not seen the test of time. Who knows what other problems can lie ahead, and whether or not this car is reliable or not. I drive a 2003 Honda CR-V with 171,000 miles. I have not had any problems since I bought it new, and no there does not exist the infamous transmission failure on my 2003 Honda CR-V that Honda recalled at around 2004. I have heard of problems of engine oil burning in certain Toyota vehicles (depending on year and model). Same can be said about Honda, but both Toyota and Honda are great car manufacturers.
I had a 2017 EX. It had every single issue I had read about. The battery in it failed and died at LESS than 2000 miles! The smell of gas inside the vehicle and a bad CVT to boot. After much frustration I traded it in for another CRV a 2018 touring. There is zero problem with it at all. Idk if I just got lucky or what.
I put an AEM dry flow air filter and run it off nothing less than 93 octane and it LOVES it. The difference is near night and day. No battery issues, no screwed up oil level or gas odor. The CVT in this one feels like a normal automatic!
I tried a K&N filter first and it was okay. Out of curiosity I then got the AEM dry flow for it and DAMN! What a difference!
The oil needs to be evaluated by a laboratory. Secondly, it is normal for a turbo charged engine using high pressure direct injection to blow by air fuel mixture past the Piston rings and onto the cylinder walls. Run this by the guy at Engineering Explained here on RUclips.
Like Blackstone?
Thank you for your advice. I switched to a RAV4.
My 1999 CRV is doing great 👍 297,000 miles! Had a ‘92 Accord over 315,000 miles.... it still ran , but really rusting out on frame
Those old ones hadn’t had this problem .
This is issue on newer hondas specifically “Earth Dreams” technology
I have a 2016 civic doing the same but have 41k miles on it. The primary issue is caused by direct injection and engine oil dilution occurs on these as well. I'll change my oil at 3-4k rather than 5 instead. However, I feel the appropriate fix would be software and hardware to help evaporate the gas.
Turbo is the problem not good for long term reliability I have an 03 accord 2.4 300,000 miles same transmission replaced alternator at200,000 and just batteries after that I do the maintenance myself I will be switching to Toyota because of no turbos and regular transmissions
Thank you for proving my point the Subaru STI’s turbos Their reliability is horrible the regular Subarus are great
@@kmb0172 My uncles Tribeca with the H 6 leaks coolant and oil at 250k and my co workers regular impreza with the H 4 leaks coolant and oil at 170k.
Now that you bring that up that does remind me my brothers 08 Subaru Impreza had to have the engine taken out because of a major coolant leak at 200000 all seals replaced and made it to 300,000
@@layne4376 😆
Has more to do with the direct injection system than the turbo.
The Forester and Rav4 still have naturally aspirated engines and are reliable. Honda shouldn't put that 1.5 Liter turbocharged engine in the CR-V because the turbocharged engine might feel anemic in a larger vehicle. The 2.4 Liter engine was still better than the 1.5 Liter turbocharged engine for its mainstream vehicles.
Honda put a 1.5L turbo into this CRV?? 😂 That's terrible. It is an SUV after all, hope they don't mate that to an AWD or 4WD system.
@@justacinnamonbun8658 They already did since the 2017 model year. Honda shouldn't have done that.
@@TimJoseph08031990 WOW *facepalm* how much does it put out?? To think, 1st Gen Scion xB owners complained about the anemic 1.5L it came with, when they came out with the 2nd Gen they tossed in the 2.4L, but both engines are NA.
@@justacinnamonbun8658 190 hp and 179 lb.-ft. of torque and those figures are almost similar to some 2.4 or 2.5 Liter naturally aspirated engines.
@@TimJoseph08031990 Wait I'm on Honda's website. This is funny. You can get a 2019 CR-V LX trim, with a 2.4L NA engine that puts out 184hp@6400 and with the higher (more fancy and more expensive trims) you actually kind of get less... 190hp@5600, only a 6hp gain?? I know it kicks in sooner but come on, you can slap on a CAI onto the 2.4L and get a few more hp. You get 180lb-ft.@3900 with the NA 2.4L but you get 179lb-ft.@"2000-5000" (that's weird they use a range of RPMs, must have to do with the CVT??) So you lose 1lb-ft. of torque with the turbo. And get this.... 18.5psi of boost!! On a 1.5L engine. Holy smokes. No wonder the fucking things are springing leaks. The LX with the NA 2.4 is definitely the way to go, much better car and cheaper to boot.
Just change your oil once a month and problem temporarily solved. They gave those cars a 6 year unlimited mileage warranty so I’ll at least hold onto mine that long... I decided to retire my 99 crv stick shift which is probably the most reliable car ever made, only to find myself driving the 400,000 mile crv more that the new one for fear of damaging the new cars expensive turbo. Currently Honda is replacing my engine. I think they put different piston rings in the new engine to really fix the oil dilution issue. I have been fighting Honda for two years to get this fixed and they finally gave in after calling them every day and threatening a class action suit. Good luck I hope you get this dealt with properly.
Take it for a very long drive to heat the oil up fully and then see if the level goes back down.
The thing is that gasoline should be lighter than the engine oil. Which means that it would be at the top of that dipstick it should be gasoline not oil, I would think the color would be different. You would need almost a whole quart of gasoline to raise a dipstick mark that high. I have a greater suspicion that someone overfilled your oil the last time it was done at the dealer. I see this a lot when I've had my oil changed at a quick lube and at dealers. They don't properly measure the oil and they tend to over fill it. It's one of the primary reasons I do my own oil changes now.
The only way to be sure would be to do an oil change yourself put the proper amount of oil in and see if you get the same result. In other words change the oil measure it on the dipstick. If you do that and after driving the car for a while you see the level raised higher than it's definitely being polluted and diluted with gasoline.
I'm not disputing that there's a gasoline dilution problem with this engine. I suspect it all ties into the engine not ever coming up to proper temperature do to a sticking thermostat or failure of an electronic control valve. But that would be a huge amount of gasoline in your oil to raise the level that high on the dipstick.
one other way to verify would be to go drive the car and drive the hell out of it keep the engine RPM high keep the engine load High get the engine good and hot if you can. Then come back to the house park it and let it sit for 10 minutes and then measure the oil level again if it then shows low or normal then you also know for sure that the oil level is being raised by gasoline contamination and it evaporated during your driving. Good luck
same to me..last time i send my car to a service centre..and they put the whole 4 litres...and at the dipstick is above high marking..the recommendation is 3.6 litres only..after coming home i drain a little until it reach proper marking..😪 ..they should be more aware how much oil a certain car needed..not to overfill..
kens97sto171 There’s a recall in progress for North America. One of the steps is to update the ECU firmware to accelerate engine warm-up.
Looks like I’m going to have the oil tested for fuel dilution. Changing oil at six thousand miles now. Not happy.
The day after this video, I had the oil changed, and it reeked of gasoline as it was draining. I watched the tech fill it, and we triple checked the oil level that it was correct. I shall see how this holds up
@@jakewalraven7923 Actually, 5-6k miles is proper for cars. The 7,500-10,000 mile interval recommended these days isn't really reflective of what synthetic oil and filters are capable of, regardless of any dilution.
Just pay for the OIL CHANGE!!! If your paying for it they CANNOT SAY “NO” right? Or take it to another dealership.
You should send an oil sample off to an independent oil analysis company. Black stone is very reputable. They will send you back a very detailed list of your entire oil breakdown and even tell you how much life expectancy is left in your oil. Plus, you have an independent party in case you go to court.
Is this not an issue with the Civic 1.5T engine?
Flip the dipstick over see what it reads on the other side 😁 never seen in that a car before so weird I'll by it from you and drive it forever love those things
Honda's quality has been shaky since 2000.
Really, I had a 2002 accord and I put 350k miles on it .
Compared to what ....
Mom's 2001 Civic DX went over 10 years 200k on it and only ever had the water pump and shocks changed.
I have seen that on diesel engines, the newst with high idle time and the wrong oil. Idle time was not possible to correct because of the operation nature of the equipment but changing the oil to the newest spec solved the issue.
Help me understand. Was the oil overfilled? Based on the mileage, it’s had at least one oil change if not 2 or 3.
How do you know that it’s fuel? With that much fuel, the oil should burn quite well when put on a table with a match held to it. Does it smell like fuel?
Is this a Honda quality issue? Or an industry wide issue with DI engines?
It is true that oil dilution may be normal, especially with short trip driving. It is also true that it should evaporate when the engine is at full operating temp. If after a good 50-100 mile trip that oil level has not dropped, I don’t think it’s fuel.
Just my 2 cents
Now only Toyota
Mazda
Toyota’s has many issues as well
Yeah Toyota's with cvt's have issues as well... bruh don't bace buying a car in almost 2019 off a almost 30 year old saying of "Toyota and Honda are the only reliable things around" alot can and has happened in that time like company executives flipping in and out and a few years later we end up with this... Mazda is also really really good and underrated rn.
My 2014 Mazda 6 has been great, it was 100% built in Japan
The Wiggles now that’s a garbage car And so is Mitsubishi garbage
This is because of the engine design “Turbo” with CVT
Explain how Turbo and CVT have anything to do with gas leaking into the oil?
Other motors have turbos with CVT trans and dont have this issue.
You're wrong!
No
CVT has nothing to do with this lol
CVT keeps the rpm low and the engine takes longer to warm up, maybe.
steve p which country are you life? what im know the cold country have this problem while asian country not have much problem on dilution unless that car only short travel.
This is a worldwide issue on theri 1.5 L engines. Very famous case, i feel sorry for you and hate to say this but did you do some research before buying?
Never go by the oil percentage on the dash. Change your oil every 3 to 5 thousand miles.
Honda is a crappy product now. I own an 08 accord and it’s had more recals than I can count. Also poor materials and problems with engine compartment. Honda’s costumer service sucks. Never buy a Honda agiain.
The first two gens were quite trouble-free save for the ‘97-‘99 with dismal power and the compressors blowing up like in my ‘04, however aside from that the engines are bulletproof. After ‘06 they started ruining it with more electronics and egg-shaped mishaps and now they give us a Honda engine that was built with planned obsolescence in mind. My headlight went out after fifteen years around a month ago, and afterwards I noticed how cars with LED headlights that were supposed to last decades couldn’t even scratch the half decade mark! People trash Kilmer all the time but he does make some decent points and he’s mostly correct about modern automotive design.
There is a recall to address this issue. Fix has been available since October in 5 states and 16 other states since December. Software update and possibly a small part replacement depending on VIN...takes 2 hours. Check your VIN# on Honda's recall website. Done
No gasoline should not be in the oil ...it is just that simple
Math /Think not that simple. Some level of gasoline in the mixture cannot be prevented in direct injection engines.
@@pb8185 yeah but it shouldn't be that bad, there shouldn't be that much fuel getting past the piston rings
You can roll over and get walked on by Honda or you can man up and take action. Consider contacting a lawyer in your state or Google for a firm interested in class action suits. They will hire the expert witnesses. Once that ball gets rolling, Honda will settle quickly. You should also contact your state's Attorney General's Office and request an investigation but have your info. in hand to demonstrate that your problem isn't unique. Keep all records to preserve your warranty rights. When the AG contacts your dealer to gather facts, you will get satisfaction. Google for TSBs, Honda Owners' Clubs on line, etc. Telling other people not to buy Hondas (which could be cause of action against you) doesn't get your problem solved.
wholeNwon He is saving others from making a star same mistake. I was contemplating buying a Honda until I saw Consumer Report’s video about this issue. That god there are people who will step forward.
@@georgeburns7251 Right but if he rolls over, Honda wins and has even less not to release defective products.
Yikes that is nuts how high the level is. I would maybe try another dealership. Luckily I have not seen this issue with my 2.0t Accord.
My wife's 2nd gen CRV is reliable but I've been hearing lots of weird stuff with the new ones. We will be looking at a toyota rav4 or highlander for a replacement.
New memo from Honda to solve this problem, pull out the dipstick and light a match at the end, continue to do this until the oil level is normal. Happy happy driving from Honda !
You morons who tell people to buy a Toyota or any other car are not contributing a thing to this problem with the CRVs. Please keep your opinions about what you think is better. Sounds like the old "told you so". Although my 2018 CRV has not had this issue yet, I find it despicable on Honda's part to lie to its customers and insult their intelligence. I will never buy another Honda. Thanks to the author for giving us a good explanation and example of how this problem manifests itself.
Shut up asshole , neither of you are mechanics
All cars have their issues. Even Toyota has had cars with issues. It's usually a good idea to wait a couple years after a new model or redesign is released.
Every auto manufacturer does the same thing. Not just Honda. I've had to file Lemon Law claims with Nissan and Mazda. They all act the same way, they're not here to help, they're here to sell you a car. They're in business to sell as many cars as possible. Don't forget, the seatbelt, air bag, and backup cameras all became standard on cars thanks to LEGISLATION, not because the car manufacturers cared about their customers or wanted to be nice. They're against anything that will raise the price of a car. Next time buy a good used car from a single owner with all service records because new cars are a crap shoot nowadays. And all that depreciation you have to suck in.... Pay $30,000 today, tomorrow it's worth $24,000.
Damn!!! Someone woke up salty. Relax.
@@tmz90 I'd say he woke up... Oily. 😄
I own the same type CR-v, I have the same issue. Honda tried to fixed by updating the computer software & AC Control unit + oil change with in A month the fuel mixed inside the oil just like before. I call Honda Corp office & They told me it is normal operations. I think it is BS. We all should go on strike against Honda for fixing for good or ask them to buy back their junks. I hope Honda do something to fixed before any CRV install the the freeway for big2 accidents due to too much fuel mixed with oil in the engine.
What grade fuel are you putting in it?
Just stick with the proven Toyota 4Runner
You forget about Toyota's 2.4 engine recall. They also said it's normal for engine to burn oil.
I agree, I have an 06 Sport and love it.
Sure, if you want to look like a fraternity brother
@@lexmode 2.4 on a 4runner? LOL
@@ElCachorro97 not talking about 4runner. Just applying to Toyota's garbage 2.4 liter engine over all.
At the end of the day : Buy a TOYOTA :))
2018 Toyota Camry's have a delay/shift shock problem. They issued a fix for the 4 cylinder Camry's. But if you have the V6 then the problem, according to Toyota is a "Normal Characteristic. They won't fix it, won't buy it back, won't admit it's a problem in the V6.
Mr44rr You are full of crap!
@@melrose9252 Technical service bulletin 0330-17. Look it up.
The last gen Camry has oil consumption issues fix replace rings . Every manufacturer has issues
banderastube delusional ToyoTaxI fanboy,
This is even worst
m.carcomplaints.com/news/2018/toyota-recalls-camrys-fuel-leaks-fires.shtml
Fuel leak and possible fire. A cheap incentive full taxi fleet car with 2010 technology
How many miles is was on that oil? It’s look dirty
Sorry to hear about this, usually Honda were known to make very good engines.
For the dealer to say this is normal is a false claim and to say the diluted oil is not going to damage or wear out the engine sooner than normal is also a falsity.
Its not the oil increase in the crankcase that is going to cause the problem in the long run, its the diluted oil which will cause more friction on the moving engine parts, particularly in the summer.
Honda will not stand behind their products. Avoid them like the plague.
Why
I've owned 7 of them in the past 20 years. On 2 occasions Honda repaired issues with well over 100k miles on the vehicle. No other mfg. I've ever dealt with has provided anywhere near the quality of products or services. Toyota, which other family members have had, would be the closest product.
Have 2018 CR-v with one of those engine. No problems, works fine.
Received a letter from Honda today, asking me to bring the CR-V in for a software update for the fuel injection, the CVT and to the climate control unit so engine will warm up faster.
They also decided to increase warranty to affected engine components to 6 years , no mileage limit.
Q:what are the trip distances you take?
My 2000 civic same thing. Went to 276k and sold it for 600 dollars running. When I had a 97 accord. I drove it to 166k and totaled it. Saw same thing every oil change. I called them and they said it was normal.
did your cars have gas in the oil too?