WHAT'S THE BEST TWO COLOR COMBINATION IN cEDH? - THE PLAY TO WIN PODCAST
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2023
- Dylan and Cam talk about all 10 two color combinations and determine which are best in cEDH
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It’s dimir, thanks for watching, and a very special thank you to our $100 patrons
Was about to say this is a pretty cut and dry question. Its the two best colours. Next topic lol
9:29 Dylan's excitement about the prospect of building Malcolm / Tevesh is so wholesome
I'm really happy to see the evolution of you guys has peaked and you're embracing the chaos. God tier rizz, this is what always separated your channel from some other "script read-y" vibes of other cedh creators.
Something not pointed out about Krarkashima (which is fair, not many people play that deck) is that they actually have an additional tutor that other Izzet decks usually don't, that being Step Through. A 2 mana of any color instant speed tutor that can find your Veyran, Harmonic Prodigy, Spellseeker, or Dualcaster Mage. Really really good card in the deck. You guys were right on the money when you said how creative Krark decks can get!
It’s also a huge deal that it doesn’t exile itself or anything. I find step through to be an insane spell actually. I use Battlefield thurmaturge and baral’s expertise alongside step through and paradoxical outcome and displace and ghostly flicker and lots of fun spells. Being able to step through for 2 mana and remove 3 creatures from the board back to players hands is actually really good. 3 targets dealt with for 1 card.
"Opinions are hard" is an amazing quote
I LOVE that you guys were absolutely discussing Two different podcast topics for a while and still had a full conversation with depth
You guys are really the top of the top when it comes to cedh content, gameplay and discussions
It's so quality!
Minsc & Boo is a Hulk deck, but it's also an infinite mana outlet since you can sac boo targeting minsc to return to the command zone and draw 1 and repeat.
I’d argue that the new Rona could be the best dimir option right now. One card wincon with wishclaw talisman is great, it can crack a doomsday pile, combo out with isochron scepter and it’s a pretty speedy ad nause deck too
Have you played against Yuriko? Turn 3 30 damage to everyone is not far fetched lol that crushes ad naus decks right away. However, I play stax Yuriko.
I love how Cam's dog will pop it's head up whenever Cam gets even a little excited
Excuse you. Knowledge Pool and Omen Machine are S tier locks
Ok Grampa, lets get you back to bed. /s
Fun fact, you can still resolve spells that can't be countered, such as void rend, through the lavinia/knowledge pool lock.
@@tacobell2009 good thing players rn are greedy af and dont play those 😂
@@tacobell2009 The only cards like that I can think of that really see play are abrupt decay and rending volley
You guys are very entertaining to listen to, love the podcast while driving around!
I agree with Dylan about the list needing to be about the commanders rather than just the colors. Because while I agree with Cam that, for example, Azorius is better than Boros in terms of card quality, it doesn't change the fact that the only reason you'd be limited to these colors is due to the commander you are playing. Therefore, if Winota is better than Shorikai, then it is the better deck and color combination here. That's also how you guys set up the discussion in the very beginning, so the whole ranking is thrown off by focusing solely on the colors instead of the actual commanders you'd be playing in them. Either way, great discussion guys!
I’ll be honest, the dog popped its head up in the background at 19:38 and I couldn’t focus on anything else for the next 30 minutes.
I had to rewind 3 times just to see it!!
“Opinions are hard”
Truest words spoken on this podcast
First of your videos I've watched and you guys have an excellent vibe! Some interesting opinions and real easy to watch :D
gonna try to guess here before seeing results for the best in each color:
azorius: shorikai
orzov: lurrus
boros: winota
selesnya: captain sisay
dimir: yuriko
izzet: krakashima
simic: kinnan
rakdos: ob nixilis kingpin
golgari: gitrog
gruul: minsc and boo
Rakdos and Boros ahead of Azorius is craaaaaaazy but I suppose. I would love to see a Pod with Shorikai and the 3 ranked above it cause ain't no way lol
I know he's def not meta, and debatably good, but where's the love for Brago in Azorius! He's put up some top 16's at cEDH tournaments over the last year, and is one of those OG stax commanders. Additionally, he's gotten a major power boost from Displacer Kitten. All in all though, love what yall do! Keep it up!
Great video! Would love to see a video about different strategies for countering various commander specific win-cons like the krark/sakashima idea at 24:24!
"Why are all our titles like a Fall Out Boy song? They're so long, like always a full sentence." - Title of Play To Win's next hit single.
Have you guys thought about talking shop with mono colored? I just saw the gameplay video, but something like this would be really helpful for mono colored as well!
Or even best cEDH commanders for getting into the format! Super interested, but the format can be really daunting
19:22 - Orzhov is weird because it's the worst color combo right now, but it's hard to know if that's just color quality or commander quality. Like you guys said, Tymna and Lurrus are the best commanders and both can be played with more colors (Tyma partner and Lurrus 5 color companion).
Isn't Teysa Karlov or Karlov of the Ghost Council top contenders too?
I dont know, because i never played a real EDH Game - just 1 vs. 1 against my brother. My Deck is a Teysa, Orzhov Scion Ad Naus Deck. Unanswered it wins normaly Turn 3-5, because i need more then 2 cards to win the game. Compared to other Ad Naus Decks, i have a really low CMC count (1.13 - without Ad Naus itself). I have to play risky and i also play forbbiden tutors to get a specific card. But it is possible to win, even when 90 % of the deck is exiled.
I love seeing Sythis mentioned in this video. Have you considered making a best enchantress deck in cEDH video?
Ahhh yes, time to get my bi-weekly dose.
I simply cannot absorb enough PTW content
time to start updating these kinds of videos with the slew of new commanders that have come out since then.
You could make a case with a Meria, Scholar of Antiquity you’d have to go with a shutdown strategy to have the players play at your pace and explode on your turn.
Loved this speedround!
you all are criminally underrating green here. but my biases aside I think this is a good list. Thinking about building out (proxying a lot tbf) of the Kinnan "Big (F)Lips" Deck, and.
The new Heliod is pretty good in Azorius - expensive .. but it goes nuts
Gruul also has Faldorn, which is a weird option that I think catches a lot of people off guard. In casual, 2/2 wolfs don't seem to do much, but in cEDH having 2/2's is a much bigger deal in terms of board presence. Nowhere near top tier, but I've seen it win some games.
Best frog commander would be awesome!!
Love the podcast. Was thinking that ranking colorless utility lands would be a decent topic to discuss.
I've been a huge sythis stax enthusiast for a while, i usually play versus 4c commanders and I can fight very well with the whole pod, i have very limited on the stack interaction but if the correct stax pieces enter the battlefield, you can close the game pretty quick with ethereal armor, rancor or a couple of combos
I watched the side podcast before I watched this! Love the discussions
Denry editor in chief is underrated. Glen Elandra is a one card combo with your commander out. You get access to infinite 1 mana counterspells for non creature spells. It’s also a flying chump blocker every turn. It’s can also be sacrificed to any free altar or outlet as many times as you want. Because it’s whenever a non token creature enters you get a counter you also always get a trigger to respond to. Denry is horrifically misunderstood. One of the best stax commanders in its colors.
Best cedh vids around
Vohar IS the best option for "I want to go fast" dimir.
He's 2 mana, which enables both cheap rituals like Culling and stuff like Springleaf Drum.
It's also got the ability to 1 card win condition with Consultation.
Consultation for thoracle, flashback consult with vohar, play thoracle.
Guys you clearly forgot my Wort, the Raidmother Gruul Deck :D
You have lines with eldritch Evolution, where you copy it with your commander (get kiki and conscripts)
"i dont even think those words do trick"
u two are most memeable guys for podcast i've ever seen, sometimes i dont even believe jt :d
As a Toxrill player, I feel validated
My fav Dimir Turbo deck is Oskar, Rubbish Reclaimer. It plays Necrologia over Ad Naus. Plus, has access to another Consult, Divining Witch. Probably the best Notion Thief deck option. My store doesn't like Thoracle, so I've tinkered with a few "tuned down" versions. Doomsday/Lab Man, artifact storm, and reanimator (with extra wheels) are all viable in High Power.
Great stuff
I totally just cut chains of Mephostopholes and plunge into darkness from my gitrog to add witherbloom and chain of smaug because honestly Gitrog needs a backup win con. I got blasted with a praetors grasp early in a game and they took my dakmoore salvage and just crippled me.
Love how Cameron basically goes 'New deck? SPILL THE TEA' when hearing malcom/tevesh
Rhona is a good dimir commander that is still very new.
As a player I'm glad to have found you guys. As someone who tries to not put too many things on their credit card though... XD
A Gruul commander that I've been having a lot of good games with is Meria, Scholar of antiquities stax, Breaking parody and mana advantage in the command zone
I've tried Meria and I feel like she's going to break out eventually, probably after a couple of sets give her just a few more tools to push her over the edge. I think she does want a couple more pieces but they're the kind of things that are pretty much inevitably going to get printed. Kind of like Queen Kayla in that regard.
@@ThaddeusMikejust needs paradox engine unbanning XD
"oh the tutors are, BALLSSS"
- Cam 2023
i shall quote this for the rest of my life, thank you
It’s not very popular but for a long time I ran Vhal candlekeep researcher/cultist of the absolute, because it’s a “one card” combo with staff of domination but it is mana intensive to pull off in one turn
I'll be bullied for this one but I'll take this video as an opportunity to say that I'm working on Myra the Magnificent cedh list and that maybe you should too at Play to Win ;)
Honestly it's not great but my issue with it is that without even pushing it to the max, it's ridiculous un high power EDH so I've decided to see what it can do in cedh.
It took me to 29:15 to noticed that there's a dog sleeping in the bed behind Cameron. Lmao.
Imp Rec finds Kiki Jiki and Pestermite/Deceiver Exarch, so at least it is able to find an entire combo line if you can abuse the etb. But that's still a stretch, I think KrarkaShima and Niv both generally perform better without worrying about creature tutors (aside from Dockside lines of course, that is pretty important)
For frog commander you should do Tatsunari, Toad Rider! Not directly a frog but rides a frog and makes a frog. Plus it gives you sultai colors which is nice.
Yay Minsc & Boo for Gruul!! This is my like pet deck that I've been playing at all the big tournaments lately. It's a hulk deck + a LOOOT more. Def the #1 for Gruul imo 🐹
In Rakdos you also have Anje Falkenrath to turbo draw through your deck and get to a Worldgorger win
I’ve been playing the new heliod, and he is an insane cEDH candidate for blue/white
Woah woah. I gotta mention both Shalai, and Saffi Eriksdotter when it comes to selesnya. I think they’re both better than what you guys have
Shalai can truly lock out opponents from playing in a way that other stax decks can’t, and being an infinite mana outlet makes it incredibly good with greens creatures combos, seedborn muse, etc. Lock out opponents with stax creatures, pump them through a combo or just over time for the win
Saffi is a pretty quick and resilient combo deck that just put up a top 16 within the week? Maybe 2 weeks ago
For the tutoring thing for Red, reckless handling did just come out for March of Machines aftermath which is essentially just a worse Gamble cause you have reveal the card so now people know and you still have to do the random discard thing. Not saying it's great and that Red is now insane with tutors, just saying red has another option to keep note of and this might show that colors are about to get more tutors for specific types of cards. Again, dont think it's super impactful and super important, just something to keep a mental note of in the back.
Great video! I’m curious to hear your opinion on both the new Rona and G/W Katilda. I think both slide under the radar but are solid commanders. Rona giving you a one card win con with Wishclaw Talisman plus IsoRev stuff. And Katilda being a great stax deck, with an infinite mana outlet plus mana advantage in the CZ.
What is Rona tutoring with wishclaw that isn't better than demonic tutor? I ask cuz I've seen some other people bring this up.
Untapped Rona, Herald of Invasion in play, cast wishclaw talisman (1B), can delay til next turn or continue
Tap wishclaw getting retraction helix (1 mana)
Cast retraction helix targetting Rona (U mana)
Tap Rona to bounce wishclaw talisman
Recast wishclaw talisman (1B)
Tap wishclaw getting mox amber or mox opal (if 3 artifacts) (1 mana)
Cast mox untapping rona
Tap mox for mana and Rona to bounce presenting loop for infinite mana
After infinite mana is made bounce wishclaw and recast it (flipping Rona first so mox amber can tap for B) getting urza lord high artificer/brain freeze
Continuing infinite with Urza in play allows you to infinite cast your entire library and just thassa's oracle or brain freeze everyone's library out.
Aesi is a beast en cedh.
So for gitrog I added in chain of smog combo. There were so many times those 2 pieces helped me win because something got exiled, or I didn't have another outlet to discard
Dimir is pretty awesome. I personally enjoy playing umbris
Krark/Sakashima is my eventual villain arc deck, I play a casual Okaun/Zndrsplt coin flip deck and have a krark because it fits. When I’m tired of my friend using Winota to destroy me, I will build Krarkashima
Before i even run the video, the best 2 color pair is dimir, and probably the worst for cedh is ozhov or selesnya. Now we’ll see if Im right or if they even rank them like this
Tell me why
@@Y0kAiS thoracle lines are just the most compact win cons in cedh, so thats why dimir is one. And for ozhov snd selesnya you’re never really doing anything combo rific in those colors, its a lot of stacks and what not. Not too say you can’t combo but its more roundabout lines in my professional amateur opinion
Malcolm tevesh is so sweet, i play it as turbo displacer kitten, because tevesh triggers kitten and 0/1s can protect coveted jewel 😂
Dargo + X is bound to amazing.
Kraum is combo and card advantaged
Malcom is glinthorn/storm
Kodama could be creature/landfall storm.
Arden maybe the worst because it pushes u into a stax voltron but i dont play white soo there is that...
Armix gives u a turbo build. Dargo storm. And armix is board control like a mini jeska
Have a good weekend fellas! ❤❤❤
I agree that izzet lacks the tutors which is why grixis so crazy, plus ad naus of course
For Rakdos, the new Ob Nix seems really good. Buddy in our pod built it and it has a lot of cool interactions and lots of card advantage
So I don't disagree with your assessment that Gruul is low on the totem pole here. Only shift I'd make is probably putting it higher than Orzhov. But having played Ruric Thar for years, I will say the stax pool is deeper than you'd think.
Obviously you have Ouphe/Magus at the top, but also their second copies in Null Rod/Blood Moon. Possibility Storm is great with Ruric Thar in particular, since it's essentially a hard lock for noncreature spells. Manglehorn deserves a mention here as it's both a stax piece and artifact removal. Beyond that things get slim and you've gotta lean on colorless options like Trinisphere, Damping Sphere, Thorn, etc.
One card that's consistently impressed me though is Harsh Mentor. It stops Kinnan, Thrassios, Monolith and Scepter Combos, and can chip away at life totals from things like fetches. I think that card is severely underrated.
Darn Dylan looking good. My man looking like a young Trevor from GTA:V.
(I promise this is a compliment)
Also!! Now that you have ranked the 2 color combos now pick the best commander from each color and rank them based off that commander(s) against each other.
For orzhov I’ve played against a Tymna Armix reanimator stax deck that was actually super hot
I can’t believe you brought up Malcolm Jeska but not Malcolm Kediss
Breaking my heart :(
I think krarkashima is a great deck in izzet mainly because instead of needing to find specific combo pieces, a lot of times just random cards in your deck go arbitrarily large. One time i generated near infinite treasures by continuously abrading a one ring.
I would love to see the best orzhove commanders
Hapatra is an awesome golgari commander. You basically are playing modern golgari Yawgmoth with hulk and witherbloom as backups.
Im sorry but I HAVE to mention Ardenn Rograkh when it comes to boros. Incredibly fast and consistent, layers it’s backup (stax beats) with its primary wincon (poly godo) incredibly well. I made my gfs brother a HYPER budget version, and it consistently threatens turn 3 wins with some layer of protection
Captain Sisay, it is yasharn plus everything other green white legend, like cradle.
Im new to magic, i pulled a dina and i love it, i tried to make it as busted as possible. Anyone got tips for some cards that are must have or anything close?
I definitely want to see the best frog commander.
Imperial Recruiter is really strong in Niv Miz because it can grab Tandem Lookout or Dockside
Guys, do a rank of the best non-blue counterspells ... it'd be very funy haha
Tameshi, reality architect is who Dylan was thinking of in Azorius with LED. Card is fine but man is it a really specific build. You're like piling niche upon niche to make it work.
I think you guys were referencing Mooring Mirror for azorious
I think the new Rona is a really good turbo dimir commander.
Love the video! I think my only remark is that I've been seeing Koll pop up here and there and every time I come across it I feel like it's doing some pretty powerful stuff for Boros. While not Winota, by any means, I think less of a gap than the rest of Boros. Just 1 deck that's a bit closer to Winota for the color combo.
Was hard to separate what a color does from what the top deck in those colors does though, props to that! Always fun to listen to your thoughts while I'm workin'.
ALSO, GITROG!!! I just have to add my nitpick, and that is that in my opinion exiling the one or 2 (normally 1 because we run as nauseum and are greedy) Eldrazi titans is way worse. As this makes looking for riftsweeper extremely harder. I also would argue it's better than rakdos because how many decks can run CHAINS OF MEPH🤪
Are people off of gale and the black background (scion of halister I think?) from CLB? It seemed super promising at the time
Throughout the podcast, I noticed you two were ranking the color combinations. Unfortunately, I couldn't determine the ranks. In your personal opinion, where would you officially rank the color combinations.
Lurrus is the strongest orzhov deck.
It's also the best jeweled lotus deck.
I demand to see more orzhov.
Please
Can we get a deck tech or brewing podcast of Malcolm/tevesh?
Fucking love you guys
Imperial Recruiter can find you Thassa's Oracle, but... it can also........................................................................................................
Find you Spellseaker, which can find you Muddle the Mixtures, which can find you Underworld Breach! XD
Also, Tolaria West can find you LED! XD..... Although... I have not seen this in any real decklist! XD
Trinket Mage is apparently a better alternative! XD
Quick question, why do I never see treasure nabber in cedh decks. Is 3 mana too much for the anti-artifact stax effect?
I think the only simic ones that can keep up with kinnan are Pir and toothy which hits a different axis, aswell as kodama saka.
Since pir and toothy left the database pre-displacer kitten, try him with the cat, fuckers done broke it.
Green white sisay my dude😊
I think they did a recent scrub of the database. Lots of great lists on the Brewers Corner are gone. 😢
I've had a pet gruul deck recently in blanka turbo
I want the best frog episode so bad