You know, I've always loved my dynamic duo of Dylan and Cam, but this is one of those videos that makes it feel more like the Three Amigos. Tyler's more serious and dryer tone suits the duo's erraticness perfectly, love you Tyler!😂
This is one of the best podcasts yet. And ... shouting "NO, PERMANENT MARKER" is my new go to, when telling people they can't change things. (And Cam has that awesome t-shirt on again - which I can't get a copy.of!)
Honestly, having seen it piloted by multiple cedh streamers, it really does need someone who knows the lines to do it justice. Not that these guys couldn't do it, I just think it would take some homework to be worth it. The deck's most prominent pilots call it the most complex deck in any format, and honestly they're not wrong tbh.
A good Tayam player will make you feel like Luke, Han, Leia and Chewy in the trash compactor. The walls start closing in until you're crushed under an infinite Ranger Captain silence effect. Always exile the Ranger Captain.
I think it's funny that silas in rog / silas is so unimportant to the actual function of the deck that cam doesn't even know what the actual ability is and nobody corrects him. For those wondering he says that when silas deals combat damage to a player you can put an artifact from your graveyard into your hand. It is actually when silas deals combat damage to a player, you may cast target artifact from your graveyard this turn
You know how many wizards there are? Spellseeker is the most backup plan of all backup plans in the good inalla decks, saying it's a otp is absolutely why I think its one of the top 5..no one actually knows what it does which makes all 9 of your combo lines not only play good cards but consistently threaten early turn wins/mid game wins/late game wins
I love how play style creates such different experiences for people. Dylan and Cal from The Mind Sculptors couldn’t be any different. And the best part is that neither of them are wrong. Cal thinks RogSi is terrible because he plays decks that prey on turbo. Whereas Dylan seems way more focused on getting his commander out and going. So he doesn’t see the value in Atraxa.
I swear this podcast is slowly becoming an abbot and costello skit. Ee-ther, Eye-ther, NeeTher, N-eye-ther. I'm DEAD 🤣 I laughed so hard at that part of the conversation
5 min in and already loving the video and the whole vibe... Nice choice for Halloween! Will there be a CEDH game with the scariest decks? Hope so! Great job and keep up guys. Love your work
I love your channel! Watching you has made me such a better player. I started Magic about 4 months ago and quickly moved into the CEDH scene just cause you made it make sense and made it feel so much more fun than "I play 1 creature per turn and hit you for 4 damage" yawnfest.
Either Eye-ther, Neither Neye-ther - Let's Call the Whole Thing Off... Your stream of unconsciousness delivery and passionate embrace of foibles is entirely what makes these discussions so engaging. The insights drawn from your experiences make me think about cards, situations, and interactions more deeply. Truly great work for a bunch of goofballs. Don't stop being you.
You guys are by far my favorite mtg podcast. I pretty much only got into cedh since I started watching you guys. So silly and wholesome, you guys are like the Wayne and Garth of magic
Speaking of Inalla, I feel like they can do eminence again where being in the command zone gives a super minor effect, but being on the battlefield upgrades it. Like, eminence: do x, scry 1. If on the battlefield, draw 1 instead.
As an Atraxa player, food chain combos shouldn't be in there. Easier to cut that and use teferi, kitten, opal combo... thoracle/consultation then running stax like Grand Arbiter Augustin and interaction. I am very biased towards my Atraxa though 😅
Im curious to see the 10-20 list. I play Tasigur and I wonder where you would have put him. You guys have fun doing the podcast and it shows. Keep up the fun vibes !
My Kinnan deck, thanks to borrowing some playlines from Tyler, is scary. This other player at my store who was playing Kinnan before me, not the least bit scary 😂
Really nice mix of decks in here to be able to talk about why different styles of players might find different decks scary. I'll admit that when you mentioned scary decks some of the first that came to mind for me were things like Slicer and Godo - decks that can very quickly present a big problem, putting a lot of pressure on opening hands, even if in principle I might have a good matchup. Arguably this is also a commentary on my running too many 'noncreature spell' counters, that get tripped up by powerful turn 1 Commanders. Time to edit...
I cant wait to hear where you guys rank sythis. 5 is gonna be my guess. Im a dying little child and sythis is my favorite and before i go i am excited to see my favorite cedh channel say nice things about my favorite commander Edit: 😢
I love the Mimeoplasm - was my first deck about 10 years ago. Always has a soft spot in my heart. I'm always tempted to break apart one of my Cedh decks and have a fully kitted out Mimeoplasm deck with Mox Diamond, Lion's Eye Diamond and duals that wins off Phyrexian Devourer and Necrotic OOze
Cam saying "If you do, draw three cards" while explaining Tymna's ability is a hilarious implication of Tymna Kraum player always connecting all of the opponents in combat :D
Coming from a game like Yu-Gi-Oh and even Pokemon sometimes but being primarily a magic player now, one of the spaces that isn't as explored as I think you guys would be amazing at exploring/explaining is "rogue" decks. The "is (x) still good?" Series exists, and people talk about budget lists but that's not quite it, this video touched on it more tbh. I mean the decks like kri'kk or grixis wizard chick that are still fully upgraded, but maybe aren't the absolute top tier. Not casual, but also not page one of edhrec. I feel the amount of either strong solo commanders just under a kentith level or mono decks explode in representation and the already big format of cedh becomes bigger. Most of these decks can keep up with the higher power enough for the pilot to have fun and they're good enough still on average for the opponent to not feel like he's pubstomping that's all too common in casual. I love CEDH and firmly think the cedh is edh and don't like format split talk, and these decks are the perfect bandaid to that in my mind. In Yu-Gi-Oh we called them "fairer" decks for obvious reasons, but in magic there's allot more room for pilot skill to carry and it's made this kind of deck regardless of color or even play style my favorite. Could I be playing ob nix kingpin (prolly still will tbh)? Yeah, but I built kri'kk first and it's not putting up tournament results like blue farm or flash hulk but my enjoyment in playing that slightly "worse" commander feels significantly more rewarding imo. This is not a CEDH bash at all and play to win myself, I just think that part of the format could be explored allot more. Y'all drop a tier 1.5 decks tier list or even some videos where y'all play a bunch of em and get games in like the "is (x) still good?" I'd be all over it and I think all of of others would be too. This one was a banger tho fs
Absolutely agree. I have a Kess deck that was a top tier cedh deck a few years ago and I still keep it tuned but it isn't on the level of Rog/Si. I still get wins and it feels like the wins I'm getting are more rewarding because it's not just a tier 1 deck list. Tier 1.5 is such a good way of saying that
Great video guys!! I think Cam's list was the most accurate one, which makes sense since he knew the whole list from the beginning. However I think there are two decks that are better than Tayam, Krrik and Inalla that you guys haven't mentioned: Malcolm/Tymna and Thrasios/Dargo. Those decks are getting great results and I think deserve being in the top10 discussion.
Half the fun of any given play to win episode is everyone figuring out what the fuck the episode's gimmick is at any given time. The exchange about spookiness versus scariness and the layers of ensuing confusion despite it got me laughing.
I feel like how much a deck shows up at top tables may not automatically lead to spookiness. If a deck is spooky it might get outsized hate and thus have lower chance of winning
1 blue farm 2 Tivit 3 rog/si 4 najeela 5 atraxa 6 kenrith 7 k'rrik 8 kinnan 9 tayam 10bruse thras 11 inalla 12 sisay That was my list as you guys went through. Great episode guys!
Would have been really nice to see ob nixilis captive kingpin on here. I personally think he's pretty powerful, but don't know how powerful it actually is
I swear you've had this K'rrik pronunciation debate before(maybe it was another EDH podcast) but I'll say it again. I imagine K'rrik as the sound a squeaky door makes in a horror movie. So like Krrrrrrriiiiickkk.
My list is exactly the same at Cam's other than : Switch Atraxa and Kenrith & Switch Najeela and Kinnan as far as who brings out the fear. In my humble opinion 😊
It's crazy that as an EDH player but not a CEDH player, I have never heard of Tayam before today. I must have played 1000+ games of EDH and not once have I seen Tayam
My list as it was happening: 1. Kinnan 2. K’rrik 3. Rog/Si 4. Najeela 5. Tymna/Kraum 6. Atraxa 7. Tayam 8. Inalla 9. Sisay, Weatherlight (ounch that one got me) 10. Tivit Not Scary: Kenrith Thrassios/bruce
Actual list: 1. Kinnan (stop pretending, it should be banned. It’s stupidly overpowered and sneezes and just wins, oops here inf mana der der, like I’ve piloted Kinnan and played against it more than probably anyone here lol my pod I play 4-5 times a week always has a Kinnan in it. Literally guy foiled out his Kinnan deck (yes cradle, etc). 2. Rog/Si 3. Tymna/Kraum 4. Najeela 5. K’rrik 6. Sisay 7. Atraxa 8. Tivit 9. Inalla 10. Tayam Not scary: Kenrith
hey Tyler could I find your buddies krrik list on moxfield? I play your kinnan list and love it, but would like to get ideas from his krrik list. thanks
I missed the tournament because I had old college buddies in town and we hadn't hung out in years. Are you guys going to be back in the area any time soon?
Slicer should get an honorable mention. He was a bogeyman for a while, and now every time I sit down with him, I get some good reactions from the rest of table.
As someone who has been trying to make Sythis work since it came out, and recently being beaten down by bowmasters, I felt that 'haha yeah Sythis' in my soul...not that it's not true
All the info from this video: how to say either Dylan just happens to put Najeela and Blue Farm as the scariest Just general ideas on how to be a good cEDH player How to play Kinnan
Y'all need to get better metrics for comparing lists. It might take a bit more elbow grease to compute, but the root-mean-square will give you an answer that lines up with intuition.
Inalla doesn't deserve this hate...my pod is always terrified of my Inalla deck. Even if I'm in top deck mode they know all I ever need is one card to just go off after being stopped 3-5 times
I love this channel. My partner has ADHD and veering off into a discussion about the pronunciation of 'either' in the middle of a conversation is something she would do.
Every game I play verse Kinnan, they are fetching infinite shit turn 3 and play anything they want, while having counters to stop anything I try. I HATE Kinnan decks.
I feel like, everyone just copies Peter's K'rrik list now right? since he did that turn 1 win on he playing with power channel. he has done turn 2 and 3 also, it is a very good list. Right.. Brian Covalt is BoshNRoll. he's cool, his blue farm deck is sick.
Get you a friend that hypes your ideas like Dylan hypes Cam’s - such good vibes! ✌🏻
You know, I've always loved my dynamic duo of Dylan and Cam, but this is one of those videos that makes it feel more like the Three Amigos. Tyler's more serious and dryer tone suits the duo's erraticness perfectly, love you Tyler!😂
This is one of the best podcasts yet.
And ... shouting "NO, PERMANENT MARKER" is my new go to, when telling people they can't change things.
(And Cam has that awesome t-shirt on again - which I can't get a copy.of!)
Correction:
Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades AND edging
Feels like every episode you guys mention that you don't understand Tayam, would be cool to see you guys try and pilot it in a gameplay!
Honestly, having seen it piloted by multiple cedh streamers, it really does need someone who knows the lines to do it justice. Not that these guys couldn't do it, I just think it would take some homework to be worth it. The deck's most prominent pilots call it the most complex deck in any format, and honestly they're not wrong tbh.
@@toctheyoungeryeah I saw the deck and was like “this is how I’m gonna get into cedh…”
I’m not regretting the decision it’s just like… so much
A good Tayam player will make you feel like Luke, Han, Leia and Chewy in the trash compactor.
The walls start closing in until you're crushed under an infinite Ranger Captain silence effect.
Always exile the Ranger Captain.
I think it's funny that silas in rog / silas is so unimportant to the actual function of the deck that cam doesn't even know what the actual ability is and nobody corrects him. For those wondering he says that when silas deals combat damage to a player you can put an artifact from your graveyard into your hand. It is actually when silas deals combat damage to a player, you may cast target artifact from your graveyard this turn
At first read of the deck, you're left wondering what's the deal with Silas, before realizing that oh, he's just there for the colors, heh
You know how many wizards there are? Spellseeker is the most backup plan of all backup plans in the good inalla decks, saying it's a otp is absolutely why I think its one of the top 5..no one actually knows what it does which makes all 9 of your combo lines not only play good cards but consistently threaten early turn wins/mid game wins/late game wins
I love how play style creates such different experiences for people. Dylan and Cal from The Mind Sculptors couldn’t be any different. And the best part is that neither of them are wrong. Cal thinks RogSi is terrible because he plays decks that prey on turbo. Whereas Dylan seems way more focused on getting his commander out and going. So he doesn’t see the value in Atraxa.
Now I really want you guys to rank the same list in terms of spookiness, would probably a total vibe of a video.
I swear this podcast is slowly becoming an abbot and costello skit. Ee-ther, Eye-ther, NeeTher, N-eye-ther. I'm DEAD 🤣 I laughed so hard at that part of the conversation
I see the podcast when getting ready for work and download it so that I can listen while at work with no service. You guys are amazing
About K'rrik: "you've got to play a lot of bad cards"
Yeah, lot of FREE bad cards 😊
being able to read kenrith off memory is genuinely impressive
Currently Sisay non jeggy can win with effectively 1 activation
5 min in and already loving the video and the whole vibe... Nice choice for Halloween! Will there be a CEDH game with the scariest decks? Hope so! Great job and keep up guys. Love your work
A cEDH game of the spookiest decks!
In the lore (fwiw) krrik is a sleeper agent that is known to the protagonists as Kerrick.
I'm in a laboratory right now. I'll gather the boys and we'll start looking into Tayam.
I love your channel! Watching you has made me such a better player. I started Magic about 4 months ago and quickly moved into the CEDH scene just cause you made it make sense and made it feel so much more fun than "I play 1 creature per turn and hit you for 4 damage" yawnfest.
Either Eye-ther, Neither Neye-ther - Let's Call the Whole Thing Off...
Your stream of unconsciousness delivery and passionate embrace of foibles is entirely what makes these discussions so engaging. The insights drawn from your experiences make me think about cards, situations, and interactions more deeply. Truly great work for a bunch of goofballs.
Don't stop being you.
What is scary depends on what you play, some decks are good against other kinds and the pilot makes a big difference as well
You guys are by far my favorite mtg podcast. I pretty much only got into cedh since I started watching you guys. So silly and wholesome, you guys are like the Wayne and Garth of magic
Speaking of Inalla, I feel like they can do eminence again where being in the command zone gives a super minor effect, but being on the battlefield upgrades it. Like, eminence: do x, scry 1. If on the battlefield, draw 1 instead.
That would be a nice tweak to that mechanic
As an Atraxa player, food chain combos shouldn't be in there. Easier to cut that and use teferi, kitten, opal combo... thoracle/consultation then running stax like Grand Arbiter Augustin and interaction. I am very biased towards my Atraxa though 😅
Every time I resolve an Atraxa Grand Unifier ETB I feel like I’m cheating. I would hate to play against that.
Im curious to see the 10-20 list. I play Tasigur and I wonder where you would have put him.
You guys have fun doing the podcast and it shows. Keep up the fun vibes !
My Kinnan deck, thanks to borrowing some playlines from Tyler, is scary. This other player at my store who was playing Kinnan before me, not the least bit scary 😂
Okay but can we do this video again but the spookiest commanders in the format
I fucking love you guys, please keep making banger content like this 😂
Really nice mix of decks in here to be able to talk about why different styles of players might find different decks scary. I'll admit that when you mentioned scary decks some of the first that came to mind for me were things like Slicer and Godo - decks that can very quickly present a big problem, putting a lot of pressure on opening hands, even if in principle I might have a good matchup. Arguably this is also a commentary on my running too many 'noncreature spell' counters, that get tripped up by powerful turn 1 Commanders. Time to edit...
I cant wait to hear where you guys rank sythis. 5 is gonna be my guess. Im a dying little child and sythis is my favorite and before i go i am excited to see my favorite cedh channel say nice things about my favorite commander
Edit: 😢
I love the Mimeoplasm - was my first deck about 10 years ago. Always has a soft spot in my heart. I'm always tempted to break apart one of my Cedh decks and have a fully kitted out Mimeoplasm deck with Mox Diamond, Lion's Eye Diamond and duals that wins off Phyrexian Devourer and Necrotic OOze
Cam saying "If you do, draw three cards" while explaining Tymna's ability is a hilarious implication of Tymna Kraum player always connecting all of the opponents in combat :D
the main takeaway from this ep is that "K'rrik son of yawgmoth" has now proceeded to become "Rick, Soy boy" for me, thanks to Tyler
Coming from a game like Yu-Gi-Oh and even Pokemon sometimes but being primarily a magic player now, one of the spaces that isn't as explored as I think you guys would be amazing at exploring/explaining is "rogue" decks. The "is (x) still good?" Series exists, and people talk about budget lists but that's not quite it, this video touched on it more tbh. I mean the decks like kri'kk or grixis wizard chick that are still fully upgraded, but maybe aren't the absolute top tier. Not casual, but also not page one of edhrec. I feel the amount of either strong solo commanders just under a kentith level or mono decks explode in representation and the already big format of cedh becomes bigger. Most of these decks can keep up with the higher power enough for the pilot to have fun and they're good enough still on average for the opponent to not feel like he's pubstomping that's all too common in casual. I love CEDH and firmly think the cedh is edh and don't like format split talk, and these decks are the perfect bandaid to that in my mind. In Yu-Gi-Oh we called them "fairer" decks for obvious reasons, but in magic there's allot more room for pilot skill to carry and it's made this kind of deck regardless of color or even play style my favorite. Could I be playing ob nix kingpin (prolly still will tbh)? Yeah, but I built kri'kk first and it's not putting up tournament results like blue farm or flash hulk but my enjoyment in playing that slightly "worse" commander feels significantly more rewarding imo. This is not a CEDH bash at all and play to win myself, I just think that part of the format could be explored allot more. Y'all drop a tier 1.5 decks tier list or even some videos where y'all play a bunch of em and get games in like the "is (x) still good?" I'd be all over it and I think all of of others would be too. This one was a banger tho fs
Absolutely agree. I have a Kess deck that was a top tier cedh deck a few years ago and I still keep it tuned but it isn't on the level of Rog/Si. I still get wins and it feels like the wins I'm getting are more rewarding because it's not just a tier 1 deck list. Tier 1.5 is such a good way of saying that
Great video guys!! I think Cam's list was the most accurate one, which makes sense since he knew the whole list from the beginning. However I think there are two decks that are better than Tayam, Krrik and Inalla that you guys haven't mentioned: Malcolm/Tymna and Thrasios/Dargo. Those decks are getting great results and I think deserve being in the top10 discussion.
Awesome! I love the banter between all three of you.
26:21 I believe the Camterpretation is “I have lost in front of more tayams than actually lose to a tayam”?
Half the fun of any given play to win episode is everyone figuring out what the fuck the episode's gimmick is at any given time. The exchange about spookiness versus scariness and the layers of ensuing confusion despite it got me laughing.
I feel like Tergrid, God of Fright, has a shot at number 1.
I just love how you guys talk about the phonology
I love how Cam said he was gonna read the cards saw the all the text on najeela and went "I'm summarize instead" lol
I literally don't care what you 3 are talking about, I'm going to enjoy it. Once a week is not enough mates.
By far the best channel on youtube! Love you guys
I feel like how much a deck shows up at top tables may not automatically lead to spookiness. If a deck is spooky it might get outsized hate and thus have lower chance of winning
You guys watch ALways Sunny? Love that show been my fav show for over a decade. Danny Devito is a national treasure.
1 blue farm
2 Tivit
3 rog/si
4 najeela
5 atraxa
6 kenrith
7 k'rrik
8 kinnan
9 tayam
10bruse thras
11 inalla
12 sisay
That was my list as you guys went through. Great episode guys!
SPOOKY SCARY SKELETONSSSSS
Hey Cam, you know what deck you’ve played that does work well against rule of law effects? Magda. Guess what you took apart? ;)
Dylan, so proud at the end...🤣🤣🤣 Nice catch!
1:45 I like when Dylan explains what 1-10 is
Phage the untouchable is scary. If they are able to get it out and keep it in play. And can hit an opponent.
Would have been really nice to see ob nixilis captive kingpin on here. I personally think he's pretty powerful, but don't know how powerful it actually is
I swear you've had this K'rrik pronunciation debate before(maybe it was another EDH podcast) but I'll say it again. I imagine K'rrik as the sound a squeaky door makes in a horror movie. So like Krrrrrrriiiiickkk.
That whole either/either/neither convov is peak boiz moment
had me cracking up at the water closet part
Everyone’s list should say #1. Ian’s Deck.
My list is exactly the same at Cam's other than : Switch Atraxa and Kenrith & Switch Najeela and Kinnan as far as who brings out the fear. In my humble opinion 😊
It's crazy that as an EDH player but not a CEDH player, I have never heard of Tayam before today. I must have played 1000+ games of EDH and not once have I seen Tayam
He's suffocating. Loops stax pieces
Your thoughts on the scariness of Esper Tymna/Malcolm? I just built and interested to hear what you think.
My list as it was happening:
1. Kinnan
2. K’rrik
3. Rog/Si
4. Najeela
5. Tymna/Kraum
6. Atraxa
7. Tayam
8. Inalla
9. Sisay, Weatherlight (ounch that one got me)
10. Tivit
Not Scary:
Kenrith
Thrassios/bruce
Actual list:
1. Kinnan (stop pretending, it should be banned. It’s stupidly overpowered and sneezes and just wins, oops here inf mana der der, like I’ve piloted Kinnan and played against it more than probably anyone here lol my pod I play 4-5 times a week always has a Kinnan in it. Literally guy foiled out his Kinnan deck (yes cradle, etc).
2. Rog/Si
3. Tymna/Kraum
4. Najeela
5. K’rrik
6. Sisay
7. Atraxa
8. Tivit
9. Inalla
10. Tayam
Not scary: Kenrith
I was waiting for this episode it did not disappoint
Thrasios bruse was so good it was listed as 8 and 9 :p
No thrasios dargo😢. I think that deckd hella strong and expensive would love to see what yall think of this.
That's right Ty you stand up for us Green players
hey Tyler could I find your buddies krrik list on moxfield? I play your kinnan list and love it, but would like to get ideas from his krrik list. thanks
Any chance of the skull dragon shield sleeves coming back in stock?? We neeeeed them!!
I missed the tournament because I had old college buddies in town and we hadn't hung out in years. Are you guys going to be back in the area any time soon?
Slicer should get an honorable mention. He was a bogeyman for a while, and now every time I sit down with him, I get some good reactions from the rest of table.
You guys really got me fucked up with that either either bit
The silent podcast is the scariest thing I’ve ever heard!
“Keurig, Son of Yawgmoth”
Tivit is definitely the most spookiest commander because it looks like Dylan. Lol serious look at that cars closely...
Ahahah this rating system at the end 😂 so chaotic
Hey Dylan, sorry if this sounds weird, but what is the favorite tattoo you have , your sleeves look amazing!
Got the playmat in the mail today. The playmat is sick 🤒
The rating system on again on point! 😂 ❤❤❤
this is peak content pls, thank u
It’s fun comparing metas, cause my local meta hates Tivit and will focus me down if I ever play w
As someone who has been trying to make Sythis work since it came out, and recently being beaten down by bowmasters, I felt that 'haha yeah Sythis' in my soul...not that it's not true
Yo I just got your signed playmat, now that shit be spooky
All the info from this video:
how to say either
Dylan just happens to put Najeela and Blue Farm as the scariest
Just general ideas on how to be a good cEDH player
How to play Kinnan
Bruhhh sweet Scowl shirt
Y'all need to get better metrics for comparing lists. It might take a bit more elbow grease to compute, but the root-mean-square will give you an answer that lines up with intuition.
The innocence before Nadu
I can relate to Cam so much its insane.
Scary list, big tick. Spoopy list = needed
Inalla doesn't deserve this hate...my pod is always terrified of my Inalla deck. Even if I'm in top deck mode they know all I ever need is one card to just go off after being stopped 3-5 times
Ahh I wanted to see Krark and Sakashima lol
Scowl, sick!
WE AS SCIENCE
Guess i got dive back in and make a deck
I'm halfway through and still hoping Slicer comes up
nothing to say but love so good man
I love this channel. My partner has ADHD and veering off into a discussion about the pronunciation of 'either' in the middle of a conversation is something she would do.
Every game I play verse Kinnan, they are fetching infinite shit turn 3 and play anything they want, while having counters to stop anything I try. I HATE Kinnan decks.
I pronounce either like aether…
Nobody can pronounce K’rrik correctly unless they have joined the glorious machine and have been compleated
I feel like, everyone just copies Peter's K'rrik list now right? since he did that turn 1 win on he playing with power channel. he has done turn 2 and 3 also, it is a very good list. Right.. Brian Covalt is BoshNRoll. he's cool, his blue farm deck is sick.
Tyler's intro scared me the most to be honest.
Do you think mobile throne will make wwinota top tier?
Man that's crazy Winnota, Godo, or Magda isn't on here at all