That's why Volvo and the Mustang Mach E received top ratings from the IHS. The Volvo received an A+ and the Mustang Mach E received an A- because it didn't have the same headlights across all models. That the only reason the Mach E didn't receive an A+. You can check it out for yourself on the IHS channel.
@@MM-ui9rm Elon Musk says Tesla's latest beta self-driving software is ‘not great’ "FSD Beta 9.2 is actually not great imo, but Autopilot/AI team is rallying to improve as fast as possible," Tesla CEO Elon Musk wrote on Twitter. Musk's critical tweet on Monday came just days after he touted Tesla's prowess with autonomous systems and components for them at an event called Tesla AI Day. Musk's critical tweet also follows the launch of a formal investigation into Tesla's Autopilot system by federal vehicle safety authorities in the US last week.
@@MM-ui9rm I'm waiting on your comment to shut you down. Your lord and savior himself Elon admitted that Tesla's autonomous driving has flaws and it's not that good.
Ben seemed a lot more comfortable this episode, he seems to be fitting in more and appears more relaxed and into the flow. I liked how he took lead on the episode instead of waiting for Sandys every command. Good job Ben! ^w^
I would also love that Sandy would just stand on the side and just do intro and outro…. And the keep quiet while Ben does his thing. Him always interrupting is so freaking annoying
I've really appreciated your Mach-E teardown videos. As a non-engineer, it is interesting learning about what goes into design an electric car. Thank you and great job!
That was probably the result of collision simulations. Scalloping the edge is stronger and potentially has more consistent strength. It allows stretching metal to spread the force over more of the spot weld, in part by reducing the leverage of a straight edge, reducing the peak stress. They didn't do it elsewhere because the cost saving of using a straight edge was more important than increased strength and very slightly decreased weight.
@@1djbecker i agree on you. it must be a crash energy absorbing concern here，while Japanese cars like to scallop edges to reduce weight，and they do it on every single edges they could
I have some experience in textile, square stamps are harder to make than round stamps. What’s surprising is that they are using stamping rather than multilayer knifing.
I would have liked to see a comparison between the weight of the BIW of the Mach E and the Model 3 or Y. When the crashworthiness tests come out, you could check structural efficiency.
I think Tesla took the lead on crash safety looking at the testing results and this is Fords Electric car response. A good attempt in steel by Ford but I think it would be unfair on Ford to compare it with the model 3 or Y . Especially against a gigapressed Chassis …
I checked the weight of a LR model Y, and it's 4415 pounds. The weight of the heaviest Mach-E is 4890 pounds! Structural efficiency is an interesting term, I would like to see this as well.
keep in mind IIHS is soon launching side impact 2.0. it’s going to be very aggressive. car makers will need to change the side structures particularly the doors. early findings are that side doors are being penetrated too easily and too much (with the new tests) however with the pillars being fairly strong.
Sandy it was really interesting to learn where the term "Body in White" or BIW came from. But you forgot to mention what it actually is! That it's the fully welded/glued/riveted body or unibody before anything gets bolted to it. :-)
"You could tie the Queen Mary with that thing!" It might not be the most weight efficient, buit it seems Ford at least did not cheap out on NVH and Crash stability on that hting, which I think is good.
fun fact Honda and Volvo were some of the first to do “shotgun” tie ins around 2012ish. Honda with its ACE structure and volvo as well. early thinkers.
Sandy didn't seem to like the "shark fin" for the rear seat. I guess that it has this dimension in order to support luggage load in a front crash load case and/or fulfill the luggage retention regulation ECE R17.
@@mjcamp01 All OEM:s don't have the same internal requirements. Some might have req. which exceeds those of rating and/or legal requirements regarding crash, so it depends. The shark fin might be too bulky, but it's not necessarily so.
So, aside for some missed opportunities for weight savings, the body-in-white looks pretty good. It is purpose-built for a BEV, Ford didn't just rip off an ICEV body-in-white and make a few changes to it. Credit where credit is due!
Not really. Weight is BEVs worst enemy. It’s poorly designed in the most important aspect of an EV. They basically just tried to make it work. Had to add more safety features since it was too heavy which made it even heavier. Clearly, Ford has no idea how to build electric vehicles and how to ensures all teams are coordinated to reduce weight and complexity. Every engineer know building complex things is easy. Simplifying is the real challenge and that exactly where Ford failed to deliver.
@@markplott4820 It's too heavy. But the first Model 3 body-in-white was too heavy, too. Way too many parts and too much welding. For a first stab at a BEV, Ford didn't do badly at all on the body-in-white. Just shave some weight and it's competitive. Tesla is *still* working on ways to reduce the weight of its vehicles. It's a work in progress. It's the HVAC, electrical wiring, software and fasteners where Ford lags badly. Meh, encapsulating Ford's tech lag can't be done in a sentence, but that's my too-brief stab at it.
@@Urgelt - the difference is, TESLA after the 2018 model 3 teardown, in 3 months went to only a 3 part casting, reducing weight, parts, welds and fastener. and the Model Y , improving even further, with Single rear casting, that NO other OEM uses, to build a BEV.
@@markplott4820 That is kinda sorta my point. Tesla came out with an overweight Model 3 with too many parts, then got right to work to improve it. That's still ongoing, but they've made a lot of progress. Ford came out with an overweight Mach-E with too many parts + energy inefficiencies in the HVAC and electrical systems. So what's the plan? I won't count Ford as dead until it files its bankruptcy paperwork. Until then, I am hoping that they will lean into BEVs hard and get the improvements they will need to have a shot at surviving this disruption. 'Cause if they don't, they won't.
I stopped into my local Ford dealer to look at one of these Mach E’s they had on display. I was surprised how small the door openings were and how high the step in over the door sills was. Overall, I felt “cramped” inside because of the door opening width and the head banger low upper door jam height. Now I see why. This thing is built like a literal tank! It will be interesting to see how these hold up in real world crashes and if they get repaired or scrapped due to what it will take to repair them.
A modern Car which went into such a Crash needs to replace a lot. Btw.: ruclips.net/video/AO5UVaHGGRw/видео.html here are the Videos of the IIHS Crash, afaik it had 2 Problems: Some Basic Headlamps were not perfect and some Access Problems after the Crash, but still above average in both points. For the repair part, my Ex-Girlfriend crashed a Skoda (VW) into the main traffic bollard with the main Batterie for the whole Chain and it seemed not to bad, but we had to replace a lot of the frontal Section to get it passed the 2 year inspection here in Germany. Crumble Zones are like Crash Helmets, after the first accident they need to be replaced. The same on my Mondeo (Fusion in US) when a car crashed into my rear, they had to cut off all of the crumble elements and mount new ones. But the White Body was protected and everything straight.
Love to see your comment on Elon's 5 steps of engineering 1 - Make the requirements less dumb. 2 - Delete the part or process 3 - Simplify or Optimize the part or process 4 - Accelerate cycle time 5 - Automate He said this in one of Tim dodd video
👍🤗THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR HELPING US GROW IN KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING 💡😎 I had to chuckle when Ben referred to the Taurus as a big car …since we drove a 79 TOWN CAR thru most of the 80s😉 And we keep tipping the the cashiers and enjoy the smiles 😊😍😍😍
Promoting a tipping culture outside of restaurants is an error. Here we expect employers to pay a fair living wage, and polite efficient service from trained people to be the norm if they want our business.
No , it is not strong enough for any serious naval tow operations. I did notice that there was only the one anchor point of that type on the structure. So it must restrain all back seats and passengers that could be as much as 800 pounds multiplied whatever the g-force is. That is a serious amount of stress.
Great job Ben. You seem to be getting more comfortable.. no question you know your stuff, love your analysis! Sandy, try not to interrupt... Ben knows his stuff and will swing it back to you. Thanks for the BIW explanation.. I was about to look up the history when you started with it.
Sandy, nobody can replace you! I hope you stick around. Your crew is solid, but every vid shows that you are the wizard! Had a mechanical engineering prof like you...no BS, hold yourself accountable for your design decisions. He also is an expert witness and has roasted many engineers for basically not saying "I don't know". Thanks!
2:01 When comparing the total weight between different vehicles, it would have been interesting to compare the weight of the body alone. If not available, just substracting the weight of the ICE motor and gear box for the Taurus and F 150 to have a better idea compare to the Mach-E 800 kg / 880 lbs.
Megacasting replaces almost none of the components they talked about today. It ties into the tusk and shotgun but is specifically dealing with suspension and drivetrain and things underneath. The rear megacasting includes a cross beam that would be directly behind the rear seat bracket. But it doesnt really go up into the quarter panels.
This vehicle was likely computer modeled using finite element technology and all loads and stresses evaluated under various loading conditions… the days of too much metal are usually seen in the rear view mirror. If something looks too beefy (e.g. shark fin), you likely haven’t considered all the design load conditions and/or criteria. Regarding NVH, I removed the rear fiberglass ‘belly’ cover to install a Torklift trailer hitch… while off for few days and I was quite surprised about how effective it was for reducing motor/gear whine. Kudos to the Ford NVH team for their outstanding job on the MME!
Interesting the amount of effort invested to protect the large-footprint flat batteries vs what was needed for a moulded fuel tank located well inboard of the perimeter.
Enjoyed this video. Looks like a strong albeit heavy base to protect occupants and power source. There are again opportunities for Ford engineers to reduce weight and other improvements. Hopefully lessons that they will implement in Mach IIe.
I hate to be a Tesla fan, but the relative complexity of the Ford approach compared to massive front and rear castings, the structural battery pack, and an all glass roof is notable. Piece count anybody? Thanks for the detailed explanation in any event.
Thanks, kids! I got my MunroLive bumper sticker and am proudly displaying it! I saw on Transport Evolved that there's a company making trailers with a battery pack in the trailer so that it doesn't drag from the towing vehicle. I wish Munro Live would have a sit-down-and-engineer session and talk about how a self-propelled trailer could work and the potential benefits of self-propulsion, self-braking, adding range to the towing electric vehicle, adding solar panels, and how that could all work as a unit.... maybe THAT's how we get to a 1000 mile BEV...?
@@luisdetomaso2224 The Model3 has a roof strength rating of 20,835 pounds. Source: www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan/2021#roof-strength
How does the BIW weight compare to a similar vehicle such as Model Y? Would you consider it overbuilt for what it needs to achieve top safety ratings? Just curious if this is a representative of efficient engineering, or just slapping on lots of weight to make it a tank.
Model Y is already built to 6 star ⭐ crash rating, IF there were ever such a thing. I Doubt any LEGACY OEM could build a 6 star 🌟 car , even if they wanted to.
Tesla has many advantages over legacy OEMs, but saying a legacy OEM couldn't achieve a fictitious safety rating is a stretch. Mach-e aced every crash worthiness test in IIHS testing. www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/ford/mustang-mach-e-4-door-suv/2021.
Ignore Mark, almost everything he writes is nonsense. Y may weigh less because of the aluminum castings and Tesla has a decade of experience designing for BEV crash safety. I suspect Ford may be going slightly overboard with their first modern BEV. But thats a good thing. Better than half-arsing it to save a few bucks and ending up with a Bolt.
@@markplott4820 ROFL I'll take that bet! Given that as of July 21 Tesla was still losing $900 on average per unit shipped, and only was in the black due to crypto trading and carbon credits markets - AKA they're a decade in, with "wunderkin" manufacturing and STILL can't make money on the thing they make, and given that Ford and GM will be turning a profit on their EVs far before Tesla does, and Ford in particular is already in the black, was in the black and will remain in the black (the only manufacturer that didn't take a bail out) then I would bet you good money Tesla goes tits up before Ford - or even GM - does. (if they had to live on their product making money, which isn't true for Tesla, it lives off cultists and billionaires and currency schemes).
Mustang Mach E IIHS results (Tesla Model 3 numbers are in parentheses) : roof strength 6.21 (5.85), Small Overlap crash Driver head HIC 80 (88), Small Overlap Passenger Side: passenger 85 (54), driver 62 (66). Moderate overlap driver HIC 125 (177), Side crash: Driver Head HIC 140 (237), rear Passenger Head HIC 34 (78)
Ford have done a nice job on the Mach-e in general but the big question has been for a while what's the profit margin if it's makeing 20 percent great but if it's a loss leader not so good.
On this Mach E and as well on the Teslas there seems not to be very professional pvc seam sealing on these BIW. You can see this manually applied seams on the dash panels as well on the wheel arches in the back. Robitic applied seams are standart on german cars and it is needed for rough winters and rust protection.
How is the body in white weight compared to the Telsa Model 3? While I am hearing a lot of how it is much heavier then an ICE, it would be helpful compared to IIHS Top Safety Pick and is high efficiency in power usage.
Thank you for what you do. No other channel like this! I have more appreciation for Ford chassis. More robust than Tesla, IMHO. Castings have no damping and fracture. Also considering this is their 1st iteration. I'm sure more weight savings coming.
Guy - Tesla has special Armor Glass Laminate, it's stronger than a conventional metal roof and can withstand Multiple female Elephant stacked on top. other LEGACY OEM , not so much.
10:55 And that, boys and girls, is why the VW battery has those structural enhancements inside: with the (structural) battery disassembled from the underbody you are not allowed to enter the vehicle anymore.
they are going to make great cop cars for state troopers. I can see these doing pit maneuvers on just about anything on the road less a semi truck. ok, i want a mad max remake done with all the EV on the market today,lol
Great job Ben! You look so much more comfortable in front of the camera now. Thanks for taking the time to teach us
I'm getting a much deeper appreciation for how cars are engineered. That's a lot of stuff in there for crash safety. Thanks Ben, Sandy, and team!
First car engineered for crash safety!
That's why Volvo and the Mustang Mach E received top ratings from the IHS. The Volvo received an A+ and the Mustang Mach E received an A- because it didn't have the same headlights across all models. That the only reason the Mach E didn't receive an A+.
You can check it out for yourself on the IHS channel.
@@MM-ui9rm The more the merrier
@@MM-ui9rm Elon Musk says Tesla's latest beta self-driving software is ‘not great’
"FSD Beta 9.2 is actually not great imo, but Autopilot/AI team is rallying to improve as fast as possible," Tesla CEO Elon Musk wrote on Twitter.
Musk's critical tweet on Monday came just days after he touted Tesla's prowess with autonomous systems and components for them at an event called Tesla AI Day.
Musk's critical tweet also follows the launch of a formal investigation into Tesla's Autopilot system by federal vehicle safety authorities in the US last week.
@@MM-ui9rm I'm waiting on your comment to shut you down. Your lord and savior himself Elon admitted that Tesla's autonomous driving has flaws and it's not that good.
Ben seemed a lot more comfortable this episode, he seems to be fitting in more and appears more relaxed and into the flow. I liked how he took lead on the episode instead of waiting for Sandys every command. Good job Ben! ^w^
I would also love that Sandy would just stand on the side and just do intro and outro…. And the keep quiet while Ben does his thing. Him always interrupting is so freaking annoying
Soon he'll have his own radio show on which he won't play any music and just yap away cracking jokes :)
@@Cloxxki what jokes ????
He is very knowledgeable. That company is awesome. Such interesting content
I've really appreciated your Mach-E teardown videos. As a non-engineer, it is interesting learning about what goes into design an electric car. Thank you and great job!
13:05 Congratulations to the Ford engineer who used scalloping in the front seat mounts!
That was probably the result of collision simulations. Scalloping the edge is stronger and potentially has more consistent strength. It allows stretching metal to spread the force over more of the spot weld, in part by reducing the leverage of a straight edge, reducing the peak stress.
They didn't do it elsewhere because the cost saving of using a straight edge was more important than increased strength and very slightly decreased weight.
@@1djbecker Very interesting! Thank you.
@@1djbecker it amazes me the amount of tiny engineering details that goes into these vehicles
@@1djbecker i agree on you. it must be a crash energy absorbing concern here，while Japanese cars like to scallop edges to reduce weight，and they do it on every single edges they could
I have some experience in textile, square stamps are harder to make than round stamps. What’s surprising is that they are using stamping rather than multilayer knifing.
Always a good day when Sandy puts out a video 👍
Enjoy!
Indeed
Ye!
Converting metric to pounds is easy. Double it and add 10%. e.g. 30kg, x2 = 60, +10% = 66lbs.
Right! I remember 1 kg=2.2 pounds.
I always doubled to get a rough estimate
I would have liked to see a comparison between the weight of the BIW of the Mach E and the Model 3 or Y. When the crashworthiness tests come out, you could check structural efficiency.
I think Tesla took the lead on crash safety looking at the testing results and this is Fords Electric car response. A good attempt in steel by Ford but I think it would be unfair on Ford to compare it with the model 3 or Y . Especially against a gigapressed Chassis …
I checked the weight of a LR model Y, and it's 4415 pounds. The weight of the heaviest Mach-E is 4890 pounds! Structural efficiency is an interesting term, I would like to see this as well.
Can’t wait for the PLAID!!!!
My body is ready!
Don't hold your breath..
Me too. Then we will see some real innovation and quality materials...not just a load of stamped sh*t metal.
keep in mind IIHS is soon launching side impact 2.0. it’s going to be very aggressive. car makers will need to change the side structures particularly the doors. early findings are that side doors are being penetrated too easily and too much (with the new tests) however with the pillars being fairly strong.
Love learning how cars are engineered.
Sandy it was really interesting to learn where the term "Body in White" or BIW came from. But you forgot to mention what it actually is! That it's the fully welded/glued/riveted body or unibody before anything gets bolted to it. :-)
"You could tie the Queen Mary with that thing!"
It might not be the most weight efficient, buit it seems Ford at least did not cheap out on NVH and Crash stability on that hting, which I think is good.
Tow.
fun fact Honda and Volvo were some of the first to do “shotgun” tie ins around 2012ish. Honda with its ACE structure and volvo as well. early thinkers.
2012 is not anything near early for those ideas
I enjoy Sandy’s use of technicality correct terms such as “dumb dumb”-- that is how I “engineer “ in my garage at home
Sandy didn't seem to like the "shark fin" for the rear seat. I guess that it has this dimension in order to support luggage load in a front crash load case and/or fulfill the luggage retention regulation ECE R17.
@David No I don't work at Ford , but I have worked with crash issues for other OEM:s in Europe for more than 20 years.
@@flyfishing_and_hiking I got the impression others manage it with a much smaller fin though, after all, it's not the size, but what you do with it
@@mjcamp01 All OEM:s don't have the same internal requirements. Some might have req. which exceeds those of rating and/or legal requirements regarding crash, so it depends. The shark fin might be too bulky, but it's not necessarily so.
So, aside for some missed opportunities for weight savings, the body-in-white looks pretty good. It is purpose-built for a BEV, Ford didn't just rip off an ICEV body-in-white and make a few changes to it.
Credit where credit is due!
True, it's definitely not a Mustang body or a SUV Truck body.
but, it's still less Advanced than Tesla.
Not really. Weight is BEVs worst enemy. It’s poorly designed in the most important aspect of an EV. They basically just tried to make it work. Had to add more safety features since it was too heavy which made it even heavier. Clearly, Ford has no idea how to build electric vehicles and how to ensures all teams are coordinated to reduce weight and complexity. Every engineer know building complex things is easy. Simplifying is the real challenge and that exactly where Ford failed to deliver.
@@markplott4820 It's too heavy. But the first Model 3 body-in-white was too heavy, too. Way too many parts and too much welding. For a first stab at a BEV, Ford didn't do badly at all on the body-in-white. Just shave some weight and it's competitive.
Tesla is *still* working on ways to reduce the weight of its vehicles. It's a work in progress.
It's the HVAC, electrical wiring, software and fasteners where Ford lags badly.
Meh, encapsulating Ford's tech lag can't be done in a sentence, but that's my too-brief stab at it.
@@Urgelt - the difference is, TESLA after the 2018 model 3 teardown, in 3 months went to only a 3 part casting, reducing weight, parts, welds and fastener.
and the Model Y , improving even further, with Single rear casting, that NO other OEM uses, to build a BEV.
@@markplott4820 That is kinda sorta my point. Tesla came out with an overweight Model 3 with too many parts, then got right to work to improve it. That's still ongoing, but they've made a lot of progress.
Ford came out with an overweight Mach-E with too many parts + energy inefficiencies in the HVAC and electrical systems. So what's the plan?
I won't count Ford as dead until it files its bankruptcy paperwork. Until then, I am hoping that they will lean into BEVs hard and get the improvements they will need to have a shot at surviving this disruption.
'Cause if they don't, they won't.
Have a Mach-e GT on order for my wife. This video made me very happy given everything they did for strength and safety.
I stopped into my local Ford dealer to look at one of these Mach E’s they had on display. I was surprised how small the door openings were and how high the step in over the door sills was. Overall, I felt “cramped” inside because of the door opening width and the head banger low upper door jam height. Now I see why. This thing is built like a literal tank! It will be interesting to see how these hold up in real world crashes and if they get repaired or scrapped due to what it will take to repair them.
A modern Car which went into such a Crash needs to replace a lot. Btw.: ruclips.net/video/AO5UVaHGGRw/видео.html here are the Videos of the IIHS Crash, afaik it had 2 Problems: Some Basic Headlamps were not perfect and some Access Problems after the Crash, but still above average in both points.
For the repair part, my Ex-Girlfriend crashed a Skoda (VW) into the main traffic bollard with the main Batterie for the whole Chain and it seemed not to bad, but we had to replace a lot of the frontal Section to get it passed the 2 year inspection here in Germany. Crumble Zones are like Crash Helmets, after the first accident they need to be replaced. The same on my Mondeo (Fusion in US) when a car crashed into my rear, they had to cut off all of the crumble elements and mount new ones. But the White Body was protected and everything straight.
Always love history told by Mr.Munro 😁
Love to see your comment on Elon's 5 steps of engineering
1 - Make the requirements less dumb.
2 - Delete the part or process
3 - Simplify or Optimize the part or process
4 - Accelerate cycle time
5 - Automate
He said this in one of Tim dodd video
Surprised that Sandy didn't complain about the tiny extra windows behind the C pillars. They don't look very useful and surely add weight and expense.
👍🤗THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR HELPING US GROW IN KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING 💡😎
I had to chuckle when Ben referred to the Taurus as a big car …since we drove a 79 TOWN CAR thru most of the 80s😉
And we keep tipping the the cashiers and enjoy the smiles 😊😍😍😍
Promoting a tipping culture outside of restaurants is an error. Here we expect employers to pay a fair living wage, and polite efficient service from trained people to be the norm if they want our business.
The cashiers probably has the lowest income
@@casperhansen826 Tipping's a poor solution.
Sandy: I will let Ben do all the talking.
Sandy 30 seconds later: maybe not :D
Just stay with conversation guys. Great insights!
Ben and Sandy - Another great informative video. I feel like engineering schools should make Munro Live mandatory viewing.
Sandy - you are providing an engineering education that one can't get anywhere else! Thank you!
"You can definitely tow the Queen Mary with that thing." 😂
Great PR stunt opportunity for Ford right there, courtesy of the one and only Sandy Munro.
No , it is not strong enough for any serious naval tow operations.
I did notice that there was only the one anchor point of that type on the structure. So it must restrain all back seats and passengers that could be as much as 800 pounds multiplied whatever the g-force is. That is a serious amount of stress.
Great job Ben. You seem to be getting more comfortable.. no question you know your stuff, love your analysis! Sandy, try not to interrupt... Ben knows his stuff and will swing it back to you. Thanks for the BIW explanation.. I was about to look up the history when you started with it.
Superb presentation Ben - thanks!
12:42 he is talking about the Anti-Flutter glue and standard to apply on all vehicles with a roof panel
Sandy, nobody can replace you! I hope you stick around. Your crew is solid, but every vid shows that you are the wizard! Had a mechanical engineering prof like you...no BS, hold yourself accountable for your design decisions. He also is an expert witness and has roasted many engineers for basically not saying "I don't know". Thanks!
2:01 When comparing the total weight between different vehicles, it would have been interesting to compare the weight of the body alone.
If not available, just substracting the weight of the ICE motor and gear box for the Taurus and F 150 to have a better idea compare to the Mach-E 800 kg / 880 lbs.
No silly music and a lot of talk on point - keep that coming!
I'm learning a lot about car manufacturing. Sandy can always suggest a better way to do almost every engineering decision.
How are the roof loads handled when the Pano roof is optioned? Are the roof rails replaced with another load path?
I’m tagging this question. Hope they answer that question as most of us have the Panoramic sunroof
Or they could make a front and rear mega casting. 🤔ii heard of someone else doing that currently.
Megacasting replaces almost none of the components they talked about today. It ties into the tusk and shotgun but is specifically dealing with suspension and drivetrain and things underneath. The rear megacasting includes a cross beam that would be directly behind the rear seat bracket. But it doesnt really go up into the quarter panels.
Ben is talking at medium speed, steady and calm. Well done.
thank you Sandy and Ben
This vehicle was likely computer modeled using finite element technology and all loads and stresses evaluated under various loading conditions… the days of too much metal are usually seen in the rear view mirror. If something looks too beefy (e.g. shark fin), you likely haven’t considered all the design load conditions and/or criteria.
Regarding NVH, I removed the rear fiberglass ‘belly’ cover to install a Torklift trailer hitch… while off for few days and I was quite surprised about how effective it was for reducing motor/gear whine.
Kudos to the Ford NVH team for their outstanding job on the MME!
Ben in his casual presentation.... Sandy "oh wow look at these roofrails" 😂😂🙈 look at ben's face 😅😂👌
Great job Ben!
Best show on RUclips.
And Tesla is just planning; one cast, two cast, battery, click click click, done?
Thanks for taking the time to do this. Fascinating to see something outside my own industry. Every day can be a school day. Much appreciated.
Curious how BIW weight compares to Model Y BIW
Yes tell us sandy.
Interesting the amount of effort invested to protect the large-footprint flat batteries vs what was needed for a moulded fuel tank located well inboard of the perimeter.
I like Ben, he reminds me of Norm from old school “This Old House” episodes :)
Safety first, always wear these : safety glasses
@@lsauve lol
Enjoyed this video. Looks like a strong albeit heavy base to protect occupants and power source. There are again opportunities for Ford engineers to reduce weight and other improvements. Hopefully lessons that they will implement in Mach IIe.
I hate to be a Tesla fan, but the relative complexity of the Ford approach compared to massive front and rear castings, the structural battery pack, and an all glass roof is notable. Piece count anybody? Thanks for the detailed explanation in any event.
Glad you dropped the pointless few bars of intro music and just jumped straight in this time. And thanks as ever for another informative video.
I really wasn’t interested in unibody designs till now, thanks Ben & Sandy
Love it!
This kind of video is catnip for engineering nerds like myself.
Totally appreciate the breakdown and visuals! ❤❤❤
spotted my first one on the road in the UK just a few days ago. well in a car park . .does look good
Thanks, kids! I got my MunroLive bumper sticker and am proudly displaying it! I saw on Transport Evolved that there's a company making trailers with a battery pack in the trailer so that it doesn't drag from the towing vehicle. I wish Munro Live would have a sit-down-and-engineer session and talk about how a self-propelled trailer could work and the potential benefits of self-propulsion, self-braking, adding range to the towing electric vehicle, adding solar panels, and how that could all work as a unit.... maybe THAT's how we get to a 1000 mile BEV...?
1000mile bev? Maybe. A trailer that costs $30,000 instead of $10,000 definitely.
BYD blade battery is structural and uses Li Iron Phosphate. They do a nail puncture test and the batteries don't go into thermal runaway.
Great job by Ben and his team on the teardown. Would be interested to know how that BIW weight compares to the Tesla Model Y? Thanks.
Model Y is 1000 lb less weight, but stronger.
the Y roof alone can support several Mach-e stacked on top
@@markplott4820 Right, I'm sure the Tesla roof can support 13,500 pounds. Your comment is pure genius
@@markplott4820 the Model Y is 400 lbs lighter than the heaviest configuration of the Mach-E. The rest of your comment is nonsense.
@@luisdetomaso2224 The Model3 has a roof strength rating of 20,835 pounds.
Source: www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan/2021#roof-strength
@@rabidsquirrel22ben - Muck-e is a GARBAGE 🗑️ car. and FUD motors doesn't even break even on it.
Thank you!
I'm wondering what the results will be of the EuroNCAP crash-tests. They have (at this moment) the most strict tests.
Nice, thanks for sharing. Good team member you have there too
Unibody absorbs crashes better vs cab on frame trucks. Rigid frames transfer energy to passenger compatibility.
HUGELY beneficial and interesting. Thanks for taking the time to show the world the magic of the engineering process.
I'm a simple man. I see Sandy I click.
Way to click!
thoughts on the rear inner Y-structures - contributing to torsional stiffness?
How does the BIW weight compare to a similar vehicle such as Model Y? Would you consider it overbuilt for what it needs to achieve top safety ratings? Just curious if this is a representative of efficient engineering, or just slapping on lots of weight to make it a tank.
Model Y is already built to 6 star ⭐ crash rating, IF there were ever such a thing.
I Doubt any LEGACY OEM could build a 6 star 🌟 car , even if they wanted to.
Tesla has many advantages over legacy OEMs, but saying a legacy OEM couldn't achieve a fictitious safety rating is a stretch. Mach-e aced every crash worthiness test in IIHS testing.
www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/ford/mustang-mach-e-4-door-suv/2021.
Ignore Mark, almost everything he writes is nonsense. Y may weigh less because of the aluminum castings and Tesla has a decade of experience designing for BEV crash safety. I suspect Ford may be going slightly overboard with their first modern BEV. But thats a good thing. Better than half-arsing it to save a few bucks and ending up with a Bolt.
@@patreekotime4578 - go ahead and ignore me , and watch as FORD and gm go bankrupt in the next 4 years.
@@markplott4820 ROFL I'll take that bet! Given that as of July 21 Tesla was still losing $900 on average per unit shipped, and only was in the black due to crypto trading and carbon credits markets - AKA they're a decade in, with "wunderkin" manufacturing and STILL can't make money on the thing they make, and given that Ford and GM will be turning a profit on their EVs far before Tesla does, and Ford in particular is already in the black, was in the black and will remain in the black (the only manufacturer that didn't take a bail out) then I would bet you good money Tesla goes tits up before Ford - or even GM - does. (if they had to live on their product making money, which isn't true for Tesla, it lives off cultists and billionaires and currency schemes).
Mustang Mach E IIHS results (Tesla Model 3 numbers are in parentheses) : roof strength 6.21 (5.85), Small Overlap crash Driver head HIC 80 (88), Small Overlap Passenger Side: passenger 85 (54), driver 62 (66). Moderate overlap driver HIC 125 (177), Side crash: Driver Head HIC 140 (237), rear Passenger Head HIC 34 (78)
Ford have done a nice job on the Mach-e in general but the big question has been for a while what's the profit margin if it's makeing 20 percent great but if it's a loss leader not so good.
@Munro Live▪ ??
How does the weight of the Mach-E BIW compare to a similar ICE vehicle, like the Taurus? The total weight was compared but not the BIW.
How much does the model Y body in white weigh , for comparison.
The person doing the seat mounts must have been too afraid to tell the others they were doing it wrong.
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Talk to tesla about the booster seats in the Model Y
On this Mach E and as well on the Teslas there seems not to be very professional pvc seam sealing on these BIW. You can see this manually applied seams on the dash panels as well on the wheel arches in the back.
Robitic applied seams are standart on german cars and it is needed for rough winters and rust protection.
Thanks team, nice work.
Need an entire episode on the NVH of the vehicles
Good job guys. I really enjoyed it. Thank you.
How is the body in white weight compared to the Telsa Model 3? While I am hearing a lot of how it is much heavier then an ICE, it would be helpful compared to IIHS Top Safety Pick and is high efficiency in power usage.
It's like an armoured car, apart from the one dude who did his scalloping.
This body is amazingly clean. I would have thought there would be residue all over from the glue used to stick down the carpet, soundproofing, etc.
Thanks a lot for this review guys. Very informative!
Can you do a summary video that adds up what you think it cost to build the vehicle?
7:05, “they do origami” 🤣
Wish there was some comments on how this compares to the Model Y (now and future 2pc casting frame w/structural pack )
Great to hear you talking in proper metric engineering units :D
engineers made a run to home depot to improve NVH on mach-e
The same place your mother used to work cleaning bathrooms.
Thank you for what you do. No other channel like this! I have more appreciation for Ford chassis. More robust than Tesla, IMHO. Castings have no damping and fracture. Also considering this is their 1st iteration. I'm sure more weight savings coming.
Well that's all reassuring. Thanks for the mosey round, looks substantial.
So much knowledge for free! Thank you guys so much ...if only Jack Rickard was around to witness this
What is the frame weight difference between mach-e and modelY? Is aluminum alloy better than steel for frame material?
Bang up job! 🤣🤣🤣 Nearly spit my coffee again!!!
Now that we have seen what a casting looks like, a body in white build the old way looks so complex and even weird...
I'd like to see comparisons with Model Y and id4 as far as weight, complexity, etc.
Could you guys cover the underbody and battery pack interface?
Very informative !!!!
Great job and all very interesting.
What’s high strength steel exactly.
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Thank you
You're welcome
With Ford adding multiple beams in the roof for rollover protection how do other manufacturers get away with all glass roofs in their BEVs?
With a large and heavy battery so low in a car; it's darn near impossible to roll them.
Guy - Tesla has special Armor Glass Laminate, it's stronger than a conventional metal roof and can withstand Multiple female Elephant stacked on top.
other LEGACY OEM , not so much.
@@terrysullivan1992 - FALSE, the Muck-e has so much body roll when driving, it would be EZ to flip a MUCK- e.
This particular car is a Select, it and the GT have the metal roof, other trim levels PanoGlass.
10:55 And that, boys and girls, is why the VW battery has those structural enhancements inside: with the (structural) battery disassembled from the underbody you are not allowed to enter the vehicle anymore.
they are going to make great cop cars for state troopers. I can see these doing pit maneuvers on just about anything on the road less a semi truck.
ok, i want a mad max remake done with all the EV on the market today,lol
They're gonna have to compete with the Cyber Truck Police Car concept though.
How does the BIW compare with the plaid BIW (they are similar total weights)
Gresst job Ben, great episode I learned alot.
How does it compare to a Tesla weight wise?
If you've ever felt insignificant, just look at those c-pillar windows