Who Would Win: (Wano) Zoro & Law vs. Big Mom - HEATED DEBATE!
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Lawrence, Lionel and Sebastian engaged in a heated debate with a fan who asked whether Captain Kidd should be replaced by Zoro to fight Big Mom in One Piece. The conversation eventually escalated and became quite intense. We hope you enjoy this passionate discussion about the greatness of One Piece!
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I stand by Shanks made everyone downplay Kid's greatness forever lol. He basically apolgized to Kendrick, it's cooked
IDK man. if i were charging up a cannon blast like that & i had the power to fly i wouldnt have been doing it 10ft above the water when one of the scariest MFs alive is in front of me
Agenda piece got to the community to the point where losing a fight can negate what a character has previously done. I have seen discussions on whether Kid could beat Doffy and people saying that he is just straight up weaker than characters like Sanji and Zoro. This litrally makes no sense to me since we saw Sanji upgrade against the same opponent that a severely nerfed Big Mum bullied. In the same arc we then see a soul amped Big Mum lift an entire building to dodge a Kid Corna Dio but to this day people claim that Kid wasn't even capable of hurting her.
It's just readers comprehension skills
Greatness? 😂
The Kidd and Big Mom disrespect in this channel is outstanding and hilarious 😭
It’s ridiculous they think Kidd doesn’t use any haki ever lmfao
Just because a fist isn't black, doesn't mean it doesn't use haki
@@newportspapi7174he used observation not armament, haki hasn’t been invisible since haki got revealed
@@tonyscaletty8705 yea it does unless they say they’re using it
@@ClarkeMichaelDuncan Kizaru has been touched by Luffy multiple times in egghead with no black coloring. Oda doesn’t shade haki every time. You have to use context clues. If he confirms a character has armament and observation you should assume they’re using it in serious battles, because why wouldn’t they be??
the guys on this channel argue like they’re not even listening to each other and just waiting on their chance to say their “gotcha” fact lmaoo
My point still stands it’s always Kid downplay to strengthen agendas 🤷🏻♂️
Not really down playing but even kaido said it when he was fighting luffy not matter how strong you are if you don't have haki you can't match up in the new world
@@SleepyButTiredthe point of kaido saying that "only haki can triumph over all" is that he was literally being proven wrong by luffy using his devil fruit awakening to take him out.
@@worthyedge9307 the devil fruit allows Luffy to fight as a better weapon but in the end it has to be a big fist with all his Haki and will to finish it off
@@TuNguyen-hm4fqthat's still proving kaido wrong, luffy already had the haki to defeat kaido for several chapters he just didn't have the stats to overwhelm kaido which he achieves with his DF
@@worthyedge9307not really shanks is just a haki user and he can slaps kaido so kaido still right shanks didn’t needed any devil fruit to become a yonko
I literally watched this debate in the livestream and came back to watch it again just because I love the editing so much in these videos💀
Kidds “ray gun” is lowkey powerful it made shanks use a named attack for the first time in the series cause he knew it was legit
He saw it was legit
He saw it could take down fodder. Not so much it was strong if it came towards shanks ship I won’t be suprised he would deflect it without too much struggle
@@tunnelvision7906 he warned Beckman not to fight him, knowing his bounty wasn't just for show. Kid is a 1st yc lol minimum
@@sergesmpoungui8546😂😂😂😂😂 why are you capping ? This is the funniest lie I’ve ever seen
@@sergesmpoungui8546you mean the same guy who took his arm? Sure. Im not saying he isn't about it, but he just doesn't use his skills in the right the moments he needs to
Saying Kid wasn't using haki is straight ridiculous.
Doffy didn't get any colouring on his string for most of Dressrosa yet was using haki on his strings as it was literally stated.
Brooke's sword bounced off her skin and a gear 4 punch couldn't scratch her. Jimbe literally did a Vagabond Drill which is supposed to bypass durability on Big Mum's weakest version to date and she didn't get a scratch. Quen with a full beats transformation haki attack plus the power of Jump couldn't scratch her skin yet people want to say that Kid's scrap metal attacks can make her soul amped body bleed and break without any haki.
Fr, not to mention Law and Kids attacks attack in different ways
Law is more damaging internally
Kidd is pretty much the opposite.
Even so its a bloody Yonko, its already apparent their durability is insane.
Kidd was able to ring out Hera with his devil fruit. Big Mom couldn't fly up cause Law silenced her but Kidd also trapped her way to fly back up. I dunno if Zoro is dealing with Hera the same way that Kidd did, Zoro is stronger than Kidd but Big Mom is also stronger than Zoro so it's kinda irrelevant that Zoro is stronger than Kidd. In my own opinion Kidd lucked out and his fruit countered hera. Yeah Zoro has foxfire style but he has to sit there and keep slicing Prometheus while Kidd can just trap Hera in a metal trap like he did and go and keep attacking Big Mom while Hera is trapped, while Zoro has to keep attacking Prometheus with his foxfire style to do the same thing, he can't make some kind of foxfire box and put Prometheus in it and leave it like Kidd can do to Hera with the metal boxes. Also Law did not take as much damage as Kidd did, in terms of WoW or something Kidd was the Tank of the fight and Law was the DPS. Kidd couldn't output as much damage as Law but Law couldn't take as much damage as Kidd either and if Kidd wasn't taking those attacks, well we saw what Doffy did to Law forget Big Mom landing the attacks on Law that she was landing on Kidd
People sleeping on Kidd. Dude is a tank and was the one breaking big mom's bones. He just didn't have the strength to put her down completely, so he needed law to deal damage internally which made up the difference. Now, zoro/law would still be a difficult fight for big mom because Zoro is durable too and can actually hurt big mom permanently. If the fight ended quickly, Zoro's external damage + Law's internal damage would wreck big mom. If the fight dragged on, law would die and then Zoro would have an exterme-diff fight on his hands.
1 shot by shanks
@@Cursedtool and? Getting one shot by someone in the top 3 strongest characters doesn't make you weak bro lol
@@Steak_Nachos never said that lol just stated something , great interpretation 🫶🏽
@@Cursedtool then why mention him getting one shotted…lol cmon bro
I don’t understand the Kidd disrespect/hate. Kidd was putting mad offensive pressure on Big Mom, tanking some her most powerful attacks. To say that he easily loses to King is ludicrous.
They forget that he was fighting 1v1 big mom for some times before law came and big mom stated multiple time that was damaging her
Mate you forgot Kings had
Even current luffy in egghead can't damage a seraphim, you think Kidd faired well?
How does Kidd hurt King when Luffy couldn't even hurt a Seraphim? You can't beat King without AP that matches CoC coated Attacks. Kidd doesn't have a single attack that matches that AP right now.
Do yall really think Injured zoro off a Mink senzu bean and battling enma to be able to deal with big moms stronger attacks. Like come on Kid tanked some of Big Mom's strongest shown attacks w/o Armorment Haki apparently.
Law an Zoro together dont have the ability to ring her out an Big Mom has the ability to heal herself.
Are we new to one piece big moms defenses are way to strong so obviously the Person who can skip her external defenses would do more damage.
Also from everything we know of Kid he may be brash and head strong but he is actually a smart fighter an he could figure out Kings tricks and capitalize. I feel Kid has a better chance at beating King than Law an Zoro beating Big Mom.
Kid is not beating king lol
@@Cursedtool law an Zoro aren't beating big mom
Yes they are
@@King_of_Calamities1 Zoro doesn't have the AP or durability of Kidd. He's not doing anything more than what kid did or anything to Blast Big Mom out
not even Law and Kid would have beaten Big Mom without the plot armor
I have no idea why people hate Kid so much, saying Kid is trash makes characters like Zoro and Sanji worse, why not just say Kid is strong and these other characters are just stronger (yonko, admirals)
Because he is such a fraud, talk big and show off but get nothing done ever 💀
People hates him cuz he got one shotted by shanks when the fact the same will happen to zoro and law and sanji if they tried to pick a fight with shanks😂
Agenda piece got to the community to the point where losing a fight can negate what a character has previously done. I have seen discussions on whether Kid could beat Doffy and people saying that he is just straight up weaker than characters like Sanji and Zoro. This litrally makes no sense to me since we saw Sanji upgrade against the same opponent that a severely nerfed Big Mum bullied. In the same arc we then see a soul amped Big Mum lift an entire building to dodge a Kid Corna Dio but to this day people claim that Kid wasn't even capable of hurting her.
It's because he's a wasted conquer if he didn't have conquers haki he wouldn't be held to those stands
@ltsMotion Katakuri and Doflamingo both lost to a comparably weak version of Luffy. Both Conquerors, but Kidds Ls are only against Yonko. The issue is people can't realize that Kidd is always fighting far outside of his weightclass. It's not that he's trash its that his matchups are mismatched
KId hate and downplay is insane
I’ve seen people say Sanji beats kidd.. which is just asinine.
Shanks siphoned any PR kidd had.
Kid would get bullied to death by King
As for Law and Zoro vs Big Mom, Zoro would deal much more damage than Kid but they won't be able to ring her out the same exact way. Maybe they could find another way but it's not certain
Zoro would ask law to use room and teleport like against kaido to get a crazy hit in. Remember she was scared after ONE Enma attack
Oda really glazed that attackt only to do jck sht against kaido and even less against king. Even luccy tanked it with a little armament kn the leg.
Kaido was scared of Zoro's attack that he managed to dodge... Zoro is cutting her down!
ESPECIALLY if he breaks out Ashura!!!
Yimu
They wouldn’t be able to ring her out and they can’t actually defeat her. Hate to say it but kid was a better person for that fight
If we are swapping them does that mean zoro is being put under the effects of Hawkin’s DF to where killer can just kill him and not care? Is Kid going to be hyped up on experimental meds and a %damage increase based on the opponent’s pigmentation? These are the questions that matter here.
In all seriousness, both sides taking Ls here. Idk what Kid is doing to King and you can talk about Zoro’s comparable stamina and durability but he would be fighting like a glass cannon here because his only options for doing anything meaningful against big mom hinder both greatly.
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Wow you guys really hate kid here, but regardless he takes down king and he most likely will kill him because he's that kind of pirate kid's AP is good he literally crush big Mom and her arm broke only after Kid attacks after Law. Kid just lacks the ability to do internal damage and he had a chance to learn this with luffy in prisoner mines
That really isn't the problem. The entirety of Big Mom vs Kid and Law is for Kid to stall Big Mom out long enough for Law to find an opening and attack her with a move that can damage and stun her. Kid afterwards does his best big moves to damage her enough from the inside. Kid doesn't have a Law that will set him up to do his moves. It's a 1v1 against King who is arguably more durable than Kaido. Kid's only chance is to do the same attacks that were damaging Big Mom. Do enough of those and he could defeat King since he hasn't shown any crazy endurance feats against his fight with Zoro. The question now though is that how the hell is he gonna attack King? Only chance he could have is if King gets cocky and let's him get one attack on him so he can use his awakening to attach King on a structure but that ain't a guarantee. Kid doesn't have the speed to catch King with the necessary attacks to damage him which will be Kid's struggle the whole match. He has no Law to back him up which puts him at a severe disadvantage. He is not taking down King.
They All Are Arguing And Larry Just Chilling
People dont realize that the reason law and kid didn't try to defeat big mom is because they didn't have any moves like zoro and luffy to do significant damage on big mom long term
Bro said zoro 😂
@emaboya1237 Well, the only people who actually caused big mom and kaido to worry about their attacks were zoro and luffy
Nah you can't exclude law from that. That's super disingenuous. Law literally outputed more significant damage than zoro the whole arc. Zoro got one scar on kaido. while law impaled big mom fried her insides snd she even attributed breaking her arm to him. You'd have to go above and beyond to downplay law like that
@user-ml7vg8nt7l well it makes sense that law would kinda do more damage since zoro tanked a combination attack from both kaido and big mom to save law/kid/luffy
@user-ml7vg8nt7l he was out for a minute however the only two people that caused both big mom and kaido to worry was when luffy knocked down kaido with one attack
The Kidd and Big Mom disrespect on this channel is crazy. They’d never have me on, I’d set ‘em straight 🤧
I gotta agree with the fact that post times skit anytime we see Haki being used there is either an aura or changing color on the extremity
14:08 🧎🏽but to be fair, King stated his durability trumps Kaido and Big mom
Facts so much so that that the new seraphim have his durability
Maaan, I think it’s difficult to compare “regular attacks” to Conquerors Haki.
If we exclude Haki, I think Kid’s AP is higher than Zoro.
But does AP become higher when you use Conquerors? Or does it just bypass defence completely? (Or maybe both?)
If it’s just AP, I think Zoro + Law can’t defeat Big Mom. If it bypasses defence, then I think they have a chance. But I still don’t think it’s enough to damage her too much.
I can’t see Kid defeating King though… without strong Haki I can’t see how kid deals with his defence
That's like saying if we exclude haki whitebeard is stronger than Roger
im sayin 😂😂 bro fr said excluding haki like anyone at this level gonna fight seriously while not using it 😂😂
Plus zoro isn't the type to try to push big mom out he would go for kill shots the entire fight weakening big mom with law for that eventual win
Im gonna call in next week dog 😂someone gotta stand up for Kidd and Big Mom
Haki can’t be used invisibly, the reason haki is referred to as invisible armor is because non haki users can’t see it, the only time haki was depicted as invisible was before the time skip when it was being hinted at, afterwards it’s always been shown as black and now black lightning,
The only time haki is shown invisible is when luffy went gear 5, but that’s cuz it’s censored, he can’t be fully black calling him nika
Do you legitimately think Kidd broke big mom’s arm without armament haki?
@@newportspapi7174 yes lmao he rammed her with a giant metal bull after law already damaged her
@@newportspapi7174 yes dude😭 bro rammed her with a giant metal bull after she got a shockwave sent throughout her body, why you think they had to jump her?
Haki has been shown invisibly post time skip cause it’s we know that’s why big mom is so durable. When her guards down she can’t even kneel without bruising her knees, but then suddenly even without any black coating she’s one of the most durable characters in the series. When oda wants to emphasize her haki usage he adds the coating and lightning
@@rjtrappedout6275You think Kid took Fulgora straight though Onigashima, Mama Raid, multiple Ikoku Sovereignty and Misery with straight durability? And Trafalgar Law did the same?
People forget that Zoro is a super nova just like Kidd and Luffy. Zoro is the only one in the series who is said that he could have his own crew based on his strength alone. Zoro parallels Luffy as well. To even think that Zoro could not stand up to Big Mom is Ludacris, and if Zoro has Laws help, I don’t see how Zoro and law don’t make big mom fall to the ocean or something. Big Mom warned Kaido about the force of Zoro’s attack and to warn him about Enma. People downplay Zoro way too much. If Kidd fight King or even Big Moms son, he would lose. He doesn’t show that he observation, armament, or even conquerors haki. Zoro has all of that + RYO. Zoro is supposed to fight Mihawk and Mihawk has boxed shanks when they were probably in their primes. Zoro is the first person to fight a Yonko level character pre time skip before anyone and before Luffy. Zoro saved everyone on the rooftop by stalling a combined yonko attack saving Kidd, killer, Luffy, and etc. Zoro has too many feats and opened are bothered by it. He’s going to be the strongest swordsman in the series so give him his credit. To say that Zoro and law could not beat big mom or knock her out is crazy
🙄It’s an L dude. Zoro can’t do nearly enough damage to down BM, even with Law’s amp. You wanking ACOC too much, especially when BM would turn around and do the same to him. Zoro can’t out stamina BM.
Zoros strongest atk couldn't even take kaido off his feet and u think he's gonna knock big mom off the island 🗿
@@MicaW4VEstill Hella potent gave bro a permanent scar
10:04 Kidd used armament haki on the Punk Corna Dio horns😑.
I think we're missing the point a bit in that oda is cooking things the way he sees them. I can think of a million things oda could write in each case which would be cool and appeal to the characters. Zoro x law x big mom with swords for example.
Big Mom was the one who warned Kaido to dodge a single attack from Zoro being afraid it would be dangerous for Kaido to take it on, and later on Zoro had damage Kaido with a conqueror's attack. A defenseless Big Mom taking a slash like that is definitely getting pushed back, if not severely injured by Zoro
kid can utilize armament haki but haki being invisible was generally written out of the series since it caused so much confusion, the fact that no one can point to a single moment where kidd attacked (not just big mom but attacked anyone) with armament haki actively displayed by the animators clearly plays into this idea that bro just doesnt use it for whatever reason. Kidd disrespect exists because bro was introduced as luffys direct rival during the saobody arch and since then luffy has outperformed everyone in his perceived class (supernovas) while Kidd has fallen behind so massively to the point that people question whether bro even deserves the 3 bill bounty. The fact that there is an actual discussion about whether Kidd deserves that bounty in the first place should be reason enough to understand that bro is lacking period
Def win
Zoro PRE ACOC was damaging Kaido
ASURA + KOH is Hella crazy
Especially if Law weakens her Defences Like he did with Kidd
That’s what I’m thinking did everyone forget what he did to kaido had big mom SCARED
@@SoL-222-For a moment, it’s not like she wants Kaido to be hurt.
@@czar17_28 my point if he can hurt the most durable person in one piece that fell off SKYISLAND I think he can damage big mom. Plus he TANKED INDRA combined attack from kaido and big mom
@@SoL-222- that Indra attack is weaker than hybrid kaidos thunder bagou 😂
Does Big mom stop enma attack? Can it jus be a cut like kaido took it?
Koh zoro Asura likely one taps big mom…
@@CodemanDBZNot in any world
@@CodemanDBZ Zorotard
@@CodemanDBZ Zorotard
@@d.7203 nah, law weakens then zoro comes in and slashes in half.
Law and kid were in awe at zoros power before he unlocked Koh… big mom was scared too.
An Asura would get the job done
Man they down play Big Mom real bad and Kid. I like Zorro but there's nothing he can do the Big Mom. Big mom is a bad matchup for him at that time even with Laws help. The main thing people keep forgetting it's not a one-on-one with just Big Mom. People keep forgetting her homies. So with Big Mom it will be four on two. He can do something to Prometheus because he has the fire Foxfire style. What is he going to do against Big Mom's Sword and Hera? It was already established haki of any type does not work on them. Also if Zora went into that fight he would have been fighting with Enma because he hasn't mastered it yet. There hasn't been one time they shown any attack breaking Big Mom's skin. Also I think everyone's also forget Big Mom was pinned down from the combination of Law Sword and Kids asign meaning she was magnetized. Meaning his sword was a magnetized also keeping her down when he stuck it inside of her. How is Law and Zorro going to keep her stuck to the ground? If they cut the floor out from under her. She can fly on Hera, she can fly on Prometheus, .Her sword float. The only reason it couldn't save her it was magnetized to her. Look at the facts Law and Kid was the best matchup for her. With Law and Kid they have a way of taking care of Big Mom and her homies. Law and Zorro are close range fighters. The only thing he has long range is his lashes and the homies can block that. Well not Prometheus I'm pretty sure Zorro would do the technique with the slashes.
Watching this on my break
Zoro and law would smoke big mom she told kido dodge why ?
Did the 1 dude really say kid doesn't know how to use armament? Does he think he can't beat a logia?
This comment section is convinced that if Oda doesn’t shade you all black like Vergo you’re not using armament.
He doesn't have armament he has conq yes he can beat a logia not if dat logia has conq 😅
Evidence for him having it?
@@jasperking442 who are u talking to?
@@jasperking442 Check the wiki it says Kidd uses all 3 types of haki. This info is also in his vivre card The story explicitly says you can’t survive in the new world without haki. You’re not tanking big mom named attacks without armament haki.
Even lower tier supernova are said to have Armament haki. An example of one using armament without black shading is Apoo. In Ch. 1032 Apoo is hit by a CP0 agent and falls, he gets up immediately after. Drake says “You’re still alive?” and Apoo says “I can use armament haki dumbass”.
Oda can have a character use armament without black shading. If Kidd didn’t use armament to defend against Big Mom he wouldn’t be alive.
Seb needs to remember when Zoro sent a flying slash at Kaido on the roof top, Big Mom herself told Kaido to dodge it cause it would do lasting damage.
Kidd is a better matchup for Big Mom because hes a remote DF user. Law can transport in and out of range so both of them were able to pick her apart. Zoro even with flying slashes would mostly have to get up close to damage her.
17:00 agree with Lawrence’s points here I am a big believer in zoro playing with his opponents which is why some last longer than others
All haki is visible post timeskip. Ods made it look like black coating to show this. Kid never used haki against big mom (can't think of a scene showing him using it). Thinking about it, its kinda odd that he didn't 🤔
Sanji vs Judge. No haki is shown, Judge says he’s surprised Sanji can use Haki. Also when a character fights a logia Haki isn’t shown on every punch when we know it is needed.
Kidd is not weak! Unlike Kaido and the old Hag, Shanks took him seriously and used a much more powerful attack to prevent Kidd from KILLING HIS FLEET. Also, King is NOT INDESTRUCTIBLE even with his "flame-on" mode. Zoro pointed out the cap when he noticed King blocking despite being on his flames. It's more likely that it would take more power to damage King, which I think Kidd and Law can do since they did it to Big Mom.
Another scary thing is, Big Mom NEVER WENT ALL OUT vs Kidd and Law. She literally underestimated them to the end. She never used ACoC strikes on them, she only used ONE year of her life to fight them implying she could still get stronger, their combined attacks only pissed her off when both are already in the verge of death, only to be saved by the bomb. No thanks to Law's strategy, her homies were nullified.
This is true. Except for the part where kidd is not weak.
Would it be a lot easier for zoro to just cut the floor when law has big mom pinned down it would be a easier ring out than what kid and law had,.
He’s cutting through Onigashima? Through all the floors that contain all the other combatants including their comrades? 😅
@@greywarden5513 I mean law made a hole he just have to cut through the part that she was holding on
@@darklazer6553 Law made a hole using his technique so it was controlled and precise. Zoro has very little if any Stabbing techniques especially any that would have the sustained power the Shock Willie has.
Ashura + King Of Hell Zoro is Oden Level..
Zoro can be Oden Level for few Seconds only, as long as Ashura Lasts..
Oden isn't stronger than Full Power Big Mom. Oden can't do what full power Big Mom can do.
But Oden still Wins .. Can is close to Big Mom but not stronger. Oden's AP is more than Big Mom but Big Mom is overall Stronger..
Oden wins because he is a swordsman, Oden can just cut Big Mom.. Oden is faster, has Better Haki, and better AP... Oden's AP is greater than Big Mom's Durability..
Ashura + King of Hell Zoro should be relative to Oden. But Zoro can voluntarily activate Ashura and Ashura's Time limit is on another level compared to Gear 5 ..
If Zoro activates Ashura + KOH than it's Over for Big Mom..
She is slower than Zoro and Zoro as AP to put down Big Mom..
She will fight more seriously against Zoro and Law than Kid and Law... Without Ashura Big Mom is more likely to win as Law and Big Mom didn't actually Knock Her Out ..
Bro really thinks Kidd doesn't have haki?! He has conqueror's haki! He's an awakened df user who's been challenging yonkos and helped defeat one. Why would he not have armament haki which most side characters have at this point lol
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I recall Big Mom scared of an attack by Zoro warning kaido to dodge.
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The better question is, does zoro have the same durability as kidd... cuz he don't.. he's a glass canon fighting against big mom, especially when he's on a time limit.
A glass cannon wouldn't be able to take a conquest of the sea and then get back up with 30 broken bones then clash with a hybrid kaido
His endurance is crazy tho
Kidd couldn't take a single acoc hit 🤡
Zoro and law took many
The question is "can big mom land hits on law and Zoro"
@@ashokjadoun7384when did law take a conqueror’s attack ?
@@cowboys4life636 thunder bagua from kaido
Law and Zorro lose… Zorro was hurt badly, and if he got hit like Kidd was during that fight he dies.
Bro can't wait for bigmom to appear as final boss in elbaff the yall people will know she is almost kaido level😊
I remember a specific scene where Kaido and Big Mom jump to them. While Kaido was beating Luffy up, Big Mom just one shot Zoro, Kid and Killer, and then Law right after (since he dodged the first attack). They were all down
Zoro definitely puttin in more work than Kidd did that’s for sure
Zoro putting in more work than law too though. Law and kid have the same strength and thus played the same role, they both excel at manipulating the battlefield and combatant locations and mobility, and so when they worked together they could ring out big mom. If one of them was replaced with zoro either one would simply be playing support
Right like how is this even a discussion
If the same situation happens, Big Mom wins. But if it's a different scenario all entirely, Law and Zoro could win. Like, does Zoro still have that personal time limit?
Kidd and King, though. King wins. Unless Kidd can assign and quickly make a Damned Punk to fire, he isn't hitting King. No scrap melee attacks will hit, the cordio isn't hitting, the Punk Rotten. King has like 5 different ways to easily cut the scrap from a distance.
I'm not saying it's an easy fight for King, nor am i saying King has his flame always on. But we don't know how Kidd deals with speedy characters. We've only seen him fight fodder or bruisers (except with Shanks). And Kidd obviously attacks slowly. King isn't just like Big Mom or Kaido. He aint going to continue to stand there and take hits just to flex. He'll do it once, maybe twice for the self explosion.
If Kidd was able to grab and man handle Kaido, why couldn’t he grab and man handle King? Cutting Kidd’s constructs are pointless when he can simply reconstruct them especially since King isn’t nearly as deadly with a sword as BM is. Kidd has shown a variety of pinning/restraining moves and has the physical strength to do so as well. King gets choked out and Kidd is lightly singed.
@greywarden5513 Kidd was only grab Kaido when Kaido was already knocked around. I'm not saying he can't do that to King, but what would that do? And if you think that Kidd can react fast enough to grab a flames off King, then you are reaching. Guy couldn't even dodge a yonko telegraph attack.
Don't even try to say that grab hurt Kaido either. Kidd attacks are slow and big. King, who is a mixture of being very fast and tanky, would be very hard for Kidd to deal with. Kaido and Big Mom literally stood there and took attacks from the worst generation repeatedly, especially Kaido. King only did that once to trigger his explosion. And what's to stop King from exploding if Kidd grabs him?
Yeah, big mom did destroy them, and King could do it just as well. King's beak attack, his df slice attacks, his flaming sword, etc. Kidd takes the time to make his bull, King pulls his head back, and now it's destroyed.
And King's dragon flame would incinerate any of Kid's constructions, and Kidd can't cut or do anything to King's flame.
@@felwinterpeak1674 Kidd grappling King is effective, we’ve seen Marco put hands on him and it restrained him. Beating Alber to death is a legitimate way forward🤷♀️ Kidd’s attacks are “Big and Slow” when he can afford it, you think he’s going to take the time to make a large construct against a free moving opponent? For one, what does it matter if King Explodes? It won’t do more damage then Big Mom’s lightening or the Elbaf Spear. And why would Kidd need to be close to King when he can freely control his mech arms from a distance🤔
There is a marked difference between Alber’s attacks and BM’s attacks, Alber can cut, he could potentially even melt if he was going all out, what does that matter to Kidd? He can simply reconstitute the material🤷♀️ BM was effective because she atomized it, it ceased to exsist so there was nothing to recombined. King’s Flame Dragon is way slower than Kidd’s rail gun and considering that lack of movement Alber has when doing his dragon attack, I don’t think it would end well for him.
@greywarden5513 I'm not going to keep going back and forth because you are not saying anything new that I don't already know or that someone has already stated before.
There's a reason why many people believe that Kidd can't beat 1st commanders. The majority of them are somewhat fast to extremely fast. So unless Kidd developed adv observation haki or a strong observation haki to clearly see where they are going to be, he is not grabbing any first commander. Yeah, Marco restrained King for a bit, but did it do anything in the long run? He wasn't hurting King. Say Kidd grabs King. He throws him to the ground or whatever. Is that really going to hurt a lunarian with flames on or an ancient zoan? Getting tossed/slammed. Really think dude, do you really think Kidd, with his slow grabbing hands, is going to grab King while flying or on the ground? That he will sit there and let him do that.
I do think Kidd can land attacks and his assign, but it's not going to be enough to deal with King.
Ones a haki attack and the other an explosion. Zoro stated that he would have killed (or something close to it) if the explosion hit him. Meanwhile, the combine haki from Kaido and Big Mom attack only damaged Zoro severely. Chapter 1033. You see how big that explosion is too.
If that doesn't tell the difference, then how about this, for example. Would you more likely get killed from an Akainu magma punch direct hit or a Shanks divine departure? Haki is end all be all, but some abilities do more dmg (or are more useful) than haki attacks. There's a reason why Kaido spammed Boro breath as much as he did. Or Doffy reliant on the doll maker df.
But I'll say this, it's shown in the manga that King's dragon was able to summon much quicker than Kidd having to summon and construct railgun and then fire. Literally, King's summons the dragon in a short amount of time. Meanwhile, Kidd is like gone for like 4 to 6 pages while law is shocking big mom.
How about this friend. Tell me a likely scenario that can happen between these two. And remember, King does dodge attacks if need be. He's not Kaido or big mom who will sit there and take attacks because he can.
I think that Zoro might have trouble putting her down because big mom can handle his slashes the only reason why she lost was because kids attack was constantly beaming her down so she couldn't take it
She lost cuz she couldn't call he homies for help and she was getting pushed down until she left the island
I really don't like Kidd, but at this point in the story...Kidd >>>zoro, it's like comparing Rayleigh or Marco to shiki
I’m normally always on Seb side but I’m on the opposite end of things this time I hole heartedly believe Law and Zoro would get Big Mom outta there a lil quicker than Kidd and Law did 🤷🏽♂️
5:28 Just bc Kidd was a “confirmed” armament haki user, doesn’t mean he’s a good one or an adept one. He may be using the weakest version of it which is the invisible armor. BM is a confirmed ACOC user and we have seen her use it a couple of times in Wano before fighting Law and Kidd. Doesn’t mean she’s good/adept at using it. She didn’t use it at all against them. The difference between her and Kidd though is that we actually have on screen feats of her using ACOC and other types of haki….but only a movie of kid using armament, which should never be taken as cannon.
And I think what bruh in the black is saying is, we already know how vastly different normal haki is from conquerors haki. And Kid with practically no haki was able to help Law get the job done. Imagine having an actual person contributing vastly to the damage Law is already doing to her internally. And again, Zoro already knocked BM off Onigashima BY HIMSELF the first time. Why would he not be able to cut the ground and do it again when he leveled up significantly from the first time he did it?
Is Zoro tanking Hawkins and 1v1ing Big Mom until Law came?
Is Zoro consistently overpowering her on pure strength alone?
Is Zoro able to shatter Big Moms bones? Also please stop the "Laws attack internally weakened her". If you cant say Kid has all forms of haki because it wasnt shown, then show me a panel where Law states that as fact.
Is he tanking Fulgora, mothers misery, mama raid, sovereignty and still getting back up?
The Kid downplay is absolutely devious.
This segment is honestly better than watching a full episode
Kid used HAKI but his HAKI is dogshit but i am going to say this, the power scaling in Wano went out of the window. Kaido said that Haki rules the world and here we see Law, Kid and Big Mom using just their devil fruits. Neither of them are as proficient with Haki like Kaido, Luffy and Zoro are. Maybe the reason they don't use Haki is because it drains them too much and we know that they want to keep their stamina in order to utilize their broken Devil Fruits. In my opinion Oda should have gave Kid Advanced Conqueror's Haki and Law should have his awakening and defeating her cleanly not that stupid plot hole defeat.
Zoro had big mom scared when he was attacking kaido and she told him to dodge or he was going to get hurt so if he can make kaido have to dodge then he could hurt big mom bad let’s be real
Nah the Spongebob clip for Kidd has me dying😂😂
Zoro not knocking her into the hole like damned punk
He can either cut the ground underneath her or cut a hole through her
@@beasmode18 no way he can make a hole deep enough and your out of your mind if you think he’s cutting a hole in bigmom
He don’t need to they’ll just do enough damage. Do nobody remember Zoro scared big mom when he attacked kaido she told him to dodge that’s how strong one attack from ENMA was 💀
@@SoL-222- vegeta had to warn Nappa to avoid the distucto disc. Does that mean vegetas scared of krillan or that krillan can defeat nappa? No it doesn’t and we all know zoro can’t off big mom your just glazing your favorite character.
@@Toxicpunk01 vegeta told him to avoid it why? Cause if it hit him it would probably kill him or leave him severely injured that simple
If big mom and kaido is in the same level ( oda confirmed ) zoro could cut kaido souuu he could cut big mom
Can cut and can beat are NOT the same thing. Zoro and Law have no chance against Big Mom.
This man spitting, listen to the message!
Doffy literally toyed with Law, a month before the big mom fight😂
Law would be Todo clapping Zoro at every blind side of Big mom as he diced her up like a blender... He was capable of tanking one of Kaido's strongest attacks, & Had the Damage output to make Kaido fear for his life when he dodged him...
Its not gonna be a one hit Kill, but zoro has more than enough power to deal with Big mom... & she's not gonna be dropping him within the time the battle takes... he doesnt need to ring her out, hes going for blood, and hes going to get it... Adding in shock Wile into the equation just makes the fight even more disrespectful!
Like we can talk about how its disrespectful on Kidd or BM to say it makes the fight easier.... but Oda has disrespected Kidd & BM more than anyone here has.... they didnt earn the titles they retain
Did bro just say kid loses to king 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
For the first time I agree with my man’s Sebastian 👏🏾 he had valid points the whole way through. When big mom was punching law you saw her haki but kid was never shown to use it ever.
Among Kidd and Zoro , both have shown superb endurance. They took a lot of damage from both Kaido and Big Mom. Kidd didn't have sophisticated and precise attacks. He only has brute force which he used to tussle with Big mom. Zoro has multiple precision based attacks but only 2-3 strong enough attacks to hurt Big mom. If we replace Kidd with Zoro , I think the outcome will be different, they will damage big mom more but will still be beaten by big mom. The battle between Kidd law and Big mom ended situationally with bombs and magma.
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If Zoro was able to leave a permanent scar of Kaido, how do you think Zoro can't put good damage to Big mom
Honestly Big Mom didn't show herself to be able to re-attach limb(granted no one has cut a limb off) so Zoro is the character to cut thru the uncuttable like in alabasta. So taking a arm using haki while distracted might be enough to force a retreat by her. Now saying that Big Mom is stronger than BB.
Lawrence cooked em dont care
Zoro performs against BigMom 10X better than Kidd
idk how someone reads King and Law vs BM and thinks that Swapping Zoro for Kidd results in a "worse" result
Zoro is literally a way deadlier version of Kidd😭
When the fight started and they were fighting both upstairs. Big Mom screamed to Kaido to move when Zoro striked with Enma. Big mom and Kiado acknowledged that him with that sword was nothing to play with. If Law hat Big Mom paralyzed Zoro would differently cut her bad! Law would have a completely different Gameplan if fighting with Zoro. Law was plan changing in the spot. They would win in a different way.
You know how Kid hit Big Mom with his rail gun while she was completely defenseless after getting guard broken by Law? At first it just tickled her, so he had to double pump it and fire another shot just to push her half an inch into the giant hole Law created?
You know how Zoro almost hit Kaido with his flying Dragon Blaze, which was so strong it had Big Mom panicking and scared for Kaido's life?
Swap Kid with Zoro, and Zoro kills Big Mom in that same situation every time. While Kaido easily tanks the Damned Punk.
He opened a old scar he didn't make a new one smh
It's not the power that got big mom its the abilities. I think he's forgetting that
Seb i fuxks wit u bro 😅but u trippen zoro replacing kid . Kid dies vs king and they still win against big mom. It dont need to be a kinda defeat where she ends up out of bounds but certain death is more likely if big mom faces law n Zoro. The facts are all there.
I think that zoro linked up with law would have been sick, if it’s just down to the force rather than the AP, surely zoro’s attack could knock her down into the whole too, even if she blocked the attack then surely the force behind it would be the same if not stronger than Kid. I suppose the question lies with would Kid be able to beat Zoro? If Zoro beats Kid then it’s only right to believe that his attack would carry at least the same amount of force.
Is law dodging zoro attack while his pinning BM attack 😂
What he fails to understand is that Zoro has now reached a level where the sheer strength of his sword attack would damage Big Mom.
Even without mastering Enma, his sword attacks are powerful enough to injure a Yonko.
I mean he literally cut Kaido's scales. The only other person to do that was Oden. So you can see how his attack could effect Big Mom.
I am not disrespecting Big Mom but the truth is that if Law and Kid can beat Big Mom, then Law and Zoro can beat Big Mom as well .
Law and zoro would have had WAY BETTER synergy. He would be able to spam shambles and make REAL PLAYS… and wouldn’t have to defend kid so he can get off his strong atks. Big mom was also very stationary too them two would be unrelenting it would be two ppl taking simultaneously instead of taking turns…
Lawrence is cooking everyone in this debate
Completely forgetting the fact that Zoro can match Big Mom in a prolonged fight during this moment and was able to do more damage to Kaido than even advanced armament G4 before gaining better mastery of enma. He's stronger than Kidd, has better speed, better AP, better defense, and better endurance.
Interesting, i think Zoro and Law vs Big mom would’ve been easier but u don’t know if Zoro and Sanji could beat big mom.
Zoro against king he was doubting himself which caused Emma to react. That’s how I interpreted it.
I don’t think Law and Zoro beat Big Mom cause you have to damage her internally which we know only Law can do cause he’s DF has awakened. Zoro attacks are too brutal and I don’t know if his attacks can damage Big Mom with his Advanced Conqueror attacks . Oda pairing Law and Kid was the perfect combo for me tbh they compliment each other. I still think Zoro is not yet ready to face off a Yonko imo
Zoro was evidently not taking the fight serious with lucci, When sanji told him he was really needed in an important situation he ended the fight right there and there lol
Basically the argument is can zoro output enough force to knock big mom down. Yes. If Zoro on top of big mom he can definitely put equal or more strength than kid
Larry was so quiet I couldn’t pay attention 😭😭😭😭🤣
Kidd is the only one ever shown to damage Big Mom with external force alone
Yes but only because it was a tag team effort
@@jugo2flyThat doesn’t change a single thing
@czar17_28 it does though if you can only damage with help then your useless without the help while both zoro and law where doing significant damage alone without the help
@@SleepyButTired Except that Law needed help every single time.
Zoro only stood up to Kaido once in terms of inflicting damage.
Zoro needed Law to dodge and attack on the roof other than Ashura and the dual attack with Killer.
Law needed Kid to be a punching bag and distraction literally every single attack he launched. Matter of fact Law hasn’t won a 1v1 since Vergo in the story.
@@czar17_28 I am not saying law could win a 1v1 but law and zoro has been able to do damage to both big mom and kaido consistently throughout the fight while kid needed law to pin big mom down to do anything significant to her which sad to say was just pushing her
Is everyone gonna ignore the fact that that Larry had that fit ON ? That all white fit was fire 🔥 no diddy
It is very clear when Zoro scarred Kaido that he can scar Big Mom. She does not have the same endurance as Kaido.
19:54 after what they said about if Zoro used conquerors coating she’d do the same thing. But lol she would wipe kidd out with conquerors coating if he did that fr 😂
15:01 Kidd used armament haki in ep 1010 against poker
I mean just look at this and disagree if you want to; Law and Kidd, Kidd was helping out Law and Law was the main damage dealer. With Zorro and Law, law would be supporting Zorro but Zorro would be the main. And honestly I didn't even think how much more growth Zorro x Enma will have if facing big mom compared to facing king. No cap Kidd only has a 30% chance of beating king and let's leave it at that