Yes, you can still edit the painting. The Galkyd/Gamsol forms a strong stabile layer to paint on. After you have edited the painting you will have to oil out again like before. All the best with your paintings!
Outstanding - beautiful painting and demonstration. When you say final varnish, which one? I recently tried the Gamvar satin on a painting and it was terrible! Thanks so much.
Thank you very much. Apologies for not answering sooner, I did not see your comment until today 😊 I have had terrible experiences with varnishing too - including with Gamvar, but since I started to oil out with galkyd and gamsol before I apply the Gamvar I got much better results. If the painting has dull areas that might absorb some of the varnish while other areas are shiny the effect might be very uneven. I also had major issues try to use more than one layer of the Gamvar (matte or satin). If I am not happy with the Gamvar varnish I would rather remove it (it is so easy to do) and try again. When using other brands like the spray on satin from Golden Products in the past I was able to respray some of the dull areas and it worked fine. I did the varnishing spray outside with a proper mask and the fumes were still overwhelming, I could feel that it was going to give me health issues in future so I switched to Gamvar - it is not perfect but with time I am learning to get the results that I want
I think the decision to use retouch varnish depends on an individual’s workflow. I don’t think that using Galkyd and Gamsol is better than using a retouch varnish, I just use it for a slightly different purpose. After I have completed my painting I oil out with Gamsol and Galkyd and then apply the Gamvar varnish once the Gamsol/Galkyd layer is dry. My painting is now covered by a permanent layer of varnish. After this my painting is ready to go to a new home - I will often never see the painting again. If I used a retouch varnish at the end of my painting process it will still need a permanent layer of varnish later on, some artists will wait a few months before applying the final permanent varnish - this is not an option for me as some of my paintings end up interstate or overseas shortly after completion. I don’t personally use retouch varnish between my paint layers either, if I need wet layer to paint on I would usually use a thin glaze consisting of Liquin Original and oil paint. This enables me to add colours at the same time while “oiling out” between layers. No painting method is perfect including mine, all of them have pros and cons. To me it is about learning as I go along, always striving to find the workflow that works best for how I work - using multiple thin layers of paint with glazing between some of these layers 😁
I have only used oils all my life - I am not sure! Carla Grace is an artist that uses both oils and acrylics, she would have an answer for you, you can find her on youtube too. Sorry for the delayed response, I took a break from social media for a while…
Hi there. Please could I ask for your advice? I painted on canvas using acrylic and I varnished it months later with Gamvar. It hasn't come out well, it is patchy due to the varied finishes (some smooth areas, some textured, a bit like your reply to saltlifegull on this video). Would you still recommend a mixture of Galkyd and Gamsol as a layer before revarnishing (once I've removed the old varnish with Gamsol) or is that not really recommended due to Galkyd being an oil medium? I want to find the best way to save my special painting, any advice at all is very welcome. Thank you in advance.
Personally I wouldn’t use the Galkyd/Gamsol layer on an acrylic painting. When I use it on my oil paintings I can actually go back and paint again on the Galkyd/Gamsol layer after I have removed the varnish. So if I want to make some adjustments even years later I have the option to do so. I have limited experience with acrylics since I only paint in oils so I am not able to give you an answer from personal experience on how to even out the dull and shiny areas on an acrylic painting. I am sure there would be some kind of medium compatible with acrylic paintings that you would be able to use. Maybe ask an artist like Carla Grace here on youtube - she works with acrylics too. All the best, hope you get an answer soon…
@@christodelportart8258 Thank you SO much for your reply, I'm so grateful to hear from you, it's really kind of you to respond. Thank you for suggesting Carla Grace, I will go over to her channel and see if I can ask for help there. Best wishes and thank you again!
P I did not use galkyd paints so I was wondering if I should still use galkyd lite . The last thing I did was glazing in parts with liquin and oil paint and when I varnished with gamvar these areas were still shiny after. Should I oil out with liquin and gamsol. Thankyou for you advice
When there are areas on your painting that is dull and others shiny from glazing it might still be obvious after varnishing. With the Galkyd/Gamsol layer you can smooth that out and the varnished painting should have an even shine. But if there are very smooth and other rough surfaces on your painting the vey smooth areas might still appear more shiny than the rough areas. I am using the Gamvar Varnishes at this stage and I am happy with them but you will have to try them yourself and see if they are giving you the effect that you want. The best effect as far as even shine I got from the spray on varnish from Golden - I used the satin but the vapours was so strong that I decided to go with Gamvar with the added benefit of being easy to remove in addition to the health benefits of using a less toxic varnish.
Hello! I've just finished my oil painting and very unsure how to varnish so been trying to research if the oiling out before varnishing with gamvar is the best technique. My concern is, considering the "fat over lean rule", is it safe to oil out with the galkyd+gamsol mixture(prior to varnishing) to my painting that mostly used linseed oil as a medium? Thankful for any response!
Since day one of oil painting I have always used some kind of an alkyd medium in all my paintings so whatever I say about your painting that was done using mostly linseed oil will not be from personal experience. If you haven’t used an alkyd medium most references advise that you should wait a few months before varnishing. This is not always the case with Gamvar, so you might be able to varnish sooner. I normally oil out with galkyd+gamsol about a week before I varnish. Have you tried to contact the Gamblin company directly? An artist that have used many different mediums is Andrew Tischler, you will find him on youtube, he might be able to give you an answer from personal experience. All the best - hope you can get a definite answer😁
When we have a painting flat on a table compared to one that is upright on an easel there is a bigger risk of dust settling on the surface especially if the painting is wet. I always try to oil out in a room that is as dust free as possible. The longer the painting is horizontal the bigger the chance of dust accumulating so I put the painting back on an easel within a few minutes after wiping off the excess galkyd. Because the layer is so thin there shouldn’t be any running of the galkyd when placed upright. If there is dust on the surface before I wipe the excess off with a lint free rag I would usually be able to wipe it off then. If there is any dust on the surface after the layer has dried it can often be wiped off with a dry rag if it is only superficially attached. I think the secret is to prevent the problem from happening instead of fixing it afterwards. In the video I just lightly brushed the surface beforehand, sometimes it takes more effort to get the surface prepared before oiling out. It is very important that the rag used is dust free and lint free, this might be a source of contamination if it isn’t. Hope this helps, let me know if you have any more ideas about this, I always love to learn something new too 😁
“Galkyd is used to thin and dry paint. Because it turns white and blue paint yellow, it ruins "virtually all skyscapes," Stuppin claims. If you’re using galkyd lite in oiling out , are the final colours altered
I assume you are referring to Jack Stuppin? I had a look at some of his paintings online, I see he is using a lot of white in his clouds. I assume in his paintings a little bit of discolouration would be a big issue, in my type of paintings it would probably not even be noticeable. There is a lot of different opinions about the yellowing of the oils itself too. Some people feel that poppy oil and safflower oil is less yellowing than linseed oil, then it also depends on how the linseed oil was prepared…in my work I haven’t noticed any difference. You will have to decide for yourself in the end about what would be acceptable to you. It is quite a statement to make that Galkyd ruins virtually all landscapes, I am not convinced that all landscape painters will agree. In my work the final protective layer of galkyd and gamsol actually enhance my colours…
I think I will go with the gamsol and galkyd as you did. But is galkyd lite ok ( compatible ) if you didn’t use galkyd oil paints in your painting, just normal oil paint?
@@chrismarshall8217 To me it is just a matter of gaining as much information as I can and then buy a small bottle of whatever I want to try out and see how it works for me. I would try out new techniques and materials on small paintings that I am not too attached to before using them on my larger paintings
@@chrismarshall8217 The paint that I use is normal oil paint. They mostly consist of linseed oil and the pigments. Like I mentioned I use Liquin from Winsor&Newton to mix with my paint. This forms a very strong bond - I have never had any issues with paint detaching, flaking, cracking etc. If you don’t use an alkyd medium to mix with your paint it becomes a bit more complicated, then you have to use fat over lean techniques but you can still use the galkyd and gamsol layer in the end but you have to make sure that your painting is completely dry/cured and that might take a while (maybe months depending on how you work). Galkyd Lite is fine to use
Hello from France .This is the best demonstration and good explain how to varnish with these products from Gamblin .Bravo .Thank's a lot
Thank you very much Xavier!
Thank you for this!! So helpful
Thank you! Thanks for watching!
Hello! After doing this, am I still able to edit the painting? Thanks for the video!
Yes, you can still edit the painting. The Galkyd/Gamsol forms a strong stabile layer to paint on. After you have edited the painting you will have to oil out again like before. All the best with your paintings!
Outstanding - beautiful painting and demonstration. When you say final varnish, which one? I recently tried the Gamvar satin on a painting and it was terrible! Thanks so much.
Thank you very much. Apologies for not answering sooner, I did not see your comment until today 😊 I have had terrible experiences with varnishing too - including with Gamvar, but since I started to oil out with galkyd and gamsol before I apply the Gamvar I got much better results. If the painting has dull areas that might absorb some of the varnish while other areas are shiny the effect might be very uneven. I also had major issues try to use more than one layer of the Gamvar (matte or satin). If I am not happy with the Gamvar varnish I would rather remove it (it is so easy to do) and try again. When using other brands like the spray on satin from Golden Products in the past I was able to respray some of the dull areas and it worked fine. I did the varnishing spray outside with a proper mask and the fumes were still overwhelming, I could feel that it was going to give me health issues in future so I switched to Gamvar - it is not perfect but with time I am learning to get the results that I want
do you ever use retouch varnish? or is this better? also, do you use the same mixture for general oiling out before a paint session?
I think the decision to use retouch varnish depends on an individual’s workflow. I don’t think that using Galkyd and Gamsol is better than using a retouch varnish, I just use it for a slightly different purpose. After I have completed my painting I oil out with Gamsol and Galkyd and then apply the Gamvar varnish once the Gamsol/Galkyd layer is dry. My painting is now covered by a permanent layer of varnish. After this my painting is ready to go to a new home - I will often never see the painting again. If I used a retouch varnish at the end of my painting process it will still need a permanent layer of varnish later on, some artists will wait a few months before applying the final permanent varnish - this is not an option for me as some of my paintings end up interstate or overseas shortly after completion. I don’t personally use retouch varnish between my paint layers either, if I need wet layer to paint on I would usually use a thin glaze consisting of Liquin Original and oil paint. This enables me to add colours at the same time while “oiling out” between layers. No painting method is perfect including mine, all of them have pros and cons. To me it is about learning as I go along, always striving to find the workflow that works best for how I work - using multiple thin layers of paint with glazing between some of these layers 😁
Do you know if the oiling out process is necessary for acrylics as well?
I have only used oils all my life - I am not sure! Carla Grace is an artist that uses both oils and acrylics, she would have an answer for you, you can find her on youtube too. Sorry for the delayed response, I took a break from social media for a while…
Hi there. Please could I ask for your advice? I painted on canvas using acrylic and I varnished it months later with Gamvar. It hasn't come out well, it is patchy due to the varied finishes (some smooth areas, some textured, a bit like your reply to saltlifegull on this video). Would you still recommend a mixture of Galkyd and Gamsol as a layer before revarnishing (once I've removed the old varnish with Gamsol) or is that not really recommended due to Galkyd being an oil medium? I want to find the best way to save my special painting, any advice at all is very welcome. Thank you in advance.
Personally I wouldn’t use the Galkyd/Gamsol layer on an acrylic painting. When I use it on my oil paintings I can actually go back and paint again on the Galkyd/Gamsol layer after I have removed the varnish. So if I want to make some adjustments even years later I have the option to do so. I have limited experience with acrylics since I only paint in oils so I am not able to give you an answer from personal experience on how to even out the dull and shiny areas on an acrylic painting. I am sure there would be some kind of medium compatible with acrylic paintings that you would be able to use. Maybe ask an artist like Carla Grace here on youtube - she works with acrylics too. All the best, hope you get an answer soon…
@@christodelportart8258 Thank you SO much for your reply, I'm so grateful to hear from you, it's really kind of you to respond. Thank you for suggesting Carla Grace, I will go over to her channel and see if I can ask for help there. Best wishes and thank you again!
P
I did not use galkyd paints so I was wondering if I should still use galkyd lite . The last thing I did was glazing in parts with liquin and oil paint and when I varnished with gamvar these areas were still shiny after. Should I oil out with liquin and gamsol.
Thankyou for you advice
When there are areas on your painting that is dull and others shiny from glazing it might still be obvious after varnishing. With the Galkyd/Gamsol layer you can smooth that out and the varnished painting should have an even shine. But if there are very smooth and other rough surfaces on your painting the vey smooth areas might still appear more shiny than the rough areas. I am using the Gamvar Varnishes at this stage and I am happy with them but you will have to try them yourself and see if they are giving you the effect that you want. The best effect as far as even shine I got from the spray on varnish from Golden - I used the satin but the vapours was so strong that I decided to go with Gamvar with the added benefit of being easy to remove in addition to the health benefits of using a less toxic varnish.
Hello! I've just finished my oil painting and very unsure how to varnish so been trying to research if the oiling out before varnishing with gamvar is the best technique.
My concern is, considering the "fat over lean rule", is it safe to oil out with the galkyd+gamsol mixture(prior to varnishing) to my painting that mostly used linseed oil as a medium?
Thankful for any response!
Since day one of oil painting I have always used some kind of an alkyd medium in all my paintings so whatever I say about your painting that was done using mostly linseed oil will not be from personal experience. If you haven’t used an alkyd medium most references advise that you should wait a few months before varnishing. This is not always the case with Gamvar, so you might be able to varnish sooner. I normally oil out with galkyd+gamsol about a week before I varnish. Have you tried to contact the Gamblin company directly? An artist that have used many different mediums is Andrew Tischler, you will find him on youtube, he might be able to give you an answer from personal experience. All the best - hope you can get a definite answer😁
@@christodelportart8258 oh appreciate the response, thank you very much
What about dust that get stock went it is drying
When we have a painting flat on a table compared to one that is upright on an easel there is a bigger risk of dust settling on the surface especially if the painting is wet. I always try to oil out in a room that is as dust free as possible. The longer the painting is horizontal the bigger the chance of dust accumulating so I put the painting back on an easel within a few minutes after wiping off the excess galkyd. Because the layer is so thin there shouldn’t be any running of the galkyd when placed upright. If there is dust on the surface before I wipe the excess off with a lint free rag I would usually be able to wipe it off then. If there is any dust on the surface after the layer has dried it can often be wiped off with a dry rag if it is only superficially attached. I think the secret is to prevent the problem from happening instead of fixing it afterwards. In the video I just lightly brushed the surface beforehand, sometimes it takes more effort to get the surface prepared before oiling out. It is very important that the rag used is dust free and lint free, this might be a source of contamination if it isn’t. Hope this helps, let me know if you have any more ideas about this, I always love to learn something new too 😁
“Galkyd is used to thin and dry paint. Because it turns white and blue paint yellow, it ruins "virtually all skyscapes," Stuppin claims.
If you’re using galkyd lite in oiling out , are the final colours altered
I assume you are referring to Jack Stuppin? I had a look at some of his paintings online, I see he is using a lot of white in his clouds. I assume in his paintings a little bit of discolouration would be a big issue, in my type of paintings it would probably not even be noticeable. There is a lot of different opinions about the yellowing of the oils itself too. Some people feel that poppy oil and safflower oil is less yellowing than linseed oil, then it also depends on how the linseed oil was prepared…in my work I haven’t noticed any difference. You will have to decide for yourself in the end about what would be acceptable to you. It is quite a statement to make that Galkyd ruins virtually all landscapes, I am not convinced that all landscape painters will agree. In my work the final protective layer of galkyd and gamsol actually enhance my colours…
@@christodelportart8258 thankyou for your advice. I’m still deciding what to use to even out my paintings before varnishing.
Kind regards, Chris
I think I will go with the gamsol and galkyd as you did. But is galkyd lite ok ( compatible ) if you didn’t use galkyd oil paints in your painting, just normal oil paint?
@@chrismarshall8217 To me it is just a matter of gaining as much information as I can and then buy a small bottle of whatever I want to try out and see how it works for me. I would try out new techniques and materials on small paintings that I am not too attached to before using them on my larger paintings
@@chrismarshall8217 The paint that I use is normal oil paint. They mostly consist of linseed oil and the pigments. Like I mentioned I use Liquin from Winsor&Newton to mix with my paint. This forms a very strong bond - I have never had any issues with paint detaching, flaking, cracking etc. If you don’t use an alkyd medium to mix with your paint it becomes a bit more complicated, then you have to use fat over lean techniques but you can still use the galkyd and gamsol layer in the end but you have to make sure that your painting is completely dry/cured and that might take a while (maybe months depending on how you work). Galkyd Lite is fine to use